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Amazon Wants To Put a Camera and Microphone in Your Bedroom (vice.com)

On Wednesday, Amazon announced the Echo Look, the latest gadget in the company's new Echo-powered hardware lineup. Motherboard explains: The newly announced Echo Look is a virtual assistant with a microphone and a camera that's designed to go somewhere in your bedroom, bathroom, or wherever the hell you get dressed. Amazon is pitching it as an easy way to snap pictures of your outfits to send to your friends when you're not sure if your outfit is cute, but it's also got a built-in app called StyleCheck that is worth some further dissection. [...] "All photos and video captured with your Echo Look are securely stored in the AWS cloud and locally in the Echo Look app until a customer deletes them," a spokesperson for the company said. "You can delete the photos or videos associated with your account anytime in the Echo Look App." Motherboard also asked if Echo Look photos, videos, and the data gleaned from them would be sold to third parties; the company did not address that question.

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  1. God no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nope nope nope nope nope god no nope.

    1. Re:God no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nopers.

      Ages ago, a former Houston chief of police was saying that cameras in bedrooms was a good idea. Now, we get people wanting to pay for that. (Remember, if Amazon can look at something, any police department can.)

    2. Re:God no by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Ok, it's not quite the same form as the Telescreen in 1984...but damned close enough.

      Seriously folks...the novel, 1984 was supposed to be a fictional story, not a blueprint for society going forward!!!

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    3. Re:God no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The biggest mis-prediction by Orwell was that he failed to predict we would buy these devices voluntarily with our own money, and put them in our living rooms and bedrooms, carry them around in our pockets, all without being forced to do so. It took no force of law, no coercion.

      The world didn't look at his warning with horror, it looked at it with desire and said, "when can we buy that?".

    4. Re: God no by DaHat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That is a good solution indeed, for you, but you forget, we are not normal people, this camera is targeted at normal people.

    5. Re: God no by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Many people charge their cell phones in their bedroom. They have both a camera (usually pretty good too) and a mic. What we really need is laws which require that any device with a camera or a microphone have a physical disable that cannot be overridden by software.

    6. Re:God no by BigT · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "No. Your bum does that all on its own."

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    7. Re:God no by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Pick one: 1984 or Idiocracy.

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    8. Re: God no by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      Exactly. This camera is targeted at normal people. To be more specific, it's targeted at your bed so bad guys can hack it and spy on you while you're fucking your wife/mistress/girlfriend/realdoll.

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    9. Re: God no by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Um, I don't know about you, but while I do admittedly charge my phone on the bedside table, the phone is sitting usually face-up. That means the main camera is pointed at the table surface directly below it so it's useless, and the front-view camera is pointed at the ceiling. The only thing that front-view camera is ever going to see in that position is the belly of one of my cats when they decide to walk over it. (Sometimes the phone is face-down, but this isn't really any different, except that hackers will now have a higher-resolution view of my cat's underside.) The mic is definitely an issue though.

      The devices that come to mind immediately as a real danger in this way are these new "smart TVs", since on these any camera is pointing directly at the users in their normal TV-viewing positions. If the TV is in a bedroom, that means it's probably pointed at the bed and has an excellent view of whatever activity happens there. And why a TV could possibly need a camera and microphone, I have no idea. If we ever get to the point where we're Skyping people over TV screens, I can see the use, but we've had Skype-like technology for ages now and it's only rarely used for video chat it seems, and never on a TV that I've ever seen or heard of.

    10. Re:God no by slashrio · · Score: 2

      It wasn't really meant as fictional, as he has been discussing the reality of this with his teacher Aldous Huxley before, as we can learn from an article by Jan Irvin and Joe Atwill, describing their theory that, in short, banks and CIA work together to bring about a new age of peonage, for which a return to the Dark Ages would be needed, with the help of psychedelic (prescription?) drugs.
      It wasn't even a warning, well, maybe Huxley tried to warn, but rather an announcement made by Orwell.
      Expect some cognitive dissonance though...

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    11. Re:God no by avandesande · · Score: 2

      Why pick one? Brave New World, Idiocracy, 1984, Animal Farm all seem to be converging on us.

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  2. I might get one of these by Osgeld · · Score: 4, Funny

    Some hacker has the misfortune of seeing me butt ass, it would persuade them into a more legitimate profession PDQ

    1. Re:I might get one of these by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      If you're doing it as a public service to blind the hackers, perhaps a Kickstarter campaign is in order to finance the purchase. If donations reach above the threshold to buy one, then get extras and point them at printouts of Goatse.

  3. Automated Voyeurism! by chubs · · Score: 2

    Gone are the days where you have to wonder is there's a camera watching you dress or watching you be intimate in your bedroom. You never have to wonder again, because the answer is simply "Yes"! We will absolutely record your most private moments. Not only that, but we can automatically share them with the people who have no need to know. Have your parents been worried about how well you've been eating since you moved out? We'll send them a video of your latest BM!

    1. Re:Automated Voyeurism! by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Yet, how many people, pay any attention what so ever to where they place their smart phone, with microphone and cameras and dial home. What the hell is the purpose of echo, when you already have a smart phone invading your privacy in every way imaginable, especially after it has passed through US customs where they add programs.

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  4. Good morning, Dave by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I see you're having trouble merging with your wife tonight.

    May I suggest you update your Viagra drivers to the next version?

    1. Re:Good morning, Dave by sinij · · Score: 2

      I see you're having trouble merging with your wife tonight.

      May I suggest you update your Viagra drivers to the next version?

      The problem turned out to be a dangling pointer.

    2. Re:Good morning, Dave by digitig · · Score: 2

      No, it was a parity error. That wasn't his wife, it was his bit on the side.

      (Old Verity Stob joke)

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  5. Filed under: Nobody needs this! by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you can't get dressed on your own without seeking the approval of others (who aren't even in the same room with you) -- then you're already failing at life.

    I mean, I realize I'm a guy (and one of those "techie" types who is know not to care about clothing style as much as others). But this is ridiculous, no matter who you are. If you spent hard-earned money on pieces of clothing you've got hanging up in your closet, that means you liked them enough to buy them in the first place. You're just being petty and superficial if you start changing your mind about actually wearing what you, yourself liked and picked out, all because someone else (looking at a digital photo sent over the Internet) disagrees with you.

    1. Re:Filed under: Nobody needs this! by DaHat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You must not be married.

      While I am happy to grab whatever t-shirt is next in the closet (sometimes the wife tries to arrange them based on the next pair of pants/shorts in the dresser)... my wife is a fair bit more concerned about her look, even though she will often deny it.

      It took me a while to realize, but Amazon's target market for quite a few things isn't geeks like us who want some random PC part or book delivered the next day... it's our wives/girlfriends who this is geared towards. Just watch the product video, all women, all into fashion. Sure, not all women are, but if you see enough of them in the wild you see how/why this is a smart move to target them.

      Go a bit further, ask married couples around you: Who orders more on Amazon? Who has a higher income in the household? More often than not (doubly so in households with children), the wife spends more on Amazon while the husband is the one paying for most of it.

      Note: I'm not saying any of this is good or bad (wrt who spends and who pays), simply that it is a smart move by Amazon to further exploit an area they've targeted for quite some time.

    2. Re:Filed under: Nobody needs this! by naughtynaughty · · Score: 2

      Yes, we understand you are a guy who buys all sorts of tech equipment and talks excitedly about it with your friends and have no fashion sense.

      This isn't for you.

      Your perceived superiority over those who do want to look fashionable and enjoy clothes as much as you enjoy power supplies is, umm, something you should work on.

  6. Will be popular by DogDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think that something like this has the possibility of being really popular. People are really, really stupid, and have little sense of self respect any more.

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  7. Obligatory quote by AnalogDiehard · · Score: 2

    I felt a disturbance in the force, as if a billion teenage girls cried out all at once.

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  8. I don't want one but.... by fishthegeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is honestly kind of a brilliant way to float a "presence" balloon. IMHO: At first Amazon didn't get what Echo was. They thought of it as an internet connected speaker, when in reality it was a modern day "Thing" from the Addams Family. I think they've learned that lesson, but one of the most important attributes of Thing is that it understood who was where, and who was addressing it. A lack of contextual awareness is what makes all automation suck. I don't want motion sensors to know if I moved, I want home automation that knows which room I'm in. I also think this is a shot across Apple's bow.

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  9. Progress is great by Coisiche · · Score: 2

    How did the human race survive with just mirrors before this technology was developed?

    Just fine, if you're actually looking for an answer.

  10. Nope ^ 1000! by DrYak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    camera that's designed to go somewhere in your bedroom, bathroom, or wherever the hell you get dressed

    and

    All photos and video captured with your Echo Look are securely stored in the AWS cloud

    What. Could. Possibly. Go. Wrong.

    I think this deserve a new concept of "Nope-finity" to be invented, just to have a proper answer.

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    1. Re:Nope ^ 1000! by rickb928 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't care where they are stored.

      I care HOW they are USED.

      No, I won't be using any of these tools any time soon, if ever. Already these services are too intrusive.

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    2. Re:Nope ^ 1000! by burtosis · · Score: 2

      Pretty sure this product idea is more inciteful than insightful.

    3. Re:Nope ^ 1000! by Darth+Twon · · Score: 2
      I read that as:

      "All photos and video captured with your Echo Look are securely stored in the AWS cloud and locally in the Echo Look app until a customer deletes them,"

      As in: once you delete them, they no longer store them securely, they just store them normally in AWS. Or they store them somewhere else.

      And then:

      "You can delete the photos or videos associated with your account anytime in the Echo Look App."

      As in: What if they make copies that they don't associate with your account? I.e. in aggregate with all metadata stripped out? Is my naked backside metadata?

      Too paranoid?

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  11. Apparently and obviously.. by 3seas · · Score: 2

    The NSA, CIA, FBI and local police are board....

  12. crazy time by AndyKron · · Score: 2

    People have got to be fucking crazy if they want this

  13. Guesswork? by Phics · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been wondering lately if tech companies are just throwing technology at various populations to see what sticks. Is it cheaper to develop this crap and see if they stumble on something popular and trendy, or if they actually spend any time or effort researching and vetting ideas before developing them? Maybe I'm slowly going beige, but this idea just seems ludicrous to my dusty old brain.

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  14. Re:Not creepy, not at all ... by xtal · · Score: 2

    Times change. A quick purvey of the internet demonstrates women are posting a lot more than naked selfies up - for free - largely in exchange for instant validation.

    There's so much amateur porn out there now that it is likely social norms and acceptance are rapidly being biased.

    Chances are nobody cares WHAT you post online anymore.

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  15. why?!? by sootman · · Score: 4, Funny

    I imagine only teenage girls would be superficial enough that they'd feel the need to dress and undress in front of an Internet-connected camera so their outfits could be.... ...

    hang on, I need to order 10 of these and a copy of ORA's "Hacking the IoT".

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  16. Re:Amazon hasn't thought this out. by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2

    Alexa? Does this dress make me look fat?

    "No, the dress has nothing to do with it".

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  17. Re:OK I'm just too old. I know that now. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    How Slashdot users would use this:

    "Amazon, does this shirt and these trousers go together"
    "No, red jeans should never be paired with Hawaiian shirts"
    "Too late, it's already on my body"

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  18. Jailbait by grogger · · Score: 2

    This is where many stupidities collide. 1) 14 year old girl gets changed while talking on the phone 2) Says "It takes my picture when I say 'Photo me Echo'" 3) Echo takes picture of semi naked 14 year old 4) She says "And then I say 'Send it to everyone Echo'" 5) Picture goes to all her friends 6) School does random search of everyone's phone 7) All her friends charged with possession of Child porn and become sex offenders 8) Not sure who profits.

  19. Re:The mic was bad enough. by vux984 · · Score: 2

    When the echo first came out, I thought the last thing I wanted in my house was an always-on microphone. I stand corrected.

    Took me a few reads to realize you stand corrected because this is the new last thing you want. I originally read that as you changed your mind and like the amazon mic now.

    Frankly these are all abominations, but the bedroom fashion camera still comes in second to the trivially hacked camera equipped vibrator...

    https://www.dailydot.com/irl/c...

  20. Re:Jeff Peeping Bezos by sinij · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I agree with your "nakedness shouldn't matter" sentiment, in the current moral and legal context having underage kids changing outfits in front of the internet-connected camera that automatically uploads images to the cloud is all kinds of problematic.

  21. CP question by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What would happen if a child wandered in front of the camera nude, and amazon stored that on their server -- would they be responsible for CP?

  22. Nopefinity and beyond by DrYak · · Score: 2

    I care HOW they are USED.

    They tell you in the summary, so your friends can tell you if your outfit is cute.

    I think what the above poster wanted to say would have been more appropriately expressed as

    HOW they are ABUSED

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