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Donald Trump To Tech Leaders: 'No Formal Chain Of Command' Here (cnbc.com)
A confab of tech titans had a "productive" meeting with President-elect Donald Trump at Trump Tower on Wednesday, Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos told CNBC, as Trump moved to mend fences with Silicon Valley before taking office in January. Apple, Alphabet, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, Intel, Oracle, IBM, Cisco and Tesla were among the C-suite executives in attendance, with Apple CEO Tim Cook and Tesla CEO Elon Musk expected to get private briefings, according to transition staff. From the report: "We want you to keep going with the incredible innovation," Trump said. "There's no one like you in the world. ... anything we can do to help this go along, we're going to be there for you. You can call my people, call me -- it makes no difference -- we have no formal chain of command around here." At the meeting, Trump introduced billionaire Wilbur Ross, his Commerce secretary pick, and Goldman Sachs executive Gary Cohn, his choice for director of the National Economic Council. "They're going to do fair trade deals," Trump said. "They're going to make it easier for you to trade across borders, because there are a lot of restrictions, a lot of problems. If you have any ideas on that, that would be great."
At the meeting, Trump introduced billionaire Wilbur Ross, his Commerce secretary pick, and Goldman Sachs executive Gary Cohn, his choice for director of the National Economic Council.
i mean technically if you overfill a swamp with foetid detritus it will eventually matriculate into neighbourhoods, roads, schools, hospitals, and occasionally even an intended estuary or two. lets just give him a chance and see if he works out.
Good people go to bed earlier.
One of the problems tesla faces is not being able to open dealerships across the country. Would it be a good thing is Trump helped that out?
_ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
Trump is going to find out people are not going to "just call the president" because all of those calls get blocked by the switchboard. Trump is going to find out that casual phone calls do not happen as president, his schedule is locked down to the minute. This boiler maker atmosphere that trump seems to enjoy is going to be counter productive in an environment where decisions need to be made and then acted on and revisiting choices wastes time that needs to be used on other decisions coming in the door.
Architectural plans are like computer source code with a couple of differences: You only compile once.
Trump said. "If you have any ideas on that, that would be great."
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When the foot seeks the place of the head, the line is crossed. Know your place. Keep your place. Be a shoe.
This was King Trump and his family getting to know the tech leaders. Tell me why the rest of the Trump royal familty were in the room? He might have said "No formal chain of command." But that was Trump code word for when I say "jump" you say "how high" on the way up.
The next 4 years, or hopefully just 4 months are going to be very interesting.
And yet here you are.
I strongly doubt half of the posters here are pro Trump, one of the shocks has been some prominent usually conservative RWNJ posters lack support for him.
Man I'm so jealous at you Americans. Ever since Trump will most probably be president you live in a fairy-tale paradise! Everything will be better! It's amazing! He's the best president in the world.
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You must be in a bubble of your own. It really is a commonly-shared sentiment. Or, at any rate, was as recently as this summer.
Hardly surprising, given the personal politics of the overwhelming majority of journalists.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
It sounds good. Makes him seem like an every man. And once again we're talking about something meaningless instead of demanding to know what went on at the meeting.
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Why not? There's still people around here blaming Bush...
Well, to the sound bite world we live in, it does sound unreasonable to blame past Presidents for current troubles. Like, why should be blame Lincoln for the getting the US through the Civil War and freeing the slaves? Why do we still blame him after all these years?!
And blaming FDR for leading us through the Depression - even though many of the programs he got through Congress really didn't work. And he dragged his feet into getting us into WWII. And blaming Truman for dropping the A-Bomb on Japan! We still do that!
MAybe - just maybe and bear with me - because it's HISTORY.
And when folks look back on the beginning of the 21st Century, they are going to see that the US went into two horrible wars based on the incompetence of the Bush II Administration. They are going the see the ramifications - like the creation of ISIS. They are going to see a budget shot to shit. They are going to see a financial collapse - that did have it's roots in the Clinton administration but never the less came to frustration with the lax regulatory environment of a Republican controlled government.
And then we'll see how the next President got stuck with the problems and through brinkmanship and obstruction by the Republicans in Congress for all 8 years of his term, he was barely able to get anything done - but blamed him for it - even though they kept on these ridiculous quests and held the government hostage to get rid of the ACA and defund Planned Parenthood over some video that was a lie.
And now that they are back in power? They are going to replace the ACA - OK good - but not get rid of it because now it's "their" idea.
So, I will keep blaming Bush for the stupidity and the utter nonsense we're in - especially the crap in the Middle East. Thanks to Bush, there will NEVER be peace in the Middle East and we the USA are going to have to deal with it for the rest of our existence - and frankly, I think it's contributing to our current downfall.
All I can say is it'll be very interesting to see what happens over the next 4 years. He's basically signaling to every single corporation out there that favors are available for the right price (see Carrier, Ford, etc.) The first thing tech executives are going to ask for is the removal of limits on the H-1B program. This way they can import the workers themselves and not have to go through the body shops to reduce IT and developer salaries. (I think the program is fine and sometimes necessary, but using it to replace a mid- to late-career $100K DBA or sysadmin with a new, mediocre $50K one who won't complain about mandatory unpaid weekend work is not keeping with the spirit of the law.)
No matter how much of an egomaniac I became, I would never want this job. Imagine having to keep hundreds of millions of exceedingly diverse people protected, somewhat happy and balance the diplomatic demands from other countries against your own interests. Seeing Trump's picks for advisors, I wonder how this is going to work out. Yes, Clinton "lost" and I accept that, but I am a little upset that we're getting a real estate huckster, surrounding himself with pro-business buddies, who all seem ready to fire-sale the country to the highest bidder. Hopefully the balance of power will keep some of this in check, but with majorities in both houses he's going to have a very long time with little opposition, and a lot can happen.
The other interesting thing is that he has a lot of very different groups of people who voted him in to satisfy. The religious nuts are going to want abortion bans and fully privatized education, the libertarian/tea party crowd is going to want the government dismantled piece by piece starting with the healthcare law, and all the factory workers are going to want their jobs back. How do you satisfy all of these?
My Latin is rusty, but the sentiment should be clear — the government should stay away from the industry and the markets. Its only legitimate role is to enforce laws and contracts.
Trying to boost certain industries, while a welcome contrast to the previous Administrations' attempts to sabotage some, is just as suspicious and ultimately unfair.
Maybe it is Ok for the State department to champion American companies abroad. Hopefully, Trump is not planning to go beyond the above listed activities and will not, as President, repeat the stunt he pulled with Carrier as President-elect.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
He really is. He said so!
I don't respond to AC's.
Our traffic has been growing since my company acquired Slashdot, regardless of what Alexa says. Also, reporting a direct quote from the President of the United States to tech leaders is not "partisan". Posting NYT revenue stats from the Daily Caller IS. Lastly, we do not do things around here in order to increase traffic. We cover things we think are worth covering. If you're triggered by a direct quote then perhaps you should just scroll past the story.
"We want you to keep going with the incredible innovation," Trump said.
Yeah, I'm sure the the CEOs of Apple, Alphabet, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook, Intel, Oracle, IBM, Cisco and Tesla needed to be told to "keep doing what they're doing."
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
"That played well before the election. Now? We don't care."
Besides, he has to ensure the H-2B program is running smoothly as well, so he can staff Mar-A-Lago.
Someone had to do it.
He didn't rip up the U.S. Constitution. Not yet anyway.
After all, the chief business of the American people is business. They are profoundly concerned with producing, buying, selling, investing and prospering in the world. I am strongly of the opinion that the great majority of people will always find these the moving impulses of our life. Of course, the accumulation of wealth cannot be justified as the chief end of existence, but we are compelled to recognize it as a means to well-nigh every desirable achievement. So long as wealth is made the means and not the end, we need not greatly fear it...But it calls for additional effort to avoid even the appearance of the evil of selfishness. In every worthy profession, of course, there will always be a minority who will appeal to the baser instinct. There always have been, probably always will be, some who will feel that their own temporary interest may be furthered by betraying the interest of others.
--Calvin Coolidge
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Trump didn't even make the list.
http://www.opensecrets.org/org...
Clinton, Hillary (D) Pres $316,977
Rubio, Marco (R-FL) Senate $218,975
Bush, Jeb (R) Pres $203,550
Portman, Rob (R-OH) Senate $87,600
Ayotte, Kelly (R-NH) Senate $74,400
McCarthy, Kevin (R-CA) House $72,800
Bennet, Michael F (D-CO) Senate $64,400
Cruz, Ted (R-TX) Senate $58,240
He may be appointing them, but there's nothing showing he's beholden to them. Certainly not anymore than Sec. Clinton might have been.
The friends of Putin have lost the elections and are spending their hours in the waiting rooms of the therapists dealing with grief.
Here is, what real friendship looks like
Trump? Oh, yes, he wouldn't reveal his tax-returns, so he must be on Putin's payroll. Right...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Shows you how far Dell has fallen when he isn't even invited to the kiddie table.
Consequences of laws once meant to help the "little guy". Regulatory capture. Rent seeking. Corporate welfare.
Those dealership protection laws were put in place to protect the "little guy" from the "big evil corporations". And specifically, to protect dealers with franchise contracts from being put out of business by corporate stores. Even Ford, which is always pulled out as an example of "fairness" whenever "living wage" laws are discussed, was forcing dealers to accept inventory they could not move and other things.
"As this system evolved, though, those dealers who had made large investments became
concerned that they would be at the mercy of their affiliated manufacturer, especially with few
automobile manufacturers to turn to as alternatives. Dealers turned to policymakers about what
they believed were abusive and coercive practices by manufacturers and the regulation of
automobile distribution ensued. Over time, all fifty states passed laws regulating the
relationship between auto manufacturers and dealers." [https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/public_statements/909813/ramirez_-_auto_distribution_workshop_opening_remarks_1-19-16.pdf]
Now the wheel has turned and the media darling big corporation is--currently (no pun intended)--not perceived as "evil" and should be allowed to bypass laws on the books.
It's simple enough. Tesla needs to lobby each state to change its laws to allow direct sales (just like the dealers lobbied for the laws 80 years ago). Or Tesla can enter the market like other car makers and use dealers within the existing framework of laws and regulations.
"...we have no formal chain of command around here."
...says the Commander in Chief.
It's times like this that we should consider military experience as a mandatory prerequisite to holding this position.
Trump has done absolutely nothing to recognize the fact that he will be responsible for wielding a military sword to go along with that corporate pen of his.
Perhaps if he pulled his head out of his biznass long enough, he would realize that.
"I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment - this was the time - when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals."
Lol? He mentioned me in his comment and I responded. I also own the place, not an employee.
Our traffic has been growing since my company acquired Slashdot, regardless of what Alexa says. Also, reporting a direct quote from the President of the United States to tech leaders is not "partisan". Posting NYT revenue stats from the Daily Caller IS. Lastly, we do not do things around here in order to increase traffic. We cover things we think are worth covering. If you're triggered by a direct quote then perhaps you should just scroll past the story.
The choice of quote is meant to reflect negatively on Trump. Had Clinton said any of that, a different quote (or none at all) would have been used.
If you paid attention to CNN over the last year you'll notice that every time they had a picture of Donald Trump it was a raw photo of him - usually taken candidly - that made him look angry or even like he was yelling. Pictures of Clinton were normally either posed or taken when she was relaxed and smiling, and they were heavily photoshopped to make her look literally 20 years younger.
Now, CNN just posted pictures of each of them, right?
Do you have ESP?
If Clinton was President-Elect, and had said this, we would cover it.
Not in a room full of civilians. I no more have to listen to the president than I do the janitor.
I have to agree with Whipslash.
The most visible metric for Slashdot's readership is the "number of comments per story". That certainly doesn't appear to be decreasing. However, I will say that the quality of comments has been slowly decreasing for many years. Don't blame the ACs for that, though - nobody should get a +2 starting bonus for their posts, however good their karma is. Cap the bonus at +1 and let them earn their upmods. Give out a few extra mod points to balance the system out if you have to.
He will be (gasp) commander in chief. The buck stops with him! Who is in charge? Methinks his children are the brains of the operation and he is just tagging along with his mouth and twitter account. scary shit.
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" -- Dr. Strangelove
So Taco and the other editors never used to respond to comments? Oh wait, yes they did.
The "demise of Slashdot" has been declared and/or predicted thousands of times in the comments, and yet here we all are.
"They're going to make it easier for you to trade across borders, because there are a lot of restrictions, a lot of problems. If you have any ideas on that, that would be great."
I thought he was against free trade. It was one of the defining features of his campaign, that he was going to back out of every trade deal going.
This is what I find so alarming.It's the sheer unpredictability of the guy. He's so scatterbrained that he can't even remember what was said a few minutes ago, to say nothing of months ago.
Drill baby drill - on Mars
That's not how this is suppose to work.
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I was pointing out some facts. Carry on.
Ad hominem? I just clarified a few facts.
Can you point out where I ad hominem attacked someone? Also I didn't delete any comments.
Keep up the good work!
As someone whose been around as a lurker from almost the beginning, i would recommend people who don't like the way the site has become take a trip down the way-back machine. Everything old is new again. The articles have always followed the same general format and subjects. The conversations have generally followed the same format and digressions. The only thing that seems to change around here are the grumpies who want to complain about how much it's changed. Sure, a few of the conversations are a little more hostile. Sometimes, but this discourse has been here from the beginning on anything that might be remotely interpreted as political. //rant: But, at the end of the day, we are all sharing our opinions in an effort to find the truth. A little open mindedness goes a long way to productive and meaningful discourse. Everybody is not always right. Calling it fake news because or a contextual error is disingenuous. You're basically take the nuclear route on your own discussion. To call out a grammatical error is acceptable.
I'll just end the rant there before I get carried away.
Well, he's already surprising the Chinese, who are becoming deeply concerned that the detente that has ruled Sino-American affairs for over forty years is being thrown out the window. Not that I'm necessarily against giving China a few well-earned kicks in the nuts, and really, Obama had already started doing that with frequent sail-bys and fly-overs by the US Navy of that artificial island in the South China Sea. One could almost see Trump's phone call to the Taiwanese president as merely a more overt display of support for Taiwan, because, after all, even though the US normalized relations with the PRC in the 1970s, it has consistently worked to assure Taiwain's defense, to the point where the island of Formosa is one of the most heavily defended chunks of earth that has ever existed.
It's so hard to tell where Trump will go, but I have a feeling he'll work for a few quick wins, and then the reality of the office and the weight of decades of US foreign policy will drag him inevitably on the same course as his predecessors. He has to support Israel, so that's going to mean working within the power dynamics of the region, so no big innovations there. About the most I see in that regard is no more interventions, but we'll see, everyone assumed the same of Obama, and then the Arab Spring came along. The biggest foreign policy innovation, IF IT HOLDS, is thawing of relations with Russia, but here Trump has a serious problem in that he has a Congress that is clearly unconvinced that there is a new relationship to be had, or if there is, that it is worth pursuing. There seems a lot of bipartisan support for Congressional investigations of Russian influence on the US election, which tells you that Senate Republicans aren't just going to be Trump's lapdogs, and they're not going to shy away from making determinations that might prove embarrassing for him.
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Right you are.
He will definitely surprise America and the World.
Just not in the way you think.
My only consolation about this mess is that the people he will hurt most will be the ignorant midwestern poor who voted for him.
I personally am already comfortable enough to not care what he does, short of nuclear war. And even then, I have done some prepping. But the rest of you may be in for a shock.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
"We're all good friends here. Equals among peers. You guys are awesome, and I have tremendous respect for what you guys are doing. Except that Jack Dorsey, what an asshole! Sad!"
This is all very congenial and friendly. But how much you want to bet that, if there is ever a public disagreement between these companies and Trump, he'll suddenly decide that the non-existent chain of command is going to suddenly turn into a twitter barrage along the lines of "do it my way, you big meanies!"
That's not what your referenced article says. You read it wrong.
That's partly because Republicans are growing increasingly anti-subject-expert, and that's against the very idea of universities, specialists, and science. Prayer and "common sense folks-logic" is their new guiding star.
Republicans changed.
The fact that some progressives care about money doesn't contradict my point. Learn set theory.
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The "point", which you stated, but would not substantiate with any citations — despite my request...
You seem to consider yourself entitled to your own facts and I have no interest in discussions with such people. Psychiatry always seemed a depressing subject to me.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Historically that's how it works, but Trump is a different kind of President. I wouldn't use any kind of "how things normally work" as a model for the Trump Presidency.
And in any casethe switchboard blocks people because they're told to block people. "The Switchboard" isn't some entity that makes its own decisions. If the administration wants to do things differently it's completely possible, but probably not recommended.
There are no definitive studies either way. We cannot kill them and dissect their neurons to find out exactly why they do what they do, so we have to rely on indirect information and speculation.
I do see a general trend with conservatism that is anti-subject-expert. Do you disagree with this observation?
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At least now it's out in the open. I have to wonder about the deals Trump will make and the policies he will enact in order to give his own businesses an advantage. I think he's going to make out like a bandit during his presidency.
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
Our traffic has been growing since my company acquired Slashdot, regardless of what Alexa says. Also, reporting a direct quote from the President of the United States to tech leaders is not "partisan". Posting NYT revenue stats from the Daily Caller IS. Lastly, we do not do things around here in order to increase traffic. We cover things we think are worth covering. If you're triggered by a direct quote then perhaps you should just scroll past the story.
Reporting a direct quote from the president elect may not be partisan, but continually posting stories about the election and about the president for a year - regardless of whether they are tech related or not - definitely is. The GP was commenting not about one particular post, but a trend that has been pretty visible for at least a year now. In the meantime the number of tech related articles has fallen, while articles about pet Left 'science' causes - AGW/climate change, Russian hacking of the election, Uber, et al has taken over.
Slashdot used to be a site where people, regardless of their political opinions, could come and discuss technical issues. However, articles about things like major OS advances, CPUs, semiconductor process shrinks, IPv6 adaption, et al have become a rarity, and what substitutes it are posts promoting Leftist pet causes. Sorry, Whipslash, but the GP's recommendation is right on: focus on technical issues, and leave the political stuff to Politico, Huffington Post and their comrades. Unless you want the rest of us to leave, which would defeat the purpose of Dice buying you
I trust that Charity Watch rating about as much as a rating on a mortgage backed security.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Some of my friends on Facebook experienced 'exploding head syndrome' when they heard about this. I take that as a bellweather that good things are coming.
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You're probably aware of this, but the post above that you are responding to is a duplicate of a post I made earlier to a different story.
I didn't repost it here, and I never post as AC as a point of pride, so someone else has reposted it for me. I strongly suspect you (whiplash) reposted it in order to respond. All of which is fine - thinking things through it seems that reposting as AC to respond is quite reasonable.
My original post was in the article Elon Musk and Uber CEO Travis Kalanick Will Advise Trump On Business Issues of about a day ago.
The actual situation described in that article is a council which will meet with Trump which has 19 members and represents a wide swathe of industry. Musk and Kalanick are only barely 10% of the council. Other extremely notable members are Cook from Apple, Iger from Disney, Rometty from IBM, Nooyi from PepsiCo, and (obviously) 13 others.
Describing the council as "Musk and Kalanik advise Trump on Business Issues" is a reframing of the situation specifically to provoke anger and derision about Trump. It's clickbait and it's misleading.
Another title recently was "Twitter Cut Out of Trump Tech Meeting Over Failed Emoji Deal, Says Report". This was reported by Politico who gives no attribution, and which the Trump campaign denies. Twitter is worth $13 billion, while Amazon is at $372 billion and Apple is $624 billion, so it seems reasonable that Twitter was left out not out of spite, but because they aren't big enough to be a player. As many people have pointed out, Twitter employs a few thousand people while the other players employ tens and hundreds of thousands.
A fair number of Slashdot articles are slanted click-bait meant to supply a platform for people to insult each other.
You say that you're not interested in traffic, but that you post things you think should be covered. I eventually you'll get your wish: you'll post things that you think need to be published, and you won't have any traffic.
To a business owner, negative feedback is like gold, because it shows you how to improve your business.
I strongly recommend that you put your partisan leanings aside and make the health of the business your first priority. My original posting attracted a +5 insightful and many responses in support. Not all responses were supportive, of course, but enough to show that a fair proportion of readers think that this is a problem.
Also of note the original post was way down the page, and as you know few readers will read that far down. If the post was nearer the top there might be a lot more support.
And finally, Slashdot has polls. How about making a couple of well-formed polls to gather reader sentiment?
That should give you an idea of how strongly people feel about political click-bait, and whether this is a real issue that should be addressed.
I wouldn't be so sure. Trump has been considering what he would do in the white house for a very long and now he is there for real. He is surrounding himself with some very seasoned and capable professionals who have little fear of saying "No" to pretty much anyone. These are not a bunch of 30-something Ivy League grads and think tank wonks. Donald himself is a tireless worker and doesn't seem to have much interest in either golf or surrounding himself with mindless or conniving sycophants. Much remains to be seen.
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His "inner" inner circle is his family and the likes of Bannon, so while they aren't sycophants, they're hardly the kind of people who are likely to take a tact that opposed to Trump's. A lot of it depends on whether you espouse the theory that Trump is going to be a "president" (in other words, Pence and his cabinet will do a lot of the heavy lifting, much as how GWB's administration functioned) or a "President", as in a more "imperialist" notion.
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Interesting quote from Trump, from the Slashdot story:
"We want you to keep going with the incredible innovation," Trump said. "There's no one like you in the world....anything we can do to help this go along, we're going to be there for you. You can call my people, call me â" it makes no difference â" we have no formal chain of command around here."
It seems contradictory, but perhaps not.
His view is that better negotiations will open up opportunities to sell more in countries we do a lot trade with it. Currently it's usually lopsided trade, and he wants to fix that with negotiations to have more 2-way trade.
Whether he can actually pull that off is another matter. It's going to be an interesting 4 years...
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Climate science is not a 'left' issue. Sorry. The uptick in political articles was due to the recent election. They will subside.
Nobody's forcing anyone to click or read on any story. Scroll on by if you don't want to read it.
Troll-feeding is bad, m'k.
If Clinton was President-Elect, and had said this, we would cover it.
I have no doubt you would have. The point is that you would almost certainly have picked a better quote to put in the headline. The quote given is taken out of context and made to make Trump look bad.
The story here is that Trump is reaching out to people who were against him a couple of months ago, with this being the latest good example. Had Hillary won it's highly doubtful she would be doing the same (President Obama certainly never did). His quote was trying to sound open to input from these people at any time. That's news to me.
Do you have ESP?
If she said it we'd cover it.
No no. Wait people, give this post a chance. It's actually quite insightful.
Climate change is science. But it's science that "the Left" cares about, and "the Right" does not. And talking about it therefore makes Slashdot a partisan hack and pisses off a subset of Slashdot.
This guy wants his news bubble enforced. A news site he goes to is talking about a topic he wants to ignore. And he is upset.
Seems like you're confusing the Slashdot management with the Reddit management... https://slashdot.org/story/16/...
Bravo
They are relevant for political sites, not ALL sites. Which is the point
That is true that left and right simply isn't good enough, and the Nolan chart is a step in the right direction, but I still think it doesn't go nearly far enough. I find myself wanting to be further left than the top of the chart, but also further up than the left of the chart, in a region outside the chart entirely.
This is the political spectrum I think in.. The orientation of my chart is a bit of a compromise; the original sense of the terms "left" and "right" would run from what on that chart is upper left to lower right (which is the sense in which I meant "left" in my previous post), while a growing modern sense of the terms tends to run from what on that chart is lower left to upper right, so I've oriented it halfway between those.
Things tend to drift downward and rightward by default unless actively fought against -- that's where we started from, before anyone had the thought that maybe governments should be anything more than the reign of strong men over weak -- and those positions are stable, easily entrenched, and hard to escape from. Things in the upper half and left half meanwhile are unstable and tend to easily collapse -- back to the lower right, of course. That makes those (far upper and far left) positions impractical, but they're exactly the kind of crazy I think we need to make people realize just how far off the spectrum we think in true moderation is. In addition to that, we also need more moderate "right"-libertarians (like the Libertarian party) and European style social democrats (like the Green party).
I find the mainstream Democratic party as expressed in recent decades (Clinton and Obama) to be a lukewarm centrist compromise position, neither libertarian enough nor socialist enough, but certainly a better alternative than contemporary Republicans, who share most of the same flaws and then add a bunch of their own; just so long as they can avoid slipping down into their own form of "left"-authoritarianism that's just as bad in a different way.
But we really need the crazies way out in the upper left lunatic fringe to shift the perceived center up and to the left; not actually out into that fringe, but further away from the black hole of tyranny we (everyone) are always continually slipping toward unless we can manage to fight it.
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Climate and Energy are completely different entities. Climate only comes into the picture some, when it's solar and wind, but otherwise, energy is its own entity spanning things like nuclear, solar and wind. I'm assuming here that traditional energy sources like coal, oil and even hydro don't fall under tech (except maybe biodiesel)
If she said it we'd cover it.
Dude, I'm not claiming you wouldn't cover it. My first line is "I have no doubt you would have." At this point I believe you're simply trying to deflect attention from the actual point I'm making.
Do you have ESP?
> I'd say both have been into unethical behavior equally,
I'm sorry but no fucking way.
It's hard to compare their ethical behavior, scope, subject, and severity.
And I don't disagree with what your saying, I was trying to be diplomatic towards Trump supporters.
I don't think it makes him look bad.
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What a bunch of sore winners those Trumpeters.
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens