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AMD Launches Ryzen, Claims To Beat Intel's Core i7 Offering At Half the Price (hothardware.com)
Reader MojoKid writes: AMD CEO, Dr. Lisu Su took to the stage at AMD's Ryzen tech day yesterday and opened the event with official speeds, feeds, pricing, and benchmark scores for the company's upcoming Ryzen series processors. AMD's goal with Ryzen, which is based on its Zen microarchitecture, was a 40% IPC (instructions per clock) uplift. As it turns out, AMD was actually able to increase IPC by approximately 52% with the final shipping product, sometimes more depending on workload type. Dr. Su also showed the first die shot of an 8-core Ryzen processor, disclosing that it consists of approximately 4.8 billion transistors. AMD's flagship Ryzen 7 1800X 8-core/16 thread CPU will have a base clock speed of 3.6GHz, a boost clock of 4.0GHz, and a 95 watt TDP. AMD claims the Ryzen 7 1800X will be the fastest 8-core desktop processor on the market when it arrives. The next member of the line-up is the Ryzen 7 1700X with a base clock of 3.4GHz and a boost clock of 3.8GHz, also with 8 cores and a 95 watt TDP. Finally, the Ryzen 7 1700 – sans X – is also an 8-core / 16-thread CPU, but it has lower 3.0GHz base and 3.7GHz boost clocks, along with a lower 65 watt TDP. AMD took the opportunity to demo the Ryzen 7 1800X and it was approximately 9% faster than the Core i7-6900K running Cinebench R15's multi-threaded test, at about half the cost. And in another comparison, Dr. Su put the 8-core 7 1700 up against the quad-core Core i7-7700K, converting a 4K 60 FPS video down to 1080P and the Ryzen CPU outpaces the Core i7 by 10 full seconds. Pricing for the three initial Ryzen 7 series processors will undercut competing Intel processors significantly. AMD's Ryzen 7 1800X will arrive at $499, Ryzen 7 1700X at $399, and Ryzen 7 1700 at $329. Based on current street prices, Ryzen will be between 20% — 50% lower priced but AMD is claiming performance that's better than Intel at those price points.
Finally competition from AMD! Stop this stagnation madness!
Intel has had >4 core CPUs but the affordable stuff for consumers has all been 4 core / 8 thread with the rest of the die given over to GPUs that nobody who needs high performance graphics wants anyway.
I'd be nice to see AMD back in the game to provide some competition for Intel. Lots of workloads can benefit from more cores: compilation, video processing, simulations, many kinds of "embarrassingly parallel" tasks. Anything you might do with xargs -P.
If AMD supplies some competitive pressure to push larger core counts down into the affordable price ranges for average buyers, that'll be a good thing. It's been an artificial restriction anyway. Plus it is good for the health of the market to have competition.
This is awesome for computer nerds and builders everywhere. Please, anybody and everybody who can possibly fit AMD products into your plans please do so. I am not a fanboy, but it's crucial that we keep competition alive. It's even good for Intel fanboys because it lowers the prices and increases the performance of their chips too. Everybody wins with competition. Let's keep it that way. At least now it makes some sense from a financial and performance perspective.
Let's revel in the underdoggedness.
Wait folks, don't scold him -- his alternative facts show that he actually *did* have the first post.
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"converting a 4K 60 FPS video down to 1080P and the Ryzen CPU outpaces the Core i7 by 10 full seconds"
That's stat a) seems insignificant and b) has zero context
how about a percentage?
what was the total time?
1 sec vs 11 sec, or 3600sec vs 3610 sec?
Intel is in dire need of viable competition. CPU prices are obscene.
I built myself a gaming PC about two years ago. I've been an AMD supported for decades, so I went with the best CPU AMD was offering at the time. Two years later, it's still the best CPU AMD offers.
I remember the heyday where AMD actually overtook Intel. Their CPUs were actually better and cheaper. That's no longer the case, but (at least when I built my gaming rig) I was not willing to pay 50%+ more for maybe 10% higher performance, so it was still AMD for me.
The important thing, though, is that we need competition in order to spur innovation. Before AMD started nipping at Intel's heels, it was all about the MHz (and who could get to GHz first). After that, we started seeing CPUs with more cores and better threading and all the good stuff. I hope Ryzen makes Intel very worried - worried enough that they innovate the hell out of their CPUs. I also hope Ryzen makes AMD enough money that they can continue to innovate, and continue to compete with Intel. Because when that happens, it is we the consumers who win.
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Any one have a block-map as to how the pci-e is setup?
Also how will the server chips be setup in pci-e lanes?
See my subject & this article from The Register http://hothardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-thrashes-intel-core-i7-5960x-benchmark-leak/ & specifically/graphically, this test result http://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/40273/content/Cinebench-Ryzen-7-1700X-HotHardware.png/
* If they keep this up, I know what will replace my Intel Core I7 4790k next round (2++ yrs. into it now, another 3 to go most likely before I buy again though).
APK
P.S.=> In any event? COMPETITION IS GOOD - it drives up the bar for the competitors (AMD & Intel) & who gains? We as consumers do, via superior choices offered... apk
We used to call them "hot grits". In was an everyday topic of discussion.
I run all my Windows machines Virtually. I really like to be able to dedicate a core or two to each Virtual machine and still have enough left over for my Linux host OS.
Four cores just ain't enough for me. I'm looking forward to 128 core processors...
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and stuck at 16 + DMI pci-e with to much on the DMI link.
For video X16 or X8 X8 is good for most cards. But putting storage / network / sound / usb / etc on the DMI is overloading it.
Also Intel caped the $350+ lowend cpu's down from 40 lanes to 28 lanes in boards setup for 40 lanes per cpu making people take an $150+ jump for a small clock boost. Back in Ivy Bridge-E all chips had the same pci-e lanes.
It seems that every time Intel gets a significant pile of laurels, they like to rest on them. Then someone comes up from behind to kick them in the ass. AMD has done it before, perhaps with this generation they can do it again.
And who wins? We all do. Last time, Intel got off their ass and created the Core-series that has expanded PC processing power to the point where upgrade cycles have gone from 3 years to 6+. Let's hope that this shot across the bow ushers in a new era of chip design that brings features we want, rather than the features that they think we want.
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When Newegg has listings for the new processors and motherboard. Although it might be too late for me since I retired my nine-year-old Vista-compatible AMD quad-core motherboard for a Windows 7-compatible AMD eight-core motherboard last year. I might let the platform mature before I spring for new hardware.
when their stock popped from $2.50 to $14.30!
It still matters for most people, and it has been a problem for AMD.
Will they offer lower priced Core i5/i3 competitors based on this architecture?
Are they on sale yet? Are there any reviews of it? If the answer to both of those is no, then it hasn't launched.
And besides Ashes of the Singularity I can't think of any that use more that four. Heck, Far Cry 3 only needed four cores because the devs bound to core 3 by mistake. There was a fan patch that forced it to bind to core two and got it running on dual cores. Multi core programing is dammed hard. It hasn't been worth it except for a handful of apps like video encoders...
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Though 50% is. But at 20% I'm left with the same problem I had with the 8350. The processor demands a much better motherboard that eats up the savings. Cheap AMD motherboards ruin their performance...
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I see AMD are still up to their old tricks of trying to make gross performance statements based solely on hand-picked benchmarks that capitalize on their product having twice as many cores (or in the case of video cards, twice as many GPUs) as the competitions unit that they chose for comparisons.
I'd like to see a like-for-like benchmark between Ryzen and I7, such as single-thread at the same clock speeds. I suspect AMD won't be publishing that result anytime soon though.
I think it's interesting that AMD finally got this CPU off the drawing board and actually onto silicon, finally. It has been a long time in development and has suffered many delays along the way, both from management changes and financial difficulty. They have put all their CPU eggs in this basket and I sure hope they have a good design here because Intel needs a bit of competition.
I'm confident that AMD will make a go of this new architecture. It was a totally clean sheet design and has some unique and innovative features which may spur another round of slugging it out with Intel. What I find interesting here is the price point. Where I'm positive Intel has been racking in profit on their current offerings and will easily match AMD's prices, I'm hopeful that AMD will be able to press this new design into better performance than Intel can manage with their current technology at this price point.
If history is any indicator, AMD will not be able to keep up once they wake the sleeping giant that's Intel. Where I'm not sure Intel really cares about the PC market (which is lagging a lot) they do care about profit. The question really becomes how much will this hurt Intel? I'm not sure it will be all that much, because Intel is diversified, doing lots of stuff in their own fabs. AMD has no fabs of their own anymore and really only have two business lines where they are the distant second player.
Will it last for AMD? Will this put them back into an increasing market share and profitability? I hope so, but the guys over at Intel surely already have a good idea what they will do and what affect this will have on their bottom line. AMD may be off the mat, but they are seriously out classed by a company with deep pockets and technical ability.
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has been stagnant for quite a while. Hopefully this will restart it.
While someone needs to put a stick in Intel's ass, I don't believe for a minute that this will remain a cheaper alternative, if AMD starts getting some traction.
Oh, and I didn't see anything about power usage. AMD has always sucked in that regard.
Stop beating around the bush, and just tell me how long my Dwarf Fortress could go before it falls into the same ruin shared by so many others: FPS Death.
You think Intel is keeping the prices high because they can't cut them? Ha. They've arranged their line-up just so it looks like the i processors are good value for money. I imagine I'll see a bunch of Pentium processors withdrawn and i stuff prices sliced if AMD's CPU is that good and its price point is that low.
Incidentally, that same price strategy is used by Apple. Keep an oldie in the line-up (Intel: Pentium; Apple: iPad mini 2) and then everything from that baseline to the top is price locked inside the range. Hurray, pre-owned stuff keeps its value for longer.
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It's Dr. Lisa Su (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Su), not Lisu.
499 bucks? How will this be 20-50% lower than Intel? Intel i7-7700 is around $362.73 according to pcpartpicker, which is still lower than the lower spec $399 AMD.
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I'm hopeful that AMD will be able to press this new design into better performance than Intel can manage with their current technology at this price point.
Your optimism is cute, but unwarranted. AMD won't really be a threat until they can easily beat Intel at every performance level, price be damned.
Intel has no problem dropping prices to match the price/performance of anything AMD does. Inel is able to demand the prices they currently do because of AMD's decade-long streak of incompetence. Intel knows they can charge more because AMD isn't a threat.
If you want to know what Intel does consider a threat, you have to look at the ARM architecture (and ecosystem). Granted, ARM isn't a single company, but that's part of Intel's problem: Competing with ARM is fighting a Hydra - one company's failure doesn't really affect the ecosystem much, and the combined might of all of the ARM licensees ensures its viability.
ARM has almost perfect dominance for everything mobile and embedded - a market Intel has been trying desperately to enter, with zero success.
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If it runs Windows 7 (need that for gaming) then I'm in if not then I will stay for now on the i7...
As a software developer where stability, reliability and conformance to x86 standards are critical, Intel has always been my CPU of choice. Also as a gamer seeking the most powerful system possible, Intel has always been my CPU of choice. The only criteria AMD have ever really won on is "Performance per $", which given that I am not particularly budget-limited has never been a significant consideration to me. Certainly not nearly enough to outweigh the others.
Furthermore over decades of working with PCs I have seen a clear pattern that AMD-based PCs always seem to have little quirky things going on, such as more unexplainable blue screens etc, that just doesn't happen with Intel CPUs.
In my experience, exactly the same can be said of their GPUs compared to Nvidia's too.
Its nice to see AMD finally kicking Intel in the performance pants, because Intel are definitely overdue for some real competition at least in order to not just stagnate, however it seems to me that AMD even after decades still have other quirky little quality/reliability/compatibility issues to address that are just as damaging to their potential market deamnd as outright performance.
Is Ryzen pronounced "risen" (as in "AMD has risen from the dead")?
>"You really have not needed a faster CPU since the launch of Sandy bridge."
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can't you show me anything but surrender?
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P.S.=> They're in addition to https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10280229&cid=53912657 many more earlier + 1,000's worldwide - there's no arguing w/ success... apk
I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine. Your software is well written, functional. The Host File Engine performs exactly as promised by mmell
his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant
his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg
I've never tried to belittle (APK's) work, I've flat out said it's good by BronsCon
take a look at the APK hosts file engine by SuperKendall
APK is kinda right. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works by bmo
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I like your host file system by Karmashock
I find your hosts file admirable by vel-ex-tech
* My code's liked + recommended & hosted by Malwarebytes' hpHosts.
APK
P.S.=> More coming... apk
Do these work with powerd?
What does power consumption on an idle box look like?
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APK
P.S.=> They're in addition to https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10280229&cid=53913023/ many more earlier + 1,000's worldwide - there's no arguing w/ success... apk
If I were intel, power consumption would scare me. Intel has no competing part power-wise. It all adds up.
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look forward to our piledriver- and ddr3- selling ebay overlords.
Time for some cheap upgrades.
FYI, this is not an endorsement. But here is what a Micro Center email today quoted for pre-order pricing:
Ryzen 7 1800x, $499.99, sku 251736
Ryzen 7 1700x, $399.99, sku 250837
Ryzen 7 1700 , $329.99, sku 250803
I have no idea how these prices compare to other vendors.
When will 3D CPU's finally be a thang?
ps- yay for amd
....AMD mainboards are noticeably less expensive. Intel is the synonym for overpriced.
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* A jealous "FLIMZOR" ("ne'er-do-well" nobodies doing unidentifiable ac troll posts like you) doesn't stand out @ all + has accomplished zero (& you know it).
APK
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AND above ALL else?
Yes, HIS CAME OUT MUCH LATER THAN MINE DID proving it's MERE imitation, nothing more!
(... & using python, he didn't write anything himself really - the language itself provides the commands he merely used (& as far as sorts? I used the MOST optimal sort there is quite possibly in default quicksort (though I have written code for others that are better on small/mostly sorted OR unsorted, large/mostly sorted OR unsorted - uncessary & NOT optimal (heapsort's nice though, but it's HUGE code I don't need)).
APK
P.S.=> Above ALL else though? I'd give him credit for doing SOME kind of work, but you?? LOL, no way 'flimzor' the unidentifiable ac ZERO that you are (that I've obviously CRUSHED before head to head & so you do these ac posts of yours - how can a SCUMBAG whimp like YOU live with yourself I wonder?)... apk
8 core is old news.
What about Intel's 10 core CPUs?
*Yawn*
I would be more enthusiastic except for the fact that they've said Ryzen will only work on Windows 10.
Maybe we'll see unofficial drivers for Windows 7 or maybe they didn't pull an Intel and made the hardware backward compatible with Win7-level drivers, but given that I'm boycotting Windows 10, I have no compelling reason to upgrade as my existing APU systems are not even taxed by the stuff I use under Linux.
The only real drive for me to upgrade is games performance and that is still a Windows world...