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Microsoft Reportedly Working On a 'Lightweight Version of Windows' Known As 'Cloud Shell' (neowin.net)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Neowin: Last week, details emerged of Microsoft's plans to develop a single, unified, 'adaptive shell' for Windows 10. Known as the 'Composable Shell', or CSHELL, the company's efforts were said to be focused on establishing a universal Windows 10 version with a standardized framework to scale and adapt the OS to any type of device, display size or user experience, including smartphones, PCs, tablets, consoles, large touchscreens, and more. Today, Petri reported that Microsoft is working on a new shell for Windows known as 'Cloud Shell'. According to internal documentation referred to in that report, Cloud Shell is described as a "lightweight version of Windows designed for the modern computing world." It also hints at plans to introduce the Cloud Shell sometime in 2017 -- but little else is known about the new shell besides that. Cloud Shell is said to be connected, in some way, with the Windows Store and Universal Windows Platform app framework, and the report speculates that it may also be related to Microsoft's plans to bring the full version of Windows 10 to mobile devices with ARM-based processors, which it announced in December. However, the cloud nomenclature, and the reference to this being a 'lightweight' version of Windows could hint at a 'thin client'-style approach, in which the Windows 10 shell could be streamed from Microsoft's Azure platform to any device with an internet connection, while its cloud servers remotely handle all of the processing and storage requirements of each users' tasks.

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  1. Yay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Another product no one asked for or wanted.

    1. Re:Yay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      People often don't know what they want, until they're given it, there's the (possibly apocryphal) Henry Ford quote:

      If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have said "a faster horse".

    2. Re:Yay by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      An unbloated, slimmed down version of Window has been on lists for decades. Think: plausible container shells, ROM-able instances, VDI.

      It remains to be seen what the downside(s) are, but yeah, skinny Window might actually be, dare I say it, competitive?

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    3. Re:Yay by OtisSnerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Another product no one asked for or wanted.

      You're missing the idea that this is a three letter agency and data harvesting company wet dream. Now, they don't even need back doors into your desktops, only to the cloud back end.

    4. Re:Yay by Foofoobar · · Score: 1

      Yes it has been on that list... and it was found over a decade ago in a product called Linux (please see reference of potato web server: http://totl.net/Spud/ )

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    5. Re: Yay by corychristison · · Score: 2

      I'm a Linux guy. I use Funtoo/Gentoo pretty much everywhere.

      This honestly piqued my interest.

      I maintain a custer of DNS servers based on PowerDNS and MariaDB Galera. The deployment image I use is only a few GB uncompressed.

      If MS can bring Windows Server down to 2-3GB (uncompressed) I'm sure people will find a use for it.

      Undoubtedly the licensing will get in the way, like it always does.

    6. Re: Yay by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Lots of items are unknown. Licensing, api differences, so much more. I'd like to shoot bullets and see how tough it is.

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    7. Re:Yay by chipschap · · Score: 4, Funny

      Only on the cshore.

    8. Re:Yay by darkpixel2k · · Score: 1

      Yes it has been on that list... and it was found over a decade ago in a product called Linux (please see reference of potato web server: http://totl.net/Spud/ )

      ...d.....did....you just *slashdot* a *potato*?!?

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    9. Re:Yay by Opyros · · Score: 1

      It does sound likely to be apocryphal to me; after all, Ford didn't invent the automobile!

    10. Re: Yay by bernywork · · Score: 1

      If you're already paying for a data centre licenses for your VMware hosts, I doubt it.

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    11. Re:Yay by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did you miss the wikileaks from Snowden? Or the huge fucking monster data processing center the CIA built in Utah?

      Got news for ya pal they want to know everything about EVERYBODY, in case you might be one of those pesky radicals. We shouldn't be surprised, its just COINTELPRO made faster and cheaper thanks to AI and large data processing facilities. hell they don't even have to follow you around anymore, just process the GPS from your smartphone.

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    12. Re: Yay by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      If MS can bring Windows Server down to 2-3GB (uncompressed)

      Windows 2000 Advanced Server was slightly cramped on a 1GB disk, but fitted fine. 2-3GB is a very low bar for an OS. A full install of the FreeBSD plus web, mail, and DNS servers is well under 1GB.

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    13. Re:Yay by gtall · · Score: 1

      Wow, you cannot even be troubled to read your own link, that was the NSA, not the CIA.

    14. Re: Yay by shortscruffydave · · Score: 1

      2-3GB is still on the heavy side. We need a Windows deployment sans GUI that can run in a handful of megabytes. The smaller the better.

      I believe that has existed for years, in the form of Embedded Windows.

    15. Re:Yay by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      That was because Ziff Davis had a huge investment in Microsoft stock. They dominated the PC press at the time and they did everything in their power to promote Windows over OS/2.

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    16. Re:Yay by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Was the Model T even really faster than horses though?

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    17. Re:Yay by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      According to the top of that webpage, no.

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    18. Re:Yay by WeezulDK · · Score: 1

      You're right, they were serious MS shills. It's sad though, because OS/2 2.11 was the bomb... it was Windows 2000 like 7 years early.

    19. Re: Yay by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      What embedded Windows are you working with? The one I work with needs around 4 GB of RAM and 32GB SSD.

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    20. Re:Yay by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      If she is your wife, I am pretty sure at some point you admitted in public that you wanted her.

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    21. Re: Yay by corychristison · · Score: 1

      I agree. My DNS image is tailored specifically to my needs. Which is MariaDB Galera Cluster.. the dependencies that pulls in is quite a bit.

      I'm sure I could trim a fair amount of stuff out, but its not worth my time to test to ensure that everything works perfect out of the box on deployment, when this works. After all, compressed with xz its under 1GB, and transfering data center to data center it's pretty quick.

      I haven't used Windows Server, but my recent experience with Win10 is that it's a storage pig. Base install is like 11GB (for 64bit). After some updates and drivers (say AMD or Nvidia full driver package), you're quickly upto 15GB.

    22. Re:Yay by erapert · · Score: 1

      Does it matter? A spook is a spook.

  2. Internal name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Interestingly, the internal name is Universal Data Harvester.

  3. Windows Store/Universal Platform by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cloud Shell is said to be connected, in some way, with the Windows Store and Universal Windows Platform app framework,

    Does anyone even use either of those?

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    1. Re:Windows Store/Universal Platform by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      The few people playing microsoft exclusive games maybe.. That's about it.

    2. Re:Windows Store/Universal Platform by vbraga · · Score: 1

      I do use. I still have a Lumia 640. Not a bad phone. I could use a GMail app. There's a few other apps I'd like to have (Lykke wallet, an official Google Play Music client).

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    3. Re:Windows Store/Universal Platform by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      What do you use them for? Especially the universal platform. That sounds like a platform that is the 'future' that will be gone soon, like VB6 and Silverlight.

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    4. Re:Windows Store/Universal Platform by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      We had a hard enough time getting our customers to drop XP, and that was predicated upon the notion that security updates were no longer going to be forthcoming from Microsoft. We've got another 3 years to go before we'll be able to even consider such things--when MS ends Windows 7 extended support.

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    5. Re:Windows Store/Universal Platform by cjjjer · · Score: 1

      Not the store per se but UWP. I have developed a few apps for my company already. One is used on both desktop and some cheap windows tablets (inventory / shipping / receiving).

      As for the Cloud Shell I wonder if it's just a version of Windows Server 2016 Nano running in the cloud.

    6. Re:Windows Store/Universal Platform by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Does anyone even use either of those?

      For a few apps on my Windows (non RT) tablet, yes. That's it.

    7. Re:Windows Store/Universal Platform by Desler · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you one of the 3 people with a Windows Phone?

    8. Re:Windows Store/Universal Platform by unixisc · · Score: 1

      By which time, people who are forced out of XP or 7 are unlikely to want to migrate to yet another Microsoft platform, when there would be others from the likes of Google, Apple and maybe even others, like Facebook, waiting in the wings

  4. rumors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Rumors claiming that a space was misplaced by one character during creation of the marketing materials, and the product was originally to be called "Clouds Hell" cannot be confirmed at this time.

  5. Microsoft sells cshells by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft sells cshells by the sea shore.
    The shells Microsoft sells are surely cshells.
    So if Microsoft sells shells on the seashore,
    I’m sure Microsoft sells seashore shells.

    1. Re: Microsoft sells cshells by UltraZelda64 · · Score: 1

      That was AWESOME. That is all I have to say.

    2. Re:Microsoft sells cshells by unixisc · · Score: 1

      A sailor went to csh, csh, csh,
      To see what he could cshell, cshell, cshell
      But all that he could cshell, cshell, cshell
      Was the bottom of the deep blue csh, csh, csh

  6. MinWin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What is old is new again

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinWin

    Or you could just run ReactOS in a VM.

    1. Re:MinWin by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      Real men run ReactOS on bare metal.

    2. Re:MinWin by npslider · · Score: 1

      Real men use DOS on solid iron.

  7. Sounds like the last thing I'd want by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At least on the desktop. I am sure 'compromises' will be made that will favor mobile interface layout and aesthetics.

    1. Re:Sounds like the last thing I'd want by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Who cares what it looks like, if they can not deliver privacy and security (those two go hand in hand), then they in reality have nothing to offer, well, not to normal people. To psychopathic dictators of course, windows 10 the dream operating system, (would this indicate the board of M$ is composed of potential psychopathic dictators with delusions of controlling the world via a global extortion scheme, all your secrets belong to us).

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    2. Re:Sounds like the last thing I'd want by E-Rock · · Score: 1

      Maybe we'll finally get an RDP thin client that doesn't cost as much as a full PC.

  8. Great..... by ruir · · Score: 2

    CLoud shit, another product from the reverse midas than instead of turning everything it touches into gold, turns into turds. And no, I have not forgot to post as AC.

    1. Re:Great..... by npslider · · Score: 1

      Golden turds sound great in theory till nature calls and the plummer makes off with the source of the clog!

    2. Re:Great..... by ruir · · Score: 1

      It is Microshaft after all that we are talking about. Relax, do not forget to take your blue pill.

  9. So in a meeting somewhere in Redmond ... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... hey we have all this billions invested in WindowsPhone OS that we don't know what to do with since we plan to leave the market? Any ideas?

    1. Re:So in a meeting somewhere in Redmond ... by npslider · · Score: 1

      The Internet of Things...

    2. Re:So in a meeting somewhere in Redmond ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Even worse they've fired developers and hired more management and even given raises to existing Windows mobile management like my wife. It's like they're trying intentionally trying to do everything wrong.

    3. Re:So in a meeting somewhere in Redmond ... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Would phones be one of those things?

    4. Re: So in a meeting somewhere in Redmond ... by DivineKnight · · Score: 1

      So, any particular reason for their psychopathy?

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    5. Re: So in a meeting somewhere in Redmond ... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is someone earning over $400k and still sharing a room? Are you both living on the ISS?

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  10. 64 bit x86 by backslashdot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How about getting 64 bit x86 to work instead of emulating 32 bit x86 which is 1980s technology?

    1. Re:64 bit x86 by caseih · · Score: 1

      Okay I'll bite. How does MS emulate 32-bit x86 on 64-bit machines? I've got 64-bit Windows 10 on a couple of machines. I've not seen any evidence that these are 32-bit machines in disguise. Many apps out there are still 32-bit, probably for compatibility (32-bit is still supported as a platform), but many are 64-bit native. Are you telling me the software installed in Program Files--as opposed to Program Files (x86)--are all 32-bit?

  11. The Cloud by backslashdot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nowadays everything wants to connect to the cloud. I mean you pull up Apple or Google maps on a phone and it can't even display a generic map showing where you are. It insists on asking the cloud. Yet somehow the OS is like 16 gigabytes in size. How can it take up 16 gigabytes when it doesn't know anything?

    1. Re:The Cloud by npslider · · Score: 2

      Spyware. It needs it's safe spaces. Safe spaces take space.

    2. Re:The Cloud by bob4u2c · · Score: 3

      How can it take up 16 gigabytes when it doesn't know anything?

      Simple, all that space is used for storing tracking and real world data about you for "product development" purposes. You know the kind, where you are the product!

    3. Re:The Cloud by Zaurus · · Score: 1

      Emojis. The first 1 gigabyte is the os, the next 15 gigabytes are emojis.

      They haven't even started including the video emojis yet.

      Once we have video emojis of every possible cute cat action, then we will have finally perfected the operating system.

    4. Re:The Cloud by nasch · · Score: 1

      You're expecting your phone to show a map of your location without downloading it from the internet? How would that work exactly?

    5. Re:The Cloud by Desler · · Score: 1

      Because your phone is supposed to get map data from the aether?

    6. Re:The Cloud by backslashdot · · Score: 1

      Umm, have a basic map on the phone. It doesn't have to be super detailed though it could have a cache of your neighborhood. That won't take up that much memory. I mean they could easily do it for a few hundred megs. At least the main roads and nearest highways .. if not an approximate location on the planet. Currently neither Apple nor Google will even show you what town you are in without asking the cloud.

    7. Re:The Cloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      All the roads in the US fit on a 700 Megabyte CD rom, probably with room to spare. Even with Apple's outrageous prices for flash memory, it wouldn't be a big hardship to include offline maps.

    8. Re:The Cloud by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      OSMAnd has a world map that is about 30MB and gives you the country and major cities, but nothing much beyond that. Detailed maps for European countries or US states weigh in at 100-300MB (except France, which seems to have incredibly detailed maps and is a few GBs). Routing works offline and I can easily store a map of my home country and half a dozen countries that I've visited recently or plan to visit soon on my cheap 3-year-old phone.

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    9. Re:The Cloud by nasch · · Score: 1

      Umm, have a basic map on the phone. It doesn't have to be super detailed though it could have a cache of your neighborhood.

      I doubt many people would have much use for a nationwide map with nothing more than interstate highways, and preloading the device with a detailed map of the US, let alone the world, would be impossible or at least prohibitive. You can certainly instruct the app to cache an area for offline use, but it's not going to do that without you instructing it to (which is appropriate), and the first time it gets that map it has to come from somewhere.

      There are map apps that work differently if you don't like the ones from Google and Apple. You can choose what maps to download ahead of time (oh no, FROM THE CLOUD!) and then you don't need an internet connection to use them. Google and Apple have designed their apps to match how they think most people want to use them, and I think they're probably right. But no solution will work for everyone.

  12. Cloud Shell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Your OS runs in the cloud and you shell out money every month to use it

    1. Re: Cloud Shell by TWX · · Score: 1

      So Cisco Meraki then?

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  13. Chrome OS? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Doesn't this sound awfully like the Chrome OS? Just Microsoft running the servers instead of Google?

    1. Re:Chrome OS? by npslider · · Score: 2

      2017 will be the year of The Cloud.
      2018 will be the year of Linux
      2019 will be the year of the Doomsday Clock
      2020 will be the year of cockroach computing

    2. Re:Chrome OS? by randomErr · · Score: 1

      That was my first thought. My next thought was that Classic Windows would be bolted on the side the way ChromeOS is starting to run Android in a weird sand box. The final move is to create 'Windows Instant Apps' instead of 'Android Instant Apps' and teh circle will be complete,

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    3. Re:Chrome OS? by vandamme · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's motto: Monkey see Monkey do.

  14. Sea metaphors by mugurel · · Score: 1

    In a couple of years they will be releasing a browser called Navigator.

    1. Re:Sea metaphors by npslider · · Score: 1

      Microscape Navigator... why does that sound familiar??

    2. Re: Sea metaphors by TWX · · Score: 1

      With the reportware, "Spyglass" would be a better name.

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  15. CSHELL? CS HELL? by davidwr · · Score: 1

    I know CS degree programs are supposed to be hard, but not THAT hard.

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  16. Lightweight indeed. by hey! · · Score: 3, Funny

    It'll bring everything you love about Windows to the Cloud.

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  17. Re:Known as CSHELL by bondsbw · · Score: 2
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  18. Yippee Skippee by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    Great! Now they'll have an operating system that only takes 10 minutes to boot up instead of the 20 minutes currently required.

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  19. Am I the only one... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    who read that as "Compostable Shell"?

    Seems fitting for a shitty product...

  20. Lightweight Windows by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

    Surely an oxymoron.

  21. Why Microsoft is going to the cloud by The+Swan+Spirit · · Score: 1

    The cloud is the business of human behavior, leaded by Facebook.

  22. See how the mighty had fallen ... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Interesting
    20 years ago, someone would have a bright idea. Some venture capitalists might see some potential. They will work feverishly on it. Microsoft might get a wind of it. And it will just release a press release saying it is considering working on the same idea. That's it. The VCs will flee like they had seen ebola. Funding gone, the startup will die.

    Now people just make fun of Microsoft, when it says vaguely plausible things they might have actually invested on. Even stupid idea like warehousing products in the near earth orbit and delivering packages using Multiple Independently Targeted Re-entry Vehicles by Amazon would be discussed seriously. But Microsoft? nah! No one believes it can do what it says it wants to do. Including the VP in charge of the project.

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  23. CSHELL? by chaosmind · · Score: 1

    The first C-SHELL will suck.

    It will be followed by a new and improved TurboCSHELL...

  24. Back full circle by Dorianny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And just like that we are back to the days of mainframes/dumb terminals except that know we will call it the cloud/thin client. The reason are simple, vendor lock-in, walled gardens and "services" instead of ownership means you can milk your clients for years instead of selling them something once

  25. Windows for Lightweights? by PPH · · Score: 1

    n/t

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  26. C Shell? Full circle by JeffOwl · · Score: 2

    I used to do a lot of stuff in a lightweight environment called C-Shell and it was really awesome, but that was more than 30 years ago and it really didn't have a lot to do with MS.

  27. Actually by lucaiaco · · Score: 1

    This might actually work if it supports standard Windows software. For example, you may have an old machine running few selected programs, or even have an actually light version of Windows for Raspberry.

  28. Windows NT? by slazzy · · Score: 1

    Sounds like they are bringing back Windows NT.

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  29. The need to ... by DougReed · · Score: 1

    If Micro$oft wants to please me, they need to work on a Lightweight version of Windows known as Linux.

  30. Re:Now Microsoft will claim to have invented csh by unixisc · · Score: 1

    You mean their cshills?

  31. We've gone back to the fscking mainframe... by AtariEric · · Score: 1

    ...but instead of needing to because of technology and cost constraints, Microsoft is doing it as a method of control. Once Microsoft has the O.S. and your data on their servers, they have you by the curlies. You'll pay what they tell you to pay to access your own data or they pull the trigger.

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  32. VT 100 will be next by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    So the Azure platform will be in some far away place. People will access it using "thin" clients. The C Shell name also has been co opted. I predict next the display will be called Virtual Teleport 100 or something, and it display 24 lines each 80 characters in beautiful glowing green phosphors.

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  33. Article about continuing use of Windows XP by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1
    1. Re:Article about continuing use of Windows XP by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      People like you only make the problem worse.

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  34. Abbreviation is quite apt as well: CS HELL by stiebrs · · Score: 1

    Computer scientists will love this

  35. Win32 is being deprecated so yes by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    ...eventually. UWP is a self contained environment with access to APIs that are outside the scope of Win32, as MS updates its APIs to integrate with these services and also other features of UWP, they will further diverge from Win32, meaning Win32 will stop seeing API updates and be relegated to an "insecure" and deprecated status.

    MS is shifting Windows to a walled garden and will drag everyone there kicking and screaming.

  36. Re:Good, do it. Make UWP the only way! by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    That's why they are getting Linux utilities running on Windows now natively, so they can easily interact with Windows services and become dependent on them.

    If people put up with Microsoft's shit this far and haven't bolted, there's no hope for humanity. Honestly don't know what it would take at this point to make people move away from Windows en masse. Maybe an Android desktop will help but it's a long shot.

  37. Less is more by CptLoRes · · Score: 1

    I'll take the lightweight version with a 'old school' UI that only does OS tasks without the shop and telemetry thank you very much.

  38. No problems with 17 Windows XP computers. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    We have only 17 XP computers, not a lot. But no problems.

    We use other protection, of course.