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Windows 10 Update Broke DHCP, Knocked Users Off the Internet (arstechnica.com)
Microsoft has quietly fixed a software update it released last week, which effectively prevented Windows 10 users from connecting to the Internet or joining a local network. From a report on ArsTechnica: It's unclear exactly which automatic update caused the problem or exactly when it was released -- current (unconfirmed) signs point to KB3201845 released on December 9 -- but whatever it was appeared to break DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol), preventing Windows 10 from automatically acquiring an IP address from the network. There's also little detail on how many people were affected or why, but multiple cases have been confirmed across Europe by many ISPs. A Microsoft spokesperson has meanwhile confirmed that "some customers" had been experiencing "difficulties" getting online, but that's about it for public statements at present. However, a moderator on the company's forums has said the fix was included in a patch released on Tuesday called KB3206632.
Having fun in Satnav's involuntary public beta testing program?
But I couldn't get online.
They should just download a new fix from internet to make it work again. Yawn.
Always on updates................ How do people get the update fixing the update when you've broken their fucking network you dumbasses?
Is there anyone out there that is not yet aware that this is basically one giant beta test?
Yes, me. A beta test means that there is a plan to release a finished product. I see no such plan.
The stability and security of Microsoft products has always been (insert pejorative here), but this is getting really serious. They need to reassemble at least a small portion of the QA team that was flushed.
They've been soundly beaten in every area of innovation they've tried so all that's left is corporate lock-in of Windows and Office. If they continue to risk that monopoly revenue stream shareholders are not going to stand for it.
Captcha: upkeep
I had this same problem with several windows 10 machines, seems like restarting DHCP service (sometimes several times) to make it take an IP address. After that it sometimes work and sometimes fails requiring another service restart
How's that Windows 10 working out for you all? :)
So the patch knocked computers off of the internet.
How are they planning on patching them if they can't access the internet?
What am I missing here?
Help! I'm a slashdot refugee.
I'll just go online and download the patch...ohhh waaaaait.
I run a computer repair company and saw this on 2 customer's computers. The fix was inconsistent too. Some responded to ipconfig commands, some didn't.
Why do you think we tested it on Europe first.
It Cleared out my Statically set Ethernet Connections on my NIC. I was confused that my Router told me I wasn't my static address. Logged into my Router GUI and sure enough there I was floundering with the wrong address. And then like others report, I had to restart my DHCP Service. And as a thing to note, Windows Network Troubleshooting actually worked for the first time, and said your DHCP Service is off and Fixed it. It ACTUALLY fixed it. Maybe this was all a test of their Troubleshooter.
I think I was affected by this. A release/renew fixed it until the next time I booted. I searched for a solution and found a suggestion to turn off fast startup which I did. I haven't seen the problem since then.
Why should they give two shits about producing a high quality product? They can easily claim with marketing that their product *is* "high quality" even if it's not. The only thing that's important is profit, and if idiot customers continue to give them their money, this situation will not change. Microsoft is correct to do a half-ass job on its releases and updates, and let users pay the price in lost productivity and expensive support calls, so that MS can enjoy higher profits.
Windows 10: "It just wor*&3_!#dfr2($ carrier lost
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
This bug affected my windows phone (ya... I know...).
Connected fine after a re-start. Guessing that the problem update tried to patch things without a restart, and their testing protocol missed it.
Yeah, I had my Windows 10 machines go down a few weeks ago for bad WiFi driver updates. Rolling back solved it, and this one I fixed by rolling back also. Sadly, Windows gets network problems more often than ever few decades.
If you meant something else, hey, throw it against the wall.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
I can definitively say Windows 10 is not a Beta test!
No matter what some companies want you to believe, Beta means feature complete with just bug fixing and tweaking left to do.
Microsoft said on release that Windows 10 is not feature complete and they will get us the planned features as they are done.
Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon what's the difference? All steal money from devs and control with walled gardens.
I saw it on 2 different PCs one wireless and one wired, fixed it by removing and reinstalling the NIC
I work at an ISP and we've been dealing with this for 4-6 weeks now. Of course customers tend to blame us why their Windows 10 computer won't connect to the internet, so we have to at least figure out a solution to keep them happy. A quick google brings up a solution where you clear a few caches to fix it. We've walked quite a few computer un-savvy people through the process, so it's not too difficult --just annoying.
If all else fails, add another if.
Step 1. Don't use windows 10.
Step 2. Updated what I found I needed before cumulative updates started.
Step 3. Secured my system and TURNED THE FUCK OFF automated updates.
My PC doesn't crash, it doesn't stop working.
And fix this bug - but they can't! They don't have an IP address!
Religion is what happens when nature strikes and groupthink goes wrong.
I've fighting this my PC for the last few days. I can see my local network and csn ping IP adresses, but I cannot reliably access any other site on the internet. Windows 10 updates are getting to be real pain. Makes me think of switching all my machines to Linux more and more often
Maybe they can still access http://www.trumpet.com.au/inde...
Liberty - Security - Laziness - Pick any two.
Having dumped all MS products when I retired in 2010, and went 100% Linux, I sit back with a bowl of popcorn and laugh my butt off at how badly MS treats those unfortuate souls who *still* use MS products. Kinda reminds one of the "battered wife" syndrome where one spouse is abused by the other, but the abused spouse refuses to leave the relationship because ..reasons.. Believe me if I hadn't already dumped MS products, I sure as hell would NOW, no matter WHAT, after seeing what a "turd_in_the_punchbowl" Win10 is privacy-wise and just plain MS abuse...
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
According to a statement from Virgin Media, the issue affects "anyone who wants to access the Internet from a computer with the downloaded Windows 10 software update, regardless of the ISP."
Phew! I was really concerned that it might only affect AOL users.
We'll make great pets
In admin command prompt:
netsh int ip reset /flushdns
ipconfig
Presto.
You're thinking of RHCP, and it's being used to combat terrorists.
sig: sauer
There are a lot of states where damaging someone's property is a crime and makes you both criminally and civilly liable. Unfortunately all the normal ambulance chasers who would quite rightly file class action lawsuits are scared of the MS legal team and deep pockets. We badly need a software consumers bill of rights to cover all for profit software. In this day and age computers are a mature field where people spend much of their lives. It is about time that the government enact some legislation recognizing this and protecting the citizens from predatory and/or fraudulent software companies. Among those rights:
- Convert all software to be covered by copyright instead of patent law.
- Limit software copyright to 20 years or 5 years after it is no longer for sale or the day and date when it is no longer supported, whichever is first.
- Any software purchased by a consumer is covered by a standard set of rights that parallel ownership of a physical item where applicable or are spelled out in the bill of rights. EULAs are all illegal except between business entities.
- Right of resale is retained by consumer for the physical copy or license key of the purchased software.
- Consumer purchases allow unlimited installs by consumer on equipment they own or use. (Software must be removed from hardware prior to sale/donation).
- Software must function offline unless that functionality requires an online connection.
- Make it illegal for companies to remove functionality previously contained in software/hardware via update, except as a temporary security measure.
- Developers are legally required to provide security and functionality patches to fix bugs and security holes discovered either internally or by security researchers for 5 years minimum after date of final sale without any strings attached. (Failure to do so implies that they intended to defraud the consumer by selling a broken/unfinished/dangerous product and could require refunding all customers and criminal fraud liability.)
- Software updates should not be mandatory unless there is a clear, urgent reason for them to be. If a mandatory update causes the software to become unusable, the company must pay affected users $150/h spent dealing with the problem, cover cost of repairs, pay $60,000/year of lost documents (i.e. if it was 4 weeks since my last backup and all data since that backup is lost, developer is on the hook for $5000), and/or replace affected hardware, the combination of which is based on what it takes to get the system completely restored in a timely fashion.
- Online software licenses/keys/virtual goods and the like have value to the customers who hold them and can be traded/bought/sold/transferred/inherited etc. If a consumer pays actual money either directly or indirectly for a virtual commodity, it can be handled in this way.
- Source code for any and all software and back end servers for sale in the US must be provided to the library of congress in order to enjoy copyright protection. 5 years after that software is no longer for sale or the day that it is no longer supported, LOC should publish source code and the software becomes open domain.
Note this only affects consumer software. Businesses can still do all the licensing and other more flexible arrangements.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
I already answered this: https://slashdot.org/comments.... I'd type more, but my ancient iPad makes it difficult.
Some companies test crucial functionality before publishing updates. Maybe, once they've acquired enough means to do so, the company responsible for this product will too.
No no no... I think he meant distributing a Linux image through PXE...
Oh you n00bs with your 'install Linux' nonsense. If a pre-configured read-only LiveCD can't do what you need then Linux isn't for you.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Dream on.
We could use the Steam naming convention and call it an EA. Those (apparently) don't actually need to reach release, and come with a built in army of rabid fans that disclaim any bug of any severity as 'perfectly fine, it's an EA', even if it persists for years.
... then how do you download the update?
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
most UEFI boards can do in bios updates some even can download and install on there own.
If your customer switches to Linux, how do you remotely manage him? With Windows, you can use LogMeIn. What's the Linux equivalent of that, or do you put all your customers in a VLAN?
It's like climbing out on a tree branch, then turn around sawing it off so that the only way to go is down.
Most if not all consumers use DHCP to get to the internet. If the update broke DHCP, how in the world did they download the fix ?
If you were to switch to IPv6, wouldn't you automatically get rid of this problem? Since DHCP6 is completely different from DHCP, and not a part of the same stack. That way, you can have them set the router to either take DHCP6 or one of Windows 10's privacy extensions
But aren't all Google's applications in eternal beta stage and their only way to end beta-testing is to kill the product.
Bahahaha. Google's applications aren't the product. We are the product.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
If any OS was designed from the start to be multi-user administered remotely, it was Linux considering its Unix legacy. Here's a primer. The short answer: bash shell. The long answer: bash + GNU utilities
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
You're thinking of the RCMP. They always get their man!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
That's a feature, not a bug.
VNC or ssh, dumbass.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
And I'm in Canada.
Thanks to the power of the proprietor, you'll never know the answer to your questions even if Microsoft claims to tell you what happened. Without software freedom, you won't be able to get source code diffs that would let you recompile and verify the binaries Microsoft distributes. One of many reasons only the proprietor can trust their proprietary software.
Digital Citizen
Windows is a malware. Uninstall that asap.
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
Had to assign IP address manually then then once the laptop connected it set it back to auto. Seem to fix it but pretty inconvenient since I had to drive to my parents house to fix it
If you are doing CLI stuff you can have the customer ssh to your box with the port forwarding features and create a reverse telnet for you to access their system.
If you are doing GUI stuff you can have the customer ssh to your box and port forward VNC. VNC can use a non system account for authentication.
When an application owner needs help on a server, I have them run "screen" with -m and have them put my ssh key in their authorized keys file so we can look together at what they are trying to do.
Then how can they get onto the internet to get the fix for the patch to get online?
The simplest fix is to open a command window then type ipconfig /renew . You might have to type it twice but it works for me...every single time I wake my laptop up from hibernation. Every time gets old fast.