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AT&T Denies Refunds For DirecTV Now Customers, Despite the Service's Performance Issues (techcrunch.com)

A number of consumers report they're unable to get a refund for their subscription to AT&T's recently launched streaming service, DirecTV Now -- something they've requested after being unhappy with the new service's performance. From a report on TechCrunch: According to several postings on AT&T's official forums, customers found the only way to get help was through a hard-to-find chat feature, and when they asked the AT&T reps about refunds, the customers were told they were not offered. Writes one user with the handle EIUdrummerboy, after attempting to get a refund via chat, the rep told them specifically: "We do not currently have a policy in place to offer any refunds."

88 comments

  1. and my dsl $50 rebate never arrived either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    AT&T are pretty much just crooks

    1. Re:and my dsl $50 rebate never arrived either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why my parents ditched DirecTV in favor of Prism the moment the AT&T merger was announced. They no longer have any accounts with AT&T as they're expensive and of low quality.

  2. It's still version 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have DTN. And yes, occasionally it freezes. But at $35/month versus my previous TV bill w/ comcast, well, I'm inclined to deal with a little freezing now and then. The service is still in its infancy and effectively at version 1. I'll endure a few months more while AT&T gets their footing. (jeez I sound like a shill)

    1. Re:It's still version 1 by webnut77 · · Score: 0
      I have DirecTV Now:
      • Requires Silverlight (which Chrome doesn't support anymore)
      • Doesn't support Firefox
      • Doesn't support Windows 7 (which I run, but it does work using Internet Explorer)

      I thought everyone was phasing out flash and Silverlight

      Everytime you click on the support chat button it prompts you to login even though you ARE logged in.

    2. Re:It's still version 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry.

      We only try to lower the standards every now and then to see where we can get away with.
      So - We are very pleased to see this policy is working.
      Thanks for your understanding and cooperation.

      AT&T.

    3. Re:It's still version 1 by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

      You'd probably be better off with Kodi and a subscription to one of the IPTV services. Hundreds of channels for less than DTN costs.

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    4. Re: It's still version 1 by rjr162 · · Score: 1

      No, it sucks. Period. No DVR, can pause live TV on Fire Stick/TV but can't fast forward or rewind, error 40 almost every time you try to watch in the evening.. junk. I dropped it even with the promo pricing and just kept my PlayStation Vue service running. While Vue currently has less channels in their $35 package, I can stream on up to 5 devices at the same time AND IT WORKS. The fact it has working features that would be considered standard anymore while DTN doesn't is also a plus.

      Don't let the shiny price fool you. DTN sucks, they've had enough time now to work the issues out and haven't. It's a beta.. or even alpha stage product that was dumped on folks with this great sounding price, but what in the hell is the point of even paying $35/month when it just doesn't work?

    5. Re:It's still version 1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DTN is an IPTV Service. It's ATT DirecTV's streaming offering along the likes of Dish Sling TV and PlayStation Vue, but unlike the other two it lacks basic features and spits out Error 40 at night so you can't even watch the streaming TV.

    6. Re:It's still version 1 by Jhon · · Score: 2

      DirecTV Now does not require Silverlight on IOS. It does not require Silverlight on android. It does not require Silverlight on my Fire TV.

      I was an original SlingTV user and I can say the trouble they had early on was worse than what I'm seeing on DirecTV Now. Except for the first 2 days. That was horrible.

  3. FCC Complaint by PRMan · · Score: 5, Informative

    As with everything AT&T, they only respond to FCC complaints. People who file FCC complaints HAVE been getting refunds.

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    1. Re:FCC Complaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Also file a complaint with you state's AG office.

    2. Re:FCC Complaint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or issue a charge back via your bank or CC for failure of service and false advertising.

    3. Re:FCC Complaint by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 3, Informative

      This first, file the FCC complaint, and this is also why I pay for these services with my credit card. You can do a charge back and block them from further charges with a simple note to your credit card company. It costs AT&T $35 a pop plus all the involuntary refunds. If a few million users did this, it would definitely get some attention at very high levels. Enough charge backs and the vendor may also lose their accreditation with that credit card (i.e. Visa/MC/American Express) which is a huge deal for them.

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    4. Re:FCC Complaint by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Yup - I canceled within 20 minutes of signing up because it was pure trash. They refused to honor the 7 day cancel anytime free trial period. I had to file a charge back and then fight FedEx to take the fucking AppleTV (which I planned on selling) back to the sender.

      DirecTV Now is shit, shit, shit, as are the assholes running the company.

    5. Re:FCC Complaint by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      If that fails, I can't help but wonder if you can just hit them with a small claims lawsuit and they'd instantly roll over and cut you a check. Even if they won, it's likely to cost them more just to send somebody out to defend it in court than it would cost to just issue you a refund, especially if you live in a state where they don't offer fixed line service.

    6. Re:FCC Complaint by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      What are they going to get done in five days?

  4. I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    in Seattle, and they sold quite a few customers that didn't have south-facing apartment in my two buildings. They knew damn well that anyone without a south facing apartment couldn't get DirectTV and even the people with south-facing apartments couldn't get it either due to a taller building to the south that was two stories taller than our own building couldn't either, but they still tried to hold them to a contract. Dial-up and ISDN are the fast connections we can get, but that didn't stop them from still trying to collect.

    1. Re:I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live on Capitol Hill in Seattle, and despite the fact I have a pretty great view, we still can't get satellite Internet. We're still stuck with ISDN.

    2. Re:I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building... by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Re:I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building...

      That is fortuitous. I'm in 310. The garage disposer is on the fritz and the heeter is out intermittently.

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    3. Re:I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My answer to them would be go ahead, make my day. Bring this case before a jury, and you will lose.

    4. Re:I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you always start these "I live in Seattle and only get dialup" threads? Then you reply over and over to yourself in the same thread. No wonder you are a maintenance guy. You are nuts.

  5. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are preying on our hope of faster than dialup.

  6. This is by design by wbr1 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This of course runs afoul of many countries consumer protection laws. And, any corporation this size has enough funds and legal staff to know this. It also has the ability to set up proper policies before launching a service. Even when rushing to be third to market.

    However, AT&T also knows that any punishment is likely to be a slap on the wrist and an order to comply in the future and is deemed an acceptable expense, and possibly lesser than the expense to set it up right, and respect customers.

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    1. Re:This is by design by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      This, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with "many countries", because AT&T does business in one. You can go away now.

    2. Re:This is by design by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      This of course runs afoul of many countries consumer protection laws. And, any corporation this size has enough funds and legal staff to know this. It also has the ability to set up proper policies before launching a service. Even when rushing to be third to market.

      However, AT&T also knows that any punishment is likely to be a slap on the wrist and an order to comply in the future and is deemed an acceptable expense, and possibly lesser than the expense to set it up right, and respect customers.

      So? It only matters if it runs afoul of one country's consumer protections laws: the US. AT&T doesn't sell Directv Now outside the US so while it's nice other countries have better consumer protection laws, it really doesn't apply to this situation at all.

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  7. Where Am I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this Slashdot or The Consumerist?

  8. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're so far north that it is hard to get a line of site site south to geo satellites.

  9. Gave it up before trial was over by asjk · · Score: 1

    I gave it up before trial was over, due to reception issues.

  10. We don't care. by whoever57 · · Score: 2
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    1. Re: We don't care. by antdude · · Score: 1
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  11. I hope I can spell "Epiphany" by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...the rep told them specifically: "We do not currently have a policy in place to offer any refunds."

    As a business owner, it had never occurred to me to present such a clever argument.

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    1. Re:I hope I can spell "Epiphany" by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      ...the rep told them specifically: "We do not currently have a policy in place to offer any refunds."

      As a business owner, it had never occurred to me to present such a clever argument.

      I can't wait to use that one on the next person that asks for a refund..."Gee whiz, we'd love to give you your money back but we just never came up with a way to do it...sorry!"

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    2. Re:I hope I can spell "Epiphany" by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, we gave our last refund to the previous caller.

    3. Re:I hope I can spell "Epiphany" by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, we gave our last refund to the previous caller.

      Reminds me of the Alaska Jack's company slogan: "We cheat the other guy and pass the savings on to you!"

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  12. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which we will never get. My 26.4kbps is so much better than nothing that I'm afraid to complain.

  13. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This. I have a pretty large yard to the south, but that still isn't low enough to the horizon to get DirectTV so I'm stuck with ISDN and per minute charges.

  14. If you didn't learn in the 90's... by Zurkeyon3733 · · Score: 0

    That AT&T is a crooked company, with all the billing scandals, then you DESERVE YOUR NO REFUND POLICY!

    1. Re:If you didn't learn in the 90's... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few years back, while cleaning out my moms home, after her passing away, the phone rings.
      It's some collection jerk attempting to collect a past AT&T bill from my mom's account.
      The bill was over ten years old and the total big amount they were worred about was three cents !
      Yes... that bill was three cents!
      The freaken AT&T jerk was wasting time trying to collect 3 cents from tens years ago !
      I had choice words with the ass-hole, called AT&T and insisted on a manager.
      They took a long time to lookup the account, after all, as they reminded me, it was an old account.
      I was told there wasn't anything outstanding, a perfect zero balance.
      Around the same time I had AT&T DSL with endless slowness problems.
      Evey call I made to tech support reached some dumb phone jerk in India.
      They always insisted on starting by, reboot the computer, reboot the modem, are cables connected...
      Really ? having run a multi hundred computer network for a long time I'm sure all that was taken care of before calling!
      I also had AT&T phones, cell, another DSL... I cancled all accounts as fast as possible.
      The 3 cents collection was the one thing I could never forget, it cost them a customer forever !
      AT&T sucks !

  15. We were all duped. by theendlessnow · · Score: 1

    It's not DrectTVNow, it's DirectTVNom (nom). It's tasty!

  16. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building.. by sabri · · Score: 1

    I have a pretty large yard to the south, but that still isn't low enough to the horizon to get DirectTV so I'm stuck with ISDN and per minute charges.

    Have you tried Exede internet?

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  17. Simpsons quote by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 2

    I tried to return my season ticket, but they wouldn't give me my money back. They said THEY wanted it.

    --Lenny

    As with everything in life a Simpsons quote captures the heart of the issue. AT&T will say that they *can't* give you your money back, but in reality it just boils down to the fact that they want to have your money more than they want you to have it.

  18. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building.. by r1348 · · Score: 1

    Now 47N is "so far north"?

  19. don't buy stuff on Day 1 by known_coward_69 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    it's 2017 and stupid people still pre-order expensive electronics without seeing it in the store, pre-order games that don't work cause of bugs or service issues for weeks at a time and now they sign up for streaming services at release without seeing other people's experience

    you get what you deserve

    1. Re:don't buy stuff on Day 1 by sexconker · · Score: 2

      As someone who preordered $900 worth of shit after taxes, for the Switch, I completely agree.

  20. i dont understand ps vue, slong tv or direct tv no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Other than sports, why would anyone pay much more than netfix, hulu, amazon prime, showtime, hbo, or stars to watch the same crap but with commercials.

    I just dont get it.... cable channels are just awful these days and these services have limited on demand content.

    Hulu with no commercials is a much better deal, amazon prime with showtime is a pretty nice deal.

  21. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seattle says that by 2025 we'll have fast access so your joke is not funny.

  22. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sawant promised 2033 so you are wrong.

  23. Credit card chargeback. by aussersterne · · Score: 4, Informative

    Go to your card provider (Visa/MC/Discover/Amex) and tell them to remove the charge because the service was not rendered and/or the charge was improper.

    They will.

    Once AT&T starts getting a lot of chargebacks, they will do something about it.

    I had this sort of thing happen do me years back in NYC with Verizon. I called to cancel, was given a confirmation # and everything, and was still billed again the next month. When called again, furious, the manager I was escalated to said that they could not offer a refund because they did not have that policy. I said I don't care about policy, give me a refund, and he said there was literally no way for him to do that in the system and suggested (of course) that I accept the service for a month, since I'd already paid for it, and then if I didn't want it next month, I could call and cancel [n.b. AGAIN] then.

    I hung up on him, dialed Visa, and had them charge it back. Of course THAT got Verizon's attention and a day or two later I was called by retention or some similar department to offer me a discount if I would stay on, along with a lot of apology garbage.

    I told them I'd rather eat a bug.

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    1. Re:Credit card chargeback. by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      i canceled after 3 months because direcTV was about half spam channels (home shopping & infomercials) and they said i had to pay for a whole year contract, i immediately called my credit card company and told them i lost the card and to refuse any future charges on it and send me a new card with a new number, that left directv out in the cold with a defunct card number so they cant rob me for a year's worth of payments

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    2. Re:Credit card chargeback. by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      What are you going to do when the collect agency starts calling?

    3. Re:Credit card chargeback. by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      Go to your card provider (Visa/MC/Discover/Amex) and tell them to remove the charge because the service was not rendered and/or the charge was improper.

      They will.

      Actually that was how things work. But I'm not so sure that this is how things are any more with credit card companies. And I speak from personal experience.

      Things definitely did work that way in the past, but they changed after the "Great Recession". I never lost a dispute until the Great Recession happened. Short version - I bought 2 airline tickets on a small foreign carrier and through various circumstances could not make the trip. I called the carrier and asked for a credit against a future flight or a refund. They refused both. I protested the charge with my credit card company. I provided evidence that the tickets were never sold to me as non-refundable and non-changeable and I mean I had real evidence to back this up. I had an attorney friend check out my submission and he expected me to win. The airline never provided any evidence that the tickets they sold me, were in fact, non-refundable or non-changeable. At every step the airline simply refused to refund my money or allow any changes. After months of disputing this with the airline never, ever disproving my contentions my credit card company gave up and refused to eat the charge and refused to demand that the airline give them the money back. They just told me to work it out with the airline, which was impossible because the airline's position was that the tickets were non-refundable and non-changeable and if I and my (at the time) girlfriend couldn't make it, we were simply out of luck and out of money. So I can tell you that if AT&T fights back, your credit card company may just give in and refuse to help you, their customer. It's possible that this is a small enough amount of money that they may just do you a favor here, but the days of credit card companies having the backs of their customers are gone for sure for charges that are more than a mere pittance.

    4. Re:Credit card chargeback. by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Sounds like how we ended up canceling our news paper subscription a couple of months ago. I wonder if most people just don't know about chargebacks so companies think they can just fuck over people and get away with it most of the time or if they just assume most people will just take it. Because of the ability to issue a chargeback and other protections I try to run everything I can through my credit card. It gets paid off in full, current outstanding balance not just previous statement balance, each month so it isn't like it costs me anything to use it.

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    5. Re:Credit card chargeback. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having eaten a bug or two, I agree.
      Your morals are in proper working balance sir/mam!

    6. Re:Credit card chargeback. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if most people just don't know about chargebacks so companies think they can just fuck over people and get away with it most of the time or if they just assume most people will just take it.

      You have to be careful with chargebacks. If you do it too often it can have a negative effect on your credit score.

    7. Re:Credit card chargeback. by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Between my wife and myself we have done a total of 2 in our lives. I find that there are only a few companies that need the screws put to them but the ones that do really need it. Like when I ended up taking an insurance company to small claims court for the fair market value of a totaled vehicle after trying to resolve it out of court for 6 months as the car sat in storage, paid for by the insurance company. The judge ended up excoriating them for not settling as I presented overwhelming evidence of the fair market value beyond just the KBB and NADA guide value and that their valuation was extremely dodgy as they were triple deducting things and using dissimilar vehicles. It isn't like I was even asking for some silly amount as KBB and NADA valued the car at $3100 and $3150 but insurance was only offering $1200. Then there was the collections agency that screwed the pooch and tried to collect a debt from me where only the person's first name matched mine.

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  24. Ditch AT&T by p51d007 · · Score: 2

    Yep, I ditched "Ma Bell" too several years ago. Had their DSL back in the day, and at&t as my cellphone. Dropped them both! Now, it's just a 50 buck charge for my smartphone, and the kicker is I get to use the at&t towers with my MVNO. Their coverage is better where I live than anyone else. Amazing, I remember "Ma Bell" being broken up in the early 80's and it's been a little over 30 years, and they along with Verizon, have pretty much gobbled up everyone else. Oh, if you were ever a fan of WKRP in Cincinnati, "Dr. Johnny Fever" can clue you in on how Ma Bell works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    1. Re:Ditch AT&T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but this isn't 'ma bell', it's one of the babies that grew up and ate mommy, several siblings and a bunchy of neighborhood kids; and we're all worse off for it.

      the old at&t.. the government-sanctioned monopoly pre-breakup at&t.. would be much better than this

    2. Re: Ditch AT&T by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      ATT is gone, the company bearing the name today is southern bell company, SBC. ATT split itself up and sold all the pieces, SBC bought the name.

    3. Re: Ditch AT&T by RubberDogBone · · Score: 2

      ATT is gone, the company bearing the name today is southern bell company, SBC. ATT split itself up and sold all the pieces, SBC bought the name.

      EXCUSE ME, but do not sully the name of Southern Bell so casually. AT&T as it currently exists is the renamed Southwestern Bell Company. SBC.

      SBC was not the same as Southern Bell or BellSouth. BellSouth was almost a beloved company in its territory, far more liked than any of the other baby bells in their territories. Unfortunately BellSouth got bought by SBC and merged into the trainwreck of AT&T.

      ALL blame for anything AT&T does deserves to be dumped in SBCs lap. But please leave Southern Bell and BellSouth out of it. None of this is their fault.

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    4. Re: Ditch AT&T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're comment would carry more weight if you got the name right. It was southwestern bell and yes they did buy the at and fee name. Its not like they are one big happy family though. There are still divisions inside the company that did little more than change the letterhead when the buyouts occurred and they are often at odds with the other parts of the company. It would be funny if it wasn't so damn hard to get them to fix things that require cooperation between them. Things like time sync and dns are still handled by the IT of whatever company they bought out. Locally the newer cell equipment 4g/lte isn't in sync with the older equipment edge/3g. Due to that sms messages often arrive out of snyc. Its would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic but after trying several times over a six month period I just gave up.

    5. Re: Ditch AT&T by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 2

      AKA Cingular, Cingular bought ATT wireless and the ATT name then promptly changed their name to ATT because Cingular had the absolutely worst reputation for customer service. Unfortunately they continued that level of customer service after the name change.

    6. Re: Ditch AT&T by Zak3056 · · Score: 1

      ATT is gone, the company bearing the name today is southern bell company, SBC. ATT split itself up and sold all the pieces, SBC bought the name.

      Someone else noted that you got the particular baby bell wrong, but seriously, how can you say "this isn't AT&T." It's a bunch of AT&T successor companies that merged back together.

      "It's not the Empire, it's the First Order. Sure they've got stormtroopers, and TIE fighters, and Star Destroyers, and evil jedi/sith with their red lightsaber blades, and yeah, they've got an even bigger death star and they're blowing up planets, their Vader analog is running around with Vader's fucking head in his sock drawer, but they don't have Bell Labs and Verizon, so it's obviously not AT&T."

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  25. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad CenturyLink hasn't decided to disallow us from getting Internet access of any kind.

  26. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building. by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

    Satellite TV can work just fine in Seattle... you just need a bigger dish if a dinky 18" round or 30" toroidal dish won't do the job for you.

  27. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

    (and/or... you might need to put the dish on top of a pole if you're on the low side of a hill. Yes, you CAN do that with a dish, just like you can do it with a terrestrial antenna).

  28. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We do not currently have a policy in place to offer any refunds.

    We've gotten away with disrespecting our customers before. Plus, the current anti-regulation attitude of the US courts and the incoming president means we'll soon be the fat cats getting the neo-liberal cream.

  29. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Almost 300 miles farther north than Toronto, so yes.

  30. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    North of the satellite?

  31. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in Fairbanks Alaska and have DirecTV.

  32. you know what AT&T / DirecTV dont tell custome by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    they dont tell new customers singing up that about half the channels with DirecTV is all home shopping channels! or some other sort if infomertials (spam) yup, that right when you buy DirectTV subscription you are basically paying them to spam you

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  33. Streaming sucks by edwartr · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I haven't asked for a refund YET; but was thinking about it. It is horrible. It only works with IE or Chrome and then only sometimes. It keeps giving a wrong browser page even saying only works with Chrome or Internet Explorer 11 - gives the error page when running IE11 or Chrome. Then, when it does come up in the browser, it won't actually start streaming - only timing out. I have Comcast internet and I have tried to use it everyday for a week; but it has only started streaming one default show ONCE and even that stopped after 2 minutes. So yes, it is a PoS right now, so wish I hadn't prepaid the 1st month and just taken the free month trial. Hopefully they will fix it in the next week or so. If not, then it will have to be one of those 'learning experiences' in getting bent over by AT&T which I should have already known.

  34. Probably going to get flamed for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had my issues with Directv Now service, but lately (within the last week or so) it's gotten much better. I pre-paid for the three months and got the Apple tV so I'm kind of stuck, but I think I'll probably keep it after that.

    I'm more disappointed with the Apple TV than I am with Directv Now service though. I absolutely friggin hate the Apple TV remote. Wish they'd get the Roku app going.

  35. Got a free Apple TV 4 basically by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so i'm not even complaining 105 bux 3 month of tv and the bugs are fixed im not even worried...

  36. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building.. by arth1 · · Score: 1

    Now 47N is "so far north"?

    Given that I originally hail from 70N, I see your point.

    But here, the "so far north" is only with the perspective of being able to get decent transmissions from a satellite that sits above equator. Which you should be able to - the size of the dish and need to be able to aim it closer to the horizon increase as you go north, but at 47 degrees, it's still doable.

  37. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now 47N is "so far north"?

    Pfft. 47N doesn't even get you to the southern part of the Great White unless you're in the Toronto area. You want to talk "far north", get yourself up around or even beyond the treeline first.

  38. Class action needed by ITRambo · · Score: 1

    A class action lawsuit is needed to get AT&T to pay up. No one individual is going to sue for a couple hundred bucks. Go get 'em lawyers.

    1. Re:Class action needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except you're probably under a binding arbitration clause that forbids a class action.

      Oh well, they bought the law, sucks to be you.

  39. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building.. by r1348 · · Score: 1

    I understand that some high-rise building sitting south of you might shadow you, specially if you live in the lower floors, but to me, as an European, it seems already weird that you have to resort to satellite internet in a city. I read in other comments of people still on dialup in freaking Seattle, and that frankly scares me. Is it possible that there's not market even for a DSL operator, let alone fiber? In Seattle?

  40. Re:Class action needed/Binding Arbitration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, when you combine "No refund policy is in place" with "you must submit your case to binding arbitration," you pretty much get a perfect storm of "fuck the consumer".

  41. Get a manager or supervisor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got the same crap from their chat reps till I finally kept insisting on a manager or supervisor. They called me back about 2 hours later, apologized, gave me a refund and let me keep the free Apple TV that came with their prepay 3 months promo. They can do it just not with the chat grunts.

  42. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Disregard this guy. He has some beef with the Seattle government. There are FOUR providers with 1Gbps fiber in Seattle itself. You can look it up yourself.

  43. Now just imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    being caught in the middle of all the suck, but you can't complain because your spouse works for the assholes... FML

    1. Re: Now just imagine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your spouse truly works for them, then why are you bothering with DirecTv Now ?

      As an employee, your spouse will get a pretty hefty discount on DirecTv ( the dish flavor ). Significant enough to make me wonder why you're paying for DTVN.

  44. AT&T has lousy customer support? by sabbede · · Score: 1
    No shit!

    Now that you know I'm being honest, we're talking about a phone company that doesn't even know it's own phone numbers. I can't tell you how many times their business support people have transferred me to non-existent internal phone lines, leaving me to call back and go through it all again.

  45. Re:you know what AT&T / DirecTV dont tell cust by EvilSS · · Score: 1

    Pretty sure there are none of those on the directv now service. Not that regular cable channels are much better content wise than rotating infomercials anyway....

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    I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
  46. Re: I'm a maintence guy in an apartment building by omnichad · · Score: 1

    But that would require a professional installation. And DirecTV only offers free "professional" installation.

  47. Repeat by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    From article:

    Another, who tried to cancel their 7-day free trial was denied a refund even though they cancelled within a week. (The rep told them they had to cancel by 7 PM EST, and the customer was on central time, making them an hour late).

    ...and this, ATT, is why having globalized and outsourced call centers, with machine making decisions that Humans can't override costs, more money than just fucking paying people to do a job and make rational decisions in customer service.