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China To Plow $361 Billion Into Renewable Fuel By 2020 (indiatimes.com)
China will invest $361 billion in renewable power generation between 2016 and 2020, the National Energy Administration (NEA) said Thursday, as the world's largest energy market pushes to shift away from coal power. From a report: The investment will create over 13 million jobs in the sector, the NEA said in a blueprint document that lays out its plan to develop the nation's energy sector in a five-year period. The NEA repeated its goal to have 580 million tonnes of coal equivalent of renewable energy consumption by 2020, accounting for 15 percent of overall energy consumption.
All those Chinese coal mining jobs will now come to the US. Campaign promise kept!
Take money from hard working people and use it to improve society for all? Unthinkable!
To borrow an Abrahamic phrase: The writing is on the wall...
-Frank
Renewable Fuel?
Renewable fuel is not the same thing as renewable generation. I guess a good headline here has to be inaccurate, thus explaining the change.
to build anything in China
Coal IS a renewable fuel...given a couple million years or so. :)
Good for China, and good for us: the sea level rises for everybody equally, no matter which country is at fault. Today, the U.S. and China emit vastly more greenhouse gases than the EU, India, and Russia combined. Those two countries have a responsibility to the rest of the world to get their houses in order.
China is doing something about it, albeit first steps. The U.S., by contrast, is being run buy delusional nuts who think global warming is some kind of scam. Makes me ashamed to be an American.
I honestly can't wait for China to swoop in and become as clean (or cleaner) than EU/NA. Mainly to see all of these idiots going on about "Why should we clean up our ways when China is pumping out x times more crap than us?". They also seem to forget that China is a toxic mess because they're producing all the crap for the cleaner countries.
But hard for the USA because China doesn't care about the pollution that the production and disposal of the materials. The EPA would make mining and production operations too expensive to be competitive in the USA.
This is 100% about preparing do destroy economies. The Chinese are maneuvering to get us locked into renewable fuels by treaties, and then they'll use the same solar dumping approach to gain a stranglehold on the market. It's completely fucking transparent, and has been done before.
The delusional nuts are the ones who think they can favorably manipulate climate with political structures. Ah well, I will keep driving my F-150.
Dunno if you're trolling or actually referring to the Arab and other Gulf states that depend on petro-dollars. But Saudi, under its newer and younger leaders, is beginning to diversify away from fossil fuels. Their citizens are even facing a new concept called taxation.
Drill baby drill - on Mars
Another day another story and discussion by climate alarmists. How 'bout this story. Coal fueled power plant captures CO2 and turns it into baking soda. And it does so without government subsidies.
So much for that bit about we can't/shouldn't do anything about global warming because China isn't so any effect on our part is pointless.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Are you just jealous that the "uber-commie-corporation" of China is more effective at business, and more agile at taking advantage of new worldwide trends, than your corporations?
As Trump would say, they're just better negotiators.
Don't worry, you'll soon be protected by Trump so you can buy American solar panels. Just don't complain if they're twice as heavy and half as efficient (automotive sector I'm looking at you.) At least you can but genuine NAPA replacement parts.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
After your first manned mission to the Earth-like planet Venus:
http://www.space.com/44-venus-...
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
America invested trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan and as payback got Isis, thousands killed, tens of thousands maimed, and psychologically scared and more.
China wake up your wasting your billions and should. Be copying americas winning example.
They have one more weapon that you forgot: they down modded you for making sense.
Yeah, we should listen to that guy. He makes sense and will lead us moving forward. Onward soldiers!
The 10 child per family plan will help ensure China's fuel needs are met for the forseeable future. Remember parents, the unsuccessful children will provide energy security for the rest of us! :)
if you account for externalities like pollution, risk, defense, and so on. See Amory Lovins' research. That has been an economic tragedy from market failure of the last few decades. Markets don't work well when people don't pay the true price up front but can instead privatize benefits for themselves and socialize costs to other people. For example, some companies in the Midwest got cheaper electricity from coal, but I can't eat fish around where I live because they are contaminated with mercury from Midwestern coal pollution.
More evidence: http://www.pri.org/stories/201...
"A new report from the International Monetary Fund says global use of fossil fuels costs taxpayers and consumers $5.3 trillion year. Thatâ(TM)s trillion â" with a T. "
http://loe.org/shows/segments....
"The report's co-author, IMF economist David Coady tells host Steve Curwood how they calculated fossil fuels subsidies worldwide annually cost taxpayers and consumers $5.3 trillion."
The cost in human lives from wars in the Middle East over oil profits is another enormous part of this as is the consequences to geopolitics. How do you factor in the risk of (ironic) nuclear war over oil profits into the cost of oil? See also:
http://www.iags.org/costofoil.... (lowball)
http://www.energyandcapital.co... (highball)
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
In other words, roughly the amount of a single year's-worth of trade deficit between the US and China.
https://www.google.com/#q=us+t...
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Use more rhetoric. Use more insults, make the conclusions more dire, and make the deadlines for action seem nearer and less attainable.
Funny how the same people who constantly whinge about "Political Correctness" and how much we need more straight talk, turn into delicate flowers when that straight talk is pointed at them.
People who still in denial about climate science are delusional nuts. Full stop. There is an actual reality out there, and those who refuse to accept that should be marginalized and ridiculed, and should be given exactly zero voice in policy.
well this is good news.
however what is mostly meant when advertising "green" energy is nuclear. some nukeiests might even argue that nuclear is "renewable" as in: "will convert its own
excrement into usable fuel" -aka- the "breeder reactor".
let's see:
1 x 1 GW nuke, has one "owner", is same as
100 x 1 MW wind-turbine has one "owner" and each turbine is ~ 100 meters tall.
1 x 1 GW freaking large dam, has one owner, half of egypts aswan dam catchment and output would have 2'625 km2
3'000'000 (3 million) x 0.3 kw Solarpanels with potentially 3'000'000 million owners.
what is clear now is that one tiny foot print nuke powerplant delivers enormous amounts of energy. ...
what we also hope we can see is that this type of technology is dangerous, belongs to one owner that pockets all monies and that if
a "device" with a volume of say 100m x 100m x 100m can generate energy in quantities that other devices need enormous amounts of volume (wind or water)
or area (solar panel) for, that that device MUST have a waste stream that corresponds to the energy produced
the POTENTIAL of nuclear waste can contaminate 100km ^2 * pi area = 31'415 square kilometers that are dangerous to life and ... but that is a non issue ... errr CHINA!".
to carnivorous meat-eating humans and wind-breathing and water drinking animals and plants.
the wind flowing thru a wind turbine doesn't become toxic and the wate flowing thru a turbine doesn't become toxic and the fish need a place to live too.
and thus communist china will continue to favor fewer and fewer hands that hold the output-value of its production
for communist and nationalists Chinese because "we are spar
Don't worry, you'll soon be protected by Trump so you can buy American solar panels. Just don't complain if they're twice as heavy and half as efficient (automotive sector I'm looking at you.)
Are you an idiot? American companies make the highest efficiency solar panels in the world. That's a fact. They're more expensive, but that's changing. Look up the efficiency of sunpower's solar and then check out the efficiency of any chinese manufacturer. I'll wait.
People who still in denial about climate science are delusional nuts. Full stop. There is an actual reality out there, and those who refuse to accept that should be marginalized and ridiculed, and should be given exactly zero voice in policy.
You're right they should be put in re-education camps until they see the error of their ways. Preach on tovarisch!
I laughed at the weak who considered themselves good because they lacked claws.
You're right they should be put in re-education camps until they see the error of their ways. Preach on tovarisch!
No, they should just be ignored.