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New Evidence of a Decline In Electricity Use By U.S. Households (wordpress.com)
There's some surprising news from the Energy Institute at the University of California's business school. America's households are using less electricity than they did five years ago.
So what is different? Energy-efficient lighting. Over 450 million LEDs have been installed to date in the United States, up from less than half a million in 2009, and nearly 70% of Americans have purchased at least one LED bulb. Compact fluorescent lightbulbs (CFLs) are even more common, with 70%+ of households owning some CFLs. All told, energy-efficient lighting now accounts for 80% of all U.S. lighting sales.
It is no surprise that LEDs have become so popular. LED prices have fallen 94% since 2008, and a 60-watt equivalent LED lightbulb can now be purchased for about $2. LEDs use 85% less electricity than incandescent bulbs, are much more durable, and work in a wide-range of indoor and outdoor settings.
"I would add LED TVs replacing LCD, Plasma and CRTs," writes Slashdot reader schwit1.
It is no surprise that LEDs have become so popular. LED prices have fallen 94% since 2008, and a 60-watt equivalent LED lightbulb can now be purchased for about $2. LEDs use 85% less electricity than incandescent bulbs, are much more durable, and work in a wide-range of indoor and outdoor settings.
"I would add LED TVs replacing LCD, Plasma and CRTs," writes Slashdot reader schwit1.
When they say "I would add LED TVs replacing LCD, Plasma and CRTs" do they mean real ultra-expensive LED TV's, or do they mean those mainstream TV's that use LCD technology but call themselves LED because reasons?
"His name was James Damore."
Will probably shoot back up as more electric vehicles are purchased. Though it will be more night time charging.
I got a couple LED bulb's free from the local electricity provider as a "green" pack. They're surprisingly nice, too! I can hardly distinguish their light from a real 60 watt incandescent. Not like the original CFLs that gave everything a strange tint and took about 30 seconds to warm up and then crapped out long before their old-fashioned counterparts.
I would argue that improved quality has helped just as much as price. Now, hopefully they will last as long as the CFLs were supposed to. I'm gonna be pissed if the LEDs die before the incandescents. On the plus side, though, the failure mode will hopefully be something that's replaceable at home with a soldering iron and a steady hand.
Enough with the nerd rage over marketing terms. You should be clever enough to have figured out that "LED TV" is used to mean "LCD TV with an LED backlight instead of CCFL" and OLED TVs are called, well, OLED. The LED backlight is, by the way, not a trivial thing when it comes to power use. If you look at an LCD most of the power it consumes comes from the backlight, with only a bit from the panel itself. So if you replace an older style set that uses CCFL backlights with a newer ones that uses LED backlights, you cut power consumption by a non-trivial amount.
And my 9" RGB CRT projector STILL completely BLOWS AWAY the technical and subjective picture quality of all other technologies combined. At true PC based 1080p, not some compressed bullshit Bluray, it's fucking awesome.
The ONLY tech on the horizon that can compare is:
AMOLED - Screen burns requiring replacement just the same as CRT, and still has other image deficiencies.
RGB LASER - This is the shit, no burn, but again, has image deficiencies.
THEREFORE, CRT is still king (of dynamic range from 0 IRE, and color gamut, in particular). And if you know what you're doing, you can produce 4k RGB CRTs today for the upper mass market at a reasonable price. I'm even experimenting with my own HV drivers and color filters...
I would encourage you to research it and to enter the market... two SKUs is all you need... base video projection for PC platforms, and bells and whistles for standalone tuner / net as is the case with most LED TV's today.
Here is a chart of electricity prices in America since 1960. When corrected for inflation, prices today are about the same as 50 years ago. So, no, I don't think there has been any vast conspiracy to raise prices.
I have cut my consumption by about 40% in the last ten years. Since California has tiered pricing, and all my consumption is in the bottom tier (about 10 cents/kw-hr), my electricity bill is less than half what it was in 2007.
All my lights are LED.
All TVs and monitors went from CRT to flatscreen.
New more efficient refrigerator.
New dishwasher with air drying.
Attic fan to reduce need for A/C.
Ceiling fans in all bedrooms.
Clip fans under every desk.
All outside lights triggered by motion sensors.
And by far the biggest energy saver: Teenage daughter moved and and went to college.
Big power hungry desktops don't use 200 watts anymore.
Also, those "power efficient" tablets aren't self-reliant. Anything interesting will require the use of a more powerful machine somewhere. That machine may be far away across an entire sea of devices creating the network required to connect the tablet to it's missing computing power.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
The number of people in an average household has decreased. It's not surprising that fewer individuals use less electricity.
Well prices are expected to go up over time due to inflation. The real problem is that wages have been stagnant, and haven't kept pace with inflation.
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
LED bulbs have high-voltage power electronics in there. By quality (e.g. Philips, but avoid Osram, they are still figuring it out) and they will live as long as advertised and be much, much cheaper overall than all alternatives. Buy cheap ones and you will get bulbs designed by people that do not have sufficient experience and will fail much sooner. LED bulbs do typically not fail in the LEDs, these are well-understood. They fail in the power-converters. This is not a surprise either.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I have had incandescent brands not last more than 2 weeks, and CFL's shit themselves within a month
what does it mean? There's always a shit brand, and your limited experience is not the same as the average experience
even in the 1990's they had power saving modes of operation ... in fact they are identical to the ones used today
hell even my 486 would spin down the hard drive, cut off the monitor and go into a sleep mode dropping the power down to the ten's of watts, meanwhile today, everyone has 16 billion 5 volt chargers sitting idol 24/7 consuming less than a watt each, but all added together over a day probably uses more than a pentium in sleep mode
and unlike the pentium, they wont be shut off ... they dont run windows 95
Add 'soak a t-shirt and wear it'. I'm a northern born type. anything above 70 degrees and I'm miserable. We spent a family reunion a few years ago at a cottage with no AC while it was 90+ degrees. Upon coming home, since we'd acclimated to very hot, I upped our AC temp setting from 70 to 74. Haven't noticed it a bit. (and we're living in DC area of VA so massive humidity).
:)
It's amazing how much extra temp you can handle when your t-shirt is wet
People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
Big power hungry desktops don't use 200 watts anymore.
Mine peaks out around 300W, and it is a delicate flower. Building a serious VR rig will easily get you up over 600W real-world power consumption.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Never fear, the GOP is going to rescue you by making sure corporations pay no taxes!
Your welcome!
People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
CRT is king of an obscure sub 1% of market share.
Good luck with that.
People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
If her phone was using an emissive LED tech, such as the Galaxy S7's OLED display (and a fairly long list of others), a black screen does use less energy.
It's only LCD displays with LED backlights that behave as you describe.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
I think it's all supposed to trickle down somehow.
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
To counter your poor experience, I have roughly 30 LED bulbs of various ages up to 4 years, and several brands. Not a single one has failed yet. My experience with early CFLs was very short life and horrible startup effects, never liked them.
Fully enclosed fixtures will be hard on the internal electronics due to heat build up. Seems most complaints in forums for short LED life are for those recessed ceiling light fixtures.
Stick to the name brands, most of mine are the cheap non-dimmable philips. I liked the early CREEs with the frosted glass and visible heat sink, which is the oldest of the collection and still going 6 hours every day, but never tried their newer plastic versions.
One of the PUDs in this area specifically raised prices because people weren't consuming as much.
You cant discount dvr cutback due to cable cutting and streaming. Dvrs were the 2nd highest usage next to hvac a few years ago. Also cpus in dvrs got more efficient
Well, let's put it this way. If your job is currently happy to pay for your gasoline or diesel right now, then yes, I expect they'll be happy to pay for your electrons instead (especially as it will cost them less, at least until the driving infrastructure taxation catches up.)
If they don't, however, I think you can most likely look forward to feeding an electron vending machine your money, assuming there are charging facilities provided.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Most Americans pay less for electricity than anywhere else in the world and are wasteful of it as a result.
I recently had to put in a maintenance request to have the florescent tubes in the light fixture over the bathroom sink. I told the maintenance guy that there must be something wrong with the light fixture, as the tubes only last two to six months before needing replacement again. I got CFLs over my kitchen table that are 5+ years old. The maintenance guy laughed and told me that this was by design. If the florescent tubes go out every six months, maintenance — and the leasing office, indirectly — will have two opportunities each year to get into each apartment to look for problems not being reported.
You are understating the costs a whole lot. $1500 isn't what it costs to do a good job insulating a home. You can spend that on a single good window. It costs quite a bit to get a well made window with two (or three) panes of low-e glass, filled with an inert gas, and so on and then of course you have to pay to have the old one cut out and the new one installed. You can get something much lesser quality and just drop it in the existing thin frame for a good bit less, but you don't get the big efficiency gains unless you do it right and have ti really redone.
So on a normal house with some big windows and sliding glass doors you can hit $5-10k easily just in redoing your glass.
Walls are another matter. Depending on the construction of your house, it can me pretty to very costly to insulate your walls. If you have something that is drywall mounted straight on concrete block, there's nowhere to insert insulation. You have to either tear down the drywall, add in framing, insulate in that, and put up new drywall (which also cuts down on the size of rooms) or tear off the exterior facade, add insulation, and put up a new one. Either way it's 5 figures to do.
It's a lot of money to renovate an old home and make it energy efficient.
The eia reports consumer electricity usage in the same range it's been stuck in since 2000. Speculating which runs contrary to previous examples, namely that energy efficiencies lead to anything besides increased energy use due to cost savings, would require data, not speculation.
I know you're trolling, but....
If it bothers you THAT much, just go off grid. Solar panels plus some batteries and a "lender of last resort" propane generator. You'll sleep soundly knowing you're not being fucked by the man even though you're probably now paying more for your electrons.
If you're using tablets for reading instead of lights, you're most likely spending more and harming your eyes.
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
I tried that trick when we moved from Chicago to Houston last year. I went to sit on the sofa in my wet t-shirt and my wife chased me off with a rolled up newspaper.
In places like this, the air conditioning is more for the humidity than the heat. When the thermostat is set above 75, I end up with severe swamp ass.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Instead of asking why electricity use has dropped slightly since 2010, why has electricity use increased so much since 1990? I take these figures to be residential electric use because factoring in industrial - factories - and commercial -- offices, stores, and schools, the per capita use would be considerably higher.
Year 1990 doesn't seem like some opening-a-frontier event like rural electrification or replacing coal home heating with home natural gas service. You would think that everyone wanting central A/C by 1990 would have central A/C? What electric use has been a growth market?
Wide-screen TVs? People being wealthy enough to afford bigger McMansion-style houses? Internet surfing? I am not trying to scold anyone "Why do you use so much electricity and I get by with so little." I am genuinely curious as to what accounts for the large growth in electric demand.
the funny thing is those 'liberals' are all about people paying their fair share. They're the ones saying we should RAISE the federal income tax to pay for our actual expenses.
And of course this would mean the GOP is in favor of double taxation
People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
>IKEA reduced their Tertial work lamp to 13 watts, down from 250 watts.
And it accepts "normal" sized bulbs?
This sounds like a plague of house fires.
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BMO
Venezuela isn't socialist it's totalitarian.
People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
What about my welcome?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Given that domestic power consumption is insignificant compared to industrial and commercial use, how relevant is this? How is power consumption overall affected?
I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
Well prices are expected to go up over time due to inflation. The real problem is that wages have been stagnant, and haven't kept pace with inflation.
From year to year I think inflation and CPI is an okay measure. Over long stretches of time, well... according to some measures the US middle class hasn't improved at all since the 1970s. But if you took a family from 1970 and transported them to 2017, would they want to go back? There's no internet. No PCs. No cell phones. No digital cameras. Maybe there's lots of things you'd spend money on in 1970 that doesn't really make any sense in 2017. There will be things in 2017 that no money can buy in 1970, what's the value of that? Average lifespan has gone up from 71 to 79 years, what's 8 more years of life worth? That you get more money and spend more money is hardly the only valid way to quantify life.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
It's totalitarian because that's the only way socialist states can stay in power.
Ceiling fans in all bedrooms.
I have a 2.3 kw split airconditioner in a bedroom in my house. I have never managed to get it to use more than 85 watts. The only time I saw 85 watts was when the room was about 40 deg C (104F) and it was set to cool it to 17C (62F). It tends to cycle between about 45 watts and 1.8 watts when it is just set to run all the time. That keeps it cool and uses less power than the ceiling fan. The worst part of ceiling fans is they often use the J series halogen tube bulbs that often add 150 watts of heat to a room when someone leaves the light on.
A modern inverter based 2.5kw split system with a 4.5 efficiency can move 2.5kw of heat out of the room using 550 watts of energy. 2.5kw is about a 3/4 ton of A/C for people who prefer to think of cooling in tons of melting ice per day.
Most Southerners that have poorly insulated homes aren't too stupid but too poor to have a well insulated home. New homes in the South are very well insulated. I live in Arkansas which is considered a backwater even in the South. My home is about 3 years old with 2x6 exterior construction with an insulated concrete slab foundation and close to three feet of cellulose insulation in the attic. My AC barely runs except when it is above 100F or it is so damned humid I turn the thermostat down to make that manageable.
I also have a solid six figure income in an area where the median household income is under $40k in a state that is worse off than that. If you make $30,000 a year as a family, you can't afford a well made new house now can you spend $20,000+ on a re-model. Where I live the summers are hot but the winters get pretty cold too (and sometimes only a few weeks divides the two), so the insulation would really pay off but if you can barely feed yourself then an extra bill is just not going to happen if they can even get the loan to do it.
Agreed. Don't buy bargain bin crap from Walmart or Costco.
I buy Philips exclusively and they are fantastic. Cost about $5.50/bulb. Have 20 of them and never an issue.
Utilities have to recover their capital costs. They paid $X for a shiny new power plant. And just because you aren't using it doesn't mean that the utilities commission isn't going to let them earn their regulated ROI on it. They take their costs and spread them across fewer and fewer kWhs sold. Prices go up.
Have gnu, will travel.
lol., fair. I blame phone keyboard!
People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
You realize those high tax states subsidize the low tax states...?
Scandinavia and Europe would like a word with you....
People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
Where on Earth have you seen ceiling fans using that bulb? Everything I've seen these days uses those infuriating little E12 bulbs which until recently weren't available in Cree TrueWhite series, but thankfully now are. Best LED bulbs out there hands down, although I've had about a 5-10% failure rate (two bulbs dead in total but both from the same it'll in a bathroom so probably condensation-related.) In fact I'm pretty sure I read that Bush II signed a law requiring use of E12 bulbs in ceiling fans.
if he gets to decry 'socialism' with an extreme example of Venezuela....using 'Socialist Democracies' of Scandinavia is perfectly legitimate
People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
Venezuela isn't socialist
Liar.
it's totalitarian.
Better known as end-stage socialism.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
And by far the biggest energy saver: Teenage daughter moved and and went to college.
So you're paying $X0,000 per year in tuition to save $Y0/mo on power?
Good deal that :-)
As the use of LED's and electric cars spreads (which is inevitable) we'll reduce energy usage even further - all without a single punishing act of legislation.
The green energy push has had significant help from government regulations and subsidies, which is why they exist. Appropriate regulation improves quality of life, and this is no different. In a real free market we'd still be living industrial age smog and air pollution.
It's totalitarian because that's the only way socialist states can stay in power.
The US is a socialist state to some extent. The government has a fair amount of control in health, education, sanitation and defence. Those are all elements of a socialist state.
Scandinavia and Europe...
Scandinavia is part of Europe last time I checked...
On the other hand I've only had to replace 1 out of 15 LED bulbs in the last 10 years. I got sick of replacing the decorative incandescence bulbs in the ceiling fan and finally found some LEDs that are satisfactory, they seem to hold up to the vibration way better. (years instead of months)
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Weren't they the ones protesting the demise of W lamps.
Nullius in verba
I think you're measuring wrong maybe you're measuring the wattage of the inside fan? I just don't see getting a 2.3kw unit down to 85 watts with a compressor and fan running.
Minimum threshold fixed. Thanks!
I can't tolerate temperatures above 22 degrees. I have to turn on AC if it goes higher. Ideally I like it to be 15 degrees inside of my house at all times.
Let me guess, your BMI is above 30?
Fat people have a thicker layer of insulation and overheat easier. The volume to surface area ratio also means that perspiration has less of a cooling effect.
Fortunately, something can be done about it besides turning on an air conditioner.
Never fear, the GOP is going to rescue you by making sure corporations pay no taxes!
Corporations don't pay taxes; they collect taxes.
For those of us who live in hot / temperate places where air conditioning is a way of life, going to LED lights and LED-backlit TVs have a knock-on effect -- much less energy is wasted as heat - heat that then has to be dealt with by the air conditioning systems.
Surely the power companies knew this was coming, right?
On a related tangent, I'm old enough to remember the first wave of solar euphoria euphoria in the 70's. That wave really didn't go anywhere fast. Solar panels aren't efficient enough to power tungsten and CRT, and fluorescent lighting isn't that much more efficient.. but with LED? Yeah, solar now really does have a chance.. but not because solar.. but because LED... oh and modern batteries / capacitors to hold stored energy.
The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
the earth is just fine on the trajectory we already have
Fuck you. There's plenty of science that says you're wrong. Quit spreading bullshit.
I don't respond to AC's.
People are constantly crying that we need to reduce CO2 use...
Yes, and this is the result of the government actually listening to them and instituting regulations on household lighting. It was apparently a great success. Of course the technology improving and getting cheaper was part of it, but without the regulations there would be a lot more incandescent bulbs around and we wouldn't have this headline.
It's a socialist state in denial. I blame a generation getting intensive cold war propaganda: They know that socialism is evil, oppressive and unamerican, they just don't know what socialism actually means.
And by far the biggest energy saver: Teenage daughter moved and and went to college.
You may appreciate this then. I don't have kids (let alone teenagers), but the previous owners of my house did. And you can piece together the arguments between teenagers and parents. I think he kept on leaving his bedroom light on. The reason I believe that in what was his bedroom, the lightswitch had been replaced by one of those you find in the hallways in apartment complexes where you press it for 5 minutes of light.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
LED bulbs have high-voltage power electronics in there. By quality (e.g. Philips,
Can't emphasise this enough. The LEDs themselves will be fine probably in cheap brands, but the power supply won't be. Good SMPSs are expensive to design and make. There's no substiture worth it.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Bullshit, that is just fiscal irresponsibility at the state level. The federal subsidy allowing State and Local taxes to be deducted from the federal tax puts the burden on the taxpayer to the lower tax states for the out of control spending of high tax states.
Watching the moon landing was epic!
I liked the early CREEs with the frosted glass and visible heat sink, which is the oldest of the collection and still going 6 hours every day, but never tried their newer plastic versions.
I installed six of those. The glass globes fell off of two of them, and one just stopped working. Looks like you get what you pay for, except now I have a one dollar CFL over the stove and it's lasted for around five years now.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
go suck your mom's dick
Also end-stage capitalism.
Basically, totalitarianism is end-stage [insert soio-economic system here], for the simple reason that wealth and power are self-catalyzing, and so *any* system that allows individuals to accumulate them without restriction, via any means, will eventually end up concentrating enough wealth and power into the hands of the few that they no longer need to concern themselves with the opinions of the masses.
--- Most topics have many sides worth arguing, allow me to take one opposite you.
There is also that nasty thing called general hyperhidrosis. (I thought it was rather rare though)
My body kicks into full throttle cooling mode much earlier, than normal people's.
But when it's too hot for everyone (e.g. sauna) one won't notice any difference.
If wage disparity were reduced to 1970's levels
I don't get why people care so much about wage disparity. What does it matter how much richer than you the richest are? What matters is how you live, and the average -- or even bottom tier -- person in the 2010s lives longer, eats better, is less likely to suffer violence, has a larger home, has cleaner air and water, etc., etc., etc., for almost any variable you can name than someone in the same position 40 years earlier.
Why the focus on comparing your position to that of others, rather than appreciating what you have?
Note to ACs: I usually delete AC replies without reading them. If you want to talk to me, log in.
If you want to nitpick: no.
Iceland is part of Scandinavia but not part of Europe.
Enough nitpicking?
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
"Building a serious VR rig will easily get you up over 600W real-world power consumption."
I only needed 350W when running a P3/TNT2 with shutter glasses back in the late 90s.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Tell that to my OLED TV.
That's what I thought, dipshit!
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Yes, there are illnesses that can cause overheating, but that's not the general case. Healthy people should be able to deal with 12-30C temperature ranges without any real problems, and if it is a problem beyond "it would be nicer if it were cooler/warmer", seeing a doctor should be the first thing to do, not buying an AC.
Saunas (Nordic ones that are actually in the 90-100C range) work because your body goes into a special mode, restricting blood flow to the surface. It's possible to sit with teeth clattering because of being cold in a hot sauna, because of the full insulation retaining the internal chill from your cold shower or snow roll for quite a while.
The cooler American-style "saunas" that's only in the 50-70 C range are more problematic, because they're not hot enough for the body to enter this state. So you end up like a red lobster. Even more so because of the aversion to nakedness causing Americans to cover themselves with towels or bathing suits, reducing the cooling effect of profuse sweating. Add that they're below the dew point, so benches won't be dry but covered with hot moisture. It's an uncomfortable experience compared to a real sauna, and I'm sure temperature sensitive individuals can have a hard time with them.
why people ere mixing up median with average is beyond me: an area where the median household income is under
Median is in 905 of the cases where it is mentioned on /. completely irrelevant.
Hint: [1, 6, 8] and [-50, 2, 4, 100]Âhave the exact same meridian (which is 6, if you are to dumb to figure it).
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
The new aircons that dehumidify before cooling are great. We keep the house at 78 in the summer with no problems.
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
Even a regular old air conditioner will remove some of the humidity. The ones with built-in dehumidifiers are much better at it though.
You are welcome on my lawn.
"Bush II signed a law requiring use of E12 bulbs in ceiling fans."
Ugh. Ridiculous, big government "conservatives."
Those experiments haven't been completed.
In a real free market we'd still be living industrial age smog and air pollution.
Bullshit. In a real free market we'd have formalized property rights over a commons such as the atmosphere in the form of equally distributed shares paying royalties. Everyone who pollutes would pay royalties into the total pool according to how much they emit.
This would increase the price of carbon fuels according to a real rather than artificial market mechanism, thereby incentivizing development of alternatives.
I bought about 6 nice Sylvania 3500K CFL years ago, which were fairly expensive, and had several failures within a year, warranting warranty returns.
Whereas, a pile of free CFLs I collected from shopping at Ranch 99 seem to be immortal, even when placed in adverse conditions such as bathroom lighting.
I only needed 350W when running a P3/TNT2 with shutter glasses back in the late 90s.
I only actually consume 300W with a FX-8350 and dual Zotac 950 AMP!s (one was a warranty replacement and the other one was cheap) today. My machine with a TNT2 had a K6/2, too, and ISTR it only had a 300W supply but I never actually measured its current draw. It might only have needed 200W or something, who knows?
However, all of this stuff is relatively low-power compared to the top-end of the PC gaming spectrum, and I haven't even overclocked anything massively. I've just done a little gaming card overclocking, which didn't increase consumption much. Maybe 10 watts. And I have no spinning disks and only quiet fans, and no pumps.
There's a reason why people make kW (and beyond) power supplies for PCs.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Again, projection TV onto a wall....is a 1% market share.
People in cars cause accidents....accidents in cars cause people
Haha, no, we're using the right amount of a less-scarce resource to save on some other more-scarce resource. When electricity is cheaper than elbow grease, it makes no sense to substitute the latter for the former.
Can you be Even More Awesome?!
Big power hungry desktops don't use 200 watts anymore.
Mine peaks out around 300W, and it is a delicate flower. Building a serious VR rig will easily get you up over 600W real-world power consumption.
I doubt that you need 600W for a serious VR rig unless you are seriously price-constrained to the absolute least costly parts that get the performance you desire and don't care a bit about how much waste heat or noise you're producing.
Can you be Even More Awesome?!
Perhaps if it's using an LCD. A dedicated ebook reader tends to use an e-ink display, and the high-resolution versions of such look like a printed page, but with a little less contrast. (I use a Kobo Glo HD. I suspect the current-model Kindle Paperwhite would be about the same, going by the specs.)
20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
I think they're counting on a future lack of availability of incandescent bulbs. The Ranarp in the living room is rated for 11W and takes standard bulbs. The Hektar in the bedroom, OTOH, uses (IIRC) a candelabra-base bulb (or something else smaller than standard) and is rated for 7W. Also, you're more than likely going to buy the appropriate bulb along with the lamp, especially if it's in one of the two smaller non-standard sizes that they use.
20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
That's great and all, but before people start patting themselves in the back, read the source and understand the limits of what is being presented.
The study on the source, right by the end of it, talks about a possible rebound effect. Speculative, but still, it does make sense.
Also, this is only about US households... here's what the wordwide energy consumption statistics look like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
US basically comes in second with China in first, that's considering that China has 4x the population yet consumes less than double, and basically is the factory of the world right now.
To be fair, electricity usage in households is not a good measure of anything other than itself. Different countries will have different needs, and the numbers will vary quite a lot depending on location. The stuff that usually consumes electricity the most in a household are heating and AC.
Think again:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Household electricity consumption is not = CO2 reductions. This article "alludes" to nothing you talked about, it's a single positive marker in a long list of negative ones. And if you read the source, you'll see there are reservations about it right by the end and conclusions of the article itself.
The green energy push has had significant help from government regulations and subsidies
Yes, which I am thinking helped propel the light bulb industry forward by about five years or so... basically nothing in the grand scheme of things.
The same is even more true of electric cars, which are inevitable in the long run but after many years are still a blip in terms of real world use and so do not really impact CO2 emissions much, despite very heavy subsidies - you basically were just giving a lot of money to the rich to have cool cars.
Appropriate regulation improves quality of life
This is SUCH a lie. You don't know how many people were FORCED to use horrible CFL bulbs as older bulbs were forced of the market. They would have died off naturally anyway as superior LED bulb use grow - instead you forced YEARS of horrid lighting on people. That does not "improve the quality of life" for anyone.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Apparently so little you cannot even find any to link to.
Here's an actual book by real scientists.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
But it's followed by the slow crushing of hope for the future once people realise that the space race is over now, and all those dreams of martian colonies and mankind exploring the universe aren't going to happen in their lifetime.
A Quarter Of American Adults Can't Pay All Their Monthly Bills; 44% Have Less Than $400 In Cash. "Just as concerning were other findings from the study: just under one-fourth of adults, or 23%, are not able to pay all of their current month's bills in full while 25% reported skipping medical treatments due to cost in the prior year. Additionally, 28% of adults who haven't retired yet reported to being grossly unprepared, indicating they had no retirement savings or pension whatsoever."
aluminum to copper new tech environmentally conscious federal mandate efficiency improvement FUCKING BROKE appliance rebates more gas ...
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Says who?
It would be more cost-effective to spend that money on lobbying politicians to reduce or eliminate the royalty payments.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci...
There's a gender bias that's unrelated to weight.
Let me guess, you like fat shaming?
My preference for temperature hasn't changed much as my weight has fluctuated.
Learn to love Alaska
I doubt that you need 600W for a serious VR rig unless you are seriously price-constrained to the absolute least costly parts that get the performance you desire and don't care a bit about how much waste heat or noise you're producing.
And that's because you have no idea what you're talking about. Just one GTX 1080 draws 173 watts peak, and obviously you have to plan for peak power consumption. Two of those will set you back 346W by themselves, 46W more than my whole PC. SSDs are basically free power-wise (4W or less for the most part) but the CPU is typically over 100W these days and the motherboard itself will draw anywhere from 25 to 80 (!) watts. Each stick of ram is around 4W as well, which would be insignificant if there were only one of them but most high-end gaming rigs have 4 or 6.
600W is not difficult to hit when building a high-end PC. If you slap a third GPU in there for PhysX for some reason, you can get up over 600W without any trouble.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
These ballasts were at least 20 years old, possibly even 30 years old.
The old lights took 7-12 seconds to even turn on, then another 5-10 seconds to hit full brightness.
These LEDs are super bright, instant on, and use much less power. What's the down side?
The cooler American-style "saunas" that's only in the 50-70 C range are more problematic, because they're not hot enough for the body to enter this state.
You are simply full of shit.
The "saunas" that are in the 50 C range are steam-rooms. The only steam room I've ever been in was in Europe (Amsterdam), so America-hate is misplaced. A "wet sauna" (properly called a steam room) works differently than a dry sauna, but 50C wet gets a similar physical reaction as 90C dry.
Even more so because of the aversion to nakedness causing Americans to cover themselves with towels or bathing suits, reducing the cooling effect of profuse sweating. Add that they're below the dew point, so benches won't be dry but covered with hot moisture.
That's why saunas are generally wood, and steam rooms are generally tile. And the clothes don't matter when you are in a "wet" environment. Your sweat doesn't help, anyway.
It's an uncomfortable experience compared to a real sauna, and I'm sure temperature sensitive individuals can have a hard time with them.
Your opinion is based on incorrect facts, thus, your opinion is invalid. But feel free to keep hating Americans and fat people. Your hate for everyone (and indifference to fact) would have you fit right in as an American.
Learn to love Alaska
American saunas aren't allowed to be sold if they can become 90C or hotter. These are UL regulations. Most manufacturers err on the side of caution and won't make the sauna's temperature go higher than 180F (~80C), and public "saunas" seldom go much higher than150-160F (~65-70C).
I've taken countless hundreds of saunas in both Scandinavia and here in the US, and I can tell you, the two don't compare at all. For the aforementioned reasons: temperature, too high humidity to compensate, and nudity taboos.
Also end-stage capitalism.
Oh, fuck off. Capitalism is why poverty is in retreat everywhere but a handful of countries ruled by kleptocrats.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
You're a bunch of fools. And sheeple.
Unironic use of 'sheeple' wins you one (1) Internet Tinfoil Hat award. Chemtrails.
Oh you were flatly contradicted below, looking forward to your response.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Biggest energy saver for me: Never had or wanted children. They ruin everything.
Thanks for not having children. Did your parents warn you? lol.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
They know that socialism is evil, oppressive and unamerican, they just don't know what socialism actually means.
It means 'place I don't like/people I don't like'.
Similar to 'SJW'.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
-jcr
Your name goes at the top of the comment mate. This isn't a fucking email.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
You've obviously not encountered enough of the 'space nutter' AC spastic. If you only saw his diatribes, you'd realise that space is a bad thing and we should all be looking down into the drain.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Yeah. 8 years is also, apparently, not worth a wank.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
My preferred alternative to AC is ice cream! My favorites being New York Super Fudge Chunk and Americone Dream, but I'll eat whatever by the gallon bucket is cheapest at the market if it comes down to it.
PS in my case at least, my temperature preferences haven't changed at all with my weight. I've been as low as 180 and as high as 320. Actually that's not entirely true, before I put on so much weight I kept the house a couple degrees colder.
The thing is, incandescent bulbs aren't going away. They have their uses. Your kid can't operate the EZ-Bake oven without one. And there are various decorative bulbs that you simply can't get in LED or if you put in compact-fluorescent, it looks like ass.
How much is standard 16ga lamp cord anyway, to a manufacturer?
A 250 foot spool of lamp wire at Home Depot is 45 bucks, or 18 cents a foot or 59 cents/M. They're not saving much by going with skinnier wire.
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BMO
The Energy Star program has caused manufacturers to lower the energy required by their products so as people replace things such as refrigerators, computers, washers, TVs, and the like they will normally get one that uses less electricity. I just purchased a freezer and it uses 25% less electricity than the previous generation which was made 4 years ago.
It's just too bad that Trump has proposed cutting the funds to the program in his budget. Consumers have saved $Bs because of this program and it costs nowhere that much to run.
I could just as easily point to Somalia as an example of where an unregulated free market will get you. They reached quite a level of business management - when you can actually buy stock in the piracy firm, you know it's a thriving industry. Hand-picking examples that support your desired conclusion is not an honest argument.
By many metrics - self-evaluated happiness, violent crime rate, life expectancy, homelessness rate - the Scandinavian countries are the best of them all right now. They are neither purely capitalist nor purely socialist: They pick out the parts that work best from both approaches, and let them compliment each other.
That's what I thought at one point, but they've redesigned the Easy-Bake Oven so it no longer needs a lightbulb...probably has a proper heating element in it instead.
As for what things cost in large quantities, knocking a nickel off the bill of materials adds up to $5000 on a 100k production run. I'm not sure if they're actually using skinnier wire in the lamps I bought or if they economized elsewhere (a less heat-resistant plastic for the lightbulb socket, perhaps?).
20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
Yep, hence my questioning his assertion that ceiling fans "often" use 150-watt halogens. I've never seen a single ceiling fan use that type. Sadly it seems he can't be bothered to answer.
The "Do as we say, not as we do" party.