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Will Streaming Media Lead To A Massive Writer's Strike? (latimes.com)

"A decade ago, Hollywood writers brought the entertainment industry to a standstill when they walked off the job for three months in a dispute over pay for movies and TV shows distributed online," writes the Los Angeles Times. But they're reporting that it may happen again, with the Writers Guild of America now seeking a strike authorization vote from its members. Streaming services like Netflix and Amazon have transformed Hollywood and contributed to an unprecedented number of quality series being produced -- a phenomenon often described as the new Golden Age of TV. But times haven't been golden for many writers for whom more is now less. Shorter seasons are the new norm, with many series consisting of 10 or fewer episodes on cable and streaming -- less than half the length of traditional seasons on network shows. That has put writers in a financial crunch since many have exclusivity clauses that prevent them from working on multiple shows per season...

"It's getting more and more difficult to make a living as a writer," said John Bowman, a TV writer-producer, and former head of the WGA negotiating committee. Studios are equally dug in as more customers cut the cable cord in favor of streaming options. They're also grappling with a dramatic fall-off in once-lucrative DVD sales and a flattening of attendance at the multiplex. They are releasing fewer titles a year, meaning fewer opportunities for screenwriters... Complicating matters is a lack of transparency. Streaming services operate on subscription models and don't release viewer data, making it difficult to devise a formula for residuals (fees for reruns).

Amazon is a member of the studio alliance, while Netflix "is expected to sign on to an eventual contract." (Though streaming also seems to be hurting the popularity of reruns, which is also reducing the residuals writers receive.) But underscoring the impact of online media, Slashdot reader JustAnotherOldGuy asks, "with all the alternative content available, does anyone care...? Would the writer's strike have any serious impact on your life?"

316 comments

  1. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I for one will drop my subscription to Amazon or Netflix if they try to bust the strike with crap.

    But I doubt most will so I'm looking forward to reading more since last time reality tv reigned for a decade

    1. Re:Well by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      bust the strike with crap

      I too thought at first that it said "steaming media"

    2. Re:Well by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Fat finger mod...

      I really don't remember any impact from the last strike, aside from the Starbucks on Douglas being busier...

    3. Re: Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i did not notice any effects either but heard about it at the time it got a bit of coverage. i guess you would get lower quality and perhaps new guys trying to get a chance though not going along with the strike may have career consequences. internally im sure it had a lot bigger ripple.

    4. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Did you happen to follow "Heroes" at that time?

    5. Re:Well by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      The biggest impact I noticed (other than general decline in quality) is the mid-season break. Apparently it's too much to expect tv show writers to write a full thing in one go these days.

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    6. Re:Well by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      the only one that got me was the canceling of las vegas on USA. I mean the main characters wife was in labor in an elevator on the season cliff hanger and it got cut due to the strike. Other than that though, yeah didnt really do much

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    7. Re:Well by newcastlejon · · Score: 1

      Did you happen to follow "Heroes" at that time?

      Yes, but given the usual standard of writing I didn't notice any change.

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    8. Re:Well by Rhipf · · Score: 1

      A couple of the big impacts was a massive increase in "reality" TV and the boom that "sports" received. Do you remember any televised poker or professional blackjack prior to the strike?

    9. Re:Well by gnick · · Score: 1

      I really don't remember any impact from the last strike, aside from the Starbucks on Douglas being busier...

      The last writer's strike gave us Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog. That was a win.

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    10. Re:Well by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      Where are those mod points when you need them? This deserves a funny.

    11. Re: Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a major impact. It tanked a lot of really good shows like the original Heros for example.

    12. Re: Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering the poor quality, lack of originality, cheap stunts, and recycled themes that we get from the majority of screen writers today I'm surprised they are getting much at all.

      It seems that for some networks it's more important to load up their shows with political propaganda than it is to tell a decent, original story.

      The only real skill I see in screen writing today is their ability to fool the viewers into thinking that they aren't getting the same thing over and over again.

      All they are doing is giving us a slightly different Paisley for the same old shirt. Now shirts don't change that much, but then again, how many people get excited about wearing a new shirt? It's the same with TV these days, people watch it more or of habit than for any hope of real enjoyment.

  2. Contract negotiation... by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, if you're a TV writer, why not negotiate a contract which takes into account the new reality of streaming and shorter seasons?

    What's the big deal? Business conditions change all the time in all sorts of industries and small businesses (which is what most writers should be if they're working via contract and for various rights) adjust to it.

    I mean, if they had some sort of big bureaucratic organization which they were forced to belong to and which controlled standard contract terms they might be screwed over while they waited and hoped for it to adjust to the new reality, but if they are free and work for themselves, then it's just business as usual.

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    1. Re:Contract negotiation... by sg_oneill · · Score: 5, Informative

      So, if you're a TV writer, why not negotiate a contract which takes into account the new reality of streaming and shorter seasons?

      What's the big deal? Business conditions change all the time in all sorts of industries and small businesses (which is what most writers should be if they're working via contract and for various rights) adjust to it.

      I mean, if they had some sort of big bureaucratic organization which they were forced to belong to and which controlled standard contract terms they might be screwed over while they waited and hoped for it to adjust to the new reality, but if they are free and work for themselves, then it's just business as usual.

      They are negotiating. Its called a strike.

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    2. Re:Contract negotiation... by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You're seeing a massive money shift as people vote with their expenditures, which have to slowly ripple through the thick layers of money and lawyers in Hollywood.

      I'm sad for writers that have negotiated bad contracts. A strike will not further their cause.

      Money now comes from a different source, the online hegemony. The medium has changed because the delivery system changed, because the old one was leaden and corrupt.

      I watched a nice NetFlix produced video tonight on my big screen, which is the place most people can afford to view one, Hollywood and the theater SYNDICATES having made the price of a night at the movies really expensive.

      Between Amazon and NetFlix I have most stuff I want to watch, and I didn't have to worry about screaming children, seats, or what the goo is on the seat. I didn't worry about a cable company-- most all of them are universally loathed-- and I could opt out for the same money as opt-ing in if I didn't like the video.

      So if you're a writer for TV, get out. You're sailing on a sinking ship.

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    3. Re:Contract negotiation... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Beat me to it.

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    4. Re:Contract negotiation... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1, Insightful

      They are negotiating. Its called a strike.

      I get you, but keep in mind that negotiating != striking.

      Many unions and their management counterparts succeed at negotiating new contracts without the union going on strike, or the management initiating a lockout.

      Mentioning the word "strike" in the headline is just clickbait.

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    5. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, if they don't strike, precisely how do they negotiate more money? The studios aren't just going to give them more money because they want and need it. They'll give the money to the writers if they're forced to because new content isn't being made.

    6. Re:Contract negotiation... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Really it is as classic as supply and demand.

      There has been a fantastic glut of entertainment for close to a decade now. It is no longer possible to keep up with the flood of entertainment.

      Likewise, there is a labor glut so generic writers can't make as much money.

      Part of this is because costs (including salaries) got too high too.

      If writers can't make $60,000 a year- I sympathize with them. I know the successful ones make a lot more.

      But too many people want to get into that field- driving down wages.

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    7. Re:Contract negotiation... by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 2

      The problem is that the money in Hollywood is pure finance dollars: maximize return and minimizing risk. This does not really contribute to "creative media."

      There are a lot of lemmings that are in it for creativity... but the commodity value is gone thanks to the long tail.

    8. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoosh....

    9. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      what a sad ignorant view of the world you have where you think a strike is the only way to negotiate. basically they are trying blackmail as an approach. This should be a last resort and is the scumbag tactics of unions. That isn't to say it can't sometimes be necessary, but a strike should be a last resort, if your talents are so irreplaceable then you have a bargaining chip and should be able to renegotiate based on your value to that organisation.

    10. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      like most of the fucking professional world does, you sit down and discuss your value with your boss or whoever is negotiating the contract and discuss tradeoffs and/or compensation based on what you are signing up too. If you can't do that then chances are your not really a quality profession or in a career with an abundance of replacements.

    11. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      strike is the opposite of negotiating, it is basically blackmail because they either refuse to negotiate or because the negotiations were unsuccessful.

    12. Re: Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck me. You act like the negotiating power of desperate workers is equal to multi-billion dollar corporations.

    13. Re:Contract negotiation... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 0

      I doubled my monthly take-home over the past 4 years without ever going on strike or changing the work I do. Striking is *far* from the only option.

    14. Re:Contract negotiation... by guises · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sad for writers that have negotiated bad contracts. A strike will not further their cause.

      You seem to be confused regarding who we're talking about here. The Writers Guild of America represents writers for all of TV / Film / Streaming / you name it - if it plays on a screen and it's not a video game, these are the people who write it. These are not people who are clinging to a doomed ship: all of that content which you are watching on Netflix, which you are implying is the future of the industry, that is them too.

      In fact, they seem to be agreeing with you that this is the future of the industry, or at least that it represents a large portion of that future, and are attempting to insure their place in it. I don't know if a strike will further their cause or not, strikes only take place after negotiations have broken down, but I certainly support the idea of good writing in the streaming future and I like the idea of writers who are able to support themselves in this way.

    15. Re:Contract negotiation... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      So, if they don't strike, precisely how do they negotiate more money?

      Hmmm, let me think, by making better fucking content and not being lazy cunts looking for something from the 80's that hasn't been rebooted yet.

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    16. Re:Contract negotiation... by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Strikes always seemed like a lousy negotiating tactic to me. I don't want to work with you, I want to shut you down if you don't pay me more. But I suppose the company needs to be reminded exactly how valuable their workers are from time to time. Still just rubs me the wrong way.

    17. Re:Contract negotiation... by argStyopa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A strike isn't a negotiation, it's a tactic to drive negotiation.

      And any sane person wouldn't START the process with a drastic, burn-the-bridges tactic like striking if their real intent was to come to a constructive solution. That's like discussing which side of the bed you sleep on with your partner by starting with "I want a divorce..."

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    18. Re:Contract negotiation... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I doubled my monthly take-home over the past 4 years without ever going on strike or changing the work I do. Striking is *far* from the only option.

      The plural of anecdote is not data, and you don't even have multiple anecdotes to offer.

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    19. Re:Contract negotiation... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suppose the company needs to be reminded exactly how valuable their workers are from time to time. Still just rubs me the wrong way.

      Yes, it rubs me the wrong way that the company needs to be reminded exactly how valuable their workers are from time to time, too. They should not need to be reminded, especially with such a drastic action. They should be thankful that the workers are there to help them profit, and they should offer them fair compensation for their work without them having to beg, plead... or strike.

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    20. Re:Contract negotiation... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      If writers can't make $60,000 a year- I sympathize with them.

      pfft I don't.

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    21. Re:Contract negotiation... by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      How did you do this though? Was there perhaps a suggestion that you could get more money elsewhere?

      Ultimately, the strongest card in the employee's negotiation is the threat to stop working for the employer. Unions do this collectively.

    22. Re:Contract negotiation... by 91degrees · · Score: 2

      You seem to be mixing up the job of writers and producers.

    23. Re:Contract negotiation... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Really? Thats the bullshit you are going to comment with - an attempt to use a tired old phrase to somehow devalue my opinion on the matter?

    24. Re:Contract negotiation... by Drethon · · Score: 1

      I suppose the company needs to be reminded exactly how valuable their workers are from time to time. Still just rubs me the wrong way.

      Yes, it rubs me the wrong way that the company needs to be reminded exactly how valuable their workers are from time to time, too. They should not need to be reminded, especially with such a drastic action. They should be thankful that the workers are there to help them profit, and they should offer them fair compensation for their work without them having to beg, plead... or strike.

      Not to mention I've basically used the same type of tactic myself. After years of raises below increase in living I got a job offer for a 10% pay increase, when I told my company they gave me 15% increase to stay. If only I could get this kind of thing done without the threat of not working.

    25. Re:Contract negotiation... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Really? Thats the bullshit you are going to comment with - an attempt to use a tired old phrase to somehow devalue my opinion on the matter?

      I'm not devaluing your opinion, because it had no value to begin with. It only applied to you, in your situation. It may well apply to others, but from where you're sitting, you don't know whether it applies to any given individual. For many people, there are no other options, because the company they work for is determined not to be fair. That you had other options is utterly and completely irrelevant to everyone else, and the world would have been better off if you had not bothered to share it because it adds nothing to the discussion and only confuses the issue.

      If you had told us anything about your situation, it might have helped someone. But all you did was say "I did it, so you can do it" which hey, guess what? Is a logical fallacy.

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    26. Re:Contract negotiation... by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2

      Nope, I simply did good work and got successive significant pay rises as a result. Never threatened to leave, never felt the need to job hunt. When I did hand my notice in, I actually left, no threats involved.

      I wouldn't ever work in a company where the only approach to employer-employee relations was the equivalent of a battlefield, with such weapons as threats and coercion being employed - and thats what you get with what you describe. If you aren't happy with your situation, striking and making threats isn't exactly going to improve matters overall, it simply fosters dissent and ill will on both sides.

      Ultimately, from my point of view, the strongest card in the employees negotiation is a good relationship with the employer, thats always done me well.

    27. Re:Contract negotiation... by Bruinwar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What never fails to amaze me is how people seem to think that a strike what their first option. This is the very last option when all other negotiations have failed.

      Talented writers are rare. If we want to enjoy good content, they need to paid well. Or we get shit, like most of the shit that gets produced.

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    28. Re:Contract negotiation... by Desler · · Score: 1

      Why do you falsely presume this was their first step and not a reaction to a breakdown in previous negotiations?

    29. Re:Contract negotiation... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Blaming streaming media for shorter seasons is fucking ridiculous. HBO has been doing seasons of shows that are only 10 or 11 episodes since like 2002.

      I guess those bastards at NetFlix invented a time machine and went back 15 years to convince HBO to do that?

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    30. Re:Contract negotiation... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Oh, so it's producers who write the shows and what happens? I guess the writers really do have a lot of influence and are more interested in making money out of it but it's the producers that put pen to paper to make it happen. Gotchya.

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    31. Re:Contract negotiation... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Guilds are a medieval device to constrict the availability of labor and thus raise prices. They're basically a way for a group of people to increase the amount of money coming to themselves at the expense of others. The basic ideal in a guild is that a certain product should be more-expensive so that guild members can be richer.

      Basically, TV writers are mad that apparently they're not worth as much. Maybe their TV series aren't drawing as much money because Netflix doesn't have big cable ads and doesn't charge as much, thus doesn't have the revenue. Maybe their TV series aren't drawing as much money because Amazon and Hulu are churning out tons of shovelware, and so have demanded 20% more writing, and 20% more writers showed up, and so they've spread their same resources thinner, and writer contracts have dropped by 20%. Maybe more than 20% more writers showed up, and the ones who won't take cheap contracts got passed over and are now pissy.

      It doesn't matter. What matters is the industry is now not paying high rates. Guilds used to actually know about all this and try to reframe their position from "driving higher prices" to "stabilizing the market" because we can surmise that, eventually, there will be fewer writers because writing pays less, so you'll go from 6 people writing 6 crapware streaming shows in spare time to one guy making a full-time career out of doing all six shows himself. Rates might bump back up a bit after that, but nowhere near what they'd be if the guilds had their way.

    32. Re:Contract negotiation... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Money comes from the same source: consumers. It comes through a different channel.

    33. Re:Contract negotiation... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      The demand for talented writers is rare. Most stuff is produced by formula today.

    34. Re:Contract negotiation... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      Data is the plural of anecdote. Do you not know what a survey is?

    35. Re:Contract negotiation... by cwatts · · Score: 5, Informative

      Adding to guises post...

      People are asking why the writers are "striking first" They arent. The WGA has been negotiating the deal with the producers since early March.

      ALSO, It's not that the contracts are 'bad'. A decade ago, when most of the last deal was hashed out, there was no original streaming content. The studios were circling the wagons against streaming, and netflix was still doing DVDs. A big negotiating point in tat strike was in fact DVD residuals Streaming was not ignored, it;s just that no one really knew how big it would get and what the side effects of it's proliferation might be. Studios wanted to pay zero residuals on "new media" and naturally the writers werent thrilled with this. So, after protracted negotiations, they struck for 14 weeks and eventually got some concessions. Ironically, the lack of new entertainment on TV was a HUGE boon for Netflix, who got a massive surge of subscribers which wall street didn't really8 notice til the strike was long over. but i digress.

      Now that streaming is huge, the writers are pretty glad they held out, but there are fresh issues- the new guys, Amazon, Netflix, etc. don't obey the traditional season paradigm. In the old days, when a writer was hired for ' a season' they got 30 (or whatever) shows out of the deal. Now, with their giant budgets and more elaborate shows, series like "walking Dead might have 16 (but often fewer) episodes per season. Because writers are often exclusive to the show, and they are paid 'per episode', many of them are making half as much. So its back to the table to negotiiate this and similar issues.

      The AMPTP is the body that reps the studios, networks and independent producers. They negotiate not only with writers, but with the DGA, SAG-AFTRA, IATSE, the AFM, etc. Suffice to say that they are some hard nosed old bastards. They have a rep for not budging and often, a strike is the only way to make something happen.

      By the way, when the writers went on strike in 2007, it was a huge dead weight on production in CA. On a film, lines in scripts get rewritten a little every day During the strike, many directors on already-running films did n ot want to cross picket lines by doing these small rewrites themselves. With writers on strije, there was no one to do it. So a lot of productions stalled, and some stopped altogether. This affects hundreds of thousands of industry workers all over the world.

      I was in the middle of a divorce and had just come off a lucrative 18 month job, a little movie about spartans in red capes. My ex's evil lawyer convinced a judge to award payments based on my employed income. I was out of work for about 6 months due to the strike- with the extra monthly whammy to the ex, plus my lawyers (I fired the one who allowed the preceding to happen) I got murdered during the last strike. If this one happens, it wont be as bad, but I don't thing its going to come to a strike.

      just my 2 cents.

      PS the ex and I get along fine these days, and the kid who was born during the strike is now 10! Yikes!

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    36. Re:Contract negotiation... by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      What never fails to amaze me is how people seem to think that a strike what their first option

      These are the same people that shut a freeway down during rush hour to make their point...

    37. Re:Contract negotiation... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      They don't have to pay their workers for the time they're on strike. Seems to me you could just replace them.

    38. Re:Contract negotiation... by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      the point was however if richard can do it, whats stopping others? The only thing i see stopping them is the union

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    39. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, you're not the arbiter of what others can post, or its value to the conversation. You speak only for yourself, thanks.

    40. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, I simply did good work and got successive significant pay rises as a result. Ultimately, from my point of view, the strongest card in the employees negotiation is a good relationship with the employer, thats always done me well.

      That's not the case in many large corporations. My son worked for such an outfit (one of the big DoD contractors), did really outstanding work in mostly 60-hour weeks and had excellent relationships with his bosses. They had pay freezes with exceptions for only the top performers; he was one of the very few who got the 2.5% "extraordinary" raises. He doubled his salary in two years - elsewhere. When he gave notice they wanted to keep him and offered to match his new 50% better salary(!) He told them he wasn't getting back on the 2.5% treadmill. Simply doing good work is a solution only at good companies. For others, unions and strikes are the only hope.

    41. Re:Contract negotiation... by verbatim · · Score: 4, Funny

      Our poor protagonist spends a lifetime acquiring wealth and power, finally wedding his beloved, and loses it because he didn't respect it. He then finds a group of new friends and sets out on a journey to find some kind of important thing and, along the way, fights many obstacles in order to protect that thing. Among them is a funny man who goes through comedic development and bumbles along with them, only to finally reveal that he only came with them for some initially misunderstood or accidental reason. The journey takes them to a strange foreign land, where they discover many new things, and they return with these new experiences. One of the newly found best friends dies along the way in a suitably tragic way, but is reborn as a wise and more powerful friend. They all face off against a final monster that tests everything they've experienced along the way. Finally, our protagonist reuintes with his wealh, power, and wife, and promises he will never give her up, will never let her down, and will never run around or desert her. And they all live happily ever after; except for the onces that don't.

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    42. Re:Contract negotiation... by Bruinwar · · Score: 1

      The demand for talented writers is rare. Most stuff is produced by formula today.

      Today?! This is nothing new, they've been making "stuff" by formula for decades. Most, if not all, is crap. A really good, imaginative writer, one that can make people laugh &/or cry is rare. Usually they have a short career. There is always demand for them. Just not necessarily compensation.

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    43. Re:Contract negotiation... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Did you check that against the standard beat sheet?

      Now you can't unsee it.

    44. Re:Contract negotiation... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Really? Thats the bullshit you are going to comment with - an attempt to use a tired old phrase to somehow devalue my opinion on the matter?

      Settle down. Drinkypoo isn't devaluing your opinion, just your experience on the matter.

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    45. Re:Contract negotiation... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      There's a large structure that goes around a good story. Introductions, build-ups, climaxes, resolutions, plot twists. They have to move in a certain way to make a piece entertaining.

      Someone designed a beat sheet to demonstrate effective emotional tone control in writing, and Hollywood took it as gospel. They have it clocked to five-minute intervals now, instead of just major structure.

      Of course all stories are conflict-resolution. The problem is now all the dance steps are painted on the floor and followed to precise meter.

    46. Re:Contract negotiation... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      What never fails to amaze me is how people seem to think that a strike what their first option. This is the very last option when all other negotiations have failed.

      Talented writers are rare. If we want to enjoy good content, they need to paid well. Or we get shit, like most of the shit that gets produced.

      Don't see where they're doing this as the first option. They could have been negotiating for some time, but that doesn't usually make a headline story: "Writers Negotiate for Better Wages" -- something to which we'd all simply say, "duh".

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    47. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What never fails to amaze me is how people seem to think that a strike what their first option.

      Sadly this is not always unfounded. I have seen strikes in public transportation that you could use to set your clock. Starting the moment the time frame set by the last agreement ended, with third party negotiators only joining talks weeks later. Of course that had the drawback that it was predictable enough to organize replacement personal and kill any impact the strike could have had.

    48. Re:Contract negotiation... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      the point was however if richard can do it, whats stopping others? The only thing i see stopping them is the union

      Who knows? Talent perhaps. Human tendency to inertia, Enoufh for shit reality programs that don't need much more than an outline.

      Anyhow, I too made may way more successfully than a lot of folks in my profession. I'm pretty good, I'm aggressive, I'm self actuated, and I'm not afraid of change. And that's a really small subset of humanity.

      They are stopping themselves - I don't consider that their fault, they are just typical humans.

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    49. Re:Contract negotiation... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Nope, I simply did good work and got successive significant pay rises as a result. Never threatened to leave, never felt the need to job hunt. When I did hand my notice in, I actually left, no threats involved.

      Yeah, I pretty much did the same. I was paid much more than my co-workers, because I was worth much more. But let's face it - how many people are going to do that?

      I get my chops busted around here for working more than 40 hours a week, and being driven, and being willing to go the extra mile. I think I get the same endorphin buzz when solving a problem that some folks to from drugs. Maybe you do as well. But those folks outlook is much more typical than yours or mine.

      That's why people like us are widely hated by many other workers. We make them look bad. It also doesn't fit into their worldview.

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    50. Re:Contract negotiation... by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      No. The writers write the shows. The producers produce the shows. The producer's job includes defining what the series actually is. What it's called, what it's about, who the main characters are. The writers write down the actual words the actors say.

      If a writer doesn't want to write an episode of a TV show then they have that choice, of course, but they'll end up being paid nothing at all. If they're writing an episode of, say, the new Twin Peaks series, they can't decide to write an episode of a completely different show with a completely different premise.

    51. Re:Contract negotiation... by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      TIL that the WGA and the BLM are the same movement. Wake up sheeple!

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    52. Re:Contract negotiation... by clovis · · Score: 1

      They don't have to pay their workers for the time they're on strike. Seems to me you could just replace them.

      Are we still talking about writers here?
      I suspect that using an outsourcing company to bring in a bunch of H1b workers to replace Hollywood show writers is not going to go well. But it would explain what happened to the endind of the show "Lost",
      Anyway, there's a bunch of unsettled federal law that gets in the way of replacing striking workers - a boon for lawyers and no one else.

    53. Re:Contract negotiation... by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Or on the other hand they write their shows then take it around and try to sell it. In your case if they are being paid to write a show then they need to shut the fuck up and get on with it because that's how jobs work.

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    54. Re:Contract negotiation... by porges · · Score: 1

      Nope, I simply did good work and got successive significant pay rises as a result. Never threatened to leave, never felt the need to job hunt. When I did hand my notice in, I actually left, no threats involved.

      You never explicitly threatened to leave, no. (And you seem to have a very strong reaction to the word "threat" here.) But...come on. The only reason employers pay anyone at all is because if they don't, you won't work for them. And I'm sure, they love the fact that you seem to think that holding out the prospect of not working for them is morally offensive.

      More generally: what you're describing is the fact that you were able to get a large enough piece of the pie that they allocate for salaries. Your "opponent", in this case, was your co-workers. Strikes, generally, are about getting management to make the pie bigger. The writers aren't striking so that Aaron Sorkin or whoever can get a better deal; they're striking so that all the writers get more money when a series gets sold to Netflix.

    55. Re:Contract negotiation... by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      Or on the other hand they write their shows then take it around and try to sell it

      The story is not about such writers. It's about the unionised contractors negotiating for more favourable terms; because this is how this particular job works.

    56. Re:Contract negotiation... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      They don't have to pay their workers for the time they're on strike. Seems to me you could just replace them.

      Are we still talking about writers here?

      I suspect that using an outsourcing company to bring in a bunch of H1bs workers to replace Hollywood show writers is not going to go well. But it would explain what happened to the endind of the show "Lost",

      Anyway, there's a bunch of unsettled federal law that gets in the way of replacing striking workers - a boon for lawyers and no one else.

      Oh God NO!!!

      Last time they did this crap, we ended up with "reality tv"....if we bring in H1B, we'll have fscking "Bollywood" TV in the USA?!?!?

      Oh, the humanities!!!

      ;)

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    57. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct, it is anecdata, to which many in this world seem assign more value than actual data.

    58. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if you're a writer for TV, get out. You're sailing on a sinking ship.

      Do you realize that most of the writers for streaming shows came from the networks or Hollywood, right? It's not an entirely different career path. They sign for the jobs that are available.

      The problem is that everyone puts the same bullshit terms in their contacts. If you don't like the exclusivity clause, you can take your skills and apply to Starbucks.

      The strike aims to fix an industry-wide problem.

      (AC because of moderation elsewhere in the thread)

    59. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      relations was the equivalent of a battlefield

      So many people seem to want this.

    60. Re:Contract negotiation... by ravenshrike · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Nah, the problem is that primarily in order to get higher base wage rates per episode/weekly across the board, the unions fucked themselves over with exclusivity contracts that don't allow writers to work for more than one show at once. With shorter seasons they're making 1/2-2/3s of what they were making when the contracts were designed. Course, had they been paying attention to the internet and the pattern emergin in HBO et al, they would have known that was a bad idea, but I digress.

    61. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Usually skilled labor (the ones who have a talent that is paid for, not the sweat of their brow) doesn't need to strike. The problem with the Writer's Guild isn't their salary, or that they are getting paid less than X or Y. The problem is, the Writer's Guild sees more money potential from streaming, because god knows, every time something is broadcast they deserve money. This isn't about a group of workers being exploited.

      This is about a group of people who are greedy. Your comments are irrelevant, and in the realm of skilled labor, YOU are the one committing a logical fallacy, not the parent.

    62. Re:Contract negotiation... by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Nope.

      There is a strong cadre of freelancers out there, and a lot of llc/llp/sub-s writers doing quite well. It's NOT this or Starbucks.

      A strike is a very foolish idea. Good luck with that.

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    63. Re:Contract negotiation... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      There are a bunch of people walking around with screenplays in LA trying to get "discovered". We just don't have enough consumers--rather, we try to get close to 100% of consumers looking at individual things, and consume as much of their time as possible.

      If we could produce 1 TV show that people spent their 8 hours of not-sleeping, not-working time watching, we could pipeline ads and product placements down the work of one writer, a small set of actors, and one small team of directors and producers. As it stands, people insist on having diverse interests, and other studios insist on competing for those interests in an attempt to make money, so we have a lot of TV shows.

      That doesn't even count independent films, YouTube series, Twitch, or whatnot.

    64. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you don't think the union members / writers know that striking is a last-resort condition? Or that the union has better tools to work with that maybe they've used first?

      Then again, you're a special snowflake so valuable where you are that you can individually renegotiate your personal position, or in demand enough that others take you on.

      But this isn't about INDIVIDUALS, it's about an INDUSTRY. And obviously you don't care enough about your coworkers in the same position to stand with them - you'll desert the ship first, which says a lot about how much of a team player you are.

    65. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drinkypoo devalues anything not aligning with his preconceived notions.

    66. Re:Contract negotiation... by aicrules · · Score: 1

      His opinion represents the primary method of upward mobility for ALL non-union workers. Considering there are about 15 million union workers in the USA compared to the total work force of 123 million, I'd say his opinion carries significant value.

    67. Re:Contract negotiation... by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      > The Writers Guild of America represents writers for all of TV / Film / Streaming / you name it - if it plays on a screen and it's not a video game, these are the people who write it

      Really? Including things like the BBC's Sherlock, or Doctor Who, or Downton Abbey or a dozen other shows that have gotten quite popular from "across the pond"?

      Do tell..

    68. Re:Contract negotiation... by lgw · · Score: 1

      Or, you know, the company could just fire all the strikers and start over with people who actually want the job.

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    69. Re:Contract negotiation... by Drethon · · Score: 1

      They don't have to pay their workers for the time they're on strike. Seems to me you could just replace them.

      That did happen to the engineering technicians at a company my dad worked at one time.

    70. Re:Contract negotiation... by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      Writers in the UK and other markets deal with shorter or nearly nonexistent "seasons" - Sherlock is a prime example. Not sure 3 episodes qualifies as a season but that's how they roll...

    71. Re:Contract negotiation... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Are you a screenwriter? Just because things work that way in your industry and region doesn't mean they work that way everywhere.

      I mean, we all know how companies are desperately trying to hire even mediocre workers, right? It's practically impossible to not get a decent job; even casually mentioning a hobby to a stranger on the street can net you a job offer. So why are there unemployed people? Because what I said only applies to IT workers in Karlsruhe, Germany, and most people don't fall into that category.

      I'd wager that the screenwriting industry is rather unlike yours. For instance, you're probably not paid on a unit-of-work basis with a hard limit on how many projects you can do per year and ever-shrinking project lengths.

      It's not like the writers are making less in terms of studio accounting. They get paid the same amount of money per episode as before. It's just that a few years ago they got paid for 20+ episodes and now they get 10 and their contracts often forbid simply working on two or more shows per season. From the producers' perspective everything is hunky-dory; they still produce vaguely the same amount of content (spread out over more shows) and pay vaguely the same amount of money to writers per season.

      From an individual writer's perspective they're getting paid much less per season. I can see how they might want to take action there.

      Also remember that the entertainment industry is rather famous for its use of creative accounting to keep royalty payments low. These people are not exactly known to be generous when it comes to monetary compensation.

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    72. Re:Contract negotiation... by tepples · · Score: 1

      The problem is now all the dance steps are painted on the floor and followed to precise meter.

      Then how much do they have to pay Konami to license the Dance Dance Revolution patents?

      (Background: Konami v. Roxor)

    73. Re:Contract negotiation... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      because it had no value to begin with

      I disagree. Ergo, you are wrong.

    74. Re:Contract negotiation... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Nice. More coherently presented information in one post than I've seen in a long time. Well done.

    75. Re:Contract negotiation... by sodul · · Score: 1

      I second that, I have seen first hand that getting a promotion or not be part of layoffs has more to do with your political connections than merit at large corporations. In smaller shops, where everybody knows everybody, I found this to be less common, but still present if the top leadership has poor ethics.

    76. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have been negotiating a deal since early march? WTF so you are basically saying STRIKE was there first option, that is just sad. hope the WGA gets there members screwed over this, 4 weeks is nothing.

    77. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mean, if they had some sort of big bureaucratic organization which they were forced to belong to and which controlled standard contract terms they might be screwed over while they waited and hoped for it to adjust to the new reality, but if they are free and work for themselves, then it's just business as usual.

      "but you volunteered, don't you remember?" -- spook to Jason Bourne

      There is a "big bureaucratic organization" and it is called the federal reserve system. Notes are commerce. Commerce is international.

      Congress making "federal reserve notes" the legal tender yanked everyone out of the constitution and common law (law of the land, literally: people come from the land, as the "bible" states, as does gold/silver; you mine it, it is yours, unencumbered. you used to be able to coin it for free (make it legal tender) as well)

      Besides that century-long satanic move by "congress" (now incorporated) there are perhaps 1% of 3000+ unincorporated common law county courts still operating......they essentially all "federalized" and by circa 1960s they had all incorporated for "federal revenue sharing"

      "checks" and "credit cards" are not "legal tender" (in other words, they are optional, bartering, theoretically "cashable" for "federal reserve notes") ...but they too are commerce.

      "the new reality" is simply a return to feudalism, everyone a tenant of the "banks", the politicians mortgaging the entire nation and "loaning" everyone's money back to them (with "banks" as intermediary)

      "free and work for themselves" only occurs with gold and silver coin (constitutional money, specie). how many "employers" offer that? congress essentially said that is outlawed.

      everyone has been essentially a "citizen" and "public"/"government" employee/volunteer for quite some time..........the "private" federal reserve essentially destroyed the "private" sector, yanked everyone into international "commerce" out of their private status of common law and natural rights.

      and, again, there are precious few courts remaining at present. so not only do you have to fight "congress" and their unconstitutional "legal tender" "law" ...even if you manage that, who will enforce the actual law of the land?

      present situation is "the feds" will not fund the unincorporated common law county courts, so "americans" are on their own. such is partially why they are in disarray.

      AFAICS, the only way out of "congress" is to take back your power of attorney. lookup "constitution" and "constituent" in a law dictionary and you will see these are legal terms. it is essentially power of attorney arrangement, whereby "the people" grant to "representatives" the power to represent them. so, you can always tae back your power of attorney and "represent yourself". then, their unconsitutional "laws" would not apply. but, there are little to no courts left to enforce your "private american" status.

      for anyone to "negotiate a contract" they essentially have to represent themselves, otherwise "congress" has decided you want federal reserve notes and to be robbed 1/20 of your american silver dollar. (going into the pockets of the bankers). congress already decided you wanted to mortgage your property, your head, your body, (you are "human capital"), your children, their children, all your lifetime earnings, etc. this too is illegal "he is property is at risk should receive the benefits thereof" -- MAXIM of law.

      it basically means your neighbor mortgaged your house (known as hypothecation, they don't necessarily need your consent), and has been "loaning" that money back to you, and making you work for it. you are the security, the chattel, the slave, the serf, the vassal. in this case, your "neighbor" is "congress" and they claim when you gave them power of attorney that as your "representatives" you gave them permission to do this (nevermind it is breaking the law)

      i have no problem with "free market

    78. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they strike, they get NO money. There's plenty of content to watch.

    79. Re:Contract negotiation... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Falsely?

      "A strike authorization vote is set to take place mid-April. The move is a typical negotiating tactic by unions, but the WGA said itâ(TM)s a response to the hard-line position taken by the studios, which have so far refused most of their demands.

      âoeNo one on the board or committee wants a strike,â Chris Keyser, co-chairman of the guildâ(TM)s negotiating committee, said in an interview. âoeUnfortunately, the only way to be treated reasonably is to bring to bear the power of labor.â

      He disputed claims made by the studios that the WGA was the first to break off talks, adding that negotiations ended last week after the studios left a voicemail telling writers not to come in the next day. âoeWe didnâ(TM)t walk away,â he said."

      So if the contracts with the studios are so onerous, and all the money's in streaming....don't work for the studios? Sounds like a win-win if the situation is as dire as presented.

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    80. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you're asking, "why not negotiate individually, from a position of weakness, instead of collectively, from a position of strength."

      This is a perfect illustration of why the American worker, coal miners et al., are so screwed. The delightful mental image of the Rugged Individualist, to which so many are devoted, and which is so promoted by the Corporate Overlords, makes them resist collective negotiation.

      Combine this with Protestant prosperity ideology, which spreads the myth of virtue being tied to wealth, and there is a forelock-tugging tendency to defer to their "betters."

      And then they're upset by bad times! And vow to punish their enemies, whom they think are those poorer than themselves.

    81. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hold on, don't be so quick to judge. Is this person a writer? I'm curious...

    82. Re:Contract negotiation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think there's only a subset of the audience that like these types of movies. I've seen much-praised movies like Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, and The Force Awakens and thought all of them were boring or awful.

      The actual good movies I've seen were Kingsman and Fury Road.

      (I'm glad that article calls out J.J. Abrams because he's the worst director I've ever seen.)

  3. Huh? by s.petry · · Score: 5, Funny

    You mean to tell me they were not already on strike? Nothing but remakes, over, and over and over again.

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    1. Re:Huh? by kamapuaa · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Maybe you should start watching something besides superhero movies.

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    2. Re:Huh? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Movies with original content are few and far between. I just saw commercials for remakes of The Mummy and then King Arthur tonight.

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    3. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, Game of Thones, The Expanse and a whole lot more of book adaptations rather than original content?

    4. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The one for The Mummy is actually a reboot of a "Universal Monsters" movie universe, where they're going to have a whole bunch of rehashed monsters such as Frankenstein's Monster, Dracula, Wolf Man, Jekyll/Hyde and a few others.

    5. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to Wikipedia, here's the top 10 grossing films from last year:

      Captain America: Civil War
      Rogue One: A Star Wars Story
      Finding Dory
      Zootopia
      The Jungle Book
      The Secret Life of Pets
      Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
      Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them
      Deadpool
      Suicide Squad

      By my count, that's 4 comic book superhero adaptations, 1 book adaptation, 1 remake (of another remake, originally a book adaptation), 2 sequel/prequels of existing franchises, and only 2 original creations. Both of the original creations are family oriented animated films. It's easy to see why people are jaded over the lack of original content.

    6. Re: Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, s.petry just hasn't realized that Archie Bunker is a tragic character.

    7. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the remakes suck on their own merits. At least, Ghost in the Shell did. I won't give details because it is still to early to put spoilers online. But if you are a Ghost in the Shell fan, you will hate the movie. And if you are not a Ghost in the Shell fan, you will think the movie is weird and stupid for no reason.

      Most of the superhero movies have started to suck, too. Avengers was awesome, Avengers 2 (and everything that came after it) sucked. Batman v Superman was a joke, and the new Justice League looks like it is more of the same crap. I have my hopes up for Guardians of the Galaxy 2, but that's about it.

    8. Re:Huh? by negRo_slim · · Score: 2

      One would think that would do well in today's politically correct and forcibly inclusive world.

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    9. Re: Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you just accidentally set your Television to RetroTV.

      For six years.

    10. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or it could be because you aren't famous enough to have a movie made of your autobiography.

    11. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's easy to see why people are jaded over the lack of original content.

      Nope. A quick check shows me well over 150 films released in theaters last year.

      Making your review of less than 10 points to be...dubious at best, in terms of sampling.

      All I'm taking from your information is that all of that is stuff people liked enough to pay to see.

      If they don't like something, they should go watch something else.

    12. Re:Huh? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So it's not a rehash of one but of the other? Oh that makes all the difference, it's so new and genuine now!

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    13. Re:Huh? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      That's even worse, dear god not another "fiction universe" movie (or more likely: series of movies). So we'll probably see reboots of all these characters followed by the inevitable "league" and "versus" stories. And crossovers with the DC and Marvel universes perhaps? Sounds like at least a decade of shit entertainment.

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    14. Re:Huh? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      I'd call book adaptations "original content" as well. Original to the screen is good enough for me

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    15. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      those "pounded in the butt" books are last week's news. by the time you recognize a trend, it's too late to capitalize on it.

    16. Re:Huh? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Well does he want to be a "Paperback Writer"?

    17. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the tit-rattling fatcats should stop demanding that writers dumb things down for people who in any other era would be part of the castrated slave class.

    18. Re:Huh? by Alumoi · · Score: 1

      Such as? Come on, don't be greedy, share the knowledge.

    19. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're talking quality here, not revenue.

    20. Re:Huh? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'd call book adaptations "original content" as well. Original to the screen is good enough for me

      Sure, me too. The problem is that they are making more remakes of older movies which don't need to be made than they are making adaptations of books which have not yet been adapted. And of course the fault lies with just two groups: The people paying for movies to be made, and the writers. In TV, it's typical to have a pilot already written when you sell an idea. And in movies, it's typical to already have a script. So what writers are overwhelmingly trying to sell to studios is just stupid rehashes. And they want to complain that their business model is failing? Hey, writers, how's about you stop writing more of the same old schlock that people don't want to see?

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    21. Re:Huh? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      I've written a script based on a true story of a faggot going on a rampage on drilling other mans anus. It's a good script but nobody wants to buy it. Damn political correctness!

      Make the main guy a minority and you're set.

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    22. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Movies with original content are few and far between. I just saw commercials for remakes of The Mummy and then King Arthur tonight.

      That's bullshit. Try opening your eyes and not just accept the first generic shit Hollywood churns out.

    23. Re:Huh? by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, they were the top 10 grossing films from last year. Clearly there is a market for superhero adaptations, book adaptations, remakes of remakes, and sequels / prequels.

      Your comment amounts to bitching about Hollywood following the money. If people didn't pay to see these things, they wouldn't spend hundreds of millions to film them.

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    24. Re: Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So another in a long line of gay porn remakes. Yawn.

    25. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since BadAnalogyGuy has been AWOL, I'll take a stab at this...

      Imagine a town where the only restaurants were McDonalds, Taco Bell, and White Castle.

      Saying that those movies were the top grossing movies is sort of like saying that McDonalds was the top grossing restaurant and therefore is good.

    26. Re:Huh? by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. Well, get ready for another one because Kong is now in the same universe as Godzilla and his pantheon of baddies. So get ready for that schlockfest.

    27. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Movies with original content are few and far between.

      Has that irrelevant fact ever been any different? Pick a year, any year from movie history. Most of the movies made that year were crap.

      Remakes and other boring stuff are irrelevant. What's relevant is the good stuff, and you have to compare 2017's good stuff to (for example) 2007's or 1997's good stuff. Ignore the crap, because it only tells you about things that you DON'T CARE about! You are studying the wrong thing.

      So, are things getting better or worse? Fuck if I know; I haven't measured it. ;-) But if you can't find anything good, seriously: you aren't trying. It's just like music. If you don't research, you miss out.

      BTW...

      I just saw commercials

      That you still see commercials, is an indicator that you might not be acquiring things right, and are instead, being guided by someone to whom quality is not a factor.

    28. Re:Huh? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      You are correct, very bad analogy. Those ten movies (as pointed out by another commenter noting 150) are *not* the only movies in town. If you're attempting to say all 150 movies are terrible, you'll have to do a lot more than a shallow analogy.

    29. Re:Huh? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      "Quality"... What a wonderfully vague and totally subjective word that is. "Revenue"... Not much so.

    30. Re:Huh? by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      I thought Chuck Tingle was ebook only?

    31. Re:Huh? by phorm · · Score: 1

      The movies are pretty predictable (Logan was good, though), but the *series* available on Netflix etc (Luke Cage, DareDevil, Jessica Jones) are pretty awesome. IMHO stuff based on long-running comics is often better suited for a series of episodes rather than a single movie anyhow.

    32. Re:Huh? by neoRUR · · Score: 1

      Are they going to Reboot Abbot and Costello also?

    33. Re:Huh? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      I never understood the DC and Marvel purchases. Sure they paid billions and got to make shitty movies using the existing characters, but how much less would they have made with their own characters? I suspect that the use of well-known preexisting characters probably didn't add enough to make the purchase worthwhile.

      I will disagree and go so far as to say that I'm surprised it didn't happen earlier. The comic book industry is basically a self supporting business that creates some where around 200+* movies worth of stories with associated storyboards and then is able to run them past test audiences to see which ones are actually good, and gain traction. Not only are they able to go with proven storylines, but also with built in audience of fans. This has been going on for quite some time now, surprisingly starting with the independent comics with movies like rocketeer, Mystery Men, Mask, Road to Perdition, American Splendor, Scott Pilgrim, Hellboy, and pretty much everything ever written and also owned by Frank Miller or Mark Millar. They are not just paying for the characters, but also a great deal for the proven stories.

      *IIRC DC is running 52 titles at 12 issues a title per year where a movie typically translates into three issues.

    34. Re:Huh? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There's a lot of difference between a series of comic books and a superhero movie, also, so I'd consider them as original content.

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  4. no by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    it won't be massive. it won't be streaming media's fault. there will be a short strike since some writers spent all their savings already.

  5. "Golden Age of TV"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is this a joke? Never before has TV been such utter trash as it is now.

    1. Re: "Golden Age of TV"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised at this. TV is great!!

        Those nerds on Big Bang Theory are awesome. Especially that "bazinga" guy. Can't wait for the next two seasons. That Penny chick is sooo hawt. :-P

    2. Re:"Golden Age of TV"?! by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      If the writers generate content that people want, there would be no need for a "strike".

      Currently, they seem to be generating a large quantity of dung.

    3. Re: "Golden Age of TV"?! by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not really.. It's a show designed to make people who made fun of nerds in highschool laugh.

    4. Re:"Golden Age of TV"?! by Imrik · · Score: 1

      They're including streamed shows as TV.

    5. Re: "Golden Age of TV"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not. Have you even watched it?

      Kinda hard to agree on "good TV" if you don't understand TV shows in the first place.

    6. Re: "Golden Age of TV"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no it is really the opposite. Tends to really poke fun at those that did laugh at nerds while also letting the nerds laugh at themselves. I can take it or leave it, not the best but not the worst crap ever made.

    7. Re: "Golden Age of TV"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That Penny chick was...10 years ago.

    8. Re: "Golden Age of TV"?! by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      no it is really the opposite. Tends to really poke fun at those that did laugh at nerds while also letting the nerds laugh at themselves. I can take it or leave it, not the best but not the worst crap ever made.

      Maybe it started like that but now it's just another sitcom since they paired them all off and it all became about relationships.

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    9. Re: "Golden Age of TV"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah whatever, like you wouldn't still try to knock the bottom off of her given the chance.

      You're full of shit.

    10. Re:"Golden Age of TV"?! by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're acting like the writers get final say in what is filmed and eventually broadcast. And you are acting like the entertainment industry is a merit-driven business.

      Both of these are false assumptions.

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    11. Re: "Golden Age of TV"?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      woosh

  6. Golden age? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 'Golden Age' is starting to peter out - the quality just isn't there with a lot of newer series. Eventually Netflix et.al. will be indistinguishable from traditional cable channels, but with a unique problem those networks never had, and ironically it's because streaming is not within the boundaries of a time frame: there will just be such a glut of shows, no one could possibly hope to watch all or even most of them. It's going to be the same scenario all over again.

    1. Re:Golden age? by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      The golden age of TV was the first few decades of its life. Interactive games and the internet are killing it off.

    2. Re:Golden age? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There has never been a golden age. It's just old people reminiscing about their favorite shows, while ignoring the utter dreck served up at the same time. The medium itself is dying. Only retards and retired people are prepared to sit and watch broadcasts on the schedule of someone else. The world has moved on, TV has not so much.

  7. dual speed super fast Wi-Fi signals by najajomo · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    "Super Wi-Fi signals generally won't be as fast as regular Wi-Fi signals"

    Is this slashdot, the slashdot, the technology site, do explain how regular Wi-Fi and Super Wi-Fi signals travel at different speeds through the same medium.

    1. Re:dual speed super fast Wi-Fi signals by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      "Super Wi-Fi signals generally won't be as fast as regular Wi-Fi signals" Is this slashdot, the slashdot, the technology site, do explain how regular Wi-Fi and Super Wi-Fi signals travel at different speeds through the same medium.

      Because one has a higher bps than the other? Are you moaning about an ad or something?

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  8. A decade ago... by yodleboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A decade ago, I quit watching House MD and various other shows impacted by the strike when they stopped mid season. By the time they came back, I had moved on and didn't care anymore. For big shows, the risk is probably minimal, but for the niche stuff this can be a killer.

    1. Re:A decade ago... by yodleboy · · Score: 2

      Replying to myself because I hit submit too fast.

      Can these writers be that surprised that it's getting harder to make a living when much of the industry has a fear of anything original? Den Of Geek lists 120(!) movie remakes or reboots currently in progress (as of 3/15/2017). TV seems to be less paralyzed, but they can afford to throw shows out and see what catches.

      Those 120 remakes... http://www.denofgeek.com/us/mo...

    2. Re:A decade ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      2007 writers strike started the unplug movement.
      If they try it again in 2017, it will definitely end the unplug movement -- by causing everyone to unplug and switch to streaming-only.

    3. Re:A decade ago... by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You seem to be blaming the writers for the stream of remakes and copies. Why? Surely, it's the producers and buyers who control what gets written?

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    4. Re:A decade ago... by yodleboy · · Score: 1

      Not sure how you read that into my post. The entertainment industry is obsessed with remakes and reboots. When you are just massaging someone else's story, how many writers do you need? Rather than jump on the tired old 'internet is taking our jobs' bandwagon, the writers should be demanding producers and buyers start greenlighting original works. How shocking can it be when the industry has been heading this direction for years? Like any other field, if you have too many people and not enough demand, either wages tank, or people lose jobs.

    5. Re:A decade ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't miss anything. House ordered a lumbar puncture, which is rarely used in real life, but used in every House episode. The team disagrees with House. Someone lives. House gloats.

      Pretty much covers it.

    6. Re:A decade ago... by rtb61 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Why not. Any half way mature writer should know, 'they made me do it', is the excuse of a child. Face it, the internet is opening up content competition to a much broader field. Even bad amateurs can produce good work sometimes. The biggest threat to writers, the creators of canned content is interactive content, it sucks in huge amounts of end users time and cuts out canned content. Most of my time viewing idiot box content is as background to interactive internet content. I struggle to watch retreads on their own, they simply are not that interesting or good.

      So canned content writers are competing for fewer spaces in the market and that is with many more writers entering the market. Try self publishing, modern computer animation, combining graphic artists with writers to cut out all the middle men (those useless products of nepotism creating crap retreads).

      The reality is, if you do not self publish, then you will be screwed over by the publishers and that is that. Now take into account securing writers from all over the globe to supply content to all over the globe and face it content creators working for publishers are fucked. They will squeeze you dry, blame it on pirates and toss you out (every now and again trotting you out on camera to cry about people who infringe copyright, reality is, it is the publishers who are the pirates, raping and pillaging content creators).

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    7. Re: A decade ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah one of the shows GREATLY impacted was the series Heroes! They were set for another season,,but the writer's strike caused a delay and by the time they had settled, people had moved on, leading to the series being cancelled. It would come back 10 years later (Heroes Reborn) but never had the momentum it did during it's original run.

    8. Re:A decade ago... by locater16 · · Score: 1

      This is correct, though really I can't blame them. When a shot for shot remake of Beauty and the Beast makes a billion dollars while a new movie has just as much chance to fail as make half that it's not a hard decision. The mass population wants the same exact thing over and over and over again without the slightest surprise, and if they're willing to fork over the dough for who it who's going to argue?

    9. Re:A decade ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed the whole attempted murder, jail time and faking death stuff.

    10. Re:A decade ago... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      But that's the point isn't it? They're not forking over the dough anymore. I looked at the previews for Beauty and the Beast and passed. That's me, the wife and 5 grandkids that would have gone probably but it's not a little kid's movie anymore. I don't know what in Hell is wrong with Disney. We did love Moana though. Hell, I could watch it again.

    11. Re:A decade ago... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think it'd be suicide to do it now. The sliding away will become an avalanche. There's just too many options.

    12. Re:A decade ago... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      After the first couple of years I dropped out on House. What you described is pretty much how it often seemed.

    13. Re:A decade ago... by SlithyMagister · · Score: 1

      ... the writers should be demanding producers and buyers start greenlighting original works. .

      I suspect that a large part of the problem is that worthy original works are very, very few.

      In order to keep the theatres filled, something has to be written -- hence the remakes, reboots, prequels, sequels etc.
      <sigh>

    14. Re:A decade ago... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Actually, it's the same problem as we have with video games. New ideas are a risk. People may or may not like it. But with every movie (and game) being a multi million dollar wager, you want to bet on the safe side. So what would you fund? A new movie format that may or may not sit well with your target audience or the remake of a story that already drew masses to the movies 20 years ago? A new game style nobody tried before or the same game that already sold well last year with a new year date next to its franchise title?

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    15. Re: A decade ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL, absolute HORSESHIT, Heroes got cancelled because of the bucket of shit the writers produced meant no one wanted to watch it anymore. you could have had no break and it was still DEAD.

    16. Re: A decade ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what the fuck planet are you from? the demise of Heroes is well documented and was directly related to everything after season one being a god damn awful train wreck of how NOT to write a show.

    17. Re:A decade ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's high time big businesses are forced to take massive financial risks. They can most certainly afford it with the literal billions they rake in on an annual basis, under threat of fines and closure. Force them to innovate or send them straight to the trash heap.

    18. Re:A decade ago... by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Self-publishing is a very risky proposition. You have to put in all of the work up front and you have no idea if you're going to see a dime of returns on it. Like any other business, if you're successful you can do well but if you're not, you often lose everything.

      At least when you're selling out, you're guaranteed a paycheck even if its somewhat less than your real potential is worth. That's important to a lot of people. Not everyone is willing to fall on the "risk" side of the risk-vs-reward dichotomy.

      Never mind the fact that writing is only one aspect of a production. Unless you're writing purely in vlog style, you're going to have to come up with actors and sound techs and set designers and directors and producers and all those other people you see in the credits with weird job titles. Some writers may be able to handle all of that themselves but I imagine that's not the majority, at least not if they want it all done well.

      Not that I disagree that the publishers are often pretty scummy to their "employees." But they do provide some benefit as well. If they didn't, the world would have stopped bothering with them years or even decades ago.

    19. Re:A decade ago... by locater16 · · Score: 1

      I just said it made a billion dollars. Disney don't give a fuuuuuuuuck whether you went. Live action Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, and Aladdin were probably all greenlit this past week with shouts of "I don't care who the hell the 'director' or whatever it is does it, just get it done!" Hell they're probably already planning live action Tangled, Frozen, Brave, and screw it Pocahontas too cause why not.

    20. Re:A decade ago... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Buyers? Just what is it i buy on free to air TV and a massively lumped and over sold cable contract?

    21. Re:A decade ago... by thogard · · Score: 1

      There is too much new original content. The problem is if anyone make any of the new original content, someone else will come out of the woodwork and say they wrote that story with a few details that are different, sue for copyright violation and win.

      That is why everything is a remake. They have to have a very long paper trail showing that anything made is simply a derivative work of something they already have rights to. It a problem of Hollywoods own making as they extended the copyright.

    22. Re:A decade ago... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The problem is if anyone make any of the new original content, someone else will come out of the woodwork and say they wrote that story with a few details that are different, sue for copyright violation and win.
      That is why everything is a remake.

      Now explain why they are remaking old television shows and old movies instead of making newer books into movies, because that offers the same kind of protection and that at least would be an improvement. Why haven't any of Stephenson's books been made into movies, for example?

      I think you are completely wrong, and I think the real answer is that they don't want to adapt anything until the author is dead, so that they can ignore his vision.

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    23. Re:A decade ago... by utahjazz · · Score: 2

      Writers aren't constrained by the number of remakes, they are constrained by the amount of original work. Network TV and Hollywood could be all remakes, there would still be more original content on Netflix+Amazon+HBO+Showtime+CC+Indy Film Etc than there ever was when there was just 3 tv networks and a couple movie studios. No, writers are only constrained by the number of writer slots in the city, which is increased by 2 when you build the Writer's Guild wonder.

    24. Re:A decade ago... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      And the producers and buyers follow the ticket sales and Nielsen ratings.

      If people weren't watching the remakes, then they wouldn't get filmed.

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    25. Re:A decade ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the Communist advocating for centrally planned economies.

    26. Re:A decade ago... by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      Where's the problem? Hippy Hollywood is eating its own dog food and getting heavily into recycling.

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    27. Re: A decade ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, the writer, demand i do what now? Risk my money, not yours, for something that may make me lose money, just so you can get paid, and so 3.427 viewers can say "its original content"? Heres a better idea, you front all the money to put your original idea on screen.

    28. Re:A decade ago... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've always thought Snow Crash would make an excellent summer blockbuster, because content wise it already is one.

    29. Re:A decade ago... by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      There's no option for someone not very wealthy to make a movie they've written without other(s) who will have a monetary stake and say in it (self-publish it). Someone writing a book can go it alone easily. You can't really conflate the activities.

    30. Re:A decade ago... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Well good for them. I guess people must not care. Not really surprising.

    31. Re:A decade ago... by tepples · · Score: 1

      The channels buy shows and sell ad time to pay for them.

    32. Re:A decade ago... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I've always thought Snow Crash would make an excellent summer blockbuster, because content wise it already is one.

      I feel I cannot promote the idea of making Stephenson's books into movies now, before his death and mine (on a completely selfish level) because I cannot think of any of them save possibly The Big U which should not be made immediately. And even that might be a sort of fun nostalgic flashback to eighties movies like Real Genius. (obviously)

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    33. Re:A decade ago... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is, we're not the buyers and have no control not even enough to vote with our wallets.

      That has always been the trend with popular media. For the most part we get to consume whatever rubbish the marketing people think will resonate with the viewers, then combined with the marketing and other untruths that go with TV viewership they pat themselves on the back with high viewership figures regardless if they produced anything of value.

    34. Re:A decade ago... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Not so much self publishing, think more collective publishing, where a group form a creative cooperative to work together to create content. So not on your own but with a bunch of like minded individuals, have fun working together and together you can produce more higher quality content.

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  9. Who cares? by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 1, Interesting

    TV can disappear tomorrow and it won't matter. People can get their entertainment the good old fashioned way by going outside instead of staring at a screen.

    All to the good, I might add. I swear, I didn't realize how watching several hours of TV each day as a kid had screwed me up until I went a couple of years without owning a TV. Then I got myself a flat screen to put in the living room when I got married and started watching again. Yeesh. Good riddance to the trash merchants. Less money for them means more people are realizing they're putting out crap.

    1. Re:Who cares? by tquasar · · Score: 1

      I watch less and less TV because of the poor content. "Reality " shows are cheap to produce: a camera person, a sound person and a producer who tells them what direction to face. The local news is all crime reports and the national news is all Trump all the time. I have a big collection of movies on DVD and Blu-Ray to watch, and have a great bicycle. I ride my Miyata 5 miles almost every day. There is a bird feeder and bird bath in my yard so I sit, read, and watch the birds.

    2. Re:Who cares? by psmoot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bully for you. If that keeps you happy, go fer it. And I mean that seriously, not sarcastically.

      When winter arrives and the birds fly south, there are awesome shows like Downton Abbey, House of Cards, The Expanse, Man In the High Castle, and on and on. I just finished Jessica Jones and Luke Cage and thought they were fabulous. David Tennant as an evil psychopath, woo-hoo!

      You certainly don't have to watch any of it but recognize there is more available than news and reality shows.

    3. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      meh ... nothing really worth a hour or even half an hour of time

    4. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can't stand people like you.

      You think not owning a TV makes you an enlightened superhero above everyone else .You're not.
      You pick crap to watch then blame the idiot box for your choices. You can be watching documentaries and current events. It's not anyone else's fault you are or were stuck on bad sitcoms and reality TV drivel.
      These days you have the Internet and can spend the time watching video that teaches you about the world around you or teaches you a skill. You can do university and trade school learning that use to require a lot of money for the price of your Internet subscription and a working machine. What's the bet you blame the Internet for being full of lolcats instead.

    5. Re:Who cares? by Drethon · · Score: 2

      TV can disappear tomorrow and it won't matter. People can get their entertainment the good old fashioned way by going outside instead of staring at a screen.

      All to the good, I might add. I swear, I didn't realize how watching several hours of TV each day as a kid had screwed me up until I went a couple of years without owning a TV. Then I got myself a flat screen to put in the living room when I got married and started watching again. Yeesh. Good riddance to the trash merchants. Less money for them means more people are realizing they're putting out crap.

      As far as I know, my area doesn't have any forging groups. Forged in Fire could be better at talking about the process but it is still interesting to have in the background. My local short track doesn't open up for a few more weeks so races on television is the best available option for this at the moment, even though they pretty much ignore most of the engineering. WW2 documentaries and similar are great reads but seeing the video fills in a lot of the gaps my imagination fails at.

      And watching this on TV makes a lot more sense while I'm working on graduate studies and doctoral research. Bringing my laptop along with me while I go outside and do something isn't that practical. No I'm not going to do the research work with the TV off, in a dead silent room I end up starting at the same line of text for minutes before my brain reengages. Nice nearly mindless background noise works nice to look up for a minute and then go back to studies.

    6. Re:Who cares? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I just finished Jessica Jones and Luke Cage and thought they were fabulous.

      Well, thanks for letting us know how very low your bar is.

      Luke Cage was so fucking boring. I had no idea they could make a superhero series so tedious. Even Iron Fist wastes quite a bit of time and it's ten times more engaging than that.

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    7. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for letting us know how high your bar is... shoved up your ass.

    8. Re:Who cares? by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      TV can disappear tomorrow and it won't matter. People can get their entertainment the good old fashioned way by going outside instead of staring at a screen.

      I would agree with you, for 90% of the stuff out there. I enjoy the "educational" stuff, documentaries, "how-to" type shows, that kind of thing. I'm talking the kind of things you find on the Science Channel, TLC 5 to 10 years ago, Discovery, Velocity. etc. I mean, if that stuff went dark I'd find other sources of information, but I can't say I want to see them go.

      Now, the other 90%, reality TV, game shows, talk shows, series, all that crap could be bundled up, tossed in the dumpster, and set on fire. There are a couple series I watch, Game of Thrones, Walking Dead, watched House and Breaking Bad pretty regularly, but can I say I gained anything by them being around? Not really, save for being entertained for a few hours.

    9. Re:Who cares? by Digital+Avatar · · Score: 1

      awesome shows

      Man In the High Castle

      These two phrases do not belong in the same sentence.

    10. Re:Who cares? by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 1

      I'm with you, AC. A guy at work is one of those who is proud of himself for not owning a TV, and constantly yaps about how it rots your brain. He then goes and plays video games for 8 hours each night, by himself, online, with only his cats for company.

    11. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is Iron Fist was edited by a barrel of monkeys. Luke Cage folks apparently paid people to make it not suck. Just because a show doesn't spend over 50% of it's time showing fighting scenes doesn't make it "boring", it makes you "unable to find any fulfillment in a story".

    12. Re:Who cares? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      God gods you're pompous.

    13. Re: Who cares? by psmoot · · Score: 1

      This is me not giving a fuck about anyone's opinion of shows I enjoyed. If you want to suggest one you liked, maybe I'll listen.

    14. Re:Who cares? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I don't get regular TV reception, and use the TV for Amazon Prime (we joined for the delivery service) and DVDs. I've had to mention this to people who apparently assumed I was watching the latest shows, and hope I didn't come off as feeling superior. (I also don't blame the TV, Amazon Prime, DVDs, or Starfleet for what we watch. It's our decision.)

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    15. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go read the books. I found The Expanse books are far better than the TV show and the show is diverging more and more from the books by reducing the depth of the story. Get the audio books, lay down on your bed with the lights off and fly off into space. Or listen to them at x2 speed while washing dishes. Your choice.

  10. Fewer shows? LOL by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    I remember when a season was 39 episodes. Then it dropped to, I dunno, 13. Now it's 6-7.

    Sucks as a viewer, I guess it sucks as a writer, but to be clear, it sucks to be a viewer paying $180/month cable to watch this shit crumble into pieces.

  11. Good.jpg by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sooner these shows and these contracts go the way of the dodo the happier I will be. Let netflix/amazon crush the competition with quality writing. The big 4 will adapt or die. Hell F/X is a damn fine station to watch on it's own thankfully unshackled from the horrible TV that is on Fox.

  12. Writers are not underpaid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Service Network Minimum Cable Minimum
    30 Minute Story $8,062 $5,432
    30 Minute Teleplay $17,343 $8,821
    30 Minute Story + Teleplay $24,183 $13,557
    60 Minute Story $14,192 $9,871
    60 Minute Teleplay $23,399 $17,096
    60 Minute Story + Teleplay $35,568 $24,768
    Staff Writer - 6 Week Guarantee $4,318/week same as network
    Staff Writer - 14 Week Guarantee $4,014/week same as network
    Staff Writer - 20 Week Guarantee $3,703/week same as network
    Any Level Above Staff Writer - up to 9 Weeks $8,055/week same as network
    Any Level Above Staff Writer - 10 to 19 Week Guarantee $6,712/week same as network
    Any Level Above Staff Writer - 20 Weeks or More Guarantee $6,036/week same as network

    1. Re:Writers are not underpaid by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I don't how they get by on that. I'd starve to death.

    2. Re:Writers are not underpaid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're struggling to pay for their second homes.

    3. Re:Writers are not underpaid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yep, would barely be able to afford caviar 5 times a week and still afford to party and pay bills.

    4. Re:Writers are not underpaid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Care to offer up some sources for that? Without sources, all I see is someone pulling numbers out of his ass.

    5. Re:Writers are not underpaid by tsqr · · Score: 1

      Care to offer up some sources for that? Without sources, all I see is someone pulling numbers out of his ass.

      Don't be so lazy. Google "tv writer compensation" and see what you get.

    6. Re:Writers are not underpaid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now average that out over the year given the percentage of time they're earning that.
      Hint: Most writers don't have a job all year.

    7. Re:Writers are not underpaid by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      While the network writers don't seem to be hurting, those numbers for cable aren't great.

      For instance, with an exclusivity agreement that limits you to, say, the 10 episodes per year that your show runs on cable, you'd get $54,320/year for writing the story. That comes out to $4527/mo. before taxes. After taxes, you're probably looking at something closer to $3700/mo., which would be decent in many parts of the country, but certainly wouldn't be that great if you were living in a place like Hollywood. It may not be as expensive as the Silicon Valley, but it's certainly not cheap.

      Mind you, these are minimum numbers that you're posting, which in any other industry we'd interpret as being appropriate for entry-level positions. Were that the case here, they wouldn't seem unreasonable, but I suspect that the networks and studios don't think of those numbers as being strictly for entry-level positions. Instead, I'd wager only a fraction of the writers (e.g. the ones attached to popular shows who receive incentives to stay, those with a strong portfolio of successes, etc.) see numbers above the minimums.

    8. Re:Writers are not underpaid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, you don't understand what those items mean, do you?

      A "30-minute story" is not 30 minutes of work. It's the salary for writing an entire episode, including all of the editing and changes that may be necessary until it is filmed. Actor breaks an arm? Someone unavailable due to illness or emergency? Rewrite!

      That's why the 30- and 60-minute prices are so similar to the weekly rates for a staff writer. It's a lot of work. And---as is the case with most contract work---you have to charge a decent hourly rate because (A) you will not be working every day, and (B) you need to pay for either health insurance or union dues.

      --AC because of mod points

    9. Re:Writers are not underpaid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is tough, when you're not working continuously. You work for six months, then spend a year pitching until you get the next gig. But you knew that, didn't you?

  13. Which writers? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Given the number of new shows Netflix and Amazon are producing, I have trouble believing that good writers are having that tough a time of it.

    So is this about Hollywood or traditional TV writers? Well they can suck the collective dicks of all people across the Earth as far as I'm concerned. They have all but destroying movies being entertaining. Traditional TV sitcoms long ago became such a wasteland that cutting the cord and dropping the antenna was about as hard a choice to make as stopping up an open sewer line coming into the house.

    A pox on you, "writers". Never before has real talent had more opportunity...

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    1. Re:Which writers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's collusion between the various unions. one requires members of the other, or you can't have any union talent at all.. and they all require union shops for everything else on the production.

      an actor can't just go do some streaming show, they'll get fucked by sag. the show has to be sanctioned and employ only sag actors.. or employ NONE... similar situation for writers' guild. a project either has ALL union writers, or none.

      it's not just entertainment.. major beer producers employ union workers in their breweries. if they even so much as thought about using cans or bottles provided by non-union shops, entire companies would shut down until that idea was dead and buried.

    2. Re:Which writers? by tsotha · · Score: 1

      So is this about Hollywood or traditional TV writers? Well they can suck the collective dicks of all people across the Earth as far as I'm concerned. They have all but destroying movies being entertaining.

      I agree the quality of what we're seeing in theaters is pretty uniformly low, but you're not putting the blame in the right place. The studios have developed a system by which they make movies that are guaranteed to have market appeal. Which incidentally, is why they all seem the same. I have a friend who submitted a script that got picked up by a studio, and this was basically what happened:

      1. 1. Original script is submitted. Studio person reads it and likes it.
      2. 2. Studio decides script won't appeal to women. Another writer adds love interest. Some vital scenes are removed because now, with the love interest, the movie will be too long. Ending is changed because "Americans like happy endings". We're only on step 2 and the script has already been gutted.
      3. 3. Studio decides Chinese government won't like a scene. Changed by yet another writer to make sure the film makes it into such a large market.
      4. 4. Studio cuts projected budget. Brings in someone to change scenes that will be expensive to shoot.
      5. 5. Studio brings in someone to add product placement and merchandising which is, as Mel Brooks pointed out, "where the real money from the movie is made."

      After all that was done they decided not to go through with the project. He made a tidy sum for his original script. The one they planned to shoot, had the project gone forward, was nothing whatsoever like the one he'd written after being worked over by the studio's staff into something that was mostly like every other movie out that year. He didn't care because he knows how things work, but that has to be soul crushing for someone who wants to see his vision on the screen.

      There's almost no chance to get something original, tight, and compelling out of a system like that.

  14. writer strike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So if they strike we dont get a reboot of whatever has already worked, We dont get CSI bakerfield, CSI nome, CSI mayberry?
    IF they would come up with something fresh I might care, but How many CSI, NCIS shows do you need.

    1. Re:writer strike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CSI: Nome... I'd watch that. There'd be the unusual corpse of the week being the not-frozen one. Ice-fishing gone horribly wrong. Many episodes could use the "it's still frozen" excuse not to start the autopsy.

  15. I have too muck of a backlog by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    My STB has >100 unwatched episodes that I intentionally recorded. And I've skipped several seasons of series I would have liked to watched.

    I have at least 2 years' worth of video to watch before I crave anything new.

    So, dear writers, hold out for what you need to thrive on. I'll probably want what you write by then. Or, maybe not, given that I never went back to watching or caring about hockey on TV.

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    1. Re:I have too muck of a backlog by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I never missed a Braves baseball game for years. I either watched it on TV or listened on the radio and went to 3 or 4 games a year even though I live over 140 miles away from the stadium. Until the baseball strike. I haven't been to a game since and I've probably watched a total of 9 innings in all the years since. I have no idea who plays on their team anymore. I've tried to watch but it's like I can't even make myself do it. I loathe baseball where I used to love it. It's kind of like a guy who has a wife he adores, worships the ground she walks on. Then one day he comes home and finds the neighbor pounding her ass. He then hates her with a burning passion. That's what they're going to get from a lot of people when they strike. The doormats will return but the rest will walk and never look back.

  16. More like Golden Age of production values. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The writing of most shows is poor.

  17. What is this "television" you speak of? by gstovall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I haven't turned on a "television" in over 7 years, and haven't missed it.

    Now, I do confess to watching Netflix content with my wife.

    Was visiting a family member at the hospital recently, and the individual turned this "television" on to see what it was all about. "Channel" after "channel" of strange annoying things called "commercials". We didn't like it and turned it off. Grabbed the laptop and fired up Netflix. Much better.

    1. Re:What is this "television" you speak of? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    2. Re:What is this "television" you speak of? by gstovall · · Score: 1

      :) I get your point; yes, the same meme can get tiring.

      My point was not to indicate any mental or moral superiority. In fact, I mentioned that I watch Netflix with my wife, and we do watch shows that originally aired on broadcast television, as an attempt to NOT imply any feeling of superiority.

      I do agree with earlier writers that broadcast television must adapt to new ways of providing their product, rather than trying to hinder the streaming providers like Netflix in an effort to protect their failing business model. Cable and broadcast providers have crossed a threshold in the ratio between attractive content and advertising, costing them serious customer loss.

    3. Re:What is this "television" you speak of? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, you beat me to it! 17 years old and still as relevant as ever.

      captcha: history

    4. Re:What is this "television" you speak of? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The BBC is a good thing(TM) for the UK. Even if you don't like the programming it provides, the fact it's there and has no adverts means all the other channels have to be reasonable about their advertising.
      I see American stuff, and it's just amazing how many adverts get foisted on the watcher

    5. Re:What is this "television" you speak of? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      The BBC is a good thing(TM) for the UK. Even if you don't like the programming it provides, the fact it's there and has no adverts means all the other channels have to be reasonable about their advertising.

      Actually, laws do that. In the UK you're not allowed to tell bald-faced lies in commercials. In the USA, you are, so long as it is one of the approved types of lie.

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    6. Re:What is this "television" you speak of? by 91degrees · · Score: 1

      This does seem to be talking about Netflix as well. Writers don't care whether the show is streamed, broadcast, or sold on DVD, except in that this will affect the royalties they receive.

    7. Re:What is this "television" you speak of? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Obligatory, but Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Own a Television.

      That's still somewhat amusing, but it hasn't been hilarious for years, because millions of area men are now constantly mentioning that they don't own a television. That guy doesn't stand out any more because that guy is everywhere.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    8. Re:What is this "television" you speak of? by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Not really, the one time I visited the USA and turned the TV on in the hotel, there where adverts streaming across the bottom of the screen in the middle of a movie. The idea that could happen in the UK while the BBC exists is pure fantasy land.

    9. Re:What is this "television" you speak of? by houghi · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Television is the big 55" screen I bought a lot cheaper (500 EUR 3 years ago; 1080p) than a monitor.

      Link the laptop to the big screen and you have a much nicer experience. Or you can use the TV directly or indirectly to other divices. Plenty of options.

      To me television is just a word for "cheap bigass monitor".

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    10. Re:What is this "television" you speak of? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, I do confess to watching Netflix content with my wife.

      That's television. You watch television.

      at the hospital recently, and the individual turned this "television" on to see what it was all about. "Channel" after "channel" of strange annoying things called "commercials"

      That's a broken television. Hospitals and hotels come with broken televisions.

    11. Re:What is this "television" you speak of? by sootman · · Score: 1

      Must you post in that mock-ignorant tone? You realize you've been a joke for almost 20 years, right?

      http://www.theonion.com/articl...

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    12. Re:What is this "television" you speak of? by sootman · · Score: 1

      Never mind -- asked and answered. Sorry, meant to check replies before posting but forgot. Too many tabs open. :-/

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    13. Re: What is this "television" you speak of? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey Grandpa, if all you get are commercials when changing channels, you're doing it wrong. Just like radio, you have to leave it on one channel to view the program. Except for TV, there's this handy schedule so you know what channel to be on and when.
      Also, it's 2017. DVR's have been decent for 15 years. The only live program I put on are Sirius music channels.
      Lastly, enjoy your fucking buffering laptop experience instead of big screen TV, home audio speakers and proper remote.

    14. Re: What is this "television" you speak of? by gstovall · · Score: 1

      Oh, these young-uns. Reckon they don't teach reading comprehension much these days. :)

      1) Yes, my humor is lame, as many friends throughout my life have been so helpful as to remind me.
      2) Yes, I was already competent at "watching television" apparently long before you were born.
      3) Yes, for the last 7 or 8 years of my "television watching" time, I had a DVR -- and used it. And skipped commercials. :)
      4) At home, we have Roku boxes connected to "big screen TVs", but I think what you are implying is that with broadcast or subscription TV, there isn't any buffering. That's a fair point. OTA programming frequently has higher picture quality as well. That's not important to me, but I'm happy for you that you are happy with it.
      5) Did you miss the part about this experience being in a hospital room? Didn't have a TV Guide, didn't have a DVR, and we're not going to endure those ridiculous commercials. Hence Netflix on the laptop.
      6) The point I was whimsically attempting to make (and apparently failed with a certain segment of the population) was that advertisements suck, we don't want to watch them anymore, and lots of people feel the same way,

      I'm curious about the extreme emotional response to my post. What upset you so much?

  18. Business as usual: they're just taking advantage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The writers are getting screwed over? Maybe. It's just not the fault of streaming media or the internet. It's a change business environment and everybody has to adjust. The industry of course doesn't want to cause it's in their favour. The reality is most writers are probably not being paid well and the industry would like you believe it's cause of piracy and the internet success stories like Google taking advantage of the entertainment industry when the reality is quite different. The industry is just aiming to take advantage of EVERYONE. From the consumers to the actors to the writers.

  19. Phyrric action? by cfreymarc · · Score: 1

    Trends are moving away from television networks to streaming services with non-union shows doing very well in streaming services. I can easily see a writers strike creating a void that can be swallowed up by independent shows. By the time any writers strike is settled, will there be much of a market capital worth having a guild or union monopolize? This reminds me of a lot of manufacturing union strikes in the mid-west in the 80's where it was ended by the plant shutting down and throwing everyone to the street. Could the lead to a real estate crash around Hollywood?

  20. Enough of this Naive Missing the Point by ohnocitizen · · Score: 4, Insightful
    • "So, if you're a TV writer, why not negotiate a contract which takes into account the new reality of streaming and shorter seasons?" -> The strike is one means of doing so - but TV writers are not like star actors - the studios call the shots. Not everyone works in an industry where it's easy to negotiate if circumstances grow less favorable. And please shut up with the inevitable "why not change professions?". Not everyone wants to, and not everyone should have to. But even if they did - fine. How about all the people upset with their jobs change to yours? Oh what's that? The massive influx of competition is having a negative impact on your salary, work hours, and ability to get a job? Maybe YOU should change professions.
    • "with all the alternative content available, does anyone care...? Would the writer's strike have any serious impact on your life?" -> What is WRONG with you? There is a huge difference between the endless "reaction" videos on youtube and a film like "The Departed" or "Moana". If we want quality entertainment and art - then we have to ensure the people making it can make a living doing it. Which means we just need to be supportive when they say "the studios are making more money and we aren't, and now I need a part time job to support my family, this has to change". Instead of saying "well fine I guess I don't care about tv, movies, or whatever as long as I can watch another youtube star rant about a video game he hates" and sounding like an utter moron.
    • "What is this television you speak of? I watch Netflix". IDIOT. The article is about writers who work for Netflix - and they aren't making enough to make ends meet. You want Stranger Things season 2? The Defenders? Then maybe support the writers who make those shows possible.

    What is wrong with Slashdot?!

    1. Re:Enough of this Naive Missing the Point by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Are the writers of "The Departed" or "Moana" really the ones having trouble finding work though? I don't think so.

      Remember that you are ALSO defending the writers of compete drek as appears on most TV these days, and in most movies. There are honestly a lot of YouTube videos I would vastly prefer watching to most major hollywood movies, never mind the TV sitcoms.

      You want Stranger Things season 2? The Defenders? Then maybe support the writers who make those shows possible.

      I do. I watch Netflix, I watch those shows. Netflix will thus continue hiring good writers to make them. If they are not paying the writers enough, Netflix will lose them - which obviously Netflix does not want to do.

      If the writers need to make more money, they need to ASK for more money after they have a hit.

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    2. Re:Enough of this Naive Missing the Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And quite a few of these kinds of posts are probably written by the very same people who complain about foreign workers taking their jobs. But heaven forbid that a group of people went on strike or even contemplated doing so. That's not freedom of doing whatever the hell you want but communism. Freedom is submitting to being screwed over and not complaining too loudly about conditions. Sad.

    3. Re:Enough of this Naive Missing the Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guilds and unions are a mechanism for the worst to ride on the coattails of the best.
      The people who write that awful series you hate that just won't go away?
      They'll use the strike of the really good writers as leverage to get more money for their own work.

  21. A related question: Will anyone notice if they do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  22. Re:Fewer shows? LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    THIS! Supernatural season 1 - 22 episodes. Season 10 - 23 episodes. Meanwhile in Brooklyn it fell apart as Hollywood couldn't stick their unit out long enough for another series

    X-Files Season 1 - 24 episodes (1993)
    Star Trek Next Generation Season 1 - 26 episodes (1988)
    Will and Grace Season 1 - 22 episodes (1999)
    Star Trek Enterprise Season 1 - 26 episodes (2001)

    Falling Skies Season 1 - 10 episodes (2011)
    The Walking Dead Season 1 - 6 episodes (2010)
    Mad Men Season 1 - 13 episodes (2007)
    Sleepy Hollow season 1 - 13 episodes (2013)

    Fear the walking dead season 1 - 6 episodes (2015)

  23. 12 Monkeys by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is to show its ENTIRE 10-ep. season in a weekend, this May.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt31...

    It'll finish after four seasons.

  24. Would anybody notice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hollywood writers have been on strike for years, that's why we are only getting mindless remakes and sequals to old films and shows.

  25. The Donald by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump is a cunt. Discuss.

  26. The last time by ErstO · · Score: 1

    The last time the writers went on strike we ended up with Doctor Horrible’s sing-along blog, and that was not a bad thing.

    Streaming ....

    The writers should have seen the writing on the wall, Hollywood, although still capable of producing an original hit now and then, are more interested in sequels and reboots then originality.

    TV is much the same, “lets get this guy that was popular for 4 seasons in a sitcom and put him in another sitcom just like the last”

    That might work for some viewers, but it will not grow the industry

    It happened before, in the 60’s Hollywood was afraid of cost and originality and it took the Italian's with their Spaghetti Western’s to show the way forward. and a decade later Norman Lear transformed TV

    The shift is happening, like it or not writers, traditional Hollywood and TV are dying.

    Want to stay employed?

    Start talking to Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, or the other streaming services that are or will be cropping up.

    1. Re:The last time by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      The last time the writers went on strike we ended up with Doctor Horrible’s sing-along blog, and that was not a bad thing.
       

      We also ended up with Vancouver picking up a huge amount of tv series production! Moving stuff like this out of California and up to BC has to be a good thing. The Hollywood propaganda machine is massive, old and tired. The industry needs new blood.

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    2. Re:The last time by tsotha · · Score: 1

      Hollywood, although still capable of producing an original hit now and then, are more interested in sequels and reboots then originality.

      While some of the people involved in the actual production are in it for the art, studios are there to make money. Those sequels and reboots are almost guaranteed to make money, and for any business a sure thing is better than a crap shoot that might make even more, but probably not.

  27. WRITERS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a laugh and a half! The shit that passes for TV, intercalated between all the annoying, insulting, stupid commercials and other bullshit, was written decades ago. There's precious little that actually qualifies as NEW in many, many years. Everything's just reheated leftovers, shit scraped off the cutting-room floor, and re-tooled, warmed-over GARBAGE.

    So tell me why I or anyone should give a flying fuck about "writers"? They're a bunch of fucking hacks. When they start producing new, interesting, and high-quality programs instead of drivel and dogshit, then maybe they'll be able to say they're worth any fraction of what they're demanding.

  28. Re:Fewer shows? LOL by Imrik · · Score: 1

    Seasons of 22-26 episodes were standard for a long time, now they're doing half and quarter length seasons. This typically results in less content at a higher quality. (keeping in mind that higher quality trash is still trash)

  29. Aww, too bad by RubberDogBone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Feel bad for these people but nobody ever promised them anything. Hollywood has always been extremely fickle about what it would support and when, and those tastes change all the time. Things go in and out of favor and writers have to cope with that, including periods of starving. OH WELL.

    Now, how the audience consumes content and who, exactly, is making it, is changing. We no longer need TV networks to fund content so they can sell ads against it -and THAT is the only reason TV networks bother with shows anyway, to sell ads.

    Without TV networks, the content that is funded and produced IS going to be different. The customer is different. If you paint houses and your customers decided they want blue houses and no longer want yellow houses, you as a painter don't get to stomp your feet and demand that people want yellow houses. You paint blue houses or you starve. Pick.

    Anyway, the writers are running a huge risk: as the whole distribution model has changed, we may eventually see the writing model change too. Do we really need union writers or could they find freelancers to do it? Of course they could. And with the script to screen path being more streamlined than ever, the union writers are in a precarious position. The client sitting at home won't care who wrote it as long as it is good.

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  30. Welcome to the newspaper decade by AHuxley · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Now anyone can write a script and submit it to any new streaming company.
    The once needed access to a select few staff in TV stations or broadcasters is over.
    Creative pay at a broadcaster will slip down to that of an editorial assistant and stay low.
    Make a fuss and a lot of very skilled people are waiting for that job for even lower wages.

    Writers should have done more to protect their profession during the good decades.
    Ensured that only US universities can offer the needed academic standing for the creative professions.
    Some sort of accreditation to ensure only people in the profession now can be allowed to write for broadcasters.
    That would have reduced the competition of writers allowed to interact with the wider public. Wages stay up and good existing jobs are protected.
    Ensure only a qualified writer can offer work, sign a contract and a have a script accepted. Make "arts" and "english" a profession again.
    Consider how aspiring talent is entering the profession. They are competing to lower wages and take jobs.
    Dont go the way of newspapers in the online world. Learn from past errors in other areas of the arts and secure a profession as a professional writer.

    Study who else is submitting scripts to streaming and broadcasting companies.
    If the work submitted is not from the USA, suggest a strong Russian influence in their past work or education or friends?
    Use existing contacts to ensure only existing authors are considered.
    Also use the US government, big US brands and mil to further your own work. Plots have always been friendly, supportive or never mentioned complex issues.
    Consider the new owners of broadcasters. Tiananmen square an issue? A theocracy? Monarchy? Human rights issues and weapons sales? A cult or faith wants some good fiction about their past?
    Why risk a new writer with ideals and ideas? Listen to the people who are now in control of the streaming brand and broadcasters, work within the owners branding needs. Once the owners know who can be trusted and will write what they consider quality, become a no bid contractor.
    Never be afraid to report new gifted authors to the correct authorities if they have equal skills or better talent.
    They present a good rural script? Thats hidden nationalism and a Russian topic of influence.
    An inner city story? Thats Russia trying to get poor consumers to lose faith in US brands and the US mil.
    Any enviromental aspects to the plot? Thats an ag gag issue trying to sneak around local laws. Report that author to their home state and the feds
    Given the vast amount of work submitted is junk with poor grammer and spelling, a professional work can quickly move to the top once some other authors have lost their professional standing.

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    1. Re:Welcome to the newspaper decade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So basically the old bullshit of protectionism rather than ensuring you are the best and worth it. It is a sad, short sited and inevitably doomed approach. All it does is provide short term security until those companies go belly up as they can't compete with the rising competition outside of the US.

    2. Re:Welcome to the newspaper decade by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Ensure only a qualified writer can offer work, sign a contract and a have a script accepted.

      Anyone with creativity and basic language skills is qualified to write for television, or movies for that matter, so that is the current situation.

      Given the vast amount of work submitted is junk with poor grammer and spelling,

      Were you shooting for irony there?

      a professional work can quickly move to the top once some other authors have lost their professional standing.

      That's a stupid idea, and you made Slashdot dumber by suggesting it. That is totally irrelevant. They don't just hand a script draft to a director, slap him on the ass and say "Go Get 'em, Tiger!" Scripts go through multiple stages of editing and rewriting. Errors are expected, and expected to be repaired during the editing process.

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    3. Re:Welcome to the newspaper decade by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >Scripts go through multiple stages of editing and rewriting

      At least if the writer is any good. Nobody, not even a genius playwright, gets it perfect on the first go 'round. There's always a line to polish, a plot to tighten, some pacing to adjust.

      What you end up seeing is their 'good enough for practical purposes' version, not 'perfect', because it never is.

      A bad writer will do it in one go and be satisfied.

    4. Re:Welcome to the newspaper decade by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Good enough to sell a project.
      Random staff can be found to do clean up any issues so a committee is finally happy. The main aim is to ensure only select people even have access to offer a project and only from a limited pool of existing talent.

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    5. Re:Welcome to the newspaper decade by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "They don't just hand a script draft to a director"
      Why not? Why should the job even be offered at a lower wage to someone from Australia, or New Zealand? An author from the UK, Ireland? Canada?
      Why not make it that simple in the USA. Select people in the USA, they have the skills they sell. Get the movie or series accepted and write as needed, with the help that is later needed.
      The problem for the professional US writer is wage pressure from other english speaking nations and new media owners seeking ever cheaper ideas and staff outside the USA.
      Broadcasters and streaming brands taking low cost books and scripts from other nations and making a cheaper product for the USA.
      So the US writers have to come up with some method to avoid going the way of US newspapers.
      Just accept much low wages that covers paying the rent in most nice areas or counter the flow of cheap new international scripts.
      Do global viewers want the US presented by someone educated in the UK as lower cost fiction?
      US authors and writers have to show they have decades of life in the US to draw from. A few years in a UK university and a decade of been published in the UK is not going to ever cover the complexity of the USA.
      It might help with a plot about someone moving to the US from the UK or a US plot in the UK.
      People have to get smarter about protecting their jobs in the USA, not just giving away decades of inside contacts and production access to other nations.

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    6. Re:Welcome to the newspaper decade by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Ensured that only US universities can offer the needed academic standing for the creative professions.

      Fuck that concept right in the ass. I have published writings, I paint and I sculpt and fuck you or anyone else that tries to make it so I can't do so without "academic standing".

      Some sort of accreditation to ensure only people in the profession now can be allowed to write for broadcasters.

      You really didn't understand 1984, did you?

  31. Unintended Consequences by Sinesurfer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The last time hollywood writers went on strike we got a whole lot of unscripted reality TV such as The Apprentice which in turn made Trump a media 'star'. Can't wait to see the unintended consequences of a second strike.

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    1. Re:Unintended Consequences by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      So you're suggesting that the huge turnouts that Trump got for his rallies were solely because he had been on TV?

      Not solely, but that had to have been a factor in this age of "I believe it because I seen it on TV" and the general attitude of believing that celebrities are more valid people than the rest of us. People care what actors and actresses think about global warming, for fuck's sake. They know fuck about shit but people want them to be authorities because we look up to personalities.

      How do you explain the fact that Clinton only got about a fifth of the people at her rallies (per rally) that Trump did,

      How do you explain the fact that Clinton won the popular vote even with about a fifth as many people at her rallies? That sounds to me like The People supported Clinton over Trump, and that an extremely vocal minority was whipped into a Trump-voting froth by cheap propaganda tactics, the only kind of propaganda tactics Trump knows. Luckily for him, they work on idiots.

      yet the Jew owned media kept telling us it was '50/50' in support of each candidate, before the election?

      So are you telling us that "the Jews" threw the election in Trump's favor by manipulating what the media was saying about poll results?

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    2. Re:Unintended Consequences by StormReaver · · Score: 1

      The last time hollywood writers went on strike we got a whole lot of unscripted reality TV....

      So-called, "Reality TV" is scripted, too. It's just that the script is unimaginative tripe. It's what you get when the janitor is promoted to lead creative director.

    3. Re:Unintended Consequences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      had to have been a factor in this age of "I believe it because I seen it on TV"

      And don't forget the people who don't watch tv.

  32. More TV but less work, then who's writing? by swb · · Score: 1

    If this is the new "golden age" of television and there's so many new shows, I'm kind of confused as to how the math works on the writers not making enough money, exclusivity clauses and the new content getting written.

    At the peak of broadcast television sometime in the late 1970s you had three networks and we'll assume for arguments' sake they had about 14 hours per day of programming, 7 days a week -- and I don't think it was even quite that much, there were big holes affiliates filled with reruns, local news, local chat shows, etc. Anyway, that's roughly 300 hours a week that needs "writing" of some kind, although some of it was journalism and not creative fiction, but we'll ignore that distinction, too.

    Now there's far more networks with original programming -- AMC, USA, SciFi, FX, Fox, HBO, Showtime, WB, plus the networks, plus Netflix and Amazon originals -- how can there be so much content AND the writers are getting less work at the same time?

    It doesn't make sense unless there really is less content, and the new "Golden Age" really is a fraud, and the entire industry is actually producing a lot less content. It doesn't feel that way. Antenna TV had a lot of crap content, movie-of-the-week (Hollywood theater movie, just broadcast on TV) and then there was live sports, news was actually journalism writing often written by the reporter who read it, etc, and even though series were 20-odd episodes then there was a long rerun season and TV also loved variety & talk shows with little scripted content.

    Part of me thinks the writers just smell more money from actual growth in the medium and don't think they're getting enough of it, which is fine, everyone in creative filmed content management is a cunt and deserves to get bled a little.

  33. Forget JustAnotherOldGuy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cut and pasted from the intro:
    Slashdot reader JustAnotherOldGuy asks, "with all the alternative content available, does anyone care...? Would the writer's strike have any serious impact on your life?"
    It isn't that the average viewer will have a major impact. Poor writing can impact the number of viewers a show attracts, or in the case keep. (See many comments above).
    A strike does have the potential to lose revenue for the studios, Netflix, etc.
    There was a writers strike in 1990. Star Trek The New Generation season ended with The Best of Both Worlds, Part 1. Picard had been captured and assimilated by The Borg. It is usually rated as one of the better episodes of of he series. The strike impacted the writing for Part 2, which really fell flat.
    Aside. the musical score for this was written by Ron Jones. It was good enough to be released as an album, but the honchos at Paramount thought the music was too good as distracted from the plotline, and canned him!

  34. Erh... folks? Not a smart move! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    It's not really advisable to workers to go on strikes to combat management replacing their jobs with robots. Because, guess what: Nobody will give a shit.

    Likewise, it's probably not the best way to save your jobs to put on a strike when the thing you're protesting is pretty much what makes you redundant in the first place.

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    1. Re:Erh... folks? Not a smart move! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unions have always have always been very short sighted, willing to kill the golden goose. They will fight tooth and nail to prevent the future wherever possible as the changes make them irrelevant and a union is first and foremost about protecting the union bosses power and income. Unions have created their own pyre, over the years the studios have been forced to look elsewhere for talent and freelancers due to strikes and now studios know they can exist without the cancerous unions, especially when most of what they produce is rehashes anyway. Unions basically have proven the studios are better off without union members.

    2. Re:Erh... folks? Not a smart move! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Unions have always have always been very short sighted, willing to kill the golden goose. They will fight tooth and nail to prevent the future wherever possible as the changes make them irrelevant and a union is first and foremost about protecting the union bosses power and income.

      Yes. Instead of trying to protect all workers, they protect themselves. Once they get what they want, they are happy. Their wages tend to be based on the minimum wage (whether tied to it or not, it is a relevant data point) so they work to have it raised, but not to a living wage. Therefore they actually help to perpetuate a system that keeps the majority in a condition of poverty — the minimum wage was intended to provide a living wage, not a bare subsistence wage.

      Unions are going to be the biggest opponents in the battle for UBI, because it destroys their model completely by making them obsolete. If everyone's basic needs are met and work is voluntary, then why do we need unions? Answer, we don't. Just like the entrenched banking interests, the only thing they can do from here on out without fundamentally changing into something else is fight the future.

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  35. Also sometimes unions strike "just because" by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 1, Interesting

    They want to show they are a force to be listened to, or they want to make their members feel like they are doing something. So they strike, even though they don't really have an attainable goal.

    That happened here with the buses. They are Teamsters and they went on strike for two weeks more or less out of the blue. They weren't engaged in contract negotiations with the city and at a stalemate, they struck more or less right off the bat, at the behest of the national Teamsters. The demands were silly too in that one was something they could easily get, and the other was impossible. They wanted a clear shield (like Lexan) installed around the driver for dangerous routes, which was no problem the city was perfectly willing. However they also wanted a pay hike, which was impossible because the city budget was in the shitter at the time and there was no money.

    At the end of two weeks the agreement was they'd get back pay for the two weeks they were on strike, and the shields would get installed at some point in the future. That was the end of it. It accomplished little other than to get more people annoyed with the bus service (it is not good here sadly) and to make the members feel as though their union had their back.

    Sometimes unions go on strike after they've tried and failed to come to an agreement, however that isn't always the case.

  36. Entirely the Studios Own Fault by shatteredsilicon · · Score: 1

    The problem is that Studios have been pissing people off and running their business based on very incorrect metrics. They talk about a drop in DVD sales, yet they make a decision to cancel a show before a season is even finished, sometimes before it even started airing, let alone before DVD box set of that season is available.

    They make decisions to cancel based on "viewing figured" what are only based on live viewing, so DVD sales never feature into whether a show gets cancelled or not. The only legitimate way for people not in the same country as the studio to view the show in the years showrly after airing in the US is to by the DVD box set, yet all those millions of sales don't get counted.

    Until they start looking at the profitability of the global sales they will keep falling foul of their own broken business models. This is why the like of Amazon and Netflix are winning over them, because their metrics for assessing the viability of their business model isn't fundamentally broken.

    1. Re:Entirely the Studios Own Fault by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      They may complain about the lack of DVD sales, but so can I. I can't get DVDs for some stuff I'd like to watch and keep. Offer me the DVDs and I'll buy them.

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  37. I don't care about by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 1

    anything coming from Hollywood anymore.

  38. The future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The future is upon us. The TV world decided to dumb down the TV audience as most Americans have a limited level of concentration which is why we now have TV shows that start with a synopsis of what is coming later in the programme to try an keep the American audience interested in the programme, then they shuffle in a load of adverts, then back to the programme when we are then told what has happened before the ad break as Americans have now lost their concentration and it needs to be jogged. Then we get 7 mins of actual programming followed by another long ad break and then back to the programme when we are then told what has happened before the ad break as Americans have now lost their concentration and it needs to be jogged AGAIN and so the cycle repeats and 1 hour long programme is now only 25mins of actual content........So the writers are having a hard time, which season runs of 24 episodes now dropped down to 10 as the Americans are finding if difficult to remember between episodes that they were actually watching the series... Then the writers are tied into monolistic contracts forcing them to beg on street corners whilst the actors in the shows are paid MASSIVELY big mound of cash, then the middle men take their wheelbarrows of cash and leaving the poor writers with peanuts.. This is the future, this is the future that America wanted and it's the future they got..................Just wait and hope that this does not happen to films as if the typical American does not have the concentration for 10mins of TV then how can they watch a film for at least 2hrs

  39. I'm not your guy, buddy! by fellip_nectar · · Score: 1

    So, the World Canadian Bureau want more of that Internet money again. Please be generous and send them your Theoretical Dollars!

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  40. Quality? by jandersen · · Score: 1

    Streaming services like Netflix and Amazon have transformed Hollywood and contributed to an unprecedented number of quality series being produced -- a phenomenon often described as the new Golden Age of TV.

    I would like to know where all these "quality series" are - I can't think of even one that hasn't become yet another endless, drivel-ridden soap opera. They start out well enough, sometimes even with a brilliant concept, but then it becomes an exercise in recycling, and because that is boring even to the producers, they start adding "drama" (ie. unrealistic idiocy). And then we get "The Movie", "Rebooted" and the protagonists in their younger days. A good series is one that stops when the story has run its course, probably after less than 6 episodes. What we get now, and perhaps it is because of streaming media, is quantity, not quality. It has simply become too easy to produce something with a decent or even good, technical quality, but there simply aren't enough good, original writers around, so it get diluted; it isn't without reason that everybody keeps going back to the great productions of the past - back then it wasn't easy to get your story produced, so it was far more likely that only the very best made it.

  41. You mean there is stuff on the networks ;) by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

    The only time I tune in the networks is to watch NFL football. I hope the strike is over before the season starts ;) Would be a shame to not have good scripts for each game ;)

    Maybe if the writers wrote fewer scripts for commercials and more scripts for interesting content they would do better ;)

  42. Fuck 'em by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    Since the last writers strike TV has really gone down the pan, constant remakes of old shows, very little imagination in new ones and an excess of cop shows. Fuck them, ultimately it's the writers fault TV isn't really worth watching anymore and that has a knock on all the way down the line.

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    1. Re:Fuck 'em by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Fuck them, ultimately it's the writers fault TV isn't really worth watching anymore and that has a knock on all the way down the line.

      They have to share the blame, but they don't decide what actually gets made. An occasional original idea floats into Hollywood, and they usually murder it as rapidly as possible because it is confusing to them. "What's that?" they say. "I don't know, but I fear it."

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    2. Re:Fuck 'em by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I do get that. Ultimately TV is about making money and not expressing art but still, they are the ones writing the shows. Seems to me they should be embracing the streaming media as they are more likely to take a chance on more original content, or look into the crowdfunding model and try and actually get their stories told the way they want.

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  43. Re:Fewer shows? LOL by thogard · · Score: 1

    Seasons used to average about 25 episodes so they could hit the magic 100 required for syndication. Where you find older shows that shows that had 24, one episode would be a double length season premiere or finale and would get cut in half for syndication.

    In the 1950s shows would often have 40 episodes a year. Things like the The Burns and Allen Show would be written and produced in a week.

  44. Last time we had a Writer's Strike. . . by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

    . . . We got "Doctor Horrible's Sing-Along Blog".

    So, if we **DO** get a strike. . . (hint, hint, Joss Whedon. . . .)

  45. Re:Fewer shows? LOL by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    I like the shorter seasons. US shows seem to drag a bit mid-season. British shows with about 6 episodes per series end too quickly. The 10-13 episode seasons Netflix does seem a good length.

    I'm sure this makes cable TV less value for money. But I think most people consider that to be slowly dying in favour of online services.

  46. Whatever... by johnnys · · Score: 1

    Since most greenlit productions these days are repeats of comic book movies and previous hits (remaking the Matrix, really??) a lot of writers could be replaced by a photocopier. That's not a lot of leverage.

    The business model is broken. Striking won't fix it.

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  47. economics 101 ... fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If there is an alternate commodity in the market, then when the first becomes unavailable the market moves.

    The power of the strike depends on no alternative being available in the market.

    There are a number of alternatives in the market.

    The strike is going to push the market to those alternatives. Those alternatives, if they see the risk of being a "member" are going to resist allowing collective bargaining, because it becomes an existential threat.

    Personally, I think modern TV isn't worth watching, so I do netflix or nothing.

    I think most of America is too dumb to know they can't say no right now, so they are going to be unhappy sheep, and they are going to go wherever they think that grass is green. Personally I think they should turn off the TV (and all screens) for a month and see what real life does for them. They might be forced to read a book, walk outside, or have an actual relationship with actual humans. While hard and painful, those are much more humanly valuable than staring at pixels and being induced not to think, or feel, or ... live.

    EngrStudent

  48. I Thought Writers Were Already on Strike? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, nothing new or interesting has come out of Hollywood or TV in the last 10 or 15 years. It has all been reboots, remakes, sequels, tweaks, or other predictable, formulaic bullshit like Game of Thrones or The Big Bang Theory (seriously, this show is 10 seasons of the same exact episode over and over again).

  49. Exclusivity deals need to change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of the entire /. abstract, only the exclusivity deals are the stickler, and the writers should fight/not sign if they can't do an honest year's work. I wouldn't accept it as a dev, either. What I don't want to see is harkening back to 22-24 episode seasons. Ain't nobody got time for that.

  50. The only impact I recall. . . by Salgak1 · · Score: 3

    . . . .was Joss Whedon and gang went and did "Dr. Horrible's Sing-along Blog". . .

        So, if there **IS** a strike, how about a sequel, Joss ?? (grin)

  51. So sorry for y'all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know this will come as a shock to many, but there is a whole world of stuff to do out there, and none of it involves passively sitting in front of a screen. Quit wasting your lives on entertainment, and get out and accomplish something meaningful for a change people! What a waste!

  52. Shorter seasons should be better for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they are locked into a show for a season (exclusivity in contract), the shorter season should actually be a benefit. It would allow them to work on multiple shows in a year much easier as each lock-in period would be about half or less of the time they were locked in before. Unless they have something silly like it's a year lock-in to represent one season, which seems crazy to me even if you had a full 22-24 episodes. BBC writers must have this figured out as most of their groupings are 6-10 episodes.

  53. If Programmer got paid like Hollywood writers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine if a programmer got paid every time his code was executed....
    Why shouldn't these writers get paid once for the content they produce?

  54. TV isn't ephemeral anymore by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

    There used to only be so much available at any one time, so TV shows were more valuable. Now, that you can stream on demand content at will, and shows essentially never become unavailable, there's more content available for viewing than time to watch it. 'Water cooler' talking about episodes as they air has dropped slowly down to Game of Thrones with the occasional bout of The Walking Dead or Downtown Abbey at my workplace. They'd have to go on strike an awfully long time before anyone noticed.

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  56. They have nothing to gain from a strike by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Union-busting is very much in fashion again. Add to that the fact that people get a lot of their entertainment and "news" online where very little writing is involved, and the writers would be severely overplaying their hand to call for another strike right now.

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  57. Striking over lack of work: stupidity at its best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Market: "There's not enough work for all youz guys."

    Worker: "Oh yeah?! Well, we're going on strike!"

    Market: "Thanks to a bunch of you leaving your jobs, there is now just enough work for those who remained."

    Worker: "Yay! I'm ending my strike. See you at work on Monday morning."

    Market: "You don't work here anymore. Your quitting is what solved the problem."

  58. Greed by iamacat · · Score: 1

    3D and 4K content was a chance to entice people to watch something new instead of reruns. But not for $60 for a single movie that takes no special advantage of new media. As for movie theaters, people are trying to be health and budget concious. $100 for an hour and a half of entertrainment and junk food is too much for a family of four.

    So people moved on to other options. If you want to be a writer today, think VR interactive fiction. Or have another wave of innovation pass you buy while you fight for scraps. Accidentally, movie theaters could find success as arcades as gear is still expensive/difficult to set up at home.

    And for god sake, embrace adult content! That's how the world works if you want to be on the leading edge. Some of the best stories were published by Playboy.

  59. I hope so! by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    With the crap level writing you see like the last season of the Walking Dead, it's time to start ignoring the "pro writers" once more. the last strike allowed a lot of new writes to get some traction, it's time it happened again.

    Out with the old that is stuck writing tripe and in with the new.

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  60. They are not worth it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A season on DVD use to retail at $40. Now, maybe $20. A TV show is not worth the inflated price it was once, therefore the writings are not worth the price they were before. The inflated monopoly of Hollywood has changed.

  61. Being that, if I do watch... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being that, if i do watch a TV or movie. I prefer the British sitcoms over U.S. based dribble. Movies, it's the same. I prefer international films these days. Hollywood has been sorely lacking for decades now. Let the Writers Guild of America strike, they have become irrelevant by their own minimum effort.

  62. Can't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They run a cabal betwen the writer's guild, screen actor's guild, and whatever the other guilds are. You lose your guild membership if you work on other for-profit productions which don't use exclusively guild talent.

    This is why cameos with non-SAG members are always unspoken parts.

    While I can understand the reasons this system came to be, I am wholly for it being destroyed, but only if it takes the producers/publishers of content down with it. Long term that destruction would change the landscape of many 'cinema towns' that need a true cultural revolution, instead of a bohemian decline.

  63. Youtube/education. by NealBScott · · Score: 1

    There is endless entertaining educational content on Youtube. TV/Netflix/Amazon has a place if you are in the mood for make believe. But there is so much out there from which you can learn when you least expect it!!! I mean, theres a Youtube video on how to measure PI *using* pies. Videos showing the history of Japan. Shows that explain why there is the letter R in the abbreviation for Mrs. What happens when you pour molten metal into an anthill. Your favorite songs played on unexpected instruments (I'm lookin' at you ukelele!) Too cool!! Make believe murders and shows filled with angst about why they had to turn down a prom date.. Give me a break.

  64. Too late by tsotha · · Score: 1

    The time to strike is when there exists a large demand for your services, but for whatever reason you aren't capturing much of the profit as that demand is satisfied.

    That's not the position writers are in now as demand for their services slackens. It's likely they'll just strike themselves out of a job.

  65. WGGB; geoblocking by tepples · · Score: 1

    The Writers Guild of America represents writers for all of TV / Film / Streaming / you name it

    Including things like the BBC's Sherlock, or Doctor Who, or Downton Abbey or a dozen other shows that have gotten quite popular from "across the pond"?

    Which are represented by Writers Guild of Great Britain. Or are you making the weaker claim that WGAW and WGAE aren't coordinating with WGGB?

    For another, I imagine that far more screen time on this side of the pond is spent viewing U.S.-originated programming than those fifteen British series you mention. Many British-operated channels are geoblocked, and those that are available in the United States, such as BBC America, tend to be on higher multichannel pay TV tiers than the first expanded basic tier (the one with TNT, ESPN, CNN, and the like).

    1. Re:WGGB; geoblocking by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      The writers Guild of Great Britain doesn't go on strike in lockstep with the US one, and British seasons (one of the main bones of contention) have always been much shorter, so what "coordination" are you talking about here?

  66. Good luck streaming without the cable company by tepples · · Score: 1

    I didn't worry about a cable company

    You do if cable is the ISP for your area.

    Fiber to the home? As far as I'm aware, more live outside its service footprint than live outside that of cable.
    DSL? Unless it's VDSL, which (again) isn't available everywhere, it often has trouble keeping up with 720p let alone 4K.
    Satellite or fixed cellular? Its data transfer quota tends to be on the order of 10 GB. Per month. This is so small that it's unsuitable for regular viewing of long-form streaming video.

    1. Re:Good luck streaming without the cable company by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      This wasn't designed to be a polemic on broadband and access and access speeds.

      An interesting correlation to DSL is that if you have it, it's fairly likely you have speeds sufficient for low-res video watching. This wasn't always true.

      Using sat or heaven-forbid, your smartphone? You have a different problem. I believe that basic Internet connectivity is a big need, but like cable tv and other luxuries, you're not gonna die without it.

      It all costs money. Gradients of money. Rural folks miss out a lot on broadbands, and so dishes have become popular. Today, sat is pretty expensive. Move to the city where the economics have allowed the monopolistic service providers lots of competition and prices are reasonable, and more reasonable than Internet + tv of come kind.

      Fiber everywhere would be the ideal solution. But this is an imperfect world.

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  67. Oh no! by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    If we have a writer's strike, we'll get endless s#itcoms, (un)reality shows, reruns, sequels, and remakes!

    Oh, wait!

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  68. There was a strike? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Huh, didn't notice. We watch too much TV always. Don't like what you're paid, don't write them.

  69. Dances with Avagully by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure live action Pocahontas exists. I seem to remember Kevin Costner starring.

  70. A strike or the threat of one is their main tool by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

    In a unionized business with standardized employment contracts, the main way to get improvements is to change the standard contract. That requires multiple companies to cooperate in the formation of a new contract. In most cases, a strike or the threat of a strike is the only way to get all the parties to the table at the same time.

    One fix that seems fairly simple and would make the life of the writers easier: limit the scope of exclusivity deals. A series that only runs for a short season of 10 or 12 episodes should not trigger a full year of exclusivity. It's reasonable to expect that a staff writer should be able to work for two or three short season shows per year (depending on episode count and length) or combine one short season with a few freelance writing gigs for other programs. (Some shows use people who are not staff writers for some or all of their episodes.)

    Another problem that the writers face is that the average pay rate for people working in television, not just writers, is going down. Back when there were just the big three or four networks they paid top dollar for their people. The CW, cable networks, and streaming services don't pay as much, and that drags the average down. There isn't any simple cure for that, and the increased number of opportunities is a counterbalance to falling pay: it may be harder to make a good salary but more people get an opportunity to make some kind of living at writing.

    Now that the audiences of the big networks are declining they're also going to be making cuts in pay. I doubt we will ever again see actors who get a million dollars per episode of any show that is not already on the air. The three leads of The Big Bang Theory get that much; nobody else comes close. Lauren Graham and Alexis Bledel got $750,000 for each of the four Gilmore Girls revival episodes but they're double length (1.5 hours each). Next closest is Mark Harmon, who gets $525,000 for NCIS. Source: http://stylecaster.com/highest...

  71. Even the most unskilled writer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can be a best selling author. Just look at the author of 50 shades of gray. She is downright terrible by anyone's standards... except the market's. The hard truth is that writing is a soft skill that anyone can do. Therefore, a writer's strike will do nothing to save the profession when any broke liberal arts graduate can do your job for pennies.

  72. that's what caused "reality" shows to flourish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was more than a decade ago, and the studios reacted by making "reality" shows mainstream, then add "america got $stuff"-type shows.