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Sperm Counts Among Western Men Have Halved In Last 40 Years, Says Study (theguardian.com)

New submitter flote shares a report from The Guardian: Sperm counts among men have more than halved in the last 40 years, research suggests, although the drivers behind the decline remain unclear. The latest findings reveal that between 1973 and 2011, the concentration of sperm in the ejaculate of men in western countries has fallen by an average of 1.4% a year, leading to an overall drop of just over 52%. The study, published in the journal Human Reproduction Update by an international team of researchers, drew on 185 studies conducted between 1973 and 2011, involving almost 43,000 men. The team split the data based on whether the men were from western countries -- including Australia and New Zealand as well as countries in North America and Europe -- or from elsewhere. After accounting for factors including age and how long men had gone without ejaculation, the team found that sperm concentration fell from 99 million per ml in 1973 to 47.1 million per ml in 2011 -- a decline of 52.4% -- among western men unaware of their fertility. For the same group, total sperm count -- the number of sperm in a semen sample -- fell by just under 60%.

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  1. Wild guess by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Obesisty?

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    1. Re:Wild guess by bogaboga · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No...Blame the food. Whenever I go to those so called 3rd world countries, their fruits taste better, have an aroma and someone can tell that a neighbor is preparing beef or poultry from the perceived smell.

      When one visits the fruit section of some of these so called healthy food stores, not an iota of smell/scent of fruit is perceived! Something is surely wrong here.

    2. Re:Wild guess by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      hm. Watch films from the seventies. Notice how skinny everyone is.

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    3. Re: Wild guess by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 5, Funny

      Not being able to belch and fart in public, no more wolf-whistling or swearing like a sailor, the cancellation of the Man Show, eating fscking gluten-free vegan yoghurt steak-substitute, and having to get in touch with our "feelings", not only are sperm counts heading for zero, at this rate we're going to start having periods.

    4. Re:Wild guess by judoguy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Exactly what I was going to post

      Fat = more estrogen = less sperm

      Not to mention the other parts of our diet.

      Try the massive contamination of drinking water with estrogen from birth control pills as well as the estrogen mimickers such as soy products.

      Every time Mr. Skinny Jeans gets a soy Cappuccino along with his Tofu smoothie, goodbye a little of the Mr. and hello a little more of the Ms.

      I'm all for reproductive rights, but if you even mention the possibility that all those birth control pills are screwing up the hormonal balance of literally everything that uses water, at least in the U.S., holey moley, the feminists will scream bloody murder.

      Repeat after me: "Nothing, nothing on Earth matters more than MY reproductive rights!! Not my health, not your health, not the frogs and fishes health. NOTHING!!!"

      Estrogen

      Estrogen

      Estrogen

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    5. Re: Wild guess by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      Once again you are ahead of "your time"

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    6. Re:Wild guess by manu0601 · · Score: 2

      Try the massive contamination of drinking water with estrogen from birth control pills as well as the estrogen mimickers such as soy products.

      You missed one major suspect: endocrine disruptors

    7. Re: Wild guess by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't know. I'm no where near overweight (around 15% BF) and my wife and I are having some trouble with conceiving, so I got my sperm levels checked and they are quite low. Oddly my T-levels are on the high side of normal. I'm fit and run 30-40 miles per week. No grey hair and no guy at all.

      145lbs and 37 years old.

      You're probably too skinny. Too low a body weight also lowers sperm production.

      A man's fertility may be affected by his weight, a new study shows. Men who are either too fat or too thin may find that they have lower sperm counts, often low enough to be classed as 'impaired fertility'. The study, undertaken by researchers in Denmark and published in the journal Fertility and Sterility, could lend weight to the possibility that high levels of obesity in Western societies may be contributing to fertility problems.

      The researchers studied 1558 Danish men, comparing their sperm count to their body mass index (BMI - a measure of weight in relation to height). They found that men with either a low or a high BMI had differences in reproductive hormone levels as well as lower sperm counts than men of the recommended weight. Men with a low BMI (below 20) were, on average, found to have a 28 per cent lower sperm count and a 36 per cent lower sperm concentration than men with a normal BMI. Men with a high BMI (above 25) had a 22 per cent lower sperm count and 24 per cent lower sperm concentrations.

      So if you're already borderline, all that running will make it worse. Same as too high a level of testosterone will.

      Also, what do you mean by "no guy at all?"

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    8. Re: Wild guess by sexconker · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing he meant "no gut at all".

    9. Re: Wild guess by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      eating fscking gluten-free vegan yoghurt steak-substitute

      And where can we buy such a thing?

      Thanks in advance.

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    10. Re:Wild guess by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Watch films from the fifties. Notice how everyone is either black or white or Michael Jackson.

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    11. Re:Wild guess by hord · · Score: 2

      This was my thought. Our food supply is becoming more plastic all the time and I don't meant he packaging.

    12. Re:Wild guess by geek · · Score: 5, Funny

      I blame skinny jeans. I've been in boxers and loose pants for decades and have no issues. I see these young beta males running around in skin tight jeans and I just figure they never want kids or something.

    13. Re: Wild guess by aliquis · · Score: 2

      Isn't the effect of soy small or nonexistent or positive? I eat a lot of licorice which is negative for a fact. But what about all of them in plastics? and such? Isn't that the real trouble. We definitely know they are in our environment.

    14. Re:Wild guess by jblues · · Score: 2

      The increase in processed starchy foods and I would theorize perhaps too much reduction in saturated fats - which support male sex hormone production. In fact, while processed foods were eaten less, in favor of whole foods, including fattier meats, they were prepared with lard and tallow in place of hydrogenated vegetable oils. That fat is gone either way.

      Ancel Keys showed that saturated fat wasn't good for heart health, but we may have gone overboard and/or replaced it favor of crappy overly-processed starchy foods

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    15. Re:Wild guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hi manu0601, you beat me to it! :) I was going to link to Phthalates in general since they're so commonly used, especially in food manufacturing equipment and packaging (plastics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phthalate They're used is far larger amounts than in contraceptive pills and since they don't chemically bind to the plastics they're put into, they can easily leech out into any food their in contact with. Leeching is also augmented by temperature, acidity, fats & oils, salt, etc.. They're ubiquitous and not something we can completely avoid without leaving civilisation behind and living in the woods.

    16. Re:Wild guess by ArylAkamov · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is likely the packaging too, look at plastics that leech BPA, which mimics estrogen.

    17. Re:Wild guess by sound+vision · · Score: 2

      I was thinking along the lines of BPA, triclosan, and other chemicals that are common in food/drug related products that mimic estrogen.
      I think the FDA recently banned triclosan from consumer products, but that might be too recent to have an impact on long-term studies yet.

      As far as smells in the grocery store, typically things aren't cooked in the store throughout the day, and when they are it's in a separate room with probably separate ventilation. "Rooms" and "ventilation" are things that don't exist in a third-world open-air BBQ pit.

    18. Re:Wild guess by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not sure if that is the cause, but the issue you describe is related to the fact that most fruits and vegetables these days are grown far away, and to save money on refrigeration, the fruit is picked green and allowed to ripen in transit. The downside is that the chemical processes are not the same as ripening on the tree/vine/etc. and you wind up with highly acidic produce lacking in some nutrients.

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    19. Re:Wild guess by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      Now that I would believe, which is one of the reasons why my family only drinks RO filtered water (made by my RO filter under my sink). That and I prefer not to drink the chemical waste from the aluminum fabrication process (sodium fluoride)...

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    20. Re:Wild guess by 4wdloop · · Score: 1

      Partially, PlayBoy and Internet continue to drain the resources?

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    21. Re:Wild guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm under the impression that soy protein mimics estrogen. Soy is in almost everything now. It didn't used to be.

    22. Re: Wild guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seems you misunderstand the meaning of the term "snowflake", and have used it in error. Do you self-identify as a Liberal? If so, that might explain it, as that group routinely misapplies labels to others.

    23. Re:Wild guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These feminists sound like the worst. I mean, at least the ones that definitely exist and definitely said things that are characterized accurately by what you put in quotes. The articles you linked don't have any feminists saying anything like that, but the post is modded 5 informative so I'm assuming it's good information, and not jumping to conclusions. About feminism.

    24. Re:Wild guess by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A combination of obesity in men (besides not being able to spell) and the most highly educated women, those in academia, hating men

      When did "women won't have sex with me" turn into "women hate all men".

      Most of the women in academia that I know personally are in relationships. Bit of an odd claim that they hate men.

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    25. Re: Wild guess by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Also, what do you mean by "no guy at all?"

      Possibly you have identified the root cause of the lack of sperm count.

    26. Re:Wild guess by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      How is "the most highly educated women, those in academia, hating men" supposed to lower the male population's sperm count?

      That's one batshit crazy conspiracy theory.

      And it's not even true. The biggest misandrists are men, the ones who go around calling others "beta" and "cuck" all day.

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    27. Re: Wild guess by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      That's a town in Guizhou. Did you mean baizuo?

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    28. Re:Wild guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Could be worth pointing out that the alfa was a violent serial rapist and that females preferred mating with beta males in the study that popularized the terms.

    29. Re:Wild guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thanks.

      Moron.

      You didn't need to sign off on your post. We could already tell who you were from your response.

    30. Re:Wild guess by TimothyHollins · · Score: 1

      I don't think GP suggested banning the pill.

      Perhaps the issue could be lessened with different strength versions being available? You know, match the strength to your actual uptake capacity. It would be sort of tricky since you'd need to take pill and then measure the concentrations in the urine, and I doubt many people would do it.

      Or perhaps we could stop selling pills and start marketing patches more aggressively? They work just like nicotine patches but stay on for a week. They work a lot better when it comes to a slow, controlled, release which should (theoretically) reduce the amount of non-binding estrogen diffused in urine. It is also much easier to dispose of safely, as it does not dissolve in water. Finally, changing patches once a week is much easier to remember than swallowing a pill every day.

      Or some other "operation" method, which are the ones the local gynos keep recommending as they are the most effective. But they are more invasive, and not everyone is comfortable with them (and it doesn't work for everyone).

      I most certainly don't want the women in my presence to stop using contraceptives, but I also want my children my grow up on a planet that has fishes, insects, and small mammals.

    31. Re: Wild guess by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      See... and I assumed it was actually all the fapping to xHamster. Men in the west no longer have a chance to build up sperm count because it's constantly being shot out in front of a screen.

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    32. Re:Wild guess by msauve · · Score: 2

      Watch films from the 20's. No one could talk.

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    33. Re: Wild guess by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      Testicles need to stay several degrees below body temperature for proper sperm production, so wearers of tight pants are going to have serious fertility issues.

      Natural selection at work - hipsters will become extinct. YAY!

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    34. Re: Wild guess by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      Republicans and Liberals routinely misapply labels to others.

      And some labels are just a waste of time.

    35. Re:Wild guess by DickBreath · · Score: 2

      It is not just Obesity.

      Smoking is a culprit as well. Smoking affects both the color and taste of semen. Uh, so I am told. So it might affect sperm count and motility as well.

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    36. Re: Wild guess by countach74 · · Score: 1

      15% body fat isn't particularly skinny. Your reference talks about men with a BMI less than 20. I hover at around 10-11% body fat and have > 20 BMI. Honestly, BMI is such a poor measure of anything at all that I doubt that study is very useful. Also relevant: having less body fat than the OP, I apparently have a very high sperm count (or something) as my wife and I have barely been able to stop having children. It may be that being very skinny has an effect on fertility, but it's one of many factors and my guess is neither me nor the OP are skinny enough to matter.

    37. Re:Wild guess by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

      Just ignore that class then. I mean how hard can that be - a class is what, max 30 or 40 people? Jeez Louise!

    38. Re:Wild guess by JonnyCalcutta · · Score: 1

      You're not meant to smoke them. Try snorting them instead.

    39. Re: Wild guess by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      That's true, and it makes food taste like ashes and regret, but I'm wondering if that's the only reason.

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    40. Re:Wild guess by electroniceric · · Score: 3, Informative

      Good points, notwithstanding the snark about hipsters being feminine (I mean, where do you go with lumberjack beard AND skinny jeans?).

      Anyway, I think you're missing a huge culprit, possible the biggest one: PLASTIC.

      It's in absolutely everything. These even if you're drinking raw tiger blood, if you're on Slashdot odds I daresay you're not out in the tundra killing it with your stone-tipped spear. That means organic or "conventional", vegan or meagan, it's been shipped in plastic, or you're consuming it in a plastic container, with plastic utensils.

      Plastic is a known estrogen mimic:
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...

      I'd bet on plastic over soy any day.

      Though to be fair, soy is found in a fair wider variety of foodstuffs than anyone had imagine. Plus, when you get into questions of diet and the effect of different foods it gets really hard to figure out what the "natural" human diet is.

    41. Re:Wild guess by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      When did "women won't have sex with me" turn into "women hate all men".

      It's a coping mechanism. Rather than thinking that they are somehow inadequate or unlovable, they choose to believe that women simply hate men and are only trying to exploit them. That way not only isn't it a personal failing, it's actually a positive thing, unlike the poor cucks and betas getting used.

      It started with the Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) movement, and kind of developed into a philosophy until it was adopted by other groups like incels (guys suffering "involuntary celibacy", i.e. can't get a anyone to sleep with them) and simple misogynists too.

      I have some sympathy for those guys, a lot of them have clearly had bad experiences, and relationships are very important to people. But reading some of the stuff on Reddit is pretty scary.

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    42. Re: Wild guess by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      You're misidentifying republicans as liberals.
      See what I did there? The same as you. Please stop.

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    43. Re:Wild guess by jd.schmidt1 · · Score: 1

      I have heard this also and one tip I saw that made sense it take another look at canned and frozen vegetables (otherwise minimally processed). I have heard those are picked and frozen or canned closer to fully ripe and that well done those processes really do a good job of preserving the food. Also, locally produced is good.

    44. Re:Wild guess by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

      You might try out a home bread maker... couple hundred bucks from Amazon, but my god it is about 1000 times better than the chemical laden junk in stores in the US at least.

    45. Re:Wild guess by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 1

      The birth control in the water was a thing at least as far back as the 90s in the UK from what I remember. I don't think eating tofu actually causes harm though from what I've read.

      What scares me is not just the birth control runoff in drinking water, but all the other scary ass chemicals that might be in there that we all consume. It can't be too healthy.

    46. Re:Wild guess by lsatenstein · · Score: 2

      No...Blame the food. Whenever I go to those so called 3rd world countries, their fruits taste better, have an aroma and someone can tell that a neighbor is preparing beef or poultry from the perceived smell.

      When one visits the fruit section of some of these so called healthy food stores, not an iota of smell/scent of fruit is perceived! Something is surely wrong here.

      So do we blame Monsanto for the GMFruit? In my youth, a Tomato was bright red, and juicy. Now the ones we buy (packaged on the vine), are pink, dry and bland.
      Pretty soon there will be seedless tomatoes. I want seeds that I can put into my own backyard and grow the old juicy red tomatoes of yesteryear.

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    47. Re:Wild guess by WeezulDK · · Score: 1

      Soy. Look at the harmful effects from soy.

    48. Re:Wild guess by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      PLEASE stop spreading the Weston A Price bullshit re soy.

      Diet is a factor, including meat consumption and preservatives

      http://www.nationalchickencoun...

    49. Re:Wild guess by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      It can still be the case that everyone was black or white or Michael Jackson even if nobody was Michael Jackson.

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    50. Re:Wild guess by ath1901 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Citation needed! I can't believe this got +5 Insightful.

      Where is the evidence supporting your claim? Has the nutritional value of fruits decreased since the 70s? You could blame anything that has changed since 1973. Why not the lack of lead in gasoline or Internet porn?

      Before anyone blames it on any hormone like chemical found in plastics/fertilizers/pesticides/whatever, please show that our exposure has at least increased! For many nasty chemicals our exposure peaked in the 70-80s which increased awareness and regulations during later generations. Our exposure has decreased for many nasties, not increased. Lead being the obvious example but probably many other nasties like plastic softeners etc.

    51. Re:Wild guess by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 2

      There's other methods of birth control which not only do not screw with the environment but are a lot safer for women. If you tried getting your standard version of the Pill through the FDA now, about the only thing that'd actually get it approved would be feminists claiming that it's getting blocked because apparently it's misogyny to insist that a medicine that's intended at least mostly for women stand up to the same level of scrutiny as any other medicine.

      A surprising number of pharmaceuticals get dumped out of the body in urine pretty much intact. There's little to no effort to actually remove these from sewage during the treatment process. A lot of the indicators are that this is actually one of the nastier overall types of pollution--but, well, actually doing something about it would require personal sacrifice by the privileged classes, instead of symbolic acts, virtue-signalling, or pushing the sacrifices onto the less-privileged.

      Of course, if you want a very safe, very reliable, very environmentally-friendly form of birth control? Get a vasectomy.

    52. Re:Wild guess by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      Implants have currently the best success rate when it comes to female contraception--better than anything short of a hysterectomy--and the main problem is that the cost of having to take them out later isn't apparently mentioned, which suggests two basic problems of varying significance. "Removal costs money" is something that ought to be covered in obtaining informed consent.. Designing it so it'll be completely absorbed into the body when spent, however, would have distinct benefits--especially if that doubles as a way for a woman to tell how much longer her implant is likely to remain effective.

    53. Re:Wild guess by dryeo · · Score: 1

      They've also been bred (and now GMO'd) for the characteristics of shipping well and looking good in the store, rather then being nutritious.

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    54. Re: Wild guess by Straycat35 · · Score: 1

      Endocrine disrupters like many plastics.

    55. Re:Wild guess by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      No need for a bread maker. I bake my own sourdough loaves weekly with starter I made years ago and keep fresh in the fridge. The process is so easy I call it "the lazy man hobby".

      Step One: Pull starter out of fridge.

      Step Two: Mix 50 grams of starter with 150 grams each of water and flour in a clean container and set aside until it bubbles. Stir is down and place in back in fridge.

      Step Three: Place the rest of the starter in a clean bowl, mix in 450 grams of flour, 10 grams of salt, and 250 grams of water.

      Step Four: Let sit for an hour or so.

      Step Five: Shape into a ball.

      Step Six: Let sit until doubled in size.

      Step Seven: Knock the dough down, place in baking pan and let sit until doubled in size again.

      Step Eight: Bake at 450F for 50 minutes or until internal temp reaches 210F.

      Step Nine: Let cool.

      Step Ten: Eat your freshly baked sourdough bread.

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    56. Re:Wild guess by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      When did "women won't have sex with me" turn into "women hate all men".

      At about the 3rd or 4th rejection.

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    57. Re: Wild guess by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      The word you're looking for is "plasticisers", not "plastics". Plastics are, by definition, large, polymeric molecules which are essentially immobile under physiological conditions. "Plasticisers" on the other hand are small mobile molecules which disrupt the adhesion between polymer chains (not limited to cross-linking, though that is something you want to control too), making the bulk mixture more flexible and elastic. (Sometimes plasticity is desired, but more often elasticity.) Plasticiser molecules are far more mobile under physiologically relevant conditions than plastic polymers. Just to confuse the matter (not that plastics chemistry isn't already the subject of dozens of journals and hundreds of thousands of published papers - and the proprietory work within companies), some monomers which have not polymerised into the bulk plastic act as plasticisers - and also remain mobile.

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    58. Re: Wild guess by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      RE: fertility - That's what she said. But seriously, just because you can reproduce easily with one woman doesn't mean that you will have the same results with another.

      The percentage of body fat is a better indicator than BMI by itself. Low body fat == more likely to have problems reproducing. Same as too much body fat. There is an optimum weight and an optimum amount of body fat.

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    59. Re: Wild guess by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      The hipster trait is not genetic (have you ever see hipsters who's parents are hipsters?) They pick it up from the environment not mom and dad.

      WARNING WARNING LACK OF FUNNY BONE DETECTED!

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    60. Re: Wild guess by countach74 · · Score: 1

      Definitely. Many factors at play, for sure. And yes, body fat is a better indicator, I would assume. But because the study used BMI, we don't really know at what body fat percentage it's a problem, unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible. Either way, 15% body fat is solidly in the range of healthy and is normal for a fit man.

    61. Re:Wild guess by Tintivilus · · Score: 1
    62. Re:Wild guess by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1
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    63. Re:Wild guess by martinfb · · Score: 1

      Of course!
      Fat men have fat sperm; which means less sperm per unit area.

      It's like airline seats: once upon a time, a normal sized human could fit 1 person per seat - 3 in a half row (3 seats).
      Now, one fat person takes that entire half-row!

      It's not rocket science. It's survival of the fattest!

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    64. Re: Wild guess by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Definitely. Many factors at play, for sure. And yes, body fat is a better indicator, I would assume. But because the study used BMI, we don't really know at what body fat percentage it's a problem, unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible. Either way, 15% body fat is solidly in the range of healthy and is normal for a fit man.

      No, 18.5 is the lower range for healthy BMI. 15 is too low. As for body fat, almost nobody accurately measures it - they use readings that are completely bogus from exercise machines and scales.

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    65. Re:Wild guess by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Step Eleven: Go to bed.

      Step Twelve: Pull starter out of the fridge.

      ...

    66. Re:Wild guess by Ocker3 · · Score: 1

      This comment, is just, so, well, 1991, but also, ya'know, like, referential and stuff. I dunno, I can't come up with a really cool comment like I was hoping, but I Really got a kick out of yours :D

    67. Re:Wild guess by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      There is also BPA in some heat sensitive paper - you know, like the one they use in every till and card machine. I was working on some software for handheld computers which connect to a thermal printer to print receipts, invoices etc. They original chop who coded it (was an idiot) hard coded all the company details, address, phone numbers etc. By the time they got me to change it the company had changed address three times and even their tax numbers, phone numbers etc. So moving it into a database and removing the hard coding required a LOT of test printing. Out of curiosity I looked up what was in it. After that I was very careful to keep my exposure to the paper down, just in case. My moobs are big enough as it is.

      As far as smells go, I am in a 3rd world country, and we don't ALL use barbecue pits. I for instance use a standing barbecue, see some first world stuff has rubbed off. To be honest though, the fruit probably smells "better" because it's lower grade fruit, all the best fruit is exported. My wife went to the U.K. once and couldn't believe the quality of the fruit and remarked on it to the cashier, who told her it came from her own country.

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    68. Re: Wild guess by countach74 · · Score: 1

      BMI of 15 is certainly too low. But I don't see where that was ever mentioned. The OP said 15% body fat.

    69. Re: Wild guess by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Body fat percentages below 18% for men are also a problem. Athletes (who have lower body fat percentages) also have reproductive problems due to, among other things, lower sperm counts. The body interprets lower fat as a time of famine, and it's not exactly a great situation to bring new offspring into the world, where their survival may be problematic. Stick to 18-25% (normal) for the greatest chance of success for men, 25-31% for women.

      Outside the norms in either direction carries consequences.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    70. Re: Wild guess by countach74 · · Score: 1

      Body fat percentages below 18% for men are also a problem. Athletes (who have lower body fat percentages) also have reproductive problems due to, among other things, lower sperm counts.

      Citation needed. It's true that female athletes are effected this way, but I am unaware and cannot find anything indicating the same is true for men, OTHER than the study mentioned earlier which talked about BMI, which is a poor measure of anything. I feel like we're going in circles here, as it seems that you keep referencing the study that studied the effects of BMI, yet now we're talking about body fat. Or I'm missing something, which is entirely possible.

  2. Count THIS! by mnemotronic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ha! {wipes off mouse}

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  3. Pornography. by intellitech · · Score: 1, Troll

    Easier access to porn. Duh.

    Masterbating is bad for you!

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    1. Re:Pornography. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Masterbating is bad for you!

      I agree, masterbating is very bad. Masturbating, on the other hand, is enjoyable.

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    2. Re:Pornography. by dogvomit · · Score: 1

      Masturbating, on the other hand, is enjoyable.

      Masturbating on the other hand sounds kinky. I think the floor is an easier target.

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    3. Re:Pornography. by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Masturbating affects one's ability to spell correctfully.

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    4. Re:Pornography. by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      What if you only have one hand?

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    5. Re:Pornography. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      I don't know. Frottage rubs me up the wrong way.

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  4. Re:Is this a bad thing? by lobiusmoop · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of the first 5 minutes of Idiocracy... the high-IQ couple with the fertility issue. Meanwhile the overall population is now 7.5Bn and still rising,,, Oh well.

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  5. Extremely interesting... by Sqreater · · Score: 3, Funny

    Have they done a study to determine if there has been a balancing increase in sperm production by western women?

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    1. Re:Extremely interesting... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      http://lmgtfy.com/?q=futanari (NSFW*!!!)

      * probably NSFH either.

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    2. Re:Extremely interesting... by omnichad · · Score: 2

      Dr. Ian Malcolm: I'm simply saying that life, uh... finds a way.

    3. Re:Extremely interesting... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      "A genre or character in art or literature that features a female that has all feminine attributes except that she has a penis. This can include her having a vagina, .." Most likely NSFW, but otherwise it's just the well-known "shemale" trope. You can find adverts for this in your local newspaper - look for the keyword "operation".

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  6. Pthalates and bromides. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hormone interfering chemicals sold to you as conveniences and assured safe by corporate-paid liars have shrunk your balls, son.

    Don't worry, Republicanism is pretending it's not a problem.

    1. Re: Pthalates and bromides. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      To be fair, why is lower fertility a problem?

      We live on a planet of limited resources. Adding billions of people to the planet is going to hurt the survivability of our race.

    2. Re: Pthalates and bromides. by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Which is why our diets are being used to limit population. War is losing favour and other means of overtly culling the general population are still not widely acceptable. Soya FTW!

    3. Re: Pthalates and bromides. by easyTree · · Score: 1

      I imagine there's data to indicate that religion is socially inherited as are eating habits etc from those around us who generally share genes.

    4. Re: Pthalates and bromides. by easyTree · · Score: 2

      In other words it makes little practical difference if it's inherited as it derives from circumstances which walk hand-in-hand with heredity.

    5. Re: Pthalates and bromides. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. Otherwise religious folks wouldn't have atheist kids or vice versa, or kids who switch religions.

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  7. Yes. by intellitech · · Score: 1

    Sarcasm / trollface intended.

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    1. Re: Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wait - why is it actually bad ?

      We want less kids, no?

    2. Re: Yes. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Wait - why is it actually bad ?

      We want less kids, no?

      One does not follow the other. Testosterone is a major necessity for males, and is used in much more than sperm production.

      So while it is a good idea to not breed like bunnies, only apocalyptic misandrysts can be happy about this.

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    3. Re: Yes. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Well it would be nice if we had less that grew up to be the type of person who can't figure out that only one is required so this doesn't affect ability to conceive.

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    4. Re: Yes. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1, Troll

      Wrong, more than one sperm is required. The sperm spin the egg to cause the equatorial region to thin out enough for one to penetrate.

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    5. Re: Yes. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      A ... finally an expert!

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    6. Re: Yes. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      You comment makes not much sense. Infertile men, means neither females nor males are produced. Let's be honest men not having to sacrifice them selves to have children makes life a whole lot easier for men. They'll end up living in a home they own far sooner and they will own it for the rest of their lives if they want to. If fact the only way men gain substantive control over their own lives, is to remain single and non-reproductive, otherwise they must sacrifice a substantive portion of their lives for a 2 in 5 chance of improving it versus a 3 in 5 chance of making it much worse, much, much, worse. Being an infertile slacker, meh, who gives a fuck (heh, heh).

      The weirdness of the patriarchy, that men have a right to sex with females whether or not they impregnate them is tied to those at the top of patriarchy retaining their power so that they can abuse all others men and women and of no real benefit for the majority of people who just get trapped in relationships that are made dysfunctional by disturbed psychopathic patriarch design and distortion caused by main stream media and content created by narcissists and psychopaths that distort the rest of society to align with their mentally disturbed state. Keep in mind fertility does not relate to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and how many people would use an inhaler that provided a drug which simulated the affect and how often would they use it, keep in mind that drug would be mimicking the drugs your own brain produces to motivate you to do, what in modern society is not really in your best interests to do.

      More important question, are men with lower sperm counts more of less happy than men with higher sperm counts.

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    7. Re: Yes. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      More important question, are men with lower sperm counts more of less happy than men with higher sperm counts.

      Weogh! That was a hard to parse as a Sarah Palin speech, so I'll just hit on the basics.

      Your noting that a lot of men avoiding having children is part of another trend Men are becoming less interested in marriage, and oddly, women are becoming more interested than a few years back. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... And given some other trends, the numbers might decrease yet more. Certainly given that college campuses are trending a 10 percent gape between female and male and growing, http://www.pewresearch.org/fac... there wil be a lot of educated women - who probably do not want to marry lesser educated men - who are going to have an issue with marriage and reproducing.

      There might be some relationship between lower testosterone levels and men dropping out of society and marriage and children - I don't know enough to make that presumption. Generally when you ask those men who choose to opt out, thier ansers tend to be that marriage and relationships are just not a good deal for men. They do make an argument that is fairly convincing and rational. But once we get into social matters it is hard to get definitive causes and effects.

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    8. Re: Yes. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Shit /r/RedPill and /r/MGTOW are leaking.

    9. Re: Yes. by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      One does not follow the other. Testosterone is a major necessity for males, and is used in much more than sperm production.

      TFA doesn't mention testosterone being down.

    10. Re: Yes. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Women went off marriage because it was a crappy deal for them. The strong expectation was to give up their career, become the main care giver for the kids. As that changed and marriage got more compatible with ideas of gender equality, they started showing more interest again.

      I don't agree that there are convincing or rational arguments that marriage is a bad deal for men. Okay, there are some legal issues in some places, but the same thing is true for women and has always been (e.g. spousal rape laws, unequal rights to request divorce). What has changed is that men now have greater responsibility and less control in marriage, and some men don't like that.

      One of the most common arguments is about financial responsibilities after divorce. Others are complaints about women no longer having to "obey" their husbands (that actually came up in court in the UK a few years ago - a juror asked if a wife's lie could be excused as following her old fashioned marriage vows), or fulfil traditional wife roles. And I think a lot of people just rush into marriage too quickly and then decide they don't want to be with that person, but already have kids and a shared life (house, property, bank account) that is hard to unravel. They feel jilted and angry that they can't just walk away when all the unreasonable behaviour was on their partner's side.

      As for educated women not wanting to marry less educated men... To the extent that it does happen, it is a problem, I agree, but a relatively minor one in the scheme of things.

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    11. Re: Yes. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      One does not follow the other. Testosterone is a major necessity for males, and is used in much more than sperm production.

      TFA doesn't mention testosterone being down.

      Ol Olsoc does. https://www.healio.com/endocri...

      http://www.webmd.com/men/news/... http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/d...

      A low Testosterone level in a male decreases sperm count. In on of those weird twists of fate, supplementing testosterone will lower it even further. http://www.webmd.com/men/featu... So one of the keys to healthy sperm production is to ensure the body is producing it's very own testosterone, not via creams or injections.

      Is the trend of lower testosterone levels responsible for the trend of lower sperm count? Correlation is not causation, but even if it were some other cause, that cause would be lowering testosterone levels at the same time.

      And my original posting which notes that males are being inundated with phytoestrogens in the west, is not crackpot-ism. Even the NIH is getting involved. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... It is worth noting that in opposition to the politico-economic interests demanding that phyto-estrogens be completely safe for males, they note :

      "Further investigation is needed before a firm conclusion can be drawn. In the meantime, caution would suggest that perinatal phyto-oestrogen exposure, such as that found in infants feeding on soy-based formula, should be avoided.

      And let us not forget all of the estrogen mimics like Bisphenol-A, Phthalates, Perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA), and beef growth hormones. These chemicals have been and many are still used

      So really, it doesn't matter if TFA doesn't mention Testosterone level. Testosterone levels are relevant to Sperm count, and Testosterone levels are also related to estrogen loads. Conjecture on that is a completely valid path of discussion. Sperm count is down, and males are exposed to a lot of chemicals that are proven to do just that. Making discussion that speaks to these facts being somehow off limits doesn't make a lot of sense.

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    12. Re: Yes. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I don't agree that there are convincing or rational arguments that marriage is a bad deal for men. Okay, there are some legal issues in some places,

      You can invalidate my arguments as irrational - which is why I don't find it compelling or useful to discuss anything with you - you have your mind made up and are not open to change.

      But in the end, it really doesn't matter what you think, or what I think. Male interest in marriage, children and relationships is eroding, and eroding quickly. I wonder though, is the way to get more men interested in marriage to yell at them about how immature and selfish they are? Shaming is starting to not work any more. It is becoming entrenched in the male psyche that there are unpleasant people who just like to yell at them, and that avoidance is the best tactic. That's the real problem. When all the problems are the man's fault, we can just add this to the long list.

      I think however that you and I should be able to find some common ground, that these immature and selfish men removing themselves from the relationship and reproduction pool should be seen as a positive by women, who will then be able to concentrate on all the worthy men who are left.

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    13. Re: Yes. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Also, nowadays, having kids are both men and women decision, not only men as in the past.

      Where on earth did you get the idea that only men made that decision in the past. My mother told me once of her deliberate action to get pregnant so my father would marry her. Obviously, he kinda knew what they were doing, but she planned in depth the timing. Something similar happened with my son and his high school girlfriend. Fortunately she didn't become pregnant.

      One of the most common arguments is about financial responsibilities after divorce.

      When 2 people are in love, they do NOT expect a divorce. If one or both of them are thinking about divorcing while dating (or in a relationship), then they are not "in love" and very likely end the relationship before marriage.

      I wonder. My wife and I planned many of these things out. We made certain she had her own credit rating, and all of the financial issues that can occur upon divorce or spousal death.

      If people are so head over heels in love that they can't have rational discussions, perhaps that is shown in the divorce rate. Finances, personalities, all manner of things need to be taken into account.

      For the record, we've been married 40 years.

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    14. Re: Yes. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You can invalidate my arguments as irrational

      I didn't imply your arguments are irrational. There are many other ways they can be wrong ;-)

      I wonder though, is the way to get more men interested in marriage to yell at them about how immature and selfish they are?

      Probably not... It would be better to give marriage a clearer definition, via education. If men, and women for that matter, understood it better and if they could see the value they get from it, they might be more inclined to go for it, and also to avoid it when it's not a good idea.

      I think a lot of people now see less formal relationships as equally good as marriage. In some ways they are, in others... Well, I tend to think of marriage as a standard contract covering stuff like inheritance, which is clearly useful to have.

      I wonder though, is the way to get more men interested in marriage to yell at them about how immature and selfish they are?

      Who are these people, and where are they?

      I guess it's true that when comparing a modern marriage to a traditional one, it's been the men that had to moderate their behaviour a lot more than the women. That's just an unavoidable consequence of historic norms. But that's a long way from what you describe.

      I think however that you and I should be able to find some common ground, that these immature and selfish men removing themselves from the relationship and reproduction pool should be seen as a positive by women, who will then be able to concentrate on all the worthy men who are left.

      Hmm, I'd rather find some way to communicate with those guys so that they can form happy relationships.

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    15. Re: Yes. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      To clarify, and I almost wrote this in the original post, I don't imagine all or even most women think that way. Just enough to cause the drop in interest we have seen reported by surveys. Some women are very happy to be full time parents, and it's a great choice if you are lucky enough to be able to make it. But enough don't want to give up a career or independence to affect the numbers.

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    16. Re: Yes. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      There is a profound difference between protesting the unfairness of marriage of what ever the sex or sexes in what ever combination or numbers and just being a slacker http://www.urbandictionary.com.... I give not one crap how bad the marriage partnership deal is for men, I am just a slacker and choose not to play a game that in all honesty does not really suit slackers, well, at least not this slacker.

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    17. Re: Yes. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Should it come as a shock that something that would cause girls to mature early would also impact males?

      I'm asking, I don't know.

      Yes is the short answerThe precocious puberty issue isn't conclusive, some of this could be related to the weight and age of the girl, and since people in general are getting heavier, this could have an effect on menarche. But something appears amiss. I looked at my high school yearbook from the 1970's, and especially the 18 year old young ladies looked like 13 year old girls today. Hypersexualization and too much makeup is one thing, but good grief, somthing is amiss. That's just an observation. Now for some scary stuff. The most common birth defect in males born today is Cryptorchidism and hypospadias. Essentially that the penis doesn't form correctly. The Urethra exits where it shouldn't. Specifically there is a gene problem, but the cause is very likely chemical.

      http://www.loe.org/shows/segme... is a script from a radio show with some interesting information.

      We are getting dosed with stuff, and no doubt.

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  8. Due to longer work hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My father and both grandfathers always got a full week off each year. I haven't had an entire week off since graduating from college in 1986. Also, they only worked a little over forty hours a week. Other than around Christmas, I don't think I've ever worked that little in any week of my adult life. It takes its toll.

    1. Re:Due to longer work hours? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't think I've ever worked that little in any week of my adult life. It takes its toll.

      Where are you incarcerated ?

      Because if you are not in prison, what you do with your life is up to you and no one else. The freedom you seem to imagine you do not have is gone because you GAVE IT AWAY. And for what ? A newer car ? A bigger house ? A larger TV ?

      You might still have time to smarten up and quit being a slave. Or you might just continue being a slave. But it's no one else's fault but yours.

    2. Re: Due to longer work hours? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Hello Dave,

      don't bother coming back after your vacation.

      Signed,
      your boss.

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  9. Missing a key statistic: conception rate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is hype news. Like Ehrlich and his Population Bomb but now it is the Population Unbomb. Nature massively overcompensated with millions of sperm and only ONE is needed for conception.
    Http://www.winfertility.com/sperm-count-pregnancy-rates

    1. Re:Missing a key statistic: conception rate by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      The theory is that with more women who are educated, birth rates go down. This doesn't hold true in much of Africa. After an initial decline from 6 to 4.5, birth rates aren't following historic trends elsewhere.

      And they've got a LOT of people. More than twice as many as all North America. More than all the Americas. Barely a bit less than China. They're going to surpass both China and India soon enough.

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    2. Re:Missing a key statistic: conception rate by OneoFamillion · · Score: 1

      I recently found a series of Yale lectures on population growth on Youtube, they are a bit repetitive at times but I still highly recommend them to anyone interested in such matters (and frankly, we all should be.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    3. Re:Missing a key statistic: conception rate by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      The theory is that with more women who are educated, birth rates go down. This doesn't hold true in much of Africa. After an initial decline from 6 to 4.5, birth rates aren't following historic trends elsewhere.

      You're forgetting that average eduction standards in much of Africa have not improved - particularly for females - for decades. Much of that drop in fertiity can be ascribed to a single educational fact : "with these vaccines, the chances of a particular child dieing in infancy has dropped from ~50% to ~25%". Once that fact was absorbed (observable in every village where it was relevant), birth rates decreased, as you say.

      The effect of slowly improving education is a much slower burn. It has been faster in China (full-blown socialism) and India (significant national free-to-use health services). Patchier in South America and ASEAN(-I) countries, because more varied countries, but generally working. Which is why Africa is suffering a severe population boom (with considerable inter-country variations).

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    4. Re:Missing a key statistic: conception rate by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      The theory is that with more women who are educated, birth rates go down. This doesn't hold true in much of Africa.

      It is a waste of time trying to educate a continent of 70 IQ people.

      Not true. While every generation's IQ tests are normalized to 100 being average, each generation is turning out to be able to obtain higher non-normalized scores than the previous generation. In other words, your forbearers would probably have scored well below today's average. BTW, racism is stupid - witness Trump.

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  10. Re:Males by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    sperm counts are are result of hair style? Interesting theory. Have you talked to your therapist about your fears around this?

    And by "Interesting" I mean in the same why that {#politician_name} is a {#random_insult} with {his|her|it's} {#random_body_part} {in|up} their {#random_body_part}.

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  11. Re:Won't matter to some of us by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Funny

    Heck, my wife gets pregnant if I look at her too long.

    I don't think so. You might want to get a paternity test done on "your" kids.

  12. Re:"Sperm counts among men..." by bobbied · · Score: 1

    I don't know if that's redundant or not... These are interesting days....

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  13. Re:Is this a bad thing? by skids · · Score: 1

    It is. But it just means we have to make up the quota with more orgasms.

  14. Re:"Sperm counts among men..." by SCVonSteroids · · Score: 1

    It's almost as if it's implying men are getting together to count sperm!

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  15. Re:My offer to help by starblazer · · Score: 1

    I also speak french. Oui!

  16. Re:So what? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    One sperm is enough, doesn't matter if it's 100 or 50 million.

    You flunked health class and sex ed, eh?

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  17. Well duh... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

    Bruce Lee died in 1973, Robert Shaw -1978, John Wayne - 1979, Steve McQueen -1980, Yul Brynner and Orson Wells - 1985, Lee Marvin - 1987, Tupac -1996, Charles Bronson and Jonny Cash in 2003. When Clint Eastwood and Chuck Norris go it's going to drop to zero.

    1. Re: Well duh... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Those men don't increase the sperm count for most of us ... not that we are judging you.

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    2. Re:Well duh... by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      Actually Chuck Norris died 10 years ago, but the Grim Reaper shits vertebrae at the mere thought of coming to get him.

  18. Re:Men are turning into girly bitches by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    "Millennials have this really disgusting complexion"

    Maybe, but you can't actually tell because of their tats.

  19. Ripper was right! by Rollgunner · · Score: 5, Funny

    The communist plot to dilute our precious bodily fluids has succeeded !

    1. Re:Ripper was right! by Black.Shuck · · Score: 1

      Joke's on them. We'll just produce twice as much!

  20. and for non-western men? by shoor · · Score: 1

    What's been happening with them?

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  21. Hot Balls! by nicoleb_x · · Score: 1

    Probably just the men in the western world getting their balls too hot. No big deal really. Search for "Genital heat stress and semen quality".

    1. Re:Hot Balls! by XMLResponse · · Score: 1

      My first thought too! Last year there was an ig nobel prize for reasearch that showed wearing synthetic pants heated mens balls enough to serve as a contraceptive. Sure the sample was small (N=14) but it's a cheap and reversible contraception method. Frankly i think they deserved the Nobel prize. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... That's deskjobs for you, that and endocrine disruptors.

  22. Re: So what? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1, Interesting

    He is correct, or haven't you noticed that nobody is claiming that the conception rate has plummeted?

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  23. Re:Hahahahaha & a question... apk by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Another e.g. - I see you say how "fat" he is etc. - do you KNOW that for a fact or are you projecting your own issues onto him?

    From the Slashdot page on my website.

    There are 10 kinds of people on Slashdot.

    Those who see my picture, go back to Slashdot and leave a comment, "You're a fat retard."

    And everyone else.

    https://www.cdreimer.com/slashdot.html

  24. Re:"Sperm counts among men..." by wooferhound · · Score: 1

    I demand a recount

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  25. Re: So what? by arth1 · · Score: 1

    I think contraceptives and family planning has something to do with it. These days, women get to decide when and with whom to have children. Producing an overwhelming number of sperm to outcompete other males' sperm seems to have little to no reward these days. Even if the lady has an affair, she's most likely going to be protected, so there's no gain from the male evolutionary perspective.
    So those with low sperm count are just as likely to become fathers, and their genes just as likely to be propagated. In only one generation, the effect should start being observable, and in two generations enough to not be individual variations. The timing seems near perfect.
    Now what we need is a sperm count compared to biological fathers. if there's a strong correlation, but still an overall decline, this is far more likely to be genetic than environmental, although a combination is not out of the question.

  26. Re: So what? by sexconker · · Score: 1

    One sperm is not enough, unless you're making a test tube baby.
    In the normal method, you need plenty of sperm to reach the egg and smash down the gates before a single sperm can get inside.

  27. Re:You must've burnt 'em & hurt their 'pride' by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Who'd you outright sizzle w/ facts so badly?

    The prick who posted dick pics with my info on Russian image websites. I'm turning that into a YouTube video project.

    https://github.com/cdreimer/how_to_takedown_dick_pics_from_russian_image_websites

  28. It's Because Women are a Pain in the Ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That is the only logical explanation for this. Women are fucking impossible to deal with anymore. They cannot be satisfied no matter how much money you make, how much you work out, how much stuff you have, or how popular you are. You're never good enough.

    It gets to the point that you don't even want to reproduce with them anymore, and so your body's like "whatever, Ima shut down this sperm factory down here and use my energy to get better at minecraft instead."

    Not long ago a friend of mine and I were having a beer and he asked me, "you know, my wife thinks you don't like her; you never talk to her and blow her off when she tries to talk to you." And my response was, "she's right." I actually loathe the idea of interacting with females in any capacity. It's actually pretty fucking great, because it's so much less stress in my life. I'm not constantly having to walk on eggshells and jump through hoops.

    1. Re:It's Because Women are a Pain in the Ass by Evtim · · Score: 2

      Don't fret! The women asking the impossible is the very thing that drives the sexual selection. If they don't whip us all the time men will stagnate......as a man I don't like it but there it is....it's a feature, but indeed it can be a bug as well if taken to extremes.

      Few years ago there was this fantastic documentary on the BBC about a guy with small dick. At a certain moment he invited 3 ladies to the studio. At first the ladies were sooooo dismissive and derisive about "dick fear" and were like "no size is not that important; it is other men that made you fell inadequate because men make porn and porn is unrealistic". So he asked them to model from clay the perfect dick for them. Guess what - all 3 models were significantly above average both in length and girt. Talking about who instills inferiority complexes in men , eh :)

      The thing is, women will never admit the fact that they are the dominant gender, always have been and always will be. Their strategy is to present themselves as prey and the men as predators. Only, once the predator catches the prey, the prey "surrenders" and becomes the master. Men rule the world; women rule the men. We are tools for their survival and procreation. Women have had twice as high reproduction success compare to men in history. Women live longer, are healthier and are overly protected by society. And that is how it should be.....the problem is when some of them refuse to recognize that and instead want the impossible - that society treats them as men in terms of rewards but as women in terms of risk-taking. Can't work ever.

      Regarding the news itself - well all the plausible culprits were listed by various /. -rs - plastics, obesity, food, tight clothing, over-population, social constructs (remember the millennials are having less sex as well), stress....

    2. Re:It's Because Women are a Pain in the Ass by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Few years ago there was this fantastic documentary on the BBC about a guy with small dick. At a certain moment he invited 3 ladies to the studio. At first the ladies were sooooo dismissive and derisive about "dick fear" and were like "no size is not that important; it is other men that made you fell inadequate because men make porn and porn is unrealistic". So he asked them to model from clay the perfect dick for them. Guess what - all 3 models were significantly above average both in length and girt. Talking about who instills inferiority complexes in men , eh :)

      Those ladies probably don't care about size, at least consciously. The problem is that most people don't see a lot of genitals in real life, the majority are in porn. And they don't hire porn stars for their acting skills, and of course shaving pubic hair makes it look bigger too. So subconsciously they have an unrealistic image of what a normal size penis is like, and are influenced by what porn portrays as "ideal". They probably have similar ideas about the shape of the female body, due to airbrushed magazines full of skinny models.

      It's really important that we try to combat this with more realistic models and by talking about what most bodies are really like. And studies like this don't really tell us anything about how those women would react if they met the guy and ended up in bed with him... I imagine that dick size is probably not a big factor compared to how the guy treats them, how he touches them, the things he says... It's not like lesbians have unfulfilling sex.

      The thing is, women will never admit the fact that they are the dominant gender, always have been and always will be.

      For much of history women have been little more than property at best, so I don't think that's true. Even just 150 years ago, if a gentleman's wife died he could expect to marry her younger sister if someone else hadn't already claimed her.

      We are tools for their survival and procreation.

      You could make the same argument about women. The reality is that both genders need each other in order to procreate, but relationships are about more than just finding a sperm sample or womb.

      Women live longer, are healthier and are overly protected by society. And that is how it should be

      Disagree, men should have equality here. For practical reasons it may never be exactly equal, but there is a lot we could do to help men live longer.

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  29. Perfectly coincides with the rise of feminism... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Drop in men's sperm counts match up perfectly with the rise in feminism. Wonder if rather than due to some type of physical or environmental effect, it could be psychology affect men's sperm counts...

  30. Re: Is this a bad thing? by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Is this a bad thing? Can't see how

    Possibly because it makes you go blind too? :P

  31. Re:Plastics? by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

    This is a likely hypothesis - ubiquitous exposure to trace level synthetic chemicals. Many synthetic chemicals have shown estrogenic effects (including a number of plastic ingredients), and cumulative exposure to tiny quantities may be driving this. It is difficult to test though - the exposure is everywhere, and effects may be delayed many years. Is it prenatal exposure, childhood exposure, adult exposure, all of the above?

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  32. Re: So what? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    It does depend on how much STR and DEF the egg has.

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  33. Re: So what? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    He is correct, or haven't you noticed that nobody is claiming that the conception rate has plummeted?

    The number of sperm released in ejaculate is directly related to fertility. There is a process called the acrosome reaction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    While only one sperm performs the actual fertilization, it requires a lot more of them to prepare the egg.

    Not happening without those other sperm.

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  34. Re:Plastics? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Don't forget plastic in our food.

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  35. Re: So what? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    No it doesn't.

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  36. Re:Hahahahaha & a question... apk by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    You're a fat retard and everyone else.

    Did I do that correctly?

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  37. Re: So what? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    Again, no change in birth rate proves you are wrong.

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    Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  38. Re: So what? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    You missed the important part, no doubt on purpose: it doesn't matter if it is 50 or 100 million.

    SRSLY? Just out of curiosity, are you a pediatrician or OB/GYN and if so - or even if not so, give me the cites to illustrate that which you are so certain of. The idea that a male producing half of the sperm of another especially 50 million per ejaculate is as fertile goes against everything I have been taught and experienced. Your expertise in this matter is requested.

    Thank you in advance for providing this information. Here is something that I know, and am awaiting for your debunking of the Mayo Clinic http://www.mayoclinic.org/dise...

    39 million sperm per ejaculate is considered as a low sperm count. the present day average of 50 million is getting close, and will perhaps reach that level in the future. Then again, I believe that you actually think that if a male produces even one sperm, the woman will beome pregnant. I'll respectfully ask for the debunking of the acrosome reaction in whic many sperm attach them selves to the zona pellucida and create enzymes that allow the one sperm that does the actual insemination to pierce the egg and finish the fertilization process.

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  39. Re: happened to me, unfortunately by geek · · Score: 1

    More likely it was the neighbor

  40. Re: My offer to help by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Pretty fsking creepy of them.

  41. Re: So what? by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

    Don't think anyone measures conceptions per creampie. Quality of spawn also seems to be ignored

  42. Estrogen mimic plasticizers all over the environme by HiThere · · Score: 2

    Estrogen mimic plasticizers are all over the environment. They're in your clothes, your bottled water, your food, the chairs you sit in, ETC.

    They would be my first guess as to the reason for many abnormalities, and certainly for something involving sperm counts.

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  43. Re: So what? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    Not a guy who understands statistics I see.

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  44. Re: So what? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    Again, no change in birth rate proves you are wrong.

    One of the things I learned a long time ago was that arguing with people like you is pointless. I gave citations, and you just sit there and take an unrelated point and bandy it about

    If you actually have the balls, take my citations and prove me and places like the Mayo clinic wrong.

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  45. Re:Won't matter to some of us by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    Some women are just really fertile! The the vaginal chemistry would be that of keeping the sperm alive long enough to wait out an egg to be available. Of course, having healthy sperm to live long enough, and travel, is just as important too.

    Don't rely on just a condom. Sometime leaking can occur at the base of the "johnson" if you keep at it for sport. Just a drop or a thin film of the seminal fluid is all it takes to get her pregnant under the right conditions.

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  46. Re:Is this a bad thing? by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

    The Handmaid's Tale.

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  47. Re: So what? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

    Nice weasel attempt, but all you have to do to prove your claim is correct is cite the plummet in conception rates.

    Can you show me where I claimed the conception rates have plummeted?

    But let's talk about conception rates since you fixate on it. We'll ignore that it isn't used too often in humans, it seems to be of maximum interest in bovines.

    In humans the term pregnancy rate is used. It is also used a lot for IVF, which has a much lesser success rate than normal sex, so it's a bad term overall, and not a very good measure of sperm count and it's relationship to pregnancy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Regardless to try to relate to your conception rate, any number we might come up with is difficult, especially in light of say, the USA's fertility rate hivering at just around replacement rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    So are couples using birth control? Is age a factor? This is unclear, and there are political issues as well. Some articles about this, but not conclusive and hard to dig numbers out of, and I'm certain that they are hedging their bet. There is no doubt that most research on male infertility is mostly about women, as strange as that seems.

    But without your trying to wiggle out of this, if you have an issue with the Mayo clinic's definition of male infertility, and with the US fertility rate, and with the sperm count heading toward that definition, then argue with them.

    I've given an internet troll neough of my time.

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  48. I blame synthetic by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    underwear!

  49. Estrogen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Many plastics interact with the human body in the same way as estrogen. RBGH also interacts with the human body in the same way as estrogen. Not only does this result in lower sperm counts, but if it makes it way into the fetuses of pregnant women, it can cause gender dystopia (aka gender identity disorder). I would not be surprised if we discovered that the number of gay males and trans humans has been on the rise, even after accounting for greater rates of gays coming out.

    1. Re:Estrogen by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      hilarious the posts blaming plastics for a minute amount of estrogen equivalent when we have tons of actual estrogen being dumped into the water supply via women's birth control pills

    2. Re:Estrogen by omnichad · · Score: 1

      xenoestrogens in plastics - like BPA that comes in contact with food and even lines most metal food cans. It's much closer in concentration than you'd find in birth control pills diluted by a lake after sewage treatment, but both are a factor. PCBs like you'd find in office fluorescent tubes (once they get really old) become airborne and get breathed in. They're everywhere.

      Soybeans produce phytoestrogens and soy byproducts are used in almost everything as far as industrial food goes.

  50. GOP killed Testin and QC decades ago to save money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    America is a mentally ill country that is afflicted with Wall (Street) Syndrome.
    Insane investors will sacrifice children to meet Wall street expectations.

    Over the last few months several Science reports were released, each dealing with the subject of drugs, water, and gender.
    Many people take prescribed medication with no thought of what they do to the body, how they are used, or what actually becomes of them.
    As example, when we ingest vitamins, our bodies take what it needs and the excess is passed out of the body via urine an excrement. Therefore, these excess vitamins end up in our water supply.
    The same is true for medications dealing with high blood pressure, diabetes, Anti-depressants or Anti-Psychotics.
    Approximately 70-80% of these medications are passed through and end up accumulating in the water system.
    For the last 10-12 years, Anti-depressants have been over prescribed and the number 1 medication prescribed by doctors in the US.
    I read a science report a few months ago of large amounts of Anti-depressants being measurable in our drinking water.
    These were also detected in the ocean, which means the levels must be pretty high if they can be measured in an ocean.
    Scientists also noticed a change in the ocean wild life. There were a variety of fish whose gender was being drastically altered by these drugs, with some male fish even developing female organs.
    I wouldn't be at all surprised if this has also contributed largely to the sudden emphasis of trans-gender alteration we are seeing in humans for the last 10 years.

    Surely, the EPA and FDA must have noticed this change in our water supply. The question is, why haven't they responded by protecting the citizens?

  51. Re:"Sperm counts among men..." by TranquilVoid · · Score: 1

    In a follow-up study, sperm counts amongst women remain precisely steady.

  52. Choose by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    It's because we don't play enough football.

    Do you want a powerful brain or powerful balls?

  53. To paraphrase Chernobyl era Soviet Joke by iamacat · · Score: 1

    If you want to be a dad, better wrap your balls in lead.

  54. Plastics in the food chain by erexx23 · · Score: 1

    Plastics in the food chain. bisphenol A and phthalates are chemicals that leach from plastics and disrupt the endocrine system. No matter what you chose believe, good luck avoiding them.

    1. Re:Plastics in the food chain by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      very minor effect compared to the feminine hormone analogs emitted by body fat. The major culprit is obesity.

  55. Re:You must've burnt 'em & hurt their 'pride' by ls671 · · Score: 1

    I appreciate the amount of work done in this project so far and how regularly commits are made so we can watch the progress. Seriously, it looks like an empty shell that is just another place to post links to advertise your "sideline businesses" so, your big wheel of links can go round and round.

    Cheers,

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  56. Re:The solution by amalcolm · · Score: 1

    I think you are hanging out in the wrong bars

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  57. Re: So what? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    Dear dumbfuck. You are the one who said that a drop from 100 to 50 Million would have a significant effect on birth rates. It is up to you to show that and you didn't since you can't since it is untrue. What you have learned is "don't pick an intellectual battle with someone far smarter than you are, or you will lose, as quoting a Wikipedia article won't count as proof of your easily refuted claim" and you know it. Off you go again little boy ...

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    Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  58. Re:Sitting: it's bad for your nuts, too... by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

    We could solve this by switching from trousers to skirts. The Scots proved it to be a viable male garment.

  59. We do less male stuff. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    We do less male stuff, plain and simple. Testosterone is down from sitting on the couch, getting fat, drinking to much beer, stimulating with videogames rather than real stuggles and not work harder physical labour as we used to. Porn feeds an epidemic of erectile dysfunction that has to play out into sperm quality and count at some point. And on top of that the guilt-show western males have to go through hamper true male heterosexuality - a very important aspect consistently left out of this shitty ongoing gender debate that seems to totally ignore hetero males other than in shaming them.

    Anecdotal point in case: I startet social dancing (Tango) about a decade back. Curiously, this old-school supposedly macho dance is consistently overbooked with often very well educated women who apparently really desire a strong man to hug and lead them at regular intervals. I just came back from a Tango trip to Moscow two days ago, which drove this impression home tenfold for me once again.
    Anyhow, after starting Tango I started to finally get the encounters with women I had so desperately desired since my teenages, often just consisting of firmly hugging a beautiful lady for an extended period of time, and soon noticed my body hair getting significantly darker and my voice lowering. Clear sings of testosterone going up to normal levels. That, as you can imagine, actually did amp my attractieness to the ladies quite a bit.

    Now being in my mid/late 40ies I'm also slowly getting a grip on the "male guilt" thing that comes with growing up in an often wrongly feminist society. I'm leaving nerdy escapism more and more behind (Slashdot being still one of the exceptions) and have by now had enough sexual experiences to finally feel OK as a white hetero man. Not perfect, but OK. The guilt thing withdrawing includes a healthy perspective on porn and masturbating (i.e. not that spectacular as the real thing and often not worth it) which actually go back to 'normal' levels once confidence sets in and there is emotional room for escapism and numbing to retreat.

    Long story short: We basically lack most of the natural environment that makes men men and have to work it out in other ways. Ad in fathers either chickening out of their responsiblities or - as in the US - too much in a legal risk to get married these days and you completed the picture. That sperm count goes down in these times comes as no real surprise to me.

    My 2 eurocents.

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    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re:We do less male stuff. by citylivin · · Score: 1

      Your post is the definition of coming to a conclusion using an anecdote.

      " I startet social dancing (Tango) about a decade back" "Now being in my mid/late 40ies" "soon noticed my body hair getting significantly darker and my voice lowering. Clear sings of testosterone going up to normal levels."

      So around the age of 35 you got more hair and voice got deeper. However i am pretty sure this happens to everyone. I was completely bodily hairless in my 20s but the 30s were a different story.

      This is a result of normal aging, not some kind of "close proximity to attractive women" fantasy. Dancing made you more fit, and gave you confidence which makes one more attractive, etc. This is why we dont use anecdotes to prove things scientifically, you havent controlled for anything.

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  60. Re: My offer to help by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Ok. In which case, not creepy at all.

    Wait wth?!

  61. Re:and for non-western men? Big problems in Japan! by OneoFamillion · · Score: 1

    I get what you're saying, but it honestly isn't very unusual for women to melt out of their pants if a foreigner compliments them in their own language, no matter where you are. Women are always somewhat interested in bringing exotic genes into the local gene pool, it's a basic evolutionary tactic to avoid inbreeding.

  62. Worry Not, Humanity, For I Shall Save You! by hyades1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    If the trend continues, there will be a day when Western Man is no longer able to produce sperm at all.

    But fear not, humanity! Thanks to frozen sperm, bulls that died years ago are still fathering calves. With my high IQ and 6' 2" manly-man size, I am willing to contribute now to save First World Man from extinction.

    Charlize Theron...honey...I'm afraid you'll just have to lean into the strike zone take one for the team. The future of the world will be in your hands. Literally.

    Inbox me, honey. Let's get this done!

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    1. Re:Worry Not, Humanity, For I Shall Save You! by ozzyofpi · · Score: 1

      Charlize Theron...honey...I'm afraid you'll just have to lean into the strike zone take one for the team. The future of the world will be in your hands. Literally.

      I love this guy.

  63. false hopes by shentino · · Score: 1

    I thought it said "spam" counts.

  64. Re: happened to me, unfortunately by Neuroelectronic · · Score: 1

    No, the doctor giving him his counts.

  65. Re: So what? by arth1 · · Score: 1

    In only one generation, the effect should start being observable, and in two generations enough to not be individual variations.

    Found someone who doesn't understand at all how evolution works.

    That would be you, then?

    If a pressure disappears, those with genes that code for an individual's resistance to that pressure no longer reap an evolutionary benefit. Those who lack what was a genetic advantage will be just as likely to pass on their genes without that advantage. And if the gene resisting the removed pressure has a cost, even a small one, it will be selected against. Cave fish lose their eyes, because the cost of having eyes is non-zero.

    For the first generation after the pressure goes away, you can tell that there is a change. More individuals with the genes have offspring. But at that point, the mutation (or lack of a mutation) is just passed on; you can only measure the impact on individuals themselves. The next generation, you can measure the impact on the population, i.e. the genes spreading, and not just being passed on.

    The belief that evolution only works over long time scales is invalid and a sure sign that someone doesn't understand evolution. The effects are immediate, and cumulative. When the effects of a mutation are small, spreading takes longer, just like a low interest rate takes longer to generate wealth. When the effects of a mutation are larger, it takes a surprisingly short time. Studies on finches, cichlids and fruit flies show rather radical changes happening within very few generations when pressures change. Remove a predator, and the genes that increase the odds of surviving that predator no longer gives an advantage. When a predator is removed, fish that cannot react and swim faster than the predator (or their brethren) now survive to breeding age, which has an immediate and measurable impact. Next generation, you can see the genes for being slower starting to spread as the advantage of lower metabolic burn rate starts paying out on the interest rate. It only takes one generation to see the effect, and only two to observe the spread. It may still take a long time before a genetic change becomes ubiquitous, but it's very quickly measurable if you know what to look for.

  66. Re:Sitting: it's bad for your nuts, too... by DickBreath · · Score: 1

    I have a theory about why guys would be averse to skirts. It's the same reason guys want women to wear them. It makes groping and feeling up easier. Just sayin' That theory is enough to override any other advantages there may be to wearing one tube of cloth instead of two tubes of cloth.

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  67. Re:Males by omnichad · · Score: 1

    are much more effeminate than just a generation ago.

    You actually may actually be on to something. Part of that can be obesity (estrogen is generated by fat cells). But xenoestrogens from plastics (esp. BPA) and phytoestrogens from soy are entering the diet and the water supply in increasing quantities.

  68. Re: So what? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    > arguing with people like you is pointless.

    You have not, apparently, learned that.

    Then again, if I can irritate the guy, that's a plus.

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  69. Re:You must've burnt 'em & hurt their 'pride' by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Seriously, it looks like an empty shell that is just another place to post links to advertise your "sideline businesses" so, your big wheel of links can go round and round.

    I find your lack of faith disturbing. :P

  70. Re:Estrogen mimic plasticizers all over the enviro by electroniceric · · Score: 1

    Amen. Once you start thinking about where plastic is found, and the precious few places where it isn't found, plus as you say known estrogen mimic properties (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3222987/), it's pretty hard not to see that as a the culprit.

  71. Please define by kenh · · Score: 1

    Define 'men'.

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  72. Re: The solution by kenh · · Score: 1

    Exactly. Increased arousal does not increase sperm count.

    I wonder if this study took into account the new, evolved definition of 'male' to include people lacking the body parts needed to actually produce sperm?

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  73. Re:"Sperm counts among men..." by Bodhammer · · Score: 1

    Or sheep. (Just sayin'). "Noooooooootttttttttttt Baaaaaaaaaaaad!"

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  74. Here's several reasons by whitroth · · Score: 1

    1. Someone mentioned obesity, which does lower fertility.
    2. Oh, and need moar guns, gotta protect ourselves against, um, against people who don't live here, who... make sure that we're TERRIFIED, SCARED SHITLESS ALL THE TIME, and that cuts fertility.

    3. Finally, it sure looks to me like the studies they did in the sixties and seventies with rats on overpopulation. Once it hits that, you get fewer kids, more craziness, cannibalism... hell, you might have a psychotic elected President!

  75. Re: Males by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    ...sigh...

    I sense great fear in you, Skywalker. You have hate. You have anger. But you don't use them.

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  76. The USA's food supply is adulterated. by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    It is THE most adulterated food supply int he world.



    You can't even know what's IN the products you buy because of the shit labeling laws favoring corporations.



    You should be upset. You should be outraged. You should be demanding a stop to this absurd corruption. But you're like all Americans, you remain silent. You deserve to die off.

  77. Re: So what? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    Why would it irritate me to watch you make a fool of yourself?

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    Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
  78. Children of Men by fastasleep · · Score: 1

    ^ this BPAs and similar other toxins in the environment will be our slow undoing. It'll be just slow enough that we'll let it happen before doing anything to prevent it, just like climate change.

  79. Re:Sitting: it's bad for your nuts, too... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    Scots only started wearing kilts (as ceremonial garb) in around 1820 (Georgy-Porgy's visit to Edinburgh), and few wear them as day-to-day garb today. Before then, they'd often wind the pleid mhor around the legs to form a loose pair of "trews", or as would be described elsewhere, loincloths. By the way, "Braveheart" was stirring uplifting bullshit.

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  80. Re:happened to me, unfortunately by RockDoctor · · Score: 2

    after I had 2 vasectomies. The first failed..

    Protocol here is to (1) cauterise both ends of the severed vasa, and (2) perform a sperm count 3 months after operation, before authorising the cessation of the contraception already in use.

    the second "succeeded" only to fail 3 years later.

    That strongly suggests that your practitioner wasn't using any sort of cauterisation, which does have a significant failure rate. If you informed the second practitioner of the failed first vasectomy (they'd have seen the scars anyway), then not performing the cauterisation step is pretty well down the road to malpractice. Normally, I'm not one for promoting "sue the doctor" at any event, but in this case it does strike me as being a pretty basic failure.

    In the UK, using the [cut, remove cm-length, cauterise] protocol, spontaneous reconnection rates are under 1%, which would suggest you're a 1-in-10,000 event. If your practitioners are using a proven protocol, and doing it properly.

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    Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
  81. Re: happened to me, unfortunately by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    Doctors report counts performed at external labs. If they're not, then they are the external lab for hundreds of other practitioners, and have several dozen staff doing sperm counts. (There were 5 sperm counting centres in the UK when I had my vasectomy, so I'd estimate 30 or so in the US. Maybe one per county/ State.) Personally, I just wanked into the pot (~3 months after snipping, per instructions), sealed it, put it into the packaging, dropped it into the post, and got the computer-generated letter a couple of weeks later. Probably not touched by human hands in the process. When I went for a re-test (to confirm my sterility before getting married), I had been in correspondence with the testing organisation beforehand, and got a human dictated and signed certificate of sterility.

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  82. Re: So what? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
    By and smash down the gates, I think sexconker means "release enough hormones in and around the egg to cause the egg to thin and weaken the extra-cellular mucous coating which prevents most of the sperm reaching the cell membrane. This mechanism has to be fairly fast acting, as once the proverbial "single wriggler" gets to penetrate the mucous AND the cell wall, then the cell needs to thicken the cell wall and mucous barrier very fast (seconds), or it ends up with two sperm in the egg, and a literal recipe for wasted resources.

    Those millions of non-penetrating sperm do have an effect, by eroding the mucous layer.

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  83. Re:Sitting: it's bad for your nuts, too... by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

    True, although the male skirt, as part of a tunic or other masculine garb, is an ancient garment. The Scots were hardly the first to come across the innovation, and won't be the last to make it popular. It was the horse that made trousers a necessity for men.

  84. Re:Anyone care to share an SA? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    morphology (avg) = 2% normal forms

    progressive Motility (avg) = 30%

    What are the normal and SD for those parameters? (The subject is obviously of concern to you but not me. Childfree by choice.)

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  85. Re:Longitudinal Study by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    It's not new results. It's a metaanalysis of a large number of previous studies. Dumbass - go read the fucking article.

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  86. Re:Estrogen mimic plasticizers all over the enviro by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    Well, at least you have an understanding of the difference between a plastic and a plasticiser.

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  87. Re:Is this a bad thing? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    I don't see any big problems either. It'll take time (generations, literally not figuratively) to work through the demographic pyramid, but reducing fertility is an obvious requirement on a planet of finite resources and with an individual desire to not die young.

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  88. Re:Sitting: it's bad for your nuts, too... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    It was the horse that made trousers a necessity for men.

    Probably true. If it weren't for the horse, "trousers" as an idea probably wouldn't exist outside the Nenets, Yamal and Inuit.

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  89. Re: So what? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

    Don't quit your day job as a janitor to go to get into psychology :^)

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  90. Re:Really a problem? by kattisch · · Score: 1

    Overpopulation is a myth. Malthus, in Essay on the Principle of Population thought the world was overpopulated in the late 1798 and thought we should kill off poor people because they were less deserving of life than rich people. He thought doctors shouldn't cure disease. Paul Ehrlich in the 1970s said that famines would devastate humanity by the 1980s. Did you know that everyone on earth could get a comfortable 33' x 33' plot of land and would only take up the size of the state of Texas and the rest of the world would be empty? Here's the math 7.5 billion people divided by 7.5 billion sq. ft (in Texas) is about 1000 sq. ft/person or a plot about 33' x 33'.

  91. Halved? by michael_wojcik · · Score: 1

    Ridiculous. My sperm count decreased by 100% in the past 40 years. In fact, it decreased by 100% over a few days in 2001, and it's stayed at zero since.

    Since this is Slashdot, I'm assuming my anecdotal experience counts as compelling evidence for the general case.