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Ambulances In Sweden Will Be Able To Hijack Car Radios During Emergencies (digitaltrends.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Digital Trends: The Swedish government wants to make it impossible to be caught off guard by a speeding ambulance. Sure, their sirens are loud -- but soon they'll be able to take over your car's radio. Swedish students at the KTH Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm have developed a way for emergency vehicles to transit radio signals to warn other vehicles of an approaching truck. It's called the EVAM System, according to Phys.org, and it's designed to send a signal over a specific FM radio band that'll interrupt music or radio and display a test message over the system's tuner display -- so long as the car is equipped with a Radio Data System (RDS). The number of crashes caused by muted sirens is on the rise, Florian Curinga, one of the students working on the project, said. That's because of improved sound insulation in cars. Emergency vehicles in Stockholm will begin testing the system this year. The EVAM System can also predict how far in advance the message needs to be broadcast, depending on traffic speed, according to Phys.org. It may also be helpful in warning drivers about upcoming accidents, the students added. EVAM will work on two-thirds of all vehicles on the road, Curinga said. All drivers need to do is have their radio systems turned on. If a message is broadcast then, they'll see it -- and hear it -- from the tuner.

161 comments

  1. This is stupid by Snotnose · · Score: 0

    Haven't listened to the radio in years, it used to be tape, then CDs, now it's a USB stick. I'm far from alone in this.

    So they're going to spend $$$$$ for something of marginal use. Unless they can take over my USB, in which case I'm screaming bloody murder.

    1. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just because you aren't a radio listener, doesn't mean other people aren't. Lots of Swedes uses car radios - it'll work for those. The ambulance then have fewer people like you to navigate around, and will get there faster.

      Lots of people already uses RDS because it is also used to warn them about traffic jams and other road problems. So this use fits perfectly.

    2. Re:This is stupid by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      What do you mean this is stupid?

      What you call stupid, I predict will become hours and hours of fun and laughter.

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    3. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No reason that a modern in car system could not be made to display and sound an alert no matter what source you are listening to (including none at all). No need to hack your usb stick, just have the system pause any playback from any source and alert you. Why would you scream bloody murder about a minor inconvenience that could prevent you getting a major accident?

      The utility of this is actually pretty high; I'm far more concerned with the obvious ability this provides for malicious actors to hijack your radio.

    4. Re:This is stupid by DickBreath · · Score: 2

      Years ago, I seem to recall an internet video. Was it Swedes listening to a car radio? I can't quite recall. Two parents in the front seats of the car. Two young girls sitting in the car's back seats. The video was a commercial for learning English. In the commercial, the two children understood the, um, shall we say, not so family friendly lyrics being played over the radio in English. The parents didn't understand the lyrics. The mom began to rock her head and snap her fingers to the music. The two children snicker at each other. Then the commercial fades to text that says Learn English . . . and name of a company that offers lessons.

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    5. Re:This is stupid by sexconker · · Score: 4, Funny

      No reason that a modern in car system could not be made to

      With the way automobile manufacturers develop and update their "infotainment" systems, in 10 years half of the manufacturers will get this into half of their lines, enabled in half of the trims for half of the models, and it'll only half work.

      Tesla will have a beta version next week, but will have to roll it back because it causes the car to drive into the nearest tree. Elon Musk will somehow blame both the driver and the tree in one fell tweet.

    6. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for providing the obligatory "I don't see how this would benefit me, so it's stupid for everyone" comment.

      I'm far from alone in this.

      How far? Would you argue that more people listen to music from a USB stick than to the radio? Any sources for that?

      Unless they can take over my USB, in which case I'm screaming bloody murder.

      Right, because not interrupting your Kenny G medley is more important than saving lives?

    7. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ambulance then have fewer people like you to navigate around, and will get there faster.

      I'm always alert while driving. I've never in my review mirror and thought OMGWF!?!??!!! WHERE THE HELL DID THAT AMBULANCE COME FROM?!? I have always seen an ambulance, police car, or fire truck coming well ahead of time.

      Additionally, if the difference between life and death is 30 seconds, you're probably a gonner anyways. Take it from a paramedic.

    8. Re:This is stupid by uffe_nordholm · · Score: 4, Informative
      It is not as stupid as you might think. Essentially all radios sold for use in cars today come with the RDS system as part of them, although it can be turned off. What this system does is give you some info: the channel you are listening to and so on. It also gives the radio the current time. But most importantly it also allows for interrupting _any_ sound source (radio, CD, DVD, USB....) to force your radio to play the voice message sent through the RDS system (I think it's broadcast on certain FM transmitters, so tuning in to them is no problem).

      These messages are usually only about the situation on the roads: places where there have been accidents that impact the flow of traffic on large roads and so on. And once the message is over, your radio reverts to whatever it was doing before the interruption. I find these messages very useful, even if most of them are not about the roads I am on: the one time I was on a road affected, I was able (thanks to being told well before I got to it) to take a detour around the site of an accident, and save myself an hour or two of sitting in a traffic jam.

      This RDS system can be turned off if you want to, in which case your radio will not play any of the traffic messages broadcast.

      Full disclosure: I live in Sweden. I also happen to love the RDS messaging system, even if I am rarely need the information provided.

    9. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems to be a builtin feature to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System presumably the traffic announcement.

      TA, TP (traffic announcement, traffic programme)
      The receiver can often be set to pay special attention to this flag and, for example, stop the tape/pause the CD or retune to receive a traffic bulletin. The TP flag is used to allow the user to find only those stations that regularly broadcast traffic bulletins whereas the TA flag is used to signal an actual traffic bulletin in progress, with radio units perhaps performing other actions such as stopping a cassette tape (so the radio can be heard) or raising the volume during the traffic bulletin.

      So apparently a built in feature of the standard that's been around a while. Though it seems it can only be watching this for one station at a time so it might be hard for the ambulance to broadcast to the right one...

    10. Re:This is stupid by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Haven't listened to the radio in years, it used to be tape, then CDs, now it's a USB stick. I'm far from alone in this.

      Same. That doesn't mean that my car doesn't get updates via RDS and display them on my dashboard while I'm rocking out to whatever is on my phone at the time. This is how most navigation systems in Europe including some standalone units currently get traffic updates. It's just a logical extension to a very actively used system.

    11. Re: This is stupid by backslashdot · · Score: 1

      Every car needs to allow its audio to be interrupted by emergency vehicles. I mean what happens when there are level 4 or 5 autonomous vehicles? They will need to recognize and pull over when they see flashing lights approaching or hear sirens. Non-autonomous cars can have the same sensors built on the outside to detect emergency vehicles and when it detects an emergency vehicle it should reduce volumes to a reasonable level
      and maybe say "emergency vehicle approaching from behind".

    12. Re: This is stupid by backslashdot · · Score: 1

      Tesla's safety record makes your crude joke fall flat.

    13. Re:This is stupid by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      If you're playing that stick through the car's audio system then it shouldn't be a problem for the system to flip over to FM and alert you.

    14. Re: This is stupid by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Please cite their safety record controlled against miles driver and vehicle age. (Hint: It's not great.)

    15. Re:This is stupid by dotgain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, if the difference between life and death is 30 seconds, then a paramedic getting to you 30 seconds sooner will make all the difference. Take it from a paramedic.

    16. Re:This is stupid by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Tesla will have a beta version next week, but will have to roll it back because it causes the car to drive into the nearest tree. Elon Musk will somehow blame both the driver and the tree in one fell tweet.

      That was Paul Walker, and it was a Porsche.

    17. Re:This is stupid by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      I'm far from alone in this.

      "Far from alone" != "Majority". Hell, it doesn't even equate to "significant minority".

    18. Re: This is stupid by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      And should we make it illegal to listen to anything that isn't RDS compliant? Will we start making phones RDS complaint, so if someone is using a phone (legally hands-free, or illegally hands-on) the calls will be interrupted as well?

      How about people like me that don't even hook up the FM antenna? My "radio" is used primarily as a display for the rear camera, and secondarily for music for long trips, through bluetooth or USB. Am I now an illegal? Does it matter that I drive a special-edition car that has no soundproofing, and thinnner window glass, making the inside about as transparent to outside sounds as a "regular" car with the windows down? (noise being why I never use the radio in town, it's just so hard to hear)

    19. Re:This is stupid by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      You may be "far from alone" but that doesn't mean no-one else ever listens to the radio. Plenty of people do.

      But I guess it wouldn't be Slashdot without at least one commenter extrapolating from their sample size of one (plus a few) to the entire rest of the population.

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    20. Re:This is stupid by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      So they're going to spend $$$$$ for something of marginal use. Unless they can take over my USB, in which case I'm screaming bloody murder.

      The student's pitch makes it sound like this is a government backed project. It is not. Right now, it's a student's project, and a potentially future startup idea, but nothing more than that. Whether this idea will be backed by the government is another matter entirely. Also, countries like Norway are already turning off analog FM broadcasting beginning this year in favor of digital FM. The UK and others will follow after that. Even if the AM band remains, this idea can not be implemented on the AM band which is designed to travel much longer distances than FM.

      As to digital HD FM, I have no idea how that works. Could such a project be able to hijack digital FM signals without revisions to the current digital FM standard? Maybe yes, maybe not. Perhaps, someone who knows more about digital FM could chime in about this.

      But like you said between USB music, telephone calls, 4G/3G music, satellite radio, AM analog radio, CDs, etc. Digital FM radio may constitute only a tiny portion of what people are actually listening to in their car. And one could argue that the problem with ambulances is not that drivers can't hear them/see them, it is that some drivers just act stupid when they hear/see an ambulance behind them.

    21. Re: This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the cities could stop wasting money on stupid shit and buy the paramedics some helicopters.

    22. Re: This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was a Dutch video from the Netherlands

    23. Re: This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This system was tested years ago in Holland

    24. Re:This is stupid by PPH · · Score: 1

      Why would you scream bloody murder

      Might interfere with the rhythm of my super eurobeat.

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    25. Re:This is stupid by schweini · · Score: 1

      RDS enabled radios usually have an option to pause any playback, and play the RDS stream.

    26. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      were i not too lazy to login, i would plus you to the max.

    27. Re:This is stupid by AaronW · · Score: 4, Informative

      You mean this one?

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    28. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nQ9lmriWOc

    29. Re: This is stupid by Snotnose · · Score: 1

      Helicopters are hellaspensive.

      Fun fact. There is only 1 news helicopter in San Diego, run by CBS8. The other stations buy footage from CBS8. Think about it. Have you ever seen SkyFox? The helicopters for channels 6 or 10? Nope. It's cuz they don't exist.

    30. Re:This is stupid by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Tesla will have a beta version next week, but will have to roll it back because it causes the car to drive into the nearest tree. Elon Musk will somehow blame both the driver and the tree in one fell tweet.

      That was Paul Walker, and it was a Porsche.

      To be fair, Paul Walker was the passenger in that accident.

      I imagine one's perspective of the value of everyone else getting the hell out of the way is in direct proportion to the likelihood he's a passenger in the ambulance.

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    31. Re: This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess >hellispensive was too subtle? High five anyway.

    32. Re:This is stupid by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      It is not as stupid as you might think. Essentially all radios sold for use in cars today come with the RDS system as part of them, although it can be turned off. What this system does is give you some info: the channel you are listening to and so on. It also gives the radio the current time. But most importantly it also allows for interrupting _any_ sound source (radio, CD, DVD, USB....) to force your radio to play the voice message sent through the RDS system

      Does it work if your radio is off. I rarely have the radio on. I will ocassionally turn it on for a few minutes on long car rides but almost never when in the city with traffic which is where this type of system would be the most useful.

    33. Re: This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      could it be because an older guy who buys an expensive sports car doesn't have the same risk of accident as the minivan family loser?

      quantitative statistics to explain qualitative things are only used by morons. morons like you. some cars are safer, some are not. some drivers are safer, some are not. there's nothing in a tesla that makes it Defective compared to another car with the same performance characteristics. people driving that car have no bearing on how safe that car is.

      you are a moron. go make a commercial telling people quitting smoking will give them a raise at work.

    34. Re: This is stupid by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Way back in the 1980's a road tunnel here in Oz would take over your car radio when you entered, the voice told you what to do in an emergency.

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    35. Re:This is stupid by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      I think Google Maps already does that when it's navigating, but that actually sounds useful if you're just commuting to work for example.

      We have a similar system in the US called Amber Alert, which broadcasts information on kidnapped children directly to your phone (amongst other things). It sounds great in theory, but then you realize that the alerts goes out to an entire state, and all 38 million people in California can be woken up in the middle of the night for something that happened 200 miles away. And since most people aren't on the road, it's pretty useless for them to receive it.

    36. Re: This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Swedes are notorious for already knowing English, dick breath.

    37. Re: This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Helicopters would be stupid. Where the hell would you land one? There's a reason you're a shitposter on Slashdot as opposed to something important, you know.

    38. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Additionally, if the difference between life and death is 30 seconds, you're probably a gonner anyways. Take it from a paramedic.

      Perhaps so, but if it's 30 seconds per car, the time will add up quickly.

    39. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as the radio is on, it will interrupt. I'm assuming here that they are using the Emergency Broadcast feature of RDS, which cannot be disabled, and always kicks in over the top of what you're listening to..

    40. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they're going to spend $$$$$ for something of marginal use.

      Considering that the summary states that it is a project by some university students then I suspect that your 5 $-signs are an accurate estimate of the cost.

    41. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    42. Re:This is stupid by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Most units will interrupt whatever audio source you are listening to if you have the RDS "announcements" function on.
      Handy for traffic accident warnings etc.

    43. Re: This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Won't that become an extremely dangerous "feature" once people start spoofing the signal for various reasons (such as clearing traffic, or sending someone into a ditch)?

    44. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It gets turned off pretty fast when the people running the system don't understand how it's supposed to work. Last time my radio was interrupted, it was a message about staying indoors due to a fire for people living in the other end of the country, who will be listening to a completely different regional version of the radio station.

    45. Re:This is stupid by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      The radio has to be on for it to work, it has to receive the coded FM signal to know when to switch channels.

      I usually just have my radio on, but muted if I'm just driving around.

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    46. Re:This is stupid by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Has everyone forgotten James Dean ?

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    47. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the audio system is off, you can probably hear the siren.

    48. Re:This is stupid by krenaud · · Score: 1

      It is not stupid. All cars our family has owned for the last 20 years (8 cars, 4 different brands) have interrupted USB/BT/AUX/CD when an RDS Traffic Announcement is broadcast as long as this feature has been enabled in settings.

    49. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? Of course it can take over your USB. That's how it works today with TP (Trafic news interruption).

      Of course with TP you can chose if you want the system on or off, I don't see the reason they should allow you to turn off this system though.

      Also how is it ever stupid to be able to better hear sirens of an ambulance that needs a free path? I mean the implementation will probably be that you can chose if you want it on or off , and you will be able to resume your playback at the click of a button even if you have the system on.

      But even if we ignore all that and make it mandatory, that every turned on entertainment system built into the car would be taken over to make you better hear the ambulance (and fire trucks). Just how can you call it stupid?

    50. Re:This is stupid by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      And what is your USB stick plugged into? Probably a car stereo, which (if you live in Europe) already has RDS.
      RDS has some handy functions, like the ability for traffic announcements to interrupt anything else you're listening to, including sources like USB.
      This can be switched on/off (look for RDS TA in your manual).

      Why would you be screaming bloody murder when this system warns you of an incoming emergency vehicle?

    51. Re:This is stupid by krenaud · · Score: 1

      Read the article, it says that most cars already have support for it. I imagine that they use the Traffic Announcement feature which is set to interrupt normal listening. I have used this function in cars from Ford, Volvo, VW, Toyota, Renault and Audi without issues. The last car I can remember using without this feature was my 1984 Mazda 323 with a factory mounted radio.

    52. Re:This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are right, of course. Since this won't help in every conceivable case, it's completely pointless. This is also why we should stop having ambulances at all, since sometimes they don't get there in time, and remove steering wheels, since sometimes people don't turn when they should. If something doesn't cover 100% of the cases, it's useless.

    53. Re:This is stupid by ruir · · Score: 1

      I have RDS in my car now for more than one decade. Though in the previous country I was expat it did not do any good.
      The thing with RDS is that is only transmitted in certain frequencies, and you must be listening to radios stations in that frequency for it to work, if I am not wrong.
      If I am, I would be thankful if someone knows better.

    54. Re:This is stupid by Builder · · Score: 1

      I don't listen to the radio either - my phone is plugged into the USB cable. However, when driving through the blackwall tunnel in London recently, my radio stopped playing my music and instead broadcast a warning (that was also being broadcast on speakers in the tunnel) over and over.

      So it's definitely possible.

    55. Re:This is stupid by ruir · · Score: 1

      The normal news in the radio or TV are mind numbing.
      They also do not have the wisdom in the radio to including regular updates about traffic to get my interest while driving. Anyway, the technology is making them quickly redundant.
      The music is also pretty insipid/bland and horribly commercial, and there is zero incentives to listen to that garbage...

    56. Re: This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dont think so or maybe they have dual receivers. When i have rds enabeld it always switch for me no matter wich source i have the stereo on.

      The only thing it wont do is enable the stereo if it is off

    57. Re:This is stupid by krenaud · · Score: 1

      My Volvo manages to interrupt for Traffic Announcements even if I am listening to a different radio station than the one broadcasting the TA. I have also seen this in some of my older cars, but not all. All cars however have interrupted other sources than radio if a TA is broadcast.

    58. Re: This is stupid by fisted · · Score: 1

      Yes, you're a very special snowflake. We get it.

    59. Re:This is stupid by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      If they mandate it then all new cars will have it. They did that with running lights, they are doing it with accident reporting cellular systems. The cost to implement it is extremely low, far less than those two examples.

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    60. Re:This is stupid by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Has everyone forgotten James Dean ?

      Rock on.

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    61. Re:This is stupid by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I've had RDS in cars since at least 2003. Several 100K miles driven. Not once, ever, have I received anything over RDS.

      Should a TA truly be able to interrupt radio playback I predict hackers will employ annoyance transmissions within days, making it the shortest lived feature/policy ever.

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    62. Re: This is stupid by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      If the weather is not right, you now have to deal with the consequences of a helicopter crash, in addition to (or as a replacement to) your original emergency.

    63. Re:This is stupid by uffe_nordholm · · Score: 1

      It does not work with the radio off. If you want the traffic announcements without having to listen to the radio (or any other sound source), there is one trick that can be used: turn the radio on, and choose some sound source (you could eg choose to play a CD, and just let the radio wait for you to press the Play button). Then turn the volume down to zero. Most radios with RDS have one volume setting for the "normal" sound, and another for RDS messages.

    64. Re:This is stupid by uffe_nordholm · · Score: 1

      In my experience, there are two slightly separate message services on RDS: one set of messages cover the large roads (think interstate in the USA), and another set of messages cover smaller roads. The messages concerning the large roads are broadcast all over the country, but the messages covering smaller roads are only broadcast in the appropriate county. This may be wrong, but it is what I have experienced from driving long distances once or twice a year for the past 10-15 years.

    65. Re: This is stupid by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      As someone helpfully pointed out above, it was a Dutch video.

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    66. Re: This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [citation needed]

    67. Re:This is stupid by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      But I guess it wouldn't be Slashdot without at least one commenter extrapolating from their sample size of one (plus a few) to the entire rest of the population.

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    68. Re:This is stupid by dave.haku · · Score: 1

      Tesla will have a beta version next week, but will have to roll it back because it causes the car to drive into the nearest tree. Elon Musk will somehow blame both the driver and the tree in one fell tweet.

      That escalated quickly.

    69. Re:This is stupid by turp182 · · Score: 1

      Fantastic video, in fact the lyrics pop into my head from time to time and bring a smile to my face.

      Interestingly, my kids are doing French immersion school, and I don't speak French. I expect something similar might happen to me in a couple of years.

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    70. Re:This is stupid by Cederic · · Score: 1

      An option I always disable. The RDS stream was unfeasibly rarely useful that it's not worth the distraction.

      Surely a better answer is to just prosecute drivers that are too fucking stupid to realise that there's an emergency vehicle right behind them, they're in the way and everybody else has already made room.

    71. Re:This is stupid by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Can you guarantee it will only ever alert me to emergency vehicles that I may otherwise obstruct? Because if not it's actually fucking dangerous, causing an unnecessary distraction let alone the incentive to ram the annoying fucking vehicle making all the fucking noise.

      I don't like sirens.

    72. Re:This is stupid by schweini · · Score: 1

      Well, according to the RDS standard, there are different RDS channels and priorities. There's even one for 'catastrophes'.

      And, while I agree that drivers should put more attention on what's happening around them, as the article states, the really good sound insulation of modern cars does reduce the effectiveness of ambulance's sirens. So IMHO, this RDS 'hack' could really help a bit.

    73. Re: This is stupid by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Lots of people are exceptions. The mechanism given only works if the radio is on and tuned to FM. By a strict reading of the mechanism, AM (popular in the US) would prevent operation of RDS. As well as the growing number of people who play music from devices without using FM.

      That I'm only one example doesn't mean I'm special. I see around 1% of drivers in the morning with headphones on. One would assume they aren't using their car's FM radio with headphones.

    74. Re: This is stupid by fisted · · Score: 1

      It's a no-brainer if you think about it. If enough people do have a RDS-enabled stereo with an actual antenna hooked up to it, most of them will get the warning. That means that a good portion of the cars in front of you will slow down/form a passageway/drive onto the shoulder/whatever. I'd say seeing that happen in front of you *might* give a subtle hint that something's up which in turn *might* be sufficient motivation to briefly shift your attention from the smartphone to the rear mirror to notice an oncoming emergency vehicle at which point you can consider the out-of-band RDS warning delivered. :)

      Those people driving with headphones? They don't have an aux-in jack on their car stereo.

    75. Re:This is stupid by ruir · · Score: 1

      It wont be slashdot without idiotic answers like yours. Wise up, it is not the 90s anymore.

    76. Re: This is stupid by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Have you ever driven? If 80% of the drives in front pulled over, the 20% who didn't would pull into the open space and floor it. I've seen lots of people cut off or tailgate emergency services. I've pulled over, completely off the road, and stopped before an intersection, so I left it clear for the approaching fire truck. The person behind me pulled in behind me, but failed to stop completely, and hit me. He saw the truck, pulled over, and slowed, but missed the car in front, and managed to hit me.

      Perhaps you drive on different roads, where drivers are polite and attentive. But that's not the roads I've driven. And yes, I've driven in Europe, though not Sweden.

    77. Re:This is stupid by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should wise up to the fact that not everyone is like you, wants to be like you, or should aspire to be like you. People listen to radios in their cars in their millions. Complaining that it's "not the 90s" any more won't do anything to change that fact. Other people have different opinions about things to you. Sounds like you have a problem with that, for some reason.

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    78. Re: This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps they can take over your aux connection also. It's not entirely clear if you just need to have your car stereo powered on, or if you actually need to have FM radio playing at the time. Seems more likely that the system is always listening and plays the message regardless of which input option you have currently selected.

    79. Re: This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First of all, old news! It seems the Dutch have a head start on the Swedes.
      http://www.flister.nl

      And since the Swedish system is supposed to work on RDS, even those who are listening to CD, USB, or whatever media, they would still be warned by their RDS enabled in car sounds system.
      Hence the assumption that two thirds of drivers would be warned that way.

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    This thread has been hijacked by a frist post!

  3. Countdown till... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    you can buy one of those devices on a Chinese website for $20 with free shipping so that someone can broadcast a message to the car behind them that they need to stop tailgating.

    1. Re:Countdown till... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! I know! Let's broadcast messages over the air! I know! We'll call it ADS-B!
      WTF. It's like, "Welcome to computer security radio amateurs! Please, pull up a seat and take a lesson about strong authentication and fingerprinting"

      Who the hell are making these systems? Babies?

    2. Re:Countdown till... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The message I want it to turn of your goddamned high beams.

    3. Re:Countdown till... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Sounds useful. Got a link for this?

      [searches]

      Something like this.

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  4. You are the dancing queen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Young and keen, only PULL OVER.

    ATTENTION, PULL OVER.

    You can dance...

  5. And it won't ever get hacked by sandbagger · · Score: 1

    That's a promise.

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    1. Re:And it won't ever get hacked by DickBreath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gee, if you can display text on the radio's display, or the car's infotainment system, could there possibly be any weakness in individual implementations?

      Maybe the police should lobby to have certain texts that signal all nearby cars to cut engine power.

      Because terrorists.

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    2. Re:And it won't ever get hacked by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Gee, if you can display text on the radio's display, or the car's infotainment system, could there possibly be any weakness in individual implementations?

      I don't know. Am I hacking your right now through this textbox? Because this text is displaying on your computer RIGHT NOW!

    3. Re:And it won't ever get hacked by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      RDS radios have been installed in pretty much every car radio in western Europe for what? 10 years? 20 years? Hacking may be possible, but it hasn't been an issue so far, probably because there isn't much that can be done, except provide a minor inconvenience to drivers.

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    4. Re:And it won't ever get hacked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Hacking is possible. The encryption is a joke; 2) while it's probably going to be as harmless as someone spamming "Never gonna give you up, never going to let you down... in the RDS field someday, that's only because someone hasn't looked for and found flaws in specific car implementations.

    5. Re:And it won't ever get hacked by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      You are making assumptions about the implementation of the User Agent with which I read Slashdot.

      Suppose that when you used the capitalized words RIGHT NOW, that the following text would be silently executed as a command due to a bug or deliberate programming vulnerability. Now imagine that a similar bug or vulnerability exists within the car radio when displaying text. Maybe it has a format injection bug. Or some undocumented markup language that it supports, which was poorly implemented with a vulnerability.

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    6. Re:And it won't ever get hacked by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Well I'm sure if there were major weaknesses with which we could exploit these systems we'd have found them by now. After all we've only been able to write text to radio displays for a good 20 years now.

      You made the same mistake as everyone else posting alarmist ZOMG TEH HACKERS bullshit, that this is new and doesn't use an existing system.

  6. Stau Report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have something like this in Germany to announce traffic backups. It's annoying as fuck.

  7. Sigh. by ledow · · Score: 0

    Perfect way to distract a driver with something they've never seen before, just as they need to not be distracted.

    1. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't sound much different from the emergency broadcast system in the U.S., other than it being localized to just the immediate area around an emergency vehicle.

    2. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they have traffic information switched on, then they're entirely used to it. Because it's just like traffic information. |
      If they don't have it switched on, it won't work.

      So no surprise.

    3. Re:Sigh. by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perfect way to distract a driver with something they've never seen before, just as they need to not be distracted.

      This is off on several levels.

      a) Getting data based updates through the radio is not something drivers have never seen before. It's actually pretty damn common.
      b) What do you mean with just as they need not be distracted? Distracted from what? From the thing they aren't paying attention to, can't hear and can't see in the first place? I actually have an app on my phone which while providing local traffic info also provides me notification of incoming emergency vehicles including a little radar screen showing where they are coming from. It's a great advanced notice that I get long before I see a siren so I know when to expect a vehicle to whizz past or borderline rear end, or undertake, or cut down the breakdown lane etc.

    4. Re:Sigh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, sorry. You're an idiot. Please wait until humans are replaced with robot drivers, because you really need to be replaced. You are a distracted driver.

    5. Re:Sigh. by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      a) Getting data based updates through the radio is not something drivers have never seen before. It's actually pretty damn common.

      Perhaps where you are, but certainly not where I am. I have never seen such a system -- I didn't even know there was such a thing until I read this article.

    6. Re:Sigh. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      It's common in most of Europe. Even my last 15 year old (I think it would be now) beater had a button on the radio to display traffic delays on the dashboard in a sequential list. The ancient GPS unit which predated displaying maps in cars could route around problem routes even then.

      Unfortunately much of the rest of the world relegated RDS to just displaying the station name on the radio which is a colossal waste of technology.

  8. What could possibly go wrong? by DickBreath · · Score: 0

    An FM radio signal is broadcast? It silences nearby car radios and displays a message in the cars? What could possibly go wrong. I can't see any potential problems with this plan. No, nosiree.

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    1. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Wait to local gov's, city, state and national bureaucrats around the world get to try this.
      You will be in "insert city name" in 25 minutes.
      Welcome to the city of "insert city name"
      Thank you for visiting "insert city name"...

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    2. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You're just being facetious because you've never seen RDS before. We've had this system for a good 20 years in Europe. It's just a new application of it.

    3. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you aren't going to spend a single brain-cycle to think how this 'new application' itself could be cause for abuse just because the base idea (RDS) has existed for '20 years in Europe'...your arrogance that anything in use in Europe is 'better' or 'incorruptible' is palpable.

      We have RDS in NA too, its not anything special to Europe.

      I was going to go in to a long winded response as to how easily this could be abused IF it has no security but rather than that I point you to the following:

      https://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-usa-07/Barisani_and_Bianco/Presentation/bh-usa-07-barisani_and_bianco.pdf

      So, someone has already created a device to cause havoc over RDS-TMC for 'sat nav'. Luckily 'sat navs' are not exactly common place in vehicles. But FM radio is & once the social engineering involved in the proposal in the summary is embedded in society how long do you really think it will be before someone uses it for 'bad things' (TM). As it exists today if some noise came over my radio with text on the display about some incident or on coming 'emergency vehicle' I'd be checking all over the place before reacting to it, but once people are trained to react to it as 'proper social behavior' then its ripe for abuse.

    4. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but you forget: Americans are much bigger jerks than Europians. See: /.

    5. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by ruir · · Score: 1

      RDS here does little much more than tuning me into a station that I am tuned that supports RDS when in the hourly news they talk slightly about traffic. Pretty much useless in my 20-minute daily commute around the city.
      If it happens for the times to overlap, and I hear about a traffic jam, by the time I hear it, I am already pretty much in the middle of it.

    6. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      RDS here does little much more than tuning me into a station that I am tuned that supports RDS when in the hourly news they talk slightly about traffic

      For you maybe. Last time I drove in Sweeden my car picked up traffic updates and road blocks via RDS and the GPS mapped around it accordingly accordingly. I can also push a button on my radio to get a current list of traffic congestions on my dash. No listening to news required.

    7. Re:What could possibly go wrong? by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Not just Europeans, sir. But everyone else in the world. America is number one.

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  9. Yawn .... by whoever57 · · Score: 1

    so long as the car is equipped with a Radio Data System (RDS).

    So this is just another application of RDS? This is just using an existing system for the purpose that it was designed, with the slight modification that it is installed on an ambulance?

    Film at 11.

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    1. Re:Yawn .... by I4ko · · Score: 1

      S you are saying I can take all patents that end with "on a computer" and "on the internet" change those words to "on an ambulance" and patent them again? Oh the giggles.

  10. Previously by avandesande · · Score: 1

    Emergency workers have been hijacking sound waves with sirens... the nerve!

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    1. Re:Previously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make the damn sires louder. It's a much simpler solution.
      I live near a hospital, the sirens don't bother me. A few years ago they built a town home complex right next door to the hospital. Literally 20 feet from building to building. The new residents started complaining about the sirens so they had to change them to quieter ones. With my windows down and no music playing the sires are inaudible a block away now. I've seen numerous close calls when cars pull out in front of them because they had no idea an ambulance was coming.

      Make the sirens loud enough so there is no doubt one is coming.

    2. Re:Previously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make fewer distracted drivers.

    3. Re: Previously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck selling everyone on "quit fuckin."

    4. Re:Previously by DrHyde · · Score: 1

      What a brilliant idea, deliberately do even more damage to the hearing of those of us who wear hearing aids.

  11. 20 Years too late... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clever, to develop this when the world starts to turn off FM to get the wavelength for digital... where this won't work...
    Oh well...

  12. Why not just make the siren louder? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And direct it generally forward (instead of omni) and with more bass?

    In addition, install hydraulics in the ambulance so they can jump and hop. And some gold plated spinner rims. All that always seems to get attention. Arm the ambulance driver with a military grade pistol he can point out the window at others sideways, and they will have no problem getting people out of the way. Might even pick up a few they wouldn't have otherwise.

  13. Finally! by bob4u2c · · Score: 1

    Oh the fun I can have with this!

    Now I can tell other drivers exactly what I think of their driving skills over their radio; because you know this is going to be hacked in like an hour after the first one is sold.

    1. Re:Finally! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      because you know this is going to be hacked in like an hour after the first one is sold.

      You may be a bit off. The system has existed for 33 years and it hasn't been hacked or used for fun yet.

    2. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that you'd need to override EVERY FM frequency! A bit much for even the casual pirate radio operator. This is a bad thing unless you want to be thrown in jail by the FCC. (Emergency vehicles can just say someone's life was at stake and get away with it.)

    3. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHOA there it HAS been hacked (https://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-usa-07/Barisani_and_Bianco/Presentation/bh-usa-07-barisani_and_bianco.pdf) at least in use in 'Sat-NAV', but I trust the security of standard RDS isn't any better.

      That it hasn't been 'abused' yet is perhaps more a function of it not being expected to be used to transmit 'emergency information' that people will react to. But once that is expected & the social engineering done to get society simply to expect it & react to it in their driving behavior its ripe for abuse. Seeing a message pop up on my radio something to the effect of "You're a crappy driver!" might be shocking & then funny but not exactly dangerous. But once we're trained to react to emergency messages of the form 'Emergency Vehicle approaching from the rear' or something like that, its easy to see how that can be abused to cause a SERIOUS accident (by transmitting different/incorrect messages). You can react to sirens & lights pretty damn easily in identifying where they are coming from & what to do (e.g. you can easily locate the siren or flashing lights from visual/auditory clues, if you can't its not something to be concerned with), but a message that can't be easily identified from where it is coming from CAN cause serious problems.

    4. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you only need the frequency the RDS tuner is listening on.

      We are talking about using the existing RDS system, not about overpowering the radio transmissions.

  14. Accidents because driver got scared by iTrawl · · Score: 1

    Careful what you play over that radio. If it's sudden and noisy, a jumpy driver might swerve and actually cause an accident.

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  15. Just my 2c by capebretonsux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This sounds like a waste of money and likely not that effective. What could work, perhaps, is if you put a dashcam on the ambo and use plate recognition for those assholes who don't make way and simply forward the videos to the police for the application of a heavy fine. Do it enough times and not only would you generate revenue, but those who have to pay the tickets will either learn expensive lessons or not be able to afford a car anymore. Win-win!

    Even though it's for a good reason, I cringe every time I hear something about 'taking over' what's mine, bought and paid for. The root cause of this is bad driving habits, not lack of communication. If a driver doesn't notice the flashing lights and siren they aren't operating the damn vehicle properly, IMO.

    1. Re:Just my 2c by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Oddy they already have a tool for this it's called a microphone. I've ridden in the front seat of an ambulance in city traffic it's a mix of people that are unsure where to go like taking a left-hand turn through a red to let and ambulance behind him through. I don't see this solving that. I watched as a traffic cop made us stop, the crew in the backhoe made room and let us through while yelling at the cop. That's all on a single ambulance run with full lights and sirens.

      Other simple things can help like lights that respond to ambulances (easy to hack BTW) but political turf wars stop ambulances from getting access.

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    2. Re:Just my 2c by Knightman · · Score: 1

      You seem to miss the point entirely (which most slashdotters tend to do).

      How do you propose the dash-cam make the ambulance reach an accident faster?

      You talk about waste of money - so I have to ask you, what is a life worth in your opinion? Because if the system saves lives, is it still a waste of money?

      And before complaining about "taking over", FFS read up on what RDS is (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System), And if you are driving in a car it is your frickin responsibility to make use of any information available to get as a complete picture you can of the traffic situation so you can drive safely. If you think it's an undue burden to have your music interrupted by a message that can save lives please sell your car.

      And you couldn't even get the thing about bad drivers right, one bad driving habit is LACK OF COMMUNICATION! You know like . . . eye contact! Or using the turn signal! Or being oblivious to the traffic around you because you can't hear it over your stereo blaring.

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    3. Re:Just my 2c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel like "megaphone" would be clearer.

      I was taught a siren's mandate is to try and make your way to the shoulder or, if already stopped, stay stopped. This is generally dandy for my open, suburban town, but I suppose things hit the fan quickly in a metro gridlock.

    4. Re:Just my 2c by capebretonsux · · Score: 0

      Changing poor driving habits by heavy fines over time is the idea, speaking of missing the point. Funny you brought up eye contact, when the solution for the driver not having this RDS radio turned on is to make a flashy thing on the display that takes the driver's eyes off the road when the ambo is rapidly coming up behind you. But you seem to know everything... distracted driving laws and the like, pshaw! You're right. Do you have to actually look for the turn signal when you drive? I hope your commute isn't near me.

      Maybe you're just trolling, maybe you're not, but you seem awfully aggressive about this. Normally I don't feed the likes of you.

      What's a human life worth? I dunno, go ask an insurance adjuster.

    5. Re:Just my 2c by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That's not the problem it is trying to solve. Through no fault of their own, sometimes people don't hear ambulances until they are close by. There is also an effort to reduce siren usage to when it is really needed, to avoid disturbing people who live near hospitals or along the roads they often use.

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    6. Re:Just my 2c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yepp using a vidley used system that has worked well for 20+ years. That everyone have in their cars how could that ever become efficient.

      Becus that is what the article is about. RDS is in 98%+ of the cars in sweden just cars made before 1980 wont have it. And yes most people use the system already. The only new thing is that ambulances get to use it much mor local with a weaker transmitter.

    7. Re:Just my 2c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Not letting ambulance" is not a problem in europe. I have not ever seen anyone intentionally not giving way to ambulance.

      The problem they are trying to solve is "not noticing".

  16. How many crashes due to insulation? by Alok · · Score: 2

    So, the article claims that 'number of crashes due to muted sirens (because of sound insulation) is on the rise'. That's a claim with no numbers behind it, what is this increase in accidents per year - 10? or 10,000? In the latter case, I can see a justification for this research with the (unfortunately not too safe) assumption that people do use their radios often. However it just as likely to be the first case of trivial increase, which might as well be due to higher traffic!, but is used to justify an expensive study for some PhDs.

    1. Re:How many crashes due to insulation? by F.Ultra · · Score: 1

      According to https://www.vardfokus.se/webbn... there have been roughly 50 ambulances involved in accidents since 2010, so roughly 11 accidents per year. How many of these where caused by people not paying attention to the ambulance or not it does not say, also it does not say anything about collateral crashes since it only lists the amount of actual ambulances that have crashed.

  17. Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just wait until the RF crew figures this out and starts rickrolling motorists.

    Personally, I'd just broadcast one of those 10 hour loop of trololo.

    1. Re: Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since they use a system that have existed for 20 30 years the rf amatuers could have done that a long time ago and no it dont hace any real security. And this application does not lead to any new exploits.

      In 18 years that i have been driving with this system i have not heard a false brodcast once.

      And i dont think letting rescue personal use it will change that at all.

  18. So... like Tunnel Transmitters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of the tunnels here in Australia and I am sure in other places around the world have been able to hijack FM Radio Signals for warnings/emergencies, for some time now. How is this any different? A Mobile Tunnel Transmitter that broadcasts to the cars nearby doesn't sound all that ground breaking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_transmitter

  19. Easy. by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

    Raspberry pi, no additional hardware required. $35.00USD out the door. OOOOOhhhhhhhhhhh your a government?! I meant to say 3500000/ each. My mistake.

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    1. Re:Easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... say 3500000/ each ...

      That is slightly ambiguous; it could be $3,500,000 or a mis-typed $35,000.00

      It's strange that socialist countries don't allow (defense contracts excepted), the pork-barreling that 'small government' countries happily accept. Another reason why 'small government' doesn't work.

  20. ok... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not a long term awnser the way tech is going and in cars. perhaps a local alert for cells and onboard displays in cars much like ambers and such.

  21. I can hear the zombie warnings already... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some one will figure out how it's done and broadcast zombie warnings or personal advertisements as you drive by.

    1. Re:I can hear the zombie warnings already... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be great to warn other drivers about their reckless driving...

  22. I can do this now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With a cheap FM transmitter from ebay or Amazon and an MP3 of siren sounds (Audacity), I can tune to any station and play a siren. The broadcast will overwhelm stations for a 200 meter radius.

    Just because it can be done does not mean that it should, however. The FCC would definitely be angry at anyone who tried it in the U.S.

  23. FM? Good timing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good timing, now that FM will be switched off within a few years almost everywhere. Have they started developing a DAB+ version already? Otherwise, they may as well cancel the project.

  24. This has been in use in the Netherlands for years by hackertourist · · Score: 1

    A very similar system (also using RDS) was trialed in the Netherlands in 2008, and is in common use these days.
    I've heard it in action once or twice, and it works well. Coming up on an intersection, the alert came long before I could see the ambulance approaching (it was obscured by buildings).

  25. The display? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called the EVAM System, according to Phys.org, and it's designed to send a signal over a specific FM radio band that'll interrupt music or radio and display a test message over the system's tuner display -- so long as the car is equipped with a Radio Data System (RDS).

    A message on the display? If you are looking at the display while driving, you are doing it wrong. This should be an audio message like regular TDS traffic announcements, not something shown on the display.

    You can consider the display an option once cars come with factory installed heads up displays.

  26. 'Accidents' are caused by ignorant drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How can you not see the blue lights of an ambulance, if you regularly check your mirror? (As you should, when driving - like every ten seconds at the most.)

  27. Or when sharia is implemented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They will be hijacked, much like planes are, by muslims to announce the call to prayer 5 times a day. Migrants welcome!

  28. People still listen to radio in Sweden? How quain by Zemran · · Score: 1

    How quaint :)

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  29. Another Idea from the Dark Ages implemented. by lordmage · · Score: 1

    I hope they are not going for patent on the idea. I got prior art as I presented this same idea back in 1991 as a presentation to a class. This is rather simple idea as well, Authorized Vehicle Interruption System. The thing that was funny was no one I presented the idea to believed it would be allowed by governments because it could be hacked pretty easily as the RF frequencies are not encrypted.

    Anyways, It is always fun to see an idea you had like 20+ years ago start to be implemented. I bet this idea has been around since the Car Radio has been invented. The idea is simple enough.

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  30. Hahaha jokes on them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I listen to my Poison cassettes on headphones with my killer Walkman rig. No one stops the 80s when the Cutlass Supreme is prowling!

  31. Waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Equip them with a rotating car-skewering spiked ram instead.

  32. About as useful as touch screens for amputees by tlambert · · Score: 1

    As of 2004, there were ~530,000 deaf and hard-of-hearing people in Sweden (Encyclopedia of Deafness and Hearing Disorders, p.197.)

    So basically 5% of the population isn't going to hear the radio announcements, even if they have their radio on. Which they probably don't, or it's tuned to Sirius Satellite or plugged into their iPod/iPhone.

    About as useful as touch screens for amputees whose prosthetic hands can't capacitively couple with trackpads or iPhones...

    1. Re:About as useful as touch screens for amputees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point, might as well get rid of the sirens on ambulances in that case. While they're at it, they could remove the flashing lights because there are also blind people. Or they could use a system that plays audio and displays text on the car's internal audio system regardless of what input is in use (as long as it is turned on) to give hard-of-hearing (or distracted) drivers a better chance of noticing an approaching emergency vehicle.

    2. Re:About as useful as touch screens for amputees by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      So?

      Oh no, a system makes an improvement, but not a perfect, 100 percent improvement, so what, lets throw out the improvement it *does* make?

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    3. Re:About as useful as touch screens for amputees by tlambert · · Score: 1

      So?

      Oh no, a system makes an improvement, but not a perfect, 100 percent improvement, so what, lets throw out the improvement it *does* make?

      It's not an improvement across the board. It's likely not an improvement at all, if you are listening to elevator music to make you calm enough to drive in the first place, and suddenly there's a startling "BRAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTT!" that could just as easily come out of the ambulances horn, but didn't, it came out of your radio.

      Also: call me back when it can turn an off radio to on, or force your stereo away from whatever you're listening to, over to the FM band so the ambulance can scream at you more than the flashing lights, siren, and horn are already screaming at you.

      Also also: so I assume the computer in self driving cars will now listen to NPR most of the time so that the FM radio will alert the car's driver -- a computer that apparently likes "Lake Woebegone Tales" -- will "hear" the ambulance.

  33. ha HA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good luck with this! I don't even have radios in my cars! :-)

  34. Ambulance on your Satnav would be better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it takes a while to work out where an ambulance is coming from without this system, so to have the sound of a siren in Dolby stereo throughout your car will confuse you like mad.... here is a much better idea.... why not have a little + sign pop up on your satnav so you can see what street it is on, and tell you that there is an ambulance in x metres :). Ps, fm radio is being phased out, dab is in :)

  35. Where can I get one for MY car?! by martinfb · · Score: 1

    Where can I get one for MY car?!
    br> This would be a great tool to clear the idiots out my way, avoiding STUPID drivers!!!

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  36. Re:People still listen to radio in Sweden? How qua by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know thanx to the rds system in sweden you can listen to bluetooth usb or whatever you want but it will be interrupted for traffick messages via the radio.
    You kan disable it easy if you wanted to but most people dont becus it is kind of useful to get relevant information about the road that you are driving on.