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Half the Work People Do Can Be Automated, Says McKinsey (techinasia.com)

Half the work people do in their jobs can be automated, according to a study published by McKinsey Global Institute. From a report: Instead of assessing the impact of automation on specific jobs, the study went to a more granular level by looking at the activities involved in various jobs. The logic is that every occupation has a range of activities, each with varying potential for automation. McKinsey found that 49 percent of the activities people are paid to do in the global economy can be automated with "currently demonstrated technology." That involves US$11.9 trillion in wages and touches 1.1 billion people. The study encompassed over 50 countries and 80 percent of the world's workers. China, India, Japan, and the US accounted for half of the total wages and employees. Not surprisingly, the two most populous countries, China and India, could see the largest impact of automation, potentially affecting 600 million workers -- which is twice the population of the US.

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  1. Threshold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What is the unemployment threshold going to be?
    When unemployment caused by automation, robotics, etc reaches 10%?
    15%...
    20%..?

    In the coming decades more and more people worldwide will become unemployable, and they will have nothing to do or any way to make a living?

    How are governments and communities going to respond?

    1. Re:Threshold by Lije+Baley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Go watch some of those thoughtful dystopian movies they used to make. It has all been well foreseen and described.

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    2. Re:Threshold by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're assuming that people won't find a different job their current job is automated. The days of working the same job for 50 years and getting a gold watch are long over.

    3. Re:Threshold by H3lldr0p · · Score: 2

      What do you define as a "job".

      Where does creative work like writing, illustrating, singing, etc go on that spectrum?

      In a world where even our food is largely automated, how do you compensate people and configure a fiat currency that doesn't crash every other year b/c of market greed?

      I'm not disagreeing with the second portion of your statement. Most stable work like that has gone by the wayside and only existed for a short time in the US. But by not having a social safety net for everyone, this kind of thing looks like it might ruin the US. Now is the time to plan for the worst and hope for the best.

    4. Re:Threshold by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Even U6 is down below 10% now, so unemployment isn't a problem right now. It will be fixed just like every other social problem: late, after it becomes a problem for so many people that they are willing to vote for it.

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    5. Re:Threshold by fropenn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Or, maybe we could all just work fewer hours per week. Which would leave more time for, you know, living.

      I heard a story from a friend who works with refugees. One family, he found a good job for the father, got them settled, etc. After a few weeks the father had stopped going to work. My friend asked the father what had happened, was there a problem with the work? Was it too difficult to get to work? Did they not like you?
      No, he said, it was none of these things. He stopped going to work because he realized his children were growing up without him and it was his responsibility to be home to take care of the family. Once that was accomplished, then he would go to work. This then, of course, led to conversations about having to pay for things you need for life and so on, but I think there is a grain of truth here.

      Life != work and there would be plenty of great living to do outside of work.

    6. Re:Threshold by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're assuming that people won't find a different job their current job is automated.

      You're assuming they will. It didn't happen with the industrial revolution. Their grandkids found other jobs, but for a lot of displaced agricultural workers it meant grinding poverty.

      IOW it may or may not happen. You don't know and there's historical precident in both directions.

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    7. Re:Threshold by OhPlz · · Score: 2

      That is often called "the world's first profession".

    8. Re:Threshold by iamgnat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But by not having a social safety net for everyone, this kind of thing looks like it might ruin the US.

      Why is it the government's or society's responsibility to support those that refuse to support themselves?

      There will always be a need for manual labor, at least until the machines rise up and successfully exterminate us. Every time there is a great advancement in technology we hear the same thing, yet we still have all kinds of work available for those motivated to do it.

      Those that truly can't learn new skills due to REAL physical or mental limitations should always get our help. Those that simply refuse to transition or look at certain jobs as beneath them deserve neither sympathy nor support.

      We can not halt progress and change simply because some can't/won't keep up.

    9. Re:Threshold by mjr167 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We create new and different jobs. 100 years ago computer programmer wasn't a thing. Now it is. The US agriculture industry died and was replaced by a manufacturing industry. Manufacturing is being replaced by service. As we start to eliminate service jobs, we will replace them. Perhaps artists will be profitable?

      Secretarial work has been dieing out as well and those admins have been moving into different positions. Same with travel agents. Now we have wedding and party planners.

      There are industries with a shortage of people. The economy is changing. People need to adapt. There is plenty of work. You just have to be willing to do it.

      John Adams said "I must study Politicks and War that my sons may have liberty to study Mathematicks and Philosophy. My sons ought to study Mathematicks and Philosophy, Geography, natural History, Naval Architecture, navigation, Commerce and Agriculture, in order to give their Children a right to study Painting, Poetry, Musick, Architecture, Statuary, Tapestry and Porcelaine."

      We do not want to hand our children our jobs.

    10. Re:Threshold by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      90% of the workforce was farmers in 1870. It's 2% now, with a total of about 10% of all work supporting that (chemists, GMO, shipping, irrigation, fuel for all this shit...).

      Economic growth is basically either "we have more people, so we make more stuff, because more people work more" or "we figured out how to use the same people to make the same shit in half the time, so we made twice as much shit." Wages essentially represent time.

    11. Re:Threshold by MooseTick · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Everyone is not creative. Everyone can't write, and most can't well enough that anyone would want to read it. Many can't sing, or draw, or express themselves beyond the level of a 3rd grader.

      Does our current "fiat currency" "crash every other year b/c of market greed?" Yes, there are ups and downs in the market, but I wouldn't call it a crash.

      And while I agree there needs to be a social safety net, people need to deal with change. This isn't a US problem. It isn't even necessarily a problem. All that said, automation isn't free. You can automate lots of jobs, but it may cost more to automate than it costs to pay someone to do it. Flipping burgers can easily be automated, but currently its cheaper and easier to train a 16yo to do it. They can also make fries, take out the trash, clean tables, and do other tasks. All that can be automated as well, but not cost effectively. Now, if we ever get iRobot humanoid style robots for under $100k, that will be extremely disruptive. That's likely at least a generation or more away though.

    12. Re:Threshold by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The same arguments hit in the19th century. Factories were scary! The Barron's of wallstreet and CEOs ruled. Illegal immigrants from Ireland , China, and Italy were taking all the jobs. Professional box makers, clock makers, textile tailor jobs were all disappearing! It was the end??!

      Or was it? It turns out without the industrial revolution we wouldn't have a modern lifestyle today. It sounds very similar to today. Replace ethnic groups and names of baron titans to ones today? Viola.

      True you do not have housewives as rich tailors making shirts anymore. You do not see professional box makers nor time keepers (before alarm clocks they would knock on your window to get u up) anymore. But we have cars, cheap goods, and the migrants descendents are all middle to upper class now.

      Goods will become cheaper as globalism expands these countries buy our stuff back as they enter middle class. Look at China? Japan was poor too. Now we make money off them. When the dust settles 50 years from now we all will be rich. Africa will be the last challenge. Everyone will be better off

    13. Re:Threshold by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's not people who refuse so much as who can't; and that doesn't mean automation will wipe all jobs away, either, regardless of what the doomsday predictors who fear the pneumatic air gun and wooden shipping pallet say.

      Wages are paid from revenue--from what's spent. Savings is made by keeping wage instead of spending, and spending more than wages means cutting into savings or creating debt. Wages represent labor time, and form the basis of price: if you need 10 hours of $10/hr work to make a thing, it can't sell for any less than $100 (although it can sell for more than that), else you can't pay your workers at all.

      There are a lot of weird economics involved; one of them is that the money transfer only supports so many jobs at a given time, and that trade and technical progress make temporary unemployment. Technical progress is the purer form: internally, new technology means some people become unemployed for a few months or so, and your unemployment bumps by 0.1% until the prices fail to keep with inflation and the consumers buy more stuff with the money they're no longer spending--which requires more labor, thus replacing the jobs. Trade resolves itself in 1-3 years generally, and causes more or less labor force growth--early or late retirement, grad school versus employment, birth rate changes, more or fewer immigrant workers (trade uses outsourced workers--sending money away, not bringing workers here), and the like.

      During these temporary transitions, some people can't get jobs. Some people need to be around when we suddenly need more laborers, but also will only work half the time as a result of our fickle economy and their happenstance place in it. As trade and technical progress increase the purchasing power of our same amount of labor, a smaller fraction of our income represents the necessary funds to support these people, and thus the general welfare; eventually, that fraction is smaller than the economic cost of not supporting them (e.g. if a transient laborer dies homeless, then you need to replace him by raising a child--a useless human being who only consumes for 15-20 years, providing no wealth of labor back to the economy during this time).

    14. Re:Threshold by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      A big problem is that the unemployment numbers won't manifest themselves as a problem until the very very end. So many people here saying "it's ok that company X provides a crappy job because it's better to work than not". Well that's true, but people who are working increasingly crappy jobs by necessity aren't being registered as unemployed. Recently in the article about Amazon creating 100,000 jobs I got modded down for suggesting that the quality of the jobs matter, but I think it is crucial that job quality be tracked because otherwise we're just masking the problem by creating a workforce of increasingly more desperate people, which gives the corporations more power while not registering in the numbers at all.

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    15. Re: Threshold by cyber-vandal · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think people still make violas

    16. Re:Threshold by Dragonslicer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But by not having a social safety net for everyone, this kind of thing looks like it might ruin the US.

      Why is it the government's or society's responsibility to support those that refuse to support themselves?

      Because the alternative is that a large number of people will be unable to feed themselves. And one of the major lessons of history is that when large numbers of people have no other way to survive, they turn to robbery or outright revolt. Some of us enjoy living in a modern civilization and would like it to remain that way.

    17. Re:Threshold by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      The greeks had primitive 'steam engines'. But it took advances in metallurgy to make the engines practical. Even in the 1800s, it took decades before boiler explosions were a solved problem.

      It was hard animal harnesses that did away with most slavery. Before that an ox or a human were comparable to draft animals in terms of work/food. Putting the load onto the ox's shoulders 'automated' the job of 'human plow puller' (yes I know, modern plows were another invention, I'm skipping steps).

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    18. Re: Threshold by plopez · · Score: 2

      The civil unrest it causes could make it impractical to automate to that level.

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    19. Re:Threshold by zifn4b · · Score: 2

      It's not people who refuse so much as who can't; and that doesn't mean automation will wipe all jobs away, either, regardless of what the doomsday predictors who fear the pneumatic air gun and wooden shipping pallet say.

      It doesn't sound like you're familiar with the work of Joseph Schumpeter. Creative Destruction is a real economic phenomenon. All you have to do is look at the history of the ice industry. You'll also notice that there are no seamstresses with wooden looms anymore either. Creative destruction is expected. In fact, one of the core principles behind real Capitalism is to encourage technological innovation. The purpose of technological innovation is to improve the quality of life of human beings. That's exactly what this automation is.

      One of the main reasons there is a raging debate about this in terms of what happens to jobs is because some people can't stomach the idea of us having innovative technology to the point that it doesn't require every citizen to participate in the labor force. This goes all the way back the puritans that originally settled in the United States. I'm referring to people like the Mennonites. One of their beliefs is that your labor counts for something in the afterlife so take away the labor and the whole belief system unravels. There really isn't any value in doing worthless labor for the sake of labor. What would a world look like where there is little or no resource scarcity and there is a limited need for labor. That's a pretty great world I think! It's the one the science fiction idealists of the 50's imagined. Why some people don't ever want to get here is beyond me.

      There are some people that think that it's noble to dig a ditch with a spoon when a free back hoe is available. There is nothing noble about that. It's pure stupidity. We have better uses for our time and energy.

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    20. Re:Threshold by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      The point is there aren't 4.9% of people unemployed because they are too lazy to get jobs; 100% of unemployment is essentially unemployable at the given moment because the consumers spending money and buying things aren't [capable of] buying enough to require their employment.

      This has to do with how people economize: they allocate means (resources) to maximize ends. That means they'll allocate time (labor) and money to maximize stability and amount purchased. People won't work 60 hours for 40 hours of pay (lower wages) so that other people can afford to purchase more and thus spend their money giving others jobs. They seek the lowest-cost goods, which stems from lower-cost wages (wage inequality) as much as it does from fewer labor-hours involved (technology).

      Ultimately, though, population still grows to the limit of economy, which leaves some people with partial unemployment--they on and off have jobs, they work less than full time, and they may have trouble actually surviving on that. This happens because, again, there isn't enough purchasing ability to require them: we aren't capable of paying their wages, thus we can't buy the things they'd make if they had jobs.

      Welfare basically preempts this by cutting a chunk of what we can buy away and using it to cover the stable point reached on what's left. Some people care because it's humane; others care because it's efficient (welfare makes sense to supply when we're more-wealthy supplying welfare than not supplying welfare).

    21. Re:Threshold by hipp5 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Go watch Star Trek : and see what WE could do when folks don't need money. Why the F*** does it have to be a dystopian future? Really?

      Agreed. Though to be pedantic, I do believe Star Trek's utopian world didn't begin until after most of humanity was destroyed in a nuclear-fuels WWIII.

    22. Re:Threshold by mjr167 · · Score: 2

      People actually pay people to fold laundry for them. Perhaps you should get out of your bubble. They also pay people to mow their lawn. Yes, I can paint my bedroom myself. But I would rather spend that time playing with my kids instead of yelling at them to not dump the paint on their heads. So I pay someone who has the ability to focus on the task at hand.

      Carpenter, electrician, plumber... All these things need done. When my sink starts dumping water into my basement, I *could* fix it myself. Or I can call my handyman and he'll fix it. Just because *you* have never looked for one, doesn't mean they aren't around or that other people don't value them. My office mate is so happy I gave her my guy's name because now shit around her house is getting fixed.

      We just paid a guy to bring lunch to the office. Because while we could go out ourselves, we didn't want to.

      Stop being so demeaning to the people that make life easy. They do important work.

    23. Re:Threshold by Thud457 · · Score: 2

      Because Republicans can't stand the thought that a Black man receive health care unless it involves giving him a placebo and telling him he's being treated for syphilis.

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    24. Re:Threshold by geek · · Score: 2

      So instead he sits on welfare so that I can work my ass off to provide for him and his 13 kids. In the meantime I have to explain to my wife we can't afford a second child because some lazy fucking refugee won't take his sorry ass to work.

    25. Re:Threshold by slacktide · · Score: 2

      When the dust settles 50 years from now we all will be rich. Africa will be the last challenge. Everyone will be better off

      When it gets down to it — talking trade balances here — once we’ve brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they’re making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here — once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel — once the Invisible Hand has taken away all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity — y’know what? There’s only four things we do better than anyone else:

      Music
      Movies
      Microcode
      High-Speed Pizza Delivery

      Plagarized from Neal Stephenson.

    26. Re:Threshold by wyHunter · · Score: 3, Informative

      Funny, it was a Democrat admin in power when the Tuskeegee experiment happened.

    27. Re:Threshold by zlives · · Score: 2

      the Frengi Lobby wholeheartedly supports your efforts

    28. Re: Threshold by lgw · · Score: 2

      How do you figure cost of basic goods is going to decline? Cost savings due to technological advances hasn't been passed onto the consumer ever.

      Cynicism is not knowledge.

      Food used to cost most of the household budget. Shoes and furniture used to cost so much that only the head of household had shoes and a chair. Most people couldn't afford flatware, or glass windows. The list goes on and on.

      In the 50s, the American dream was to eventually earn enough to own a washing machine, a refrigerator, and a television.

      Cost savings due to technological advances are always passed on to the consumer, eventually. Margins only get smaller over time until something is entirely commoditized.

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    29. Re:Threshold by fredgiblet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because that requires the people at the top to want to help the people at the bottom.

    30. Re:Threshold by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      As trade and technical progress increase the purchasing power of our same amount of labor

      They don't, or not by much. Most of the benefits are creamed off as higher profits.

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  2. Automated Post by asylumx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course half of human work *can* be automated (I'd wager even more than that) -- but isn't the question really whether it's practical to automate those things?

  3. The end of Capitalism. No Work No Consumers by emanuele_fanton · · Score: 2

    If I can't work I can't be a consumer. They (rich) had to change how capitalism work or move away from it!.

    1. Re:The end of Capitalism. No Work No Consumers by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why would the wealthy change how capitalism works? It serves them just fine! All they need is enough money to build a barrier between them and the starving and a way to import goods directly from other countries. Drones should be advanced enough to move goods from international shipping hubs by then, and land right in their compounds.

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    2. Re:The end of Capitalism. No Work No Consumers by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      The fact of the matter is, a family that holds 10% of the wealth of a nation will survive comfortably no matter where they are. In fact, having desperate workers will only serve them better. Look at the trends.. Uber, Amazon, a new progression in treating people like crap. Whether you like unions or not, this is the outcome of their erosion.

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  4. Sure.. my job can be automated by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My job can be automated as soon as someone can create some software that takes multiple sets of ill defined and incomplete specs* and can create a working, tested piece of code that not only does what was written down, but also does what was intended to be written down but never was.

    * And in my current line of work there is a set of specs from the final customer, a set of specs from the company that builds the hardware and a set of specs from the company** I am working for that supplies the actual automation. And all of these specs are ill defined and incomplete in their own ways.

    ** And within that company the group that designs the physical wiring doesn't really converse with the sales critters that bid on the job, or with people like me who end up writing the control software***

    *** Maybe they need a "Bender" module to emulate all the swearing I am doing at everyone else?

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    1. Re:Sure.. my job can be automated by Imazalil · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe it will be management that will be automated and for once we can all receive clear, though out, complete, realistic specs. /ha ha who am I kidding.

    2. Re:Sure.. my job can be automated by sinij · · Score: 3, Funny

      See, you think your job is to create software, when in reality your job is to interpret multiple sets of ill defined and incomplete specs.

      When automation overlords take over, the only thing you will be doing is sitting in meetings with marketing and sales and writing/interpreting specs.

    3. Re:Sure.. my job can be automated by s.petry · · Score: 2

      "I have people skills. What the hell is wrong with you people!"

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  5. So? by lucaiaco · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A stupid article. Almost everything can be automated, the crucial question is whether it is cost-effective to do so. It is not surprising that a lot of the activities that can be automated concerns workers in China and India, because in most cases, it's simply more convenient not to replace an $2/h organic automaton with a robot.

    Here is your anecdote. A friend of mine was working on the manufacture industry. They had a branch in India, and his role was to mentor the product manager of the Indian factory. For a long time, he insisted that the factory in India bought this expensive machinery that they had been used in the Arizona for their production. The factory in India refused to do so by showing that paying 10 people to do the same job, for 100 years, would still be cheaper than actually buying the machinery.

    Moral of the story: stupid article, move on.

  6. mitigating factor by buddyglass · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Automating things is itself work, and when a process or job changes it must be re-automated. If the automation wasn't done in a manner that's easily updated to accommodate minor changes, then the effort to "re-automate" something may approach the level of effort it took to automate it in the first place. So while lots of work may be automatable, the effort require to keep all that work automated on an ongoing basis incurs some amount of overhead.

    1. Re:mitigating factor by bluegutang · · Score: 2

      the effort to "re-automate" something may approach the level of effort it took to automate it in the first place

      Even if this is true (which I doubt - once you've solved a problem, it generally becomes much easier to solve related problems), the "re-automating" will employ a small elite of computer scientists, just like the original automating did. The millions of workers replaced by automation will not be benefitted by re-automation.

  7. Automated Writing by PackMan97 · · Score: 2

    It's already happening. Some sports reporting has become automated! http://www.houstonpress.com/ne...

  8. McKinsey by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And 90% of McKinsey jobs can be automated with a good bullshit generator

  9. Re:Automation techs and engineers by chispito · · Score: 2

    But the trend is definitely, if you don't use creativity or deal with humans in a interpersonal way, your job is on a short runway.

    I don't know, I prefer Alexa to some customer service reps I've encountered (but definitely not others).

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  10. Programming/IT will be automatable in 10 years by davidwr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I tell teenagers who want to go into IT or computers for a career to only do it if they really want to. If they are doing it for the high salaries, they are taking a big risk.

    You will still have a need for low-level customer-service work and high-level design/research work in 20 years.

    The mid-level stuff that your run-of-the-mill programmer and system administrator does today will be largely be automated.

    Hopefully, new, fun, decent-paying tech jobs that use similar parts of the brain that we haven't even thought of will fill the void.

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    1. Re:Programming/IT will be automatable in 10 years by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You should also mention to them that salaries depend more and more on living in a hot spot like Silicon Valley, and then you are more than likely to pay with expensive living and a long commute. It's fine I guess for a young single person but not for someone who wants to start a family.

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  11. Re:Shocking news by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

    I'd say half the work people do could be eliminated altogether, and few would care.

    There's a hell of a lot of bureaucratic make-work that goes on in this world. Examples: Laws so complex only lawyers can understand them, or tax rules so complicated only CPAs can understand them. Result? You've got to hire lawyers and CPAs. Or, middle managers at large corporations or in government that just shuffle around, create more paperwork, and enforce internal rules that perhaps made sense to someone, somewhere, but now just inflict pain on people beneath them actually trying to get real work done.

    And that doesn't even describe the fact that no one is truly productive throughout the entirety of a workday, with breaks that are stretched out a bit, or time spent daydreaming, or futzing around on Facebook when you're supposed to be working.

    I fully expect we'll be able to create plenty of make-work that only humans are qualified to do in the foreseeable future.

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  12. Re:U.S. political parties? by dhalsim2 · · Score: 2

    As a member of the American Solidarity Party, I advocate for an exploration of a universal basic income / citizen's dividend. It may or may not work, but it's worth exploring. Finland is currently experimenting with this.

  13. Re:s/half/all/g by arth1 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I for one would welcome a robot doing half of my work. That would be the half of my work that consists of meetings.

  14. More time on the interesting parts of the job by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This study says that for the average job, half of it can be automated (the repetitive part).

    Fifteen years ago, I would spend one hour writing software, then two hours testing it. Now the testing is mostly automated. I write code and when I check it in the automated system runsva bunch of tests. It then alerts me of any problems revealed by the automated tests. Automating half of my job has meant I can spend more time creating new software and less time testing, while producing higher quality because I never forget to run one of the tests.

  15. I got a different moral out of that by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    The moral of the story is you can pay people slave wages if there's enough of them out of work.

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  16. Re:s/half/all/g by uncqual · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately, that's the half that can't be automated with "currently demonstrated technology".

    Most "currently demonstrated technology" has a logical framework. Most of what goes in meetings has no logical basis. Ergo, it ain't happening soon.

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  17. Someone please think of the C students!! by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The work I'm actually most concerned about being automated is upper-middle class office work. Otherwise, unless the rules change completely and we stop using money and property as a store of value, economic activity will slowly wind down as people can't buy things and don't feel secure.

    I work and have worked in large companies almost exclusively over a 20 year career. In environments like this, you will always have a distribution of abilities and skills. However, doing IT systems engineering work, I tend to agree with this report's findings. There are tons of jobs that could easily be automated with a little work. In banks I've worked at, as an example, there are people whose sole job is to accept documents mailed and faxed in for mortgage verification, enter the information into a computer, and take a fixed switch...case type action based on inspection. There used to be tens of people processing checks on two or three shifts. These jobs and hundreds more are the equivalent of an assembly line skill level, just working with paper or electronic files. Outside of the paper-processing world are tons of questionably-useful jobs in sales and marketing -- things like coordinating trade shows and putting out press releases. Across the organization are things like liaisons, project managers, business analysts, and other jobs that simply involve taking information from one group and passing it along to another. Yet, these jobs pay middle class salaries and give average-ability people something to do, regardless of how much raw revenue or cost saving they add.

    I think a lot of the instability we see now is what's currently happening in companies - these simple jobs are either being eliminated or offshored in the desire for companies to save a few bucks here and there. The typical occupant of these jobs is a product of the last 30-40 years' obsession with sending everyone to college instead of giving them a trade or skill-based education. I went to a large state university, and back then just as now, they were pumping out thousands of generic business majors into the job market, most of whom were/are the typical C student partying their way through school. Here's the difference between then and now -- back then, that C student would just roll up to the career counseling office during their senior year. Recruiters from big companies would interview them, they'd get a couple offers, and accept some random entry-level position. Now, no one's hiring the C students and even the A and B students are having trouble finding that first job. (I was a B student, but that was in a hard science and I worked full time.) Fast forward, and that C student is working their way up the ladder with salary increases along the way -- paper pusher associate, senior paper pusher, supervisor of paper pushers, Manager of Bulk Pulp Transport, Director of Document Services...

    The problem now is that the ladder is broken for an increasingly large swath of the population. Once the career progression is gone, that kills the salary increases that occur over time and allow for things like buying a house. 30 year mortgages are painful in the beginning but are supposed to get easier as you age because your income is expected to increase. Car manufacturers can't sell cars to people who don't feel comfortable enough in their jobs to take out a car loan or spend a little extra for a non-base model. And, companies can't sell products to their employees if the employees are worried about whether the axe will fall tomorrow. This squares with everything we've been hearing about Millenials - they don't want a car mainly because they can't afford one, they don't want to own a home because they're not secure in their employment, etc.

    In my mind, this is why we got Trump. His rhetoric about rolling the clock back to the late 1940s was an easy sell for blue collar workers, but I think enough white collar workers took a hard look at their situation and remembered stories from their parents/grandparents about times when companies showed loyalty, when th

  18. Re: s/half/all/g by LinuxLuver · · Score: 2

    It hardly matters. 600 million under / un-employed people still need to eat. Without a universal basic income the depression and unrest this will cause will dwarf anything seen before by anyone alive since WWII.

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