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IBM Employees Protest Cooperation With Donald Trump (theintercept.com)
Reader Presto Vivace shares a report on The Intercept: IBM employees are taking a public stand following a personal pitch to Donald Trump from CEO Ginni Rometty and the company's initial refusal to rule out participating in the creation of a national Muslim registry. In November, Rometty wrote Trump directly, congratulating him on his electoral victory and detailing various services the company could sell his administration. The letter was published on an internal IBM blog along with a personal note from Rometty to her enormous global staff. "As IBMers, we believe that innovation improves the human condition. ... We support, tolerance, diversity, the development of expertise, and the open exchange of ideas," she wrote in the context of lending material support to a man who won the election by rejecting all of those values. Employee comments were a mix of support and horror. Now, some of those who were horrified are going public, denouncing Rometty's letter and asserting "our right to refuse participation in any U.S. government contracts that violate constitutionally protected civil liberties." The IBMPetition.org effort has been spearheaded in part by IBM cybersecurity engineer Daniel Hanley, who told The Intercept he started organizing with his coworkers after reading Rometty's letter. "I was shocked, of course," Hanley said, "because IBM has purported to espouse diversity and inclusion, and yet here's Ginni Rometty in an unqualified way reaching out to an admin whose electoral success was based on racist programs."
IBM partnered with a nice man back in the 30s from Germany and that turned out just great!
If only they had shown that kind of backbone during the Obama years and made such a statement about any involvement of IBM in NSA surveillance, creation of massive financial and medical databases on US citizens, and drone killings.
We support, tolerance, diversity, the development of expertise, and the open exchange of ideas," she wrote in the context of lending material support to a man who won the election by rejecting all of those values.
Here's a thought - perhaps Trump indeed DOES support all those values, and you are all biting at yet more Fake News that attempts to claim he does not... time and again you find that items that paint Trump as a nazi or what have you are all vastly blown out of proportion and based on people or things Trump does not actually support and has disclaimed.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
IBM was happy to collaborate with Hitler. Why not Trump? Or any other despicable national leader? After all, business is business, right, IBM?
Where the fuck are all these special-snowflake IBM employees when they have no problem helping their corporate masters commit actual violations of civil liberties in China?
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AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
He was shocked that his CEO turned out to be a sociopath? Who woulda thunk that CEO's would be sociopaths?
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Sorry, but we refuse to give into neo-Nazism. We are learning from Germany's big mistake to not just go with the evil flow.
Go ahead and invoke Godwin's Law. If it quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, smells like a duck, and has funny hair like a duck, it's probably a friggen duck.
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video of Trump calling for Muslim registry https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Surprisingly insightful. You can't pick and choose what you get outraged about.
http://www.nytimes.com/politic... But I forgot, you can't trust media institutions that have been in print for over a hundred years. You can only trust online news sources that have been around for a decade.
If he did, it was — likely as not — out of concern for those freedoms and the rights we cherish. Because Islam is incompatible with many of them.
Granted, other religions also frown at "unbelievers" (that is, believers in something else) and "immoral" behaviors, but only Islam compels the followers to not only disapprove of, but to actively right the perceived wrongs.
About 300 years ago, a bunch of White Christian men thought a nation with the First Amendment being among the laws of the land. Even today it is impossible to imagine a similar group of Muslims writing down anything of the kind.
Islam, which considers people like Barack Obama apostates , is incompatible with the First Amendment. Ironically, it is exactly that law, which prevents us from doing much about the threat. But I would not condemn Trump for trying...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
They should read Scott Adams writings about cognitive dissonance and the art of persuasion. This one for example: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/1...
I guess we're supposed to pretend that IBM's technology wasn't used 75-80 years ago to carry out the holocaust?
It's good that the company has learned something since then.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
Sorry, but I find T's statements and attitudes surprisingly similar to Adolf's. Even if T's are somewhat milder, that's hardly a reason to dismiss them.
"But that iceberg is only 2/3 the one that sank Titanic. Relax!"
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f he did, it was — likely as not — out of concern for those freedoms and the rights we cherish. Because Islam is incompatible with many of them.
Yes, we must protect the values we cherish by destroying them.
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength
One could argue China's policies are generally none of our business, but this registry *is* the business of USA. Clean up our own house first.
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They are protesting something that will never be created, because when the rhetoric was translated into reality, it was a proposal to reestablish the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System (NSEERS)[1], which was in force through half of President Obama's presidency, and which tracks certain individuals who enter the United States based on country/region of origin and other factors. Useless publicity stunt with commensurate absolutely abysmal coverage by The Intercept.
See also:
8 U.S. Code  1182 - Inadmissible aliens[2]
"Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President:
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate."
Flashback:
"The Secretary of State and the Attorney General will invalidate all visas issued to Iranian citizens for future entry into the United States, effective today. We will not reissue visas, nor will we issue new visas, except for compelling and proven humanitarian reasons or where the national interest of our own country requires. This directive will be interpreted very strictly."[3] -- President Jimmy Carter, April 7, 1980
[1] https://www.ice.gov/nseers
[2] https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...
[3] http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu...
Seriously, they can do it for him, just have to find the right ppl.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Useful backstory to IBM's thinking:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
Get over it! Trump!!!
Trump made David Friedman the US Ambassador to Israel. He'll want to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem and then the Middle East will explode.
I say GOOD! Because I'll have Oil futures. Oil will skyrocket with a regional war.
Trump wants to make a muslim database? Go ahead. I don't mind making money off that.
And when the US is at war with China because of Trump's antics? Good! I got money in defense contractors.
And when I roll by a cemetery and see a Trumpette burying his son because he died at some dipshit war that Trump got us into, I'll remember that one of my companies made more money and I'll smile.
I refuse to argue with stupid. I will make money off it and rub it in their faces.
My inspriation are the Krupps, Hugo Boss, and the all time champions Hall of Fame profiteers off of stupid people and their governments - The Rothchilds.
The people get the government they deserve and the American people deserve Trump because you are stupid.
You are inventing a false dichotomy.
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And if it ever passed, how would they feel about the individuals who refused to participate in any projects providing technical backing to cap-n-trade? What about a national gun-owner registry which can be viewed by anyone? Gun ownership is a guaranteed constitutional right just as the right to practice a religion is a guaranteed constitutional right.. IBM is a private company. Refusing to participate in its projects does not make anyone a conscientious-objector employee. It makes them insubordinate employees. The conscientious thing to do in such a situation is not to object to participate in a project. It is to resign. Hoping to both refuse to participate in company's projects and to keep drawing salary from the company is slimy.
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
Seriously, how much of your own kool-aide can you drink?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics...
(warning, bs autoplaying video)
"âoePresident-elect Trump has never advocated for any registry or system that tracks individuals based on their religion, and to imply otherwise is completely false," Jason Miller, Communications Director of the Presidential Transition Team, wrote in a statement. "The national registry of foreign visitors from countries with high terrorism activity that was in place during the Bush and Obama Administrations gave intelligence and law enforcement communities additional tools to keep our country safe the President-elect will release his own vetting policies after he is sworn in.""
The article goes on to illustrate where the idea apparently came from, in a probably-misheard question during a rally.
From what I can see, a good 50% of the panic the left is feeling over the Trump presidency is being startled by THEIR OWN STRAWMEN.
-Styopa
Remember the good old days when marxists didn't call themselves 'center-left liberals'? Neither do I, they've been doing it my entire life.
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To help them with the Holocaust and use of Nazi concentration camps.
So are we saying that trump is worst then that.
Also IBM build systems for the Japanese internment camps
Lol, you don't make money off defense contractors you sorry 3rd world troll. You make the rough equivalent of USD 200 per month, tops. How does it feel to be so irrelevant that you can only get a job pretending not to be?
Your link proves you wrong. Not once did he say anything about a Muslim registry, he was talking about registering and tracking illegal immigrants. The alt-left talking heads, though, could do nothing but manufacture fake news from whole cloth.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
"Nationalism and Socialism has to be redefined and they had to be blended into one strong new idea to carry new strength which would make Germany great again." - A. Hitler, 1940
... Use them to make this country great again." - Ralph Wiggum, 2008
To be fair, that phrase gets used a lot. It's not just Trump and Hitler:
"Maybe I want to use them.
And, it took all of about 37 seconds before someone compared a businessman and reality TV star to a vicious, military-style dictator who started a world war that caused the death of more than one hundred million people and methodically murdered millions of people in concentration camps.
Yeah, I'm invoking Godwin's Law because it's applicable here and really a really tired comparison.
No where in there does he say "all Muslims in the United States should be registered". The statement is nicely edited to leave out the context.
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He is, without a doubt, the most successful internet troll of all time. He may be a colossal failure at a number of other things, but he is the troll to which all other trolls will be left to aspire to be for the rest of existence.
When we recognize this, we ought to wonder if the Muslim Registry is just presented as just another act of trolling. Sure, he has championed a great number of Really Bad Ideas, but this one would be beyond the pale for the overwhelming majority of all people. At least his proposed wall doesn't blatantly fly in the face of any enumerated constitutional rights, but this Muslim Registry inarguably does.
It's hard to really imagine that he actually wants to do this. He must be trolling us, right?
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
If you are illegal, we want you out. While illegal immigrants from Eastern Europe, I'm looking at you too.
A lot is said about America being a land of immigrants. It is true. Sadly you are not going to be one of them.
I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
> because IBM has purported to espouse diversity and inclusion
But you see, everyone only purports to espouse that stuff.
This is not "fake news". It's an analysis based on something he said and/or was questioned about more than once. You are spreading FUD and subverting reasonable debate by labeling things you disagree with as "fake". This is poisonous behavior.
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Surprisingly insightful. You can't pick and choose what you get outraged about.
Of course you can. It's called partisanship and it happens all the time. The Red/Blue Team will always get outraged when the Blue/Red team does something the Red/Blue team did when it was in power, but that was different because they were the ones doing it! For instance, I'm looking forward to the return of the anti-war left, missing since 2008.
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
He never said that he's planning a Muslim database. He refuses to rule anything out, just like he should. Nice try by Stephanopoulos to try and hang him on a hypothetical, but that's not something that in the works
No he's not inventing one, rather he's just observing a commonly held one.
That, and it's really absurd to label this as a racism thing as in TFS when Islam isn't a race. Besides, this won't happen anyways because it's a pretty clear violation of the first amendment's establishment clause.
Sh!7 we have a database of everybody but I don't remember anybody calling the Obama Administration "fascist."
The government does not have a database of everyone's religion. The only time the government ever asked me my religion was when I was a Marine and a PFC asked as he was using a metal punch machine to make my dogtags. I was told it was to ensure I got the right funeral. It didn't go into any database.
Preface: I voted against Trump.
In the first clip I'm noticing that Trump refers to borders and walls suggesting his mind is in the context of immigration from the south. That would mean his comments about databases refer to immigration in general. Islam isn't referenced until late in the clip, and then by the interviewer rather than Trump. My conclusion: Trump and the interviewer are talking about two different things. It's unclear if the interviewer intended for that to happen. It's also unclear whether some of the interview from before the clip we see would've established a Muslim context to what we see.
In the second clip Trump seems to try to avoid the question. I can interpret that as him being evasive or as him being annoyed at the question. Being annoyed would be understandable if Trump has not proposed a Muslim database. I haven't seen evidence he has. A smarter politician would've taken the opportunity to say "Muslim database? That's horrible idea and I'm against it! Now an immigration database would be handy to have in the unlikely event Canada invades..." if he has not proposed a Muslim database, but I don't think Trump is very smart (see my preface).
Sorry, but we refuse to give into neo-Nazism. We are learning from Germany's big mistake to not just go with the evil flow.
Go ahead and invoke Godwin's Law. If it quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, smells like a duck, and has funny hair like a duck, it's probably a friggen duck.
And small duck hands, don't forget that.
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"I was shocked, of course," Hanley said, "because IBM has purported to espouse diversity and inclusion, and yet here's Ginni Rometty in an unqualified way reaching out to an admin whose electoral success was based on racist programs."
Is he so naive as to take internal corporate propaganda seriously, as if the most senior management was actually pursuing diversity and inclusion altruistically, and if they were, for any purpose other than cynically as a means to increase profits?
This guy not only had his bubble burst that IBM leadership weren't really ideologically invested in social justice, but that that they're calculating business leaders willing to go along with just about anything if there's money and long term value in it for IBM.
A smarter politician would've taken the opportunity to say "Muslim database? That's horrible idea and I'm against it!
That is exactly the point. But I don't think this is a question of being smart. I think this is a question of him at heart not being opposed to this idea. In fact, he's a narcissist who is not opposed to any idea that inflates his ego and gives him air time. All publicity is good publicity as far as he's concerned. He fought his whole campaign that way. Consequently, nobody really knows what he'll do when he gets into office. If he decides that his popularity will go up if there is a database of every Muslim in the US then he will do that and worse. I think extreme Islamist terrorists know that and know that it would play into their hands; they'll be looking for an opportunity to trigger him.
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Okay, let's compare a (failed) artist to a TV star. Better?
If the German citizens had nipped it in the bud, it may not have gone as far as it did. Otherwise, it's the equivalent of feeding a troll.
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Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it
It is the silly hyperbole of calling Trump or his supporters neo-nazis or fascists that guarantees the Democrats will continue to lose elections. Start speaking rationally again.
Hyperbole? I do not think that word means what you think it means.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/21/...
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
NYT is the prime driver of fake news.
I genuinely find this comment chilling. Things have entered a spiral that going in a worrying direction. If we can't agree on the facts under debate then we are all (regardless of our political affiliation) going to be fucked. It's in everyone's interest not to create a fog that makes dialog and reasoned debate impossible. When debate becomes impossible we no longer have a democracy. Elections are just window dressing.
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Since the election coverage, I haven't been able to see CNN as anything other than an alt-left version of Breighbart (or whatever that alt-right site is).
I'd be surprised if it doesn't go into a database in case your tags are lost but yea they actually ask for a reason that matters. They want to do the right thing for you after you can no longer tell them what that is.
No, we don't have to pretend that. But please acknowledge that the chance that someone working for IBM today also worked for IBM in the 30's is basically 0.
You certainly can't trust that article in the NYT. Note that they make incorrect and unsupported claims about what questions were asked, then direct quotes which they say were answers. If one listens to the exchange verbatim, it's clear that Trump was talking about databases to track immigrants. He was not "asked how a system of registering Muslims would be carried out" as claimed, that was manufactured by the NYT. In context it's clear he wasn't focusing his answers on Muslims, but on immigrants - he specifically mentioned the wall he wants to build along the Mexican border, and not even the alt-left has tried to claim he wants that to keep Muslims out.
Nothing he said implied that he supported creating a database specific to Muslims. He was talking about expanding and better managing long existing systems which track people entering/exiting the US. Yes, because some immigrants are Muslim, they should be in the database (same as others). But, because he refused to say that he wouldn't track Muslims, the alt-left fake news says he wants a "Muslim database", says Muslims would be in it based solely on their religion, and implies it would include US citizens.
I get how people can misunderstand things he says - he's not well read, not very articulate, and doesn't have a career politician's ingrained care with words. It gets him in trouble, but it doesn't make him evil.
"National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity." - Celine's First Law
Good to see another set of eyes open. It's been true for 20 years, but they were so overconfident this time they didn't even bother pretending.
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Break out your dictionary. It's always available to help you.
This is not fake news. Fake news is lies masquerading as the truth. On the other hand, this is a particular situation where Trump said something which triggered debate and differing opinions on what it means. There is video evidence of the whole exchange and the exchange is meaningful. So how the hell is this "fake news"? It's also not the only time he's discussed things along these lines or was questioned about these issues. So it's an on-going story too.
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It's present in other videos of the same exchange. It was a question from the reporter that apparently Trump found unremarkable.
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And, it took all of about 37 seconds before someone compared a businessman and reality TV star to a vicious, military-style dictator who started a world war that caused the death of more than one hundred million people and methodically murdered millions of people in concentration camps.
Yeah, I'm invoking Godwin's Law because it's applicable here and really a really tired comparison.
So lets keep him has a businessman, reality TV star, and likely crappy president by not ignoring the giant red flags that have been waving for the past year.
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Hopefully they've learned to do a more effective job this time.
They did an effective job last time. Most of the death camps were profitable. They were very efficiently run, and IBM's tabulating machines helped with that.
he advocated, very loudly and on tape, for just such a thing. Politifact has sources that can be followed, and most of them are Trump himself.
/. these days...
Jesus, the things that get modded up on
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but when you work for a corporation - you have NO RIGHTS! IBM could just fire all their butts and not blink.
The Truth is a Virus!!!
and India. IBM dumped almost all of it's non-Sales staff except a few researches to work on high profile projects that keep them in the news. IBM has long since switched to being an Indian outsourcer who occasionally does some research as part of a broader marketing push. They said as much around 2008 when they did their last round of layoffs.
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It's chilling that anybody can consider the NYT anything but pure propaganda after this election cycle. Have you been asleep for the last year?
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Let me ask you straight. What percentage of the world's Muslims are terrorists?
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
It takes the courage of this few to steer this monster away from greed and inhuman behavior. Reminder: a corporation only exist because we empower it. If we chose to we can terminate their existence.
If T had simply said, "We have too much immigration in general. Let's cut way down on it", then very few would be calling him fascist or a neo-Nazi.
Incidentally, if all immigration were curtailed, he wouldn't have his wife.
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I don't think you know what "fake news" is.
And, it took all of about 37 seconds before someone compared a businessman and reality TV star to a vicious, military-style dictator who started a world war that caused the death of more than one hundred million people and methodically murdered millions of people in concentration camps.
Old Adolf didn't start as a Dictator. He started as a ex-corporal and failed artist who found that he got a lot of attention screaming about how Jews were filthy and communists were evil in front of beer hall crowds. He wasn't particularly smart, but he was very charismatic. The similarities between Trump and Adolf's character and politics is striking and rather alarming to people who study world history. The people who just want to demonize Trump will of course throw around the comparison as it suits them.
No, Donald hasn't committed genocide. Comparing him to Hitler in that sense is completely ridiculous. I think the concern that people have about him is that he comes off as a populist bully, someone who is completely willing to throw followers of Islam and Mexicans under the bus in order to gain populist support. In that sense of the comparison, he is very much like Hitler.
Godwin's 'Law', notes that it is OK to discuss Nazis in the context of a topic that pertains to Nazis. So provided that we are not just trying to demonize him, it seems fair. There is a real concern that Trump is going to do some very evil things with power, and starting a national Islam database seems very similar to Germany's first steps with Jewish people. IBM was the company who sold Germany the machines to make punch cards and trace genealogy of Jewish people, so this should be a very touchy topic for IBM.
I don't care if you are pro or anti Trump. Don't get your opinions about him from pundits or talk show hosts. Just watch for yourself what he does very closely and think about history. It is usually a rerun...
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
and my ethics say not everything is black or white and that one must choose their battles to better focus rather than try to take on the whole world.
If Mother Teresa tried to cure cancel, balance national budgets, and make sure all airport restrooms had toilet paper, she probably wouldn't be as successful as she was.
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I don't think IBM realizes the dangerous ground it is creating for itself. They could have just given the correct answer and been fine, but the ambiguity creates a very special PR risk for them given the public perception of their (disputed) company history.
... or the previous one.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Waddaya mean, funny hair?
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You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
I think this is a question of him at heart not being opposed to this idea.
Putting words in his mouth about a Muslim registry takes attention away from legitimate criticism (practicality of a border wall, treatment of women, financial plans, etc.) and therefore works in his favor.
Perhaps, but English doesn't have a better word to replace "racism". Don't blame me, I didn't make English. I would belt the people who did, but they are already dead.
Kind of like the NRA.
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Sorry, but we refuse to give into neo-Nazism. We are learning from Germany's big mistake to not just go with the evil flow.
Go ahead and invoke Godwin's Law. If it quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, smells like a duck, and has funny hair like a duck, it's probably a friggen duck.
Hey, IBM helped them as well...
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
Apparently the nice people at IBM are still trying to live down their cooperation with the Nazis in WW2, when they helped with the cataloging of undesirables in the concentration camps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_during_World_War_II
Yeah, it's true. The role of IBM's German subsidiary, known as Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen Gesellschaft was documenting operations which allowed the Nazis to better organize their war effort, and in particular the Holocaust and use of Nazi concentration camps.
I don't think you'll find a Project Plaque for this in the lobby of IBM's main office, but I could be wrong. In any case, props to them for not getting involved this time.
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More reading available at http://www.ibmandtheholocaust....
IBM and the Holocaust is the stunning story of IBM's strategic alliance with Nazi Germany -- beginning in 1933 in the first weeks that Hitler came to power and continuing well into World War II. As the Third Reich embarked upon its plan of conquest and genocide, IBM and its subsidiaries helped create enabling technologies, step-by-step, from the identification and cataloging programs of the 1930s to the selections of the 1940s.
Only after Jews were identified -- a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately -- could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s no computer existed.
But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. Aided by the company's custom-designed and constantly updated Hollerith systems, Hitler was able to automate his persecution of the Jews. Historians have always been amazed at the speed and accuracy with which the Nazis were able to identify and locate European Jewry. Until now, the pieces of this puzzle have never been fully assembled. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.
IBM and its German subsidiary custom-designed complex solutions, one by one, anticipating the Reich's needs. They did not merely sell the machines and walk away. Instead, IBM leased these machines for high fees and became the sole source of the billions of punch cards Hitler needed.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Unfortunately there is no mod for 'surprisingly' insightful.
I propose "ctrl-alt-right".
Finally, someone proposes trying the Switch Desktop Hotkey to get us out of 2016... it might work after ten days or so of trying... one sec...
Real lawyers write in C++
I'd be surprised if it doesn't go into a database ...
My recollection is that he asked my religion as he was punching it into the blank tags. It wasn't recorded anywhere else, and I walked away with the tags, so I don't see how it could have gone into a DB. Besides, this is back when few people had ever heard of a "database".
in case your tags are lost
I received three tags. Two went around my neck: one to stay with the corpse, the other to be collected and sent in with the casualty report. The third was laced into my boot. To lose all three, I would have been blown into small enough pieces to be seagull chow, and there would have been nothing left to bury.
Did you know that certain religions are closely related to certain ethnicities? And that these prejudices have long been considered racism? Like when folks such as the KKK (or certain other people) are anti-Jewish, and these are historically considered "racist" organizations. Here's a passage from the UN resolution on "Measures to combat contemporary forms of racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related intolerance" (1999):
17. Urges all Governments to cooperate fully with the Special Rapporteur with a view to enabling him to fulfil his mandate, including the examination of incidents of contemporary forms of racism and racial discrimination, inter alia, against blacks, Arabs and Muslims, xenophobia, Negrophobia, anti-Semitism and related intolerance;
http://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/53/133
We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
Seriously. IBM is a business, not a social platform. If you don't like how your employer does business, quit, and never do business with them again. Join some Socialist Party and whine to people that care. Otherwise your likely making decisions outside of your pay grade.
Not as far as I can tell. It seems like his worst sin is declining to rule it out. There is a lot to criticize him over, but it seems to me this particular issue is a creation of his opponents.
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That, and it's really absurd to label this as a racism thing as in TFS when Islam isn't a race.
Congratulations, you can read a dictionary.
Meanwhile, back in the real world: Voter ID laws are racist even though the presence or absence of a certain ID is not a race. Gerrymandering is (usually) racist even though street address is not a race. Even the criminalisation of cannabis was racist even though cannabis is not a race.
Politicians, pundits, and others use many things as a proxy for race to kid themselves that they're not being racist. Islamophobia is one of many such things.
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I can see you easily conflate things that are not alike. Ducks don't have hair. They have feathers. Trump isn't Hitler. Get back to me when he's shoveling Jews, Muslims, or whatever into ovens.
There's no place like
Trump's name-calling and insults didn't seem to hurt his campaign. Anti-PC was one of his themes.
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I don't get it, you Americans are ALL in a fucking database already, you have a no fly list (in a database) that has children on it. What's one more? I would rather be in a muslim database then on your oh so secret no fly list database. You don't actually think they are going to create ANOTHER database just for muslims, no, they are going add a foreign key and move on (if it's not there already). Do you honestly think your NSA doesn't already track all muslims? Standing on your soap box and wailing that you won't stand for it (pun intended) is fucking retarded. It's already done, this is just more anti trump hysteria - the very reason why people who support some of trumps views keep that to themselves, because if you do agree with some trumpism you get viciously attacked. So you shut your mouth and walk away, but vote for trump anyway. (I am not American btw, but I can see why he was a surprise winner of the election).
There are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third is statistics.
Actually active ones? Difficult to tell, but over a quarter think the Charlie Hebdo attacks were justified.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-312...
What percentage of terrorists are muslims? Nearly all.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
This reminds me of something similar.
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We don't need the word "racism" in this case, as it's not racist. It's called defending yourself. Muslim extremists are a very real danger that has been a problem around the world for a long time now. How did anyone think repeated suicide bombings was going to be met by governments? Did you think they'd just ignore it?
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And you think that a country MUST accept any and all immigrants or else it is, by definition, fascist?
If that's based on if someone is a specific religion then yeah. Basically any argument you care to make, replace muslims with jews and tell us you don't sound like a fucking nazi.
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That phrase, "We have to make [whatever] great again" is inherently bigotted.
It begs three questions:
1. What was it about [whatever] that made it so great, back then in its Golden Age?
2. Who is the group that is f*cking that up? Who is this enemy?
3. How do we go about crippling the enemy's ability to continue to f*ck it up? Because surely if we do that, everything will go back to peaches and cream, right?
Since these questions are subliminal, not clearly stated but strongly suggested, there is no need for the demagogue to do more than suggest an answer to the second one, "who is responsible for this mess?". Those who do not use critical thinking skills (either through ignorance of the skills or through an unwillingness to do the work) will have no trouble filling in the blanks. The demagogue and his cronies need do no more than provide further suggestions to shape what has become an unthinking mob into doing their bidding.
A problem with Trump's approach is that the unthinking mob is a fickle and easily distracted flock of sheople that needs continuous shepherding to keep it moving and on track. Hitler and his cronies did not originally plan to kill 6 million Jews, but a demagogue must be a leader, and as a leader he must stay in front of his mob, no matter where it is going.
Trump is a demagogue: he is a master of turning sheople's frustrations and despair into an anger that can be directed. His tweets should be studied alongside the studies of how Hitler managed his rise to power. He is not going to create solutions to the USA's problems, because the power of his approach depends on constantly magnifying the enemy to keep his base stirred up. He has no policy goals or long term agenda because those get in the way of how he maintains his power on a daily basis.
I doubt that he will still be President at the end of 2017. I'm pretty sure that by then he will have driven the country so close to one brink or another that his impending failure will be obvious. He will then bail out, as he has always done. How many times has he driven one of his projects into a death spiral, only to use a bankruptcy parachute to save his own butt? He will abdicate, leaving Pence holding the bag. He will probably emigrate to some nation that has no extradition treaties with the USA. For after all, he is a cosmopolitan Citizen of the World with no particular ties to any one country.
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You're jumping to conclusions with points two and three. Yes people like to place blame, and Trump (and Hitler) have chosen to direct that blame onto other groups of people, but that blame has been directed onto other targets by other demagogues: regulation, religion, ideologies, alternative lifestyles or organizational principles... etc. So many options. Whatever inconveniences you, or stands in the way of your own enrichment - that is what people should blame for their problems.
Claiming that the video is evidence of something that it does in fact not show is however fake news.
This is poisonous behavior.
Attributing a behaviour to someone with no evidence is pretty poisonous, yes. Perhaps you'd like to provide some evidence instead of berating the person requesting it?
I work for a multinational and its behaviour in different countries and regimes is very much my business. The specifics of employment law must follow regional legislation, compliance regimes differ but the company remains fully in control of who it does business with, and accountable for the impacts of that business.
So people are Nazis for wanting to restrict immigration from Syria?
Don't you think it makes sense to restrict immigration to people who want to participate in your culture? Why bring people over who have nothing but contempt for your culture; who don't accept the basic tenants of the culture (free speech and pluralism)?
I'm pro-immigration and I see the fu(king problem.
You think the killings in Germany was just a random act of violence? WTF?
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
Though I would not want that to happen, I don't see, why it is a graver concern, than Sharia.
Christianity is a the "official religion" of a number of countries, most of which are routinely used as examples for the unwashed Yanks on how to live. Did you know, British monarch is the head of the country's church? Yes, Britain has a state church. Or take Norway — Bernie Sanders' favorite place — they too have an official "state church".
It seems wrong to you and me, because we are Americans and value the First Amendment, but it is not evil.
Meanwhile, the two countries, where Sharia is the law of the land, are Iran and Saudi Arabia... And Islam, unlike Christianity, makes civil law part of the faith. Though it may have been an improvement over some barbaric traditions it replaced in the 7th century, Sharia is decidedly evil today.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
The Bible says similar things.
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So people are Nazis for wanting to restrict immigration from Syria?
No, you're nazis when you say things like no Muslims allowed in and let's make a database of the ones who are here. It's not about restricting immigration or not, you could say no Syrians because of what's going on there and that's perfectly valid. It's the blanket Muslim thing which tips the scale, how do you even define muslim? Actual practicing Islamic? From the middle east? Funny name? Brown skin? The Muslims in america are being made into the enemy of the state like Jews were then. It's not far (slippery slope, I know) from that to deport all the Muslims. Most people are like yeah, whatever and don't really give a shit where the trains end up as long as they can go along with their daily business and it's not in their face.
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Claiming that the video is evidence of something that it does in fact not show is however fake news.
This is poisonous behavior.
Attributing a behaviour to someone with no evidence is pretty poisonous, yes. Perhaps you'd like to provide some evidence instead of berating the person requesting it?
It's not so much that. What is poisonous in this case is obscuring the debate by casting doubts over even what constitutes a fact. If there are no longer any facts there can no longer be debate and this puts democracy in peril. The evidence in this case is in the original story that the OP claims is fake. He's not requesting evidence, he's obscuring evidence by labeling it as something else. It's pretty straightforward to see why this is so. The story is based upon at least one video of Trump answering questions from a reporter. Nobody is saying the video is fake. This is my take on why the reaction to the video is reasonable and not overblown. The news story as a whole is made up of the video and the reaction to the video. Some people are disturbed by the video and we can debate whether this is reasonable. What we can't reasonably do is call the whole thing "fake".
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stfu bigot
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
I think you're reading far more into it than there is. You're focusing on the trash talk and missing the point. The point that outrages people is that we don't know who is in the country.
We don't know why they came here.
And too many people assume that all immigrants here want to coexist in a multicultural society with free speech.
Oops. Some don't.
Now what?
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
What makes you think the stamping machine wasn't collecting data?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Sadly, the path we were on was even worse. If you're going to cite Nazi-ism look to the brain washing in the universities, anti-white everything, BLM, rampant fraud, bullying, and criminal activities exposed in the emails, doubling the debt, PCness run amok, countless failures in the middle-east (yeah, Bush wasn't any better).
Both sides are awful, we shouldn't get stuck on picking on someone that is trending one political direction or another in this stage of his/her life and start considering ways to actually improve things OUTSIDE of the tried-and-failed/outdated methods of the legislative class.
Term limits would be step one for me.
It was shameless this time. Their echo-chamber effect overwhelmed them. Perhaps that's how divided our nation has become. I remember during the run-up to the election, a huge push of blue state govs doing awful things like suddenly pushing for felons to vote.
The MSM left crowd pushed for focusing on a magical Russian hacker fairy that masterfully exposed the "misunderstood?" comments in the emails that exposed rampant fraid, bullying, pay-for-play corruption and so much more. Additionally, the magical hackers also had a perfect understanding of our electoral system and hacked just the right districts by just enough to give Trump the electoral edge.
All this despite Assange (formerly a hero of the left) repeatedly denied Russia was the source and strongly hinted that it was a DNC insider.
Another recent development is that ALL U.S. news sources seem to be blatantly biased in one direction or another. I can't stand to read CNN, MSNC, CBS, NPR, ABC, NYTimes or FoxNews (most others are much lower than this group). I am not sure at what point real objective journalism died. It is extinct in the USA, now.
Why AC for your well thought out post? Oh yeah, the moderators are leaning a bit left today. You should have made a stronger conclusion though. Such as: "ALL MSM in the US has become so politically slanted in one direction or another that they are all basically fake news now." Journalism is dead.
They're all fake now. Multi-source your news and do some research. I can't find anything US-based that resembles unbiased journalism anymore. This really sucks being unable to trust any of them.
MSNBC is your authoritative source?!? What next FoxNews? The National Enquirer?
No, I'm pretty open about what I want. Ideally, I'd like every Muslim on the face of this planet to apostatize, or else, quarantined. But I also know that few countries have laws that allow it, so I look at the alternatives. You can go to Berlin or Zurich or Aleppo and live in that idyllic Islamo-friendly way, until a truck hits you and you become one of those 72 virgins that every good Muzzie can hump after getting dispatched to allah
I am making the subtle implication that he most likely took notice of her body the moment it became a sexually-mature adult
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the modern liberal, no thought is too crude or vile or uncalled for them to present.
Thank you sir for your filthy mind and mouth, for it is you and people like you that directly led to Trump's successful election. I take it we can count on you to further your efforts along these lines to ensure a second Trump term in office?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The realities of inter-sect war eventually shaped existing Christian working doctrine into a more practical shape. Islam seems to be just starting that process, the equivalent of 1500's and 1600's where Christian sects clobbered the hell into each other for so long without progress that people eventually realized endless war was futile and deadly, and thus worked out deals to coexist.
It's not that the root of Christianity is more peaceful, it's that the Big Fist of History shaped it to be more peaceful.
Islam may need the same lesson. Let's just hope they don't clobber the entire planet first.
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They're all fake now. Multi-source your news and do some research. I can't find anything US-based that resembles unbiased journalism anymore. This really sucks being unable to trust any of them.
Bias is not the same thing as fake.
Fake news is an outright shameless lie that's designed to spread confusion and polarize debate. Of course you can achieve a similar effect with an "opinion piece", but fake news is a step further since it creates its own "facts". All news outlets everywhere are biased in some way. It varies in degree, but it's always there. If you don't see the bias, then that's probably just because the slant jives closely with your worldview. Bias is not an inherently bad thing, but it's problematic if it's extreme because then it shuts out other reasonable viewpoints. I agree that good things should come of reading more widely. The Guardian recently ran a piece honestly encouraging its readers to sample some more conservative news sources.
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Why AC for your well thought out post? Oh yeah, the moderators are leaning a bit left today. You should have made a stronger conclusion though. Such as: "ALL MSM in the US has become so politically slanted in one direction or another that they are all basically fake news now." Journalism is dead.
I see only stupid bullshit that annoys me when I get mod points to spend. When I'm out of mod points, ACs come out of the woodwork to post informative stuff I wish got modded up.
"You're the racist, you racist!"
- Someone Who Self-Identifies As a Conservative
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Seems very appropriate. I'll make sure I never hire his stupid ass.
It didn't go into any database.
I don't know what branch of service you were in, so I can't guarantee it, but in the Marine Corps it definitely ended up in a database.
Reading code is like reading the dictionary - you have to read half of it before you can go back and understand it.
Seven seasons is "failed"? How do you judge success?
I'm not a fan of his, or the show, but get a clue.
Just another day in Paradise
Seriously, you're going to reference CNN on hyperbole? I wish I had mod points to mark your post Funny.
Just another day in Paradise
Clearly, you haven't paid any attention to defense stocks. The link here is to a five year chart showing four major defense contractors.
https://finance.yahoo.com/char...
Just another day in Paradise
I am very dissapointed with my online peers right now.
Almost everywhere I read online anymore is a sad tale about people that have convinced themselves that our next President is someone he is not. I don't know where the lies became so bold they began to take on their own truth but it needs to be 'checked'. ( reference to a direct quote for the astute )
I know these people to be very intelligent, and I wish for all of our sakes they would turn their brains back on, and deploy some critical thinking to the matter.
Thank You.
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
No true Scottsman.
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
As everyone above asks, please point to a single instance of him calling for a Muslim registry. He didn't say it, he didn't ask for it, and claiming he did is all fake news. What he was asked and answered was about an immigration database, which already exists. When directly asked about the Muslim database, he said he wouldn't rule it out. This is not the same thing as calling for a Muslim database. The only person bringing up Muslim in any way was the reporter, which would make them...a bigot.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?