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Microsoft Announces Windows 10 Fall Creators Update, the Next Major Update To Desktop OS (betanews.com)
At its developer conference on Thursday, Microsoft announced that the next major update to its desktop operating system will be called Windows 10 Fall Creators Update. It will be made available in September later this year. The update will come with several new features: Timeline, Pick Up Where You Left Off, Clipboard, OneDrive Files On-Demand, and Story Remix app among others. Timeline is a new feature that improves the Task View area to provide a list of apps and workspaces that you were using previously or on other devices. Think of it like a time machine for resuming old sessions. Timeline also combines with a new Pick Up Where You Left Off feature to let you resume sessions and apps on multiple devices. A report adds: "With Files On-Demand, you can access all your files in the cloud without having to download them and use storage space on your device. You don't have to change the way you work, because all your files -- even online files -- can be seen in File Explorer and work just like every other file on your device," says Jeff Teper, corporate vice president, Office, OneDrive and SharePoint teams. [...] Windows 10 Fall Creators Update will continue the use of Project Neon, which now has an official name of "Microsoft Fluent Design System." It is important to note that this design focus is not a Windows 10 FCU feature, but something Microsoft intends to implement in apps across platforms and device types. End users should start to experience it more with FCU, however. [...] Windows 10 Fall Creators Update will come with a new app called "Windows Story Remix." This app is designed to help users transform their existing photos and videos. This tool can be used to create stories from content in a fun way.
I've been reading about problems with the current update, maybe they should fix it first?
How's that pronounced?
An update for the creators of falls? On Windows?
Windows 10 Fall Creators Update.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
With Files On-Demand, we can access all your files in the cloud (and sell them on to the highest bidder)
It seems to me like Microsoft hasn't fully learned the lesson that desktop/laptop users don't want a touch-centric iTunes style user interface. If you look at some of the screenshots, we're back to monochrome icons and flat totally featureless windows. I wonder if menus will even make an appearance, and if they do, they'll be back to ALL CAPS.
I'm all for having something like this in Tablet Mode. But come on guys, Windows Phone is dead. There's no reason to force PC users to use a phone-inspired interface. This honestly looks like what MS did with Visual Studio 2013 -- removed all the color, made the default text color an unreadable gray on white, etc. It took the developers complaining bitterly to get both Visual Studio and Office to have some color and visual differentiation again.
> Why would anyone use it?
Because it's the best spyware. Trust me. The biggest spyware. And believe me, I know my spyware. Classy, beautiful stuff. Everyone who has used Microsoft spyware has just loved it. I promise. Bigly. I get calls all the time telling me how much people just love Microsoft's spyware.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
they're just going to keep jamming more and more useless bullshitware into the OS that no one wants, no one will use, and continue to ignore bugs and other crapola in Windows
Lawyers, MBA's, RIAA? A jedi fears not these things!
This is actually a feature I was waiting for. These days tablets have a small 128 or 256 GB SSD but you can have 1 TB cloud storage which will now be much more useful.
I hope they will add a feature to automatically delete the local copy of a file not used for X days.
This features sounds interesting...
Is this what will lead to me being able to wave my hand from the monitor to the tv and have my app follow me? If so, ok, good job M$, I like that... but only that.
Games.
If you're talking about the Anniversary Update, I had to do a clean install on my Dell laptop. I'm hoping it will be necessary for the next update.
Each new "update" to Windows breaks an undisclosed piece of hardware. We've seen the removal of DVD support. We've seen the removal of web cams. And from the security side, the March update for Windows broke smart cards (used by DoD, secure businesses) - I've literally had to run VMWare with a Windows 7 VM ever since on my work machine because I'm the I.T. tasked with "testing" Win10 to see if the entire company could use it. Since smart cards don't work anymore, things have become an absolute pain in the ass, since that is what we use for SSH authentication, which includes both server shell access and git access (things used literally every few minutes here). I can only imagine which critical hardware they'll cripple next.
> Timeline is a new feature that improves the Task View area to provide a list of apps and workspaces that you were using previously or on other devices. Think of it like a time machine for resuming old sessions
Just bring back all of my opened apps in the state they were in before you rebooted my PC overnight, when I never asked you to, and I'll be happy.
Simpler solution: Quit fucking rebooting my machine, even if you tell me you're going to. If I want to postpone the reboot for a week, that should be *my* decision. That's all I want.
Seriously, I'm about to schedule a task to run "shutdown -a" (abort) every 2 minutes and have it run 24/7.
Am I the only one who copy pasted the title to check if it includes "fail" with a funky PascalCase?
I'm waiting for the 'Remove all spyware' upgrade, so it stops spying on everything I'm doing.
Also waiting for the 'Not an advertising platform' upgrade, and the 'Returns total control of your system to the owner/user' upgrade.
Yah, the current update is a royal pain. Failed repeatedly for me, but kept on trying. So I did a manual download of the patch, and installed it. Worked fine.
Unfortunately, the auto-update still thinks I need the update, so it dutifully tries every day to download and install the update, fails to do so, and reports that failure to me every morning.
This AM got the first hint at the new version. Popup appeared telling me about the new thing, gave me the option of telling them all about my privacy settings right now, or telling me about them later. Notably did not include a "don't bother me anymore you idiot program, my privacy settings aren't your business now or ever". So I expect to see that popup every morning along with the "failed to install update"....
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
Because by merging their cloud with Explorer, the intent is that you'll just accidentally copy all your files over on to their servers.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
What do you think these updates are if not just fixes? This is a brave new world of only service packs to fix anything other than major security holes.
Until you find out that MS is using bing to upload all the stuff. Then you just block bing on a firewall and goodbye!
Games run better on 7 across the board. "I have this problem, I run windows 10" is one of the most common complaints on steam, and patches are commonly openly stating that "fixed these problems on windows 10". Same games have a habit of running perfectly fine on 7 with no manifestation of win10-specific issues.
I had to do a clean install on my Dell laptop. I'm hoping it will be necessary for the next update.
A user who hopes a clean install will be necessary after an update? You are Microsoft's dream come true!
What do you expect. /. staff have trained and replaced themselves with cheap shit H1B smelly indian chimps with phony degrees.
A user who hopes a clean install will be necessary after an update?
Back in the WinXP days, I could do a clean install and reinstall all application in 45 minutes. I've done that only three times over the last ten years since Windows Vista.
I never got the point of files-on-demand...
* if the file was big enough to be worth leaving off my laptop's SSD, like a 5mb photo or 30mb video, then the delay in loading it inside file explorer is by no means "seamless" - I have to wait a long time with frozen file-open dialogs while the file downloads. (I'm on Comcast cable)
* if the file is small enough for its download to be seamless, about 500k, then I might as well have left it on the SSD because it's so small.
* if my one drive is large enough for files-on-demand to be useful (which it is, at 700gb and loads of files) then windows spends five days just downloading metadata for all of them.
* if I need to work on a folder of photos, I basically have to tell onedrive to download the 1gb folder of photos, wait an indeterminate period of time (hours or days with no good indication of progress), then do my work.
* I used files-on-demand because space on my SSD was to limited, but it gave me no good control to free up space when I no longer needed the files local.
Well, that was my dismal experience with the previous iteration of demand before they abandoned it. I'll approach this one with an open mind.
I could do a clean install and reinstall all application in 45 minutes. I've done that only three times over the last ten years since Windows Vista.
...45 minutes? That must've been for a home/play PC, right? At work, between multiple version of Visual Studio, lots of admin/mgmt applications, multiple versions of SQL Server, etc. a clean install and app reinstall is more like a full day of teeth gnashing. About half of that time involves the countless service packs and updates being pulled down and installed.
That must've been for a home/play PC, right?
Correct. With the base OS image installed, updated and saved prior to reinstalling programs.
That fast, and all by hand?
During the WinXP era, I had six motherboards. During the Vista to Win10 era, two motherboards (the second being a replacement for the first after nine years).
I know Windows is pretty much garbage, but come on...even has had a clipboard since the Windows 1.0 days...
What I don't understand is: "you can access all your files in the cloud without having to download them and use storage space on your device."
So what, it downloads them to RAM only? That sounds just a bit dodgy. Hell, even the browser will cache things to disk. Is this just an outright lie?
You reinstalled everything - I'm asking, did you use some sort of automation tool to lay down a preconfigured base image?
I use Acronis True Image to image the system, backing up to a FreeNAS file server.
I'd only like that next w10 release would stop to bring down my pc at least twice a day or, at least, not try to perform heavy system upgrades when the device is not connected to the power outlet... I don't care about timeline, remix and all that fuss...
Major updates every 6 months is like having to install service packs twice a year (I know the monthly updates are cumulative). Even if major features are added, I hold my breath every time these big updates come. It's inevitable that some driver will stop working, or some program will be auto-removed without much notification. In last year's Anniversary Update, my finger print reader stopped working on an older HP laptop. In the Creators Update, a AMD Raedon 7600 HD video card stopped working in my 4 year old desktop. Although the telemetry may tell MS that the majority of Win10 big updates install problem free, there are many, many users that have problems like I have.
That's what the grocery store line is for.
You should be fired for not using slipstreaming.
NLite for full blown install, but updates and service packs could be integrated into setup files so all updates are current when installed. There's sites dedicated to silent installers. If you are in IT and don't know about these things, you are shit at your job.
The third probably has "defer updates" enabled.
I've had experience with that in order to bundle Windows Updates in with the original ISO install. So you're telling me you've accomplished the same with Visual Studio ISO installs as well? Last time I looked at that, the quirks and gotchas took as long to rectify as it would just to install as-is.Boy oh boy, I have lucked out and found a real Cracker Jack right here...
Windows 10 Fall Creators Update? It looks WAY too much like the current Windows 10 FAIL Creators Update...
I don't exactly mean this as a troll... I'm one of the few still using a Windows phone (Lumia 950), partly because I love the hardware itself, partly because they got me into that "ecosystem" when I was working there and they gave me my first smartphone, a Windows Phone 7 device. So, I've stuck with it, but this latest update is pure FAIL. The OS (on mobile) has gone backwards in *nearly* every way possible. Cortana doesn't work right (suddenly stopped reading my incoming text messages over bluetooth, about 90% of the time). Maps suddenly look awful, and do random strange things (like auto-zooming, when auto-zoom is turned off). Apps that used to be stable now crash repeatedly. There are a couple of minor bug fixes and updates that are nice, but they're far outweighed by the regressions.
It's bad enough I'm actually considering switching to an Android, even though I hate that OS almost as much as I despise Apple iOS (I've used both, have 3 Android tablets, a MacBook Pro for work, and have used other people's iPhones / iPads enough to know they're not quite up to par with Windows 95 yet, in most regards).
Next phone will probably be a Nokia 8, once available, but not really looking forward to it. I think the best smartphone OS I've used was Windows Mobile 8.1; 10 has never gotten back to the place 8.1 was at, in terms of basic reliable functionality. Maybe Fall update will fix the FAIL, but it seems doubtful. I actually wonder if Microsoft is introducing bugs to Mobile on purpose, just to drive people off of it so they can quit supporting it. It seems like a very Microsoft thing to do.
I've been reading about problems with the current update, maybe they should fix it first?
Precisely! Also, what's the 'theme' of this OS that warrants the 'Creators' brand? I do have one suggestion for Creators - enable one to play music videos under Groove, instead of Movies, so that they can be played under playlists. Yeah, Windows Media Player does that as well, but it's not available on Windows 10 ARM or in the app store, only from legacy Windows 7.
I always do the updates at the end of a work session, such as end of day. My primary work I do on my TrueOS laptop, so that I don't miss anything while it updates. Why do I have that Windows 10 laptop? For the few things that must have Windows.
I've received Creator's update on my Lumia, but on my PC, updates gave me the option (so far) to update to Creators Update under their beta program, but not under the official release. I haven't used that PC since yesterday, so don't know if it's arrived by now. I'm ambivalent about it - not opposed to it, but not going out of my way to get it on my laptop.
PDFs being opened w/ Edge is the stupidest default Microsoft could have designed. Since all the PDF documents I'm usually interested in is offline, and in case there is an online PDF that I need, I download it and then access it. Microsoft could have made either their Reader the default, or allowed Adobe Acrobat to be the default if and once it was downloaded.
I don't want any application to open Edge, unless I go to Edge myself for normal web browsing, not the 'masquerade as an app' service.
At this point I'd settle for Groove being able to play the music in my collection. When I added the collection to Groove, about five albums out of around 1000 actually showed up.
I was sort of expecting it to be unable to play FLAC files, but there are a lot of plain old MP3s in there too.
I've had bad experiences with all the Win10 apps I've tried: Mail, Wunderlist, and now MS To-Do. All three just stop communicating with the Internet for updates after a couple of days. Mail and the Win10 version of OneNote are missing so many features I expect to have, too...
Weather works fine, but I never leave that running.
Win10 and its "native" apps continues to feel half-done and half-assed.
- chrish
Real desperation on part of MS shills. To cover stability and reliability problems, all they can do is shift discussion to performance.
With your large files shuttling back-and-forth beteween MS and your PC, watch internet usage skyrocket.
I'm not repeating myself
I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
Performance is irrelevant is your game crashes consistently, or fails to start on one OS and is rock stable on another. Which is the case for many games to this date when it comes to win10 vs 7 and 8.
No matter how desperately you try to mask this.
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