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Chinese, European Space Agencies In Talks To Build a Moon Base (techcrunch.com)

ESA's Pal Hvistendahl has confirmed via Bloomberg that Chinese and European space agencies are talking with one another about plans to build a base on the moon. The discussions "involve working together to build a human-occupied 'moon village' from which both agencies can potentially launch Mars missions, conduct research, and possibly explore commercial mining and tourism projects," reports TechCrunch. From the report: China's upcoming projects in space include a mission to collect samples from the moon via an uncrewed craft by the end of this year, and to also launch an exploratory mission to the far side of the moon next year, with the similar aim of returning samples for study. The ESA's collaboration with China thus far include participating in the study of those returned samples, and potentially sending a European astronaut to the Chinese space station (which is currently unoccupied) at some future date.

88 comments

  1. Duh! by ls671 · · Score: 1

    Seriously?

    It seems obvious that will come one day or the other. Just watch 2001: A Space Odyssey

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    1. Re:Duh! by WarJolt · · Score: 4, Informative

      Obviously!!! They need to kill the Nazis that have been there since 1945 first.

    2. Re:Duh! by sheramil · · Score: 1
      Seriously?

      Atomic powered rockets! it seems obvious that will come one day or the other. Just read Heinlein.

    3. Re:Duh! by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 1

      It's some kind of nerdy meta-humor that Slashdotters tag this "Interesting" instead of "Funny", right?

      Right???

    4. Re:Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... you base your ideas of the future on decades-old fiction?

    5. Re:Duh! by quenda · · Score: 1

      Not sci-fi. The US and Russia have built and tested nuclear thermal rockets.

    6. Re:Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "To date, no nuclear thermal rocket has flown"

      It's sci-fi. And it's useless.

    7. Re:Duh! by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

      No, he's dead serious.

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    8. Re:Duh! by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      "'In German oder English, I know how to count down... Und I'm learnink Chinese,' says Wernher von Braun."

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    9. Re:Duh! by jwhyche · · Score: 3

      Twenty year ago the Chinese beating us back to the moon would have seemed like a joke to me. Now I'm hoping they make it. Really we have been squatting on this moon pot for far too long. Time to shit or get off the pot, as my grandmother would say.

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    10. Re:Duh! by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      "Once rockets go up who cares where they come down? That's not my department" - says Werner von Braun.

    11. Re:Duh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so are you, and you aren't squelched immediately, live and let live man

  2. Far side of the moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't want to go to the far side of the moon and we all know why.

    1. Re:Far side of the moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep. Awful WiFi.

    2. Re: Far side of the moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The danger and risk are probably too exciting and inviting for some.

    3. Re:Far side of the moon by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "There is no dark side of the moon, really.....

      ...matter of fact, it's all dark....."

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    4. Re:Far side of the moon by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "There is no dark side of the moon, really....."

      Some British AltRock Band members might disagree, they live very well from income that dark side of the moon provides.

    5. Re:Far side of the moon by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      "There is no dark side of the moon, really....." Some British AltRock Band members might disagree, they live very well from income that dark side of the moon provides.

      Well, to be fair...I *was* quoting the very last utterance off that album....

      ;)

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    6. Re: Far side of the moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they're making money on something they declared to not exist?

      Bloody genius, guvnah!

  3. There needs to be more of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Space exploration is both dangerous and expensive. By working together it will save on costs and reduce the dangers inherent with building 2 separate things. The americans stuffed up by not letting the chinese work with them on the ISS.... but at the same time they allowed the russians... wtf?

    Interestingly, while the chinese and americans don't cooperate on the ISS, the chinese can dock with the ISS because the interlocks were built by the russians for their Soyuz rockets which the chinese use too so who knows maybe one day the chinese space station and the ISS or its replacement will join up too. But probably not the ISS since its old and probably infested with superbugs like the previous space station.

    1. Re:There needs to be more of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Chinese can't dock with the Russians because of the Russians building anything. They can dock (and the Americans could too when we were flying the Shuttle) because they all use the same standard design. This was actually part of the justification for the Apollo-Soyuz test program way, back in the day. Aside from Detente, the program also proved that the USSR and the USA could build hatches to the same standard and successfully dock.

      In other words, the docking ability is no happy coincidence based on ad-hoc contracting. It's by design and probably by international agreement for the reason that nobody would want to be in space and not be able to get rescued simply because they didn't adhere to the docking standard!

  4. News for nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A breath of fresh air.

  5. China is now the world leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    In economics and policy Trump has destroyed the US and given world leadership to China.

    1. Re:China is now the world leader by yodleboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      i'm not impressed with Trump, but come on. In less than 100 days he's responsible for NASA not having a vision or funding and not doing manned missions outside of LEO since Apollo? Other countries have goals in space, they've come to the realization that meeting those goals no longer HAS to involve NASA expertise. That's not a situation of Trump's making. I think you can find plenty to pin on him, but not this.

    2. Re:China is now the world leader by GNious · · Score: 1

      Huh? Didn't Trumpy declare that Americans will land on Mars during his presidency?

    3. Re:China is now the world leader by yodleboy · · Score: 2

      And Obama declared "been there" with regards to a return to the moon. Instead he chose to give NASA a mandate to get to Mars. Something NASA knew was not feasible given current funding levels. I would prefer a lasting stepping stone on the moon to a publicity stunt on Mars. People climbing Everest have various base camps. You acclimate, you learn, you have a reasonable chance for help. Only an idiot would make a one shot attempt at Everest OR Mars, but man it sure sounds cool when the cameras are rolling.

    4. Re:China is now the world leader by GNious · · Score: 1

      Earth-Moon L1 space station .... :p

    5. Re:China is now the world leader by Jzanu · · Score: 2

      No, Trump is responsible for gutting the current year NASA budget. You are responsible for not understanding the value and necessity of the research done since Apollo.

    6. Re:China is now the world leader by yodleboy · · Score: 2

      Gutting the perpetually underfunded NASA budget? I'd see it more as Trump telling congress, "if you're not going to spend the money it takes to do the mission, you get no more money for manned flight".

      Anyway, I never said there was no value post Apollo from NASA, only that manned flight has been stagnant in LEO since the mid 1970s. Most people would say that the advances and research done since then should make travel beyond LEO MORE attainable. We should be able to go back to the moon at lower cost in real dollars than it cost in 1968. Sadly, that's not the case. While we may have all kinds of amazing advances, NASA seems to feel that the only way to put men in space is still the cost is no object approach. I would suggest that in the last 3 decades, NASA has been the beneficiary of advances in materials and technology more often than it has been the catalyst.

      The cutting edge at NASA is unmanned exploration. Nothing wrong with that, but you can't expect other countries with manned space flight ambitions to just sit idly until the US and NASA get around to doing something again. There's a spirit to the guys in the unmanned programs that has been lost, or killed, on the manned side.

    7. Re:China is now the world leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean Trump is frustrated that he got picked last among the new anti-Republican republicans and is screaming "I'm taking my ball and going home!", right?

    8. Re:China is now the world leader by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Nope, NASA is still the benefactor.

  6. Trump = USA left behind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You gonna see more of that, "USA First", and all others say "Sure".

  7. Chinese-European partnership by jandersen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There has been a slow, but steadily increasing approach between China and Europe for the last couple of decades, in many ways: trade agreements, Chinese interest in European education and scientific development, even what could be the first, tenuous signs of political alignment. One of the reasons, in my view, is simply that Europe isn't the US - America has for many years employed a very aggressive rhetoric against China, where Europe has been more moderate, and it does seem to have left a lasting impression. On that background, I don't think it is at all surprising that they will build a Moon base together. I think it is great that China shows leadership and determination in this hugely important area; sure, it stings a bit that we in the West aren't in the lead, but I'm sure the Chinese will allow America to take part, when they are ready to commit to it.

    1. Re:Chinese-European partnership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'm sure the Chinese will allow America to take part"

      Not too sure about that since the us blocked china when they were ready to commit to the ISS. Also until america has heavy lift capability again the axis of development is likely to be china-russia-europe.

    2. Re:Chinese-European partnership by SumterLiving · · Score: 1

      President trump has a great relationship with China. We know this because he said so. All this greatness is because of the very bestest and bigly, big league "Beautiful Chocolate Cake Diplomacy" carried out by POTUS. The world will probably become a better place because trump is president. All other countries will likely increase their cooperation with each other leaving the Donald to stomp home in tears while twitter whining the days and weeks away.

    3. Re:Chinese-European partnership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. Reality check needed. First of all, they are not building a base together. They are reportedly "talking" about doing such a thing but there is no timeline in place. Which makes sense seeing as neither has been to the moon. As far as the US not leading in this important area, the US has been talking about a moon base for decades. This story is politically interesting though. Why did the community mod your post up? It is an obvious troll post. No information and presentation of a false and inflammatory position.

    4. Re:Chinese-European partnership by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      There has been a slow, but steadily increasing approach between China and Europe for the last couple of decades, in many ways: trade agreements, Chinese interest in European education and scientific development, even what could be the first, tenuous signs of political alignment. One of the reasons, in my view, is simply that Europe isn't the US - America has for many years employed a very aggressive rhetoric against China, where Europe has been more moderate, and it does seem to have left a lasting impression. On that background, I don't think it is at all surprising that they will build a Moon base together. I think it is great that China shows leadership and determination in this hugely important area; sure, it stings a bit that we in the West aren't in the lead, but I'm sure the Chinese will allow America to take part, when they are ready to commit to it.

      Europe basically would sell their own mother for a nickel if they could get some kind of money out of it from China. That's why their interests are aligning. As a person who's spent a lot of time in Europe and used to work for a European company in the USA, I'm not just some kind of xenophobic American talking here. Good grief. A few years ago some high ranking British cabinet official acted like a giddy school girl when President Xi came over for a visit. I thought the guy's comments to the press were completely ridiculous for a cabinet minister to say. Europe has no spine, so they turn a blind eye to China's constant threat to invade Taiwan. When is the last time in your life that a major power threatened to invade a much small country (Or "province" if you are European and buy China's bs line on this) simply because that other country wouldn't bow down to it in obedience? Geez, the closest example I can think of is the Czechoslovakian situation right before World War II started. Does any European government even dare to suggest that it would be unacceptable for China to invade Taiwan? Nope. Because that would require the EU countries to have a spine. Even the UK, who honestly gets very little out of their China trade, lacks the spine to even suggest that China could really tone down the rhetoric a bit with regards to Tibet. Nobody in the EU has any kind of conscience about China and as long as cheap Chinese made good keep coming over, they'll shrug every Chinese outrage off.

      I have no personal problem with China and the European Space Agency putting a base on the moon and if that spurs the USA to do so too, that would be great. But people in the EU and China are not in agreement because of any reason other than the EU members have no soul and they can be bought off on anything for the right price.

    5. Re:Chinese-European partnership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "There has been a slow, but steadily increasing approach between China and Europe for the last couple of decades" -- you can say that about China and the USA just as readily, no news there. The trade agreement breakthrough for China was entrance in to the World Trade Organization in 2001, not anything special to Europe (or the USA).

    6. Re:Chinese-European partnership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, come on. What's going to happen is China will invest a whole bunch of money and time building a base on the Moon, and then they'll send up a bunch of military astronauts, kick everyone else out, and claim the Moon is 'their sovereign territory', ala South China Sea, and threaten military action against anyone who challenges their claim. This of course is why the U.S. needs to go back to the Moon and build their own colony there. Or do you really think China's communist totalitarian governments' pattern of behavior, is going to 'play nice' with other countries? Hell, no, they want supremacy and they don't really give a damn what they have to do to get it, and having a permanent military presence on the Moon is taking the ultimate high ground. This cannot be allowed to happen. Otherwise you'd all better start learning to speak read Mandarin.

    7. Re:Chinese-European partnership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always wondered how it feels to be paranoia.

      Thanks for this wonderful insight.

    8. Re:Chinese-European partnership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not 'paranoia' when there's plenty of history of prior behavior to back up a prediction of future bad behavior. Or are you just a Chinese national here to astroturf the American Internets? In any case, fuck off. Anyone who actually would trust China is either a fool or their tool.

    9. Re:Chinese-European partnership by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean, the just behave like Americans do?
      OK...

    10. Re:Chinese-European partnership by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      wait until you increase your trade with them. You will be sorry.

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    11. Re:Chinese-European partnership by dryeo · · Score: 2

      When is the last time in your life that a major power threatened to invade a much small country (Or "province" if you are European and buy China's bs line on this) simply because that other country wouldn't bow down to it in obedience?

      Well if you include actually invading as well as threatening, then my whole life has seen America, a major power, threatening or actually invading much smaller countries that wouldn't bow down in obedience. Examples range from most countries in Central America (especially Cuba) to Afghanistan, who wouldn't extradite someone without any evidence.

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  8. US may end up being the one out on a limb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    The US has spent decades keeping China closed out from space. The "International Space Station" is really the "Anyone except China Space Station".

    Its possible that this new development may end up turning that on its head -- the US won't work with China in Space, but just as much as China can't join any US-led project, it also means that the US will not be able to join in any Chinese project. If the Europeans and others are joining those projects, the US is going to find themselves out in the cold.

    The US has been very dogmatic about that rule, but I wonder how long they're going to be able to hold on it if everyone else is collaborating?

    1. Re:US may end up being the one out on a limb by rkordmaa · · Score: 2

      NASA specifically is not playing with China, its an official policy, that was caused by China nicking quite a bit of defense related know-how.

    2. Re:US may end up being the one out on a limb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Like gunpowder?

    3. Re:US may end up being the one out on a limb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^ hehe.. thats is funny.

  9. Tough talk, but not unwarranted. by greygoblin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is true. The US has burned some bridges with it's foreign policy regarding China. But, before we lament what that means for future opportunities, it's worth recalling why; from the outright theft of IP, to humanitarian concerns regarding political prisoners, religious persecution, Tibet, freedom of navigation in the Global Commons that is the South China Sea, and including their tolerance for the North Korean situation. China may become a player in space exploration, that's unavoidable at this point, but that doesn't mean the US should regret the hard lines it's taken over the years.

    1. Re:Tough talk, but not unwarranted. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sure, but how about some whataboutism for you?
      US courts doesn't give a flying fuck about foreign IP so there is outright theft of IP going that way too.
      The US tortures political prisoners too.
      Religious persecution is being ramped up in the US at the moment with Trumps hate against Muslims.
      It is also not very hard to find plenty of countries both in South America and in the Middle East where the US have acted pretty bad.

      Now of course this is all just the Government that did it. If you look at average Joe in either country they are all pretty much the same.
      What sets the Chinese government aside is that while they aren't exactly democratic and use very strong handed methods to prevent political opposition, unlike other non-democratic countries, they appear to want to make things better for their people.
      The same can't be said for the current US government.

    2. Re:Tough talk, but not unwarranted. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US is just as bad in many aspects. I don't trust either country's government, but at this point I think China is a more trustworthy partner for this kind of enterprise.

    3. Re:Tough talk, but not unwarranted. by jandersen · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      the outright theft of IP, to humanitarian concerns regarding political prisoners, religious persecution, Tibet, freedom of navigation in the Global Commons that is the South China Sea, and including their tolerance for the North Korean situation

      I think, in so many ways, that it is more than a little sanctimonious, when the US points the finger at others for doing or having done what the US themselves have done or continue to do. IP theft was common practice in the US until the day when it turned out to be more profitable to protect US companies' own IP rights. The LOTR books were (in-)famously printed and sold in the US without Tolkien's permission, until he somehow managed to put a stop to it. And of course, with the widespread opposition to DRM amongst /. readers, IP rights is perhaps a slightly uncomfortable subject any way?

      Political prisoners, religious persecution: no doubt there are cases, where China could be much more tolerant of political opposition without endangering the stability of the country, but I think it is wrong to think that every person called "political prisoner" by hostile agancies are not in fact criminals that ought to be locked up. As for religious persecution: apart from Falun Gong and the Tibetan feudal lords, who is being persecuted for their religion now? If we're talking about American evangelicals not being allowed in to preach about how "communism is against God", then I can't see the problem, to be honest; they are nothing more than political agitators tryng to stir up trouble. And again, can we in the West truly accuse China of any of these things without being hypocrites, in the light of things like Muslim-bans etc?

      As for Xizang and the South China Sea, I think it is a well-established principle that whatever you can hold on to, belongs to you; it has certainly worked for the US, I think. And Israel, come to think of it. Do I think the world should be as uncivilised as this? No, not really, but it is.

      Finally, North Korea is a growing problem and embarrasment for China, as I am sure they are acutely aware. I can't see how anybody can quickly solve that problem without massive loss of life. Sanctions and withdrawal of Chinese support is only likely to make the situation worse, at least for the country's own people - and their leaders apparently don't care much about that. I think China only tolerates the North Korean leadership's madness, because the alternatives would be worse - for now.

    4. Re:Tough talk, but not unwarranted. by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Religious persecution is being ramped up in the US at the moment with Trumps hate against Muslims.

      Muslims' ideology is despicable. Do you have a problem with hate against Nazis?

    5. Re:Tough talk, but not unwarranted. by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Falun Gong is strictly speaking not forbidden because it is a religion, but for two main reasons:
      a) they started to advice their members to reject certain medical treatments, that put them under investigations
      b) because of the investigations, they started mass demonstrations, thousands of sitting blockades all over China

      Showing the government how many they are and being able to organize such big demonstrations urged the government to forbid them.

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    6. Re:Tough talk, but not unwarranted. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, but how about some whataboutism for you?

      Who gives a fuck? It is all irrelevant to the topic at hand.

  10. Yeah but just...why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why wasting money, energy and time there?

    1. Re:Yeah but just...why? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Nice. But to be fair, the bill seems to be about declaring the landing site a national park, not actually building something there. That article even mentions that only the artifacts would be declared as such, which makes more sense as the moon is not US territory.

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  11. Predictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Europe doesn't like Chinese taking control, so they quit

  12. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now when we go to the moon we will need to build a wall to keep out the chinks, wops, and dagos.

    1. Re:Great by ls671 · · Score: 1
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  13. Space 1999 and UFO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Better ask the British for permission first.

    The S.H.A.D.O. maintains a MoonBase as one of its first lines of defence against UFOs. This MoonBase is located in the Sea of Tranquillity and is in constant communication with the S.I.D., or Space Intruder Detector, and three interceptors are maintained there in a state of almost-constant standby.

    1. Re:Space 1999 and UFO by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      I won't be happy until the female lunar astronauts start wearing purple wigs!

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    2. Re:Space 1999 and UFO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and tinfoil minidresses, don't forget the tinfoil minidresses

  14. time to brush up on Lunar Command by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    still enjoy that old game

  15. Put down the crack pipe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put down the crack pipe.

    The International Space Station cost $150 billion. A moon base could cost ten times more than that.

    Your feelings and reading a "feel good" article aren't going to make a moon base happen.

    1. Re:Put down the crack pipe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The International Space Station has a Soyuz capsule attached at all times for emergency evacuation.

      The Moon on the other hand is 2 weeks away. The danger factor in both the trip there and the return trip are very high.

      There might be "talk" of the idea of a moon base, but actually making one happen would require literally "astronomical" amounts of resources.

    2. Re:Put down the crack pipe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It could, but it won't, since the cost of sending things into space has fallen by 90% since the ISS was constructed.

    3. Re:Put down the crack pipe by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      The Moon on the other hand is 2 weeks away.

      And yet Apollo made it there in 2 & a bit days!

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      Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.

    4. Re:Put down the crack pipe by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Moon on the other hand is 2 weeks away.

      And yet Apollo made it there in 2 & a bit days!

      Well duh! That was 50 years years ago. Traffic is hell these days.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    5. Re:Put down the crack pipe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      please sir, accept this internet, you deserve it!

    6. Re:Put down the crack pipe by WallyL · · Score: 1

      Nobody goes there anymore -- it's too crowded.

  16. Take the U.S. threat seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seeing the EU and China colaborate so closely on this, is NOT in the interest of the U.S., and with everything we've learned from the recent NSA and CIA fallout, China and the EU must assume the worst and secure all systems in order to avoid spying, breach of your systems, and even sabotage and the loss of equipment and life.

  17. Moon Village by daedlanth · · Score: 1

    On the moon we're going to build a YMCA!!!!!!! He he he; exclaimed the hardhat guy.

  18. We need to get there first!!! by B1700 · · Score: 1

    Before they start throwing rocks at us.

  19. Great - two Communist Mastodon on the Moon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully they will not fall back to earth ....

  20. Uh huh. by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    We are so far away from a "moon base" it is ridiculous. Simply supplying it would be a nightmare. Never might actually getting there, never mind actually constructing something, never mind about a million other things... I don't see it happening in my lifetime.

    1. Re:Uh huh. by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      That's how the US got to the moon! That's how we invented velcro! With a "no can do" attitude. Keep going, man.

    2. Re:Uh huh. by Rob+Lister · · Score: 2

      Getting stuff there, i.e. habituate and keeping it supplied, is probably the least difficult part of it. It's a fairly shallow gravity well that puts the costs at not much more (less than twice) that of putting a satellite in Geostationary orbit.

      Getting the actual people there (and back) is the costly part. "Stuff" doesn't require four or five levels of fail-safe. "Stuff" doesn't need to take a shit or get sick or argue about politics.

      I do see it happening in my lifetime, and I'm pretty fucking old.

      I do not see much profit in it however, other than bragging rights.

    3. Re:Uh huh. by Jeremi · · Score: 2

      Getting the actual people there (and back) is the costly part. "Stuff" doesn't require four or five levels of fail-safe. "Stuff" doesn't need to take a shit or get sick or argue about politics.

      Then the solution seems pretty straightforward: send only "stuff" up there for the first few years.

      Once the "stuff" has organized itself (because robots) and is looking pretty good, then send up some human beings, if you still want to. They can walk right into to their prefab moon-hotel.

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      I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
  21. Moon dust? by spinitch · · Score: 1

    They figure out how to deal with the abrasive moon dust? What are the advantages of a moon base vs an orbiting space station?

    1. Re:Moon dust? by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      Well, the Moon gives you gravity. Not a lot, but it's still far better than free fall. You drop something, you pick it up off the floor instead of worrying about another piece of space junk in proximity to your craft. It also gives you a support structure on which to build stuff (though that's really only important because of the gravity, I suppose). And it could be a supply of materials so you don't have to haul everything from Earth. And if you build your base in a polar crater, you can get more or less eternal shade and sunshine as you like it.

      Back to the gravity, though... I'd love to see a long-duration mission to the Moon even if we just park an astronaut in a tin can on the surface. We have NO data on the long term effects of low-g on the human body, and our relatively nearby neighbour could give us valuable information that tells us something about how viable Mars is for human occupation.

  22. For pennies on the dollar by thunderclees · · Score: 1

    At least the EU and the PRC are putting all that money they saved on the International (sic) Space Station that the US paid the lion share for and are putting it to good use.

    1. Re:For pennies on the dollar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chinese wants to pay for ISS. I wonder which country kept PRC out of the ISS project.

  23. All Your Bases Are Belong to Us! by neoRUR · · Score: 1

    All Your Bases Are Belong to Us!

  24. Just In Time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's going to be a nuclear accident that blows the Moon out of orbit with the Earth. We have to get that Moon Base up and running before that happens!

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072564/?ref_=nv_sr_1

    Otherwise we won't get the Eagle spaceships. And I want an Eagle spaceship.