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YouTube Will Now Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists (tubefilter.com)

YouTube will return anti-terrorist playlists when users search for hateful content on the site using certain keywords pertaining to terrorism. Tubefilter.com reports: The new feature, dubbed The Redirect Method, is part of a four-prong strategy announced by Google last month to quash extremist ideologies across its platforms. The Redirect Method was developed by Jigsaw -- an Alphabet subsidiary whose mission is to counter extremism, censorship, and cyber attacks -- alongside another tech company called Moonshot CVE (which stands for "Countering Violent Extremism"). Jigsaw and Moonshot CVE developed the tech after studying, over several years, how terrorist factions like ISIS leverage technology to spread their messaging and recruit new followers. In coming weeks, YouTube says it intends to incorporate The Redirect Method into a wider set of search queries in languages beyond English, use machine learning to dynamically update search terms, work with partner NGOs to develop new anti-extremist content, and roll out the Method to Europe.

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  1. Free speech is always to nice a thing by Crashmarik · · Score: 0, Redundant

    To actually let the populace have.

    1. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by whitlocktj · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Free speech is a protected right, that doesn't mean that a company has to promote or distribute others ideologies.

    2. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why don't they just remove the videos then instead of messing up the search results.

    3. Re: Free speech is always to nice a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the corporations gain more practical control, and the government has less, the meaning of those protected rights shrinks.

      Free speech is worth fighting for in whatever form.

    4. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      While you are free to say that, this has nothing to do with free speach rights.

    5. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by gatfirls · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When they are redirecting, they are promoting and/or distributing others ideologies.

      I get that they are a company and can do as they want with their platform but I am sure how you can see their intervention like this being used for not so warm and fuzzy things. Let's say something like they want some bill to get passed so they direct searches to only videos promoting the bill.

      Not a fan of when companies get in the 'arbiters of free speech' business. It's either within your TOS or it isn't. You're either responsible for all content or none.

      'Without free speech no search for truth is possible... no discovery of truth is useful.' -Charles Bradlaugh

    6. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't they just remove the videos then instead of messing up the search results.

      Probably because deep inside they are punks who were bullied when they were kids and now it is their chance to torment people they perceive as bullies.

      Most people are assholes. Why should the pricks who control YouTube be an exception ?

    7. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is why I have NEVER signed up for a Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, My Space, Google, Twitter, or similar account. F' them. I'll stick more independent mediums.

    8. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by mrclevesque · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Why don't they just remove the videos then instead of messing up the search results."

      Exactly, remove the videos or refuse the search, what they're doing is like shooting themselves in the foot, it promotes the idea that they manipulate search results.

    9. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they should promote free speech! Nothing gets a cause going than a little actual factual oppression. What's worse is that they think promoting anti-terror videos is going to make it better. Either allow it or block it. Nothing makes a bad idea seem good like censorship.

    10. Re: Free speech is always to nice a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Free speech does not always refer to the protection from government censorship. Free speech in regards to youtube means that google will not censor you. Google does not support free speech on its platform.

    11. Re: Free speech is always to nice a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Redirecting searches for ISIS videos are the testing and development stage for other kinds of political speech. Occupy? Standing rock? Gulf oil spill? The videos that helped them gain traction in the public discourse and changed people's conversations into better informed, more nuanced points will soon become a thing of the past. It's only the official corporate line from now on.

    12. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Not a fan of when companies get in the 'arbiters of free speech' business. It's either within your TOS or it isn't. You're either responsible for all content or none.

      Legally they can be responsible only for removing content when it is flagged up to them, but in practice there is commercial pressure to actively look for it from advertisers.

      'Without free speech no search for truth is possible... no discovery of truth is useful.' -Charles Bradlaugh

      Agreed, but expecting commercial services like YouTube to be an absolute free speech venue is not realistic.

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    13. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      And this is why I have NEVER signed up for a Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, My Space, Google, Twitter, or similar account. F' them. I'll stick more independent mediums.

      The good thing about youtube, no account needed.

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    14. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Erm, they DO manipulate search results, they have been doing it for years. I've pretty much given up on using google when searching for certain things, because I know that google will remove most of them from the search results.

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    15. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the company did everything they could to establish a monopoly, and used all kinds of unfair practices and promoted on bad faith their service, then they start censoring that which has a profound impact on an entire country or planet, then they have gone too far.

      They can either stop censoring, or they can close their doors and go out of business.

    16. Re: Free speech is always to nice a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean, no voluntary account. With the exception of most slashdot readers, I assure you that youtube knows who is logged in to their site, or at the very least, as much as someone logged into an account.

    17. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what they're doing is like shooting themselves in the foot, it promotes the idea that they manipulate search results.

      Maybe not. The videos are delivered as ads.

      This actually casts ads in an interestingly good light. When you do a traditional web search you get a mix of unmanipulated results and results that other humans are pushing on you, and the old pollyana-ish approach was that, maybe by mixing in a dogpile-like ranking scheme, we can actually get better results.

      If the Jigsaw videos are really marked as ads, I think this is pretty close to ideal and that other people like me who think it important to hold the line on free speech should not oppose it. It's not coercive if it adds no new ability to tamper with the results and the forced videos are marked Ad. It's pro-discussion.

      I also think it won't hurt Google's credibility. The existence of the campaign shouldn't surprise anyone. If they are somehow getting a discount on the ads, like not billing themselves, or maybe excluding jihadi searches from the main ad market, I don't think that will bother the potential jihadis, so long as the liberal propaganda is segregated and marked as put there by another human trying to convince them of something for the other humans' reasons (ie. "Ad"). And in their place I actually would watch it, in the same way that I read dailystormer. so this is great.

      It's very weird how it's being covered in the news, though, as if these videos are being forced on people and that we should be happy about that. Hopefully Google is more pro-free-speech than Western journalism. The default views of journalists and other loud people right now disgust me, but I think the MAGA idiots are right so far as that there really is a silent majority, and Google had better stay on board with them because, while powerful, they could become irrelevant very quickly.

    18. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by fche · · Score: 1

      > The videos are delivered as ads.

      Perfect then - people looking for uncensored content can use ad blockers. Win-win!

    19. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      The problem is that Youtube does not promote itself as a TV station, it promotes itself as a community. When Youtube, or Google as a whole, start manipulating search results so that they always celebrate a certain ideology and demonize another it is at the very least false advertising, and threatens our democracy.

      Google is for all intents and purposes a common carrier, it serves as our community hall, mail system, our news papers, and so much more. Why should Google not be allowed to push polities into its search results, because the mailman should not be censuring and modifying my letters.

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    20. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      Interesting - Thanks

    21. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Free speech refers to government censorship. YouTube aren't the government. You'd think someone with a functioning brain could make that distinction.

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    22. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhm let me have a wild guess. This will expose them to videos that contradict their views. Does that not seem obvious? Really?

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    23. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by Maritz · · Score: 1

      So there was a time when you liked Google, was there? I doubt that very much.

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    24. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Your speech is still free. Start your own YouTube and stop fucking whining.

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    25. Re: Free speech is always to nice a thing by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Oh, the AC assures us. Consider me assured.

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    26. Re:Free speech is always to nice a thing by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Google is for all intents and purposes a common carrier, it serves as our community hall, mail system, our news papers, and so much more. Why should Google not be allowed to push polities into its search results, because the mailman should not be censuring and modifying my letters.

      Nope. Vimeo. Dailymotion. ZippCast. Twitch. YouTube is a private platform and they can decide whatever the fuck they like regarding what happens on it. Don't like it? Leave.

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  2. Here it is in action. by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny
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    1. Re:Here it is in action. by whitlocktj · · Score: 1

      Well played

    2. Re:Here it is in action. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      juhad jihad jewsaders aloe snackbar

      It seems like they're never really going to give up on this one.

    3. Re:Here it is in action. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Together with 72 virgins. Forever.

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    4. Re: Here it is in action. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Built nobody told me the virgins would be goats!

    5. Re:Here it is in action. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why settle with 72, when you can just stay on Slashdot.

    6. Re:Here it is in action. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      I don't get that virgin reward. Like they are meant to be people, so what, are they are being punished getting stuck with some rapey dick. Now if they are being punished, they means they were sent to Hell, which would mean the rapey dick, was also sent to Hell. Well, Hell ain't meant to be big on the rewards, so one can only assume you get sent there without the fun bits, all temptation and nothing from it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.... Seems the likely reward for those asshats.

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    7. Re:Here it is in action. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole thing is based on this old medieval idea that the rich men have harems, and the rest of the men don't get any sex unless they die for their dictator and get 72 virgins in heaven.

      The really bright idea this dictator had was to turn his rules into a religion, and have people actually believe them.

    8. Re:Here it is in action. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      All that's missing is chrome spray paint.

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  3. Thought police. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's so great to see the thought police are out in full force.

    1. Re:Thought police. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so if people search for Amy Schumer they will get Tomi Lahren instead?

    2. Re:Thought police. by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      so if people search for Amy Schumer they will get Tomi Lahren instead?

      Ehh neither one is funny or informative.

    3. Re:Thought police. by Maritz · · Score: 1

      It's so great to see the thought police are out in full force.

      Not as great as seeing how annoyed you are about it. Twats who think they get to say whatever they want, on whoever's private platform they want, deserve to be made miserable when reality bites. Cry censorship all you want.

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  4. Going to be amusing by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I look forward to the next "Reefer Madness" of anti-Jihadi content!

    Someone may as well enjoy it as they'll just link directly to videos from elsewhere...

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    1. Re:Going to be amusing by sound+vision · · Score: 2

      Reefer Madness was mildly amusing because of how ridiculously wrong parts of it were. When discussing Jihad, there's no need to make stuff up. (I mean, people do anyway - "Sharia law being implemented in 22 US states" etc. - but it's not strictly necessary, and the effect is far less amusing.)

    2. Re:Going to be amusing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you be surprised to find out that some of the things in a given propaganda video are true, and others are false? I don't mean trivially true things either, and I don't just mean jihadi videos. There's a variety of propaganda out there.

    3. Re:Going to be amusing by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I think you lack imagination as to hough laughably wrong anti-jihad video makers are going to get addressing the reasons people become radicalized. I know the Jihadis will certainly be laughing.

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  5. Ambivalent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm ambivalent.

    On one hand, this "redirect" is fundamentally stifling freedom of speech.

    On the other hand, religion is being used to trick ordinary people into being pawns in Banana Republic wars where the ultra-rich compete with each other for control of the worlds natural resources. It sure would be nice if ordinary people understood more clearly how they're allowing themselves to be exploited by the ultra-rich.

  6. automatic machine learning nanny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    very good, haha!

  7. Who determines the definition of hateful content? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is a video against socialized health care hateful? Is a video exposing the dangers of communism hateful? Is a video against men using women's bathrooms hateful?

    Thanks to the kind overlords at youtube, they'll just let us know so we don't have to think for ourselves.

  8. Somebody do us a favor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please list alternatives to youtube... The most useful posts are those with information on how and where to circumvent the censorship.

    1. Re:Somebody do us a favor? by Maritz · · Score: 1

      So you want alternatives to youtube, and you figure the best way to find that out is to ask on Slashdot? Checking back later? Posting as AC?

      Amazing job man.

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  9. Just use one of the other platforms! by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 2

    It's a free and open Internet, right? So, we should all be able to use any of our own streaming video sites that allow users to post content and share with others and put the onus for the content on the users! Right? Let's just do that. Which other platform should we use? Google doesn't have some special rights that we humans don't have, so this should be easy.

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    1. Re:Just use one of the other platforms! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything on the internet is equal but something are more equal than others.

    2. Re:Just use one of the other platforms! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      vimeo is quite nice, DailyMotion cleaned up their SDK (but it's still an ad-ridden mess, yuck!) ... probably won't do well trying to handle content serving yourself if you're a newcomer to the arena, but there are alternatives which provide at least enough API for control, upload, media/playlist management, which could enable a YouTube competitor.

      But really, the content they're looking to filter isn't some white guy getting mad because he saw a strawman thing about "college SJWs" and now he's going to give you a ~philosophical, political~ diatribe for the next 3 hours, it's like ... actual beheadings, actual incitation to violence, actual attempts to radicalize people on the fringes. You can chinstroke all day long over who gets to decide what constitutes radicalization, but I'm not going to lose any sleep because I can't see a guy get his head sawed off on YouTube, and it sent me to anger management videos instead.

      Why would this be any reason to depart from YouTube? Unless they're blocking mere controversies or politicizing the redirects, it's a good change.

    3. Re:Just use one of the other platforms! by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 1

      The only reason required to make me want to depart from YouTube is the impossibility of departing from YouTube. You like this cage? Great. It's a nice cage, I admit. I wonder what will happen if I try to use this service to criticize Google? I mean, not the chinstroking way talking head way. The effective way. What do you think will happen?

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    4. Re:Just use one of the other platforms! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nothing?

      On what grounds do you think that Google will start terminating your videos for taking a critical position? It's quite a leap from ISIS videos to "they're going to use this to delete any negative feedback" and though they've had some hiccups, there's nothing to suggest Google is inclined to bend that way.

      Why don't we not make this an adversarial thing and, for the sake of either proving me wrong, or for satisfying your position, go and produce some content. Anonymously rag on Google/YouTube, start posting videos. Edit your voice or blur your face if you must. Explain your positions thoroughly and articulately without straying into needless word salad.

      I think you've got a very healthy fantasy life, but you might want to tone down the paranoia by a few notches.

    5. Re: Just use one of the other platforms! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soulless Googler detected!

    6. Re:Just use one of the other platforms! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing?

      On what grounds do you think that Google will start terminating your videos for taking a critical position?

      They terminated my videos showing how Bing is the next big thing . . .

      It doesn't matter if _you_ don't fall for that - as long as the uninformed lots fall for such things.

    7. Re:Just use one of the other platforms! by Maritz · · Score: 1

      The impression I get from these comments is that Youtube has been enshrined by governance as the only place on the internet where videos can be posted. Pretty fucked up, isn't it?

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    8. Re:Just use one of the other platforms! by Maritz · · Score: 1

      The only reason required to make me want to depart from YouTube is the impossibility of departing from YouTube. You like this cage? Great. It's a nice cage, I admit. I wonder what will happen if I try to use this service to criticize Google? I mean, not the chinstroking way talking head way. The effective way. What do you think will happen?

      You think videos that criticize google or youtube get removed? lol. You must be a fucking idiot to think that.

      Just checked. Yes, you're a fucking idiot.

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    9. Re:Just use one of the other platforms! by Maritz · · Score: 1

      We believe you

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    10. Re:Just use one of the other platforms! by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 1

      How did you check to see if postings threatening (not merely critical) to Google don't get removed, genius?

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  10. So when you're searching for certain keywords... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The search doesn't work?
    Why not remove videos you don't want on your site instead of screwing up the search results?
    I guess it will match Googles own search that alters results depending on location and other things - which is garbage.

  11. You're kidding yourself, buddy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It sure would be nice if ordinary people understood more clearly how they're allowing themselves to be exploited by the ultra-rich.

    And YouTube redirecting is going to accomplish anything relative to preventing people from deciding to join a terrorist faction ? If you believe the answer is yes, you're kidding yourself.

    The problem is not the videos, the problem is many layers beneath any videos. For one example, consider that the US invading countries might act to convert people to what the US calls terrorism. You know, if your family is killed in a drone strike, that might just cause you to have significant anger toward the entity which is responsible. Ahh, but the governments which are engaged in wars of imperialism don't want you to believe that : they want you to believe THEIR cause is just and they are obviously ready to do anything to convince you, including censorship in the manner of a totalitarian state.

    The idea that YouTube censorship is going to accomplish anything is something only a fool would believe. You cannot change a man's mind just because you try to silence that which appeals to him. If anything, the very attempt to prevent a person from accessing some video makes that video
    significantly more attractive than it may ever have been otherwise. This is basic psychology, and anyone who has raised a teenager knows it is true.

    1. Re:You're kidding yourself, buddy. by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      This measure isn't aimed at the people getting hit by drones. It's aimed at the US-born Muslim who has nothing more than an ancestral connection to the Middle East, and gets radicalized entirely "by wire". Such people have committed a good chunk of the attacks on Western soil over the past few years.

      That said, I don't think it will be particularly effective. And of course, we wouldn't have the foreign Jihadis or their recruitment videos in the first place, without the long history of military intervention in the region.

  12. Re:So when you're searching for certain keywords.. by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

    Youtube already has content guidelines in place (nudity, violence, etc) -- great, enforce those. But circumventing a search because someone upstairs doesn't like the *message* in the video -- that's a whole other can of worms.

    Google/Youtube didn't get to their position by playing censor, and it's questionable of them to start now that they've got a lock on so many eyeballs. If google wants to be a near-monopoly, they should act in as neutral manner as possible.

  13. Re:So when you're searching for certain keywords.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't remove anything. They're a datamining company, this is how they make money.

  14. Who defines what is hateful by rey2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I definitely don't support terrorist/extremist videos that show murder, violence, terrorism, etc, but this says "hateful" content, that's such a loaded word. As a religious person I worry about the time Google and their employees decide that the very words or ideas from my religious text are "hateful". Not good not good at all.

    1. Re:Who defines what is hateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      If you're a Christian who disagrees with homosexual marriage then you're evil.
      If you're an Islam who wants to stone a wife of an adulterer to death then you're just expressing your culture.

    2. Re:Who defines what is hateful by Chuck+Messenger · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You mean hateful words like the following...?

      "Whoever does any work on [the Sabbath] must be put to death."

      "... in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes."

      "Whoever is captured will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses will be looted and their wives ravished."

      "Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

      "If anyone comes to me [Jesus] and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple."

      "They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."

      "We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city—men, women and children."

      "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death."

    3. Re:Who defines what is hateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you quote the hebrew bible so much?

      One quote from the gospel of Luke, good effort.

      If you're going to try and trap people with religious texts you should at least familiarize yourself with them first.

    4. Re:Who defines what is hateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, if "Hate speech is not protected by the first amendment," then whatever the powerful doesn't like becomes hate speech. So far mostly only the left is pushing that notion, but the right could easily learn from them. Then when right-wingers are in power, pro-freedom statements will be construed as hateful. Once you've compromised free speech, the only question becomes whether you'll get sent to the gulag or a concentration camp.

    5. Re:Who defines what is hateful by OYAHHH · · Score: 2

      If you are trying to define Christianity you are doing a poor job. I'll help you out. Christianity derives it's name by the fact that it's followers adhere to the teachings of Jesus Christ.

      You will find those teachings in a set of books organized under the title, "The New Testament."

      I think if you actually study the New Testament you will find that Jesus Christ's teachings do not espouse arbitrary hatred towards his fellow man.

      Unfortunately, as noted by someone else, you are for the most part attributing something to Christianity that is not found in the teachings of Christ.

      Have a good day.

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    6. Re:Who defines what is hateful by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They do need to be really careful, reserving this for only the most blatant material.

      There has been a spate of trolls submitting fake complaints of extremism and spam against videos they don't like (ContraPoints, Shaun & Jen and H.Bomberguy have all been hit that way) and YouTube's appeal process is a joke. In fact it usually only gets reversed when someone messages one of their staff on Twitter.

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    7. Re:Who defines what is hateful by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      What does any of that have to do with hate?

    8. Re:Who defines what is hateful by crafoo · · Score: 1

      These videos can be very enlightening to the 19 year old SJW-in-training. They need to see what the "religion of peace" openly promotes, and which the "moderate members" condone either openly or through strategic silence.

      hiding the truth is never the right move. We should be seekers of truth through critical thinking and open access to all of the information.

    9. Re:Who defines what is hateful by lucasnate1 · · Score: 2

      Nah, both are evil, the Christian is just using a mostly made up Islamophilia as an excuse for his shitty behaviour.

    10. Re:Who defines what is hateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's simple, are you calling for mass murder?

      If no, you're probably ok.

    11. Re:Who defines what is hateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We'll stop referencing the Old Testament books when Christians do.

    12. Re:Who defines what is hateful by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      I think if you actually study the New Testament...

      It's the New Testament where Jesus something along the lines of, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." That's Matthew 5:17-18, in case you're wondering.
       
      If you hang your hat on the New Testament, within that very book Jesus tells you that you've still got the anchor of the Old Testament around your neck. That is absolutely a teaching of Christ.
       
      Please refrain from whitewashing Christianity if you're not willing to actually follow the teachings of Christ. Have a good day.

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    13. Re: Who defines what is hateful by KGIII · · Score: 1

      You may wish to learn who the prophets were. None of the above quotes were from the prophets, I'm pretty sure.

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    14. Re: Who defines what is hateful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, yes, those are the English versions, not in the original language at all.

  15. (((Playlists))) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because, as everyone knows, there human species is physically unable to hide their messaging though code words to get around any possible censorship scheme.

  16. In related news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Google and Youtube decide that they don't like it when you search for boobies. Too extreme. Now they are redirecting you to websites featuring kittens and puppies. And before you ask, no, not sweater puppies.

  17. bugger by tezbobobo · · Score: 1

    As a researcher in this specific area, this is... unhelpful. :(

  18. Hopefully not just for jihadists by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    On my work PC, I watched one video by a centipede on Youtube. Not about anything political in fact. But since then, I've been getting white nationalist videos suggested to me. I wondered if it acts similarly for jihadist content.

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    1. Re:Hopefully not just for jihadists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they just know you are a closet racist ass hole.

  19. That MoonshotCVE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    organization is just plain creepy in their mission....

  20. Re:Fat Man with Asian Bride by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Creamer's married?

  21. The Redirect Method? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a clever name.

  22. Jewboiz no bess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Suppress extremists? Oh yes Page and Brin, Schmidt, Bezos and Zuckerwort and Lenin , Trotsky, Stalin ... all would have loved it ... seig heil komrade Alphabet. People who won't learn the-first-time ... eh pad're are duly educated the 2nd ? Seems not.

  23. ironic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "an Alphabet subsidiary whose mission is to counter extremism, censorship, and cyber attacks"

    Oddly, the subsidiary with a mission to counter censorship, is doing so with censorship.

  24. I tried it by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    I was shown how many bombs the USA has dropped https://www.youtube.com/result...

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  25. To counter censorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Right in the article

    The Redirect Method was developed by Jigsaw â" an Alphabet subsidiary whose mission is to counter extremism, censorship, and cyber attacks

    I still wonder if some of these people can stop a bit and start reflecting on what they are doing.

  26. This is hard by MpVpRb · · Score: 2

    Free speech is good

    Evil speech can be harmful

    Political speech against the party in power can be troublesome in some countries

    The first search should be uncensored. The following ones should include opposing views. Yeah, I know this is hard to do

    1. Re:This is hard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first search should be uncensored. The following ones should include opposing views. Yeah, I know this is hard to do

      It does only work in cultures that emphasize personal responsibility over religious or tribal adherence. Clash of cultures, it's right here. What to do with it? Who has reasonable answers that work within the life-time of a single generation?

  27. Anti-terror playlists? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will these consist of videos showing Britain, America and Israel mass murdering 'sub-Humans' in the middle east using weapon systems designed to fight WW3 against Russia?

    When the American alliance started leveling large parts of Iraq with 'smart' bombs after Saddam foolishly took US State Dept advice and invaded Kuwait, the jewish owned news network in Britain, ITN, had announcers literally wetting themselves with joy as they showed the results of 'shock n awe' that would murder in excess of 100,000 Iraqis within a few weeks.

    These murder videos, that mostly consisted of a missile eye POV, became the favourite news feed of the zionist mainstream media in the West- and of course the genocidal campaign culminated with 'the highway of death' when the retreating forces from Kuwait (mostly civilian) were exterminated by the British and Americans in the greatest single concentrated act of mass slaughter in Human History. But the owners of Google have publicly stated that glorying acts of mass murder by US, UK or Israel forces is most welcome on Youtube.

    The current extremist sunni terror forces- funded and armed by saudi Arabia- but only under direct instruction from Washington and London- directly resulted from Tony Blair's invasion of Iraq- and that invasion was a direct result of the impelmentation of the false-flag demanded in the infamous PNAC document- 9/11.

    The Iraq invasion and occupation converted leading members of Saddams armed forces into the command and control hierarchy of ISIS and co - which has a cult religious sunni wahhabi nature at the 'bottom', but is a ruthless MI6/CIA operation at the top- Saddam's med were not religious nutters. Blair's Iraq terror gangs were used to invade and destroy PNAC target nations that America felt unable to just bomb.

    Blair's 'arab spring' allowed terror movements to be portrayed as 'popular resistance' to the types of cretin who voted for Clinton. The same cretins failed to notice that Britain and the UK helped despotic regimes like Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE etc to exterminate genuine democratic movements in their lands. According to the zionist press that speaks on behalf of Clinton, modern secular muslim nations like Libya and Syria needed to be DESTROYED in the name of 'democracy', but wahhabi Saudi Arabia- best friend of Israel- needs ntohing but love and support from the West. And you Clinton cretins actually claim to operate with one iota of morality?

    When Britain ran slave economies, leaders of slave revolts were 'terrorists'. In many ex-empire countries, murdered popular leaders who were universally called 'terrorists' in the press of the UK and USA at the time now have statues to their honour, and the school kids of those nations are (rightly) taught about their heroism.

    But the wahhabi forces currently tearing up Libya, Syria, Yemen, Nigeria etc at the behest of Israel and Saudi Arabia are no-ones 'freedom fighters' in reality, no matter how hard neo-liberal 'funny men' on TV shows aimed at Clinton sheeple may claim. The wahhabi hoardes bringing Saudi doctrine to an ever expanding number of muslim regions (like indonesia and malaysia) are a tool of the Deep State of the West. Where wahhabi terror cannot be directly used, Saudi money simply buys local support for wahhabi political growth- as seen in the UK (where all major mosques are Saudi built and Saudi financed). Saudi trained 'judges' administer wahhabi 'justice' in more than a dozen muslim nations now- including indonesia.

    The owners of Youtube are hardly anti-terror. Google's top people regularly visit Israel to join in with celebrations of zionist hyper-violence against those they label as 'sub-Human'. But youtube will concentrate on promoting West and zionist terror from now on, allowing more 'trendy' outlets to appeal to the idiot suckers drawn to the wahhabi terror project of Washington and London.

    But it gets even worse. The 'ban' at Youtube is actually ultimately aimed at anti-establishment videos, like those whowing the success East Ukraine Humans

  28. No hypocrisy here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Alphabet subsidiary whose mission is to counter extremism, censorship, and cyber attacks"

    So they plan on countering censorship by censoring?

  29. Hateful an euphemism by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

    Of course terrorists will be used as an excuse to suppress political speech that they don't like. It wasn't enough to pull the carpet out from under political commentators in the form of ad revenue, to delete popular comments on poignant issues, to manipulate the trending list, and unsubscribing people's choices; they needed to go further to provide some helpful reeducation.

    Youtube has been an incredible platform for free speech, an amazing marketplace of ideas and information, where anyone with a determination to cut through the bullshit can be heard by millions and gain a following. But that's just too good to last, and it is definitely too dangerous to leave ignored.

  30. Kinda gets right to the heart of the matter by Solandri · · Score: 1

    Can a society which espouses free speech as a fundamental principle actually survive?

    Or are the jihadists correct that any society which wishes to survive must somehow control its citizens baser natural tendencies?

    Protecting stuff you believe in is easy. Protecting stuff you disagree with is the true litmus test of how strong your principles are. The moment you stop protecting speech you disagree with, you've tacitly admitted that the principle of freedom of expression is a failure. You become a supporter only of points of views you agree with. The same as the jihadists you are purportedly fighting against - they only allow points of view they agree with. Evelyn Hall understood this when she wrote, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

    1. Re:Kinda gets right to the heart of the matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as freedom anymore, not even free speech. I started watching these shows about people in Alaska living free. Sounded like an insane amount of work to go out and get your own wood, food, water, and protect yourself from the other animals out there. Still, the idea of real freedom sounded compelling. I started searching for land in Alaska. The search results revealed that Alaska hasn't allowed anyone to live free of property taxes since the 1990's. Even the "last frontier" is devoid of freedom. Get used to it. The world is now an empire. Unless you are top predator, you are not free.

  31. Easier if one is tolerant of dissenting views by jbn-o · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's easy to say "Evil speech is harmful" but not so easy to put any meaning to that glib statement. Noam Chomsky reminds us that free speech means being very tolerant for views one does not agree with which gives rise to the idea that the fix for whatever one might deem 'bad speech' is more speech: "Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If you're really in favor of free speech, then you're in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, you're not in favor of free speech." Niemoller ("First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Socialist. ... Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.") reminds us to ask how long until one's ideas are deemed "evil", "terroristic", or whatever other language triggers censorship on a particular hosting service.

    In the meantime, it's easy to upload to multiple places (such as archive.org) and host one's videos on one's own server thus avoiding YouTube's censorship altogether. I know this is a difficult tack to take on /.; take one look at any story having to do with proprietary software and see how quickly the posts advocating software freedom for its own sake are downvoted (without comment, of course, due to the structure of /.'s moderation system) while business-friendly (pro-DRM, pro-tinkering at the edges of giving into proprietary control) posts are left alone or upvoted. A far cry from what /. used to be when it began. I imagine different discussion sites have differing ad-hoc effective defintions for what's objectionable. All the more reason to host one's own blog.

    1. Re:Easier if one is tolerant of dissenting views by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe he said,

      Yeah, I know this is hard to do

    2. Re:Easier if one is tolerant of dissenting views by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      being very tolerant for views one does not agree with which gives rise to the idea that the fix for whatever one might deem 'bad speech' is more speech:

      I'm sure Chomsky assumes a civil, law abiding society with a police capable of protecting the population from the consequences of this additional speech.

    3. Re:Easier if one is tolerant of dissenting views by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the meantime, it's easy to upload to multiple places (such as archive.org) and host one's videos on one's own server thus avoiding YouTube's censorship altogether.

      You are "fake news": Youtube isn't taking the videos down. It's running ads next to them, ads for not being a jihadi. Click a few links further in TFA, and it's explicitly explained that the redirects use existing ad infrastructure. That's the shocking thing about this story: Youtube is aware of jihadi videos and is not taking them down.

      Perhaps that's because they believe this approach will do more good because "the fix for whatever one might deem 'bad speech' is more speech": keeping them on a platform with non-jihadis is actually excellent to non-jihadis' view because it breaks the filter bubble.

      And this is exactly what free speech was supposed to do all along, one of the big "whys" that we advocate for it. I guess we are supposed to be paying for our ideals continuously and never seeing any benefit, otherwise they aren't ideals? It's starting to seem as if Google : rabble :: men : SJW, and no matter how hard they try they can't do anything right.

      The weird, scary thing here is the way the news coverage and some of the PR copy both make it sound like censorship, as if the audience will like that. We have jumped the shark. The Western media has become more pro-censorship than Google.

  32. Busy SJW work to ban your protected speech by AHuxley · · Score: 1, Troll

    The SJW will be busy.
    No blasphemy. No cartoons that get people to question their faith or show what a faith is really about.
    No animations with music that allow people to understand the teachings of a cult or faith.
    No questions about Communist party history. No video clips about Communist party leaders.
    No video clips about local news reports on the results of illegal immigration.
    No news on the policy of allowing in a lot of illegal immigrants into a nation.
    No video clips that are negative about a movie script or the skills of any actors. No video clips on why an actor got a role.

    No video clips on agricultural policy and practices.
    No video clips on the results of health care funding.
    No video clips that show political leaders out of context. All political content must be from approved party released content.
    No showing a political leaders heath problems. No recordings of political groups or individuals in a political party engaged in criminal acts.
    No recordings that show journalists expressing their support for a political party.
    No memes or animation images placed over news, movie, political or religious content.

    Nations like the USA with freedom of speech and freedom after speech will see an influx of content back to US servers.
    People will still want to view history, news, animations, reviews without a SJW banning the accounts and all content.
    The more content the SJW ban, the more people will support brands that protect free speech.
    Sites in the USA that support free speech will grow as content, comment and fun finds new US brands.

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    1. Re: Busy SJW work to ban your protected speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the fucking fuck do you think SJWs are Communist? They aren't. They are useful idiots and running dogs of finance capital. Stop slandering Communists, we want nothing to do with the elitist SJW scum.

    2. Re: Busy SJW work to ban your protected speech by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Follow who is investing in social media and other nations laws AC.
      Too much on Tiananmen Square and that social media or video site will not be allowed in China.
      So the SJW will have to make a social media site more ready for growth and expansion in China.
      No Tiananmen Square. No Tank Man. No 1989 related comments, images, news or video clips.
      No anniversary of Tiananmen Square.
      No June 4th terms, student movement or federation comments.
      No democracy movement terms.
      Thats why free speech is so vital online.
      Free speech protects everyone from any government, political party, history of a political party, theocracy or just what some SJW wants to remove.

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  33. Re: Fat Man with Asian Bride by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you stopped raping your neighbor's goats yet?

  34. Proof of concept by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Now apply the Redirect Method to religious content...

  35. When fascism comes to America... by theblkadder · · Score: 2

    It won't be waving a flag and carrying a bible, it will be from companies and the government proclaiming their desire to protect all of us from "harmful" ideas.

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  36. Re:Who determines the definition of hateful conten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hate speech is whatever the folks in charge don't like. Currently, they're on the left so not making cakes is hateful and you'll be sent to the gulag. If the right gains power over the courts, making cakes will be hateful and you will be sent to a concentration camp.

  37. Reckless Remarks of Peace Wrecker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jul. 14, Juche 106 (2017) Friday

    Reckless Remarks of Peace Wrecker

    Shortly ago, the commander of the U.S. Strategic Force said that peace was their job and the U.S. possessed nukes to prevent a world war.

    This is nothing but deceptive farce to cover up the U.S. nuclear threats and blackmails to other countries and nuclear buildup with the veil of peace.

    It is none other than the U.S. which has disturbed peace since its foundation on the sea of skeletons of Amerindians. The Korean War, the Vietnamese War, military invasions of Granada and Panama, the Gulf War, the Balkan War and all others were committed by the U.S. to wreck peace.

    It is also due to the U.S. that vicious cycle of civil wars, terrorism and retaliations now continues in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria.

    The job of the U.S. is not peace but war.

    The U.S. was the only country which imposed a nuclear disaster upon humankind in the world. When the Japanese imperialists were at the door of defeat, the U.S. dropped nuclear bombs over Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The purpose was not to force Japan to surrender but to curb the growing socialist camp and realize the ambition for world domination.

    The U.S. scenario for the Korean War in the 1950s contained military invasion of the Far East of the Soviet Union and China. Humankind would have been embroiled in a new world war if the army and people of the DPRK had not given a defeat and disgrace to the U.S. imperialists in the Korean War called confrontation between rifle and A-bomb.

    The U.S. is, indeed, the shameless aggressor state, war state and the culprit disturbing peace as it leaves no means untried to achieve its sinister purpose.

    Jo Thaek Bom

    1. Re:Reckless Remarks of Peace Wrecker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The U.S. was the only country which imposed a nuclear disaster upon humankind in the world. When the Japanese imperialists were at the door of defeat, the U.S. dropped nuclear bombs over Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The purpose was not to force Japan to surrender but to curb the growing socialist camp and realize the ambition for world domination.

      This narrative really makes me mad and I keep seeing more of it. The US fucks up but this bit of historical revisionism and hind-sight 20/20 makes me livid. Did you look at the US invasion plans for the Japanese mainland? It would make D-Day look like a boy scouts camping trip. Here lets do some comparisons:

      Projected > 5,000,000 Americans and 1,000,000 British.
        Compare that to the 156,000 to take Normandy.

      The bombs were not even the worst bombing raids on Japan. Ever heard of Operation meetinghouse? I bet you don't give a shit about those bombing raids because hurr hurr nuclear. You think the 226,000 casualties of the bombs is "disaster upon humankind in the world. When over 60 million people died. You are a piece of shit.

      It wasn't as if the Japanese tried to stop the surrender with a Coup d'état or that they were arming every last man, woman, and child to fight to the bitter end.

      You are the type of ass hole that thinks you are in a position to judge history because you can sleep comfortably at night and not have to make decisions that will kill hundreds of thousands with any choice you make. War is hell and you are a piece of shit revisionist that wants confirmation of your bullshit bias to the Evil Empire.

      From the millions that didn't die because those bombs were dropped... Fuck you.

    2. Re:Reckless Remarks of Peace Wrecker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are presupposing that the Japanese were not on the brink of surrendering.

      GP is presupposing that the Japanese were on the brink of surrendering.

      Who knows the truth? Only the highest ranking Japanese officials at the time. Do you have a way to read what was in their minds? Neither you nor the GP actually know if the bombs were necessary or not. The world would be a better place if you both acknowledged that.

    3. Re:Reckless Remarks of Peace Wrecker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you didn't read about the Kyj incident. There were many in the Japanese command that didn't want to surrender. They were willing and numerous enough to attempt a coup against the Emperor to stop the surrender. The Americans can only make their decisions on what they knew. The choice for them was drop the bombs or invade.

      There are plenty of documents to acknowledge the motives of the Japanese military, the Emperor, and American military commanders. It isn't mind reading but seeing the documents and events that unfolded. OP wants to pick a few events and disregard all other factors to promote a narrative. You want to play the middle ground and muddy the history with ignorant armchair historical apologetics.

  38. Neil Gaiman said it best by mstrcat · · Score: 1

    This is not the best way to win a battle of ideas. Neil Gaiman says quite nicely here: http://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2015/05/neil-gaiman-credo Now I'm going to start searching youtube trying to get censored. Oh, yeah, and now I won't be able to trust any of google searches either.

  39. Re: Fat Man with Asian Bride by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    smelly hindu-chimps all over America are colonizing it right under your libturd nose

  40. Re:Who determines the definition of hateful conten by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

    Hate speech is whatever the folks in charge don't like. Currently, they're on the left

    Uhhhhh....

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  41. Youtube does by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    it's their website. To be honest though you'd be hard pressed to find a religious text that didn't have something hateful in it. Most of those texts are thousands of years old and the world was a rough place for a long time (still is in most places). Anyway I don't expect Google to focus on a specific religious text, just the parts that either insight violence or scare off advertisers (let's not forget Youtube's biz model).

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  42. Better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not just let people watch this crap and if they're found to be watching a lot of it flag it up for the authorities to investigate ?

    Censorship is always wrong. Free speech trumps everything else.

    But if you're going around continually saying "I want to kill people", "I want to make a bomb" etc. then it's quite right that you're investigated.

  43. So if one was to search for... by Outtascope · · Score: 1

    ...Promise Keepers I wonder where one would end up.

    1. Re:So if one was to search for... by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      At Promise Keepers.
      Christians rule, don't you know?
      Handmaid's anyone?

  44. Re: Fat Man with Asian Bride by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Goats are better looking than chinks.

  45. Machine learning new terms? Awesome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You searched for Tiananmen square massacre.

    Did you mean "nothing at all happened"?

  46. When will they redirect InfoWars, Breitbart, etc.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those are the real hateful and extremist videos that are having a bigger negative impact. Spreading their lies and misinformation to push their masters agenda...

    At some point, the conservative agenda will be exposed as the fraud it is.

  47. Censorship never ends well. by plague911 · · Score: 2

    Even with the best intentions.

  48. The question is, who decides? by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    When censors 'attack' extremeism, does that mean Milos Yanniopoulis is de-referenced?
    or does it only apply to brown-skinned men?
    Does it apply to anti-choice zealots demanding armed action? or does it apply only to Atheists denigrating them verbally?
    My bet?
    Christian crazies and Birthers will not be shut down, but breast cancer survivor class-action legal recruitment videos will.

  49. Re:When will they redirect InfoWars, Breitbart, et by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

    I recommend you read "Inside the Third Reich" by Albert Speer
    Nice examination of how the conservative agenda is NEVER exposed.

  50. This achieves nothing, but makes it worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The assumption is that the video material is searched for, rather than accessed by known URLs that get passed around either person to person or by other channels.

    Researchers however would not know those URLs without searching, so they would now lose access to the source material, while the video target audience is unaffected, so they can't do their work as easily as before.

    What this achieves in practice then is to create a safe haven for posting the material and viewing it via the URL you have been handed, which of course is the exact opposite of what was the goal.

    Game theory - study it.

  51. No need to make stuff up re: radical islam? by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    That's not true, there are plenty of made up things in how it is portrayed. For example, the notion that anyone is beinh radicalized over the internet. Everyone uses Syed Farook's wife as an example even though claims of her radicalization online were a hoax. The idea that internet companies could do more than fuckall about any of this aside from cover their own asses is perhaps the biggest forgery about it.

  52. Because there are no extreme anti-terrorist videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Brian McBadAss here on YouTube to show you, the American patriot, how to snap a sand n's neck with a single finger. Stay tuned for more extreme survivalist tips and tricks."