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Cummins Unveils Electric Semi Truck Before Tesla (autoblog.com)
Cummins has beat Tesla to the punch by unveiling its own electric semi truck. According to Forbes, the fully electric, class 7 day-cab urban hauler, called Aeos, gets 100 miles of range from its 140-kWh battery pack and can haul a 22-ton trailer. While the company does offer the options of additional battery packs to triple the range or a range-extending engine generator, the Aeos is better suited for city use rather than long-haul trucking. Autoblog reports: While this electric truck is a concept, it's a working demonstration of a product Cummins plans to start producing in 2019. At the unveiling in Columbus, Ind., Cummins also revealed its latest near-zero-emissions natural gas engines, as well as the X15 and lightweight X12 clean diesel engines. The company said it is embracing new technologies that allow its customers to contribute to a sustainable future.
As they say in the parlance of our time - so sad.
No such thing occurred, but I guess that's more creative than "fr1st p05t!"
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we've seen hundreds of Tesla-killer prototypes and promises. What we haven't seen to date, though, is a company other than Tesla who can actually deliver a production electric vehicle that people really want to drive.
disclosure: i'm a Tesla owner (and it's by far the best vehicle i've ever owned by an extremely wide margin)
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While people may think this is trying to steal Tesla's thunder, you should remember that Tesla Motors wasn't started to make a buck, it was started to prove the viability and promotion of electric vehicles. The fact that other companies want to jump on the bandwagon isn't a bad thing, it's a good thing because it means that the plan behind Tesla is working. If you only like Telsa for the money aspect, you can suck it. ;)
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Wear down? You mean degrade? If so, no, that's not "the way it is in electric cars".
Driving on modern EVs is much less stressful than charging. A 300 mile Tesla driving at 70 mph discharges fully in 4,3 hours. It can then fill up half its pack in 20 minutes. The rate of putting energy into packs is much higher than the rate of taking them out, unless you're driving full out on the track.
Secondly, supercharging has little to no impact on a Tesla pack's life, as confirmed by numerous comparisons. Nor is degradation even much of an issue at all, period. Here is collected data on Tesla vehicles. Click on "charts". You'll see that typical degradation is about 4% in the first year of ownership, and then it strongly declines; after five years, the average total degradation is about 6-7%. Roadster owners (aka much older vehicles) usually report about 10% degradation. Tesla warranties their packs for 8 years (with unlimited miles on the S and X). And 8 year battery warranties are actually pretty much the industry standard these days.
That of course doesn't mean that you can't make a bad battery pack; it's actually easy. Early Leafs had bad problems with degradation in hot climates, for example, because their packs are only passively cooled rather than climate controlled (they still suffer worse degradation than Teslas, but they're not as bad as they used to be). It all comes down to what type of cells you use (because chemistry / design greatly affects properties; all li-ions are most definitely not equal) and how much you baby them.
You are however correct that freeway driving on EVs is much less energy (not power) efficient than in the city. EV ranges, however (at least for passenger vehicles - I've never looked into semis) are rated on the EPA 5-cycle or an equivalency metric (such as US-06 times a downward adjustment factor of 0.7). They're for "normal" highway driving, supposed to be an average of how people drive. That said, if you drive faster than average, you'll get significantly poorer performance. On the flipside, if you're a slowpoke, you'll significantly exceed the range.
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Natural Gas is not - nowhere near zero emission. Put on a brain! .Thailand #1 in clean energy, now, Even TukTuks are LPG.
It is cheap - which is why trucks in Thailand have had gas cylinders on their trucks for flat haul for ages
And there are plenty of prototypes as said. However I expect gas prices to shoot up again.
The problem for EV's is that dealers make no after sales money - a disaster!
No more rip off services. No more overpriced fluid scams. And truck drivers WILL do DIY surgery on duff battery packs.
Cummins will not have built their own battery pack, so the difficulty of making a pack is irrelevant. But the point about this just being a demonstrator is completely valid. Let us know when they have something on the road.
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"While this electric truck is a concept (...)". Tomorrow I can "unveil" or "announce" a solar powered space ship capable of flying to Mars and back. Stop posting about non-existent products. Wake me up when they actually starts selling this truck.
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Presumably only if they're not counting CO2, unless somehow they've changed the laws of physics. More half truth marketing which makes me suspicious of all their claims.
"Clean diesel" is a marketing term. While the origin is earlier, they really began plugging the term about 15-20 years ago to try to take the thunder first off of HEVs, then PHEVs and BEVs. They had a big marketing campaign about how diesel now is so clean that it's emissions are like gasoline, except with a lower CO2 footprint. And they sold quite a lot. And then it was discovered that almost the entire industry was rigging their diesel emissions scores by detecting when the vehicle was being tested and putting itself into a degraded performance / lower emissions mode for the duration of the testing.
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Hint: check the literal meaning of "ballistic".
(here's another hint: SpaceX)
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He could have gone ORBITAL, but he didn't. So maybe he's not *that* worried after all.
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What we haven't seen to date, though, is a company other than Tesla who can actually deliver a production electric vehicle that people really want to drive.
Like Renault ? Who's been putting electric vehicles on the market for quite some time (cooperating with Nissan) (Covering a whole range of uses cases: Twizzy, Zoe, Megan, Kangoo)
Like Citroen ? Whose electric truck have been used by French postal services since the 90s ? (who needs extreme range when 20km is about as far as a your regular delivery route goes ?)
On the other hand: all of the above are European manufacturer, and Europe's densely populated cities are just ripe for EV (even back when these used to have ridiculously short ranges), and lots of country have electricity production that doesn't even rely on burning fossils.
What Tesla managed is to find a way to make it marketable in the US, mostly by a combination of getting around US' "range anxiety" problems (mostly using off-the-shelf cells for the batteries, and integrating as much as possible the production to keep the costs low even with the ginormous battery) and doing very well executed marketing campaign (they managed to make the cars look sexy in their consumers' minds).
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The funny thing is that electric trucks for short run deliveries predates the combustion engine. In the 1890s, that's all they had, but range was restricted to the industrial site or a few miles. My grandfather apparently used one for commercial paper deliveries in Philadelphia as late as the 1930s. As long as you have a short low-speed circular route, electric is the better choice. That's why you see electric school busses, mail carrier and package delivery vehicles going this route.
They are probably realizing that they need to do something fast, because Chinese companies already have mass production and highly successful electric busses with 450kWh batteries. With them on one side, Tesla on the other, and self-driving tech looking at their industry as the first one to conquer, this is the best they could come up with.
It even looks stupid. Why build it in the shape of a classic US style "big rig" (I don't know the proper name), it's not like you need room for a huge motor under that front protrusion.
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Indeed. Sadly, "making vehicles look like ICEs because that's what consumers will expect and they'll call anything that doesn't look like that 'ugly' " is probably going to be with us for quite a while. Want better aerodynamics and an unobstructed view of the road ahead of you, with the frontmost point only dictated by crash safety? Too bad; you get a giant, minimally-tapering protrusion ahead of you, complete with fake grille!
Frunks actually make the problem worse, because not only does giving up more "front end space" mean "looking less like the ICEs that they're used to", but now they've become accustomed to having a frunk (even though the space would be much better utilized added to the rear end instead). Of course, the need to improve streamlining is shrinking frunks, to the point where Tesla's Model 3 can only handle a carry on.
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Once manufacturers deployed their "fixes" to current vehicles on the road, the result was a significant loss of power and worse fuel consumption.
As for their ad campaign, I'm surprised you never saw it. The even hired the Mythbusters crew at one point to plug it.
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Wow, it must be a lot of fun driving across the country driving 2 hours at a time and having to wait 20 minutes between each leg. People with EVs are a tourist trap's dream. In doing the same with my ICE this summer I experienced half hour waits for gassing up; I wonder how that will pan out once more people have EVs.
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Actually, EVs tend to go further in low-speed stop-and-go conditions than they do at high speeds. EV range is strongly correlated to velocity. Gasoline engines cancel out the increased aero losses at speed by the increased efficiency they gain from being in a higher torque regime. Gasoline vehicles (excepting hybrids) also do not regen, and they idle at stops.
What hat are you pulling that "eight plus hours" from? I have no clue what Cummins' plans are (presumption: "not much"), but long charge times has never been part of Tesla's game plan. Tesla battery packs are generally designed to fill approximately 50% in ~20 minutes, to 80% in ~40, and then taper down from there. Semi's launch will correspond with the rollout of Supercharger V3. All that we know about V3 is that it will be battery buffered (so the grid doesn't limit how fast it can discharge), and that it will make 350kW look like "a childrens' toy". Current superchargers are 145kW / max 120kW per stall (2 stalls per charger).
So if you were driving, say, 70mph (go ahead and fill in the details yourself), that would be 5,7h, meaning somewhere on the ballpark of one hour of charging spread out over the course of your day of Tesla goes with fast charging for semi, even less if they go for battery swap (some people think they will; I do not). Whoop-di-doo. Fuel costs generally are double driver salaries anyway for a fleet operator. Also worth noting that in the EU, a driver isn't even allowed to drive more than 4,5 hours without 45 minutes of total breaks.
Again, this article is about Cummins, but anyway, EPA ranges are based on the 5-cycle or an equivalence factor thereof. It's actually quite realistic. If you want a cycle to complain about, it's Europe's reliance on the ridiculous NEDC (it inflates EV ranges by 15-20%).
Grades are big loss factors for ICE vehicles, but not for EVs. An EV that rolls down the opposite side without regen loses almost nothing at all. If it has to regen, losses of the energy spent in climbing are generally only 25-50%, depending on the efficiency of the motor and battery. In the real world, the vast majority of climbing energy is recovered via rolldown rather than regen, and hence practical losses are very minimal.
Which is why cutting fuel costs in half in the US, and by 60-85% in Europe, is a Big Freaking Deal.
Are you trying to hit all of the selling points? The fact that it's leased makes it much easier because even if you have to pay a higher lease payment each month, you're saving much more than that in fuel payments each month, so it makes it a no brainer.
Tesla's Model 3 comes in at pretty much the same weight as other competitors in its class (BMW 3-Series, Audi A-4, Mercedes C350, etc). Semi will be no different. The packs on Semi will probably come in around 2 tonnes, give or take (it'll be easier to say once we're given exact specs). The drive units will add another 0,5 tonne or so. Compared to the weight of the engine and transmission they're replacing, that's not that much.
It will also almost certainly be the most powerful diesel truck ever. Expect
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Ed: I should be saying "diesel" rather than "gasoline" since we're comparing to semis. I wish there was a less awkward generic term for ICEs than "ICE"; I hate having to specify specific fuels when the conversation applies to them all.
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A 300 mile Tesla driving at 70 mph discharges fully in 4,3 hours. It can then fill up half its pack in 20 minutes.
Wow, it must be a lot of fun driving across the country driving 2 hours at a time and having to wait 20 minutes between each leg.
Why are you driving 150MPH?
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What is a semi truck? Half truck, half... what?
Packs degrade through charge discharge cycles as well as time and yes they are affected by temperature. However a commercial truck would go through far more full discharge cycles than a car, most every car on your list is charged less than 2x a week and they are not full discharges. A commercial vehicle will likely have 2-3 full discharges per day, 8 years is to 10% for a commercially used vehicle isnt reasonable.
He could have gone ORBITAL, but he didn't. So maybe he's not *that* worried after all.
I think you are talking about Bezos.
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Waits are generally nonexistent at superchargers. It actually made the news when there were lines at some in northern California and a few other places during the eclipse, because waits are such an unusual thing. But I guess if having to wait half an hour at a gas station even on trips is what you enjoy - let alone how you have to use gas stations in your normal life rather than starting out every day with a full "tank" - then power to you.
A typical gas station costs about a million dollars to build, give or take. A typical Tesla supercharger station costs about $250k. There's no excavation and big tanks full of environmentally-sensitive fluids; the only digging is a trench, the chargers come on pallets and go into a simple outdoor enclosure, and the pedestals sit over the trenched conduit at the ends of parking spaces. Very, very simple. And that $250k figure is at the current rate of production, let alone with the larger-scale production you'd have at wider adoption. Furthermore, superchargers benefit from sharing between chargers, since rates of charge vary between different vehicles (vehicle type, state of charge, etc). And adding a second (or third, or fourth) cable is a nothing expense. Currently Tesla superchargers split two stalls per charger. Expect more with V3.
Note that we're only talking about current charging speeds, let alone where they're headed.
Lastly: if you plan to not take rest breaks on long drives, could you do everyone else a favour and let them know before you head out, so that they can avoid the areas where you'll be? Thanks!
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Seems to me that these days there's a bigger learning curve required to design, build, and sell semi trucks than there is to design and build electric power trains. Also, I suspect it will be both easier and more cost-effective to retro-fit an electric truck for extra range than it would be for a car. If I'm right, truckers will be able to start saving money on fuel immediately, and invest in greater range later on without having to trade in / trade up.
If Musk was less of an ego-maniac, he might see the sense in partnering with someone already in the truck manufacturing business. Leveraging the knowledge, reputation, and sales channels of an incumbent would allow him to get all that wonderful innovation Tesla has developed into a LOT more vehicles. Megalomania only gets one so far - at some point your company will suffer if you fail to cooperate with others and strike strategic alliances.
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I've never understood this anti-EV argument of driving across the country. First, you generally only drive across the country if you are (a) poor or (b) have a large group, or (c) both Poor people are generally not buying brand-new vehicles. They are taking whatever comes in the second-hand market and so while being poor doesn't make one any less valuable as a person, it does mean that their needs aren't that relevant to car manufacturing. There is some relevance as they do affect the resale value of the vehicle but that's fairly minor compared to other factors. If you're not poor and if you're in Tesla's target market, you *fly* across the country. Probably using points and getting upgraded to business class. When traveling with a large group, you aren't going to take your daily driver. You will want to rent a transport van or an RV or something. But even if you want to take your own car, you usually only have a large group because you have a *family*. And the vast majority of families have more than one vehicle and are in an ideal EV situation where one vehicle is EV and the other is ICE or hybrid. If you want to make an argument against an EV, it's that the range is too *long*. The range on a Tesla is like 300 miles. I don't drive that in a month. Its hard to justify paying for a huge battery pack when the range of a Nissan Leaf would cover nearly 100% of my driving needs and my wife has a larger ICE vehicle that we can take for anything else. If anything, I would expect at some point (when production capacity picks up) that Tesla may offer a downgrade battery pack to go after more of the market so people aren't wasting money on battery pack capacity that they don't need.
Most long-haul trips I’ve made in my life have been with multiple drivers in the vehicle. Taking a pee break and switching takes 10 minutes, if there’s a line for a urinal.
Ed2: "most powerful class 8 truck", not "most powerful diesel truck".
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It even looks stupid. Why build it in the shape of a classic US style "big rig" (I don't know the proper name), it's not like you need room for a huge motor under that front protrusion.
Without a bunk it's all meant for local hauling. Thing is, with the range in North America, no one would buy it. 2x800km trips in the same day is considered normal for "local" hauling. My neighbor works for a local company that hauls between Woodstock, Ontario and Lansing, Michigan twice per day(around 1600km per day), even with nexus and pre-pass clearences for the trucks she's normally on the road 14-15hrs, which is legal as long as the breaks are observed properly -- or the company has paid the government a head of time to break the rules. A US trucker can pull the same or more depending where they're operating out of as well.
Keep in mind that the difference between a bus and a truck is that you only have the weight of the bus+passengers. The truck has to pull itself, the trailer and whatever is in the trailer...which can be a lot. My guess? The NA design was easier to use to cover up the drivetrain and batteries then the EU models. Oh, and in a lot of places in North America, you can't obtain your truck license by driving a truck with a "flat front" design they simply don't allow it. Back in the 1990's they decided that it's too easy to hit pedestrians because the driver couldn't see down far enough. So everyone basically went with nosed trucks. So the sloped hood design is meant to allow the driver a wider range of view past the front of the truck, especially with the wide-angled mirrors.
Don't forget that the flat-front trucks exist mainly because they were cheaper to make in soviet block countries and so on.
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I'm not poor, and often drove 9+ hours by myself to visit my dad. At least a few times a year. Also drive with my wife and kids about 8 hours to visit family a couple times a year. Those are the more common, restricting cases. Its not about "driving cross country", which I don't see the OP said anyhow.
BEVs work fine for a lot of use cases. The present offerings don't work for me quite yet, in large part because I often drive cross state for work on short notice, and in large part because the financial case doesn't work for me. I look forward to when they do, we are getting closer, but we are not there yet no matter how many want to claim we are.
2x800km trips in a day would be illegal in the EU. It's not safe to do 16+ hours of driving in a day.
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The OP said "Wow, it must be a lot of fun driving across the country driving 2 hours at a time and having to wait 20 minutes." He definitely did use the phrase "across the country." It's clear that BEVs don't work for everybody. Anybody who claims that they do would be making a fool of themselves. But I would argue that we are getting to a point where most two (or more) vehicle families would probably be better off if one of them were a BEV. I work with a good number of people who drive across their states for business. They own very high end gase vehicles. The company pays them for mileage. But rather than drive their own cars, they use a rental for the trip in order not to run up their odometers and (I guess) turn a small profit. I don't know why since they are already well compensated. Since it's trendy to post personal anecdotes, we own four vehicles for two drivers. A Mazda CX-5, a Toyota FJ cruiser, a Mazda Miata, and a Chevrolet SSR. Obviously two are daily drivers and two are fun cars. If we could swap one of the dailies for a BEV at no cost, we'd be fools not to. It's likely that the next daily to get upgraded will be a BEV. We only have one kid. So for a long trip with all of us, it's no problem to take whatever daily driver is pure gas. If it's just one of us and a kid and the other has the gas car, just take one of the fun cars! Really not an issue at all.
13hrs is standard, 14hrs happens, same with 16hrs. You can do more, if the company pays for it. This is the law here in Ontario. Something to keep in mind, that the distances that are traveled are vastly different between the EU and Canada/US. The busiest truck crossing in north america is detroit/windsor bridge(there's 2 others in the area not counting barge transit for hazardous goods) and another bridge system in Niagara Falls. The busiest highway system in the world is between Detroit, Michigan(Windsor, Ont is right across the bridge) and Hull, Quebec, right through Southwestern Ontario.
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The OP said "Wow, it must be a lot of fun driving across the country driving 2 hours at a time and having to wait 20 minutes." He definitely did use the phrase "across the country."
My mistake. I looked for that but missed it. Thanks.
But I would argue that we are getting to a point where most two (or more) vehicle families would probably be better off if one of them were a BEV.
You'll have to demonstrate that with actual dollar analysis to convince me. How much money will they save for the lifecycle (purchase, fuel/charge, maintain, resale)? for an equivalent size, economically priced ICE. But at least you understand that a second ICE vehicle is pretty much still needed to make it work, I agree that's pretty much a given.
Personally, I buy used vehicles, like a lot of families do, the BEV case can't compete yet in that realm.
Actually at 140kWh using a 600V 300A charger (I've seen 676A chargers), it would take 45 minutes to recharge.
For distribution centers, the truck is about 150 miles from the DC. Generally, at a Best Buy or WalMart, there's a full bay or two with empty trailers. It takes us 1-2 hours to unload a truck; the trucks grab the other trailer and leave. Given a L3 charger on a ChargePoint cube with 2 outlets at 676A, we could have two trailers charging simultaneously and have a full 140kWh battery in 45 minutes.
If the truck itself has a smaller battery (say, 20kWh), we could selectively divert resources to charging the power plant when one is plugged in: stop charging the trailers (all of them) and throw the full 676A, 600V at the truck. Its battery will charge in 3 minutes, and it can drive off without a trailer. The MP100KWh it gets without the load is considerably-high. The driver has to wait 10-15 minutes to settle everything before he can leave, anyway.
On the other hand, because it takes about an hour to unload a truck, even at 300V or at 600V with only 240A, the trailer's recharged in about an hour. That means a 600V circuit (3-phase power supply required for any of this anyway) can recharge two trailers with a 500A charger while they unload.
Truck shows up, drops trailer, moves to an empty trailer, takes it, leaves. If you can get out of the truck, walk into the door, find the store manager, sign off that the seal has the same number as the invoice the manager received (indicating the truck has not been opened since it left the DC), and get back to the truck in 3 minutes, you have a fully-charged 20kWh battery under your cab, and a fully-charged 120kWh+ battery under the trailer you just snagged.
The best part is the DC doesn't need nearly as much power: trucks are showing up empty, so they should have trailers with a near-full charge.
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Most of that million dollars for a gas station goes into the retail establishment that sells coffee and hot dogs. The actual fuel dispensing portion isn't the bulk of the expense mainly because the bulk of profit for the stations doesn't come from gasoline sales.
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Really? For a used car, you can't beat the NIssan Leaf. You can get one 3 years old with under 50k miles for under $10k. Considering that they are $35k new, that's a steal. Plus under $10k is just a good price for a car. Go a year or two older and you are in the $5k ranger. Its shocking how cheap they are. Now that's terrible if you purchased yours at full retail and want to sell, but its a great deal in the used market. I assume most new purchasers got $15k in tax credits, though, so their actual price was closer to $20k. Still awful in terms of depreciation though. Glad I never bought one new, but happy to get a bargain on the aftermath.
A leaf is bit small for our needs. But assuming you can get one in decent condition under 50K mi for under $10K, how much to install charger? How much maintenance cost? What is my remaining range with this older battery? How fast will that degrade? What is resale on that after another 8 years of driving?
The 'you can get one cheap' part is only the beginning. I don't stop there when I do my calculations.
I've never seen a company the size of Telsa with so much short interest, and I've learned to never ignore short interest.
Plenty of companies the size of Tesla have copious short interest and I've seen several who were larger than Tesla over the years. The reason for the short interest obviously is that Tesla's market cap is wildly out of line with the underlying fundamentals of the company. The company simple does not kick off enough profits or free cash flow to justify the current valuation and has no reasonably short term prospects of that happening. There is simply a lot of irrationally enthusiastic speculation going on with Tesla but it's hardly the first company to experience that.
Tesla might become profitable but I'm VERY dubious that anyone investing at the current stock price will ever realistically see the fundamentals catch up to the stock price in a short enough time to make it a good investment. I like Tesla as a company and I like their products but there is no way in hell that I think the company is a good value at anything even close to the current market price. It's a arguably good company but probably not a good investment currently. The short interest merely shows that I'm not the only one who thinks that
I hope these are rhetorical questions since I certainly am not the right person to ask Leaf-specific questions! You can charge a leaf in 8 hours from a standard wall charger so for most people you don't need anything special. The cars come with 8 year / 100k miles on the batteries and, as far as I know, transfer when the car is sold. There are no eight year old Leaf's so you would have to hypothesize the resale value. A BEV has much less maintenance and less to break than an ICE car although I would guess that repairs are more expensive. All this has to be balanced against fuel savings. As has already been mentioned, batteries don't degrade that much so worrying about residual range doesn't seem to be a big concern although as has also already been mentioned don't buy an older Leaf as the batteries were passively cooled and that did lead to degradation. Get a model new enough to have active cooling. The good new is with all those older models out there, junkyard parts are probably plentiful if you need a non-EV component
The article doesn't make it clear - can it haul 22 tons 100 miles?
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Like I said, new just doesn't work financially. I can't speak for everyone and try not to. But you are telling me a used Leaf is likely a good investment but not providing the basis, and admitting the end game is not yet known. That is something that I care about. You mention warranties. "It has a warranty" is easy to say but you have to understand the fine print. An 8 yr/100k mile warranty doesn't necessarily get you a new battery if you've worn out the old one, or even pay labor. Most warranties pay back a depreciated value based on time/use and only return a small part of what a replacement might cost. I don't know Leaf's BEV warranties so I'm not claiming anything, but just throwing out 'it has a warranty' is quite open and not helpful.
In the end, a Leaf is too small for me, and a second EV is still a problem because I am on the road for days at a time and my wife sometimes needs to do a lot of driving, transporting the kids and their friend, and making trips to nearby town offices to take care of business. A used on might handle a lot of that, but not with the certainty required for our personal needs. I can buy a much more functional, fuel efficient vehicle for less, drive it for 10 years, mostly self maintain, and still get good resale return. Fuel savings don't make up the difference, and I'd need to see a lot better than break even to be worth the reduced functionality.
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Not poor here! I work a few days a week, 2-3 times a month, in the Bay area. Live near Ventura. Have a nice 400 mile commute when I choose to do it, rather than fly - and I like that. A coworker does it occasionally in his Tesla, but he has to stop half-way up and recharge to ensure he will make it here...
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"Clean Diesel" marketing came out around 2007-2010 when US emissions regulations tightened significantly.
It's important to note that so far the only manufacturer to be proven to cheat on emissions is Volkswagen. There are allegations against other manufacturers, but so far they haven't been proven. Although, the fact Chrysler recalled their vehiclesdoesn't look good for them.
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So please excuse us for believing caveat emptor for anything a corporation says.
You're free to believe anything you want, regardless of whether it's true, and you don't need to be excused for doing that. Where you'll run into criticism is where you start stating your beliefs as facts.
I don't know what your specific gripe is with Tivo. As far as I can tell, they've never offered a "lifetime warranty" on their hardware. They offer a "Lifetime Subscription" that is tied to a specific piece of hardware, but it's non-transferrable and isn't a hardware warranty.
Some companies offer a "limited lifetime warranty" that is typically good until some specified time (e.g, 5 years) past the end-of-life of the product. Warranty terms are spelled out in the contract; anyone who swallows marketing language and doesn't look at the contract is setting themselves up for disappointment.
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Unfortuantely they don't break down the $400k between the cost of modifying the building to be a gas station, and the cost of installing the underground tanks. But I seriously doubt that modifying an existing commercial building to be a gas station retail operation is more expensive than tank installation. The startup inventory ($500k) is, with only a couple minor exceptions, pretty much exclusive to selling fuel.
The ~$250k represents all of Tesla's costs for supercharger station installation, not just the charging hardware. Tack some more on if you want to add on a convenience store, but then you better also up Tesla's profits. Tesla is generally given land for superchargers for free because businesses want Tesla owners coming, plugging in there, and then going in and shopping in their stores / restaurants / etc, then leaving and new customers taking their place.
Tesla's supercharger system is set up from the beginning with long-term profit in mind. While early MS/MX owners were given free supercharging, and the network was built with solid intent that for years most of it would receive only low usage, the remote (low utilization) stations will be getting much busier with the M3 rollout (a lot of Tesla's focus now is in densifying supercharging networks within cities, to prevent them from getting overloaded by the M3 rollout). The goal is about 30% utilization per station. Tesla buys power at industrial rates (something like $0,07/kWh in the US) and sells it at $0,20/kWh, so $0,13/kWh profit. Say $0,12 after conversion losses. A V2 supercharger (we'll ignore V3 for now because we don't know the exact spec
He's just being nice so my real father won't freeze him in carbonite and sell him for spice.
And since the tank hasn't changed size, lower mpg = lower range.
He's just being nice so my real father won't freeze him in carbonite and sell him for spice.
It does not "happen" in the EU (the place that the person mentioned) without you losing your license. Trucks have a "black box" that logs your hours.
He's just being nice so my real father won't freeze him in carbonite and sell him for spice.
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Such control of private enterprises by government officials is Crony Capitalism if one wishes to be charitable, and Fascism in other cases.
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You can't win this argument. There seems to be a set of people that are convinced that unless you can do these marathon drives...by which I define it as driving until your tank gets to zero, filling up while you use the restroom and grab a package of beef jerky and a soda and then jumping back in to drive another 400 miles...if you can't do that in your car it's not "practical."
The folks who require this are certainly not a non-zero number. As evidenced by the folks who make this argument. Alternatively, the folks making the argument aren't these kind of people, but like to believe that there are many of them out there. Regardless, if that's your requirement, great, use a gasoline car for now.
For the rest of us, self included as a Tesla owner, I do road trips 300 miles in a day. I have a toddler and a dog. After 3 hours in the car I'm GLAD to get out of the car for a 30-40 minute lunch break, thank you very much. I do remember doing 600 mile drives when I was in my teens and twenties and I'm seriously glad I gave up on that and I hope that the number of times I have to do it again in my lifetime are limited to a number I can count on two hands.
Or, you know, people just want their own vehicles to drive around in once they get there. Using a rental really sucks, because you have to baby it all the time lest you get charged for some sort of damage.
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I've never understood this anti-EV argument of driving across the country.
The problem with the anti crows is very simple. They are super dumb.
If they would be smart, they would introduce every sentence with: "In my life situation" or with "in my country" or "in my daily use" or what ever.
They simply don't grasp: the USA is not like the rest of the world looks. Consider Europe:
The trip from Luxembourg via Brussels to Amsterdam is like 420km/260miles, and you have visited 3 european capitals.
From Paris to London is probably around 500km/320miles. Paris to Amsterdam just a little bit longer (via Brussels)
There are literally 100ds of millions of potential buyers for EVs. The population in the EU is 750million, a few less after BREXIT, and a few more again when NI and Scotland rejoin.
Some countries already plan stops for licensing new cars with ICE engines.
Of course, regardless of engine type, a huge deal of the population would do the trips I mentioned above either by train or by plane.
My hometown Karlsruhe is from Paris 530km or 610km away, depending on route. The longer route is 10 minutes quicker due to speed limits / motorways etc. However: even while I can drive 6h with no problem, I ALWAYS make a break. French restaurants, even close to highways are usually good quality.
However: instead of spending 6:30h in my car, I rather use a train, 3h. Has a resto, too. Or I get a wine and drink it at my seat, while I watch a movie on my laptop or read a book on my pad.
And: the train ticket is barely more expensive than the fuel and road tolls. If you get a good deal on the train ticket, you pay half for the train than the fuel/toll costs for the road.
A plane trip makes no sense to Paris. Regardless where you land, you have an 1h trip into the center of the town and you pay premium prices. And would need to reach an airport around me first ... another hour for the trip and 1h+ check in time.
The dumb US posters who hate EVs, renewable energy and hyperloops etc., simply should get their heads out of their ass ... they live in 3rd world country with a few nice shiny towns and don't realize how back water they are.
The anti hyperloop thing is so annoying, I'm 50 years old. When I was 10 I already read about concepts in Switzerland for vacuum tube mag levels. In Germany we have maglev trains since 1987, the planning started 1969!
However there never was a political will to build a real one. And many people, especially politicians never grasped it.
Now, the Chinese run a track and build more tracks. German technology sold to China for an Apple and an Egg, payed with billions of tax payer money in research projects.
I'm really happy that Elon is so fucking rich that he basically can force the innovation and change of the world on the population and stupid ass hole politicians who block everything or have no vision. After more than a hundred years finally a "capitalist" again who is transforming the world instead of exploiting it.
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In Germany we have an experimental highway (actually an ordinary highway, but equipped accordingly) with over the roof electric power lines, just like for trains, but for trucks. It is a highway connecting a cargo center with the airport in Frankfurt. Not very long, just a few km.
With all the various remote charging techniques etc. I expect future (new build) highways to either have electricity for trucks or beamed power for ordinary cars.
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proven to cheat on emissions is Volkswagen.
That is wrong. All german manufacturers cheated and that is long known. And I doubt there is anyone who did not (that includes the americans)
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In Europe basically all trucks have a flat front.
The idea that it makes overseeing pedestrians easier/more likely is absurd.
And the driving hours you bring up here would put people in jail in Europe. 14-15h in a single 24h period, in Canada? And even more in the US? Sorry ... another reason to avoid visiting America and riding on the roads.
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While this post is funny, I actually kind of think that Musk probably is a little bit tickled by this. Remember that this is the guy that gave away a bunch of patents related to charging and what-not... and I've never seen Tesla themselves do "head to head" competitive events to prove how the Tesla is better than ... he usually leaves it to the magazines and pundits to do that for him. I think the reason is that he wants to make a better world(s) more than he wants to make money. Therefore electric semi trucks that compete with his trucks are still achieving his goal.
Which has more power: the hammer, or the anvil?
The busiest highway system in the world is between Detroit, Michigan(Windsor, Ont is right across the bridge) and Hull, Quebec, right through Southwestern Ontario.
Extremely unlikely.
The busiest high way system is in my opinion around Paris. One truck after the other for 20h each day.
At night you drive 100km far and you see trucks after trucks in 50m distance to each other in that time on the opposing road side coming towards Paris.
And I guess if you go to a country like India, Indonesia or China or even Russia, you find many many places that really are busy.
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Ned too porffraed beter. :D it helps to be a "full word reader" and having no need to parse a sentence letter by letter.
Not for me, that was easy to read
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When the heck do you start driving? If you start at 7am, three hours only gets you to 10am. You're ready for lunch already? Then you have to stop for at least 20 mins and you can only drive until 12? It's not really the stopping that I don't like. It's having such little choice about where and when you stop.
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And Europe's killer achievement is having managed to have a standard for charging (Mennekes) - to the point that even Tesla, in Europe, provides Mennekes-compatible plugs on its car (but with a proprietary alternative DC charging mode) instead of the weird proprietary stuff they use in the US.
Meaning that instead of relying on 1 single company providing a network of charging stations, like the supercharger network, you see lots of diverse solutions popping up everywhere.
Some highway rest area start to feature standardised charging columns (with Mennekes / DC / Chademo tripple compatibility, just to be sure).
Parkings start to have dedicated EV spots where you can leave your EV charging while you go shopping / working / etc.
But then again, the fundamental different driving habit are making a significant difference.
- in Europe most of the drivers are actually fully aware that they don't drive that much around. Have a diverse charging network slowly growing organically is totally acceptable. (for most of the typical EV uses "I'll just let it charge in parking" is completely acceptable)
- in US, people seem obsessed trying to drive ridiculous distances in one go, and the supercharger network has been as much significant as the big batteries in helping fight range anxiety (the network of supercharger has helped show that you can realistically drive a Tesla to travel across the whole country).
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Well, I recently drove across western Canada, and there is very little around. It was 300km between gas stations, never mind EV charging stations. And this was in the summer through many seasonal areas, I can't imagine what it would be like in the winter.
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I wake up at a normal time of 7-8. We eat breakfast. We get the car packed up, we try and get on the road by 10 or so. We have lunch around 1. We cross a time zone. We get into our destination around 5.
You're correct, right now with the Supercharger network you do have to stop in specific places. In our case this doesn't limit us at all as far as where we can go...because we aren't looking at these 9 hour drives. We typically drive around 300 miles at most in a day. So that means we can leave at normal non-rushed times, and we can arrive at normal not-late times. We don't have to worry about whether lunch takes 30 minutes or 60 minutes. We can throw the ball for the dog at a rest stop if we want. Honestly, I LIKE that we specifically don't have to plan to squeeze every minute out of the day. But sure, I'll conceed that if you really do NEED to drive 600-700 miles in a day, an EV just isn't a fabulous option quite yet...especially if you have kids. On the other hand if you don't, and you're already WILLING to drive for 9+ hours, you only are adding ~1-1.5 hours to your day to charge up at Superchargers. So if 9 is no big deal, why not just do 10? Personally they're both intolerable to me, so it's a non-issue for our family.
The Wireless Power Consortium says that current wired chargers are 60% efficient to the battery and wireless chargers are inefficient, but that "next-gen" chargers will be like 70%+ efficient to the battery, when we invent the tech to do it. They have diagrams. They show ... pretty much that they excite a coil and build a transformer using DC power in, after using a transformer to convert AC to DC in.
Begging the question: wouldn't you be able to just use the DC power off the transformer and run it straight to the wire, avoiding all those other losses along the way?
Generally, we've found closely-coupled systems (transformers) lose a lot less energy than loosely-coupled systems. Inverse square law. Basically, wireless charging is okay if you're right on top of the charger, and you don't have charging surface all over the place sending power out into the sky and space; it's wildly-inefficient if your smart phone or car is smaller than the charge transmitter, or a few inches away.
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At the risk of sounding extremely pedantic, "poor" is a state of mind, not a state of wallet. Time is money. If you believe that your time has value, then consider what 9 hours (each way?) of your time is worth? This is why rich people fly and poor people don't. Rich people spend 8 of those hours making money, then they fly to where they want to go with the last hour. Now, I'm not trying to call you poor, I'm just trying to elucidate the point of the GP. For me personally, if I'm going it alone, I won't drive more than 6, because flying becomes more economical. If I'm traveling with family then I'm willing to go a lot more because a) increased costs to fly, and b) there is value for me in spending time with family, even if it is in the car, because I make it a trip rather than a drive(fun stops, games, loud music, whatever).
Which has more power: the hammer, or the anvil?
You've got it backwards. You're supposed to baby the one you love, and drive hard/put away wet the one you rent (also true of the one you leave the money on the night stand for)
Which has more power: the hammer, or the anvil?
Well said. Wish I had mod points for you.
Which has more power: the hammer, or the anvil?
That and infrastructure to support Cummins will also support Tesla by necessity.
We recently made a 1900 mile trip. we HAD to drive at least 8 hours a day and it took five days as it was; although I would have loved for it to take less. Honestly, it was difficult enough to find a hotel at each stop. A couple times we came pretty close to not getting to a gas station in time. I can't imagine throwing planned EV stops into the mix. You sound like you don't really go on very long trips, or have a deadline to get there. That's great if that's the kind of trips you do but a lot of people need to get somewhere for a reason and not always get a lot of notice for it. Buying an EV would leave me unprepared for doing such a trip again, which is not a position I would like to be in. Different people have different circumstances I guess, but in this case I needed my vehicle when I got there and I couldn't imagine giving up the freedom of having the equipment to make such a trip work.
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I thought the joke was supposed to be "Epstein's mom"
I'm not saying a used Leaf is good for you. I'm saying that for *most* *families* with multiple vehicles, having one of them be a BEV makes sense. Everybody's situation is different. You describe driving it for ten years. I can't actually find it in our HOA rules, but it seems as if there is a rule against owning any vehicle more than five years old. You would certainly think so the way people complain if there is any older-looking vehicle parked overnight. But I know very well that my situation isn't typical in that regard. One counter example doesn't change a many/most statement.
It does happen in the EU, either by using more than one driver or just by ignoring the law and hoping that the police won't stop the truck and check the driver cards. I remember reading the news about two Bulgarian drivers who were in their truck for 45 days, skipping their weekly mandatory two day breaks.
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Sadly, "making vehicles look like ICEs because that's what consumers will expect and they'll call anything that doesn't look like that 'ugly' " is probably going to be with us for quite a while.
Well, the good thing (or bad thing, I don't know) about the trucking market is that it driven much more by economics than by aesthetics. If a company can build an electric truck that allows the truck's owner to significantly reduce his operating costs, it probably doesn't matter much how, err, unusual it looks.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
Yes he would have to make one 20 minute stop at a super charger. At the same time he can urinate and eat. The who/e /. attitude toward EVs will change when they start putting superchargers outside of stripper bars. Then suddenly everybody will be buying them and declaring that the "most convenient" supercharger is at strippers-r-us.
Actually, road tripping is very popular in Teslas. On the forums it's very common to hear people road tripping a lot more after they got the Tesla. Why? Reasons vary, but include it being more fun/comfortable to drive, your travel is a lot cheaper, it's more enjoyable when you're not trying to push yourself for nonstop no-breaks travel, and if you really want to be cheap, Teslas are great for "camper mode" (seats fold flat and you can leave the climate control on without idling an engine). Probably the most popular Tesla-related videos on Youtube are from a Norwegian guy, Bjørn Nyland, who uses his Teslas for courier service in Norway / travels around Europe and the US for fun; he puts huge amounts of mileage on them.
He's just being nice so my real father won't freeze him in carbonite and sell him for spice.
And yet you use one example (the HOA) to back up your contention of 'most'. You may be right, but you haven't made the case. I find that 'most' comes with a lot of assumptions and possibly a singular perspective/viewpoint. I'm sure you strongly believe what you say. I'm more skeptical, in part because the market is saying otherwise. LOTS of smart people with two or more cars do the math and don't get a BEV. They may all have unique reasons.
I think some of it is that, for whatever reason, Tesla drivers have embraced the idea of road trip as recreation. If it takes 6 hours? 5? Either is OK. 4 days? 5? Also OK. Lunch stop for 30 minutes? 60? Sure.
For us, for instance, as long as we get into our destination in time for socialization and dinner we're pretty much OK. We don't need, or really want, to take trips that demand squeezing the absolute most out of the day. We have enough anxiety as it is without making our recreational trips an exercise in time trial racing.
But sure, if you're going to suddenly have to make a time critical trip over 2000 miles at the drop of the hat with very specific requirements for time, distance, and lodging...maybe not the choice for you. But I'd kind of be interested to know what your starting/ending points were to see, academically, if your trip was doable by charging/supercharging in a reasonable manner. A lot of folks, though not all, are surprised.
That is easy to imagine:
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Charging systems for batteries of the size used in EVs are around 90% efficient, up to 98%.
Some time ago I had a discussion, where I was womdering like you about wireless charging, and the guy claimed his EV is wireless charged in the garage and the overall efficiency was over 80%
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I don't believe a lick of your source...
"(automobile repair tools, vulcanizing tools, and wheel alignment tools)" Is this a gas station with a repair shop? I haven't seen one of those in years...
"The cost for the purchase of gasoline tanker – $45,000" 1) retail stations don't own tanker trucks, they order deliveries from carrier fleets. 2) There is no way you can buy a gasoline tanker for $45k.
"The cost for building and hosting a website – $600" No independent gas station has a website. Any franchise location relies on a corporate website. Any corporate location doesn't need to include that cost as the incremental cost for a new station is nil.
Yes it's an anecdote! Were you expecting original research in a Slashdot comment?
Crash safety is the reason why EVs still have hoods out in front. Crumple zones require a zone. You don't build trucks short unless you have a reason because it complicates maintenance. As long as you have hybrids, that alone will be a great reason to keep a hood out front. You have seemingly excessive overhangs on cars for the same reason, they're a place to hide foam.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
But the thing is, driving for recreation is fine. I do it when on vacation, but the choice isn't always there. And if you want to check on things, check east-west Ontario routes north of the great lakes.
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Gasoline vehicles (excepting hybrids) also do not regen, and they idle at stops.
Get ready for the attack of the mild hybrids. You know how more or less all the automakers are claiming that most or even all of their models will be partly or fully electrified by real soon now? Most of those vehicles are going to be mild hybrids with a 48V Li-Ion pack little larger than a good-sized lead-acid wet cell of today, and a starter-generator which is only around double the volume of a good-sized alternator now. They're all going to have auto stop-start and probably electrically preheated catalysts, which are enabled by having the high-capacity battery on board. This will bring the emissions way down, and the efficiency way up, while keeping the mass low. Combine that with Nautilus' gasoline compression ignition
and Koenigsegg's freevalve technology and it may well get within shouting distance of EV efficiency.
You still need carbon-neutral fuel, so I'd still rather just see EVs proliferate, but this stuff is happening whether it makes sense or not.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
"Check on things"? I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you're talking Superchargers, a Trans-Canada supercharger route is planned for next year.
He's just being nice so my real father won't freeze him in carbonite and sell him for spice.
Front crumple zones are a reason to have the furthest forward point be a significant distance ahead of you, but it's not a reason to include a significant enclosed volume ahead of you. The latter is a pointless style feature that works against visibility and aerodynamics.
He's just being nice so my real father won't freeze him in carbonite and sell him for spice.
Front crumple zones are a reason to have the furthest forward point be a significant distance ahead of you, but it's not a reason to include a significant enclosed volume ahead of you.
No, it is. Crumple zones aren't magic. They are either spacious or expensive.
The latter is a pointless style feature that works against visibility and aerodynamics.
Visibility, yes. Aerodynamics, no. Having that space out in front of you permits you to channel airflow such that you can actually improve aerodynamics. The flat face is almost the worst case.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
It will be interesting to see how they do. There isn't a lot there. Even gas stations are very far apart. Not much civilization on the highway just small groups of buildings. A lot of independent electricity would need to be run. I'm guessing they'll expect people to use the American route to the south, which wouldn't have worked for me in this case.
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Plus I should add that this whole conversation is really a moot point anyway. We were traveling with pets and there is no way there would have been room for all of us plus luggage in a Tesla S anyway.
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It also means he must plan his trip to include a supercharger - meanwhile, I get to choose when and where I want to cruise PCH if I choose, because there are gas stations just about everywhere. Electrics are great - but they are by no means a panacea, and they have - and will continue to have - significant long-distance challenges because of battery chemistry. Hybrids are a much better option for any long-distance use (I'm hoping the 2018 Goldwing comes with the rumored hybrid setup, a small battery, electric motors and small 4 cylinder engine to charge/provide addtional HP as needed).
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You opinion doesn't matter. What matters are the numbers. At night in Ontario, along the 401 trucks are generally 1 length apart, during the day time the right-2 lanes are nearly bumper to bumper. The only time it slows down is during holidays, you really don't have an idea of just how busy the highway system is. Between Detroit and Windsor alone 8k trucks cross on a slow day, and that it's roughly $250-450m/day in trade at that single crossing.
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Trucks have a "black box" that logs your hours.
It takes less then 4 minutes to bypass those, just a FYI. They're used by some companies here in north america too, and you're still required to use a physical log book.
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These are not competing vehicles an "urban hauler" is meant for "last mile" delivery where as Tesla's semi are targeted for long haul trucking.
Lots of smart people are overweight and don't exercise enough. It doesn't mean that the decision is correct in terms of a factual analysis. Humans are emotional beings. In the USA, this is especially true with cars. Since pure ICEs are pretty much dead (not even going to be legal for sale in much of the world), I imagine what we will start to see is BEVs with 200 mile ranges with optional range extenders that nobody needs but car salesman will be able to sell at incredibly high margins.
Well, one of things Hyundai does is it's only a lifetime warranty for the original owner of the car. Once the car is sold second hand then the warranty converts into a 10 year/100,000 mile warranty for all subsequent owners (which still isn't bad). So like some of these other lifetime warranties I've seen offered (usually by dealers) one of the things they betting on is that the vast majority of the cars are not going to be sold to people who keep the car that long.
Sorry, driving that close to each other is illegal everywhere on the world.
What stupid idea do you have?
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-The behavior of overweight people is non-sequitur. Not a good way to start a point. Battling a health issue is quite different than choosing a car, and there are plenty of people that are not overweight who have determined BEVs are not right for them.
-ICE may eventually be dead, but they are not now. They are selling quite well. I see the emotion in your point, you speak of the world you want (ICEs dead) as if it were the present.
-One might imagine many things. Like ICEs being dead.
You should probably spend more time on the highway then. It's illegal everywhere, and everyone does it until the police or MTO nab a few, clears up for a few km then right back at it. Welcome to the reality of long-distance driving. Also, since the winds coming from the south-west tonight, I can hear the 401 pretty well. Sounds like at least 2 truck drivers have nearly fallen asleep and hit the rumble strips in the last 3-4 minutes.
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