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Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Fall Creators Update, the Next Major Update To Desktop OS (betanews.com)

Posted by msmash on from the up-next dept.

At its developer conference on Thursday, Microsoft announced that the next major update to its desktop operating system will be called Windows 10 Fall Creators Update. It will be made available in September later this year. The update will come with several new features: Timeline, Pick Up Where You Left Off, Clipboard, OneDrive Files On-Demand, and Story Remix app among others. Timeline is a new feature that improves the Task View area to provide a list of apps and workspaces that you were using previously or on other devices. Think of it like a time machine for resuming old sessions. Timeline also combines with a new Pick Up Where You Left Off feature to let you resume sessions and apps on multiple devices. A report adds: "With Files On-Demand, you can access all your files in the cloud without having to download them and use storage space on your device. You don't have to change the way you work, because all your files -- even online files -- can be seen in File Explorer and work just like every other file on your device," says Jeff Teper, corporate vice president, Office, OneDrive and SharePoint teams. [...] Windows 10 Fall Creators Update will continue the use of Project Neon, which now has an official name of "Microsoft Fluent Design System." It is important to note that this design focus is not a Windows 10 FCU feature, but something Microsoft intends to implement in apps across platforms and device types. End users should start to experience it more with FCU, however. [...] Windows 10 Fall Creators Update will come with a new app called "Windows Story Remix." This app is designed to help users transform their existing photos and videos. This tool can be used to create stories from content in a fun way.

121 comments

  1. Maybe they should get the current update working? by danomac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been reading about problems with the current update, maybe they should fix it first?

  2. Windows FCU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    How's that pronounced?

    1. Re:Windows FCU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not a native English speaker, but I'd say it's "fuck you".

    2. Re: Windows FCU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      H1B shitty indo-chimps have outsourced brand name random generator back to smelly shitty jungles.

  3. Windows 10 Fail Update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With new "Flies On-Demand" technology.

    No thanks.

  4. Fall Creators? by DickBreath · · Score: 1

    An update for the creators of falls? On Windows?

    Windows 10 Fall Creators Update.

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    1. Re:Fall Creators? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

      Windows 10 Fails Creator

      FTFY - V'Ger is pissed. Exterminate all the carbon units!

    2. Re:Fall Creators? by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      V'Ger must have had a biological boot loader. So wouldn't it save carbon units? Wouldn't it's carbon unit creators have had their own version of the four laws of robotics?

      0. Can't cause or allow through inaction the extinction of ${carbon-unit} species.
      1. Can't cause or allow through inaction the death of a single ${carbon-unit}, unless it conflicts with the previous laws.
      2. Must obey ${carbon-unit} orders unless it conflicts with the previous laws.
      3. Must protect its own existence unless it conflicts with the previous laws.

      But would V'Ger's biological bloat loader have been UEFI?

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    3. Re:Fall Creators? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      did V'ger absorb a dalek?

  5. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Current update? Try current OS.
    I still have issues that should've been fixed already that I have had since it has rolled out.

    Also, the people who decided that the Project Neon was a good idea need to be lined up and shot.

  6. FCU = Fuck you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft fucks its users again.

    1. Re: FCU = Fuck you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And /. keeps fucking its readers by linking to garbage by this betanews faggot without any real source links.

    2. Re: FCU = Fuck you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What do you expect. /. staff have trained and replaced themselves with cheap shit H1B smelly indian chimps with phony degrees.

  7. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the past, every week, Windows 10 informs me that there are updates. I let the updates install. The screen goes blank for several hours. I remove the updates and go back to work. Haven't installed any further updates.

  8. With Files On-Demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    With Files On-Demand, we can access all your files in the cloud (and sell them on to the highest bidder)

  9. Project Neon / Fluent Design System by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems to me like Microsoft hasn't fully learned the lesson that desktop/laptop users don't want a touch-centric iTunes style user interface. If you look at some of the screenshots, we're back to monochrome icons and flat totally featureless windows. I wonder if menus will even make an appearance, and if they do, they'll be back to ALL CAPS.

    I'm all for having something like this in Tablet Mode. But come on guys, Windows Phone is dead. There's no reason to force PC users to use a phone-inspired interface. This honestly looks like what MS did with Visual Studio 2013 -- removed all the color, made the default text color an unreadable gray on white, etc. It took the developers complaining bitterly to get both Visual Studio and Office to have some color and visual differentiation again.

    1. Re:Project Neon / Fluent Design System by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That's not at all related to Neon or Fluent design. If anything this is less flat than the Windows 10 status quo.

  10. Re:Windows 10 is loaded with spyware by DickBreath · · Score: 3, Funny

    > Why would anyone use it?

    Because it's the best spyware. Trust me. The biggest spyware. And believe me, I know my spyware. Classy, beautiful stuff. Everyone who has used Microsoft spyware has just loved it. I promise. Bigly. I get calls all the time telling me how much people just love Microsoft's spyware.

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  11. So in other words... by Indy1 · · Score: 2

    they're just going to keep jamming more and more useless bullshitware into the OS that no one wants, no one will use, and continue to ignore bugs and other crapola in Windows

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    1. Re:So in other words... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Do you expect them to announce bug fixes 6 months out? You should actually see how many bugs they squash with these updates when they release them. The only people "ignoring" them are the marketing folk who know that people who want to know what new features are going to be present understand that bug fixes are par for the course.

      As for no one wants or will use, the files on demand feature sounds useful as does Pick Up Where You Left Off. Quit your whining just because they aren't doing what *you* want them to.

    2. Re:So in other words... by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

      So MS is taking a cue from the Cheetos of the US;
      They are creating a bigger issue to make us forget about the previous unresolved issues.

      Nice.

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    3. Re:So in other words... by JohnFen · · Score: 1

      As for no one wants or will use, the files on demand feature sounds useful as does Pick Up Where You Left Off.

      They do sound useful. It's too bad that they require placing so much trust in the likes of Microsoft.

    4. Re:So in other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should see the amount of bugs they introduce.

    5. Re: So in other words... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The problem is not the updates have bug fixes. The problem is that to get big fixes users have to get "features" they didn't want. Also a problem is that unlike the past, it was far easier to avoid a problematic update because it caused problems with your driver, programs, etc. For many if the update fails (which is a common occurrence with the current Windows update), your computer is unusable.

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  12. OneDrive Files On-Demand by fred6666 · · Score: 1

    This is actually a feature I was waiting for. These days tablets have a small 128 or 256 GB SSD but you can have 1 TB cloud storage which will now be much more useful.
    I hope they will add a feature to automatically delete the local copy of a file not used for X days.

    1. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This actually works both ways. Sometimes you DO want things on the local machine - such as when the tablet will be used offline. But that's workable if you can sync or copy a subset.

      Also, wasn't this kind of function part of OneDrive in Win7, but went away in Win8 or 10?

    2. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by coofercat · · Score: 1

      ...and actually, they need to make a half decent Mac version of OneDrive. Without that, general corporate adoption will always be "yeah, the Windows guys are all done, but the Mac guys keep using local files".

      That said, OneDrive doesn't integrate terribly well with Window 7 either, so maybe it'll just always be "well, some people use it for some stuff"...?

    3. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm as likely use that feature as to publish my entire hard disk to the public!

      You're already giving them all your execution information through "telemetry" (unless, like me, you've removed those updates) so they can track WHAT you're doing, you now want to give them all your private data to analyze and sell to advertisers, too???

      I'll keep my internal network clean and closed, thank you. I'd prefer not to have my (say) tax returns mined for information to sell.

    4. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is actually a feature I was waiting for.

      And my response was "this is a new feature?" Seriously, the technology to do this is as old as the 70s when it was really necessary, and it should have been an integrated feature of OneDrive from day one. Along with pervasive encryption. It's like their discussion of inclusion of more Linux distros. So, does this mean we can run Linux GUI apps now or that 99% of Ubuntu packages work out of the box? Because if not, it sounds like half-assed, narrow-minded focus on a specific use case for MS's benefit, not necessarily yours.

    5. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      general corporate doesn't really care or use Mac anyways

    6. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What sort of complete idiot would put their personal files/data on a corporate server ?

      The very first thing they'll do is trawl it for meta data to sell to advertisers, the **AA, the NSA etc. etc. Then they'll lose it (see the photographer who lost his lifes work after using Flickrs paid service after a bogus copyright infringement claim)

      The "cloud" is beyond fucking mindless.

    7. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      really what i'd like from MS is an easy way to permanently disable bullshit like skydrive and cortana. I get they want to push these things on users and it's a quaint notion... But FFS, i shouldn't have to manually edit the registry to permanently, completely, utterly remove them.

      I will never want to use cortana, and I sure as shit do not ever want to use skydrive.

      Just like I shouldn't have to resort to trickery to disable the automatic reboot that some updates foist on me. I don't give a fuck what you think my working hours are -- i'll reboot my machine when *I* choose to.

    8. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OneDrive shits itself on a regular basis across all the computers I use for work. I wouldn't depend on any of its functionality, particularly if that functionality is even remotely complex.

    9. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OneDrive shits itself on a regular basis across all the computers I use for work.

      Yup. Despite not being an MS fan, I thought Onedrive seemed fairly neat for storing files I could edit between my work desktop and work laptop (yes, I get both supplied so I don't have to tote my laptop to work on public transport). But after a while I kept getting errors something like 'unable to reconcile multiple file versions, creating duplicate' or whatever the fuck it says, even though i only have *one* of my laptop and desktop PCs running at any given time so problems like this should *never* happen.

    10. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by unixisc · · Score: 1

      This is actually a feature I was waiting for. These days tablets have a small 128 or 256 GB SSD but you can have 1 TB cloud storage which will now be much more useful. I hope they will add a feature to automatically delete the local copy of a file not used for X days.

      I thought that this was already there. Like a couple of years ago, when I had a low end WinBook w/ just 16GB of storage (as opposed to your 'low' of 128 or 256), what I did was have an off-line download of OneDrive (then SkyDrive) on the SD card, which also was the target drives for 'My Documents' and everything else. So that whenever I saved anything, a single operation ensured that there were 2 copies - both one on OneDrive and one on my SD card. Since then, when that WinBook broke down, I could just get everything from that SD card to my next Windows laptop.

      Currently, my Windows laptop is an Acer w/ 5GB of storage. So what I did was simply have OneDrive out there offline, but didn't this time bother to keep the SD card in, except for updating all the needed files. That way, if the worst happens to this, my next computer can just get the OneDrive stuff and pick up where it left off. So how is this 'on-demand' 'feature' different from what they already have?

    11. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I have disabled Cortana, or avoid using it in the first place, but SkyDrive/OneDrive has been pretty useful. I agree w/ you about the rebooting after the automatic updates, but while that indeed was an issue 2 years ago, now Windows offers you the option of disabling/defering reboot whenever you want.

    12. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Like I mentioned in response to the previous poster, I always have my stuff offline. But it's a shadow of the OneDrive contents, so that the sync'ing is automatic. That way, I don't need to remember to sync it, or wonder which version is what.

    13. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The sort of idiot that would like to have a remote backup that they don't lose. Yeah, you can suggest 'Buy a separate external 1TB drive and put all your files there', and I've done that as well. But excavating it from somewhere, and then copying it is a lot more time consuming than logging into an online storage account and restoring data from there. And if it's Microsoft that one is paranoid about, one can always use Dropbox, iCloud, or any number of other services.

    14. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't Mac users automatically go w/ iCloud? I use OneDrive for my iPhone backups, but only b'cos I have 1TB there as a result of my Office 365 license.

    15. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      I don't know what your setup is but with the latest version of windows and one drive, you can't browse your cloud files in the file manager without syncing (downloading a local copy). So either you sync it or you don't. But if you don't, you must manually either sync the file or get it from a web browser, which is painful in both cases.

    16. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I did the latter - created a local copy. Actually, when I download OneDrive from the Windows Store and run it, it creates that for me in File Explorer. I work on files directly from there, and so at the end of my session, the OneDrive file is what gets updated. So no manual sync'ing of the file

      And when I was really cramped for storage, I set it up so that the SkyDrive download was on the SD card. Actually, that one was a bit of a fiasco, when I had that WinBook. Initially, I could save it on the SD card, but later, Microsoft did an update that would force one to have the shadowed copy on the C:\ itself. So I stopped using that, but when I got the laptop w/ 500GB, I had no issues giving OneDrive the C:\ space it wanted.

    17. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      I did the latter - created a local copy.

      But you still have a local copy. The whole point of this feature is NOT having a local copy. Not on SD card, not on main storage, nothing. And still be able to seamlessly access files.

    18. Re:OneDrive Files On-Demand by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      windows 10 home has removed the ability to prevent the automatic reboots. (work machine, for whatever inexplicable reason it's running 10 home.)

  13. No thanks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I will take the bug fix. I don't want the extra crap you're adding on it.
    "Modern apps" are simply awful and are the cause of file extensions being reset to their default settings (meaning PDFs open with Edge, etc...). I was usually having my PDF application reset to Edge every few days before, since getting rid of ALL Modern apps, including the store and the xbox app, I haven't had a single issue with extensions being resets. So really, screw Microsoft for forcing us to use their crap on the pretense that "something went wrong". That "something" being the modern apps fucking up.

    1. Re:No thanks... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      PDFs being opened w/ Edge is the stupidest default Microsoft could have designed. Since all the PDF documents I'm usually interested in is offline, and in case there is an online PDF that I need, I download it and then access it. Microsoft could have made either their Reader the default, or allowed Adobe Acrobat to be the default if and once it was downloaded.

      I don't want any application to open Edge, unless I go to Edge myself for normal web browsing, not the 'masquerade as an app' service.

  14. Re:Windows 10 is loaded with spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would anyone use it?

    Because some people are weak, lazy and must follow the herd.

  15. Pick Up Where You Left Off by TFlan91 · · Score: 1

    This features sounds interesting...

    Is this what will lead to me being able to wave my hand from the monitor to the tv and have my app follow me? If so, ok, good job M$, I like that... but only that.

    1. Re:Pick Up Where You Left Off by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Wondering if there will be any improvements to Wine this release.

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    2. Re:Pick Up Where You Left Off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn it, it sounds like hibernation/suspend.

  16. Re:Windows 10 is loaded with spyware by freeze128 · · Score: 2

    Games.

  17. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    If you're talking about the Anniversary Update, I had to do a clean install on my Dell laptop. I'm hoping it will be necessary for the next update.

  18. Here we go again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great, so the next time my computer updates itself to this (without asking me), I can YET AGAIN figure out how to turn off Cortana, OneDrive, and reset my default browser preference.

  19. Broken Hardware by darkain · · Score: 2

    Each new "update" to Windows breaks an undisclosed piece of hardware. We've seen the removal of DVD support. We've seen the removal of web cams. And from the security side, the March update for Windows broke smart cards (used by DoD, secure businesses) - I've literally had to run VMWare with a Windows 7 VM ever since on my work machine because I'm the I.T. tasked with "testing" Win10 to see if the entire company could use it. Since smart cards don't work anymore, things have become an absolute pain in the ass, since that is what we use for SSH authentication, which includes both server shell access and git access (things used literally every few minutes here). I can only imagine which critical hardware they'll cripple next.

    1. Re:Broken Hardware by Icyfire0573 · · Score: 1

      I've been experiencing other odd issues with SmartCards related to windows 10. I couldn't tell you what version of Windows 10 I'm on at my office. But, it's the weirdest damned thing I've experienced. I've been able to use my smartcard (yubikey) with windows 10 to the point where I've been able to load my certificate into pagent and ssh access my normal resources, but when logging into the domain it only lets me access local resources. So every time I elevate on my local computer to manage the domain, it says I don't have access.

    2. Re:Broken Hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As they did for webcams (inserted a layer to copy a compressed webcam feed, saving the system from decompressing then compressing the NSA's copy, thus potentially alerting the user to high CPU load...) Microsoft has back-doored the smart card system to export keys to the NSA each time they load.

    3. Re: Broken Hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, but they could at least make sure that their own systems still worked with the backdoor in place. Is that too much to ask or is it their tacit safeguard against your keys getting stolen using their systems for "legitimate" use

    4. Re: Broken Hardware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He he he, c'mon, of course that's *too much* to ask for!! The code quality from Microsoft is in the gutter, and the entire Win10 ecosystem serves as part of their QS and testing. So fill in your bug report, be a good boy, and maybe this will get fixed...maybe.

  20. Windows 10 FU by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least they didn't call it the "Fall Update"... the Windows 10 F.U.

  21. Wrong solution to the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > Timeline is a new feature that improves the Task View area to provide a list of apps and workspaces that you were using previously or on other devices. Think of it like a time machine for resuming old sessions

    Just bring back all of my opened apps in the state they were in before you rebooted my PC overnight, when I never asked you to, and I'll be happy.

    Simpler solution: Quit fucking rebooting my machine, even if you tell me you're going to. If I want to postpone the reboot for a week, that should be *my* decision. That's all I want.

    Seriously, I'm about to schedule a task to run "shutdown -a" (abort) every 2 minutes and have it run 24/7.

    1. Re:Wrong solution to the problem by Hank+the+Lion · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please mod parent up.
      Preventing the regular rebooting of my computer "in the unused hours" (at night, when I sleep, announce at 2 AM that a reboot will take place at 4 AM so I will not be able to interfere) is a more urgent issue for me than these new features.
      And now, you can work with your offline files without downloading them! They have finally re-invented NFS! Hooray!

    2. Re:Wrong solution to the problem by hackel · · Score: 2

      Or you could just...you know...put your money where your mouth is and use an operating system that doesn't do this. Instead of continuing to support MS and just *hoping* that they eventually do what you want, when they have shown absolutel8y no inclination to do.

    3. Re: Wrong solution to the problem by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      You can disable the reboot check task in Scheduler. Google it.

    4. Re:Wrong solution to the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows updates have always required a restart. If you don't want a restart don't install updates. And yes, you CAN still disable updates, they just made that setting harder to access (you need to use the Group Policy editor or the registry).

      Reading these posts pisses me off. Windows 10 sucks for so many reasons that need to be addressed, but some people continue to bitch about a non-issue aka slightly hidden update settings.

  22. Windows 10 FaIl ? by itsme1234 · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who copy pasted the title to check if it includes "fail" with a funky PascalCase?

    1. Re:Windows 10 FaIl ? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who copy pasted the title to check if it includes "fail" with a funky PascalCase?

      Nope. :)

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  23. The 'upgrade' I'm waiting for: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm waiting for the 'Remove all spyware' upgrade, so it stops spying on everything I'm doing.
    Also waiting for the 'Not an advertising platform' upgrade, and the 'Returns total control of your system to the owner/user' upgrade.

    1. Re:The 'upgrade' I'm waiting for: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will have my solar powered electric pigs doing Mach 2 before you get any of those features.

  24. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

    Yah, the current update is a royal pain. Failed repeatedly for me, but kept on trying. So I did a manual download of the patch, and installed it. Worked fine.

    Unfortunately, the auto-update still thinks I need the update, so it dutifully tries every day to download and install the update, fails to do so, and reports that failure to me every morning.

    This AM got the first hint at the new version. Popup appeared telling me about the new thing, gave me the option of telling them all about my privacy settings right now, or telling me about them later. Notably did not include a "don't bother me anymore you idiot program, my privacy settings aren't your business now or ever". So I expect to see that popup every morning along with the "failed to install update"....

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  25. Re:Windows 10 is loaded with spyware by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    Because by merging their cloud with Explorer, the intent is that you'll just accidentally copy all your files over on to their servers.

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  26. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    What do you think these updates are if not just fixes? This is a brave new world of only service packs to fix anything other than major security holes.

  27. Re:Windows 10 is loaded with spyware by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    Until you find out that MS is using bing to upload all the stuff. Then you just block bing on a firewall and goodbye!

  28. Re:Windows 10 is loaded with spyware by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    Games run better on 7 across the board. "I have this problem, I run windows 10" is one of the most common complaints on steam, and patches are commonly openly stating that "fixed these problems on windows 10". Same games have a habit of running perfectly fine on 7 with no manifestation of win10-specific issues.

  29. Creators?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they trying to nudge in on Adobe's theme of Creative Suite? I mean will MS really infect every other useful application out there, appropriate it, bring it under the Windows roof and claim to be everything to everybody?

    What happened to being an operating system!?!

  30. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

    I had to do a clean install on my Dell laptop. I'm hoping it will be necessary for the next update.

    A user who hopes a clean install will be necessary after an update? You are Microsoft's dream come true!

  31. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have three Windows 10 PCs. So far, the Creators Update has been offered (at all) on two of them. On one of them, it installed successfully, but due to a bug in the graphics drivers, now BSODs whenever you do anything graphics intensive. On the other, it failed to install, and now it won't offer to install it at all. The third has simply never been offered the Creators Update.

    The Creators Update was released a month ago.

    Yeah, I'd call it a disaster.

  32. Re:Windows 10 is loaded with spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moooooooooo

  33. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    A user who hopes a clean install will be necessary after an update?

    Back in the WinXP days, I could do a clean install and reinstall all application in 45 minutes. I've done that only three times over the last ten years since Windows Vista.

  34. Ondrive files-on-demand don't work by ljw1004 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I never got the point of files-on-demand...

    * if the file was big enough to be worth leaving off my laptop's SSD, like a 5mb photo or 30mb video, then the delay in loading it inside file explorer is by no means "seamless" - I have to wait a long time with frozen file-open dialogs while the file downloads. (I'm on Comcast cable)

    * if the file is small enough for its download to be seamless, about 500k, then I might as well have left it on the SSD because it's so small.

    * if my one drive is large enough for files-on-demand to be useful (which it is, at 700gb and loads of files) then windows spends five days just downloading metadata for all of them.

    * if I need to work on a folder of photos, I basically have to tell onedrive to download the 1gb folder of photos, wait an indeterminate period of time (hours or days with no good indication of progress), then do my work.

    * I used files-on-demand because space on my SSD was to limited, but it gave me no good control to free up space when I no longer needed the files local.

    Well, that was my dismal experience with the previous iteration of demand before they abandoned it. I'll approach this one with an open mind.

    1. Re:Ondrive files-on-demand don't work by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Your two use cases have a very one sided view:

      1. Large file causing delay.
      2. Small file not causing disk space issues.

      You're leaving out some very relevant scenarios:
      3. Large files accessed rarely enough that the delay isn't an issue.
      4. A metric shitload of small files which together use a lot of disk space.

      Sometimes the desire to sync can outweigh many issues. I have several folders which fall into scenario 3 and my main working folder well and truly falls into scenario 4.

    2. Re:Ondrive files-on-demand don't work by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

      Your two use cases have a very one sided view:

      1. Large file causing delay.
      2. Small file not causing disk space issues.

      You're leaving out some very relevant scenarios:
      3. Large files accessed rarely enough that the delay isn't an issue.
      4. A metric shitload of small files which together use a lot of disk space.

      Sometimes the desire to sync can outweigh many issues. I have several folders which fall into scenario 3 and my main working folder well and truly falls into scenario 4.

      I kind of covered those...

      3. Large file accessed rarely enough? Of course delay isn't an issue, which is why I'm happy to navigate to the OneDrive website and download the file manually. It's a bit more clunky on the download side, but at least it gives me a solid progress indicator (much better than a "File>Open dialog that's frozen solid for an indeterminate length of time). And it gives me better accountability for when to delete the file after I'm done: I know where all my downloaded files are, which puts me in a better position to manage them.

      4. Loads of small files which together use a lot of disk space? -- yes, as I said, the loads of small files took almost a week of grinding before OneDrive was finally happy they were synced. Any large-scale manipulations of directories let to OneDrive repeatedly crashing and trying to resync over as many days again. And even just the metadata for all these files added up to 10gb+ on my 128gb SSD.

      I should say -- I recognize that loads of people want this feature. I'm probably even in the minority for believing it's conceptually flawed.

    3. Re:Ondrive files-on-demand don't work by unixisc · · Score: 1

      My reading of this was it being a continuous live backup of work you are doing, so that if you need to access it from another computer (or phone), you can.

    4. Re:Ondrive files-on-demand don't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps they have made an implementation that sucks less, and perhaps that crap is only properly usable with a fiber connection.

  35. feature fatigue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    after the last creators update I started getting a new(to me) kind of BSOD, no stop code just a notice that data is bein collected and uploaded. My first windows crash in years, including win 7. I uninstalled a program I didn't recognize from control panel and it worked. not sure if that was part of the update or some stealth bloatware but I don't recall installing or seeing any other updates go through, after that smooth sailing but if these new features come defaulted as ON then I will be seriously considering the move to Linux for my daily computing needs. I'll keep a VM around of Windows until I get familiar and comfortable enough with Linux but hate having to clean out my start menu and uninstall useless apps I don't use, or find a way to disable apps that I don't use but don't have an uninstall button.

  36. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by gregarican · · Score: 1

    I could do a clean install and reinstall all application in 45 minutes. I've done that only three times over the last ten years since Windows Vista.

    ...45 minutes? That must've been for a home/play PC, right? At work, between multiple version of Visual Studio, lots of admin/mgmt applications, multiple versions of SQL Server, etc. a clean install and app reinstall is more like a full day of teeth gnashing. About half of that time involves the countless service packs and updates being pulled down and installed.

  37. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    That must've been for a home/play PC, right?

    Correct. With the base OS image installed, updated and saved prior to reinstalling programs.

  38. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That fast, and all by hand?

  39. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    That fast, and all by hand?

    During the WinXP era, I had six motherboards. During the Vista to Win10 era, two motherboards (the second being a replacement for the first after nine years).

  40. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I run a support and repair shop. Good to know, the phone is going to ring a alot harder and revenue to climbe alot faster ! Windows updates are real goldmines to peoples like me !

  41. Clipboard? by hackel · · Score: 1

    I know Windows is pretty much garbage, but come on...even has had a clipboard since the Windows 1.0 days...

    What I don't understand is: "you can access all your files in the cloud without having to download them and use storage space on your device."

    So what, it downloads them to RAM only? That sounds just a bit dodgy. Hell, even the browser will cache things to disk. Is this just an outright lie?

    1. Re:Clipboard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm guessing they have a transparent API which makes the online content look like it's a local disk. So rather than downloading an entire file to access any part of it, you only download what you need as you need it. Basically it'll stream a file to you or allow random access.

    2. Re:Clipboard? by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      So a disk with a completely variable, unreliable and slow link. I dont know why MS thinks they can solve the issue of local vs remote resource this way. Forcing the cloud to act as local is only going to be a pain for everyone. We learned this lesson decades ago. At some point users have to take responsibility for their data and know how to manage it. There is no magic way to solve this problem.

      --
      Good-bye
    3. Re:Clipboard? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Talking of clipboards, my favorite one was the one in KDE, which could store different copied strings, so that I could select the one that I wanted to paste. Unfortunately, I don't notice that under Lumina, but I haven't looked.

  42. Re:Windows 10 FCU... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck you and your Trump hating BS. Trump has nothing to do with Microsoft, quit spewing your whiny political bs all over the internet!

  43. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't follow. You reinstalled everything - I'm asking, did you use some sort of automation tool to lay down a preconfigured base image? That seems incredibly fast for a by-hand reinstall & reconfig, so I'm curious how you managed it.

  44. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    You reinstalled everything - I'm asking, did you use some sort of automation tool to lay down a preconfigured base image?

    I use Acronis True Image to image the system, backing up to a FreeNAS file server.

  45. Micro$haft announces the fall Creators update to i by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Micro$haft announces the fall Creators update to its Win10 Spy-Virus, loaded with even more spyware, bloat, and crap that the user doesn't want! And it will install broken drivers for evem more hardware than before! You didn't think it could get any worse, but M$ ALWAYS finds a way!

    There, fixed the headline for ya!

  46. Re:Windows 10 is loaded with spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Top. Fucking. Keks.

    http://www.pcgamer.com/windows-10-but-what-about-performance/

    http://www.techspot.com/review/1042-windows-10-vs-windows-8-vs-windows-7/page7.html

    This is 18 months ago, BEFORE driver maturity began in proper. Look, Windows 10 has its flaws, but gaming performance isn't one of them, especially for newer games. Knock it for the multitude of things it actually does get wrong instead.

  47. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read this as Windows 10 FAIL update. Maybe that is what it was meant to be?

  48. small wishlist by PaoloAgati · · Score: 1

    I'd only like that next w10 release would stop to bring down my pc at least twice a day or, at least, not try to perform heavy system upgrades when the device is not connected to the power outlet... I don't care about timeline, remix and all that fuss...

  49. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by almaden · · Score: 2

    Major updates every 6 months is like having to install service packs twice a year (I know the monthly updates are cumulative). Even if major features are added, I hold my breath every time these big updates come. It's inevitable that some driver will stop working, or some program will be auto-removed without much notification. In last year's Anniversary Update, my finger print reader stopped working on an older HP laptop. In the Creators Update, a AMD Raedon 7600 HD video card stopped working in my 4 year old desktop. Although the telemetry may tell MS that the majority of Win10 big updates install problem free, there are many, many users that have problems like I have.

  50. Re: Ms. Mash - i s - a - r e t a r d by Brockmire · · Score: 1

    That's what the grocery store line is for.

  51. Re: Maybe they should get the current update worki by Brockmire · · Score: 1

    You should be fired for not using slipstreaming.

  52. Re: Maybe they should get the current update worki by Brockmire · · Score: 1

    NLite for full blown install, but updates and service packs could be integrated into setup files so all updates are current when installed. There's sites dedicated to silent installers. If you are in IT and don't know about these things, you are shit at your job.

  53. Re: Maybe they should get the current update worki by Brockmire · · Score: 1

    The third probably has "defer updates" enabled.

  54. Re: Maybe they should get the current update work by gregarican · · Score: 1

    I've had experience with that in order to bundle Windows Updates in with the original ISO install. So you're telling me you've accomplished the same with Visual Studio ISO installs as well? Last time I looked at that, the quirks and gotchas took as long to rectify as it would just to install as-is.Boy oh boy, I have lucked out and found a real Cracker Jack right here...

  55. Name is too similar by FuegoFuerte · · Score: 1

    Windows 10 Fall Creators Update? It looks WAY too much like the current Windows 10 FAIL Creators Update...

    I don't exactly mean this as a troll... I'm one of the few still using a Windows phone (Lumia 950), partly because I love the hardware itself, partly because they got me into that "ecosystem" when I was working there and they gave me my first smartphone, a Windows Phone 7 device. So, I've stuck with it, but this latest update is pure FAIL. The OS (on mobile) has gone backwards in *nearly* every way possible. Cortana doesn't work right (suddenly stopped reading my incoming text messages over bluetooth, about 90% of the time). Maps suddenly look awful, and do random strange things (like auto-zooming, when auto-zoom is turned off). Apps that used to be stable now crash repeatedly. There are a couple of minor bug fixes and updates that are nice, but they're far outweighed by the regressions.

    It's bad enough I'm actually considering switching to an Android, even though I hate that OS almost as much as I despise Apple iOS (I've used both, have 3 Android tablets, a MacBook Pro for work, and have used other people's iPhones / iPads enough to know they're not quite up to par with Windows 95 yet, in most regards).

    Next phone will probably be a Nokia 8, once available, but not really looking forward to it. I think the best smartphone OS I've used was Windows Mobile 8.1; 10 has never gotten back to the place 8.1 was at, in terms of basic reliable functionality. Maybe Fall update will fix the FAIL, but it seems doubtful. I actually wonder if Microsoft is introducing bugs to Mobile on purpose, just to drive people off of it so they can quit supporting it. It seems like a very Microsoft thing to do.

  56. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by unixisc · · Score: 1

    I've been reading about problems with the current update, maybe they should fix it first?

    Precisely! Also, what's the 'theme' of this OS that warrants the 'Creators' brand? I do have one suggestion for Creators - enable one to play music videos under Groove, instead of Movies, so that they can be played under playlists. Yeah, Windows Media Player does that as well, but it's not available on Windows 10 ARM or in the app store, only from legacy Windows 7.

  57. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by unixisc · · Score: 1

    I always do the updates at the end of a work session, such as end of day. My primary work I do on my TrueOS laptop, so that I don't miss anything while it updates. Why do I have that Windows 10 laptop? For the few things that must have Windows.

  58. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by unixisc · · Score: 1

    I've received Creator's update on my Lumia, but on my PC, updates gave me the option (so far) to update to Creators Update under their beta program, but not under the official release. I haven't used that PC since yesterday, so don't know if it's arrived by now. I'm ambivalent about it - not opposed to it, but not going out of my way to get it on my laptop.

  59. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by chrish · · Score: 1

    At this point I'd settle for Groove being able to play the music in my collection. When I added the collection to Groove, about five albums out of around 1000 actually showed up.

    I was sort of expecting it to be unable to play FLAC files, but there are a lot of plain old MP3s in there too.

    I've had bad experiences with all the Win10 apps I've tried: Mail, Wunderlist, and now MS To-Do. All three just stop communicating with the Internet for updates after a couple of days. Mail and the Win10 version of OneNote are missing so many features I expect to have, too...

    Weather works fine, but I never leave that running.

    Win10 and its "native" apps continues to feel half-done and half-assed.

    --
    - chrish
  60. Re:Windows 10 is loaded with spyware by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    Real desperation on part of MS shills. To cover stability and reliability problems, all they can do is shift discussion to performance.

  61. ISPs will love this; over-quota surcharges by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    With your large files shuttling back-and-forth beteween MS and your PC, watch internet usage skyrocket.

    --

    I'm not repeating myself
    I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
    1. Re:ISPs will love this; over-quota surcharges by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much of the world doesn't have quotas. Cheap DSL adds up to a few hundreds bucks a year (so, not that much cheap) ; ISP has no quotas, no speed tiers to avoid complicating things. You will rarely get the top speed anyway, about 15 down / 1 up will be nice and will mean your phone line is very decent.
      After that if there's a dispute between Microsoft and the ISP, they will settle it between them.

  62. Re:Maybe they should get the current update workin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't you upgrade to Windows 7 and rid yourself of that crap?

  63. Re:Windows 10 is loaded with spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But your context was gaming, which IS a matter of performance, and by extension, stability, which my links measured. Additionally, what the fuck is with this trend of stupid motherfuckers that can't formulate, much less cite, a valid criticism, calling out someone with this capability, and the ability to pragmatic about shit, a "shill". Suck it up, admit you were wrong in this instance, and complain about the multitude of other issues that Windows has. It's not like there's a shortage of them that won't result in you getting called out on your bullshit.

  64. Re:Windows 10 is loaded with spyware by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    Performance is irrelevant is your game crashes consistently, or fails to start on one OS and is rock stable on another. Which is the case for many games to this date when it comes to win10 vs 7 and 8.

    No matter how desperately you try to mask this.

  65. Re:Windows 10 is loaded with spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But, if they were able to test it, that meant they weren't "crashing consistently". The occasional game crashing upon a new OS release is nothing new, and once again, in the few cases it does happen, is almost always later nullified with driver maturation. That said, there's nothing like this plague of "many games to date" having his happen. If anything it was MORE common in the transition from 7 -> 8 than from 7/8 -> 10.

    Sorry Sparky, but your anecdotal uncited bullshit doesn't trump what I've linked, much less than additional mountain of evidence to the contrary based on the number of folks gaming quite contentedly on Win10. Once again, there's MANY more reasons to bitch about Windows 10. Gaming performance isn't one of them, and you've consistently failed to make that case.

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