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New submitter cherishjoo shares a report written by David Katzmaier via CNET: When the first curved TVs appeared more than three years ago I asked whether they were a gimmick. As a TV reviewer I had to give the curve a fighting chance, however, so I took a curved Samsung home to live with my family for awhile, in addition to subjecting it to a full CNET review. In the end, I answered my own question with the headline "Great picture quality, but the curved screen is a flat-out gimmick." Since then most of the video geeks I know, including just about everybody I hear from on Twitter, Facebook and article comments, pooh-poohs curved TV screens as a useless distraction. A curved TV takes the traditional flat screen and bends it along a gentle arc. The edges end up a bit closer, ostensibly providing a slight wraparound effect. Curved TV makers, citing huge curved screens like IMAX, call their sets more "immersive" than their flat counterparts, but in my experience that claim doesn't hold water at in-home (as opposed to theatrical) screen sizes and viewing distances. The only real image-quality benefit I saw to the curve was a reduction in reflections in some cases. That benefit wasn't worth the slight geometric distortions introduced by the curve, not to mention its awkwardness when hung on the wall. That said, the curve doesn't ruin an otherwise good picture. In TVs, assuming similar prices, curved vs. flat boils down to a choice of aesthetics. As Katzmaier mentioned, curved TVs have been on the market for several years now, and while manufacturers continue to produce them, the verdict on whether or not the pros outweigh the cons is still murky. Here's our question for you: Are curved televisions worth the inflated price tag? If you are in the market for a new TV, does the fact that the display is curved entice you or steer you away?

179 comments

  1. pointless by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wouldn't buy one. I can't imagine it being particularly better to watch. Given the same $$ I'll spend on higher resolution and framerate over curved.

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    1. Re:pointless by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I'm waiting for this fad to pass. Anyone who doesn't live by themselves is better served by a flat display. And those that do live alone get a marginal benefit, at best. Certainly not worth the aesthetic annoyance of how it sits against the wall, nor the fact that it's subpar if you ever do get someone to watch things with you.

    2. Re:pointless by rtb61 · · Score: 0

      Higher resolution, frame rate, curve, 3D, fuck it all, more power, more power, more power. Lots of ram, user installable OS, play right on the TV no console, mass storage, when the TV screen is off it might as well be a file server. Really, really, big screen all in one Android at a pinch, preferably Linux or Steam OS or even Mac OS. Fuck the pretty picture I want more power, more ram, more storage and definitely no fixed camera or microphone (removable with manual on off switch). Ohh and a tablet tied to the system as a remote control and keyboard and remote visual unit, preferably the TV being able to handle more than one tablet connected at a time for group play. MORE POWER

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    3. Re:pointless by Tatarize · · Score: 2

      I'd buy 5 tvs, and mount them all to the wall and give them a slight curve for the same money.

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    4. Re: pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems like a bad idea for a TV, but when used for 1 person playing a game it seems kind of cool.

    5. Re:pointless by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      If they actually shot video for a curved screen it might matter, but that's the point- nothing is. Not only that, the issue didn't even occur to the marketers.

    6. Re:pointless by sims+2 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Tool time!

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    7. Re:pointless by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't buy one.

      They would have to pay me to buy one.

    8. Re:pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm waiting the for smart TV fad to pass, but I don't think it's going to.

      Why I can't find a 75" oled screen, 4K, flat, with an 3 or 4 HDMI or better yet DP in, optical out and a fucking IR sensor.

      I'd would gladly pay 10% more than the price of smart TV for that.

    9. Re: pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basic functionality coupled with a superb display. If I wanted a proprietary computer that the manufacturers will completely drop support for and obsolete within 2 years, I'd buy a giant smartphone.

    10. Re:pointless by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, for the longest time you couldn't find *ANY* 4K TV that wasn't curved. Drove me crazy. I hate those ugly pointless curved displays. Whoever sold TV manufacturers on that gimmick should be tied down and forced to watch Highlander 2 over-and-over again on the world's largest curved TV.
       

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    11. Re:pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is like 3D... worthless, let me explain why...
      There is a serious 'lensing' affect with curved screens.
      The content is filmed with normal lenses expected to project on flat screens.
      Therefore, if you present flat lensed content on curved screens, you get weird ass 'swimmy' lensing effects that your brain and eyes can't compensate for, your body is trying to compensate for FAKE, because it's not natural, and never can be.
      The ONLY time curved screens could ever work is if your eyes were at the center and focus of curvature,
      which they are most normally never not at, and only one person can ever occupy that sweet spot.
      So, until they changed to curved lenses, which they will NEVER do,
      curved screens are a total scam upon you they buyer.
      NEVER buy curved.
      NEVER buy 3D.

    12. Re:pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And evern IF they did change to curved lenses,
      there would ever can be only ONE person at the sweet spot,
      everyone else must be stays at the shitty 'swimmy' spots.
      CURVED is a FAILURE from the start.
      NEVER buy it.

    13. Re:pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are ONLY a FEW things you should EVER care about with a TV

      - Color accuracy
      follow the standard curves here, seriously
      - 0 IRE brightness capability
      black must be black, this is MUCH harder to achieve with LED than contrast ratios
      - Percent of the signal actually visible on the screen (ie: 100%)
      do not crop the original signal
      - Uniformity across all screen areas
      no area not changing in luminance or chrominance or gamut to the original signal
      - Geometry across all screen areas
      no area not circle or square to the original signal

    14. Re:pointless by TWX · · Score: 2

      Friends of mine had a very, very early projector TV that had a large box about the size of a dishwasher housing a three-element projector that sat on the floor, with steel square-tubes that led to the wall, where an upright set of steel square-tubes had a curved parabolic screen mounted to them, that at the dead-center was exactly ninety degrees perpendicular to the projector. Even back then, the curve screen was not desirable, it was necessary in order to get the image to look right on a screen the better part of a hundred inches across the diagonal. The three projector elements were not perfectly in-parallax to each other when shining on a flat surface, but the curve of the screen allowed the image to be produced without significant parallax error on the colors.

      I admit I was hooked on projectors from that point, but by the time I was able to get a projector for TV, office projectors that didn't need curved screens were readily available. I still have my first one actually, only 800x600 and a dim 300 lumens, but it has optical parallax correction and gets its image through a single LCD, so there are not problems with colors being out of alignment, and with the movable mirror for parallax and a manual zoom lens there's no problem with getting the image right within a certain bounds.

      I just don't see any benefit in curved screens now, the content isn't filmed with them in mind, the content generally isn't even theatrically conceived to need a huge screen let alone a curved one, and the screens aren't so big relative to the rooms to where the curve offers a greater screen size than the room naturally could accommodate. So I agree, gimmick.

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    15. Re:pointless by TWX · · Score: 2

      The theatrical release, or the Renegade Edition?

      If the latter, let me know when and where. I'll bring the laserdisc player and my matted widescreen version meant to show it widescreen on a 4:3 TV. We'll show it via composite video on a native-widescreen and let him or her choose the aspect ratio on the display, but none of them will look right. Zoom will be blocky, stretch will be skewed wide, and 4:3 will be tiny and show overscan and additional black bars on the sides in addition to the top and bottom..

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    16. Re:pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe the appropriate response to "MORE POWER" is a series of manly grunts. But I suppose kudos are in order for the reference regardless.

    17. Re: pointless by plover · · Score: 4, Funny

      Just because you have a "smart" TV doesn't mean you're stuck using the "smart" bits. Plug in an HDMI cable or three to the video source of your choosing, and you never have to touch the smart OS stuff unless you want to.

      Just because it has a network connection doesn't mean you have to connect it to a network.

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    18. Re: pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until they start building in a cell phone connection (just for the data-mining, not for you to use) and don't tell you about it.

      AFAIK they haven't done this yet, but I will not be even a little surprised if/when it comes out that they (the manufacturers) have started.

    19. Re:pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or better yet - buy 30 refurb 20 inch TVs and make a curved wall. It's called N1gger Curve.

    20. Re:pointless by davester666 · · Score: 2

      why not just never hook up the tv to a network? You just hook it up to the dvr/playstation/apple tv and use it as a dumb tv. It's not like the tv won't work without the wifi password...

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    21. Re:pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen one of those projectors. Not long later I got a CRT three tube projector myself, but without the whole steel contraption for a parabolic screen.

      CRT projectors have a lot of abilities to converge the three images on top of each other, it does take a few hours to do it right though, and you should only do it once the projector is heated up properly. I think the projector with the parabolic screen was specifically designed for it, either special electronics or special lenses or both.

    22. Re:pointless by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Stop giving the manufacturers ideas...

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    23. Re:pointless by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      If you like it. If you can use the feature immediately even with old content and if it won't create a compatibility war. Go ahead and get it if you can afford it and you think it is worth the price.
      Asking if one should get a luxury item will just get a bunch of no from people who didn't get it and a few yes from the ones who did.
      At this moment curved screens, 4/5k displays, uber video cards.... are luxury items that most can do without but we all want to splurge on something nice if we can.

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    24. Re:pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The TV manufacturers have had a bit of a crisis lately. We've reached the point where image quality is good enough for the vast majority who don't have the space or inclination to build a floor to ceiling home cinema, and there is no compelling need to upgrade before something actually breaks. The manufacturers made one last, heroic push for 3D (which failed), and the curved screen gimmick just smacks of desperation.

      However, the solution to this crisis was obvious (as much as it is obvious with every other mature tech sector). Stop trying to innovate and make money by giving consumers reasons to upgrade. Instead put unremovable spyware on every box and whore the consumers around like prison bitches to the highest bidder. Also, as a longer term strategy, find new and inventive ways to integrate into everyone's life (I believe this is referred to as 'building an ecosystem'), establish lock-in and exploit forced obsolescence and rent seeking opportunities.

    25. Re: pointless by dougdonovan · · Score: 1

      no but the smith and jones families have a couple so yeah i will keep up.

    26. Re: pointless by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      I own a curved TV and I have no idea what you're talking about. It is a pointless gimmick but nothing weird happens to the picture.

    27. Re: pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care for the TV-programming at all, got a large monitor since the screen is the same anyway, and a raspberry pi with libreelec.

      No tuner, no license to pay, cheaper and more flexible than a "smart" TV, which is basically the same thing anyway, but more or less locked down and out of your control.

    28. Re:pointless by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      I want my TV to do one job - display the image in the best quality possible for the given input (VHS or laserdisc should look the best it can, 1080p should look the best it can) with good black levels (like to watch movies with room lights off), accurate color reproduction and no dimming on bright images.(ABL).

      I do not need:
      1. smart functions or OS - I can connect a computer with a OS I want to it.
      2. good speakers or amplifier - I have a decent sound system.
      3. Low power consumption - I rarely watch movies and as long as the TV does not use more than about 1kW I'm good. More than that, it may trip the breaker and I may need more cooling in summer.
      4. Ultra thin case - as long as it is thinner than maybe 30-50cm, it's OK. A bigger case may make the TV more stable too.

    29. Re: pointless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahhh yes, there's nothing like injecting a perfectly cromulent racial slur into a tv discussion. Congrats.

    30. Re:pointless by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      So far as I know, LG is the only company that has made an OLED TV that size. Their current model, the OLED77G6P, fills many but not all of your wishes. It is flat and it has 4 HDMI inputs. It even has 3D capability, the only TV in the current LG lineup to have that.

      But it is a smart TV (WebOS 3.0). And it uses the RF-based Magic Remote, not IR. Not sure why you prefer IR; perhaps for the ability to control other components. An RF remote that comes with an IR blaster would be even better, as it would get you universal control along with the freedom from aiming and wall issues that RF brings you. But the Magic Remote is not that; for that level of remote bliss you have to go with something third-party like a Harmony Remote. If you can afford a $20,000 TV the additional expense shouldn't be a problem.

      And it has no optical audio outputs. You're never going to get those from anybody. The content producers won't let you have them. Current video sources (Blu-Ray and Ultra Blu-Ray, streaming boxes) are only allowed to pass high resolution audio formats over HDCP-protected HDMI. Any non-protected audio outputs are required to be downsampled to 16/48 or less, or restricted to the older lossy multichannel formats like the original Dolby Digital or DTS.

    31. Re:pointless by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      You're still stuck with the extra UI complications that come with a smart TV. But within three years you'll have to do that anyway because all the smart apps on the TV will be obsolete and no longer function with the services they're intended to work with. (Maybe five years for LG's WebOS TVs because they actually seem to occasionally get updates. And maybe Android TV; it remains to be seen whether that platform will receive regular updates.)

    32. Re:pointless by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      All the early projection TVs that I have seen had curved screens. That includes the Advent VideoBeam (the one that started it all), the Kloss NovaBeam (the new company Henry Kloss started after Advent threw him out), and a couple of models of those clunky one-piece things that some Japanese companies made. It makes the optical design simpler, since every point on the screen is the same distance from the lens. Those screens weren't just curved on one axis like the curved LCD and OLED TVs; the corners were bent in more.

      Here's an article about the VideoBeam 1000: http://www.soundandvision.com/...

    33. Re:pointless by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I suppose kudos are in order

      Nah. This only rates one kudo at most.

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    34. Re: pointless by DedTV · · Score: 1

      Just because you have a "smart" TV doesn't mean you're stuck using the "smart" bits.

      But you are stuck paying for them. Most people would prefer to not pay for things they don't want. Plus, all those smart bits often make TV performance terrible over that of a dumb box in things like channel switching unless you buy one of the really high end sets.

    35. Re:pointless by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      And it has no optical audio outputs. You're never going to get those from anybody. The content producers won't let you have them. Current video sources (Blu-Ray and Ultra Blu-Ray, streaming boxes) are only allowed to pass high resolution audio formats over HDCP-protected HDMI. Any non-protected audio outputs are required to be downsampled to 16/48 or less, or restricted to the older lossy multichannel formats like the original Dolby Digital or DTS.

      Frankly, that particular requirement doesn't make much sense. Wouldn't it be better to just use a receiver to do the HDMI switching and automatically decode the audio and amplify it out to your speakers? Why even bother with optical when the signal is already in the HDMI cable.

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    36. Re:pointless by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      The optical output is useful if you already own an older receiver or digital processor that lacks HDMI capability. In that setup you use the TV as the HDMI switcher, and then run digital audio over to the receiver.

      Usually the lack of HDMI would also mean that the equipment also would lack decoding of newer audio formats, so it would be time for a new one. But there are some very high end digital processors that receive regular software updates from their manufacturers and can decode formats that were released well after they were manufactured. Those things cost thousands of dollars, so the owner would be understandably reluctant to replace them.

  2. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Duh.

  3. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    No

  4. Gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even Panavision died out in the theaters due to it being a gimmick.

    1. Re:Gimmick by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      I think you mean Cinerama.

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    2. Re: Gimmick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Supermarionation

  5. They're worse for anything except up-close viewing by gweilo8888 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Curved monitors do make sense for the desktop PC, where you're sitting very close to the screen. They make no sense whatsoever in the living room, though. You're far too far away for the curve to make any noticeable difference to viewing *other* than making it even harder to avoid reflections. Don't buy one, they're idiotic.

  6. Bah.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Curved TV = 3D TV = Smart TV = Gimmick = Higher profit margins

    More to the point, crap programming looks just as bad on a curved screen as a flat screen, more effort in QUALITY programming would have a better long term impact.

    On the plus side though , we watch much less TV, spend far more time doing other things.

  7. I like my curved monitor by hawguy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a curved ultra-wide monitor, and I like the curvature -- I think it looks better than the same sized flat monitor I use at work when I look to the edges of the screen.

    But sit much closer to my monitor than I do to my TV.

    However, if I had a 4K TV and sat close enough to it to see an advantage in 4K (4.5 - 7 feet for a 55" TV), then maybe I'd see a similar advantage with a TV.

    1. Re:I like my curved monitor by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Distance doesn't matter. It's all down to how many degrees of your vision that the screen takes up.

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    2. Re:I like my curved monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ultra-wide is another retarded fad. I'd much rather get more vertical room.

    3. Re:I like my curved monitor by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Ultra-wide is another retarded fad. I'd much rather get more vertical room.

      It depends on what you watch the most. If it's movies, then a wider format would make sense. If it's modern television shows, then 16:9, if you mostly watch older television shows, then a 4:3 would be better. 16:9 is probably the best compromise as it's typically the cheapest at the moment.

    4. Re:I like my curved monitor by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Distance doesn't matter. It's all down to how many degrees of your vision that the screen takes up.

      Isn't that dictated by distance + screen size?

    5. Re:I like my curved monitor by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Ultra-wide is another retarded fad. I'd much rather get more vertical room.

      That's what I used to say until I got an ultra-wide monitor at work... I liked it enough to buy one for home too.

    6. Re:I like my curved monitor by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Distance doesn't matter. It's all down to how many degrees of your vision that the screen takes up.

      Yes it does. In order to have the same effect of the curvature, a screen at 10 feet has to have much more curvature at 10 feet that 2 feet, no matter how much of your FOV it occupies.

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    7. Re:I like my curved monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got one at work. It's now sideways in document mode.

    8. Re:I like my curved monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^^This, great for coding

    9. Re:I like my curved monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on what you watch the most.

      That word. You're thinking of media consumption. But for productivity, a "short screen" is a pain.

    10. Re:I like my curved monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I scored a curved 55" Samsung UN55KS8500 at work and liked it so much, that I bought one for home use. 29.97 fps is quite adequate for everything I do (code, browse the web, light gaming).

    11. Re:I like my curved monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. I got an ultrawide curved monitor for work and I love it (Dell 34"). In fact I don't even really think about it because I have so much screen real estate.

    12. Re:I like my curved monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me see, when I am programming I want to have many screens side by side. A tall screen is anoying because you have to look up and down.

      Debugging hardware (which works like a logic analyzer) you need a very wide screen indeed. The signal names and values already take up almost half the screen of a 16:9 screen, and you want the timeline of the signals to be rather wide. I kill for a UltraWide screen on my work, but it is not an option.

    13. Re:I like my curved monitor by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I have a curved ultra-wide monitor, and I like the curvature

      As a matter of personal interest what do you do on the monitor? I used one briefly and found it was horrible when doing anything like drawing, graphic design, photo editing, etc. It seemed to mess with the perspective.

    14. Re:I like my curved monitor by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Distance doesn't matter. It's all down to how many degrees of your vision that the screen takes up.

      That makes as much sense as saying it's all down to the area of the rectangle, the length doesn't matter. Field of vision (degrees) is a function of screen size and distance just like area is a function of length and width. Most of us sit way closer to the monitor than the TV, not just absolutely speaking but relative to the size. I just did a quick measurement and found I sit about 60cm away from a 28" monitor. That means I should sit 120cm from a 55" TV or 240cm away from a 110" TV for the same field of vision. In fact at the back wall of my living room at about 4m I'd need a 180" projector. So if curved only makes sense for big fields of vision, we need to sit way closer or buy way bigger TVs. So I think for typical living room distances the answer should be to give us reasonably priced 100"+ TVs first, then we can talk about curved.

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    15. Re:I like my curved monitor by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      It depends on what you watch the most.

      That word. You're thinking of media consumption. But for productivity, a "short screen" is a pain.

      Considering the title of TFA was asking about televisions, that's what I was talking about. Since you made no mention that you were talking about computer monitors, why would I assume it? But, again, it depends on what you are doing. I work in medical imaging and most medical workstations have a minimum of two 16:9 monitors in portrait orientation. Often times they will have more, or even one in landscape and two (or more) in portrait.

    16. Re:I like my curved monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Watch your smart phone three inches from your face and tell me you get the same experience from the theater. Don't forget that humans have stereoscopic vision in your "angle subtended" perspective.

    17. Re:I like my curved monitor by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that humans have stereoscopic vision

      I don't, you insensitive clod.

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    18. Re:I like my curved monitor by hawguy · · Score: 1

      I have a curved ultra-wide monitor, and I like the curvature

      As a matter of personal interest what do you do on the monitor? I used one briefly and found it was horrible when doing anything like drawing, graphic design, photo editing, etc. It seemed to mess with the perspective.

      Coding mostly, editor/IDE in the middle, debug output/IDE errors window on the right, browser window with docs on the left. With my laptop display open and used for email/Hipchat. I try to keep functions relatively short so they almost always fit within the vertical space of the monitor.

    19. Re:I like my curved monitor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Well met!) Presuming you have some vision (trying not to be insensitive again) I'll revisit this post when you obtain the right of passage known as presbyopia.

  8. If the title asks a question, the answer is: "No" by Nkwe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This title is not an exception.

  9. I won't buy one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I will only consider flat TVs when I make my purchases.

  10. zero benefit for me in a home env by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had the benefit of being able to do a home trial of Samsung's higher end 65" 4K HDR displays for my living room. Other than the curved thing, it's my understanding that the KS9000 is pretty much the same as the KS9500. I tried them both for a week, feed them both 1080p, 4k, 4k HDR and noticed no real difference in terms of quality. I didn't care for the curve, but it didn't detract from the image....and I ended up purchasing the non-curved variant.

    So for me, there was no benefit of one over the other and I preferred the aesthetics of the flat screen.

    Best,

    1. Re:zero benefit for me in a home env by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. There's a very noticeable difference in a 1080p and 4k video source even on a 1080p TV, due to chroma subsampling.

      A standard 4:2:0 4k video downsampled to 4:4:4 1080p ends up with a full 1920x1080 chroma samples. That's 4x as many chroma samples as Blu-ray or broadcast TV (at 4:2:0 1080p = only 960x560 chroma samples).

      See for yourself: Comparison of 4:1:1, 4:2:0, 4:2:2 and 4:4:4

    2. Re:zero benefit for me in a home env by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only 960x560 chroma samples

      Whoops. Typo. I meant to type 960x540.

      p.s. Please add a 2-minute edit window for posts.

    3. Re:zero benefit for me in a home env by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nitwit. He's not comparing 1080p vs. 4k and saying there was no noticeable difference. He's comparing flat vs. curved screen with various quality sources and saying there's no noticeable difference between curved and flat.

    4. Re:zero benefit for me in a home env by Nothing2Chere · · Score: 1

      Nitwit. How do you expect to get a 2-minute edit window when you post as an AC?

    5. Re:zero benefit for me in a home env by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With sessions and cookies. You're the nitwit.

      P.S. Not the same A.C. as parent.

    6. Re:zero benefit for me in a home env by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cookies, dipshit. It works for deletion links on anonymous services like github gist and imgur.

      p.s. Finding a typo 2 seconds after I post is one of the main reasons I don't post with the account I stopped using 15 years ago.

  11. In my day... by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... all TVs were curved.

    They also had rounded corners. Maybe the next hot thing will be TVs that have corners with acute angles.

    1. Re:In my day... by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm waiting for CRTs to make a comeback. Along with vinyl.
      Some of the really trendy people will have modified oscilloscopes and wax cylinders.

    2. Re:In my day... by molarmass192 · · Score: 2

      You were lucky to have a curved TV! We used to have a round TV with 2 lines of resolution. The refresh rate was 1 frame per day. It would take us an entire lifetime to watch a 30 minute show!

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    3. Re:In my day... by glitch! · · Score: 1

      Some of the really trendy people will have modified oscilloscopes...

      Vectors, baby! And there is the visual "richness" of a classic movie displayed on an electrostatic screen, a richness that magnets just can't deliver!

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    4. Re:In my day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Dude, I think you were watching your mailbox.

    5. Re:In my day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mine had crosshairs on the tube as well!

    6. Re:In my day... by eford49 · · Score: 1

      And we had test patterns! I was watching the opening scene of the original Poltergeist the other day and realized that many folks today would have no idea why the national anthem was playing or why there was only static on the TV picture. Ah, how I miss the good ole days!

    7. Re:In my day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your day is old. I remember the olden days too, but I refuse to claim them. Things are way better now.

    8. Re:In my day... by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Mine had crosshairs on the tube as well!

      Odd, my tube has curly hairs.

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    9. Re:In my day... by pipingguy · · Score: 1

      Needs a drop shadow, too.

    10. Re: In my day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My thoughts exactly. FINALLY we get flat screens, no more distortion, and now they want to bring it back. WTF?

      On the plus side, yesterday I watched A New Hope in original VHS and it was a *revelation*. The image breathed in an organic way and revealed far more detail than a sampled digital image ever could. With analog, you get *100%* of the signal, not some digital "approximation." Treat yourself and view it in VHS as the artist intended.

    11. Re:In my day... by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      CRTs have good black levels. This is important when watching a movie in a dark room. I have a plasma TV (bought a plasma because its black levels should be better than those of a LCD for a similar price) and its black levels are still worse than CRT. I have a CRT computer monitor so when I go watch TV I immediately notice the non-black black color.

    12. Re:In my day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same people will wax lyrical about content filmed on flying-dot cameras... so much more vivid and lifelike than CCD!

    13. Re:In my day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Black levels are what spoil a lot of ripped DVDs. It's hard to enjoy the movie when there are visible colour gradient boundaries all over the screen every time things get a little dark.

  12. Great for unrealistic conditions, bad otherwise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great if you plan is to watch on your own at a fixed distance from the screen.
    Terrible for the the other 99% who watch with other people in a non-optimal position from any old angle.

  13. Pointless for TVs, great for monitors. by haemish · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've had one curved TV, and it was very nice when my head was in the sweet spot at the center of curvature, but anywhere else, meh. Monitors are another thing: I've got one of the 34" Samsung monitors, whose curvature is set for a good reading distance, and it's an awesome experience. I now find extended periods with flat monitors to be awful.

    1. Re:Pointless for TVs, great for monitors. by ook_boo · · Score: 1

      I have a 55" 4K LG monitor that I use for my PC. I sit slightly more than one arm's length away from the screen. I think the curvature adds something to it, but I can't say for sure because I'm not about to test it by comparing it to a flat 55" 4K monitor. Mainly I think the curvature is a currently-fashionable design aesthetic for screens.

    2. Re:Pointless for TVs, great for monitors. by munch117 · · Score: 1

      A quick google tells me it's a 21:9 ultra-wide. What's it like in portrait? Is it even possible to swivel into portrait mode?

    3. Re:Pointless for TVs, great for monitors. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even with a 4K monitor, aren't the blocky pixels needed to fill out that 55" panel burning your eyes?

      I found that a 43" 4K was just about perfect as a monitor while a 46" one was starting to get irritating as I could resolve the pixels and I don't even have good eyes (anymore).

  14. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Curved monitors do make sense for the desktop PC, where you're sitting very close to the screen. They make no sense whatsoever in the living room, though. You're far too far away for the curve to make any noticeable difference

    It's a scalable situation. If the TV occupies a similar viewing angle to your monitor, then curvature would have just the same impact. As I type this, my laptop's screen occupies about the same amount of my view as my further-away TV.

    That doesn't mean I don't also think it's a bit of a pointless fad, though.

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  15. For most people, the answer is no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For the one person who sits close to the TV right at the center, a curved TV reduces the distortion slightly and helps improve the uniformity of screen brightness. For someone watching the TV significantly off-center, the curvature of the screen makes those problem worse on one side of the image.

    1. Re:For most people, the answer is no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      reduces the distortion slightly

      No, curved displays add distortion. You might like the it, just like audiophiles like certain types of distortion, but it's still distortion.

    2. Re: For most people, the answer is no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Curved displays only make sense for massive displays. Small displays deviate so little from an arc that you're not going to notice anything. The human eye has a huge depth of focus. Curved displays come from projection technology where you need the curve to keep the entire screen in focus.

  16. Looks like the question has been answered... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guess I'll fire up a fatty

  17. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by gweilo8888 · · Score: 1

    I'm well aware of that. I'm also well aware that nobody except perhaps the 1%ers and those living in shoe boxes will be sitting close enough or own a TV large enough for that scalability to make a lick of difference.

  18. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I gotta say you're wrong. A curved monitor has much more tangible effects as a monitor simply due to how closely you sit to it. With that said there are situations which produce even more staggering results. Samsungs new 21:9 panel the CF791 produces not only excellent picture, but due to its width and curvature produces a much more immersive effect. The unfortunate take-away is that there is virtually no content for 21:9 and as such it's only suited for gaming due to the poor OS scaling. But god damn is gaming awesome on it.

  19. Obligatory Monty Python Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IkbCeZ9to

  20. No thanks by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    TV make you dumb, regardless of its curvature.

    1. Re:No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TV make you dumb, regardless of its curvature.

      It really boils down to what you like to watch and whether that is passive or active entertainment.

      There are educational programs where you can learn about interesting (subjective) things compared to just watching the news, drama, comedy, soap etc (again subjective) but all this is passive entertainment since you don't really control what you see except of course the sound and picture brightness which is normally set and forget.

      Active entertainment is where you as the viewer has a direct input to the what is happening on the screen with the best example being computer games.

      As for "TV makes you dumb" then that is a matter for intense debate.

  21. Maybe for the "Videophile"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once a got a solid job.. I was able to finally reach my nirvana as an audiophile (no haters please) with a set of Martin Logan ESL speakers and a Yamaha RX-V1 receiver. This was the best audio experience I've ever had. Fast forward to HDTV and the media room... those same two front speakers are bupkus unless you are sitting directly in front of the center channel (another ML center channel). Add 7.2 Martin Logan rear and left/right uppers... and Script left and right back channel.. and those same crazy expensive primary left and primary right speakers again... only detract from the experience.

    This is the reason I won't buy a curved TV. No matter what commercial or advertising slick you read that advertises a great experience for the whole room... a curved TV has a focal point, just like those crazy expensive speakers I bought so many years ago.. and that is the single target audience at the center of the TV's radius. Now this is a videophile experience.. which leaves out anybody else in the room.

    As a computer monitor (single audience) it makes perfect sense... as an audiophile/videophile critic maybe the same.. but if you have friends over to watch anything the entire argument falls apart. Trust me from experience I can say this from audio.. anybody not sitting somewhere between the left and right channel speaker doesn't have a good home theater experience.

    1. Re:Maybe for the "Videophile"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of audiophile are you without Genelec speakers?

  22. NO by chromaexcursion · · Score: 2

    Stupid marketing ploy.
    As a video engineer all I can do is shake my head at the stupidity.

    1. Re:NO by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Stupid marketing ploy. As a video engineer all I can do is shake my head at the stupidity.

      This is Television, and this is America.Our specialty is making stupid people and things famous.

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  23. Re:If the title asks a question, the answer is: "N by molarmass192 · · Score: 0

    ^^^THIS^^^ ... on the intertubes this is about as close as one can get to 100% certainty.

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  24. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Curved monitors do make sense for the desktop PC, where you're sitting very close to the screen. They make no sense whatsoever in the living room, though. You're far too far away for the curve to make any noticeable difference

    It's a scalable situation. If the TV occupies a similar viewing angle to your monitor, then curvature would have just the same impact. As I type this, my laptop's screen occupies about the same amount of my view as my further-away TV.

    That doesn't mean I don't also think it's a bit of a pointless fad, though.

    It's a percentage thing. The distance you are sitting from the screen and the amount of curvature are much smaller relatively. The relative distance of say a two inch curvature is much more at two feet than it is at 10 feet. At 10 feet that much curvature makes it flat for all practical purposes.

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  25. Gimick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never will buy one. Why would I want to limit who can view the TV so that one or two people can have an "immersion"? Really? This is even below 3D TVs.

  26. Curved screen equal screwed up sound? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I cannot remember where I read this, and tried googling it no avail: Madman Muntz was a whacky Californian (am I being redundant) inventor and marketeer who was an early adopter of whacky TV ads in the 1950s and later. He made and lost millions on early TV sets, car stereos, a "jet"car, and IIRC (probably not), invented the first large screen TV. I used some kind of projection or mirror.
    This was one of his failures, if he was the one who did it. It had a curved screen, and if you know how audio works, that is one of the worst shape for reflected sound you want. Research Floyd Toole's research on audio speakers, if interested.
    Question: do the modern screens also screw up the sound?

  27. YES THEY ARE!!! by Arkh89 · · Score: 1
  28. Is someone trolling Betteridge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone must be trolling rolling Betteridge!

  29. Re:If the title asks a question, the answer is: "N by sconeu · · Score: 2

    Betteridge's Law of Headlnes

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  30. Are Nkwe and molarmass192 Straight? by sexconker · · Score: 1

    See title.

    1. Re:Are Nkwe and molarmass192 Straight? by Nkwe · · Score: 2

      For your argument to work, you should really pick something that is an insult or negative.

  31. Re:If the title asks a question, the answer is: "N by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    This is nearly what I scrolled down to post. I was going to go with "From the dep't. of Betteridge's Law"

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  32. Not convinced by adamantine.me · · Score: 1

    I don't see the allure. I get the idea, but the effect is so small it's not worth it to me. That and I was already completely content sitting on the far left/right side of a screen.

  33. Re: They're worse for anything except up-close vie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use dual monitors at work. They are alseays slightly tulted towars each other, I find it easier on my vision and I get less side glare. A single curved screen of the same size is preferable to me, as I don't have the center split line.
    Some guys prefer to keep their dual monitors flat.

    But for a TV, I find no benefit at all in a curved screen.

  34. Was Hitler wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This title is not an exception.

  35. How close is close? by dtmancom · · Score: 1

    People keep saying, "They really only make a difference up close." What is up close? In my media room the 55" 1080P TV is EXACLTY 8' 6" from my eyeballs when I am in the couch. Would I see a difference upgrading to a 4k, curved TV? Yes, I know I would see the 4k. I am wondering about the curve, at the distance.

  36. No content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No content is designed for a curved screen. Even when you go to a movie theater, or an IMAX theater, the screen is flat.

    About the only reason to have a curved screen is a cockpit simulator, and even then, that would be the if all the controls were on a second flat screen.

    This is a worse gimmick than 3D, at least 3D pretended to be able to view content like it was in the theater, but ultimately felt like looking at card-board cutouts, no depth. VR headsets may ultimately be the better use of 3D content. A curved screen just takes up more space.

    1. Re:No content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not true. If the screen were flat, then most of the screen would be out of focus due to the significant variance in the distance from the projector to the screen. If you look closely at the screen when you're at the theater, you'll notice that it's at a slight arc. The larger the screen the more obvious the curve is. But, they all have curves to them as well as little holes so that the screen stays in place.

  37. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by locater16 · · Score: 1

    Actually, they don't make sense for upclose viewing either. At no point is the field of view for a movie or game or etc. taking a curved screen into account, and so at no point should the screen be curved. If you want "immersive" go buy a VR headset with a high end PC. They're pretty cool if you can afford the price tag. On the other had the only reason curved screens exist is because the industry figured out how to relatively cheaply curve a production screen, and they decided to see if it would sell just because they had them.

  38. No thanks for me. by antdude · · Score: 1

    I didn't even like the curved screen in theaters like at Arclight's Dome in Hollyw(oo/e(e/ir))d! :P

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  39. improper video feed by rubycodez · · Score: 1, Funny

    of course the curved screen looked improper, it wasn't fed with a $1500 braided Monster video cable with iridium plated plugs, delivering crisply delineated zereos and ones ensuring cozy comforting pastels and incendiary unsaturated colors

  40. The curve isn't for you by Solandri · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's for manufacturing tolerances and component rigidity. A curved surface is more rigid, especially if it has a double-curve. Back when HDTVs had CCFL backlights and were 2-3 inches thick, the extra thickness helped to stiffen them. Just like an I-beam. The sole purpose of the middle section of an I-beam is to separate the two ends by as much distance as possible. The more you can separate them, the more the beam can resist bending moments and the more rigid it is.

    But as we moved to LED backlights and HDTVs became thinner, the separation between the front and back halves became smaller and they started to lose this rigidity. When you take something very big and flat and make it thin, it loses its rigidity. It wants to flop over - just like a sheet of paper. Manufacturers wanted to make the TVs thinner, but didn't want the top half flopping over. One answer is to add thick metal stiffeners, but that adds weight. Another answer is add a slight curve. When you do that, part of the bending moment trying to flop the top over gets converted into compressive stresses in the curved parts, and the panel is easily able to resist flopping over.

    1. Re:The curve isn't for you by Pentium100 · · Score: 1

      That's a crappy reason. When I pay a lot of money for the TV, I would gladly pay $100 more to get a thicker and stronger case (and it should not cost that much to make it thicker and stronger).

    2. Re:The curve isn't for you by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Manufacturers wanted to make the TVs thinner, but didn't want the top half flopping over.

      This post deserves its +5 moderation for this sentence alone. The mental image it summons up makes me giggle. Pair it with an Abbot and Costello routine trying to prevent the top half from flopping over for even more giggles.

      I tend to agree that the mechanics of the situation have made the curve attractive to manufacturers. It'd be different if all large screens were wall mounted, and the ISO mount was something like a bar along the top instead of the rectangle in the middle. As it is, with a large percentage of TVs sitting on stands supporting them from their ISO mounts, I can easily see the curve being exploited to make a thinner display, reducing material costs.

  41. Read this one review by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Before you buy a curved TV, please read this detailed and thoughtful review by a consumer electronics viewer's wife of the Samsung curved TV:

    I hate it so much

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  42. 3d + curved = ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    if you put 3d content on a curved tv, what do you get??

    glare from every angle and a headache.

  43. No, it introduces distortion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A camera lens projects a 3D scene on a flat surface. Straight lines in the 3D scene will be represented by straight lines in the 2D image when a good lens is used (there are a few exceptions such as fish eye lenses). When you display this on a flat screen there will be perspective distortions when you don't watch from the ideal viewpoint for a scene, but on a flat screen you will see a straight line as straight, regardless of which viewpoint you watch the screen from. On a curved screen many straight lines will be shown as curves, unless the manufacturer distorts the image to compensate for that (I don't know if they do). But this compensation can only work for a single viewpoint, so unless only one person watches tv while sitting in the ideal spot the distortion will be present.

    A curved screen introduces distortions flat screens don't have while still having the limits any flat screen has. They are more likely to make distortions worse than they are to reduce them.

  44. Hm.. by xlsior · · Score: 1

    It's a questionable benefit for whoever gets to sit at the 'perfect' spot directly in front of it, but a definite downgrade for all other seats in the room who will all get more image distortion and weird reflections. All things being equal, personally I'd pay extra NOT to have a curved screen.

  45. Same answer as 4k tv ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its probably the wrong application. I finally was able to put a 46inch 4k monitor on my desk to replace 1080ps and ... could be better quality but its the correct product. If it was curved might be even better as the monitors originally sat at a curve and that was slightly more comfortable.

    4k tv? whats the point. curved tv? whats the point. Large (45-50 inch maybe?) curved 4k monitor is likely the full answer, maybe with a tighter curve than tvs normally have.

  46. Price matters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least some curved 65" models have been a lot cheaper than their flat versions. Like the Samsung series 9 models... I don't know if that's because the manufacturers would rather sell you a curved screen, that you'd get bored of, and replace sooner, or their price gets reduced sooner because the sales are lower.

  47. Of course! by SEE · · Score: 1

    But only if you're watching HD-DVDs in active-shutter 3D.

  48. Where do you sit? by sgunhouse · · Score: 1

    How many people are in the room with you - or do you always watch by yourself? How close are people to the center of curvature? If you're at too much of an angle the image along the closer edge will be at even more of an angle and hard to see. Also, the floor sample I've seen appears to have a radius of curvature of about 8' (I didn't measure it, though) - if you're much further then flat might be better anyway.

    IMAX is more immersive because it subtends a larger viewing angle; if you sat 3' from your curved TV (and wore glasses to make it seem further) you might be able to duplicate the experience. Otherwise, it's not worth it.

  49. Glare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In our living room there's a window behind where we sit; with a flat screen TV all the glare from the window covers the entire screen for at least one of us. If I move it left, all I can see is glare, and if I move it right, glare is all she sees too. I ended up getting a curved TV just to fix the glare problem, which it does.

    1. Re:Glare by gweilo8888 · · Score: 1

      In your one specific situation, perhaps. In general, it will make the situation worse in more situations than it makes it better.

  50. Steer away away... by XSportSeeker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My current TV is a 55" flatscreen that has been serving me well... it serves me even better now that I disabled the "smart tv" functions. xD

    Here's the thing though: the way it's set up in my living room works well because it's parallel to the balcony. Unless the curved TV is made of some magical material, it'll probably reflect more light than the current setup. And no, I wouldn't trade my glossy screen for a matte one. :P

    That's all, of course, not even considering price difference. My ideal TV would be a big one without any of the extra frills that the TV industry came up in the past... what? 10 years? I ended up buying a 3D smart TV because it was in promotion and it came with a second 32" TV free, which was just perfect for my needs. What I really wanted though was a big screen that had enough ports on the back with fullHD resolution and good enough quality. That's it.

    No need for curve, no need for 3D, no need for crappy smart TV software that's both insecure and never updated, no need for embedded camera, voice commands, remote control that acts like a mouse... none of that crap.

    Honestly, I also don't need 4K or HDR, nor I'll be paying the extra price that comes with those features. I feel like I already pushed things a bit by wanting a fullHD TV when I already had a regular HD 720p TV, but since I'm using it as a computer monitor at times I thought it was still justifiable.

    Truth of the matter is that TV manufacturers have to keep pushing there extraneous features because they need to keep selling units. And hey, it's fine if it makes a difference for you, but I really don't care about those things at all.

    I imagine that the next TV I'll buy will have to probably be like a magnetic flexible sheet that you can carry around and throw in whatever room you wanted too. That is, of course, if my current TV lasts that long, which it probably won't. Oh well.

    1. Re:Steer away away... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like maybe you should just buy a large monitor instead of a large TV.

  51. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by djinn6 · · Score: 1

    The main problem is the curvature not being adjustable. I would like a 50 inch UHDTV as a monitor instead of two 20 inch ones next to each other, but even for a curved one, if I sit 2 feet away from it, it'll be hard to see the edges.

  52. So you didnt fall for 3D.. by drewsup · · Score: 1

    well Sir, we have this new (shiny) CURVED tv to sell you now, see ITS CURVED! How cool is that! Now just step over here to the register....

    1. Re:So you didnt fall for 3D.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference between 3D and Curved is that 3D was/is an idea the companies created figuring consumers might like it etc.

      Curved, as some other buried posts have pointed out, was never more than a technical necessity to address structural issues on panels - and then marketed as a feature. It's not as absurd a comparison as some people make out to remember that for a period the marketing was all about how FLAT a screen could get. FLAT was to goal. I'm sure if those engineers had wanted they could have gone concave but FLAT was the optimal goal.

      My brother got curved on the back of sales people assuring him that was the future. It's crap, and it's not. He took all of three sittings to realise he'd been conned.

  53. Not necessarily... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Title: "Would you like a cure for cancer to be discovered?"

    I am fairly sure that you would answer yes to that one.

    Be careful with absolute statements.

    That said, the answer to *this* Slashdot entry's question is of course a resounding no.

    Curved TVs are mostly useless. (Some would say completely useless, but in some cases - if you are the only person using it, and sitting at precisely the right spot - it's only mostly useless.)

    I actively do not buy any and would not buy even if they were cheaper than the non-curved ones, which they tend not to be, yet.

  54. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No content except all the 21:9 movies that where made in the last 60 years. 21:9 is pretty much the same a 2.40:1 (or the 2.35:1 DVD ratio).

  55. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Curved monitors do make sense for the desktop PC, where you're sitting very close to the screen.

    But does it really? What benefit do curved monitors give? I was told "the whole the screen is more evenly at the same distance from your eyes". But what I heard was "the screen is laid out in an unexpected and distorted way that screws with your brain".

    Seriously look at the history of curved images. They were all designed to completely trick the brain into creating an immerse environment. How does that help when you for example need to create a drawing, edit a word document, or god forbid try and correct lens distortion effects in a photograph?

    I could see it maybe making sense for games, but even then I'd probably suggest making a jump straight to a headset.

  56. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the TV occupies a similar viewing angle to your monitor, then curvature would have just the same impact

    Got to keep that in mind when I consider buying a 200 inch tv :)

    As I type this, my laptop's screen occupies about the same amount of my view as my further-away TV.

    A curved laptop screen doesn't make heck of a sense either so I scaled the size/distance combo of a gaming rig instead.

  57. Re:If the title asks a question, the answer is: "N by amacide · · Score: 1

    Yep, and us Aussies have an old colloquial term for the TV... "idiot box".

    "Oh is mine curved enough?"

    Bread & circuses ;-)

  58. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The big practical problem with curved monitors is that there's usually no way to let the monitor correct for the perspective distortion that the curved screen causes.
    And even if there is a dial for that, the ideal setting is very dependent on your viewing position relative to the monitor.
    Bottom line is, if you're watching a film or playing a game, most lines that are supposed to be straight appear curved. And especially in 3D games that effect gives me motion sickness symptoms.

  59. Re:If the title asks a question, the answer is: "N by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... unless the headline is: "Should Donald Trump be removed from office?"

    Take your pick: Impeachment or 4th clause of the 25th Amendment. One way or another, Pence will be POTUS #46 by the end of the year.

  60. No way by kilodelta · · Score: 0

    The curve is a gimmick and nothing more. However I do see a use for roll up TV's and phones. That said, I need to replace my old Element ELCH401K - it's gone through two power supplies. And I don't have the time or inclination at the moment to rip out the power supply and just replace all the junk Chinese capacitors in the thing to bring it back to life. I figure parts wise it's going to cost about $50 and my time has to be accounted - I estimate 3 hours repair time so that brings total cost to repair to $300. I can get a new one for a bit more.

  61. I'm a dope. All this time I thought that curving by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    the screen made it easier to ship large TVs with less breakage, a great benefit for the manufacturer. But the marketing folks have educated me properly now- it makes the picture better! Doh!

  62. A flailing industry. by green1 · · Score: 1

    The TV industry is hurting, they long for the glory days when everyone wanted to trade their old 20" SD CRT TV for a fancy new 43" HD LCD. Those were great times for the TV industry. Unfortunately for them, HD TVs have hit saturation, and there just isn't the desire for everyone to go out and replace their perfectly good HD TV with whatever today's gimmick is. We've seen 3D TVs, 4 colour pixels, Curved screens, apps, apps, and more apps, and now 4K. Nobody is rushing out to replace their TV for any of these. Sure 4K will eventually catch on, but much slower than HD did because for most people they can't tell the difference unless they can see it side by side with HD at the same time, and even then, it's only marginally better (if at all) at normal viewing distances and screen sizes.

    There will likely be a new fad next year too as TV manufacturers try, yet again, to re-capture the glory days of the SD-HD shift. But those days are gone, and I don't anticipate them returning for another generation.

  63. Yes! Can't go back to flat. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forget immersion, curved screens reduce eye strain, and going back to a large flat screen becomes intolerable.
    You only really notice once you (quickly) get used to the curved screens, then you really do note the little extra distance at the edges of a large flat screen -so much so that it becomes a distraction.

  64. Re:If the title asks a question, the answer is: "N by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That only applies to new reports. This isn't no news pretending to be important. It's a question. Question's can be answered with yes.

  65. Not in my house by macbass · · Score: 1

    I recently shopped for a new TV. Looked at flat and curved screens, hated the curved screens and couldn't stand the glare. Read the reviews, too, and concluded that curved screens are going away, just like 3D did. Bought an LG that was one step below their OLED's. Couldn't be happier - oh, and it's not hooked up to my network so it's just a dumb TV.

  66. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by gweilo8888 · · Score: 1

    So you've got to say I'm wrong by repeating what I said with different words, and then tacking on a lengthy ramble about how great one specific desktop monitor is as if I hadn't started my own post off with the words "Curved monitors do make sense for the desktop PC"?

  67. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by gweilo8888 · · Score: 1

    Two words: Placebo effect.

  68. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by gweilo8888 · · Score: 1

    Yes, there are some things for which it isn't well suited, even on the desktop. For the things that most of us typically use desktops for these days, though (that is, work), curved monitors arguably slightly better.

  69. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by gweilo8888 · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but no. Depending upon the work you're doing, curved monitors can in fact be noticeably better on the desktop. Not for *every* purpose for which you might use your desktop, necessarily, but for many purposes.

  70. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    I was thinking of curvature in terms of degrees, or relative to screen size, not absolute inches.

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  71. Worse than gimmick by markdavis · · Score: 1

    >"The only real image-quality benefit I saw to the curve was a reduction in reflections in some cases. "

    Sorry. In ALL cases, the curved screen creates MORE glare and that glare moves rapidly with even the slightest head movement resulting in HUGE distractions. Curved screens for TV's are 100% worse than even a gimmick. They were from the start.

    Now, if you have a curved COMPUTER MONITOR ,where you are sitting just a foot from it and there is some wrap around, that is different and can be useful. But for large TV's viewed at a normal distance, they are far, far worse in every way than a flat screen. Worse viewing angles, more distortion, more reflections, moving reflections, takes up more space, looks stupid on a wall, etc. DIE!

  72. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by denbesten · · Score: 1

    What benefit do curved monitors give? I was told "the whole the screen is more evenly at the same distance from your eyes". But what I heard was "the screen is laid out in an unexpected and distorted way that screws with your brain"

    Once you need reading glasses you will suddenly understand the value in having the screen more evenly at the same distance from your eyes. Today I accomplish this by carefully positioning my multiple monitors. At some point I probably will replace them all with a larger curved QHD display.

  73. Curves bad- now give me back my dumb TV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Curves are bad and I want my back my dumb TV while we're at it and complete sources to whatever software AND drivers remain in use in the "dumb" TV. Smart people buy only "dumb" TVs.

    1. Re:Curves bad- now give me back my dumb TV by green1 · · Score: 1

      If it were truly a "dumb" tv there wouldn't be any software or drivers for you to get the source for.... Perhaps you need to define what level of smart you want?

  74. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by InvalidsYnc · · Score: 1

    I have a 40" 4K TV as a monitor, I can tell you that having a curved monitor vs a flat monitor at this size would be a huge benefit (I only have a flat screen). I find myself shifting to the left or right a little to focus on some of the text or images on my screen, or just putting up with the slight dimming near the edges). Were the screen curved, I would not have to shift at all as the edges of the screen would be pointing more toward me, rather than at the angle that the flat screen provides.

    Anyway, my 2.

  75. Re: They're worse for anything except up-close vie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it's just that the curved tv is the only HD tv he's ever seen. So it really is amazing to him.

  76. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope.

  77. Curved screens... by Blrfl · · Score: 1

    ...because there's nothing like adding distortion to content collected on a flat film plane.

  78. One Use by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

    Curved displays have one use: building an immersive cockpit environment for games. Flight simulators, racing simulators, and giant robot games could benefit from 210 degrees of curved display. Oh, and that farming simulator where you can drive the tractors and combines. There isn't much else that does. Of course they're only useful if you can afford enough of them. The large format ones tend to have a radius of 13 to 16 feet, requiring so many to surround your cockpit and so many stacked vertically to fill your field of vision that it gets prohibitively expensive and ends up with a goofy image distortion problem in the uppermost row of displays. That and some curved TVs are a parabolic arc, not a circular arc, causing further problems.

    If you could get ultrawide curved screens with circular arcs of radius of 6 to 8 feet, you've got yourself a great way to build a serious cockpit for simulations.

    The cockpit building community[1] has for years now been using projectors and curved projection surfaces. This keeps costs down, but of course means the cockpit structure has strictly limited height, or it will interfere with the projections. If the curved display fad among manufacturers lasts just long enough, they'll get to seriously upgrade.

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  79. Re:If the title asks a question, the answer is: "N by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's generally true, but the headline could just have been "Are curved TV's going out of style?"

    At that point, if you are answering no to all headlines, you're basically just guessing against whoever wrote the article.

  80. TVs, no. Monitors, yes. by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 1

    The manufacturers can't even agree on which curvature is better, concave or convex (although most are concave now).
    If you live on your own and watching TV is purely a solitary experience, or maybe with one other person, a curved TV can be OK, but if you're getting a few friends over to watch a movie or a sports game, only the person in the centre will have a decent view.

    For a monitor, on the other hand, you're sitting on your lonesome, right in the sweet spot and a curved monitor can be great for some tasks.

  81. Even if you're the sole viewer by _Shorty-dammit · · Score: 1

    Even if you're the sole viewer it is practically useless. Screen sizes are too small for it to be of any real benefit. Just like 4k. Yeah, I said it. Your retinas are no better, so 4k's useless to you, too. :P

  82. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by jon3k · · Score: 1

    If the TV occupies a similar viewing angle to your monitor, then curvature would have just the same impact.

    That's not really the case, or even the recommendation. The recommendation for seating distance is 1.5-2.5x the width of the TV. Let's go on the high side of that and say 1.5x (much closer to the TV). Recommended distance from your monitor to your eyes is 15-30". If you have a 24" monitor that means you're probably sitting closer to 1:1, on average. These day's it's not uncommon to see 27" or even larger monitors. So not only is the recommendation not equivalent, in practice it's even worse, generally.

  83. 3D does better what curved is attempting. by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

    I like 3D TV. Curved seems..... Pointless.

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  84. Re:They're worse for anything except up-close view by muffen · · Score: 1

    But does it really? What benefit do curved monitors give? I was told "the whole the screen is more evenly at the same distance from your eyes". But what I heard was "the screen is laid out in an unexpected and distorted way that screws with your brain".

    It absolutely makes sense. I bought one for my home-office (35" curved) and I always work in multiple windows simultaneously. The curved monitor has made this so much easier, I don't have to turn my head and feel I'm getting a better overview on the curved monitor.
    I can easily compare to the monitor in my office-office, which is a 32" flat monitor, I notice that I am not utilizing the full space of the monitor, and am turning my head a lot more.

    Obviously not a major thing, but I am appreciating the curved monitor, and wouldn't go back. As a TV on the other hand, I'd never get a curved screen.

  85. More expensive? Not what I've found. by theendlessnow · · Score: 1

    Curved screens can have absolutely horrible reflection. I know, I own one. But I also own one because it was CHEAPER than the flat version.

    I wouldn't buy a curved screen unless you plan to sit on a table (what I do) and you get an incredibly good deal on it (because of its curved weakness).

    While two years ago, it was true that curved screens carried a slight premium, people don't want them anymore, so I find them to be priced less. You can do a lot more things with a flat screen (e.g. better for wall mounting).

    YMMV (apparently)