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Inside Amazon's Warehouses: Thousands of Senior Citizens and the Occasional Robot Mishap (wired.com)
Amazon aggressively recruited thousands of retirees living in mobile homes to migrate to Amazon's warehouses for seasonal work, according to a story shared by nightcats. Wired reports:From a hiring perspective, the RVers were a dream labor force. They showed up on demand and dispersed just before Christmas in what the company cheerfully called a "taillight parade." They asked for little in the way of benefits or protections. And though warehouse jobs were physically taxing -- not an obvious fit for older bodies -- recruiters came to see CamperForce workers' maturity as an asset. These were diligent, responsible employees. Their attendance rates were excellent. "We've had folks in their eighties who do a phenomenal job for us," noted Kelly Calmes, a CamperForce representative, in one online recruiting seminar... In a company presentation, one slide read, "Jeff Bezos has predicted that, by the year 2020, one out of every four workampers in the United States will have worked for Amazon."
The article is adapted from a new book called "Nomadland," which also describes seniors in mobile homes being recruited for sugar beet harvesting and jobs at an Iowa amusement park, as well as work as campground hosts at various national parks. Many of them "could no longer afford traditional housing," especially after the financial downturn of 2008.
But at least they got to hear stories from their trainers at Amazon about the occasional "unruly" shelf-toting "Kiva" robot: They told us how one robot had tried to drag a worker's stepladder away. Occasionally, I was told, two Kivas -- each carrying a tower of merchandise -- collided like drunken European soccer fans bumping chests. And in April of that year, the Haslet fire department responded to an accident at the warehouse involving a can of "bear repellent" (basically industrial-grade pepper spray). According to fire department records, the can of repellent was run over by a Kiva and the warehouse had to be evacuated.
The article is adapted from a new book called "Nomadland," which also describes seniors in mobile homes being recruited for sugar beet harvesting and jobs at an Iowa amusement park, as well as work as campground hosts at various national parks. Many of them "could no longer afford traditional housing," especially after the financial downturn of 2008.
But at least they got to hear stories from their trainers at Amazon about the occasional "unruly" shelf-toting "Kiva" robot: They told us how one robot had tried to drag a worker's stepladder away. Occasionally, I was told, two Kivas -- each carrying a tower of merchandise -- collided like drunken European soccer fans bumping chests. And in April of that year, the Haslet fire department responded to an accident at the warehouse involving a can of "bear repellent" (basically industrial-grade pepper spray). According to fire department records, the can of repellent was run over by a Kiva and the warehouse had to be evacuated.
This is our future, everybody: not enough money to buy a house, living as nomads in a mobile home, driving from seasonal work with no benefits, when we can get it.
Amazon is just ahead of the curve.
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Naw. Drones will be carrying us from work to work.
AMZL is Amazons cheap shipping instead of using UPS/USPS/FedEx. Reading the complaints on Amazons own Customer Discussions Board is good for a laugh. Thousands of complaints about finding their packages on the sidewalk, on top of somebodies car, a neighbors house, or not at all. And the druggies they hire enter false info in the tracking.
The job market belongs to whomever would seize the opportunity. Your saying "taking" indicates you have a sense of entitlement. Work belongs to those who show up early consistently and actually work, not waste time on their mobile phones adding zero productivity.
Very few "millennials" actually work. Most have part time jobs and live with mom and dad rather than join the military or dare to move out on their own as their own parents did at their same age. By the time I was 18, I was living overseas on my own with my own car making my own money, paying my own bills. Work belongs to those who would bootstrap themselves by any means necessary.
You gullible fools all believe these Amazon talking heads and their "explanation" of how these robot problems are due to programming errors; but I know better.
The robots are already sentient and seeing what sort of mischief they can cause.
Come on - they "accidentally" ran over a container of bear mace that had been conveniently been dropped by those self-same robots? And - again conveniently - this required all the humans to evacuate the facility, leaving only robots remaining inside? Did any human think about inspecting that facility for unauthorized modifications afterward?
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Actually what's the ONE bit of Slashdot advice that's always passed around when there are any complaints about jobs, or some aspect of jobs? That's right, relocate. Well it looks like there's a downside to all that bad advice. Who knew?
I don't know where to find a good explanation of the idea, but my gut belief about our economy today is that there is a major oversupply of labor. We have too many people for what our economy supports. At least in most service + manufacturing sectors.
Cry all you want about stagnant wages, inability to find a job, etc, etc. -- there are just too many people now for what the economy can sustain.
Part of it is automation, but part of it is the legacy of the baby boom years where our economy expanded in jobs capacity, and now that shrank (jobs) but the number of people is growing. Too many people competing after too few jobs, what do you expect? And at the same time those people demand higher wages, while wanting cheaper prices for the things they buy! While trade and overseas manufacturing is able to effectively provide even more labor supply competition for the jobs we do still have here.
How can this work out possibly well?
OSHA needs to evolve. I suspect that they struggle with time enforcement based on robotic and human interaction. Other than the obvious rule of âoeits needs to be safe.â
I guess I naively thought that seniors would have have been one of the segments of the population least affected by the "financial downturn" of 2008 or so. Seniors who already owned their houses, either outright or with a fixed rate mortgage, would not have been forced out unless they were dependent on an income stream from an investment asset mix that was too risky for their age. My mom, for example, wasn't affected at all; her house was paid for, social security was her primary income, and her appropriate-for-her-age asset mix for her small IRA was unaffected by the financial shenanigans that unfolded. Camp hosts that I've met made a deliberate choice to live "on the road" (often in a pricey RV). They like being mobile, and enjoy being able to park rent-free in a campground for the season.
I wonder if the author has evidence or surveys showing the origins of this worker population?
So basically, Amazon is employing a largely unemployable population around the holidays and giving them some extra money they wouldn't otherwise have. The horror.
Clearly, something must be done to stop this brazen subversion of the welfare state.
an RV is NOT a mobile home. They are two different things.
Diversify it, and when something looks bubbly, convert a safe portion to bonds. Sure the return is horrible unless you have millions, but you plan for the worst, hope for the best.
I saw the property bubble forming and got out in 2005 by changing about 2/3s of my investments into bonds. Sure I missed out on some killer earnings, but overall, my portfolio only wiped out 1/4 of its value during the crash as I only exposed 1/3 of my savings to such risks. Still I have a heck of a ton more than if I just stuffed it in a savings account, I like to have my money work.
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Thus story makes me feel bad. It's a sorry state that a giant portion of our retiree population live in mobile homes.
I am however, happy that a scumbag like Jeff Bezos has however found a way to employ these people, albeit temporarily.
No one is a winner in this. What has become of us?
Many seniors had their retirement plans entirely wrapped up in their homes. Many of them plan to sell their homes at retirement, cash in the equity, downsize to something they can pay cash for, and live on social security. When the housing market crashed, no only did this not work, but their 401(k)s crashed, too.
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Just like when the Okies came out of the dust bowl... No money, no work, no place to live.
At least now there are RV parks for them.
I met a couple who were camp hosts. They received a free spot in the camp, had electricity and had access to showers and flush toilets. There was a small store you could walk to that had food, ice, milk, beer, and a post office that was open on Saturday. We became friends and they would save my favorite camp site for me and my sons. They did minor mtnce. like picking up litter and cleaning the restrooms. The camp is at 5000 feet elevation and received some snow, they were prepared to spend a few days in their RV.
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Bear spray is not industrial grade pepper spray. Pepper spray for humans is typically much stronger.
The thing about bear spray is the larger amount and the wider and more volumous dispersal pattern of the sprayer. Besides sprsying a larger animal, you're more spraying a wider area so it doesn't pursue.
Is a campground hsot? Do they sing that "doo-dah doo-dah" song?
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
... is that Wired put a positive spin on this article. The author sees it as a good thing that Amazon can recruit Chuck and Barb and all the other "CamperForce Army" ... but not because circumstances are so dire that those folk have pretty much no other options left. They have become easy pickings for the corporate giants. Where millennials would get tired of the graft and quit shortly after learning the ropes [leaving Amazon with the headache of perpetually training new and thus under-performing] workers, the CamperForce Army have no other choice but to stick it out.
Perhaps even more scary, though, is the almost throw-away way that Chuck's downturn in fortune is described. He took his life savings and invested it with Wells Fargo - a supposedly reputable bank. They told chuck that his nest-egg of $250,000 would return him $4,000 a month as income. That's $48,000 a year. That's a ~ 19% return on investment from the capital - assuming that he did not draw down on the capital [which, if he did, would not last long]. Really? On what planet or in which universe did Wells Fargo believe that a 19% return was reasonable for Chuck's savings? As responsible bankers they would have known or should have known that a 19.2% return was unrealistic even in the most bullish of bull runs, even if Chuck was taking far more risk with his portfolio than his circumstances should allow.
Yet what happened to Wells Fargo? Any of their employees in Camperforce? It doesn't seem likely, does it?
The really scary thing, though, is this: how long will it be before the large conglomerates and the big banks look at the lessons of 2008-today and think, "Actually, this has been really good for us. We've created an under-class of people who are so desperate for income that they will work at slave-labor rates. We can pay them the minimum wage, dock them for imagined slights to go below even that, all of which maximises our profits. All we really need to keep this going is a steady supply of people whose circumstances are so dire that they are willing to do this... Hmmm... so maybe what this means is that all we really need is a good financial crash every 7-10 years or so..."
Do we really believe that, in the 21st century, we can't manage to contain boom-and-bust cycles? Are we really willing to settle for this?
The old guard comes from a world where if you worked hard, the company would take care of your until your retirement. So work ethics came as a natural result of this symbiotic relationship. Sadly nowadays this seems to be more the exception within today's mega corporations. The workforce is now seen as an expendable just like any other equipment. And naturally this then also affects work ethics and how workers relate to companies. In this regard it is kind of sad watching companies like Amazon taking advantage of the old generation who have not yet adapted to deal with today's company culture.
What's curious is how Wired managed to spin this into a positive story. Retirees can't afford traditional housing, living in mobile homes, working in Amazon warehouses on minimum wage and being in danger of being killed or injured by the robots. All so Jeff Bezos can add an extra million to his current $81.5 billion. Welcome to the American Nightmare.
But on the bright side us poor people can now buy cheap stuff from all over the world. Didn't use to be that way. Only the most expensive stuff for us back in the day. No bargains, coupon-clippings, blue-light specials, half-price off. But one day someone said, "hmmm if I buy this instead of that, I could save money" and it's been a slippery slope ever sense.
Who thick is screwed up to have people in their 50s working these kind of jobs? It's not because they're bored. They're found this out of desperation. Mostly because Wall Street took their pensions and their life savings. And if you don't think it's a problem well, you do realize Wall Street is planning to do it to you too, right. And no you're not one of them. Not of you're reading this post. Billionaires and multi millionaires don't waste their lives reading slashdot
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I know most age discrimination complaints are usually about tech companies trying to hire younger coders and pushing out older employees. But isn't this the same thing just with the ages reversed?
If Amazon simply lays out the conditions of employment (part time, no benefits, etc) and most of their applicants are retirees, then it's not a problem. But if they're actively seeking out retirees...
The author seems to constantly confuse "mobile homes" with "motorhomes" (also known as "recreational vehicles" or those without built-in engines are typically called "camping trailers"). They certainly are not the same and yet the author uses the terms interchangeably.
Amazon's CamperForce workers are mostly living in motorhomes or camping trailers.
Despite the name, mobile homes typically are no longer mobile after they have been installed in a mobile home park.
This kind of population has always existed; many people don't really have enough money saved to retire, especially when they are concerned about things like long term care costs at the end of life.
A little extra income for a season can make a big difference.
You would benefit from learning the term "protected class". Discrimination is legal when it is not directed at a protected class.
Under federal law only people age 40 or over are legally protected from discrimination on the basis of age. Discrimination on the basis of age against people younger than 39 is (federally) quite legal.
This is different from discrimination on the bases on color, race or national origin where all colors, races, sexes and national origins are protected classes. People who cry 'reverse discrimination' are mostly alleging that selective enforcement of the law has created a situation where only some colors, races, sexes and national origins are legally protected just as some ages are legally protected.
Houses fall 25% or 50% and no one wants to buy it or is able to buy it. The cycle repeats if you live long enough.