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Trump's Executive Order Eliminates Privacy Act Protections For Foreigners (whitehouse.gov)
Long-time Slashdot reader Kernel Kurtz writes
: January 28 is supposed to be Data Privacy Day, so it seems fitting in an alternative sort of way that U.S. President Trump just signed an executive order that eliminates Privacy Act protections for foreigners. As a non-American, I find it curious that the person who says he wants to bring jobs to America is simply confirming the post-Snowden belief that America is not a safe place to do business.
The Privacy Act has been in place since 1974. But now section 14 of Trump's "Enhancing Public Safety" executive order directs federal agencies to "ensure that their privacy policies exclude persons who are not United States citizens or lawful permanent residents from the protections of the Privacy Act regarding personally identifiable information" to the extent consistent with applicable law.
The Privacy Act has been in place since 1974. But now section 14 of Trump's "Enhancing Public Safety" executive order directs federal agencies to "ensure that their privacy policies exclude persons who are not United States citizens or lawful permanent residents from the protections of the Privacy Act regarding personally identifiable information" to the extent consistent with applicable law.
Who wants to visit a broken down piece of crap US run by a stupid cunt like Trump. Happy to stay in civillsation.
You really think there is a thing such as privacy?
"to the extent consistent with applicable law"
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Donald Trump's bigoted and idiotic executive orders are blocking legal visitors at airports, and spreading chaos at tech companies.
Seriously - when someone manages to escape a civil war and work his way into the tech industry - we shouldn't send him or his family back at the airport when he's traveling or living here on a valid visa.
These are our friends and colleagues. If we don't speak up for them, we have no honor.
Seriously, ban legal, visa-holder residents for 90 days? Was he expecting that not to turn into a shitshow?
This is what happens when you let Bannon write foreign policy.
The Privacy Act does not protect non-US persons, which is problematic for the exchange of Passenger Name Record information between the US and the European Union.
The privacy act already doesn't apply to non-US persons.
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Umm, no.
There are a lot of things we should fix in America first before we try to help everyone else.
let him unilaterally decide whatever he wants.
I don't remember the United States being a monarchy.
At what point does Congress tell him he's not a king?
Yep, starting with getting rid of the stupid orange babbon who is president.
Is it true that Afghanistan, Pakistan and Sadia Arabia the three countries you think would of been on the top of that list weren't included, three countries that Trump has strong business ties with?
CA pays your bills, bitch. We hand over much more money than we receive from the feds. I hope we do succeed and pull the useless fucking bigoted morons in the middle of our country from our overflowing teats.
You forgot the words "bigoted", "misogynist", and "Hitler".
Your shill-pay will be docked 25%.
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Are you serious? We're talking about legal residents who where prohibited, overnight, to enter the country without any other justification than a whim from Trump. No changed jobs, expired visas, incorrect documentation or lack of vetoes were part of the equation.
The sad part is that the ban seems to be in place only because those 7 countries are mostly Muslim. None of them were involved on any kind of terrorist activity on US soil while other countries which were, notably Saudi Arabia and Turkey, are inexplicably left out of the executive action signed last Friday.
And what do you suppose the odds of you being a victim of a terrorist attack? Seriously here. Stop and think for a minute. Are you making a rational assessment? In general terms, the biggest causes of death in America are heart disease and cancer, with accidental deaths being choking, automobile accidents and falls. Terrorist attacks are so far down the list that you might as well start worrying about lightning strikes taking you down. That's why you're a retard, because you're unable to assess risk with anything approaching rationality, are easily stirred up, and really are the most delicate of little snowflakes.
Seek out a psychiatrist, and in the meantime, take a fucking statistics course.
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I don't want my country flushed down the toilet by uneducated retards like yourself.
I work with Muslims, and even though they don't drink they are nice people and we are lucky to have them in the country, and I'm glad that they are my colleagues.
Hopefully one day you will realize that Muslims are hard working Americans.
You forgot the words "bigoted", "misogynist", and "Hitler".
Laugh it up, but Trump just ordered a weekly publication of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Hitler did the same back in the 40's. Google up "The Criminal Jew".
Key phrase.
When the Cato Institute is calling you out on racist policies you know you're up shit creek.
Umm, no.
There are a lot of things we should fix in America first before we try to help everyone else.
And how does allowing talented immigrants in not "fix" America? If we always did what Trump is doing, we'd be way behind the rest of the world technologically. Einstein was a refugee and so was Wernher von Braun (though he was a refugee for a much different reason.)
Speak of Wernher von Braun; he got to skip the gallows because of his knowledge, and if we didn't keep him we would have lost the space race for sure -- something to keep in mind if we're going to kick out immigrants from potentially hostile foreign nations, as that could cost us our next space race.
Don't be dense. Of course visas and permits can be revoked; the entire issue here is that it happened without any justifiable reason. "Hey, it can happen" is a poor argument.
Think of it as a really good guest worker card AC.
US citizenship is an option at the end of that green card process.
So until US citizenship is granted its like most other nations permits. Can work or just free to move around.
Like most permits, most govs do have the option to revoke what they grant to any other nations citizens.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Until a person is a US citizen its just gov granted paperwork that can change. Been in another nation with your own citizenship is well understood by most nations.
Like most other nations people have a few options:
Change your citizenship, consider dual citizenship (some nations allow that) or opt to follow a visas and permits policy that can change.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
CA pays your bills, bitch. We hand over much more money than we receive from the feds. I hope we do succeed and pull the useless fucking bigoted morons in the middle of our country from our overflowing teats.
I'd like to see how you guys end up rationing your energy when you can no longer connect to the grid of neighboring states. You know your state only provides about 60% of its own energy demands, right? Let me guess, you'll just cut the power to all of the poor people's houses so that the industry there can remain intact? May as well because there are so many homeless people (and multiple families crowded into one single family home) there that you may as well just make everybody who isn't making at least $200,000 a year go the rest of the way to destitution.
Oh, and how did that Arizona boycott turn out for you? That lasted...what...two minutes?
And that's not even getting into the fact that if California seceded, they'd probably lose all of the rural counties that would want to form their own state (such as the already existing movement to form a state called Jefferson,) so California would have basically no farmland with all of those homeless people to feed.
Let me know how all of that works out.
And one of the things to fix is getting rid of America's xenophobia.
Yup, terrorists in 9/11 weren't from any countries on Trump's list.
Don't forget all the immigrants who came over on the Mayflower and screwed things up.
This could be bad for US tech companies. As I understand it, this Act is important for the EU to allow US companies to store information for EU-customers on US servers. No privacy-protection could mean all that has to be moved to the EU.
I'd like to see how you guys end up rationing your energy when you can no longer connect to the grid of neighboring state
They're called rolling brownouts and it's nothing new for CA.
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak outâ" Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak outâ" Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak outâ" Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for meâ"and there was no one left to speak for me.
Trump is holding our nation hostage.
He's going to do stuff like this, but then only undo it if you pay his toll, whatever that might be.
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Read the Constitution. It is very clear on using the inclusive "people" most places, and reserve "citizens" for where the difference matters, like federal voting rights, rights to run for higher office, and obligation to serve in war.
There are quite a few permanent residents who have lived here for decades, but cannot become US citizens due to factors like needing to be able to visit their families, and their country of origin not allowing dual citizenship.
Also consider that many native Americans are citizens of a different nation, but residents of the United States.
Congratulations, you walked right into the trap.
Syria is the only country named in the order. The other 6 were part of a law that Obama signed a year or two ago. But now the lefties are demanding that more majority-Muslim countries be added to the list, just like you did here.
See that "Preview" button?
I think the issuance of the executive order was careless, though politically, it may work out OK for Trump.
However, the simple fact is that as a non-citizen, travel is and always has been risky.
Now, as to Congress, well I'm assuming here that these executive orders are based on powers bequeathed to the President by Congress, in which case if Congress doesn't like how Trump is using the powers that have been been granted to him by legislation, then they can amend or repeal any said legislation,...
Close. But let me pick a small, but inprotant, nitl
The Presiden't powers don't come from the Congress. The President's powers come from the Constitution. Some of them do amount to some component of "implementing the laws as passed by Congress". But not all of them are of that form; The others aren't generally subject to congress adding a "Do it this way / don't do it that way" prescription, and even their ability to specify HOW he executes that laws that they DID pass is limited.
The President is head of the Executive branch of the government - one of three co-equal branches. Rule of thumb: If ONE of the branches gets out of hand, it takes BOTH of the other two to override it - and it's a major boat-rocker to do so. When two branches disagree and the third sits it out, the first two each get to run their branches' things their own way.
Having said that: Much of the current over-power of the President and the Executive Branch IS the result of Congress shirking their own hard decisions by handing some of their OWN legislative power off to the Executive, in such forms as rule-making and war-powers preauthorizations. Those do act much as you describe. And they've been used to create the monumental overweening bureaucracy and set of "administrative rules" that Trump is now trying to dismantle, using the same mechanisms as were used to create it.
Trump inherited Obama's "Pen and Phone". The executive order is the writing of the pen. Presidents before him created a set of juggernauts. Trump gets to disassemble them (much to the joy of his supporters) to his heart's content - at least until the Congress takes its own delegated power back. As you point out that's not likely to happen any time soon (and his party has the majority in both houses for the next two years).
Meanwhile, the courts alone are limited in what they can do to counter him, both by the Constitution and their own rules of deferring to the executive unless there's good reason not to, avoiding an override of a law or executive action if a case can be decided on some other basis, limiting the scope of the laws or actions overridden to the minimum needed to decide a case, and not accepting a case for a ruing unless the prayug party is suffering real harm from the law or action being complained about. Further, the top court is tied 4 conservative 4 liberal, and Trump gets to appoint the ninth.
So I would expect Trump to rapidly and selectively smash away. (There's so MANY of these structures to smash, and so little time in no more than two Presidential terms.) And if Congress DOES try to take its power back before he leaves office, tweet about being thrown into briar patches and ROTFLMAO.
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US citizenship is an option at the end of that green card process.
No, permanent residency does not "end" (except for the oxymoronic "conditional permanent resident" which either ends in conditions being lifted, or the residency expiring).
Naturalization is a different process, and it's possible to become a citizen without having been a resident, and to be a resident until you die of old age without ever applying for citizenship.
George Soros is a jew born in Hungary in 1930, and a holocaust survivor. Perhaps you should listen to him, he has experienced Trump before, albeit he was short, German and had a different name.
You are still not bright enough to figure and that left vs right is dumbed down politics for kids. You really think there are only two sides to every issue, no middle ground? Just look around, Trump is not even Republican at heart, he has none of the ideals that Republicans have had for the last 50 years (though he shares the isolationist stance the GOP had before the great depression). Everyone I know who voted for Trump did so while holding their noses - they are not celebrating Trump's win, they know they voted for what they thought was the lesser of two evils and now they're buckling up to prepare for what the lesser evil is going to do. Only the Tea Party faction is for wholesale destruction of the government. Trump would make Reagan puke in disgust.
And stop acting like Cartman. Sheesh, this is REAL LIFE and not some stupid sports game where you get drunk and start a fight on the field based upon who is holding the ball at the moment. Sober up, stop swaggering, and start paying attention.
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If it weren't for German immigrant scientists (many undocumented, some Nazis) in the US during WWII, you'd be writing that in Japanese and you wouldn't be writing it from your iPhone...
Thing about lending someone a hand? They do tend to reciprocate.
Thing about giving someone the back of your hand? They do tend to reciprocate.
Just sayin'.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
If it weren't for German immigrant scientists (many undocumented, some Nazis) in the US during WWII, you'd be writing that in Japanese
Um, no. Japan was losing anyhow.
... foreign countries companies will - not would like to - finish their contracts with american data and computer companies. Therefore it makes much sense to lay off masses of affected programmers. Thank you Donald for this (un-)presidential order. In acting so you will not be able to create new jobs but destroy many existing ones!
There are a lot of things we should fix in America first before we try to help everyone else.
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your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
the wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Every time someone posts that "California pays for all the mid-country rednecks" , I feel like the internet gets stupider.
http://www.mercurynews.com/201...
California doesn't pay for the rest of the economy. California has been so deep in debt from spending money it doesn't have that it can't even count the debt anymore. Here's an in-depth look at California's state finances: https://ballotpedia.org/Califo....
The Feds throw California another 30% on top of their budget, and they their arrears are astonishing.
I'm not anti-California or pro-anywhere-else.... but Jesus. Find something worth bragging on. It's not California's Revenue vs. Expenditures or money management skills - because the only competition California has for financial mismanagement is New York and Detroit.
They're called rolling brownouts and it's nothing new for CA.
California doesn't have active rolling brownouts, however if it lost its grid connectivity with neighboring states, you'd see much worse than even rolling blackouts, never mind brownouts. Most importantly you'd see a massive increase in energy costs there, and in which case, guess who would lose it first?
The only reason your family suffers is because they can't make it in a meritocracy. It's certainly not because of the color of the skin they were born with, or the country they were born in. It's the idiots like you who think they have a birthright that are ruining the US.
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This site does does seem to be getting more political and less technical in the choice of stories being put forward.
It's not just here. It's everywhere. For instance:
- I run into these arguments on a computer experts mailing list.
- I see them keep popping up on an alternative energy BBS - bringing the board operators out to repeatedly admonish the posters about the "no political discussions" rule.
- (I'd probably see them in more places but I've been sick as a dog this last week.)
- My wife sees them on a num ber of mailing lists, facebook friends groups, and so on that she's on, including a chicken-breeder's discussion group(!)
As I read it:
- The left-wing movement currently called things like "progressivism" has, for generations, infiltrated power-base organizations and used social pressure to turn their members into group-think clones and the organizations into tools for further expansion and for implementation of their policies. They've just received their first major setback in half a century. Their carefully constructed mechanisms, which they thought were about to give them an unbreakable lock on power, either massively failed to perform or are going onto the chopping block with Trump wieldng the axe. So they are doubling down, frantically applying their tactics, redoubled, in every venu they can still access;
- Their non-members (especially those in rural and/or "fly-over" locations, after decades of being gaslighted, just received a massive sanity-check and became connected with many others who think like them. Further, they saw the other side exposed as what they'd consider evil and corrupt - first by the leaks, then by the tantrum after the loss. With this for armor, they are resisting social-pressure attacks rather than backing down.
So IT'S ON!
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CA has dealt with this before, I was there at the time and it wasn't a big deal.
> Donald Trump's bigoted and idiotic executive orders are blocking legal visitors at airports
Worse. They are blocking green-card holders and residents on visas.
Impressive is the person who has a Masters in economics and worries about terrorism. Mostly because I guess you can work formulas but can't do basic risk analysis.
"Old man yells at systemd"
You cannot fix these things BEFORE. These things can onlty be fixed DURING helping someone else.
OK, if you want to play the odds argument with me, MightyMartian. I have a bowl of 1000 chocolates for you to try. One of the chocolates is poisoned and will kill you in minutes with no antidote. Still want to eat any of the chocolates from my bowl? No, you most certainly will not, because while the risk is statistically low, it is an easily avoidable risk, and you can get non-poisoned candy just about anywhere. Yet here you are, making the argument to pour more candies into the bowl, even though you know that some of the new candies will be poisoned too. And you expect all of us, and our children to eat a few, with the argument being that the odds of anyone dying are pretty low... even though it is a nearly 100% certainty that some innocent people will die. It sounds pretty foolish when all the bleeding heart PC bullshit is stripped away doesn't it?
Also, just note that the highest lifetime or old age killers are heart disease and cancer, however, these are accepted and as of now unavoidable risks. Terrorists tend to kill preferentially people in their prime along with children. The impact on society of an old person dying of cancer is minimal and to a degree expected (we all have to die of something), while the death of a child or adult in their prime is far more disruptive and detrimental to individuals, families and society as a whole. Also, the mortality rate in those age brackets makes the chances of dying from terrorism exponentially larger, since very few children or 30 year old adults die of heart disease or cancer.
Beyond the simple statistics is the problem I allude to in my chocolates example. Terrorist attacks are a largely avoidable phenomena (check out Japan, they keep a close eye on their Muslim residents, including surveillance cameras in mosques and have had no terrorist attacks, BTW: funny no one shit a brick when Japan did this). To avoid Islamist terrorists, you must first realize that Islam practiced to the letter is violent and completely incompatible with the US laws and constitution, as well as American values and traditions. We allow freedom of religion up to the point where it violates the law. If your religion requires human sacrifice, and you kill someone in the practice of your religion, we sure as hell will hunt you down and prosecute you for committing murder. Many of the facets of Islam and Sharia law also violate basic laws in the US, up to and including honor killings, and killing the infidel and violent jihad, which are out and out murder.
We should do no less than any other nation and demand that all immigrants who come to America respect our laws and out beliefs, and if that is too much to ask of them, then they need to leave. We provide for freedom of religion, up to the point where that religion teaches treason, condones murder, mutilation and subjugation of women, slavery (and the list goes on).
The promise of freedom and prosperity that America offers comes at the price of requiring immigrants to become American, something that has almost been forgotten with all the multicultural BS. We are America, and we have our own culture. If your religion precludes you from adopting our beliefs, then I am sorry, but there is the door. America was founded on Judeo-Christian philosophy (sorry revisionists, you can suck it) and Islam played no part in our founding documents, no Muslim blood was shed to free us from oppression, and in fact, America's first armed conflict after gaining our independence was against Muslims (Barbary wars 1801-1816) who we had to go to war with because they were just as evil as the Islamists are today.
The US allows in more than 1,000,000 immigrants every year, more than any other country, but that doesn't mean we have to be stupid about it. There are plenty of people in line who do not ascribe to a worldview that is diametrically opposed to our beliefs.
Regarding the humanitarian crisis and refugees, it is much safer and more effective to set up safe zones in Iraq and Syria with UN soldiers from Muslim nati
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
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CA pays your bills, bitch. We hand over much more money than we receive from the feds. I hope we do succeed and pull the useless fucking bigoted morons in the middle of our country from our overflowing teats.
I'd like to see how you guys end up rationing your energy when you can no longer connect to the grid of neighboring states. You know your state only provides about 60% of its own energy demands, right? Let me guess, you'll just cut the power to all of the poor people's houses so that the industry there can remain intact? May as well because there are so many homeless people (and multiple families crowded into one single family home) there that you may as well just make everybody who isn't making at least $200,000 a year go the rest of the way to destitution.
They don't get that energy for free. They pay for it you fool. The United States has interconnects and significant energy trade with both Canada and Mexico. Integrating North American Energy Markets - Department of Energy
Fun fact - the World Trade Center terrorists did not hail from any of the 6 counties that our President has enacted a travel ban on, they hailed primarily from Saudi Arabia, our ally.
In the meanwhile you need to get out of your bubble and meet some Muslim people. You sound like you don't have a very diverse upbringing, well guess what there's a lot of diversity in America if you live and work in urban areas or technical fields. I have a colleague who is Muslim. She has a PhD in a technical field and wants to stay in the USA. She's the kind of person America should want to hang onto and not drive away. Yet now her parents in her home country likely won't be able to get a visa to visit her here, and she has no idea if the greencard she is in the application process for is still a possibly in this new scaremongering era of Trump.
Japan had literally no chance of winning the war once the US decided to fight. It was only a question of WHEN they would lose, not if. They even recognized that and performed Pearl Harbor in the hopes of making the US give up early, as that was the only plausible way they would come out ahead. Rejecting the German scientists would have cost us a lot of post-war gains, but wouldn't have affected the war that much.
As the noose around democracy's neck tightened.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Because having an international military force controlled by China and Russia (who both hold permanent seats on the Security Council in case you've forgotten) is a wonderful idea.
What you're talking about is what the conspiracy theorists are talking about when they blabber about the New World Order. Ponder the idea of making conspiracy theories true for a moment.
Are you serious? We're talking about legal residents who where prohibited, overnight, to enter the country without any other justification than a whim from Trump. No changed jobs, expired visas, incorrect documentation or lack of vetoes were part of the equation.
The sad part is that the ban seems to be in place only because those 7 countries are mostly Muslim. None of them were involved on any kind of terrorist activity on US soil while other countries which were, notably Saudi Arabia and Turkey, are inexplicably left out of the executive action signed last Friday.
Not that I agree with Trump but to be factually correct 3 of those countries (Sudan, Syria, Iran) are listed by the State Department as "State sponsors of terrorism" and the other 4 are listed as "Terrorist safe havens."
While the "State sponsors of terrorism" list contains only the 3 banned countries, the Terrorist safe havens" list contains many more, including Christian majority countries like Columbia and Venezuela so Trump can't claim in Court that it was purely coincidence that all the States on the list have Muslim majorities.
BTW Neither Turkey nor Saudi Arabia are on the list, in fact they are both considered close allies
I wonder how many of these executive orders will stand up to judicial scrutiny?
A lot fewer than have/will be made I suspect.
Ordering the drafting of one, checking it when it's done, sending it back for revision if necessary, and signing it, takes what? A quarter day? That means he can do several a DAY and keep it up as long as he's in office. (He'd need to, even if the courts don't strike even one. There are SO MANY things to shut down and at most he has less than three thousand days to do it - and all the OTHER presidential work as well.) Cost is trivial, since the manpower is already on staff and paid for by government funds.
Pushing opposition to an order's implementation, into and through court, takes months to years. (Again, the government pays for Trump's side, this time to push back.) There's no guarantee it will work, or that it will affect more than a small part of the order if it does work.
For a historic example of how this can work, see how F.D.R. used it to create The New Deal, including its welfare state and fascist control of industry. (The latter mostly got knocked down in court, the former is still with us - all grown up and entrenched.)
Or look at what Obama did with his "Pen and Phone" and a Democratic Party dominated Congress.
Then consider that, in general, (and in contrast to neocon claims,) it's easier to break something than to build it.
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Your analogy is off by orders of a magnitude. Quit trying to justify irrational fear.
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The key part of this is "yearning to breath free"
People who move to a place to then try and impose the rules of the places they moved from are not the type of people who are wanted.
Actually your comparison is nonsense. The odds are not 1 in 1000 they are more towards 1 in 100,000 or even more but let's use 1 in 1000 as it's clearly easier for you.
If 1 person in 1000 was a rotten terrorist, bent on who knows what and in the remaining 999 group of people there was a nurse, a teacher and a bus driver. All fairly common professions. (notice I did not cherry pick a doctor) would you reject the entire group because of the POSSIBILITY one was a terrorist?
So far the people killing more US citizens than any one else are US citizens via mass shootings. You think 9/11 was preventable if you banned some immigrants or something??
If actual terrorists can plan an attack they can also plan fake passports or access via allowed channels. Japan had terrorist attacks and it was not by Muslims. A determined attacker willing to sacrifice his own life is not avoidable with passport control. Education, support frameworks and friendship are better tools.
The typical psychological scenario of violent sociopaths and terrorists as well is that they were socially isolated and thus begun to hate the group that rejected them. Yes, extremism prays on this and indoctrinates the feeble minded with BS but it starts somewhere.
You say "we are America". You have an idea of what that means that not all Americans share. Common sense is not common. It is thoroughly irrational to think that the idea you have of a geography is the same idea that another person in the same geography holds. It's not about religion it's about people.
People are different.
America was founded on Judeo Christian belief?? you mean after the natives were bought, cheated and killed? -I guess they don't count then because they are not Jews or Christians?
You just want people that think differently to be put in some box ha?
Men and women often think differently and such stupid views have, in the past, given a strong preference to male female segregation. What does that do? adds more confusion, less understanding and less acceptance. That's just between the sexes of the same people.
You want to keep people with diametrically opposed views out?! what's your stance on God? religion? abortion? gun control? tell me your single held conviction and I will find an American, born and bred that strongly opposes that view.
This is how Trump won. You are so engrossed in hating, rejecting and misunderstanding democracy itself.
Your world view and reasoning structure is practically medieval. If you are such an enlightened (non-evil) individual and your way of life is SO MUCH better why not teach others? why not elevate the rest of the world instead of rejecting it?
In a language you can process; if you reject others and deny them help forget about them helping you but if you just let your struggling neighbour rot that stink will be in your house too. (isn't that very much against the spirit of Judeo-Christian beliefs anyhow??)
So IT'S ON!
I'll get the popcorn.
Now it reads "No Vacancy"
"Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
That's the state budget you dummy. Californians contribute more to federal revenue in proportion to what they get back than all but a handful of other (blue) states. That's why it's fair to say that CA subsidizes red states. Whether or not that's a good argument for secession is another story.
Which part of the constitution/country is founded on "Judeo-Christian philosophy"? Go ahead, site a source. I'll wait.
"Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
No idea? Ask Steve Job's dad?
The concept is simple, you're a guest in someone else's home. The host can of course decide who to invite, what they can do and how long they can stay. But it's pretty damn rude to tell someone they can crash on your couch and then on the day they're coming out of the blue go "sorry, don't want you on my couch because I don't trust you" without any clear reason. And everything else is sold out, leaving the guest with no other choice but to abort his trip and go home.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Are people who came before them "talented"?
They were not immigrants, they were conquerors.
You mean the guy who married a H-1B visa turned green card (for "extraordinary ability") fashion model? Yea, a real patriot. Clearly he cares about keeping out those dirty immigrants and holding back those who steal American jobs--unless he can personally fuck them.
Conservatives are all about fellating big business. Libertarians are all about letting big business run wild with no restraints whatsoever. You need a venn diagram?
You're more likely to be killed by your living room furniture than by a "terrorist". No, I'm not kidding.
Before Trump became president I did wonder if some of the fears were a bit overblown... I mean, would he really cancel elections in 4 years time if it looks like he was going to lose? But now he is ordering investigations into voter fraud, which everyone who has looked at it concluded never happened on any significant scale (certainly not the 3 million or whatever his latest claim is).
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Obama similar executive order in 2011 for Iraq for 6 months and then signed the Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 https://www.congress.gov/bill/... , which restricted Libya, Somalia, and Yemen 3 of the 7 countries .
Consular nonreviewability applies to this case. Legal Aliens at the border have virtually no constitutional rights, this settled case law. The judge is way out of line shooting down the other order.
If the United States was a meritocracy, George W. Bush would be lucky to be the assistant manager of a Burger King, and you'd find 50% of investment bankers and dot com millionaires coming from a background of destitution because they studied hard in school.
Removing privacy rights for foreigners is also likely to make the US more vulnerable to attack, because countries will stop sharing information. The EU won't give the US data on travellers, for example.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
NYC here. I was on the subway last night and all of a sudden there was a heavy river of liquid rolling down the car towards my feet. I figured somebody dropped their water bottle but no, it was this white guy who let loose with a flood of urine. He didn't seem to mind, just shifted in his seat and relaxed back. I didn't vote for Trump either. But I'm beginning to see that certain types of people just can't hold their water. I'm not sure I like having them riding in the same car I'm in, some rethinking is in order here.
Austrian.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
You don't seem to realize that you people are reacting EXACTLY as Bin Laden wanted you to. He baited you and you fell for it. Look at what our nation has become since 9/11. Bin Laden wanted to destroy our freedom, and he has succeeded because Americans are predictable morons. He knew exactly what he was doing, how we would react, and what the result would be. And you let him.
It can't hurt for us to keep our word, for starters. We already gave them the assurance of the US government that they could travel to/stay in the country--now they try to act on this, and we tell them, "HA-ha! We had our fingers crossed!"?
As a practical matter, if Trump keeps up such shenanigans, it might not be very long at all before Americans visiting or living overseas find their visas vanishing into thin air in retaliation.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444370/donald-trump-refugee-executive-order-no-muslim-ban-separating-fact-hysteria
So we should ignore terrorism until it enters the top 10 of causes of death ?
You've got a real hangup with simple bodily functions. You should discuss it with your therapist.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
First doesn't matter. Doing it right matters. The US has the best space tech in the world. Trump's going to ruin that, sure, but at least for now we're good.
Yeah! Fuck freedom and liberty for everybody! What this world needs is more oppression.
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Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
I find it ironic that you don't recognize that people like you are one of the problems you mentioned that needs fixing.
Feel free to return to wherever it was that your ancestors came from, then.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
I think you win the internet for today.
Seriously? You're going pick on girls for demanding to be treated well?
What did you expect from a president with no shame and no clue?
Uh, are you suggesting that whites aren't the most privileged in our society? Who is more privileged?
I took the liberty of updating that bit of The New Colossus to a more Trump-friendly version, with apologies to Emma Lazarus:
"Get away, you tired, you poor,
You huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
Keep this wretched refuse on your own teeming shore.
Remain homeless, tempest-tost far from me,
I shit here, on my golden throne!"
https://plus.google.com/+Niels...Ørgaard/posts/eDyVERPWz6S
What does that mean even? By some arbitrary quantity derived from some nonsensical macroeconomic model that doesn't have anything to do with actual real world?
You can bet Slovenia and Russia will be safe too.
Next up, mandatory torture for all immigrants. Except Slovenians and Russians, naturally.
The number of people who have committed terrorist acts in the US from the countries in the executive order between 1975 and 2015 is zero, so take that bowl of chocolates, remove any poison but do keep on screaming about it just like Trump is.
Austrian, Bavarian, Brandenburgian, who cares what kind of German..
Well, with thal logic, Canadians and Mexicans are also Americans, making the wall Trump wants to build kind of moot.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
But it's still the owner's house and you don't know what they know regardless of your assigning them no "clear reason". That's just some grammar you tacked on in an attempt to cutoff a rebut. As is "everything else is sold out". It's not even close to sold out - plenty of space and resources - it's because their kith, kin and neighbors just don't want them.
The two parties that are benefitting from the current system aren't going to change it, and nobody else can.
No, Bin Laden wanted to destroy the US.
I have a bowl of 1000 chocolates for you to try. One of the chocolates is poisoned
If you double that figure you get the deaths from terrorism, ... WORLD WIDE. Yes, you're off by a factor of 2 and already taking into account shitholes run by terrorists. Now if you were a lovely little ignorant American you'd realise that 3100 Americans have died from terrorism in the past 15 years. 2.6million Americans die each year.
Now if you give me a bowl with 13500 chocolates and statistically one of them is poisoned, I'll eat far more than one.
Now where's my chocolate you retarded master of economics? But you're not are you? You haven't got a master of economics, or you'd also know basic things that the US does not have the highest immigration rate, not per capita, not per GDP, not per landmass, not in total. In fact not in any metric.
I think I'll immigrate to America. They say ignorance is bliss and it must be oh so blissful there.
It isn't even a Muslim ban, not when it's missing a majority of the nations with Muslim majority e.g. UAE, Saudis, Malaysia, Turkey, Jordan, Palestine...
The Washington Post has an article showing the list of Muslim countries whose people are banned from entering the U.S. The common trait is they have no Trump business ties. Welcome to Fascism in the old sense of the word.
So you're saying there is a clear reason? Do tell, what is it? Because thus far the Trump administration has only made comments about terrorism, which don't actually apply given no immigrants from any of the countries involved have ever, in human history, conducted a terror attack on Americans.
These are people who have already been vetted, they've already been approved for coming over, they're frequently fleeing persecution and war and terror in their own countries, and we've told them "Sure come over... oh, now you've sold everything and come over, we were only kidding!"
We lied to them. Our nation lied and broke promises to desperate, innocent, people, and our lies are going to kill many of them. Even when we turned back Jews in 1938 - Jews like Anne Frank (you know what happened to her, right?) we at least hadn't issued them visa and green cards, they knew there was a chance they would be turned back.
Fuck you for trying to justify this.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Thanks a bunch, you've got me whistling that tune now.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Trump would be confused by your post, if he ever read it. "How dare they compare pure Aryan Wernher von Braun witth turban wearning camel herders?"
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Your analogy is a perfect reason why we should never ever vote for any Republican, even for a dog catcher position. He/she could be a Trump. Why take risk, vote Democratic.
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Plenty of immigrants are xenophobic, that's why we should stop them.
Daesh (or ISIS if one wants to pander to their own self-propagandising title) aimed to force Muslims on to their side by committing extreme and unjustifiable acts that would be reflect on- and be associated with- Muslims as a whole by the greater world, increasing discrimination and prejudice against them- and, in turn, increasing the hostility of Muslims as a whole in the face of this prejudice- forcing them into the hands of Daesh and their allies.
For this to work, you need people to respond in the planned kneejerk manner.
Step forward, Donald J Trump. Your executive order blanket-banning people from Muslim countries and plans to discriminate on the basis of religion are *exactly* what they planned for and wanted.
Well done. You played right into their hands. You are ISIS/Daesh's useful idiot.
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From the SMH Key phrase.
When the Cato Institute is calling you out on racist policies you know you're up shit creek.
The real irony here is that Trump and his alt-right claque are banning travellers from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen and justifying it by citing 911 but the countries that the 911 terrorists came from are not on the list, especially Saudi Arabia and the UEA and keep in mind these are the same countries whose citizens are covertly funding ISIS. On top of that Trump set up a series of shell companies to handle a hotel deal in Saudi Arabia and he did it after his bid for president: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-... at the same time as he was lambasting Clinton for taking donations from the Saudis.
My favourite parts:
"They [Saudis] buy apartments from me, ... They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.”
"I would want to protect Saudi Arabia, ... But Saudi Arabia is going to have to help us economically. They were making, before the oil went down ... they were making $1 billion a day.”
So rich countries that can make tribute payments to the Trump regime and whose citizens are financially benefitting Trumps companies are not destined for 'the list' even though these countries are financing terrorist organisations that attack and kill US citizens but others including some that are actually fighting ISIS in Syria make the list. I suppose Trump supporters have a hard time spelling 'hypocrisy'.
Yes, written by the French, for us, no thanks, they can keep all the Muslim terrorists.
No, he's not a fascist, fascist leaning but not full on. We need a new term, a YUGE term if you will.
maybe...
Corporofascisolationism
Trump may actually be a good thing in the long run.
He might get Democrats and Republicans talking to each other again, maybe looking past their minor differences and finding compromise.\
Yeah, I'm a snowflake. I like being a snowflake though, when we get together we cover all, even the mighty Sahara Desert, we become the streams that nourish the rebirth of spring, bring the growth of summer and the bounty of fall. Then we begin again...
Donald Trump, on a crusade to make Nixon look respectable
This is still at 1 currently, but the press in Europe has spent the last couple of days pointing out that this is a violation of the Privacy Shield that was negotiated as replacement for the International Safe Harbor Privacy Principles, which was found to be invalid under EU law. If Privacy Shield is not in effect, then any EU company sharing data on EU citizens with a US company and any US company not compartmentalising its data on EU citizens into EU-registered subsidiaries may be liable for fines up to a few hundred million Euros.
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Lovely. Not a week in and this is already somehow fault of Obama.
California's boycott of Arizona was successful and turned Arizona into a dystopian wasteland populated by shambling zombies.
Thing is, nobody noticed.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Congratulations, you walked right into the trap.
So... you are saying Trump is trying to deceive the American people? How is it a trap otherwise?
Syria is the only country named in the order.
So? The order specifically has provision for a list. More than just Syria is on the list.
The other 6 were part of a law that Obama signed a year or two ago.
Waahh waaah it's obummres fault evuhl gubbermint #MAGA.
Obama didn't ban those people from entering. Trump did. Now take responsibility for the fascist you voted for, you coward.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
The president can type up all the proclamations he wants. Some things he can do. Lots of things he can't. Re-writing law on the fly from his office isn't one of them. If changing laws to suit the whims of the president were simply a matter of signing a typed out document in front of cameras, congress would have been out on the streets looking for employment centuries ago.
So when trumpity trump trump drags the photographer and a few suits into the office to sign off on another one of his paper tweets - er executive orders, to proclaim how he's just done something like eliminate laws or increase the size of the military or fired the EPA, he's wasting paper. No matter the bluster and pomp of the bullshit, this county is not and never has been run by executive orders. The congress, the courts, the states are all partners and they don't have to go along with the trumpity trump trump.
Congress passes the law. The Courts interpret the law. The executive branch enforces the interpretation. It's not one guy making statements and singing papers.
He wants you to THINK he's doing this stuff because it plays well to his base, and is way easier than actually doing some thing.
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Western SJW's shocked to see a leader who's actually proud to stand up for his country. Film at eleven!
Being evil to refugees is not the same as standing up for your country. If anything, it's the opposite.
But hey it's happened before. Here's a lovely example which is not a proud moment in the history of either my country or yours (and Canada for good measure):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Spoiler alert: A third of them were slaughtered by the Nazis. History does not look kindly upon that event and it won't look kindly on this one either.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Your analogy is off by orders of a magnitude. Quit trying to justify irrational fear.
Here are some actual numbers:
In 2016 'islamic' terrorists were responsible for 0.3% of the all the murders in the US.
Over the last 15 years they were responsible for 123 out of 240,000+ murders or just 0.051%.
In 2015 more people were killed by toddlers than were killed by 'islamic' terrorists.
On average, toddlers kill 2x more americans than 'islamic' extremists do.
Which law did Obama sign that enacted a ban on people from Iraq or Iran with legal US visas?
You are welcome on my lawn.
I'm not sure. Wasn't rationale for the wall an economic one rather than nationalist one?
Well, maybe the people getting all the money spent on them.
The people the law discriminates towards, rather than against.
The people with better outcomes.
Me, I'm not seeing any white privilege. Why are you even asking such a stupid question.
You seem to believe the existence in a grand conspiracy of leftists AND consider the entire process to be some sort of adversarial game. Eh whatever, my country has its own problems, but at least many of the people who voted for Trump are likely to get fucked by him, so it's kind of karmic justice I guess. The trouble is of course everyone else (except his very rich friends) will also get fucked.
Anyway after 4 (or 8!) years of disaster, I look forwards to you continuing to blame everyone else.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
It was about one ago trump and its supporters said we can't help refugees until we help homeless veterans. Well, it appears trump and its supporters haven't helped homeless veterans. Now the trump wants to triple the size of the military to carry out this country's international policy and its own personal monetary wealth building policy. Yeah, there are a lot of things the U.S. should fix but to a majority, trump isn't fixing anything. It appears he is attempting to break things. And no, I will not leave the U.S. just because I don't approve of trump.
Wernher von Braun
Blurring the lines between "refugee" and "abductee" with this example.
I heard the planners of 9/11 said they failed to complete all their terrorist activities because they spent the night before in a trump Hotel. The Holiday Inn Express was all booked the night before. See, trump is a hero.
This is hardly a welfare state except for the wealthy moochers who use people like slaves. They started a class war against the middle class, they buy politicians of both parties to give them tax breaks, subsidies that never end, huge megaphones to spout their propaganda about moochers, worse health care outcomes because of the higher costs that make homeowner loose their homes. Yes, we're seeing and will see a lot worse I'm afraid in the days to come. We now have the rule of wealth and extreme selfishness.
Even people with green cards, who had been welcomed to the country before, were suddenly arrested at the border and put in detention. Without warning. Without reason. I can not think of any other country in the world that treats people with valid residency permits with such contempt.
The claim of "clairvoyancy" and being able to determine who will do harm based strictly on the god they worship is the single biggest factor for why people voted for trump, or so it appears. It's also why the "fortune teller" at county fairs is quickly becoming one of the a big draws. And now one of those fortune tellers is POTUS. Yeah for 'merica.'
Really? So when was the last time American astronauts rode into space on an American rocket? What about all those Russian rocket engines the U.S. buys?
Greatness and dominance in the U.S. circles around to the use of guns and violence to trump and its supporters? Tell me again why trump wants to ban a certain religious group? Yes, the U.S. is a first-world nation but our civility is certainly in question since that small and not very well attended event on Jan. 20, 2017. Guess Obama didn't get all our guns or completely turn us into a Muslim nation. But another week or two and it would have been "mission accomplished?"
Uh, your share of the $20T national debt is also pretty. The rest of us can overcome that once you're gone. Just make CA a part of Baja CA and you'll have Pena Nieto as your president. His endorsement is all that Gavin Newsome will need to be elected viceroy of Sacramento
Obama's orders about getting in an unlimited number of Muslims would have indeed 'accomplished the mission'
Austrian by birth but ethnically German.
Thankfully, w/ the new embassy management wherever you are, you'll be denied a visa
So today, all the SJWs have mod points? Sad!
If it was a Muslim ban, how are Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia and Malaysia not on that list - along w/ a mechanism in US consulates in India to deny Muslims any visas?
It's a start but Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Turkey shouldn't have been left out of the list. San Bernardino - after which Trump first made his Muslim ban announcement - was done by a Paki, whose wife was indoctrinated in Mecca. Orlando by an Afghan. 9/11 by Saudis. Turkey has been undergoing a re-Islamization w/ ISIS right next door to Gaziantep, and it's the gateway to Raqqa.
>"in this new scaremongering era of Trump."
Riiiiight.
Please review the history of this country since 9/11. Trump is an extension of what has been happening all along. The terrorists won a long time ago when the American people decided to choose the illusion of safety over security. It wasn't Trump who passed the so-called "Patriot Act", it was a bipartisan Congress, along with all the other Constitution-eroding legislation. And just as many rights and privacies have been stripped from citizens under Obama as any other President during the era.
The problem we have is not something invented by Trump. These problems are not likely not going to get any better under him, but let's not pretend that there is suddenly some new threat, because it is not new.
"Muslims are coming for Jews" as a justification to ban immigrant from predominantly Muslim nations? That seems like an endless loop of craziness. That is until a leader proclaims "America first". Proclaims "I will triple the size of the military." Proclaims "I am the greatest." Proclaims "We are a Christian nation." Well, I never saw any of this coming until trump took office. He never gave us a clue to how he was going to lead this country if elected. At least he thinks his power should be limited if there is a financial conflict of interest. I'm certainly happy there are many women in the U.S. who now have a safe place to be grabbed and smooched on by the stars of the GOP.
Since you wanna play statistical games, this order will affect less than 1% of all international travellers. So you can stop being such a drama queen!
Research is the key, unixsc. I'm sure you did extensive research into your claim of "unlimited." Fox News?
The US is part of a larger world. Like it or not, what happens elsewhere matters, and matters to us. We can build walls, shut doors, or whatever we like. But the 7+ billion other people will still be out there. Fighting with each other sure, but also cooperating with each other, learning from each other, etc.
Withdrawing from the world allows others to set the agenda, to form partnerships that may not favor us. I'm sure China and Russia will be happy to step in where we've walked away.
"Helping everyone else" is not just a morally decent thing to do, it also helps us in the long run.
California and NYC did speak up for them, by voting for Hillary, who ran on an immigration/refugee friendly platform. Obviously, most of the rest of the country disappears; it may seem odd to you, but rust belt voters don't really care much about the visas of Google employees making $100k+ no matter where they may be from. Even in high tech, that solidarity seems to be rather mixed, if you look at the vitriol people in high tech spew over H1b visas and outsourcing.
The next opportunity for that will be four years from now. Both R's and D's should work on creating a favorable political narrative for themselves and identifying candidates that represent the people.
So far, both parties seem to be burying their heads in the ground. And D's in particular seem to be doubling down on stupid policies and awful candidates. So far, it looks like we are looking at 8 years of orange baboon.
35% of Syrians [in the US] 25 years and older have a Bachelor's degree or more, compared to 24.4% of all Americans. *
Median Syrian-American family income is 58k/year, significantly higher than national median of 50k (2000 census numbers). *
Number of Syrian doctors: "A study published in Health Policy in 2007 analyzed the dynamics of international immigration patterns of physicians to the United States and found that Syria has a higher-than-expected physicians immigration rates. [4] In fact, Syria was the sixth country among the top eight countries which have a higher-than-expected rate and the second Arab country after Lebanon when adjusting for the population size". **
Sources:
* http://www.census.gov/prod/200...
** http://www.avicennajmed.com/ar...
Au contraire! I think president Trump is displaying great vision and great awareness of the US role in history! Its current role is to decline and eventually collapse. Trump has realized this and is doing his very best to ensure it is happening soonest, no matter the cost. I, for one, salute his efforts!
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
You are _really_ out of touch with reality - yes, objectively measured reality.
Only because of their impressive lack of personal hygiene. The actually 'conquerors' were much smaller than the typical Pilgrim.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
It's not a "whim", it's what he ran on. It's also not a permanent ban but an additional review. In addition, take it from a former immigrant: you always run the risk of being denied entry upon returning to the country; that's nothing new whatsoever.
"I'm French! How do think I got this outrageous accent?"
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
So... business as usual. That's why, as an immigrant, you avoid international travel, and you most certainly avoid international travel into conflict areas.
Why would he want to "destroy our freedom"? Al-Quaida wanted US to stop interfering in international affairs, if they succeeded in that is yet to be seen but the current president seem to support a return to isolationism.
"Go 'way! I'm bating!"
Yet another 'instructional video'.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Daesh isn't al-Quaida.
This has always been a risk for green card holders in the US; saying the wrong thing, innocent mistakes, or even mistakes on the part of the system could get you to lose your green card and wreck your life. People put up with it because immigrating to the US is worth it.
If California goes (it won't - it's just posturing), then Oregon and Washington would tag along. You'd have 'Portlandia' which would be remarkably self sufficient.
Nice daydream, however. We're all going down the same tube of orange hair cream. (What in the fucking hell is actually in that stuff?
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
It actually does mean that. The EU moves a bit slow, but EU-citizen's data on US servers and maybe even on servers owned by US companies will be a thing of the past very soon.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Military historians wouldn't agree with that interpretation...
Why do you embarrass yourself? Everyone with eyes knows that I didn't say that. Have you ever considered a career in journalism? They are eager to hire dishonest little pricks like you.
See that "Preview" button?
Uh Oh. We'd better start a war on thunderstorms, tornadoes, peanuts, Ikea, MacDonalds, any power generation technology, alcohol (should have put that first), tobacco, firearms (hey, this is fun).
Go back to your bomb shelter and hope the zombies don't get you.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
And the Orange Fluff is looking out for The Rest of Us?
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Onward Christian Solders, Marching As to War ......
Peace, brother.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
God damned Crispr-Cas9. I just knew it was going to get us into trouble.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Odds are he's smarter than you. Odds are he's more honorable than you. Definitely more tact and social grace than you.
So your argument is, "let them rape and murder you, or else they will rape and murder you."
No, it isn't. Where did I say anything remotely like that?
You're either trying- very incompetently, I might add- to shove words in my mouth, or you don't even understand something that's pretty straightforward and in your own words... "you're a fucking moron."
a terrorist sympathizer, and worst of all.. An abject coward.
Er, whatever. How does frustration at someone incompetently playing into Daesh's hands make me a "terrorist sympathizer"? Or an "abject coward"?- that doesn't even make sense.
Their whole plan depends on people like you responding exactly like you do. Useful idiots like yourself.
You're either a weasel trying to shut down something you don't like with smear tactics or you genuinely believe what you're saying because you're "a fucking moron". Not sure which.
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My odds of dying from poisoned chocolate are probably about the same as dying in a terrorist attack. Seek psychiatric help, because you have mental health issues
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Daesh isn't al-Quaida.
Yeah, I should have been clearer there. My point was that this was a similar- and very up-to-date- example of the sort of leader more concerned with looking macho and pandering to his own ego and voter base at the expense of doing the hard work and effectively (but less showily) destroying them. The sort of thing that plays right into a terrorist group's hands by giving *exactly* the type of response they'd planned for.
They're obviously not the same entity, but the stupidity is similar enough in both cases.
"Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
If by "deceive the American people" you mean "keep the campaign promise he had been making for 18 months", then you might have a point. But of course, that makes no sense, at least not in English.
It is a trap in that he used a list made up by Obama, one that did not include several majority-Muslim countries that have actually been implicated in terrorist attacks. And now, people like you are raising hell about that, and effectively demanding that he extend this policy by adding them to the list.
He told you exactly what he was going to do, and then he did it. And you lot didn't have the good sense to think before you REEEEd, so now tens of millions of his supporters are pointing at you and laughing at your self-inflicted tears.
Nah, I voted for Trump. If you think he is the fascist, then you weren't watching the news. Was it Republicans that were attacking Democrats and shutting down her rallies? Did we watch videos of Democrats getting pelted with rocks and eggs? Chased down by packs of ferals and beaten? Sucker punched on the street?
- unknown, but chillingly accurate
See that "Preview" button?
WTF do you think is happening? The US is defined by its principles and, since 9/11, these principles are being discarded.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
SJW mods, please note: disagreeing with my comments does not make the facts overrated or flamebait, and I am certainly not a troll. Feel free to scream into a pillow instead if you need to let off steam, but don't break the Slashdot mod system simply because you disagree with someone. You claim to be tolerant, live it.
Laws were based on the 10 commandments (it was illegal to murder, steal, commit adultery, tell a lie under oath, etc.) http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/to... While there were other contemporary and historical countries like England with similar laws, they still originate from the 10 commandments. And no Hamurabi's law is not the same thing (and it is actually unlikely that it was first, if you actually want to look at the facts rather than pointed headed professors pet theories aka wild ass guesses).
Here is a list of the founding fathers and their religious affiliations. http://www.adherents.com/gov/F... Notice that there are no Muslims, Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists etc. on that list. The men who wrote the constitution had at their core Judeo-Christian principles and those came through in the constitution. They appeal to God as the source of every person's basic rights in the Declaration of Independence for crying out loud. Everything was centered around ensuring people could live freely and practice Christianity which is why the first Amendment is about freedom of religion and speech. (Note that it is freedom of religion, not freedom from religion or separation of church and state, which does not exist in the constitution at all, the establishment clause only precludes the state from enforcing one religion on the populous).
Regardless of the revisionist BS history lies masquerading as "theories" that have been spread by the progressives as "facts", the truth is there if you are interested in looking, but you must be willing to listen instead of trying to drown out truth and reason with the sound of your own voice.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
Statistically, maybe. In reality, only if you are an idiot. So if you screen out all of the idiots doing dangerous things around their furniture (or living in earthquake zones with heavy, un-anchored furniture), then the odds go to zero... Meaning that no, your furniture is not more dangerous than terrorists. Care to try again?
The only thing being proved here is that there are many people who are bad at understanding statistics.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
No, the real irony here is that Trump didn't even make the list. Obama left it for him.
https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/
So, if you believe that Trump excluded countries that he has business dealings with, you've been watching fake news.
See that "Preview" button?
California's boycott of Arizona was successful
Successful? Are you on crack? It was just a boycott in name only:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion...
City employees were ordered to scrutinize contracts with Arizona companies to see which could legally be canceled but few, if any, were ultimately terminated. The City Council passed exemption after exemption permitting new contracts to be signed with Arizona companies and allowing employees to travel to the state. This week, the council approved a $57.6-million contract for police officer body cameras with Scottsdale-based Taser International. So much for sending a message.
Several other California cities and counties enacted and also failed to follow through on their boycotts.
Seek out a psychiatrist, and in the meantime, take a fucking statistics course.
I have another alternative for LeftCoastThinker - Grow a pair.
I passed through the same Brussels metro station only about 15 mintues before a bomber blew up a train. Normally, I would have been passing through about at the same time, but I had a meeting that morning so I got an earlier train. Over 20 people died in the attack.
I am still taking the same metro. I am not afraid. I see many Muslims on the metro and on the streets every day. I am not scared of them, as they were not responsible. I am not calling for all Muslims to stop being let in and have them kicked out.
The chances of me being injured (let alone killed) in another terrorist attack is so close to zero, that I don't worry - and I think that the chances of me being killed is still orders of magnitude higher that yours.
LeftCoastThinker, you are a racist wuss.
"The best part? I became an ordained minister while not wearing pants." -- CleverNickName
I actually blame the Media, not Trump. Trump (and the people who voted for him) are the symptom. The cause is the Media giving a massively disproportionate amount of news coverage to deaths due to terrorism. Just like they give disproportionate amounts of coverage to child abductions by strangers, school shootings, airliner crashes, nuclear power accidents, etc. All of these are irrationally feared by the public because of irresponsible reporting by the Media. (Child abductions by strangers account for less than 0.01% of missing children cases. Your kids are more likely to be shot outside of school than while at school, so pulling them out of school due to fear of school shootings is actually counter-productive. The drive to/from the airport is typically more dangerous than the flight. And nuclear power is statistically the safest method of generating electricity that man has invented.)
Can you show me a military historian that would argue that Japan had any real chance of straight up winning the war?
How many Russian robots are there on Mars?
Because Obama wouldn't have done it.
The probability of you dying from getting out of bed in the morning is non-zero. Or eating breakfast, or driving a car, or basically anything. You going to ban everything?
Take a look at the comments in that article; while he's calling out CNN and others for reporting 'fake news', he's the one that's actually making conclusions that aren't based on fact. Scan through the comments, it's not quite the story he claims.
WTF are you talking about? I am an immigrant and travel quite often, both for business and leisure.
This is a common error known as Simpson's Paradox. When you divide a statistical population into arbitrary (unrelated) groupings, you can end up with trends within each group which contradict the trend as a whole. The best know recent example is Trump winning the Presidency despite losing the popular vote - because the Electoral College tally is divided into groupings by state. Another example is Derek Jeter's and Dave Justice's batting averages from 1995-1997. In all three of those years, Justice had a higher average than Jeter. But for all three years combined, Jeter had a higher average than Justice.
It's pretty easy to disprove the notion that there's any correlation between tax contributions/receipt and voting record (blue/red-ness) of state. Imagine if there were just two states each with a population of three individuals:
Red State
R1: pays $100 in taxes
R2: pays $100 in taxes
D3: receives $300 in benefits
Blue state
R1: pays $500 in taxes
D2: receives $200 in benefits
D3: receives $200 in benefits
In this example, all the Red voters are tax payers, and all the Blue voters are benefit recipients. Yet the Blue state is the net tax payer, and the Red state is the net tax recipient The correlation you're assuming between these two stats (tax payment/receipt and voting record of state) doesn't exist.
In particular, Republicans tend to have higher incomes than Democrats. People with higher incomes pay a higher percentage of their income as taxes (up to about $2 million, above which the percentage falls but still remains higher than the tax rate paid by people making less than $500k). Ergo, Republicans tend to pay more taxes per capita than Democrats. Dividing it up by states just allows you to silently and deceptively shift the tax contributions of Republicans in Blue states into the Blue category, even though they're paid by Red voters. And assign blame for benefits received by Democrats in Red states into the Red category.
How exactly are women treated better than men?
Good point. But is the media just catering to its audience, or are they driving the mania?
https://twitter.com/realDonald...
I guess you've never looked into the American justice system. Start there.
'Permanent residents' can and often are deported after completing their sentences for felonies.
It can really suck if they don't speak their 'native' languages, in those cases they should have become citizens while they had the chance.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
It was Bush who invaded Iraq.
The Washington Post has an article showing the list of Muslim countries whose people are banned from entering the U.S. The common trait is they have no Trump business ties. Welcome to Fascism in the old sense of the word.
That's technically true but still dishonest reporting by the Washington Post.
The claim "Trump's immigration moratorium is targeted at majority-Muslim countries" -- this claim is 21% accurate [i.e. basically false].
The claim "Trump's moratorium is targeted at Iran, plus those countries with civil unrest and poor-functioning central government" -- this claim is 98% accurate (only exception is Afghanistan)
The claim "Trump's moratorium is targeted at majority-Muslim countries save for those where he has business interests" -- this claim is 38% accurate (major exceptions include Pakistan, Bangladesh, Algeria, Morocco, Uzbekistan, Niger, Malaysa).
There are the news reports that Trump's 90-day immigration moratorium is aimed at majority-Muslim countries excepting those where he has/had business interests. And also calling it a "Muslim ban". But those narratives don't fit the facts. Here's the list of majority-Muslim countries in descending order of population, plus those with severe civil unrest, and those subject to the moratorium. I'm measuring accuracy by country count. I should really come up with a more sophisticated measure of accuracy, but can't be bothered...
Indonesia [trump business interests]
Pakistan
Nigeria [not majority-muslim, has civil unrest but well-functioning government]
Bangladesh
Mexico [not majority-muslim, but has civil unrest due to drug war but otherwise well-functioning government]
Iran [30day ban]
Turkey [trump business interests]
Egypt [trump business interests]
Algeria
Sudan [30day ban, civil unrest]
Morocco
Iraq [30day ban, severe civil unrest]
Afghanistan [severe civil unrest]
Uzbekistan
Saudi Arabia [trump business interests]
Yemen [30day ban, civil unrest]
Syria [30day ban, severe civil unrest]
Niger
Malaysia
Mali
Senegal
Burkina Faso
Tunisia
Somalia [30day ban, civil unrest]
Kazakhstan
Azerbaijan [trump business interests]
Guinea
Chad
Tajikistan
Jordan
Libya [30day ban, civil unrest]
Kyrgyzstan
Turkmenistan
Mauritania
Siera Leone
United Arab Emirates [trump business interest]
Kuwait
Oman
Lebanon
Gambia
Kosovo
Qatar [trump business interests]
Bahrain
Comoros
Western Sahara
Maldives
Mayotte
Cocos (Keeling) Islands
Note: I'm not a Trump supporter. I've written to my representative and senators to add my voice against him, and I marched with my family last Saturday. On the other hand, I think the media have been FAILING us liberals by giving incomplete or misleading journalism -- articles that are designed to inflame our passions and attract our clicks, but without having the solid factual basis needed for us to engage with our republican friends.
Well for starters he is anti-Muslim and misogynistic.
If by "deceive the American people"
You're the one who claimed he laid a trap. A trap implies deception.
It is a trap in that he used a list made up by Obama,
Simple question: did Obama ban those people from entering the US?
And now, people like you are raising hell about that, and effectively demanding that he extend this policy by adding them to the list.
Ah, I see you've reached the "truth doesn't cut it so I'll invent lies" part of the argument.
Thing is you're not actually denying that what Trump's doing is bad or illegal. No, instead you're yet again trying to (a) blame it on other people and (b) claim that other people are somehow worse in other ways. The first is bullshit, the second is irrelevant. Sadly your attitude is very typical modern right wing thinking: under no circumstances ever, EVER take responsibility for your actions.
If you think he is the fascist, then you weren't watching the news
So your proof that Trump isn't a fascist is that someone else did something else. Riiiight.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Absolutely. The fact is that the odds of being killed by a terrorist are minuscule. The fear exhibited here and elsewhere is just simply irrational. It has no basis in reality at all. It demonstrates ably how people simply have very piss poor risk assessment capacity beyond immediate threats. The whole thing is just another version of the "red menace", the "Yellow hoard", "the Papist plot" and a hundred other fantastical unhinged conspiracy theories built out of the ease with which people can be literally frightened out of their wits by the most improbable threats. Meanwhile, today alone there will be, on average, 90 automobile fatalities, which works out to an average of 3.75 automobile fatalities per hour.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
The nukes didn't end or win the war. What they did was ensure unconditional surrender by Japan.
Muslim terrorists accounted for ~20% of all US murders in 2001. Sounds pretty damn statistically significant to me. And that was just one successful attack by less than 20 people. If you factor in the death rate for the age group killed (average age was 40) it was even more significant statistically. Just because they haven't been having much success in the US more recently doesn't mean they won't keep trying and it doesn't mean we need to import more terrorists.
The UN exists for this kind of thing and should have set up refugee camps long ago and still should to provide safe haven for the refugees. ISIS will leave armed, well positioned solders and civilians alone, or die quickly, especially when they are backed by the US military.
BTW, Obama banned the same Muslim countries in 2011 and no one lost their shit or protested.
https://sethfrantzman.com/2017...
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
No, not at all. But how about a sense of perspective here.
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Umm, so you are apparently unaware that the countries Trump's immigration ban apply to was created by Obama. Trump did not come up with these seven countries. He just applied his executive order to the seven countries which the Obama Administration had already designated as countries of special concern relatvie to people coming to the U.S. from those countries.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
It is neither bad, nor illegal. I have no problem saying this directly: I voted for him because I wanted him to do the things he is doing. I'm not blaming you for what he is doing, I'm laughing at you while you scramble to keep up with a guy that you think is an idiot.
And no, a trap does not imply deception. Have you never played chess? There is no deception in chess, but there are lots and lots of traps.
So, what is your proof that Trump is fascist? I've given you examples of actual, real fascism in America and invited you to contrast that with what you call fascism. What have you got?
See that "Preview" button?
Just block them all and let god sort them out.
It's disturbing how confidently you seem to state your opinions while knowing nothing of the subject. I've known this woman for years and have watched her loosen up and become more liberal in her time in America. Have you ever met anybody from one of these countries? I work with people from all over the world and have met several Iranians, most of whom are very hard working and friendly people. One started a small business that now employs several Americans.
Your education about the Muslim religion is severely lacking. It's a cult to the same extent that Christianity is a cult. I don't understand the appeal of any organized religion, since it makes as much logical sense to me as astrology, but I don't begrudge people their belief so long as they don't try to impose their beliefs on me or give their beliefs the force of law.
Give me a quote. I'm not reading all of the comments there any more than I would read here on -1. Of the ones I did read, it is mostly people pretending that he said things that he did not say - and they vanish without a trace when the author calls them out.
See that "Preview" button?
Care to provide a citation for that figure
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There is indeed a clear reason. The reason was that the Obama Administration felt that people who had VISITED the seven countries it applies to needed greater scrutiny than others and the Trump Administration decided that if VISITORS to those countries needed greater scrutiny then certainly RESIDENTS of those countries did as well. Since a system of greater scrutiny did not currently exist for the residents of those countries, Trump decided to ban everyone until such a time as he could cause one to be created.
I do not agree with the order, but it had a reason (and it was something Trump promised to do during the campaign).
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
I'm sorry, I should obviously have said "...that's why smart immigrants avoid...". It's because the US government can deny you reentry any time and you have little recourse. My recommendation: cut back on the international travel until you have a US passport.
However, the simple fact is that as a non-citizen, travel is and always has been risky.
Sorry, that's bullshit. I've been (and am) an immigrant on a number of countries and never had any issues travelling, nor worried about being unable to return.
15,980 murders in 2001, when terrorists killed 2996 on 9-11
2996/15980 = 18.7%
https://archives.fbi.gov/archi...
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friends and colleagues? no, they are those who are displacing U.S. workers.
you spew words without critical thinking skills, most the muslim countries in this world are not banned, plenty of the ones not banned Trump has had no business dealings. Therefore this is not a ban on muslims, not a ban on places where Trump has no business interest.
eh, how does this ban on counties identified by the Obama administration as either "terrorist havens" or "state sponsors of terrorism" in any way affect 97% of countries with data processing contracts with the USA? maybe you're just being hysterical.
AM radio
Your carefree nature doesn't change the legal reality.
All we are saying is give peas a chance!
Oh, you sure did prove that - just not in the way you think you did.
"Carefree"? Jesus. Not on the US anymore it seems, but in the rest of the civilized world the chances of being denied access to a country with a valid resident visa are the same chances of being hit by lightning. In a submarine.
I honestly can't believe you're arguing this visa cancellations are normal, nor that travelling "is risky".
No. Japan was never a serious threat to the US. Actually, neither was Germany, but it was a lot more reasonable. Germany *was* a serious threat to Britain, as Japan was to China, Australia, etc.
At that time the oceans were actually a pretty effective moat, but Germany could have taken over some South or Central American countries and used them as a staging ground. I don't think Japan could have done that. They *did* threaten Hawaii, but at the time that was a possession or territory, not a real part of the US.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
You don't seem to realize that you people are reacting EXACTLY as Bin Laden wanted you to. He baited you and you fell for it. Look at what our nation has become since 9/11. Bin Laden wanted to destroy our freedom, and he has succeeded because Americans are predictable morons. He knew exactly what he was doing, how we would react, and what the result would be. And you let him.
You're only half right.
Bin Laden didn't care about your freedom, he cared about Muslims. This was his plan.
1. Get the US to invade Afghanistan.
2. The US gets bogged down in a bloody war.
3. This was radicalizes the Muslim world.
4. Muslims overthrow their semi-secular dictatorships.
5. Muslims establish the caliphate.
Now in #1 he succeeded, #2 didn't quite work out Afghanistan but when Bush decided to invade Iraq #2 was also a success.
#3 was only a partial success, there's a lot more radicalization but there's still a ton of moderates.
#4 was also a failure, Saddam fell, as did a few others in the Arab spring, but he didn't get the general radical uprising he wanted.
#5 is also a failure, sure ISIS claimed to be the caliphate, but the caliphate was supposed to unite the Muslim world, not just chunks of a few countries, and ISIS is collapsing anyway.
Now the big challenge for ISIS and Al Queda is to radicalize more Muslims. The big risk for them is moderate Muslims emigrating West, further moderating Western Muslim populations, and then that moderation spreading back to their countries of origin.
If ISIS had a Christmas list then Trump's Executive Order would have been at the top of it.
I stole this Sig
It isn't arbitrary, Federal vs State budgets and taxes are actually separate already before any of this analysis is done. It may have been arbitrary when established, but once entrenched it is simply the reality that you have to accept.
Then you jump through insane hoops to try to pretend that Democrats are just stupid dillweeds who don't create any economic activity, even in rich States where they are the majority. You got your whole world-view from AM radio and even though you're educated enough to form sentences and paragraphs, you spew insane bullshit like that without a second thought.
I doubt there is even any hope for you. You can't comprehend how stupid what you said is, and you never will. I mean, you didn't notice that most of the economic activity is from the cities, and the rich states are ones with big cities. In States like California and New York, the Democrats are clustered in the cities, as is the profit and taxes, and the state and federal aid that you worry about is disproportionately given to rural communities. No part of your zero-game fantasy is similar to reality, no part.
Yes. It is painting a virulently incorrect portrait of a small minority group mainly because they are powerless.
But that he's modeling his administrative orders on those of Hitler should, in and of itself, be worrying, even if there were nothing wrong about one of the particular orders.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
OK, so he did manage to uncover how stupid you are being here. You imply that you think the risk of death by terrorism is 1:1000. That's simply wrong. No wonder you come to incorrect conclusions, your input data is garbage.
Too bad for you weird *-ist shit is what popped out, but you were guaranteed some kind of garbage after all.
A later poster challenged that this particular order was modeled after one of Hitler's orders, so it's just the general tenor of the order that matches those of Hitler. This is only of a much lower degree of concern. It's still worse than ethically dubious, and probably won't be carefully fact-checked, which makes it worse.
This publication is on the level of a speech calling for increased vigilante activity against those who are defenseless. Calling it ethically dubious is over-praising it. But it isn't *quite* as bad as the ggp post indicated.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Well I hope the "retaliation" by the rest of the world is "If Trumps wants to visit our country, he must sign onto the sex offenders register" Trump is basically the kind of person he is trying to keep out of America.
You don't seem to realize that you people are reacting EXACTLY as Bin Laden wanted you to. He baited you and you fell for it. Look at what our nation has become since 9/11. Bin Laden wanted to destroy our freedom, and he has succeeded
I have seen no evidence that this was Bin Laden's goal. He wanted to establish a Caliphate in the middle east, and pushing America out of the region was his strategy. It didn't work, because America didn't react the same way as after the Beirut barrack bombings.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Libertarian is a weird way to describe the Cato institute. I agree that they also aren't conservative, i.e. wanting to retain, i.e., conserve, parts of the current system. (Well, they are to an extent, but that isn't how they differ from the mean viewpoint.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
And that's not even getting into the fact that if California seceded, they'd probably lose all of the rural counties that would want to form their own state (such as the already existing movement to form a state called Jefferson,) so California would have basically no farmland with all of those homeless people to feed.
Or water.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Both. It's a feedback relationship.
OTOH, I disagree that nuclear power is the safest. You need to measure the length of time there's a problem, not just the number of people directly killed. It's still a lot safer than coal, however.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
France should ask for the Statue of Liberty back, the US is no longer worthy of having it.
Racism in the US justice system may exist but it's dwarfed by the sexism.
But you haven't really demonstrated any racism in the system. Are white people incarcerated at a lower rate than all other races, in proportion to crime rates, taking into account wealth, location and education?
Bin Laden publicly ignored the Sunni/Shia split.
America wants the Sunni/Shia wars restarted and stalemated for as long as their remaining oil (holds out/remains significant). Which means ISIS vs Iran backed war in Syria and Iraq. Going nicely, except we've backed the Shias too much. We _don't_ want either side to win. Time to back off our involvement and allow the Saudis to bring the Sunnis back up to stalemate.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Well, you're welcome to try to substantiate that claim with some data. I have certainly gotten stuck outside the US for several days until the US got my paperwork in order.
I didn't argue that visa cancellations are "normal", nor that travel restrictions are "normal", but it's a fact of life that they do happen. And when they happen, you have little recourse as an immigrant.
I do argue that it is prudent to minimize travel outside your country of residence as an immigrant. I have lived by that rule, and it has served me well.
The saudis have complete information on their citizens and a long history of interfacing with western governments and providing such information enabling western governments to screen saudi citizens. That screening may be imperfect, but it's at least possible.
No such screening is possible from, for example, Yemen or Libya. Computer records and even old-school paper records are either non-existent or largely fake.
How do you screen people fromplaces with no government records, and possibly no functional governments???? The Obama administration "solved this by lying - they sent their PR flaks to tell the public via compliant Democrat journalists that every person was being screened and that the screening took up to two years per person, but they testified under oath to the congress that there was no proper way to screen these people.
Were urban Californian counties to form their own country they'd no longer subsidize US farmland, and they'd no longer pay the costs of protectionism. US farms would suddenly find themselves forced to compete on a level playing field with the rest of the world for the Californian market. Given that agriculture only amounts to 2% of California's GDP, it seems to me like a win for urban California to *not* take with them that farmland.
I'm not suggesting it's wise for urban California to split from the rest of the country, just that if they did I don't believe those low-output rural counties would necessarily be important to them. Think Singapore...they have very little farmland, they don't produce 100% of their energy needs, and yet per capita they're some of the wealthiest people in the world. Expulsion from Malaysia was the best thing that ever happened to them.
This is why liberals, who have a lot of individualist/libertarian views, do not try to advertise it; the people already squatting on the word are anti-libertarians!
We need a new word for the old thing, because the corporatists will never give up their misuse of the old word.
Obama didn't even sign the executive order, so there is no way he is responsible for selecting what list to use in it.
If there was some list during President Obama's term that had the same countries on it, that is not surprising at all. For context we'd need to know how many different lists of countries a President normally creates during his term, by whatever metric the list is being credited to the President. It is unlikely that the number of lists is going to be so low that the particular combination of countries would be some sort of valuable invention that others would know because those who went before them cited them together in a different context.
Get back in the pile, Wilbur
Maybe, but every Jihadist organization has the Jews in their crosshairs. And that comes right out of the Quran and Sunnah
I've seen more resume faking Americans than indians in my experience. I've interviewed American engineers who couldn't code a hello world program if their life depended on it.
This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal.
Islam is a social, political, religious, and legal system. One might think of it as something like a Christian monastery writ on a larger scale, Western Europeans and their descendants have been invading Islamic territory and trying to force them to adopt our customs and culture for what, about 1,000 years now? What's it like to set up a republic in a country that claims political/religious descent from Mohammed?
If someone is harassing you, have them arrested. The Western world has already won this conflict. Christianity is the world's majority religion, and western europeans and their descendants have a pretty solid lock on world power. Conversely, the countries on the block list are completely insignificant in every measure in comparison to the US. So yes, this Islam-Westerner thing has been going on for a while, and yeah, it's not pretty when it shows up as some thuggish jerks hassling people in quiet neighborhoods. But, not only can the Western world bomb whatever third-world Islamic shithole we want to, we do.
We've known these two social systems aren't compatible for centuries now. Each of our societies actually has rules that say that you can do what you want as long as you don't start shit. For westerners that's called freedom of religion, and in defining Islam as a community, Mohammed and the early leaders laid out pretty firmly that the proper role of that community to non-believers is not aggression. And I am sure that you could probably come up with some sort of justification for applying restrictions on what Moslems should wear to non-believers, but that's going to be a minority view as well. Nonbelievers have always played a role in historical Muslim states. They were typically barred from the highest positions and from military service, but allowed pretty much any other role in society. They paid an extra tax, but didn't pay a tax that applied only to believers, and things tended to work out. So maybe we can think about having our standards of behavior towards others be an improvement over the 14th Century rather than a regression.
Do note, I am not defending the religion, or defending terrorism or harassment on either side here. Frankly I think that Islam ended up bit a bit schizophrenic. The early leaders' tendency to kill one another produced some nasty theological splits. You're right that this is a conflict, and that insofar as it is a political movement, Islam should be resisted. Are you going to vote for sharia law? Everyone else around you perhaps? If it comes to violence, will you not fight? Your aggression against Islam and the extremists aggression against westerners are both born out of ignorance of Islam and the power imbalance at hand. If you didn't know, your side is the one with numbers, money, and nuclear weapons. The threat of Sharia law is a dog whistle for the ignorant and the fearful.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Courts have ruled in the past that US Citizens with relatives who are foreign nationals who have been granted US residence have a right to have those relatives here with them.
If their paperwork is already granted and is in order, then there has to be some actual reason given that is more important than that right of the US citizen who is named in that paperwork. You have failed to fully consider the breadth of the situation.
It is a fact that in the hearings so far, the government has not been able to provide a reason. You're offering one, but there is not a legal reason provided in the Executive Order, and the government has not provided one yet when asked by the court. The court asked them if they could have an answer as to the reason by this coming Friday, about a week later, and they indicated that was too soon and agreed to provide a reason in two weeks.
You think it is a clear reason, but the people you're speaking for need weeks to even figure out what it is!
You're citing biased sources. Really? BibleInfo and Adherents? How about something without a vested interest. That's right, there aren't any. They founders took great pains to ensure that none of their religious claptrap ended up in the constitution and founding documents, their own beliefs be damned. Also, freedom of religion is also freedom from religion. If you want to live in a theocracy, please, head yourself over to the middle east and find one, but keep your religion out of my government where it has no place.
You also have to remember that back when the founding documents were being signed, people affiliated with churches because it was expected, not because of any kind of inherent belief, pretty much like most christians now. They go to church because they have always gone to church. The vocal ones are generally fundamentalist nutjobs.
"Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
Corollary to Betteridge's law of headlines: whenever a sentence begins with "I find it curious", it originated with the following regular expression:
s/X is simply confirming[citation needed]/I find it curious that X is simply confirming/
Curiosity not required.
There are the news reports that Trump's 90-day immigration moratorium is aimed at majority-Muslim countries excepting those where he has/had business interests. And also calling it a "Muslim ban". But those narratives don't fit the facts. Here's the list of majority-Muslim countries in descending order of population, plus those with severe civil unrest, and those subject to the moratorium. I'm measuring accuracy by country count. I should really come up with a more sophisticated measure of accuracy, but can't be bothered...
The overlap with his business interests may or may not be a coincidence, that's the problem with his business interests, you can't tell if he's making a decision for personal profit or not.
But this is intended as a Muslim ban, Giuliani is taking credit for the policy saying that Trump asked him for a legal way to do the Muslim ban and that's what they came up with.
The list of countries banned corresponds to a list of countries singled out for extra scrutiny in an omnibus spending bill signed into law by Obama. But it's misleading to say it's Obama's list since the bill was primarily authored by congressional Republicans and if Obama didn't sign it when he did the US would have had another government shutdown.
From a safety concern this is entirely targeted at Muslims and not terrorists since it includes Iran which is the wrong religion.
Iran is a Shia majority country and Islamic terrorism is overwhelmingly confined to a few Sunni sects. It would be like banning immigration from London because you're afraid of the IRA. There is no rational reason to ban Persian immigrants from a safety perspective.
I stole this Sig
It is neither bad,
sure it is.
nor illegal.
Remains to be seen. Judges have moved to block it pending an actual court case.
I have no problem saying this directly: I voted for him because I wanted him to do the things he is doing.
Wait you *wanted* to get fuck Have you never played chess? There is no deception in chess, but there are lots and lots of traps.ed over while he enriches his billionaire friends? Well, OK, I guess there's a fetish for everything!
I'm not blaming you for what he is doing,
So your call "Obama did it! Obama did it!" was just for giggles then?
scramble to keep up
This is a pretty predictable playlist, it's hard to "keep up" when I'm already ahead.
And no, a trap does not imply deception.
Yes it does, otherwise, people wouldn't enter a trap.
Have you never played chess? There is no deception in chess, but there are lots and lots of traps. ... so you willingly fell into the traps? Or you didn't notice them because they were well hidden. In other words, you were deceived.
So, what is your proof that Trump is fascist?
Start here:
http://www.wehuntedthemammoth....
Then there's this straight out of literally Hitler's playbook ("The Criminal Jew"):
http://thehill.com/homenews/ad...
I've given you examples of actual, real fascism
No, you've brought up other things that other people did. The reason for that is you know deep down that Trump is indefensible and so your only way to excuse his behaviour is to try to divert attention to other people. It's perhaps a good way of deceiving yourself but it won't work on me.
Anyway now we both know what Trump is really like, and it's clear to me that if you examine your thoughts deeply you will reach the same conclusion, because otherwise there is no rational reason for you to make the arguments you are making. You don't have to worry about losing face on the internet so there's no need to admit it here. Just do the sensible thing next time you're in the polling booth, eh? That's the great thing about anonymous elections, you can save face in public but do the right thing where it counts.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
CA is the most populated state by nearly 10 mil, more people = more federal tax revenue. CA gets basically all its water and food from midwest states. Do you really think you can feed 38 mil people with almonds and strawberries.
Saudi Arabia has central government to preform background checks. There is no way to preform background checks with the countries listed.
I like living in a world where people are treated like human beings. I guess that you don't.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
This is a common error known as Simpson's Paradox
D'oh!
Tantrums? You mean like the one Trump threw when less people showed up for his inauguration than Obama's? I'm sorry, but Trump is behaving a lot more like a petulant child than presidential. I mean, things like science must be vetted by political appointees now? Or how about the fact that his national security council is now headed by Steve Bannon, a guy who loves pushing conspiracy theories. I mean, politically, the most Trump accomplished before being elected was getting Obama to show his birth certificate. So if you want to talk about sanity, the presidency is not a reality TV show.
Trump was mostly projecting about Hillary. After all, he won't give up his unsecured personal cell phone, and he and his senior staff use a private email server, the same one where 22 million emails mysteriously disappeared and that US intelligence services believe was compromised by the Russians.
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And what could the left do about it when the right controls most state houses, governorships and congress? Stuff that happens on campus is handled locally and by the state for the most part, not the federal government. And getting the republican congress to pass laws to crack down on it? Good luck with that.
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Why would von Braun go to the gallows? He developed weapons which were used in a war against a legitimate enemy. What part of that is illegal? The illegal part was capturing a POW and forcing him to work for you by threatening his family. The only criminal in this is Truman not von Braun
**Life is too short to be serious**
Obama was prohibited from closing Gitmo due to an act of congress. There are a lot fewer people being held there than when he started. I don't know where you get the idea that it expanded under Obama, if anything, he did a lot to shrink it.
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Actually the Pilgrims were religious fanatics who left Netherland because the Dutch were forcing them to respect the religious freedoms of Catholics and not attack them simply for being not protestant. People after Trump's own heart.
What people dont understand is that Europe went through its 100 year war and 30 year war where Protestants and Catholics killed each other till the fanatics were eliminated and people learned to live with each other. The ISIS of the day - those who would not live in peace at any cost- went to the USA. That USA is much more religious than Europe is part of its history. That it is more susceptible to the Christian equivalent of ISIS is also part of this cultural makeup. Baghdadi and Trump two sides of the same coin.
**Life is too short to be serious**
Japan surrendered because the soviets attacked. But without the nuclear bomb Stalin would have proceeded to occupy Japan and the Japanese would be Russofied instead of Americanized. The Nuclear bomb made Stalin pause.
**Life is too short to be serious**
In many places where he wants to build the wall it's nearly impossible. The terrain is extremely rugged or there's sand dunes. Good luck building a wall in sand dunes and rough terrain like Big Bend, Tx. He also has never heard of tunnels or drones. Most illegals overstay their visas and enter the country legally.
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CA doesnt need guns. CA builds nuclear missiles and Fighter Jets and Tanks. Guns are toys. real power flows through the barrel of a multiple Launch Rocket system and guess who builds them? Flyover country provides the cannon fodder to operate the weapons but in a pinch Californians can operate the machines too.
**Life is too short to be serious**
California has a bunch of shuttered Nuclear plants which can be brought online in an emergency. red Californians are not seceding back. Most of the farmland is useless without water piped over from North California's liberal areas. Plus the majority population in the farm areas are Hispanic farmworkers. Very easy for a new govt to handover the land to those who actually operate the machines and grow the food rather than the Republican reactionaries with their names on the deeds. After all last time CA changed hands all the land with Mexican owners got their deeds invalidated and Gringos got handed out free land. No reason why ill-gotten gains cant be taken away.
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All 7 countries are countries where the US has actively supported Terrorism and/or rebel movements which have caused a lot of deaths. Stands to reason many secular folks from these countries might want to come into US under false pretences to target the terrorist supporting state of USA at the source. This is not a Muslim Ban. This is an Enemy Civilians Ban. We are at undeclared war with all 7 of these countries and have a lot of blood on our hands. Stands to reason to keep out people who might be seeking revenge against us for our terrorism.
**Life is too short to be serious**
The alternative might have been a stalemate once the invasion of the Japanese mainland was fought to a standstill. Perhaps there would have been an armistice, and Japan would have kept territory it seized in Asia and the Philippines. The worst result would be that Japan would have been rewarded for it's actions, and would be quite a different nation than it is today.
Yeah. I think i'll stay stupid on this matter.
Ok kids, if you want to see how a peabrain concedes that he has no argument, scroll up and read serviscope's post a couple of times until you become familiar with the signs. The very short version is a lot of huffing and puffing, and absolutely no substance.
First, he starts with "Nuh uh", then he twists my words into a pretzel, then he continues to insist on something that everyone can plainly see is false. Then it gets really good: he links to a blogger force-fitting "facts", some real and some false, through a set of vague checkboxes, none of which have anything to do with actual fascism, and most of which could be fit to just about anyone famous.
And then, Trump is literally Hitler why? Because he is directing the publication of crimes weekly. WEEKLY, the bastard! I mean that is straight out of Mein Kampf. Everyone knows that free countries publish their crime stats quarterly.
And to top it off, he repeats his denial of the obvious and apparent fascism that we all watched on TV and youtube, because that was "other things that other people did". (See notes on fascism below)
His conclusion is that no rational being can disagree with him. Now, that just seems like a typical dehumanizing tactic - it is a lot easier to punch a guy on the street if he isn't human, or if you have defined him as evil.
Scott Adams has something to say about this topic too. I think it is well worth the read.
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Apparently to a peabrain, fascism is something that one man does, and not a political movement. After all, the big problem in Italy was Benito himself, and not the hordes of violent thugs, or "Fascist Party" that chose him as their leader.
If any reader has any doubt about what we are seeing in this country these days, please go look up fascism in your favorite encyclopedia and compare notes. Here is one at random: "Fascists view World War I as having made liberal democracy obsolete". Skipping the chronology, who considers democracy obsolete? In other words, who has been rioting and calling to throw out an election they didn't win?
See that "Preview" button?
So you think the role of the US is to replicate the role of EU? Not really, otherwise the US would have Chancellor Merkel.... er, .. President Hillary Clinton.
Germany's Migrant Rape Crisis Spirals out of Control
‘Cologne is every day’: Europe’s rape epidemic
Why Did British Police Ignore Pakistani Gangs Abusing 1,400 Rotherham Children? Political Correctness
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Tantrums? You mean like the one Trump threw when less people showed up for his inauguration than Obama's?
It's worth mentioning that as a strategy, he was able to get the media entirely focused on that, and off the women's march. See for example.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Try again?
Obama administration originally flagged 7 countries in Trump's order
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
It's your choice, and you'll have to deal with the consequences.
Daesh (or ISIS if one wants to pander to their own self-propagandising title) aimed to force Muslims on to their side by committing extreme and unjustifiable acts that would be reflect on- and be associated with- Muslims as a whole by the greater world, increasing discrimination and prejudice against them- and, in turn, increasing the hostility of Muslims as a whole in the face of this prejudice- forcing them into the hands of Daesh and their allies.
For this to work, you need people to respond in the planned kneejerk manner.
Step forward, Donald J Trump. Your executive order blanket-banning people from Muslim countries and plans to discriminate on the basis of religion are *exactly* what they planned for and wanted.
Well done. You played right into their hands. You are ISIS/Daesh's useful idiot.
Actually, it's an unwitting alliance. The neo-fascists who have usruped the republican party have been looking for a way to get someone into high office, and ISIS has been hoping for a neo-fascist idiot to get elected into a high office so they have a high power recruiting tool.
Not only is Mango Mussolini a full on neo-fascists, he's also clearly corrupt and self-serving. One needs only look at the list of banned countries. Countries where Trump has business interests are not on the list (those also happen to be where terrorists have originated from).
~X~
There are a lot of things we should fix in America first before we try to help everyone else.
Give me your tired, your poor,
your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
the wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
Haha typical libtard why do you hate America so much lolwtf!
Fascism has won. In a couple years the Constitution itself will be considered seditious.
~X~
was no need to invade and force your orgasm,
There's that problematic language again.
THE CONVERSION OF COMMANDER ROGERS
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
If it weren't for German immigrant scientists (many undocumented, some Nazis) in the US during WWII, you'd be writing that in Japanese and you wouldn't be writing it from your iPhone...
Those "German immigrant scientists" you're referring to were largely brought over AFTER the war was over in Operation Paperclip. The Japanese military lost when they failed to destroy the American aircraft carriers that were supposed to be at Pearl Harbor.
TL;DR - You're bigoted and ignorant.
Well, you could just Google this (unless you'd rather have your own facts).
http://fortune.com/2017/01/27/...
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-...
https://www.aol.com/article/ne...
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Do you live in the UK? Remind me... isn't that the country with all of the CCTVs? The one that's trying to collect and bank DNA evidence on everyone every chance they get? The one that routinely tries to ban people with unpopular opinions from setting foot in the country? The one with the ASBOs? The one without a right to remain silent[1] without it being held against you? The one that is banning all "deviant" pornography, including any image or video showing any female orgasm that looks a bit too moist? The one that has made it flatly illegal to refuse to provide your password to the police/courts?
Please. If you want to criticize the American government's attitude towards privacy and individual liberty, you should first try moving to a country that didn't regard 1984 as a goddamn instruction manual. Our healthcare system may be a fucking joke, but privacy rights are still a hundred times better over here even if this order stands.
(if you live in AU or somewhere else, please let me know so I can adjust this rant accordingly.)
1. Granted, ours has frayed a bit recently.
So your argument is based on the logical fallacy damning the source and conflating correlation with causation? My debate professor would have failed you. How about you support your argument by finding a source with actual evidence that says that 208 of the founding fathers/authors/signers of the declaration of independence weren't churchgoing Christians? Oh that's right, you can't because they were. You complain because my sources exist specifically in response to all of the revisionist BS that your professors fed you in college, that you are now regurgitating at me. There is evidence for maybe two of the founders being Diests (not Atheists mind you, just Diests not affiliated directly with any denomination). Hard evidence on any of the other 206 not being Christians? Anyone? Anyone? Beuler?
Your evidence that the founders weren't Christians is that they just went to church because everyone did back then just further supports my assertion that the US was founded as a Christian nation that was founded on Judeo-Christian values even more if everyone around the time of its founding was going to church. Beyond that, these were grown ass men, many of them in the military, are you seriously saying that they would have gone to church every Sunday just because everyone was doing it, even after they fought a war for the freedom to worship how they wanted or to not worship?!?! There are literally mountains of evidence that nearly all of the founding fathers were Christian, if you are willing to open your eyes and do the research.
BTW, calling Christians fundamentalist nutjobs is Bigoted, Google the definition. If you are such a big liberal, where is your tolerance for beliefs and viewpoints other than your own? It kind of sounds like you are one of those fascist progressives.
Freedom of religion: every person is free to pursue or practice their religion or non religion within the laws of the land (sorry, no human sacrifice, honor killings, violent Jihad, female mutilation or subjugation, no Sharia law.) There are limits.
Freedom from religion: all public officials must be Atheists or they cannot use their personal faith and beliefs to inform their decision making process and actions in their publicly held office. This is probably what you want, but it aint in the constitution, sorry.
As you can see, freedom of and freedom from are very different things.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
And here we have a fine AC liberal specimen flourishing it it's natural habitat, complete with zero argument and ad homonym attacks. The complete set is not as rare as you might think.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
ANSWER http://www.npr.org/2017/01/28/511996783/how-does-trumps-immigration-freeze-square-with-his-business-interests
And I know this didn't answer your question about India, so here's the answer from the President's own "mouth":
INDIA http://www.trump.com/real-estate-portfolio/india/trump-tower-mumbai
It's being debunked and torn apart left, right and center. The Obama plan it 'copies' only affected Iraqi refugees (not green card holders, etc) for example. This is just a really, really weak attempt to shift blame away from Trump and at others (like Obama), and you got suckered in. I'm sure there's a "You've been manipulated!" gold star button in the mail for you though. Those who can't actually substantiate their 'fake news everywhere else' pleas are very likely fake news themselves.
You don't seem to have any real familiarity with the medium. Allow me to get you started:
The Dennis Prager show (Check out Prager University)
The Hugh Hewitt show
The Eric Metaxas show
The Larry Elder show
The Michael Medved show
The John Batchelor show
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Derp, it doesn't copy the list, it references it. You do know the difference, right? This used to be a hangout for techies, including programmers. I do understand that pointers is what separates the programmers from the chaff, but give it a try.
The order says (paraphrased): "we are going to prevent entry from the countries on this handy list that Obama left us". Which is exactly what I said. And that is also exactly what the author of the linked article says.
So, what exactly is being debunked here, other than your implied claims to English literacy?
See that "Preview" button?
then he twists my words into a pretzel
Translation: NO FAIR! Stop responding to what I wrote, you have to use the arguments I know in my feelings to be right but can't express.
Tell you what, if you let me know in advance which of your arguments you feel are too weak to be addressed, then I'll steer clear of them. OK? That way your feelings can remain intact, and maybe you won't have to resort fo flinging quite so much poo!
And, I still see you're banging the "Trump isn't fascist because someone else did something" drum. That's grade A republican thinking: never, ever take responsibility.
Also, a link to Scott Adams? Should I listen to him because he's a master persuader with a genius level IQ? He used to write an excellent cartoon, but went kind of nuts about 10 years ago when he forgot DNRC was his own joke and started taking it seriously.
who considers democracy obsolete?
You apparently. Democracy is more than just visiting the polling booth. It contains a number of strands, such as right to protest and freedom of speech. It appears that people exercising their democratic rights has really, *really* upset you.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
People who move to a place to then try and impose the rules of the places they moved from are not the type of people who are wanted.
Not everybody behaves like an American tourist.
Ruby ridge, and Waco gave us the OKC bombing which then gave us, years of a federal government NOT slaughtering its people.
Fear is real and it works. A fearful government is a safe government.
You should not get your informations from the yellow press. They do not have "truth" as their business model.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
If the United States was a meritocracy, George W. Bush would be lucky to be the assistant manager of a Burger King, and you'd find 50% of investment bankers and dot com millionaires coming from a background of destitution because they studied hard in school.
Basically it's despotism rather than meritocracy.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
My words: I have no problem saying this directly: I voted for him because I wanted him to do the things he is doing.
Your pretzel: Wait you *wanted* to get fucked over while he enriches his billionaire friends?
Does that really strike you as "responding to what I wrote"? Am I really the one flinging poo here?
If the behavior seen below is your idea of "right to protest", "freedom of speech" and "democratic rights", then yes, it has upset the me a great deal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
How much more do you want? Do you want to see links to people encouraging this violence too?
See that "Preview" button?
Let's compromise and ignore it until it enters the top 100 causes of death.
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I dunno, they do an awful lot of sitting down, so I'm thinking Ottoman....
Freedom of, and freedom from are exactly the same thing. Some are NOT religious, and that is a valid choice under our system.
Excerpt from Article 6 of the Constitution:
"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
As to the rest about the founders, we'll never really know since we can't ask them. I've known many people who go to church because that is what they are expected to do in their community and they don't wish to be ostracized for their non-belief. I'm not going to go looking for sources because you're not one to read said sources and evaluate accordingly, but just in case: https://www.britannica.com/top...
"Freedom in the USA is not the ability to do what you want. It is the ability to stop others from doing what THEY want"
Does that really strike you as "responding to what I wrote"? Am I really the one flinging poo here?
You're the one who busted ought the insults.
Anyway are any of those videos of Trump? No? The best defense you can come up with for Trump is to point out he's not the worst person ever. It's clear to me now that you do in fact realise. I consider my work here done, and like I said, there's no need for you to lose face. So Yaaaay Trump etc etc etc.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
In other words, we ought to continue allowing moslem terrorists to enter the country, because if we don't, we risk angering the existing moslems and they will strike out at us.
The ban wasn't on "moslem terrorists", it was a ban on all people from primarily Muslim countries with a potential exception for Christians. In other words, a ban on Muslims, and your assumption is exactly the "treat all Muslims as terrorists" behaviour they're looking for.
Sure, you could stop "moslem terrorists" entering the country by stopping anyone at all entering the country, of course.
You could also stop mass murderers of American children by locking up anyone with far-right sympathies. (Spoiler; I don't think that's a good idea either).
Or you could better target those known to be a threat. I'm tired of governments using terrorism as an excuse for repression when in- seemingly- the vast majority of cases the people involved were already known as a risk to the intelligence services.
"Slashdot - News and Chat Sites Deviant". (Click "homepage" link above for details).
"If I gave you a bowl of Skittles and three of them were poison would you still eat them?" ..." ..."
"Are the other Skittles human lives?"
"What?"
"Like, is there a good chance, a really good chance, I would be saving someone from a war zone and probably their life if I ate a Skittle?"
"Well sure. But the point
"I would eat the Skittles."
"Ok, well, the point is
"I would GORGE myself on Skittles. I would eat every single Skittle I could find. I would STUFF myself with Skittles. And when I found the poison Skittle and died, I would make sure to leave behind a legacy of children and of friends who also ate skittle after Skittle until there were no Skittles to be eaten. And each person who found the poison Skittle we would weep for. We would weep for their loss, for their sacrifice, and for the fact that they did not let themselves succumb to fear but made the world a better place by eating Skittles.
Because your REAL question, the one you hid behind an inaccurate, insensitive, dehumanizing racist little candy metaphor, is: IS MY LIFE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF MEN, WOMEN, AND TERRIFIED CHILDREN?
And what kind of monster would think the answer to that question is yes?"
(http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2016/09/22/skittles-refugees-gorge-skittles)
It may look like I'm doing nothing, but I'm actively waiting for my problems to go away.
--Scott Adams
I thought that was the point of all the major spying organizations sharing Intel, so they they would get uncensored and unrestricted access to their own citizens info?
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
Laugh it up, but Trump just ordered a weekly publication of crimes committed by illegal immigrants. Hitler did the same back in the 40's. Google up "The Criminal Jew".
Out of all the yelling and screaming I have heard recently, this fact is the most interesting. Do you have a link to research the veracity of your statement with?
Honestly, with all the yelling and screaming and twisting and turning, it is hard to do any meaningful research. Completely innocent things get twisted into huge human rights violations and then, you run across a true human rights violation like this and nobody has ever heard of it. WTF people? Just shut up and talk about facts.
On the bright side, many people who I considered sane here at Slashdot have proven themselves to be rabidly ignorant people who would foreswear rational and logical thought in order to hate on a single person. But then, the climate change articles should have proven that long ago.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/...
The answer to your question is "Bring business back to America" means "bring manufacturing jobs back to America by denying access to the American Consumer to competing international businesses". From that standpoint, freedom of movement and freedom of immigration have actually become BAD things to Trump's cause of bringing jobs back to America. Freedom in general is bad- slavery to corporations is good, because that makes America attractive to sweatshops again.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
"Trump may actually be a good thing in the long run.
He might get Democrats and Republicans talking to each other again, maybe looking past their minor differences and finding compromise."
In his own way he is being a service to the country by shocking us out of complacency. Exactly what I hoped for and knew would happen.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
Curious how you came up with your figures. And as to countries with "civil unrest and poor-functioning central government", isn't that pretty much the definition of countries with refugees? So, according to your figures (how did you get 98%?), the order focuses the ban on refugees coming from countries with refugees (civil unrest and poor-functioning central government).
The Emirates pulled the plug on one of his projects after he first announced his Muslim ban after the San Bernardino shootings. I'm not sure whether the Saudis and others have reacted similarly, but I can't imagine activity's picked up. Also, based on the announcement he made a couple of weeks ago about how his overseas business is being segregated from him and how all profits will go into the US treasury, he has nothing to gain by enhancing his overseas properties.
Curious how you came up with your figures. And as to countries with "civil unrest and poor-functioning central government", isn't that pretty much the definition of countries with refugees? So, according to your figures (how did you get 98%?), the order focuses the ban on refugees coming from countries with refugees (civil unrest and poor-functioning central government).
As I said, my figures need to be done more carefully. But my methodology for this first pass was:
(1) From wikipedia, get a list of muslim-majority countries in descending order
(2) From wikipedia, get a list of countries with armed conflict (measured in deaths/year 2016). Maybe I should have instead used the Global Peace Index. There were two non-muslim-majority countries which had notable armed conflict, so I added them to the list: Mexico and Nigeria.
(3) I added a bit of general knowledge. To my understanding, Nigeria has solidly functioning civil governance and its conflict is due to tribal conflict over oil proceeds. And I believe Mexico has solidly functioning civil governance apart from the drug war. (That's why maybe the Global Peace Index would have been better and more objective).
(4) For each of the three claims, I went through the country list to determine how many of the countries it correctly predicted whether they'd be subject to the moratorium or not. That's where the 98% number came from.
I would like to redo the numbers with some different methodology. My first question is what percentage of the world's muslims are subject to the immigration moratorium. I suspect that because the hugely populous Muslim countries like Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Turkey, Egypt aren't on the ban, probably it affects only a small percentage. Then I'd want to look at population numbers for the Global Peace Index too.
I'm not sure your point about refugees. There were separate things: (1) 90-day moratorium on immigration from certain countries, (2) 120-day moratorium on refugee admission, (3) indefinite moratorium on refugees from Syria. I've only been considering the first one to see whether it really should be considered anti-Muslim.
In general, I think the executive order signals a terrible shift towards refugee-unfriendliness, and I think this is the bit that we should focus on. When we focus instead on the claim "it's targeted at Muslims", I think that weakens the message.
You also didn't answer me about Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia. India - Muslims are just 15% of their population, but there's no reason he couldn't have asked the Indians to not issue passports to Muslims that would be valid for the US if he wanted to. But my point was - if the purpose of the ban was to blacklist Muslims from coming, why would he leave out the part of the world that has 1 billion of the 1.8 billion Muslims worldwide?
Malaysia: Tony Tiah Thee Kian is his business partner for Malaysia
Indonesia: (which was already noted in the post you replied to): Hary Tanoesoedibjo is his business partner in Indonesia.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/world/2017/01/13/trumps-foreign-network
Who knows what other global business connections he has -- he is keeping his tax returns secret for a reason.
Even if "all foreign profits will go into the US treasury" (and how will we know that given that he won't release his full financials?), the value of his holdings -- this is all real estate you know -- can skyrocket because of his Presidential "fame".
So what if he tosses some small profits to the US, he'd be better off plowing the money back into the foreign investments until he leaves office. So there go the profits - back into the company.
And he can twist the Federal policies to ensure that his investments grow in value. That's called "conflict of interest".
Holding Steve Jobs up as an example of Syrian innovation is down and out inane. He had nothing to do w/ his sperm donor: he was raised solely by a White couple, who was the only family he knew and loved. Yeah, he did accept his birth sister once he got to know her, but he made it a point to emphasize that Mr Jobs, not Mr Jandali, was his father. PERIOD!
He's not gonna know that b'cos it'll be run by his successors - namely Don, Eric and Allen Weisselburg for the duration of his presidency. If all profits go into the treasury, then all that's left are operating expenses of the company.
The full financials of his company were released when he announced his candidacy. His tax returns is what the Left is hung up on, but they reveal little about his financials, other than the net of what he had to pay. Besides, how is his personal tax returns in any way relevant to the P&L statements and balance sheets of the Trump Organization, which is the subject here?
His company will be run by his two sons and his CFO. And of course none of them will ever, ever, ever mention business when the family gets together.
(Just to dispel any doubt about my meaning here: </s>)
I think you're smarter than that.
I think we all get it. Trump used someone else's list so he can shift the blame if people don't like it. I guess I should be surprised that he and his lot are unable to initiate critical thinking skills and come up with their own list and defend it.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/25/text-trump-executive-order-on-enhancing-public-safety-in-interior-united-states.html
Beware the aliens - they are not like us.
By the time you get your historical perspective the damage will be quite irreversible. The kind of dictatorship that #PresidentTweety is obviously seeking to impose from day one of his reign poses a potentially fatal threat to America's constitutional government.
Some people think climate change is the elephant in the room. However, I'm quite confident that it's already too late to worry about averting human-induced climate change, but at least I think that problem isn't an existential crisis for humanity. More of a profit opportunity for owners of real estate around the poles.
Anyway, the "discussion" can safely be regarded as pointless and closed. Should I now predict you won't follow your own rude and mindless advice and just "Shut. The. Fuck. Up."?
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Trump has undoubtedly already committed sufficiently many unconstitutional acts to support an impeachment, and lots of Republicans are unhappy with him. The Democrats have not in recent memory advocated policy's as stupid as Trump's, and have not fielded a worse candidate.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Travel with valid passports and visas is not traditionally risky, at least not among civilized countries. Many fields of endeavor rely on it. If the US suddenly becomes a capricious country with no respect to the rule of law, there will be consequences that will hurt the US badly.
There's no way a scientific conference should be held in the US now, since anyone from another country presenting a paper and trying to enter with proper documentation can, according to Trump, be arbitrarily barred. A whole lot of travel is for business, and so people in the US will become out of touch with people they need to deal with.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
People of similar political persuasion get together and try to move the country in the direction they like, the HORROR!
A minority feels neglected. According to everything I've been reading in order to understand these people, they're pigheaded assholes, but eventually I might find something favorable to them. They received a massive insanity check and voted for Trump, of all people, someone with no track record for honesty or concern for anyone besides other billionaires, who's known for stiffing the little guy.
If you're looking for tantrums, look at the reaction to an incredibly peaceful march of something like three million people in various cities. Trump was not happy. There's a meme on Facebook where they show some female soldiers, pretend for no obvious reason that it's only possible to respect either the marchers or the soldiers, not both, and complain about their words and actions in highly nonspecific terms that look awfully similar to each other.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
For what Liberty is like in France, I wonder...
When you're just presuming that other people are ignorant because they said words you didn't expect or didn't understand, you should just stop there are realize you have nothing to say. My advice, don't bother trolling links, instead, look up what knowledge you might be lacking that would help you to understand the comment you didn't understand.
Sorry, but you're delusional.
Well, except for Clinton.
Well, and it still isn't "among civilized countries": Western Europeans, Americans, Canadians, and Japanese can still travel with no problem between each others' countries.
You really don't get out much if you think this doesn't happen in other countries.
Heck, the way things are going, several European countries are poised to move far to the right of even Trump.
Read the Constitution. Trump cannot legally accept payments from any government other than his salary, since there are two emoluments clauses that apply. I'd expect his hotels to get payment from some government or other fairly frequently.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
Just ask her!
-- "I'm not in a hurry; I'm in Hawaii." The Homeless Guy
Lock your door at night, before you go to bed? HATER! Set the car alarm after you park it before going shopping? XENOPHOBE! Use anti-malware software to protect your computer against hackers and such? Ask who's ringing doorbell before you let them in? ROTTEN BIGOT! That's about the the essence of this whole pathetic hypocritical "outrage" of the shit-for-brains average piece of shit "progressive." Just saying. Grow the fuck up. Hypocrisy is pure evil. Stand for something. I have no problem with that. Anything. Stand for it. But don't run your mouth and pretend you really believe in something whenâ"in most casesâ"you don't really stand for shit. This is OUR country you miserable fucks. I lock my door at night. I set the alarm on my car. I ask "who's there." But you stupid ass clowns act like my "car" belongs to you. Get over your self. Self-worshipping, self-centered reprobates. The only thing you understand is ... nothing.
-- "I'm not in a hurry; I'm in Hawaii." The Homeless Guy
No presumption is required when you so lavishly demonstrate your views over multiple posts. Your advice comes from an empty vessel, and you lack the wisdom to recognize it. Instead of trolling with posts you might do well to explore that beyond your experience so that you might achieve understanding and wisdom.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
There are courses on fucking statistics?
I'm impressed... do they count as biology or social science?
I think the Bouffant Buffoon should be made aware that legal privacy protections go both ways in a globalised data market. Why should anyone outside the US be concerned about protecting the privacy of US citizens it they themself will not grant us the same courtesy. What comes of this I cannot say but, one prediction I make is that companies who hold private information will be compelled by the needs of their customers to protect it in ways and places that put it beyond the grasp of law enforcement & intelligence organisations.
If the FBI/CIA/NSA though the world was 'going dark' before they have seen nothing yet.
What relevance is that? It says that it's a concern, but it's unlikely to be resolvable through judicial means, but only political (the courts will have to have the final say on it, but I can come up with scenarios where I think someone might have standing to enforce the clauses in court). My claim was that Trump has probably committed impeachable offenses already, and impeachment is a political remedy. In impeachment, Congress doesn't go through the courts. The House votes that the President has committed a High Crime or Misdemeanor, and violating the Constitution presumably counts. The Senate then conducts the trial There's no concept of "standing" here.
By the way, there are two emoluments clauses that apply. The one the Post doesn't mention applies specifically to the President, and is in article two of the Constitution. The other one says the President can't accept emoluments from domestic governments, other than the legally prescribed salary, which cannot vary during a Presidential term.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
No, your claim was that Trump has "undoubtedly already committed sufficiently many unconstitutional acts to support an impeachment". That's nonsense. Nobody knows whether he violated the emoluments clause because it hasn't been legally settled what that refers to.
(As an aside, I would also point out that Clinton accepted lots of money while in government employment, but the excuse people made for her was "it didn't influence her decisions".)
Impeachment is a purely political matter; violating the Constitution is neither necessary nor sufficient for impeachment.
I'm taking Trump's actions about his business affairs as evidence that he is probably violating one or more emoluments clauses, and also the extent of his businesses. His hotels have got to be doing stuff with government officials. At least one emoluments clause has seen legal examination, specifically with regard to Obama's prize. The Justice Department determined that he was covered under the "foreign governments" emoluments clause, but that the Nobel committee was not a government or an arm of one. I'd expect such determinations to be more or less repeated.
What do you mean by saying Clinton accepted a lot of money while in government employ? There are ways to send money to places an elected official might like without actually giving that person an emolument. Donations to the Clinton Foundation were not emoluments to Clinton. Paying a Trump hotel something is giving money to Trump. The clauses only cover money from governments, so any private money isn't covered. If a Russian businessman rents a room from a Trump hotel, that's Constitutional. If the room is paid for by a government, or (very probably) a government-owned corporation, it isn't.
The impeachment process is for High Crimes and Misdemeanors (and the parsing of that is open to debate). While impeachment is political, the Senate really does have to find the President guilty of something that can be so described. Clinton faced a trial for perjury before the Senate quietly brushed the whole thing under the rug. I don't know what charge Andrew Johnson faced (honest, I wasn't alive for that one). If Trump violates the Constitution, it's a more credible rap than failing to stop and exchange information after a minor accident (to name one misdemeanor, parsing the phrase as (High Crimes) and (Misdemeanors)).
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
fucking stupid Hillary
Not even her husband wants to fuck her.
Also, treason? What treason? The treason of being careless with classified information? The treason of doing everything possible to avoid the fraud protection offered by the Freedom of Information Act? What treason are you concerned about?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
That has been the greatest thing about this election, watching all these people losing their shit over a democratic supporter getting elected president on the RNC side.
All these names thrown around about a guy who was in the DNC a few years ago. So now the DNC is full of "racists" "fascists" "KKK members" etc?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
How would we know how much fraud happens when you don't even need ID to vote in many places?
When they were recounting in Detroit, they found evidence of massive voter fraud for Hillary, so what is to say that there is no evidence when some was found with a couple of districts recounting?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
There are conservative and liberal libertarians. They are orthogonal to the left/right divide. But then again, I guess you fellate the authoritarians which is the opposite of libertarians.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
This is the "Skittles" argument. If you're not familiar with why this is a poor metaphor for immigration or refugee programs... I'm reminded of teaching pigs to sing and horses that don't drink.
Irrational fears and logical fallacies aside, this is the land of the free and home of the brave, as we proudly proclaim. I'm brave enough to accept the risk that I might be living next to a psychopath because I like the neighborhood - this assumes my neighbor is a psychopath, a poor assumption taken purely on its merits. And I want others to have the same freedoms that I have - because altruism isn't just something cute to observe on nature programs.
Wanting freedom for others is patriotism. Only wanting freedom for those fortunate enough to be born in our country is something else entirely.
I see my shadow changing, stretching up and over me...