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Silicon Valley Says Trump Plan To Reduce Immigration Will Hurt Economy (cbslocal.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from CBS Local: President Donald Trump's push to cut legal immigration to the United States in half is being met by opposition from Silicon Valley leaders, economists, and even some Republicans senators, who all say legal immigration is key to economic prosperity. The Trump administration Wednesday endorsed the Reforming American Immigration for a Strong Economy Act or RAISE Act, a Senate bill introduced by two Republican senators earlier this year, that aims to cut all U.S. immigration in half. Business leaders, especially those in California's tech industry, say the bill will stymie their ability to fill jobs and grow the U.S. economy. California's economy is the sixth largest in the world and many attribute that success, in part, to immigration. The Information Technology Industry Council, which represents companies including Amazon, Apple, Adobe, Dell, Facebook, Hewlett-Packard, Google, Visa, Nokia, and Microsoft railed against the bill.
Dean Garfield, President and CEO of the council said, "This is not the right proposal to fix our immigration system because it does not address the challenges tech companies face, injects more bureaucratic dysfunction, and removes employers as the best judge of the employee merits they need to succeed and grow the U.S. economy." Garfield argues that the tech industry cannot find enough STEM-skilled Americans to fill open positions and that U.S. immigration policy "stops us from keeping the best and brightest innovators here in the U.S. and instead we lose out to our overseas competitors."
Dean Garfield, President and CEO of the council said, "This is not the right proposal to fix our immigration system because it does not address the challenges tech companies face, injects more bureaucratic dysfunction, and removes employers as the best judge of the employee merits they need to succeed and grow the U.S. economy." Garfield argues that the tech industry cannot find enough STEM-skilled Americans to fill open positions and that U.S. immigration policy "stops us from keeping the best and brightest innovators here in the U.S. and instead we lose out to our overseas competitors."
Hurts it MORE.
If they can't adapt to an American workforce they can shut down. Loads of other startups would love to take their place.
If we couldn't outsource their jobs (and actually get them done, which is a problem with outsourcing) and we couldn't import cheap labor from overseas, we'd have to pay programmers over $200K/year. And that would be terrible, because
Oh. Never mind.
Bruce Perens.
Of course SV will be against, they have a huge conflict of interest in the matter. They keep importing under-paid code monkey who accept to work 70h a week in constant stressful environment with no job security, while firing and discriminating against older, more pragmatic, american staffers.
Whatever this guy takes in his hands fails or even worse - endangers others. 100 % system failure and no "checks and balances" for this situation built-in.
Bummer!
A San Francisco station is reporting Trump policy is making some people upset? I'm -shocked-.
Low skill immigrants with high skill ones. That seems like something they'd want.
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Plenty of opportunities here. And no Trump.
We do have crazies too, mind you, so maybe avoid post-Brexit UK. Ireland is next door, and there are many beautiful places on the continent.
because not all immigrants are alike.
People bringing with them cold hard cash, and spending them in USA = boon for the economy
People bringing nothing, and actually sending whatever money they make back to their original country to feed their relatives back home = drain on the economy
People with skills who produce wealth = boon for the economy
People with no marketable skill who collect entitlements = drain on the economy
Oh wow, ,it means that companies will have to pay for the talent and skillsets.
Novel concept, treat everyone equal.. Hmmm..
Ya like that will fly out there..
Pffft.,.....
It hurts their ability to grow the economy? Oh, boo hoo, they have to pay more for American workers.
If a handful of American salaries turns your project from a profit to a loss, you are running on razor-thin margins to begin with. Maybe your company should be doing something else instead.
On the other hand, if you're making a decent profit and just want more---get fucked. Public policy doesn't need to hand out special benefits to successful businesses. Right now, the middle class needs a little more help than the shareholders.
Real immigration means coming over here, making a life, and investing long-term in the well-being of this country. The H1B program isn't immigration; it's indentured servitude V2.0
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but I'm pretty sure neither Trump nor any American citizen* has any issues with LEGAL Immigration. Go through the steps, do it right and we'll welcome you right in.
It's the illegal variety that we have issues with. Those people should be deported. Just like what would happen if I entered any other country illegally.
*Unless you're a member of the Klan or similar group.
Trump-hating liberals oppose something that Trump supports. I may die of shock.
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Economy.
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Has't this sort of thing been heard before?
Modern American politician : "The economy cannot survive without immigrants"
Ancient Greek politician : "Civilisation cannot survive without slavery"
Like, let's say Jeff Immelt of GE (who has resigned). You have two choices:
1. Expensive, fairly well qualified software engineering talent in the US
2. Dirt cheap, mixed bag talent overseas
Which do you pick? If the choice was either/or, most would choose #1, but as price competition heats up and Wall Street (and your board) beat you up for increasing and meeting your company's earnings target, practically all CEOs would opt for a mix of #1 and #2, with a shift towards #2 over time (IBM is a great example).
But with H-1Bs there's a third option. Offices in the US, staffed mostly by expensive, native US talent, but supplemented by cheaper (but not dirt cheap) talent from overseas, most of which are at least somewhat qualified. That's a choice that can allow companies to keep IT offices open in the US, since the operating costs are lower than they would've been otherwise. So it's not necessarily the case that H-1B reduces native-born US IT employment.
No sympathy here.
There are definitely times that there are some specialized skilled people that are amazing and can be used to advance the company further.
But that's like 1%. I mean do they literally stick their fingers in their ears and go lalalalala when someone points out like Disney hiring cheap outsourcing and forcing hired paid employees to train their replacements?
That's at all it is, they just want the bare minimum who can do the job they can get way cheaper since it's still better living standards than in their own country.
Bringing ours down, theirs up, and the middle man taking a chunk of the exchange increasing their life quality is the 1% elite.
Everytime they lay off IT workers and hire outsourced IT, in other countries, then talk about how it would be bad to stop allowing them to hire foreign workers, *ears in finger* lalalalalalala.
Do not care. You fucked up. Taking all the wealth, redistributing it to the top 1%, and countries outside the US.
Sillly Valley's idea of immigration is cheap labor - labor arbitrage.
Economics is about immigration and having people work their way into society and our economy - regardless of skills.
And since our economy is based on consumption and subsequently an increasing populating, we better let'em in.
And since our social safety nets are based upon an increasing size of the workforce; we let'em in.
Otherwise, the days of collecting Social Security while driving your $500K Land Yacht to your second home in Florida is gone - well, it's gone for everyone born after 1965.
I was on a job site today to do some layout, and the foreman told us that he's dealing with worker's green cards getting pulled, people that have been working for the company for 20 years, and put their kids through college using those green cards.
Shit's fucked up. When will people have had enough?
The proposed policy awards green cards on a point-based policy. This would actually increase the number of green cards going to skilled tech workers, so I'm not seeing how this hurts them. I suppose they might have to pay their janitors a little more. Or more accurately, they won't be able to depress the janitor's wage even further than they already have.
I am sick and fucking tired of hearing elite billionaire in SanFrancisco tell us that H1B abuse isn't an issue. I've experienced first hand what it can do and I've talked to friends who came in on h1b and gotten the lowdown from the inside of these Indian sweatshops and it's absolutely terrible.
This sort of H1B abuse that trump directly mentioned is why many would be Clinton voters went for trump.
Maybe people should start thinking more than three months ahead?
The skill requirement makes it practically a carbon copy of Australia and Canada: your ability to enter is a function of your knowledge of the local language (English, or in Canada's case English or French), skills, education level, and ability to get a job. They want people who are useful to the country and can fit in.
The difference is the path to legal citizenship in those commonwealth countries is once you've lived/worked there for 5 years or so, citizenship opportunity. No country of origin quotas or green card queues which encourage queue-jumping, visa overstays and under-the-table work. This second part should be copied as well.
Silicon Valley Says Trump Plan To Reduce Immigration Will Hurt Tech Company Profits.
There. Fixed.
Except when they say "it will hurt the economy" they mean that if they don't get their way they will start sabotaging the economy.
See: economic crises since the end of WW2 (and before then that I couldn't provide citations for)
I'm a Canadian in the US who's had a TN, then an H-1B, and now I have a green card. I have a Ph.D. in a highly sought-after technical field and I'm holding down a pretty good job here in the States, doing something specialized related to my academic work. There aren't enough Americans with my specialty nor enough Canadian jobs requiring it for it to make sense for me to "go back home" - it's not in anyone's interest.
Even with the strong tailwinds of Canadian-ness and a useful high education, it's not exactly straightforward to get your green card. There are background and medical checks, as well as pretty long waiting periods due to H-1B quotas and other administrative delays. It's much harder for friends of mine from India with *only* a Master's degree, who have to wait for something like 15 YEARS before they're able to get a green card. The uncertainty this breeds can be a real hardship, and I think it's unnecessarily cruel to ask good people who contribute more than they're paid to have to endure anything more than a few years of probation.
Moreover, getting my wife's parents enrolled in local healthcare looks like a complete non-starter, and while we'd like my daughter's grandparents to be able to visit with us for more of the year, they can't because of silly immigration and healthcare rules. Who knows how much more of this we're going to choose as a family?
I'm always disheartened how fellow Slashdotters often plump for more regulations impeding the freedom of people to live where they are wanted and loved. I understand there might be some folks who think that immigrants hurt American workers, but that's a tough stance to take when unemployment is so low. I also think most immigrants are not going to parts of America where jobs are scarce.
So, have a heart or a brain, and sympathize with the pro-immigration bunch on either humanitarian or economic grounds. I know it's in the American DNA to embrace the hard-working foreigner wanting something better, and now's a great time to grow the economy by admitting those willing to work for the wages offered here.
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The economy will be just fine.
This is not the right proposal to fix our immigration system because it does not address the challenges tech companies face, injects more bureaucratic dysfunction, and removes employers as the best judge of the employee merits they need to succeed and grow the U.S. economy." Garfield argues that the tech industry cannot find enough STEM-skilled Americans to fill open positions and that U.S. immigration policy "stops us from keeping the best and brightest innovators here in the U.S. and instead we lose out to our overseas competitors."
Translated: "Where the fuck are we going to get our cheap programmers????"
If you hold a green card in the US for 5 years you too can become a US citizen. So the same basic "path" at Australia and Canada. We just don't have their common-sense point system - yet.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
You are the same people that some of the above are talking about. We speak out about the H1B abuse and you stick your fingers in your ears and go "lalalalalala". What part did you miss about the Disney IT replacement, the UCSF, Edison Power, etc...., the list goes on. And about your co-workers with *only* masters, there are plenty of US citizens in the same boat that can not even get an interview just because they are a US citizen. So do the US a favor and please go back to Canada and start a company in your area of expertise so we can at least get into an interview to show that we also can do the work that we had to train our replacements to do. In other words.... STFU
"removes employers as the best judge of the employee merits they need to succeed"
You mean all those Indian managers, who once get a management spot, only hire other Indians? yea, it'd be a shame if they couldn't hire only other Indians.
I'm sorry but I've personally seen this multiple times in multiple places and it's no longer funny. I've had to deal with the bugs and blame-game that comes from this favouritism so much it's downright aggravating.
Yes, I know not all Indians are like this, and it's not just Indians, but there are enough that are, that's it's troubling.
And this isn't even talking about the sweatshop problem that other posters have mentioned.
still... what's the problem about grabbing them by the pussy if you have consent ?
No. The wages offered to most H-1B are low. That doesn't help Americans nor the legal immigrants.
BTW, I love people who follow the rules and immigrate here.
I dislike people who break the rules (even if it isn't their fault) and don't follow the spirit of the law, not just the letter of the law.
There is a simple solution. Require h-1b salaries be 2x the prevailing wage for Americans in the same role and take 80% of that added cost for educating Americans with the aptitude AND desire to fill those positions.
If a foreign worker isn't worth 20% more than an American, that person isn't "exceptional in their field" and shouldn't be allowed in.
It isn't the job of America to provide jobs for foreigners to come here and more than it is Canada's job to provide me with a job and health care to move there.
And let's be very clear - there is a systematic issue with college degrees in many Indian higher learning institutions. It appears to be more than half are terrible.
Certainly there are absolutely brilliant Indians in all fields, but to believe that an average India with a Master's (or even PhD) is some highly capable person is just something I haven't seen.
I've seen some real American idiots with masters and PhDs too. The more that someone tells me about their credentials seems to be a good indication of how poorly they will fit into our company. Perhaps in the academic world, things are different. We need people to produce results and help the company earn profit.
Yes, some businesses will have to pay more for their labor. However the benefits to the citizens will be immense.
Benefits like... having to pay more for product and services?
Labor is an input cost which affects the price consumers pay. Immigration restrictions are basically an implicit tax. No thanks.
I have a couple of bones to pick with you.
1. What exactly is it you do that's so unique? I'm guessing it's not that unique.
2. Holiday insurance is pretty much a no brainer and easy to obtain for you visiting in laws. But that's not what you are talking about is it? You want to drag along a bunch of family members who will contribute what?
3. Masters degrees are a dime a dozen in a US system. Masters degrees are a rupee per dozen in India. Sorry we got enough.
4. Unemployment is not low. Saying so implies a complete ignorance of how it is measured.
So while it's nice you are employed and have a good job that doesn't mean you have the right to bring along your in laws or their cats and dogs etc.
Bottom line is Trump is right. Bring your parents or whatever to the USA but YOU should pay for them as it's not my fuck9ing responsibility.
Silicon Valley here you go, (opens giant bag of dicks) help yourself. Please go fuck yourself.
it's not exactly straightforward to get your green card. There are background and medical checks, as well as pretty long waiting periods due to H-1B quotas and other administrative delays. It's much harder for friends of mine from India with *only* a Master's degree, who have to wait for something like 15 YEARS before they're able to get a green card. The uncertainty this breeds can be a real hardship, and I think it's unnecessarily cruel to ask good people who contribute more than they're paid to have to endure anything more than a few years of probation.
Yeah, people who don't have experience with the bureaucracy don't appreciate the PITA it is. They only see current green card and visa holders in their workplace, and assume it was a piece of cake. Selection bias.
When I worked at a startup, we had a solid candidate that we just couldn't hire because we didn't have the resources available to handle the immigration obstacle course. Though he was the best fit, we'd have to hire additional resource just to hire the guy we wanted for the position, not to mention the delay in getting the position filled. Our money and people resources were tight, and unfortunately, we had to fill the position with someone less-qualified, but legal to work.
> "employers as the best judge of the employee merits they need to succeed and grow the U.S. economy"
"employee merits" being, cheap labor willing to work killer hours, terrified of being fired. I mean, what employer wouldn't want that?
"grow the U.S. economy" being, grow the net worth of US-based companies.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
Silicon Valley isn't the whole country and doesn't really know what it thinks it knows.
Seriously.
It's basically "have job prospects", and "know english well enough to get by".
How the fuck is that going to hurt the economy?
Because they can't hire stupid, illiterate illegals for pennies on the dollar to watch their kids and clean their homes/offices?
BOO FUCKIN' HOO!
And Silicon Valley. One of the most overheated real estate markets on the planet?
Where are these poor schlubs going to live? You expect them to commute from what? OREGON?
These people need to pull their heads out of their a^H^H^SAFE SPACES...and take a look at the really real world...
Because their attachment to fantasy is destroying them and trying to take the state and country down as well.
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This.
Most so called libshit countries like the Netherlands also have similar systems.
You don't just get to just because you're black and you got in line.
Other than asylum seekers, you have to actually show that you can contribute something to the economy.
It sometimes seems that american legislators spend more time trying to come up with clever-ish, misleading acronyms, than with clever, useful laws
Current immigration policies do not solve the problems the US labour market faces: Giving employees better wages, more experience and job security. For the last 30 years, governments have focused on capital growth (eg. housing), causing other markets to be il-liquid and consume more resources.
You realize what you are bitching about him you took out of context with that pussy thing. His point was they would LET him do it. Not only would they LET him do it they would demand he does it. I have met *many* *many* *many* people like that. They turn into total whores the second they find out you have money. They would eat a bug out of a steaming pile of shit for a shot at your money.
I can't wait for Mueller to indict him
For what. Dreams and fantasy? You have been sold a bill of goods. Goods you find you like. But they are fantasy. But maybe just maybe THIS time Hillary can still win? Just like the recount, I mean the second recount, I mean the electoral college turning on him, I mean comey tearing him a new one, I mean his tax return leaked, I mean, I mean, I mean. Perhaps you may have noticed a pattern. YOU are being played for ratings. Sorry to break it to you. The people you are getting 'news' from are not looking out for you. They are using you. I have know this since 1999. All of the news orgs are bought and owned. Hillary thought she could use it last time with their 'pied piper' strategy. You leaders are not picked by you. They are picked by elites who give a rats ass about you. Trump is not their to be good and help. He is a hand grenade thrown in to fuck up their plan. That plan is to steal anything you have and make you feel bad about not giving more.
Put them all up against the wall.
You think the 'liberals' would be in charge with your utopian socialist society? It will be someone like Putin or Kim Jong-un. There will be those who realize how to manipulate people like you into putting them in charge then blowing your brains out. What makes you think someone worse than Trump would not be put in charge? It is the way of socialism. We have many examples. They always turn on the ones who put them in charge. They know once the BS they sold you on turns out to be the lies they are you will get mad. They take care of that PDQ.
The the person wanting to come to America has the skills, he/she will be allowed in. Quite a few countries have the exact immigration plan that Trump is putting in place.
What these companies are whining about is their source of cheap labor instead of hiring people who already live in this country. Trump will make the tax code better for these companies so they should stop whining and get being Trump's good policies instead of going against them simply because Trump isn't a Democrat.
Dolt
If the companies destroyed american student takeup of STEM courses, but constantly and consistently preferring pre-skilled immigrants over college graduates, then it is entirely their own fault that they can't find the skills.
It is a necessary "evil" for the companies to take on unskilled engineers, and give them a job so that they can gain the skills necessary to be useful - however the first five years of an engineers employment are often marked by under-performance due to the fact that the engineers are inexperienced and are gaining the necessary skills to become experts.
Yet there is no pay differentiation for engineers - companies wish to continue under-paying their same engineers once they do become experts, and so as a result, there is no incentive for companies to train engineers - it's something they want to leave to other companies to do.
Because of this, immigration is a convenient pool to steal talent from.
Yes, closing out immigration will remove this pool and hurt profits for a while, but no more than it hurts any other company anywhere else in the world. US companies need to learn to train their own employees from graduation to experienced... THIS is the only way to address the STEM shortage in the US, because there's no point in universities churning out more STEM graduates if there are no employment opportunities for them.
I work in SF and live in the South Bay, nobody I know is upset by Trump and that includes a majority of my neighbors who are immigrants (legal). I have a neighbor from El Salvador, 2 from Mexico, 1 from the Ukraine, 1 from Russia, 1 from Spain, and dozens from China. None, and that is absolutely 0, of them are disappointed with Trump and most of them voted Trump. All of them cheer for fixing our broke-ass immigration system, and they all despise illegals.
You just can't advertise pro-Trump in CA unless you want the goon squad to come visit. The goon squad has turned even more people toward Trump and away from the Democrats. Democrats are just so sure that their identity politics works they won't change. Alinski: never give up the scam
H2B and offshoring and S1B and so on and so on. God. Ok here it is. I work as an IT technical manager at a large auto OEM.
There are say, about 20 people in the team that I work with now, 3 are native to the state, 3 are Chinese and the rest are Indian. Most of them are highly skilled workers, S1B and some H1B, but this isn't really the point.
Lets consider now the last 20 or so resumes i've reviewed myself, (i've only had to hire 3 times in the last 10 years) . There were only 3 Americans in the bunch that I even saw, because our hiring requirements are filled by companies which are themselves Indian.
So, have a heart or a brain, and sympathize with the pro-immigration bunch on either humanitarian or economic grounds. I know it's in the American DNA to embrace the hard-working foreigner wanting something better, and now's a great time to grow the economy by admitting those willing to work for the wages offered here.
That trash is more than welcome to go to Canada. Let's see how "liberal" Canada like it if they are inundated with 30 million illegal immigrants who will refuse to learn English or Spanish and commit violent crimes at double the rate of native Canadians. You're high-skilled immigrant labor and I suspect most Americans have no qualms with you getting a work visa and potential permanent residency or citizenship, if you want it.
But we neither want nor need the trash that is harming the country so much.
People who think immigration and VISAs to America are incredibly painful and bureaucratic (they aren't wrong) have never tried immigrating and getting VISAs to other countries. Most other countries *do* actually protect their workforce and weigh each incoming person's ability to contribute, need to suckle off the country, and chance of taking a citizen's job. In america... well, we just flood them in and give them a little bit of a paycheck, to keep down the locals paychecks, too.
I'm right there with you, my friend. A good number of my friends are expats that have struggled against the American legal immigration system. A couple have even given up and tried to start over in other countries because of how onerous and stressful it is to try to become a permanent resident and then citizen here. One of my closest friends fled Iran and managed to get asylum here because she's a gay woman and was living under threat of imprisonment or forced gender reassignment in her country of birth. She has been working for years to make it possible for her parents to come live with her in the US, but the hostility that our current government is displaying to Iranian-born individuals makes it almost totally impossible now. Her parents were recently denied a tourist visa to visit their daughter as they had done in years past, with the US State Department interviewer immediately reject their application and referring to their daughter with homophobic slurs.
A lot of smart people unfortunately have very very wrong, closed-minded ideas about multiculturalism and humanism. We're seeing so much ugliness come out of the woodwork now that these sorts of xenophobic ideas are being embraced by the public face of our government.
Bullshit.
I have direct h1b and geeencard reports. It cost some money to a lawyer and a few months.
Maybe your guy wasn't qualified or had some other problems like a criminal background. That's exactly who we want to filter.
In your case the system worked perfectly.
Why weren't you looking at Americans? Was "speaks Hindi" a hiring requirement? Hah! Yet more assholes trying to play the system.
Translation: I disagree with you I have nothing intelligent or convincing to say so I'll call you names instead.
Try again and actually something and people might listen to you.
We love "legal" immigration. As long as they play by the rules we welcome them. It is the "illegal" ones we don't like, right? Omg I'm so confused now. I didn't get the White nationalist memo. Is it ok for us to just say we don't want no colored people here or are we still pretend g it's just the illegal ones? Steve Bannon, Fox news Breitbart, Putin are you there to help me think how I'm supposed to reply to these messages now? Help, I can't think anymore.
Since Silicon Valley is informing us that we've hit the target, double down on any measures against guest workers.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Silicon Valley will no longer be able to use cheap imported labor to depress wages. This will mean more money going to ordinary workers, and not to financial institution, and rich people. This is good for the economy. There are plenty of skilled workers - just not at the rates companies want to pay.
Those bunch of narssicist don't know what real life is like. California is just a cesspool testing grounds to see how much bullshit a human being can take before implementing policies on the rest of the country. Their sense of "progress and open mindedness" is only a firewall for their denial.
Top 100 H1B Visa employers (companies who profit through the program): https://www.myvisajobs.com/Rep...
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#16 Amazon
#22 Apple
#60 Dell
#33 Facebook
#100 HP
#12 Google
# 9 Microsoft
is this. China has 1.5 billion people and their productivity is growing at 6% a year. US has 340 million and our productivity is barely growing. For us to stay #1 or close to it will need a lot more people. The only way we get a lot more people is keep or increase our immigration rate. The people who are against immigrant are for a diminished America, a second place America.
Silicon Valley leaders are complaining that they will have to mow their own lawns if the influx of unskilled labor is stemmed. This means they would lose time when they could be doing important things and making more money.
The plutocrats of Silicon Valley obviously have their own agenda.
These data are compiled from all the recruiters that attempted to recruit me between April 12th, 2017 and August 5th, 2017. Each unique recruiter is counted exactly once even if they tried to recruit me many times for more than one position.
Recruiters
* American/Hispanic/European 42 (17.1%) Includes Anglo-American, Hispanic and European names
* Indian 196 (79.7%) Includes only Indian names - Arabic, Iranian and similar are excluded
* All Other 8 (3.3%) Includes Arabic, Persian, Asian and others not included above
It begs the questions "what exactly are all those H1B visa recipients doing?", "Are Indian recruiters predisposed to hiring more Indian workers?", and "Are Americans really unqualified to do recruiting so that we need to import 80% of all tech recruiters from India?"
I run a family landscaping business with relatives, and I don't know about what happens in Silicon Valley with IT jobs, but I can tell you all right now that native born people will almost never do hard physical work (except for us!! Some small business owners are the same, but that's about it.) They don't show up. They're lazy. They expect special treatment. They're above it all. We work side by side with our employees and never ask them to do anything we don't do, and we're just done with trying to get anyone except immigrants to do the work. If everyone complaining about "immigrants taking jobs away" started doing those jobs-- landscaping, digging ditches, hauling gravel, getting up on roofs in 110 weather, picking fruit for 8 hours, etc etc etc... I would pay to see that. It's a safe bet to make because they will never do any of it.
No one alleging widespread voting fraud has ever been able to substantiate that claim. To a first approximation, it does not happen in this country. No one has ever lost money betting on the credulity of the American public, but it's surprising to see so many people willing to believe something that is literally the opposite of reality.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
The Trump administration simply wants to change legal immigration in the following ways:
End chain immigration,
Require immigrants to speak English,
Have a useful skill to offer,
And not participate in welfare programs.
I'm confused, is Silicon Valley, let alone the us economy, really so dependent on skill-less immigrants that can't speak English and that require welfare assistance?
These proposed policies are consistent with Canadian and Australian immigration policies, how do their economies manage?
Oh wait, I get it - Trump didn't propose the Australian or Canadian immigration policies, so they are OK...
Ken
If you hold a green card in the US for 5 years you too can become a US citizen [uscis.gov]. So the same basic "path" at Australia and Canada. We just don't have their white supremacist racist white cis/hetero-normative point system - yet.
FTFY.
Then maybe the tech zillionaires would either a) leave for somewhere cheaper (Africa, or the cheaper bits of Asia) or b) actually invest in the local population - training, jobs, that sort of thing.
We have always been a country of immigrants.
No we haven't.
And it's always been our greatest strength.
No it hasn't.
If you think this basic American principle is now outdated for some reason,
A lecture on "American principles" coming from one who once derided portions of the Bill of Rights as having been written by slave owners with wooden teeth.
Maybe in typing that, you actually understood that the Constitution was written specifically for the posterity of the Founders, not for left-voting, third-generation Italian immigrants like yourself.
You and your family have to go back.
The problem is getting the green card in the first place, that is where quotas and queues come into play. A few Indian co-workers here on H1Bs are more likely to be sponsored by their children when they become of age to become citizens, than to get a green card based on continuous stay. Meanwhile a co-worker from a European country got his green card after staying five years.
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Casteism
No, that was you.
And it was obviously done deliberately.
Why do you think such deceptive behaviour is acceptable when you clearly will not put up with very much at all from the "SJW's"?