Slashdot Mirror


US Prisons Have a Cellphone Smuggling Problem (nbcnews.com)

An anonymous reader quotes NBC: Cellphones smuggled into prisons -- enabling inmates to order murders, plan escapes, deal drugs and extort money -- have become a scourge in a bloc of states where corrections officers annually confiscate as many as one for every three inmates... In South Carolina, prison officers have found and taken one phone for every three inmates, the highest rate in the country. In Oklahoma, it's one phone for every six prisoners, the nation's second-highest rate... Cellphones are prized because they allow inmates to avoid privatized jailhouse phone and visitation services that charge up to $15 for a two-minute call home to friends and family. "Inmates call their mothers like most of us do on holidays," said Dr. John Shaffer, former executive deputy secretary for the Pennsylvania Corrections Department.

But for some, the phones serve a darker purpose. "Most of these guys are just chitchatting with their girlfriends, but some of these guys are stone-hardened criminals running criminal enterprises," said Kevin Tamez of the MPM group, a litigation consulting firm that specializes in prison security... Meth rings operated by prisoners with cellphones, some with ties to prison gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood, the Irish Mob Gang and the United Blood Nation, have been discovered in at least five Southern facilities. Phones have also played a role in breakouts, with one South Carolina inmate dialing up drone delivery of wire cutters and cash for his escape in July. Cellphones are so prevalent in the prison system, Tamez said, that "if you don't have them, you would look like a loser."

The article reports convicts have actually uploaded in-prison videos to Facebook Live and to Snapchat. "Georgia inmates used phones to take photos of themselves tying up or beating other prisoners, then texted the horrifying images to the victim's family and demanded cash."

275 comments

  1. a guard problem, too by turkeydance · · Score: 3, Insightful

    as usual, management

    1. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More of the idiotic one line posts from this turkeydance moron. Why doesn't this clown get modded down? The real problem here is using prisons as a source of profit, one part of which is the excessive cost of making phone calls. Lower the costs and much of the problem will go away, since many of the prisoners using cell phones for benign purposes will lose the incentive to acquire them. If prisons aren't a source of profit, that also removes the incentive to send people there for longer sentences and crimes that really shouldn't result in prison time. As usual, turkeydance has it wrong with his worthless post. Sure, the hardened criminals may still smuggle in cell phones, but most of the problem will go away if prisons stop trying to be profitable and charging excessive prices for phone calls. It also decreases the potential that a cell phone gets smuggled in for a relatively benign purpose and then ends up in the hands of someone with more nefarious goals. Lower the prices of phone calls and mod down turkeydance. Problem solved.

    2. Re: a guard problem, too by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2

      More of the idiotic one line posts from this turkeydance moron. Why doesn't this clown get modded down?

      Mod down for what? Laziness? It's not off-topic, it's not redundant.

    3. Re: a guard problem, too by DaMattster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, just, no. The problem is the for profit prison system. For a supposedly free nation, we incarcerate a lot of people. It's a shame none of our elected officials grasp this concept. It's gotten to the point where our own system is so corrupt that many of the folks in power should be in prison. My definition of what constitutes criminality has changed in response to our elected leadership. It's amazing how closely tied the definition of crime is to socioeconomic status.

    4. Re: a guard problem, too by johnnys · · Score: 1

      Yes and no. Dropping the price of telephone calls will reduce the incentive to smuggle cell phones for benign "calls to mom", but will do nothing to prevent the hardened criminals who want to run their criminal enterprises from inside using cellphones. All that's needed here is deployment of simple cell phone jammers. No cell service, no problems.

      --
      Sometimes the "writing on the wall" is blood spatter...
    5. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and how exactly is making phone calls cheaper going to stop them getting cellphones to order hits, crimes and arrange various other illegal activities, you think they are just going to quit because they now have cheap monitored calls? fucking moron.

    6. Re: a guard problem, too by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Dropping the landline call prices would be benevolent.

      Cell phone jammers are completely unnecessary and illegal even in this circumstance; cellphones can be detected readily using existing equipment, but no one wants to spend the small amount of money needed to find and confront those that have hidden them.

      Just like it's stupid-simple to find those that haven't turned off their phones on an airline flight, no one wants to spend the money and confront passengers because of security theater-- some passengers will actually be federal air marshals and don't want to be 'outed'.

      --
      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
    7. Re: a guard problem, too by markdavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >"The problem is the for profit prison system. For a supposedly free nation, we incarcerate a lot of people. I[...] It's gotten to the point where our own system is so corrupt that many of the folks in power should be in prison"

      I agree that too many people are incarcerated and for too long (for those without violent crimes. Incarceration was supposed to be about rehabilitation, that was lost a long time ago. But that concept was lost long before "profit" prisons. If the metric for profit were shifted to people safely released without recidivism, that would change everything.

    8. Re: a guard problem, too by Lesrahpem · · Score: 5, Informative

      Years ago I spent some time incarcerated in an Ohio prison (my life's changed since then, I just want to point out I have a certain perspective about this).

      Most of the phone use I witnessed or heard about was just so people could make reasonable phone calls to family. Picture this: You've got 6 pay phones in a block housing 500 people, and the phones are only open for about 4 hours a day. It's Thanksgiving and the line to use the phone stays 30 people long. Fights happen over the phones. I have seen someone beaten by another inmate because he was on the phone for too long.

      To add insult to injury it cost like $2.50 to make a phone call, and then about $1.00 a minute and the phones would disconnect and drops calls all the time (if I remember the prices correctly).

    9. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just have a mobile phone network base station at the prison and monitor the calls from there.

    10. Re: a guard problem, too by XXongo · · Score: 1
      The post is right on target.

      The significant problem with prisons is that the guards are paid almost nothing, and as a result, many of the people who are applying are people who can't get other jobs. And the incentive to break the rules to make a few dollars is high.

    11. Re: a guard problem, too by hey! · · Score: 1

      While I agree with your characterization of the for-profit prison system and it's malignant relationship with politics, I think it's jumping to conclusion that it is "the" problem in this situation.

      For example the drone-assisted escape alluded to in the summary took place at a state-owned and state-operated prison in South Carolina.

      I suspect a deeper problem with our prisons, which is that they're essential public institutions that aren't very glamorous or attractive (to normal people) as a career path. Do you even know the career path for becoming a prison warden? You start out as a prison guard, which in South Carolina (just to stick with that example) means starting out at $12 / hour, for a job that is difficult, stressful, and unpleasant. After many years of working your way up through the ranks, you may be one of the very few who make it to the lofty position of warden. The warden of the institution where the drone escape was staged makes a princely 50,000 / year.

      Which is not to pick on the warden of Lieber Correctional Institution; for all I know he is a consummate professional doing a very hard job for not much money. But if you step back and look at the entire prison system, the idea that you could improve it by squeezing more economic efficiencies out of it seems pretty far-fetched.

      --
      Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
    12. Re: a guard problem, too by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      For a supposedly free nation, we incarcerate a lot of people. It's a shame none of our elected officials grasp this concept.

      Oh, they grasp it. They just don't give a shit.

      --
      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    13. Re: a guard problem, too by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2

      More of the idiotic one line posts from this turkeydance moron. Why doesn't this clown get modded down? The real problem here is using prisons as a source of profit

      Turkeydance is far from being a moron: he pinpointed exactly the problem using only one word: “manglement”.

      It’s the management of prisons that is the culprit, by having prisons-for-profit that charge $15 per minute for phone calls.

    14. Re: a guard problem, too by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      It’s actually very insightful, in the most insightful possible way: by describing the problem with only one word: “management”.

    15. Re: a guard problem, too by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      The problem is the for profit prison system. For a supposedly free nation, we incarcerate a lot of people. It's a shame none of our elected officials grasp this concept.

      Oh but they do. They completely grasp that this makes them look hard on crime, and they don’t increase taxes. In a land full of ignorant barbarians who cream at their pants at the barbaric concept of revenge, it’s a surefire way of getting elected.

    16. Re: a guard problem, too by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      The problem is the for profit prison system.

      About 8% of US inmates are in private for-profit prisons.

      South Carolina, which the TFA says has the worst problem with cellphones, has no private prisons.

      Oklahoma, listed as the second worst, does use private prisons.

      For a supposedly free nation, we incarcerate a lot of people.

      America's incarceration rate is about 4 times the first world average.

      Incarceration rates vary widely by state, and increases in the incarceration rate are not positively correlated with reductions in crime. Louisiana has the highest incarceration rate. Maine has the lowest.

    17. Re: a guard problem, too by burningcpu · · Score: 1

      I love this post and this guy.

    18. Re: a guard problem, too by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      Inmates that have regular communication with their families and friends have lower recidivism rates, and have fewer disciplinary problems in prison. Making phone calls and visits more difficult is very stupid public policy.

    19. Re: a guard problem, too by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      (for those without violent crimes. Incarceration was supposed to be about rehabilitation, that was lost a long time ago.

      When was that ever part of the original concept of incarceration in the US? When the US was founded, prisons were all about punishment, not rehabilitation. Some of the most egregious examples of the times, debtors prisons, were officially removed nationally in 1833. They still exist, however, you might want to take a look. This noble thought of rehabilitation has never been an actual part of the prison system in the US. Once in, it's all about doing the time.

      --
      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    20. Re: a guard problem, too by letthelightin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They aren't in prison to be tormented, but to be kept from society for society's sake. It's called a justice department, not a vengeance department, and they aren't rehabilitating anyone.

      Everyone has basic instinctual requirements: healthy food, exercise, sensory/information input, family, social connections, & safe housing. The US prison system is a recreation of hell on earth, as that's what many if not most of the US religious population is projecting. When you do this to people, restricting their mindset to a high scarcity environment, they become animals, driven by instinct and lower thought levels.

      The US prison system majorly serves to create a criminal animal slave force, most of who shall be returned to rejoin our society, and continue their aggression against the rest of us, for lack of a better way.

      In this way, the US prison system is similarly criminal, in that it espouses violence and deprivation by force, a supreme hypocrisy, and ensures that those they have been given responsibility for will near certainly enact further violence against the people upon release.

      Our Hell on Earth of a justice system is producing demons and releasing them into our communities. Maybe we should actually provide an okay environment for those we lock away for years? Maybe we should rehabilitate them, instead of dehabilitating them, before allowing them to return to us? Don't forget, many are innocently locked away.

    21. Re: a guard problem, too by markdavis · · Score: 1

      >"This noble thought of rehabilitation has never been an actual part of the prison system in the US."

      You have a good posting. Perhaps it never really was about rehabilitation, but it should be. It isn't easy, however.

    22. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      waaa waaa mod the other guy down, i dont agree with his post waaaa waaaa, not fair....you watch too much trump.

    23. Re: a guard problem, too by Gr8Apes · · Score: 0

      pretty labels don't change what it is. Intentionally, you hit the nail on the head - the claimed purpose is to remove harmful elements from society for the good of society. In reality, it's a punitive vengeance system to keep the "better" elements of society from seeking retribution for wrongs.

      There's dual issues there, how would you feel if someone that tortured your mother and left her mentally and physically debilitated for life got a 2 year sentence to see a psychologist weekly for "anger management" and they lived next door? I don't think you'd feel justice was done. Justice implies that a cost is paid in proportion to the harm done.

      --
      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    24. Re: a guard problem, too by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, I think the justice system in the US should be split into 2 tracks - punishment and rehabilitation. That would clearly state who should be in prison and who should be under rehabilitation. I see no reason why someone that was publicly intoxicated or had 1 pill or joint on them should be in prison with murderers and rapists.

      --
      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    25. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, being held incommunicado is your right, actually speaking to people is privilege. You have a very warped sense of how people get into prison, and what should happen once they're there.

      I've come around to the notion that everyone should do a month of hard time so that they would know better than to say idiot things like this.

    26. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eau contrario ... by forbidding all prison cellphones and shooting-dead-right-there perps caught with one ... both issues are resolved. Both !! For as the prison population is decreased by execution, so also the fraction of remain pussy-type trying to cellphone will decrease. Parenthetic: reduce further prison populations by obvious means. Remove visitors, books, TV and recreation from perps hard-time and enforce harsh chain-gang rock-breaking memes. 12x12' barbwire isolate cage in Utah gulag, cot, bread + water + vitimin pill once/a/week. Lots of entitled white-collar financial criminals will die bad & die fast under those conditions. I wouldn't last a month ... Maddof & Zuck wouldn't last a week.

    27. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The real problem is housing high-value criminals with people who just happened to be carrying weed or bounced a check one too many times. Violent offenders, who show no remorse should not have cell phones, hell, shouldn't even be allowed to have physical contact with anyone at the prison. The correct application here would be to have a smartphone account that can only call white-listed numbers and data usage is limited to Video/Audio/text messages to those numbers. No facebook, No open web. I have to wonder how these guys charge the damn things, are there outlets in prison cells?

      Low-value criminals, basically your "I made a mistake because I was drunk/stupid/young" don't need to be cracked down so hard, but they still need to be blocked from contacting their victims and social media in general.

      How I'd solve a lot of these problems is by creating a MVNO that issues SIM cards for "prison issue" smartphones, and have the sim card gorilla-glued in place along with the cover. The phones would have no WiFi, No Bluetooth, and be made of unbreakable materials to avoid being turned into a weapon. For dangerous prisons, the MVNO would restrict what it call and reach with data, and all data monitored. For other kinds of prisons, only the numbers of their victims and social media would be blocked, and the blocked list would be blocked at the MVNO level so that tampering with the cell phone would be fruitless. GPS always turned on.

      Then have the phones taken away or given back based on behavior. If people are found to be in a gang, use the monitored data/calls to learn what is going on.

      Then as a final "fuck you" to phone smugglers, have cell systems built into the prison that allow only phones on the MVNO to connect, and make arrangements with the regular carriers to not cover the prison. This solves the prison-break scenario by disabling non-MVNO phones inside and immediately outside the prison, and if any phones are taken out of the prison they can be tracked by where they roam.

      Basically the MVNO "carves out" a very small piece of coverage from the carriers that do exist so that prison cell phone smuggling doesn't work.

      However this is way too much effort, and not in the interests of "for profit" prisons.

    28. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I don't think a guy who tortures old women is going to be rehabilitated by a weekly counseling session for couple years. It seems likely that someone like that needs removed from society. That doesn't mean they don't need or deserve rehabilitation.

      Of course, if it can be determined that once weekly counseling is adequate and he can otherwise remain in society, then that's exactly what should be done.

      Vengeance is not the same thing as justice. That you would seek vengeance suggests to me that you should be given the same opportunity to be rehabilitated, and made safe for society, as our hypothetical tormentor.

      After all, anything else is just state-sponsored torture.

      The concept of prison sentences is odd to me as well. Prisons exist to remove harmful people from society. They ought to be removed until they can safely reenter society. Releasing someone harmful, just because their time has elapsed, is absurd. Equally absurd is keeping them in prison when they pose no danger.

      If you want safe communities, you don't want Arpio-style torture chambers. You want life skills, job training, education, and counseling and other mental health services to be at the core of the prison experience.

    29. Re: a guard problem, too by chihowa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      TFS says that most of the smuggled cell phones are just used to circumvent the expensive prison landlines, which means that any attempt at finding, removing, or monitoring smuggled phones will have to deal with all of that benign chaff.

      Just allowing the prisoners to talk to their families and girlfriends for a reasonable cost would mean that most of the phones smuggled in would be the ones used to commit crimes. Finding, removing, or monitoring their use now becomes both a worthwhile and a more manageable task.

      --
      If you want a vision of the future, imagine a youtube comments section scrolling - forever.
    30. Re: a guard problem, too by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      if you step back and look at the entire prison system, the idea that you could improve it by squeezing more economic efficiencies out of it seems pretty far-fetched.

      While that's true, I think we have a much bigger problem with corrections officers than a lack of glamor, and that problem is that they're taught to treat prisoners like animals... not that we should treat animals that way, either.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    31. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see no reason why someone that was publicly intoxicated or had 1 pill or joint on them should be in prison with murderers and rapists.

      That is a 'degree problem'. Feel free to have one prison for hard cases, and 'prison light' for the smaller guys. Some places do just that.

    32. Re: a guard problem, too by hey! · · Score: 1

      I don't see this as an either/or. It's the low value we set on that job allows that attitude to prevail.

      --
      Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
    33. Re: a guard problem, too by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 2

      Well, I think you should be trying to rehabilitate everybody in any prison, but I am biased. If someone has veered far enough outside the lines that we feel the need to incarcerate them, shouldn't we be trying to correct that?

      Mostly, the segregation you are talking about happens by putting people in facilities with different security levels. Low level offenders go to low level facilities and hard guys go to higher level facilities. Guys with super low level crimes (Pub. Intox, single pill, personal consump. possession charges, etc.) usually do their time in jails rather than prisons, per se.

    34. Re: a guard problem, too by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 2

      Also, it attracts a certain personality type that enjoys having immense power over helpless people.

    35. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...but it keeps the cash rolling in. That is important to the people collecting that cash.

    36. Re: a guard problem, too by guruevi · · Score: 0

      People with higher access to outside society also tend to live in lower security or state prisons because they've done less serious things whereas hardened criminals end up in out of state federal prisons.

      In Europe you even have in-cell phone and entertainment systems but recidivism statistics are the same.

      I highly doubt that access to family has anything to do with the choice of being a career criminal or they wouldn't end up in prison in the first place.

      --
      Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
    37. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vengeance is mine, said the Lord.

      or, alternatively:

      when is vindictive punishment too much? You can incite emotional responses by using the "someone hurt your mommie" push button,
      but that doesn't justify whatever response. There is always someone who is never satisfied by whatever punishment is handed out. I don't want
      the world to be a place where someone blows the brains out of a driver who cut them off in traffic nor a place where someone who writes a bad check
      is beaten to death with a golf club by a representative of the Quicky Mart.

    38. Re: a guard problem, too by starblazer · · Score: 1

      Just like it's stupid-simple to find those that haven't turned off their phones on an airline flight, no one wants to spend the money and confront passengers because of security theater-- some passengers will actually be federal air marshals and don't want to be 'outed'.

      FAMS are already known to crew, nobody to out.

    39. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. I pay taxes and support prisons for the torment.

      I have empathy and compassion for the victims of criminals. I want the criminals to be literally tortured.

    40. Re: a guard problem, too by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      The flight crew aren't going to search for phones, rather, a contractor being paid min wage would. Less confrontation. But they don't do that, either. They could; they don't.

      --
      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
    41. Re: a guard problem, too by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Years ago I spent some time incarcerated in an Ohio prison (my life's changed since then, I just want to point out I have a certain perspective about this)

      I'm glad you've managed to work things out (sorry if that sounds flippant; I really do mean it).

      Was this was a government-run prison, or a privatized one? The phone situation is reprehensible, regardless... I'm just curious if it's possibly a result of the move to for-profit prisons run by corporations, of if some government bureaucrats are making bad decisions due to greed or even spite.

      --
      #DeleteChrome
    42. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /. BS moderation kicks in again.
      The guy who sums it all up in one word gets -1.
      The loudmouth name slammer gets +5 for just telling someone (who made a good point) to shut up.

    43. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes, the Wild West mentality.

      Are you gonna tell us how the south will rise again next?

    44. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But all prisons are serviced by private, for-profit telecom companies who charge ridiculously inflated prices for simple voice telephone calls, leading to more inmates resorting to cell phones, leading to more who get caught, leading to longer sentences due to infractions, etc.

      Also, even in "public" prisons, large swaths of the operation, including essential functions like guards, are farmed out to private contractors. I challenge you to find any public prison that does not regularly contract labor. You can't because they don't exist anymore. And those contractors have exactly the same motivations for cutting costs and keeping their "customer base" numerous and incarcerated as do the large companies that actually own prisons. In many cases, they are the same outfits.

    45. Re: a guard problem, too by Gavagai80 · · Score: 4, Informative

      In Europe you even have in-cell phone and entertainment systems but recidivism statistics are the same.

      Present evidence for that, please. The drastically lower incarceration rates there suggest to me that they're not having to re-arrest people as much. Norway is the country best known for having comfy prisons, and it looks like their recidivism rate is 20% compared to the USA's 36%: https://www.researchgate.net/p...

      Of course it's very hard to find useful stats to compare since the nature of the crimes involved varies by country.

      --
      This space intentionally left blank
    46. Re: a guard problem, too by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      actually, you're not incommunicado, you just don't have access to modern devices that can easily be misused or mismanaged. You also don't have the right to a fork and knife, for instance.

      --
      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    47. Re: a guard problem, too by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Vengeance is mine, said the Lord.

      You realize that was put there to end clan wars, right?

      or, alternatively:

      when is vindictive punishment too much? You can incite emotional responses by using the "someone hurt your mommie" push button, but that doesn't justify whatever response. There is always someone who is never satisfied by whatever punishment is handed out.

      Yes, that's the question, isn't it? The punishment needs to fit the crime for the majority, or, if the punishment is weak enough, you wind up in a tit-for-tat retribution system where victims or relatives of victims weigh the price and deem it worth it to satisfy their sense of being wronged.

      --
      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    48. Re: a guard problem, too by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      What do you propose should be charged for a phone call that must be monitored and analysed for content related to past, ongoing, or future illegal acts. How many thousands or tens of thousands of full time employees does that take?

      --
      Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
    49. Re: a guard problem, too by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      All government organizations are serviced by private for profit companies who charge ridiculously inflated prices.

      --
      Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
    50. Re: a guard problem, too by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1, Informative

      In Europe you even have in-cell phone and entertainment systems but recidivism statistics are the same.

      Bullcrap. The recidivism rate in America is 68%. In Norway it is 20%. No other European country does as well as Norway, but they all do better than America.

      I highly doubt that access to family has anything to do with the choice of being a career criminal or they wouldn't end up in prison in the first place.

      Inmates are far more likely to come from broken and abusive families.

    51. Re: a guard problem, too by Lesrahpem · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think you're missing something here. A lot of the people incarcerated right now are in prison for non-violent crimes. There are definitely people who've done something terrible and can't be rehabilitated. More of the people incarcerated are in prison because they did something non-violent because they were in a bad situation and made a bad decision.

      For example, I knew a guy who was a union construction worker who made very good money for honest work. He got injured at work and the doctor prescribed him opiates for the pain until he could get into surgery. By the time he finally got in to have the problem fixed he was addicted to the pain meds. The doctor stopped the medication. For anyone who isn't aware, once a person is hooked on opiates the withdrawals are worse than the worst flu imaginable.

      This guy started seeking illegal opiates. He wasn't doing it to get high. He was doing it so he wasn't too sick to go to work and provide for his wife and 2 kids. Does this guy really need to be in prison for drug possession? Can we really say this guy doesn't need some kind of rehabilitation and we should just kill him?

      I realize this is kind of a straw-man argument, but as a society we have to understand our justice system as it exists works like this. There are plenty of people incarcerated who are still valuable humans who made bad decisions for respectable reasons. When we write them all off as the worst 1% we are doing ourselves a disservice.

    52. Re: a guard problem, too by Lesrahpem · · Score: 2

      I agree that the phones are a privilege, badly managed in the situation I described. I was only providing some context for other people to understand the issue better.

      The fact is most inmates will be released at some point, and some might be your neighbor. Think about that. Do you want someone who has been treated like an animal living next door to you or preparing your food? Wouldn't you rather have the guy who's been educated in better living, learned a skilled trade, and encouraged to seek guidance from his family, friends, and pastor? After all, we're talking about people who mostly offended because they lacked those things in the first place.

      If you don't care, just consider the next time you get a letter that isn't addressed to you. If you do anything other than write "return to sender - intended recipient not at this address" and place it back in your mail box you too are a felon and should be put in prison, denied phone access, and treated like an animal. That's what the codified law says anyway.

      None of this is cut and dry, and anybody trying to make it look that way is oversimplifying the issue.

    53. Re: a guard problem, too by Lesrahpem · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the sentiment.

      It was a state-run prison. That said, Ohio also has several corporate prisons. While state-run prisons (in Ohio; it's all I can speak to) aren't for profit their operations seem heavily influenced by for-profit prisons.

      • The prison would have "outside food" days every couple of months, where inmates could place orders to the restaurant of the month (say KFC or Burger King). The prices were marked up about 50%
      • The prison commissary would stock mostly food like what you might find at the convenience store (ramen, sardines, chips, beef sticks) but the prices were all marked up about 25%, even though the prison was buying in much higher bulk than most grocery stores.
      • The prison had a list of local stores inmates could buy craft or music supplies from (paint, guitars, whatever) but the prices were much higher than in-store pricing.

      That said, there are corporations that act as service providers to both private and government institutions. For example Secure Pak and JPay.

    54. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do give a shit.
      They engage in massive amounts of fear mongering and say "vote for me to lock em up!"
      They invent the problem and sell the ineffective solution.
      Politicians should be locked up when they fail. As that seems to be their favorite solution they should try it out.

    55. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US prison system is a recreation of hell on earth, as that's what many if not most of the US religious population is projecting.

      I can't deny that this is what has happened, but the mindset puzzles me. I don't understand why, after making a vicious beast out of your fellow human being, you would ever let him out. Hell is eternal, after all. And yet that is what we do: take common criminals, harden them into lifetime offenders, and then suddenly turn them out on the street with no way to support themselves - other than victimizing the public at large.

      Further confounding the issue is that the Bible point-blank forbids this type of behavior, and it does so clearly, unambiguously, and 100% literally. Romans 12:19 isn't exactly the most obscure passage either. But I guess it's too much to ask of a mere human to behave consistently with its professed beliefs.

    56. Re: a guard problem, too by zilym · · Score: 1

      I think you should be trying to rehabilitate everybody in any prison, but I am biased.

      Something tells me that is not a good idea. Do you think a lion or tiger can be rehabilitated from being a predator? Even if "successful," how sure can you be that they aren't going to pull a Siegfried & Roy on us once left to their own devices?

      On the flip side, are there people willing to work for low pay to facilitate such rehabilitation of dangerous criminals? I wouldn't want to be in there working with psychopaths and sociopaths that might be thinking out how best to kill me while I'm attempting to rehabilitate them. And I wouldn't wish to impose such a job upon anyone else either, even if they wanted to do it. For me, it is morally wrong to put innocent people in harm's way.

    57. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I'll tell you they charge .60 cents for a pack of Ramen, and for a Blue Baby like me, just to get an inexpensive thermal set to stay warm was almost 30 dollars. If I get cold I litterally turn blue due to reduced blood flow and oxygen, much less the other horrific symptoms. On the other side of the river in the next parish, I heard Ramen was over a dollar. That's over $120 for less than 2 cases that retail for about $10 to meagerly suppliment your meager caloric intake.

      Now you say, boo hoo Mr. criminal. But some poor saps when they're 6 foot tall don't consume the calories given with they're â3 hots" (and they are often not...that) without constantly being hungry. So now you're in a whole different mindset, being setup to look for a hustle (for food), instead of concentrating on important things like how to legally get out and why you're there.

      One mental patient was in lockdown over 60 days. Nicest guy, litterally give the shirt off his back, for a ramen, unless you were like me and then he'd not charge because he knew I was giving it to someone who truly needed it more. He was in for fighting with someone trying to take his dog, the one thing that gave him stabile comfort in his economocally depressed neighborhood where he'd been gifted a house.

      Another worse off man was thrown water at during harrassment, which stagnated at his door. So they cut off the water to hispetsl with his hour rec times suspended neglecting investigating what happened for over 5 days before I learned what happened and slid him some water through the tray slot periodically. So the only time he was issued fluids was about 6 ounces of possibly sour non-sweet tea for lunch and dinner and a 4 ounce juice or a small milk for breakfast.

        On my side of the river, I was in for 30 days on a failure to pay probation and they didnt even supply any under shirts or underwear. So you had to wear orange/striped uniforms that they often didnt even use detergent to wash, that only got washed twice a week. Fungus was an issue I had since I couldnt make store until they had it again five days later (I went in the night of the second store they have weekly) and the state soap would have broken me out causing a severe rash due to extremely sensitive skin. With only a thin matress and a rod in my back I'd of went nutty if I'd been scratching the whole month as well.

      Cant sleep, often hungry, threatened with violence without cause by the guards, and litterally MADE to suffer in numerous ways when most of the people in there have mental issues and/or only deal with society the only way they know how... In short, I could go on and on to inform you how truly barbaric prisoners are treated, seldom with humanity. If Peta had a clue, they'd forget the wild animals, and focus on the abused pets the for profit justice system and prison industrial complex are creating.

    58. Re: a guard problem, too by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      The fact is most inmates will be released at some point, and some might be your neighbor. Think about that. Do you want someone who has been treated like an animal living next door to you or preparing your food? Wouldn't you rather have the guy who's been educated in better living, learned a skilled trade, and encouraged to seek guidance from his family, friends, and pastor? After all, we're talking about people who mostly offended because they lacked those things in the first place.

      I'm not sure where you got this drift from my posting (or why anyone was thinking it was flamebait) I was purely talking about phones as a privilege, and the apparent mismanagement in your posting. If it is from the clarifying line that you're in prison because you deserve it and the implication that it is not supposed to be club med, well, I guess maybe I can understand that but it wasn't the core or even a secondary point of the post.

      If you don't care, just consider the next time you get a letter that isn't addressed to you. If you do anything other than write "return to sender - intended recipient not at this address" and place it back in your mail box you too are a felon and should be put in prison, denied phone access, and treated like an animal. That's what the codified law says anyway.

      I do care. There's a group that should be rehabilitated and released. And then there's those that cannot be rehabilitated. But, even more, I'd prefer to catch the former group prior to entering prison, and reduce costs (in all aspects, including to that group directly) overall. My personal opinion is that prison is overused.

      --
      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    59. Re: a guard problem, too by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      To me, the doctor who prescribed those opiates and subsequently cut him off should be the one on trial for harming his patient and destroying lives. Opiates and opioid addiction are not new to medical science, and any doctor that thinks that they could prescribe opioids without doing harm shouldn't be practicing.

      (to hell with karma, it's already tanking :)

      --
      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    60. Re: a guard problem, too by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      The rehabilitation track above is intended as a non-prison track. You've done wrong, but it's of a type (like drug possession) where no harm was intended and others weren't directly harmed.

      --
      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    61. Re: a guard problem, too by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      Damn right! And if you really need to commit violence, just get a job as an executor or a soldier, like proper citizens do.

    62. Re: a guard problem, too by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Look at your own stats and learn about statistics, you picked the outlier, Finland and Sweden who have very similar systems as Norway (they're neighbors after all) have equal and higher recidivism rates than the US. The UK is another outlier but on the other end of the spectrum.

      Analyze the statistic, the rest of the world has an average recidivism rate of ~37% and I know the prisons in European countries, even UK and the Netherlands are a lot cushier than the US. Within the US, the Federal prisons have a lower recidivism rate than State prisons.

      Then there is also analysis that says most of those statistics in the US are overblown because of faulty methods: http://journals.sagepub.com/do...

      --
      Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
    63. Re: a guard problem, too by guruevi · · Score: 1

      68%? Seriously, even the "worst" possible statistics within the US are ~50%. But overall population is ~37% which is pretty much on-par with the rest of the world: https://www.researchgate.net/p...

      --
      Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
    64. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not that elected officials don't grasp it. It is as you say, they don't give a shit, and neither do most people I talk to. Most people it seems are morons who never think of anything past their first instinct.

      I was speaking to a guy with an MS in Engineering about recidivism the other day and his response about the US's 67% recidivism rate was "build more prisons"/

      What a fucking loser.

    65. Re: a guard problem, too by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 2

      Well, first, the vast majority of people in prison are not predatory like that. That idea comes from television. Don't write off everyone else because of a relatively small number of 'predators'.

      In reality, most inmates will be released. Let's start from that simple reality. Isn't it better to provide socialization and occupational rehabilitation to prevent recidivism where we can? They're coming out ANYWAY. Sure, you will miss some bad guys who will immediately go wrong. We'll still come out better in the end.

      Second, all recidivism is expensive. Any training that enables former inmates to achieve financial stability (you know, legally) upon release pays huge dividends in terms of reduced social and financial costs associated with incarceration.

      Even for people who are never going to come out, if you can get them socially rehabilitated to the point that they can be moved to lower security level facilities we save money because high security is much more expensive than low security.

      And yes, there are tons of people/organizations that would LOVE to be allowed to go in and provide these kinds of services.

    66. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you're an inhuman asshat that needs to be locked up yourself.

    67. Re: a guard problem, too by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      The real problem here is using prisons as a source of profit, one part of which is the excessive cost of making phone calls. Lower the costs and much of the problem will go away,

      The experiment has been done. It doesn't work. Large numbers of phones will be smuggled in to prisons to allow the continued running of "criminal enterprises" from inside the prison. This was a problem long before there were such things as mobile phones - suborned guards would smuggle letters and notes into and out of prisons between people inside and their businesses outside.

      --
      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
    68. Re: a guard problem, too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Further confounding the issue is that the Bible point-blank forbids this type of behavior, and it does so clearly, unambiguously, and 100% literally. Romans 12:19 isn't exactly the most obscure passage either. But I guess it's too much to ask of a mere human to behave consistently with its professed beliefs.

      The bible contains a litany of contradictory behaviors. Do you stone your neighbor for working 7 days in a row, admittedly softened in the fourth commandment, or do you honor the 6th commandment, thou shalt not kill? The bible is at best a collection of folklore gathered over time to control the "flock" and keep society civil. It's pre-historical need has been more than outlived.

  2. We're jamming by bestweasel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The only thing that will stop this is jamming the signal in prisons and that will need to be under federal control seeing as it's the staff who smuggle most of the phones in.

    1. Re:We're jamming by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Another way would be to pass legislation to require carriers to block prison locations from connecting to the towers, with a whitelist of IMEIs for prison staff.

    2. Re:We're jamming by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Even better would be to pipe all traffic through monitoring systems - and radio seal the whole prison so that phones will only roam to the base stations inside the prison.

      Any calls made would be incriminating for the receiver. Text messages should be scrambled or reviewed and thrown through autocorrecters and "talk like Yoda" to mess up any covert stuff.

      --
      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    3. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another way would be to pass legislation to require carriers to block prison locations from connecting to the towers, with a whitelist of IMEIs for prison staff.

      First, the prison staff are the ones providing the cell phones.
      Second, prisons staff have radios, they don't need special accommodation for cell phones.

      The outrage should be at $15/2 minute for calls. Lets just execute people for jay walking, enforce it on cops, politicians and their families, and skip the middle ground entirely.

    4. Re:We're jamming by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 2

      Love the "talk like Yoda" idea! "Whacked, $RIVAL_GANG_MEMBER must be."

    5. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any calls made would be incriminating for the receiver.

      "im in ur prizn sextin ur gf"

      -spoofed from an overseas call center

    6. Re:We're jamming by Suki+I · · Score: 1

      And in a short decade or two, we will "discover" the same prisoners who run gangs from cell phones in prison now are on that whitelist too.

    7. Re:We're jamming by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      Jam?! Way too much overkill. Just take a stroll through the scenic grounds of the prison with a laptop with Kismet.

      You'll find plenty of phones of folks who never turn their Wifi/WLAN off.

      --
      Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
    8. Re:We're jamming by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 1

      I'm with you on the expensive calls--it is an outrage. As far as the staff, the whitelisted IMEIs could be monitored. It shouldn't be hard for the government to figure out the difference between a guard checking in with the wife and the local drug lord ordering hits. Staff could be required to consent to monitoring as a condition of employment.

    9. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      or just reduce the demand a little, by requiring inmate payphones to cost the *same* to use as a payphone (yes, they do exist) at a truckstop or highway rest area.

    10. Re:We're jamming by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 1

      The whitelisted IMEIs could be subject to monitoring. Traffic patterns would differ between COs calling home and gang leaders running operations. The NSA has this down--there could be a little technology transfer.

    11. Re:We're jamming by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 1

      P.S.: Or prisons could just become cell-free zones. Radios could be used to communicate internally and landlines externally. This is not a hard problem to solve should the government have the will.

    12. Re:We're jamming by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Even better would be to pipe all traffic through monitoring systems - and radio seal the whole prison so that phones will only roam to the base stations inside the prison.

      Any calls made would be incriminating for the receiver. Text messages should be scrambled or reviewed and thrown through autocorrecters and "talk like Yoda" to mess up any covert stuff.

      Just what we need, IT contracts for prisons so that we can waste even more taxpayer dollars on them. I have a better solution to this. Take all the extreme law offenders and drop them on a deserted island with nothing including cell phones or cell phone service. Low tax cost and it reduces the prison population. Or you could threaten the inmates with this. Keep your shit up and you're all going to the island.

      --
      We'll make great pets
    13. Re:We're jamming by Suki+I · · Score: 1

      A whitelist, by its very nature, is monitored. Same goes for prisoners. Somehow that perfect plan isn't working out so well.

    14. Re:We're jamming by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 1

      Because it hasn't been implemented. This is quite soluble.

    15. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would also be trivial to implement, from a technical standpoint.

    16. Re: We're jamming by DaMattster · · Score: 1

      Apparently you're not a student of history. Prison colonies have been done before, and magically, the problem has not been solved. Any more brilliant ideas, Sherlock?

    17. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's one sensible solution. But IMEI's can be copied.

      The other solution is do analytics on the confiscated phones - who bought them, who bought the sim, when and where were they first detected/activated. Depending which guards are on duty - the relationships can be traced. It would be nice to see the guards punished - which can be done YEARS down the track, even 3 years ago. Right down to DVR security recordings of phone stores fingering the guard.

      The other way is to use a junction and tuned circuit detector that will detect any phones even if switched off and in pieces
      Anything with a transistor in it will light up. Maybe the FBI/CIA don't want these devices loaned to law enforcement.
      Bug detectors is what they were once called now junction witching.

      In both cases reduce the demand by having common mobile phones in share booths - as illegal fixed line scalping for profit is morally reprehensible in for profit prisons. We know the hardened crims will probably have mobiles anyway.

    18. Re: We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's been my thought for years, deserted island is great. If there is no wildlife then we air drop food and maybe water but that's it. Some go fast patrolling, armed drones to protect the air space has a cost but nowhere near the $ of a physical prison

    19. Re: We're jamming by DaMattster · · Score: 1

      This works until the prison bartering and bribery system catches up. Prison guards can be bribed to have certain "favors" done. The bottom line is that there is no perfect solution. The best possible solution is take the profit out of prison operation.

    20. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prison staff shouldn't be using personal cell phones at work. They have radios and their families could contact the main office to reach them in an emergency.

    21. Re:We're jamming by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

      Just what we need, IT contracts for prisons so that we can waste even more taxpayer dollars on them. I have a better solution to this. Take all the extreme law offenders and drop them on a deserted island with nothing including cell phones or cell phone service. Low tax cost and it reduces the prison population. Or you could threaten the inmates with this. Keep your shit up and you're all going to the island.

      So your solution to wasting taxpayer dollars is to bring back Devil's Island. Why not just execute them?

    22. Re:We're jamming by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

      And in a short decade or two, we will "discover" the same prisoners who run gangs from cell phones in prison now are on that whitelist too.

      If each whitelisted IMEI is tied to a guard's name, somebody would have some 'splainin' to do. A more likely scenario would be that guards would loan out their phones for short term calls. The only way to combat that would be to monitor all whitelisted calls, and I can just guess how the contract negotiations over that would go.

    23. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another way would be to pass legislation to require carriers to block prison locations from connecting to the towers, with a whitelist of IMEIs for prison staff.

      Staff is part of the problem. They don't need cellphones.

    24. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not hard but expensive, for the same reason the prison calls are.

    25. Re: We're jamming by John+Jorsett · · Score: 5, Informative

      This works until the prison bartering and bribery system catches up. Prison guards can be bribed to have certain "favors" done. The bottom line is that there is no perfect solution. The best possible solution is take the profit out of prison operation.

      Prisoners housed in for-profit (i.e. private) prisons are in the neighborhood of 8% of the prison population. I think you must be confusing profit with government's efforts to reduce prison costs, like the aforementioned expensive phone calls. I know my state of California isn't cutting a fat hog with income from prisons; it costs the state many billions per year to run the system.

    26. Re:We're jamming by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      The explanation is simple. His wife told him a man told her it's better for her health and that of his kids if he lets the kingpin use the cellphone.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    27. Re:We're jamming by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So you catch a few idiots, then they get wiser.

      Prisoners are to wardens what kids are to their parents: People with WAY more time at their hands and WAY more criminal energy to thwart whatever scheme you can come up with to reign them in. And no conscience keeping them from using it against you.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    28. Re:We're jamming by Suki+I · · Score: 1

      Yes, the nice man wrongly incarcerated who just needs to talk to his grandma.

    29. Re:We're jamming by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Me? I didn't tell nobody to do anything like that? He asked if I want to call my mommy and I said sure, who wouldn't wanna talk to his mommy? I thought he's nice to me 'cause I have such a perfect behaviour record.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    30. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Of the 4 prisons I know of in my area, they are near towns, downtown, next to a major shopping mall and near dowtown, 3 near state routes/highway with 10k+ traffic a day, and one os in a side of a hill near s trail area below. The one you where might get away with cell tower whitelisting, if's close enoigh to an urban center that you could just signal boost to another antenna.

      Your idea might work if the prison is really isolated. Or if you are intent with blocking calls from scrambled gps locations or lack of signals from just booted or unclear locationed phones, which would stifle emergency calls.

      This is one of those solutions that sounds good and easy, but is limited in practicality, too easily circumvented, or the solution introduces costs and new problems beyond what it was supposed to originally solve. You'll see moving whitelists, time based attacks, and cloning suddenly jumpmthat the state wkn't be able tk hire the experts tomtrudge through the data or they'll be months to years behind, esp after the next budget cut that inevitably comes.

    31. Re: We're jamming by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Apparently you're not a student of history. Prison colonies have been done before, and magically, the problem has not been solved. Any more brilliant ideas, Sherlock?

      What problem are you thinking they tried to solve?

      An island is a very cost-effective method of incarceration. And it suits the primary goal of a prison: keep that idiot away from everybody else.

      Unless you think the goal was "eugenically breed out criminal genes from the population" then your statement is completely stupid.

      We don't use them because the islands are more valuable now, and the ideas about caring for prisoners have changed from what they were.

    32. Re:We're jamming by jenningsthecat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Another way would be to pass legislation to require carriers to block prison locations from connecting to the towers, with a whitelist of IMEIs for prison staff.

      Yet another way, (not to stop it so much as to make it less prevalent), would be to do away with the ridiculous, self-serving, and frankly lazy practice of private for-profit prisons. Fifteen bucks for a two-minute phone call? That's just fucking outrageous! At the root of all of this, is the undeniable fact that when you turn prisons into a profit centre, capitalism will guarantee that their population is ever-increasing; and if some, (or many), of those people don't belong there, well, that's just the price of 'progress' and 'security'.

      Of course, maintaining this unfair and untenable situation is made much easier by the fact that the majority of the population is self-righteously happy with punishing those convicted of crimes, and doesn't care in the least about rehabilitating them.

      --
      'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
    33. Re: We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently you're not a student of history. Prison colonies have been done before, and magically, the problem has not been solved. Any more brilliant ideas, Sherlock?

      Yep! Violent Criminal - shoot them in the head. Problem solved.

    34. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. Put a base station in the prison, block sms and data. Monitor everyone, including the guards and other prison staff.
      No white lists. That way there won't be any bribing to get on it.
      Wanna talk to your slut? Do it after work.

    35. Re:We're jamming by hord · · Score: 2

      Because we are supposed to have higher morals. Ostracism is regarded as the ultimate moral punishment since it deprives the ostracized of easy or community access to life resources while not condemning them to death outright. It also allows for the possibility of reconciliation over time. The Greek's called it "exile".

      By executing people, you are saying outright that you are willing to use murder as a way of negotiating complex problems. Whether you consider this just or not, other's can and will use this same logic against you.

    36. Re:We're jamming by arobatino · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Reducing the cost of using the prison phones to a reasonable amount would help.

    37. Re: We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use the dry valleys in Antarctica.

    38. Re: We're jamming by Quzak · · Score: 1

      Yea, that is how we got stuck with those idiots in Australia.

      --
      Support your local school shooter, give them your firearms.
    39. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that the inmates need to be supervised while they are on the phone and that the calls need to be monitored, $7.50 per minute seems expensive, but not outrageously so. It's cheaper than a call to an Inmarsat satellite phone.

    40. Re: We're jamming by itsenrique · · Score: 1

      You do realize, this is loosely how they made Australia. The U.S. was a dumping ground for incorriagiables as well, but we don't talk about that much.

    41. Re: We're jamming by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Same in Nevada, I know first hand. And the only thing that is privatized is the store(commissary).

    42. Re:We're jamming by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      a guard checking in with the wife

      He can very well do this with the prison PBX

    43. Re: We're jamming by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      An island is a very cost-effective method of incarceration.

      Alcatraz was closed because of excessive costs.

      And it suits the primary goal of a prison: keep that idiot away from everybody else.

      Most inmates are convicted of non-violent offenses, and are not a physical threat to other people.

    44. Re: We're jamming by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      We don't use them because the islands are more valuable now, and the ideas about caring for prisoners have changed from what they were.

      Musk needs "volunteers" for Mars missions.

      --
      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    45. Re:We're jamming by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Another way would be to pass legislation to require carriers to block prison locations from connecting to the towers

      How do you determine whether a phone is in a "prison location"?

      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    46. Re: We're jamming by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      I think you must not know how profit is made in the prison system. It isn't done the way you think it is I assure you. For every prisoner incarcerated they get funding. The more funding the more room for embezzlement. Ka-ching. The more prisoners, the more who buy Ramen soup that cost 18 cents at the store for $1.12 each. Ka-ching! More prisoners equals more drug (and cell phone, et. Al.) smuggling. Ka-ching! The more prisoners, the more need to order food, and that means more to take home to momma. Ka-ching! Your belief that the people running the prison are law abiding is where your error in the analysis occurred.

      --
      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    47. Re:We're jamming by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Jones Islands would be a great spot then.

      --
      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    48. Re: We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not the worst idea, if it's coupled with a perfect form of determining actual guilt. No court system in the world is all that reliable, though.

    49. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any calls made would be incriminating for the receiver.

      Not while the police themselves are abusing cellular networks and sneaking about with stingrays. If they've got the technology and it hasn't been prevented at the network level, then so do other organized criminal groups.

    50. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a better solution to this. Take all the extreme law offenders and drop them on a deserted island.

      You realize that's exactly how Australia eventually became a sovereign state...right?!?

    51. Re: We're jamming by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 1

      Well, we're not very good at figuring out who is guilty and who isn't, so you're going to be shooting at least some innocent people. See the Innocence Project as background.

      Also, violent criminals who think they are candidates for this are less likely to surrender peacefully, so we can look forward to more shootouts and hostage situations (in prison this is referred to as "holding court right out in the street"). Additionally, it makes less sense to leave witnesses alive so we'll have fewer surviving victims of crime.

      While this would certainly deter some criminals, there are some police who are going to see this as a tool to get rid of some of those stinking $ETHNICITY, so that sucks.

      How we treat our offenders is a better indicator of our natures than of our offenders' natures.

    52. Re:We're jamming by Solandri · · Score: 1

      lazy practice of private for-profit prisons. Fifteen bucks for a two-minute phone call? That's just fucking outrageous!

      Ah, you weren't around before the breakup of Bell Telephone, were you? A five minute call between New York and Los Angeles used to cost $2.16 in 1975 (page 280). More than $10 in 2017 dollars. Those were the days... not.

      The problem isn't for-profit prisons, nor capitalism, nor a host of other things being mentioned. The problem is simply that the prison phone system is a monopoly - there is no competition for providing phone calls to prisoners. Since it's a monopoly, the prison can charge whatever they want. It would be no different for a state-run prison - the cable and local phone / Internet monopolies we currently live under are all courtesy of the government. They are monopolies granted by the local government.

      Cell phones allow prisoners to bypass that monopoly.

    53. Re:We're jamming by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 1

      In the jails and prisons I was in, the money for the call goes to an outside vendor, not the facility.

      Monitoring the prisoners call was done by the facility staff, not the vendor. Staff were expected to listen to (well, check in on), I think, four hours of telephone conversations during their 8 hour shift. They could fast forward through dull parts. there were only a couple of phones on each unit, so there was easily enough guard-hours to listen to everything a couple of times over. Not that many of the guards took this duty seriously.

    54. Re:We're jamming by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 1

      I suspect the Bureau of Prisons and the equivalent state and local authorities would have no problems providing GIS compatible boundaries of their facilities.

    55. Re: We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since I happen to know your assertions are 100% false, I'm just going to say "citation needed".

      You do realize that the phone calls are all handled by for-profit companies which get to keep the profits? You are either lying or you fell for some really naked propaganda and are now spreading it without verifying it like an idiot.

    56. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even better would be...

      ...to change government policy from a pro- smuggling position, where they are signing contracts to encourage prisoners to get cellphones...

      Cellphones are prized because they allow inmates to avoid privatized jailhouse phone and visitation services that charge up to $15 for a two-minute call home to friends and family.

      ...to an anti- smuggling position, where the contract is just for $10 per line per month (or whatever the lowest bidder charges), and the prisoners can use the prison's own phones.

    57. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, no, the "Greek's" called it ... "ostracism."

    58. Re:We're jamming by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Luckily, it is actually far more profitable for a person to be on the outside and working, So capitalism guarantees that prison populations will drain out into the general populace and get jobs. I am sure that will start any day now.

      --
      Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
    59. Re:We're jamming by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      And then?

      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    60. Re:We're jamming by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      So what are you proposing that the prisons hired the telecom corporation for? To physically install the phones and wires and provide the service? So just what Bell will do for 1/1000th of the fee?

      --
      Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
    61. Re: We're jamming by SEE · · Score: 1

      Most inmates are convicted of non-violent offenses, and are not a physical threat to other people

      Not true. 54% of persons incarcerated in the US are there for violent crimes. A number of the rest are in there for things like drunk driving, which may not be a violent crime, but certainly presents a physical threat to other people.

    62. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... require carriers to block prison locations from connecting to the towers ...

      Just what technology allows for a tightly-geographically-defined block-zone inside a cell tower's reach? (One that doesn't block stuff just outside the prison walls.) This sounds like a politician's pixie-dust solution,

    63. Re: We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's good. Because you just got a new roommate. Enjoy.

    64. Re: We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What "problem" are you talking about? Protecting the law abiding 99% from the parasitic, criminal 1%?

      Freedom of NON-association is the most fundamental of all human rights, which almost all humans are being denied at the present moment. Who in their right mind would choose to live anywhere there are criminals, if they could CHOOSE to live only with law abiding people, and thus never have to lock their doors, never have to worry about their loved ones being assaulted, injured or killed by dangerous drivers, etc.etc.? The law abiding majority are FORCED to live with criminals among us, and worse still, we are FORCED to work extra hours every week to PAY for those criminals to live without working. Most criminals don't have (legal) jobs. Most criminals aren't homeless. So we are paying for their houses, their food, their clothes, and also for the schools for their soon to be cirminal offspring, whom they abuse, which is how criminals are made.

      Increase prison sentences to such a length that it is no longer cost effective to engage in crime. Those who continue to engage in crime will soon be caught, because there will be far fewer crimes committed, due to the deterrence of incredibly long prison sentences. Those who are imprisoned will no longer be able to reproduce, and abuse their children, thus ending crime forever.

      I'm sure you'll tell me that this will never work, with a look of terror on your face, because you can't actually THINK for yourself. It has never been tried, and I guarantee it will work. Most people agree with me, not with you.

    65. Re: We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear, hear. "not a physical threat to other people" - so you're saying that crimes that don't involve a physical threat to other people are not crimes? That we should welcome them, and want them to happen to us every day?

    66. Re: We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "How we treat our offenders is a better indicator of our natures than of our offenders' natures." LOL.

      Whether we stop CRIMINALS (I love your use of the word "offenders" to try to hide reality, there's a surprise...) from having children, which they ABUSE and turn into new criminals, is the best indicator of our nature. Did you think about them? The children who are born into families of violent, criminal scum, who abuse them on a daily basis. Of course you didn't think about them, you're too busy trying to make out that up is down, and black is white, and criminals are 'victims'...

      "we're not very good at figuring out who is guilty and who isn't"
      Really? How about freedom of non-association then - I can assure you that MOST people know who is good and who is bad, and who they don't want to live around. Currently, the law abiding majority are being permanently punished by being FORCED to live around the criminal minority, who ruin our lives. Thanks for that - you must feel like a really good person! Pat yourself on the back, you hero.

    67. Re:We're jamming by blindseer · · Score: 1

      At the root of all of this, is the undeniable fact that when you turn prisons into a profit centre, capitalism will guarantee that their population is ever-increasing; and if some, (or many), of those people don't belong there, well, that's just the price of 'progress' and 'security'.

      So, how does "capitalism" guarantee the prison population increases?

      There are a lot of steps to get a person in prison, and for "capitalism" to be the motivator then the people on every step would have to get a cut of the profit. While plea deals are pretty common it's not like we've done away with the jury trial. Are juries paid for convictions? I guess police are paid to arrest people, that's part of the job description. Unless they get paid extra for people getting to prison then what's their motivation to arrest people that don't belong there?

      I'm not saying private prisons are a good idea. I think private prisons are a very bad idea. I just don't see how the profit from a private prison brings about more prisoners.

      Are people getting paid to break the law?

      --
      I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
    68. Re:We're jamming by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      The Greek's called it "exile".

      Yes... I'm well aware of this. You're saying the Ancient Greek method of doing this was not effective? You see, in Ancient Greece, the concept of being a citizen of a country was not taken for granted. That's why the punishment was considered relatively harsh. People these days don't place the same value and responsibility on being a citizen. It's taken for granted.

      --
      We'll make great pets
    69. Re:We're jamming by hord · · Score: 1

      I'm saying it was very effective. I just mentioned it because the concept isn't new and pointed to the Greeks as an implementer of the idea. They also put people to death like we do. Socrates was ordered to ingest hemlock by Athenian vote, if memory serves.

      The thing is you don't have to be a citizen of any polis for this to be effective. Humans are tribal by nature because we can specialize to add benefit to the entire group. Ostracism is very effective because none of these specializations allow you to prosper as an individual. The burden of self-sufficiency is pretty extreme in nature. Even animals rely on pack behavior and interactions with other species as a survival mechanism.

      Arguably it would have been easier to ostracize in ancient times due to lower populations and the idea that borders were basically infinite. I think it is still an interesting strategy. We basically ostracize by putting people into prison, but this is an internal ostracism that we must guard and thus expend resources on. Outward ostracism requires a border defense which you already have anyway.

    70. Re:We're jamming by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 1

      Yep, that's about it. The prison has to seek a vendor for the service so they solicit quotes and get a vendor. Because the vendor has to perform maintenance on the physical equipment (although just TRY to get a broken phone fixed!), they have to have staff willing and able to enter the prison, generally in the presence of the inmates. I suspect this is the main reason that the local phone company is never the provider.

    71. Re:We're jamming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just pick an existing already built up island? I know! Nobody will miss New York. We can just block all the bridges and then drop the prisoners there.
      As long as we keep Air Force One and Kurt Russel out all our problems will be solved.

    72. Re:We're jamming by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      mmmh ... leaving out personal experience ....
      there's only one way that gets in there, and it's up yo momma's ass (is this lameness filter again ?)
      which means technically, allow me to explain the futility of your excellent solutions to the cellphone problem
      the ones who would be powerful enough to get those things inside via via via
      can simply make a phonecall through a guards phone if there's none available
      its a bit strange to see this here in 2017
      back in the day when the world was young about 15 years ago when i did my six months (well you gotta have a bit of everything right) after the only choice left left me with no choice but thats irrelevant
      there was guy there with cellphones (far from america okay) one guy one time simply used it in the open during the "walk" you get one in winter, two in summer otherwise you spend 23 or 24 hours inside your cell here
      out in the open, a guard came up and he just threw it to bits on the concrete
      week later had a new one
      i'm talking 2005 so if in the massive american corporate prison system (its a business like any other, there right) someone has just noticed ... 12 years later ?
      that theres phones in jail ?
      can i just say
      ??!?

      --
      Free speech was meant to be free for all... how can anyone grow up in a nanny state ?
    73. Re:We're jamming by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 1

      And then phones in those areas are blocked at the tower level. I thought that was self evident, sorry.

    74. Re:We're jamming by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      How does the tower know whether a phone is inside or outside one of these boundaries?

      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
  3. Summary wacky parser out of control . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    Cellphones smuggled into prisons -- enabling inmates to order murders, plan escapes, deal drugs and extort money -- have become a scourge in a bloc of states where corrections officers anally confiscate as many as one for every three inmates.

    n/t

    "Inmates call their mothers like most of us do on holidays"

    Call their mothers what . . . ? And what do inmates say about the Mamas of other inmates . . . ?

    Meth rings operated by prisoners with cellphones, some with ties to prison gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood, the Irish Mob Gang and the United Blood Nation

    Ok, Aryan Brotherhood . . . probably some folks who have no fucking clue about what Hitler, Goebbels and their retinue were squawking about.

    Irish Mob Gang: Isn't that title kinda a sorta reduntant . . . ?

    "We called our first operation, "The Gang" . . . however, we have now upgraded ourselves to be a "Mob Gang"

    The "United Blood Nation": a friend of mine has O+ and donates regularly. Can she apply do be a member . . . ? She told me that she doesn't donate to help other folks, but feels healthier after donating blood. Apparently, the folks who run blood banks love to have folks with blood type O+ waltz in.

    "Georgia inmates used phones to take photos of themselves tying up or beating other prisoners, then texted the horrifying images to the victim's family and demanded cash.

    Wasn't that what all the fuss about the book and business model, of "The Many Shades of Grey" was all about . . . ?

    --
    Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
  4. Pizza by Suki+I · · Score: 1

    So long as they are not ordering pizza an Pepsi with those phones, all should be well.

    1. Re:Pizza by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would make a great prank on a pizza store "Hi. I'm looking to order a pizza. "Sure, what size of pizza, pastry and topping do you want?" "Make it three large pizza's regular Italian, and we''ll have the Vegetarian, Spicy Meat Max and the Blazin' Inferno. We're have a party tonight" "And your address?" "Cell 14, D Block, Randomville County Jail. Just tell them there's a delivery for 'Knuckles'."

    2. Re:Pizza by PPH · · Score: 1

      Tasty meals delivered piping hot!

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
  5. Re:We're jamming (URL to appropriate jammer) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A few of these and problem solved:

    PRO45 High power mobile phone jammer

    https://www.jammer-store.com/pro45-high-power-jammer.html

    "PRO-45 is one of the most powerful cell phone jammers which are currently presented on the market. With 45W of output power this blocker is able to disable all GSM, 3G, CDMA, 4G, GPS, Lojack, WIFI, GPS etc. frequencies in the radius up to 150 meters. It mainly used for the areas where the wide radius needs to be protected against usage of mobile phones.

    It can be used indoors, for example to block the cell phone signal in the churches, museums, movie theatres and other crowded places where the usage of mobile phone is prohibited. You can also use this jammer during the important conference in a meeting room to avoid the leakage of secure information. This unit will be irreplaceable in places where it is extremely important to keep the silence – in classrooms during the exams, courts, hospitals, banks, recording studios etc.

    If you want to disable the usage of mobile phones outdoors this jammer will be the perfect solution as well. We have a lot of customers worldwide who are looking for the best jamming solution to use it in prisons, customs, and military units, for border control and drug enforcement – PRO-45 is the right choice for these purposes.

    This unit can be also used to protect your vehicle or convoy. With the unique set of antennas which can be chosen during the checkout process, you will be able to take out these antennas and put them outside of your car or escort car thus increase the jamming radius. "

  6. 15$ for a phone call is a true crime here. by Swistak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is what you get when you privatize prison system.

    and in case you haven't heard yet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    1. Re:15$ for a phone call is a true crime here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      his is what you get when you privatize prison system.

      The problem is almost all aspects of US society are privatized, and the Republicans are busy trying to privatize the rest. Nobody gives a shit how effective these things are, or if they are doing a better job ... as long as some asshole company is making profits, the people who are impacted can fuck off.

      Schools, healthcare, prisons, utilities ... America is reduced to nothing but idiots claiming lassez faire capitalism will save us all, when even Adam Smith didn't believe in laissez faire Capitalism.

      Americans are being robbed blind to prop up corporate profits, and they're being allowed to do this by governments which are there only to advance the interest of corporate profits.

      Go ahead, build that wall, and then shut up, fuck off, and leave the rest of the world in peace from your bullshit.

    2. Re:15$ for a phone call is a true crime here. by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

      This is what you get when you privatize prison system. and in case you haven't heard yet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      According to, ahem, Wikipedia, private prisons house about 8% of the prison population.

    3. Re:15$ for a phone call is a true crime here. by schleimkeim · · Score: 2

      being robbed blind

      No they're not. They are robbed in the most obvious ways and they still eat it up since the 1950s.

  7. Re: We're jamming (URL to appropriate jammer) by dnaumov · · Score: 2

    Jamming communications that allow contacting emergency services lands you straight in federal prison.

  8. Stingray by Suki+I · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe not exactly the right tool, but something in that category. For some reason, the government can't figure out how to use Stingray properly and have a host of circuit court rulings against them.

    In a prison, the cell phones of prisoners are contraband. A Stingray like device could be used for intercepting those and figuring out the rest of the criminal enterprises.

    The BOP could also make cell phones contraband for the staff too, and solve a whole sorting problem.

    1. Re:Stingray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure why you are only modded to 3, but heck yes - if Stingray can be used on every-day citizens, why the hell not set one up in a prison, monitor all their calls and, as usual, profit!

  9. Battery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What has me curious is how do they charge the cell phones?

    1. Re: Battery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a charger. In our county jail some dudes hid a phone with charging cable tied to the flat screen wall mount in the common area, using the jails own "smart" TV to power a contraband phone

    2. Re: Battery? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      In prisons, All cells have atleast one receptacle, and for the smarter ones, we can get around the "safety" screws on the lights and can pull power directly from there... TV's are allowed in prisons(for a hefty sum of money) and they need to be powered... The electricity part is no issue at all for most of the people. Hell I learned how to make a lighter with a pencil toilet paper and a receptacle while i was in prison.. Also I'm an electrician, so I guess that probably helped.

    3. Re:Battery? by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 1

      This is simplicity itself. In most prisons and jails every cell has a light fixture and generally on outlet. There's your source. When I was a Federal Low, we had a charging station for the mp3 players they sold us on the Comissary. It used a USB micro, same as the phone I have now.

    4. Re:Battery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is simplicity itself. In most prisons and jails every cell has a light fixture and generally on outlet. There's your source. When I was a Federal Low, we had a charging station for the mp3 players they sold us on the Comissary. It used a USB micro, same as the phone I have now.

      Maybe part of the reason Maine has less prisoners than Louisiana has to do with it having less criminals to start with?

  10. What about jammers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of spending all that time and effort on finding the cell phones, why not just jam the entire prison for GSM+ signals?
    The guards working there shouldnt be talking on a cell phone, much less carry it with them inside. And if people REALLY needed to use a cell phone, a special room with a forwarder to a location far enough outside the prison would suffice.

    This is just stupid.

  11. consider re: the war on drugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This issue and the problem with drugs in prison demonstrate the futility of the current prohibition war on drugs. If we can't keep prohibited goods out of the hands of people in prison, what hope do we have of keeping them out of the hands of the public at large?

    It's been said a million times already, but the solution, inasmuch as there is one, lies in education and treatment.

    More directly on this topic, prisons should give inmates a fairly "generous" allotment of time to use on the proper phones and not charge so much at a minimum. I think it's been pretty well proven that inmates that are more engaged with their loved ones outside are far less likely to cause trouble in the prison. So if they allowed them more free/cheap access to those phones, there would be way less demand from the prisoners that simply want the phone to talk to friends/family which would make for less profits for the smugglers.

  12. One word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stingray.

    1. Re: One word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All calls from inside the prison get forwarded to a dept of corrections answer phone.

    2. Re: One word by PPH · · Score: 1

      All calls from within the prison* get traced and monitored. Info on your buddies on the outside gets handed over to the authorities for enforcement action as needed.

      *One could whitelist prison officials phones. But I wouldn't exclude them completely, as a number of guards have been involved in weapons and drug smuggling.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
  13. Amazon Drone Delivery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very popular in prison. lol.

  14. Possible Solution by ytene · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Over the years I've read various discussions concerning the problems caused by use of mobile phones in certain areas - for example within a cinema or theatre. Suggestions for remedies have included, for example, extending the cell phone standard to allow a "local suppressor signal", which could be generated by a licensed and restricted-access transmitter, and which would then need to be respected by handset OS providers.

    I think the complexity of implementation prohibited further development...

    However, there is a much simpler approach that could be of specific relevance to prisons, since these are, by their very nature, often "stand-alone" structures, kept well away from other buildings. The solution would involve placing multiple local cell towers at the periphery of the prison grounds, and have them provide a strong, healthy signal in the area. This would force all local handsets to handshake with one of these local towers.

    Except these would be special towers, with the ability for the prison officers to use triangulation to determine the location of the handset. If there was a suggestion that a handset requesting access to the tower was physically within the area of the prison, then the handset could be blocked from accessing the cell network. Since the local towers would know the ID of the handset, it could simultaneously be sent a simple SMS message explaining why access had been blocked [as a courtesy to innocent passers-by, so they would know it wasn't a general reception problem]. This technique could easily be modified to permit guards to use their handsets in appropriate areas [such as a canteen]. Obviously, for security reasons, you would not want to permit guards to walk around inside a prison with a cell-phone [because a bribed guard could easily give an inmate access].

    When enough towers are available, triangulation of handsets is both reliable and accurate, so not only could it be used to block use of handsets by inmates, it could in theory be used to determine the physical location of handsets to an area of the prison of no more than a few cells. If that could then be coupled with local hand-held scanners, locating and confiscating illegal handsets might become quite a lot easier.

    1. Re:Possible Solution by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      It's actually not difficult to man-in-the-middle cell phones in this manner. Law enforcement already has and uses the tools required.

      A much simpler solution would be to put four or more mini towers around the prison, using highly directional antennas aimed at the ground on the far side of the facility. Cells will use the strongest available signal by design, so any call from within the facility will go through your logged and recorded lines (and cell towers can already be used to do triangulation, you'd probably just improve the automated reporting a bit).

      Then you can do things like white list your employee's phones - with them understanding that all use will be recorded and logged, so taking a bribe to share with an inmate is a bad idea.

      Still, you won't have solved the problem, because if a phone can be smuggled in, it can be smuggled out... so you could still get a phone, take some photos, record a video, and then get it out to your friend on the outside who would send the media (and threats / communications) to the ultimate recipient. You'd be slowing them down, not stopping them.

    2. Re:Possible Solution by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Cinemas aren't likely to be able to setup a jammer which doesn't have an effect outside the theatre - if they were serious about blocking signal they'd build a faraday cage.

      Jails could also just setup stingrays and intercept all devices....

    3. Re:Possible Solution by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      so that SMS will be changed to people who just drive by who don't have an texting plan?? turning it in a toll road for some.

    4. Re:Possible Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the tower would send you an SMS directly there would be no cost incurred. It is only for transit that you have to pay (sender and receiver, or only sender, or very rarely only receiver, depending on the country).

    5. Re:Possible Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      never heard of a faraday cage I gather? It is actually pretty easy to create a field and shield that is localised to something like a theatre building. stingrays or a fake tower are probably better answers.

    6. Re:Possible Solution by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 1

      I think the complexity of implementation prohibited further development...

      Interference with radio signals is also prohibited by federal law, and as a result there isn't a huge market for them in the US.

      https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...

      https://www.fcc.gov/general/ja...

      --
      Real lawyers write in C++
    7. Re:Possible Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so that SMS will be changed to people who just drive by who don't have an texting plan??

      A texting plan? What century do you people live in? Or perhaps a better question in which uncivilized country?

    8. Re:Possible Solution by Luthair · · Score: 1

      What? I literally said they could use a faraday cage because they couldn't use a jammer. One wonders about your technical acumen in general since you apparently consider a faraday cage a jammer.

  15. Or maybe ... by Torton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or maybe put less people in prison? As a European I can not suppress the impression that the US is using its prison system as a giant rug under which to hide some structural problems in its society. Alas, I see the same tendency here in some political parties, so it is probably only a matter of time ... but one may hope as long as one can vote.

    1. Re:Or maybe ... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not being used to hide structural problems. It's being used to perpetuate them. See, the only way to remove voting rights from someone in the US in a permanent way is to convict them of a crime. Criminals also can get hired by private companies at essentially slave wages. Then, those prisons are run by other private corporations, who get paid by the state to house their slave labor they then rent out. They then funnel some of their profits as campaign contributions to the politicians who enable the system.

      Further, you should look at how fines work in the US. We fine people for needing to pay fines over time. We remove people's drivers licenses because they owe money, and then fine them for driving without a license (usually in states where there aren't other options to get to/from work, etc.)

      It's a super fucked up system. Kafka would be proud.

      --
      Your ad here. Ask me how!
    2. Re:Or maybe ... by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The system has a lot of problems, but your explanation is questionable too.

      You *really* think we're imprisoning people primarily to strip them of their voting rights? Corporations are worried that common citizens will vote in a way contrary to their interests so they prevent that by getting them locked up in large numbers? That might make a good dystopian sci-fi theme -- but kind of far-fetched.

      As for revoking driving privileges because someone owes money (typically unpaid child support)? That's arguably overused, but worth keeping on the table as an option. All too often, you have people out there refusing to pay the support they owe, yet finding ways to take regular vacation trips all over the country where they spend thousands of dollars. Sure, it makes no sense to take a license away from somebody actually needing it to get to and from a job they're trying to do. But that's not where this law is getting applied, most of the time. They know that people value having the ability to drive. It's a big part of one's freedom in America. So taking it away when it's clear they're using it to make it harder to find them to collect child support? That just makes sense. And the fact they're likely to then drive without the license? That further helps ensure they wind up back in court at some point, where their lack of willingness to pay can be addressed.

    3. Re:Or maybe ... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      Corporations are worried that common citizens will vote in a way contrary to their interests so they prevent that by getting them locked up in large numbers?

      No, I think Republicans want to disenfranchise poor/black people who are not likely to vote for them. That they get to enrich private companies is gravy on top of that. See poll taxes, and much of the voterID public justifications.

      (typically unpaid child support)? That's arguably overused

      Typically fines and court fees (sometimes related to driving, often related to adding outrageous fees that must be settled). And yes, it's overused. Like, in VA in 2015, 1/6 drivers had their license suspended.

      Also, 90% of people who give up driving when they lose their license lose their jobs, it seems like a very counter-productive punishment. I know you think that's "not where this law is getting applied", but it totally is. Deadbeat, well-off dads are a rounding error. People who couldn't pay the fine for their headlight being out are their bread-and-butter

      And, I should point out the license issue was on top of a very different, and very real, jailtime enforced (and private!) set of outrageous fees and interest on people who pay their fines over time.

      --
      Your ad here. Ask me how!
    4. Re:Or maybe ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You *really* think we're imprisoning people primarily to strip them of their voting rights?

      Of course not. That's just a side-benefit. Though don't think it's completely ignored either. Black and brown people are target for a reason, you know, and it's not because they commit more crimes.

    5. Re:Or maybe ... by Solandri · · Score: 1, Troll

      There's a tendency among Europeans to tribute the problems they see in the U.S. to structural problem with the U.S.

      Most European states are very homogeneous in their racial makeup. The U.S. has an extremely large immigrant population, making it very ethnically diverse for a developed nation (I believe only Canada is more diverse). If you compare to a map of homicide rates, with the notable exceptions of Canada and Russia, you'll see a very strong correlation. More ethnically diverse countries tend to have more homicides.

      We as a species are still very tribal. When the population is homogeneous and fewer tribes are in conflict, there tends to be less violent crime. When the population is diverse and more tribes are in conflict, there tends to be more violent crime. That's probably all you're seeing. The Canadians I've met are genuinely nice and friendly towards outsiders (almost to a fault - they have problems standing up for themselves when they're being taken advantage of). Americans tend to be more of the type who won't take crap for others. The high U.S. prison population is probably a consequence of maintaining low developed world crime rates within an ethnically diverse population. (I haven't visited Russia nor met many Russians so I can't speak for why their correlation is the opposite of most of the world.)

      Drop a few million people from all around the world into any EU country, and I suspect you'd either see their crime rate or their prison population skyrocket.

    6. Re:Or maybe ... by mishehu · · Score: 1

      You *really* think we're imprisoning people primarily to strip them of their voting rights?

      I suggest checking this... http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/... as a starter...

    7. Re:Or maybe ... by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      Funny, isn't it already happening now with immigrants? And yet, crime did not reach US levels...

  16. I know cell phone towers can triangulate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, this can be solved technically.

  17. Stingrays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prisons would be the one place where a Stingray would have legitimate use. However, the police find it much more interesting to listen to the pillow talk of law abiding citizens instead.

  18. Smuggled Cellphone Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The solution to the smuggled cellphones into our prisons is quite obvious... install cellphone jammers to blanket all inmate sections in all prisons. Won't impact the need to use by guards/administrators. End of story.

  19. sounds like someone isnt doing his job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "said Kevin Tamez of the MPM group, a litigation consulting firm that specializes in prison security..."

    i dont know, maybe if you made the costs for normal phone calls much cheaper than you could eliminate the need for smuggling cellphones to those hardened criminals.

    this sounds like another group of corporations asking for another handout from the government. Pretty much an excuse for private entities to raise their costs that they are going to charge the government. This is nothing more than a PR campaign so that the normal people like you and me aren't shocked when the prison system gets more money.

    FTA: "But why are they so common in the South? Experts have linked contraband smuggling to low pay and high turnover for guards"

    oh wait but it gets better, at the end of the article, the actual cause comes out:

    " But special firmware installed on cellphones used at a correctional facility can completely block unauthorized phones behind bars from connecting to nearby cell towers "It turns off all functionality, including video recording, word processing, and texting and phone communications," Shaffer said. "

    so its a play to have a say in the firmware on all cellphones to that those geo-located in prisons are disabled... Nice slippery slope you have there!it would be a shame if someone fell down it!

  20. It's odd to me that all the comments so far by waspleg · · Score: 1

    are about how to stop them from using the phones with 0 mention of the $15 2 minute privatized prison hellscape nightmare.

    Yea, some of these people are hardened career criminals but not all and the exploitation of these people who are already being punished by society should be criminal itself. This is literally a captive audience and even worse than the cable monopolies in your area.

    1. Re:It's odd to me that all the comments so far by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 1

      It's a little more subtle than that. Privatized prisons and jails account for less than 10% of current facilities. The exorbitant fees charged for calls are down to the private vendors that run the jail/prison phone systems. These systems are MONITORED by the facility but are OPERATED by the vendor.

      The vendor provides the equipment and performs maintenance and they set the fees for calls. They have no incentive to provide inexpensive service.

      The facility sets use policy and chooses vendors. They have little to no incentive to choose an inexpensive vendor.

    2. Re:It's odd to me that all the comments so far by fafalone · · Score: 1

      Privatized prisons and jails account for less than 10% of current facilities.

      I'm confused as to why you're mentioning that... it's got nothing to do with the phone situation. Private or not, all prison phones are controlled by the same oligopoly, eg Securus and GTL. It's not a private/public issue, all jails/prisons charge the same exorbitant rates from the same vendors. And there are no inexpensive vendors to choose from, because the oligopoly keeps competitors out, very effectively because of the legal/contract issues.

    3. Re:It's odd to me that all the comments so far by fafalone · · Score: 1

      It also points to a larger issue as well: If you can't keep cell phones and drugs out of maximum security prisons, how could you ever hope to keep drugs out of the country. What's worse, people realize this, but then still won't support alternatives (besides for pot).
      If prisons were actually reserved for people who really belonged in prison, the price of phone calls for that far smaller group would be less of an issue. (And they love to talk about how most aren't in there for drugs, but if you eliminated the drug war, you'd decimate property crime and make a major dent in violent crimes associated with the black market and gangs, on top of the people with serious abuse issues being more able to get help, preventing other crimes done under the influence). 'Do you think we can win the drug war?' 'No' 'Then should drugs beyond pot be legal and regulated?' 'No those are bad!' No duh they're bad but the drug war isn't going to suddenly work because $current_evilest_drugs are "really bad". Nobody cares that by every single metric you can possibly think of prohibition takes some bad and makes it worse, because they want the bad thing gone and conceding that's not happening is intolerable.

      So, make prison for the actual worst of the worst, then nobody will care much for phone prices. In the mean time, here's some ideas:
      -Nobody who hasn't been convicted yet should have to pay for phone calls, period.
      -Break up the GTL/Securus monopoly and allow competition
      -Low-income families should get a reduced rate and/or a limited amount of free calls
      -Calls on holidays should be free.
      -Take these white collar guys that are forfeiting millions of dollars and apply some of their forfeiture/fines to make them pay for everyone on the block's calls. Bonus points for an 'asshole of the decade' fine... Shkreli and Madoff should cover their entire prison's phone bills. And commissary.

    4. Re:It's odd to me that all the comments so far by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's what I was pointing out to the comment I was replying to.

  21. Faraday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Prisons are already cages just make them Faraday. Cost same as enforcement,

  22. Re: We're jamming (URL to appropriate jammer) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    only when the jamming is done illegally. homeland security can override the communications act so this really just requires some policy to be implemented, the laws already cater for it.

  23. Other side of the coin. What lead to the violence? by Neuronwelder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the late 1960's and early '70's prisons were becoming alarmingly empty. Well in 1972 (sarcasm) good thing President Nixon came to the "rescue" starting the very expensive "War on Drugs," we pay taxes for. The prisons started to fill up again, mostly with people who could not afford a good attorney. - I would love to see an article explaining how we got to be the number 1 nation in imprisoning people. The over crowding that and systematic starvation. Cold and hot extremes they endure. How they now are making new laws to imprison more people because they have "Prisons for Profit", which are hungry for more prisoners. Forced labor. Forced payback on "rent" for your say. And we still pay taxes for private!! Also, how people get imprisoned for minor infractions like having as little 1 joint in their possession in some States.

  24. Free outside calls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The prison system thinks for the outside call land line system as a profit center.
    But it appears to have a cost in a widespread incentive for cell phones inside the prison.

    If the calls were free, then at least part of the incentive for cells inside would be gone.

    On another note, it does seems like a person with a radio transmitter should be relatively easy to find.

    1. Re: Free outside calls? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or if you got a reasonable free phone time/month...

  25. Re: We're jamming (URL to appropriate jammer) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even Ajit Pai disagrees with your claim that state and local prisons only need a policy ruling to allow them to legally jam radio communications near and around them.

    When even Pai says he can't change it on his own you know it's true. As someone said above, only the Feds can legally do this and there's no way many states or localities would allow the Feds any foothold in how their own prisons are run. Too many fears that ICE would use the leverage to make them hold illegal immigrants for deportation.

  26. And the rest of us have a Stingray problem. by stevenm86 · · Score: 2

    Prisons have a cellphone problem. The rest of us have a Stingray problem. Put two and two together, apply whitelisting and recording as appropriate, and add a footnote about a "reasonable expectation of privacy". Problem solved.

  27. StringRay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't this seem like a perfect installation of a StringRay cell phone tracker? Provide cell service in the prisons and monitor and jam at will.

  28. mod parent up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jamming is the ONLY solution. You would think the nerds of /. would think of ways they would get around being blocked -- some nerd will get paid huge $$$ or be forced to help organized crime or wealthy criminals to circumvent anything. The ONLY thing that can not be circumvented is total radio jamming.

    If you catch radio with fencing and special wall treatments-- somebody will find a tower that reaches above the walls; or find somebody willing to put a cell repeater up a hill or tower or flying drone a few miles away but well placed.

    Flying drones in/out of prison is another issue which is only going to get worse... but jamming will mess most of those up as well. Then you also have to think about sat phones-- which will get bigger as a response... I frankly don't know why a mob boss isn't smart enough to pay some nerd to make a mini ham radio or some custom radio that uses other frequencies.

    My local prison has always had troubles with the low paid guards allowing or helping illicit trade of goods. At least things would be slower and less accessible with guard message forwarding.

    Keep in mind, lesser criminals should be in separate buildings where outside access is not forbidden. Also, charging that kind of money for phone allowed phone calls is just inhumane.
    captcha: vilified

  29. So remove the incentive to smuggle phones, morons. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gosh, you mean a system that charges $15/minute for a phone call resulted in a black market? How shocking! Anyone who reads that story and doesn't understand how to fix the 'problem' is far too concerned with profit over access to phones. Drop phone prices to something reasonable, or free, and the only people smuggling phones (and covering for people smuggling phones) are the people who want to use them for actual criminal purposes. Until then, every inmate, no matter how much a stooge of the prison authorities, is going to offer as much cover and assistance to phone smugglers as they can. That's just human nature - something the folks who run prisons apparently have absolutely no understanding of.

  30. Re:We're jamming (URL to appropriate jammer) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This solution is stupid. One big 45W jammer will cause disruption in areas outside of the prison, while still having many spots inside where a signal is available. Here they opted for small jammers in every 2-3 cells. Basically like how you deploy wireless access points. There is no degradation at all outside of the prison, and even in the staff areas the disruption is said to be minimal (mostly 4G being slower but still working).

  31. Human problem. by gamehersgarden · · Score: 1

    The idea of taking all real world factors away from someone to make the them better able to do with it is a base problem with society. Extinction is to good for their species.

  32. My sympathy is with the prisoners. by XXongo · · Score: 5, Insightful
    My sympathy is with the prisoners here.

    Prisons consider phone calls to be a money fountain. Basically, they are squeezing money out of prisoners trying to keep connections with family.

    Many many studies have shown that the single thing that is most important to reducing recidivism is that the prisoners have ties to family and community OUTSIDE of the people they meet in prison. So, basically, the main effect of high cost of phone calls home is to INCREASE crime.

    The whole bit about criminals running criminal enterprises with cell phones is mostly a distraction. The prisons want to delete cell phones purely because their monopoly on phoning home makes them tons of cash. If criminals were running criminal enterprises on cell phones, the solution would be a wiretap.

    from the article: Cellphones are prized because they allow inmates to avoid privatized jailhouse phone and visitation services that charge up to $15 for a two-minute call home to friends and family. "Inmates call their mothers like most of us do on holidays," said Dr. John Shaffer, former executive deputy secretary for the Pennsylvania Corrections Department.

    1. Re:My sympathy is with the prisoners. by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Convicted felon here.

      In two county jails and two federal prisons I was in, the facility itself makes no money directly from phone calls. The phone services are provided by outside vendors/contractors. There is an argument to be made that there is nepotism and corruption in play, but I think you would have to examine that on a case by case basis.

      I suspect the kickback model is the most popular. In the insider model, the Bush family is the most common suspect.

      From my personal experience, most facilities' motivation not to seek a better deal for their inmates is a combination of laziness and a feeling that they need/want to punish the prisoners.

    2. Re: My sympathy is with the prisoners. by zilym · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Guess you've never heard that the average person inadvertently commits three arguable felonies everyday. The game is rigged boys. With private jails profiting off of every "guest" admitted, the profit seeking impetus is to pass more and more laws to put more and more people in jail.

      Just failing to mow your lawn can land you in jail today. And once they've got you in jail, you can't mow your lawn to fix the problem, minimum wage laws no longer apply to your labor, and the jailers can nickel and dime you to death as they do with these high prices for phone calls.

      Be happy you're lucky enough to be on the outside right now.

    3. Re:My sympathy is with the prisoners. by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I can't believe nobody has brought this up but every call must be monitored by someone with experience in decoding illegal activity during a conversation. The cost is not small.

      --
      love is just extroverted narcissism
    4. Re: My sympathy is with the prisoners. by neoshroom · · Score: 2

      Don't assume all people in prison are guilty. You can go to prison for journalism these days. All that is required is the journalism be redescribed as part of a criminal behavior. I felt threatened by those true opinions.

      --
      Big apple, new Yorik, undig it, something's unrotting in Edenmark.
    5. Re:My sympathy is with the prisoners. by mishehu · · Score: 1

      So what? It's not like prisoners normally make "average wages". The state has decided to incarcerate these people for whatever reason, the state can pay to monitor their phone calls.

    6. Re:My sympathy is with the prisoners. by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

      So what? It's not like prisoners normally make "average wages". The state has decided to incarcerate these people for whatever reason, the state can pay to monitor their phone calls.

      Yeah but prisons are about making money, not spending it. You think the prisons actually give a shit when they are for profit enterprises? Your tax money at work, going to these companies to lock as many people up as they can, they don't want them getting reformed, they want repeat business.

      --
      Wanna buy a shirt?
      https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
    7. Re:My sympathy is with the prisoners. by mishehu · · Score: 2

      I agree completely, and I despise the practice. We have far too many people locked up and far too many people being forced into plea-bargain deals.

    8. Re:My sympathy is with the prisoners. by JimSadler · · Score: 1

      It is the families of inmates that end up paying the huge phone charges. It is like being punished because you have a family member who did wrong. One thing I am sure of is that almost an idea designed to solve problems in the criminal justice system will tend to make things worse. My observation is that some personalities simply can not obey rules. for quite a few inmates they need to be isolated permanently in a prison for people who will never be released. For example stealing a car should always result in a stiff sentence. Some people actually need to know that their life will be ended for committing certain crimes. I do not mean use a death penalty. What I do mean is that street criminals need to know that they can easily be sentenced to life with no hope of release at all. for example would you possess heroin if you knew that any types of possession of heroin would send you away for life with no hope of parole.

  33. Bullshit ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... Stingrays and electronic sweeps, close-range, won't find cell phones?

    --
    It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
  34. US Prisons Have A Privatization Problem by hyades1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As long as there's a profit to be turned from putting people in jail, guess what...more and more people will wind up in jail.

    The world would be a better place if those turning a profit from incarcerating non-violent criminals were held accountable for the damage they've done to society and forced to spend the rest of their lives in the institutions they created.

    --
    I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
  35. Easy Solution... by I75BJC · · Score: 1

    How to cut down illegal cell phone calls? Use the cell-phone-signal blocking devices. Easy solution; effective solution. BUT, and Thanks-to-the USA-Federal-Government's-Forwarding-Thinking-Congress-and-past-POTUS, also illegal. Why does the Federal Government stick it's nose into every area of our lives.

    1. Re:Easy Solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They did that in Honduras. First they blocked phone signal in any town near a jail. That flipped a lot of people off. Then they localized the blocking better. Despite the obvious teething problem it seems to have worked.

  36. Li'l Rocket Man by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Funny

    At least these inmates aren't using their cellphones to start a nuclear war with North Korea via Twitter.

    --
    You are welcome on my lawn.
    1. Re:Li'l Rocket Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This got modded up? What the hell?

      Guess what, moron, President Trump is - yet again - entirely right. There is no point in negotiating with North Korea. They don't care to negotiate. All past attempts to negotiate have failed. President Trump is committed to doing what must be done, even if it isn't popular. Which is a commendable position to be, honestly, and if past administrations hadn't been so unwilling to do what had to be done, America wouldn't be in the state that it's currently in.

    2. Re:Li'l Rocket Man by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      President Trump is committed to doing what must be done

      Which is what, golfing?

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    3. Re:Li'l Rocket Man by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Weird how no one cared when Obama spent half his presidency golfing

      Trump has golfed more than twice as much as President Obama.

      http://www.politifact.com/trut...

      He's done an amazing job dealing with three unprecedented natural disasters

      He's done a shit job in Puerto Rico and has zero legislative accomplishments to his name. By any objective measure, Trump is an historic failure as a president, as a man, and as a human being.

      https://www.vox.com/2017/10/1/...

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/...

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    4. Re:Li'l Rocket Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      learn your fucking history retard, negotiation has been extremely successful in the past, it got to the point where south and north even marched in the Olympics under the one banner during the "sunshine policy" in 2000 instigated by south korea, it then all deteriorated due to bad policy from all involved, ESPECIALLY the US by labelling them part of the Axis of Evil post 9/11 where the US government was looking to blame anyone and everyone for their problems.

    5. Re:Li'l Rocket Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Got any sources that aren't fake news? No? I didn't think so.

      President Trump is doing an amazing job, especially when you realize how hard RINOs and the Democrats are working to block everything he does. If you knew anything about how government worked you'd know that failures in Congress lie with McConnel and Ryan, not the President. If the President had the power to fire them, things would be greatly improved, but unfortunately we need to wait until 2018 to start clearing the deadwood out of the Senate.

    6. Re:Li'l Rocket Man by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Got any sources that aren't fake news? No? I didn't think so.

      The Chicago Tribune is a conservative Republican newspaper.

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    7. Re:Li'l Rocket Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say what? Pro tip: the 1980's have been over for quite a while. The only thing that makes them more conservative than the Sun-Times these days is that they use bigger words and smaller print.

    8. Re:Li'l Rocket Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This got modded up? What the hell?

      Having a few sock accounts with mod points can come in really handy. If it weren't for that this asshole would be posting from a karma black hole.

    9. Re:Li'l Rocket Man by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Say what?

      I'll tell you what: you name the objective news organization of your choice and I'll find you the proof that Donald Trump has been a shit president, a shit man, and a shit human being. You've rejected, let's see...Forbes, Chicago Tribune, Tampa Bay Times, Washington Post, New York Times. So tell us where you go to get your unvarnished truth about #Dolt45 and I'll still be able to prove that he's shit all the way down.

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    10. Re:Li'l Rocket Man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A true story told badly doesn't negate truth. The claims that Trump is doing a bad job are based on fact. He HAS failed to legislate and he HAS failed at producing an adequate response to the Hurricanes. Those are indisputable facts. While people were going hungry in Puerto Rico and Florida Trump was busy tweeting about the NFL. The weekend before last he tweeted 10 times about the NFL and said nothing about hurricane victims. On Sunday he was busy watching golf. That shows where his true interests lie. The man needs to get off his cellphone and do his job.

  37. Re: We're jamming (URL to appropriate jammer) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jamming communications that allow contacting emergency services lands you straight in federal prison.

    I'm pretty sure my government wouldn't extradite me for such a trifle, but okay..
    Prison is a place where a lot of normal rules and liberties are suspended, so how hard can it be to get a legal exception here?

  38. Firmware?? by cdwiegand · · Score: 1

    So what they want to do is mandate firmware for all phones to allow them to disable, complete, all functionality of a phone. We have only their word that they won't disable *MY* phone, or *YOUR* phone, that they won't accidentally read off the wrong IMEI and disabled Trump's phone..

    And here's the way around this: buy your prison phone from Europe, or Asia, pop a US SIM in it, and you're good to go. Asia, in particular, has low cost phones that won't observe any firmware "shutdown" commands as they are made for use outside of FCC jurisdiction.

    --
    . Define sqrt(x) as something really evil like (x / rand()), and bury it deep. Watch your coworkers go nuts.
  39. Its a problem when by Gallomimia · · Score: 1

    Come back when it's 3 or 6 cellphones per inmate and we'll show you what a problem is.

    --
    Sadly, a Libertarian cannot force his views on another, and freedom cannot spread as does the cancer known as religion.
  40. So block the connections by chuckugly · · Score: 1

    Block cell phones from connecting. Solved in one.

  41. This boggles my mind. by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    They have a completely locked-down environment and they still can't control it? Really?. There are so many obvious solutions to this problem.The fact that this is even an issue can only be either utter incompetence or blatant corruption. Either way someone badly needs to get fired.

    1. Re:This boggles my mind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly!

      and just think of all the stuff that is smuggled on to airplanes! heck the TSA couldn't find their ass with both hands, how can prisons restrict anything coming and going?

    2. Re:This boggles my mind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it is the Guards, they make money off of the prisoners and smuggle in the cell phones, drugs and weapons to them. The fucking guards are the worst criminals in a prison.

  42. Rehabilitation by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, I think there was a drive toward rehabilitation in prison from the 60's to the late 80's, especially at the federal level. They claimed three purposes of incarceration; the three R's: Restraint (I'm not robbing more banks while I'm locked up), Retribution (punishment to help victims feel closure and serve as a deterrent to other), Rehabilitation (changing me so I am less likely to break the law after my eventual release).

    Restraint clearly works. I robbed 0 banks during the entire time I was in prison.
    Retribution seems to work. I can't tell you how many people have told me they have always wanted to rob a bank but were too scared of the punishment.
    Rehabilitation pretty much left the federal system in 1987. Reagan and a couple of Supreme Court decisions effectively removed both the expectation and the reality of rehabilitative efforts. They gutted the the programming available to inmates, which had been quite extensive in some places.

    1. Re:Rehabilitation by rainer_d · · Score: 1

      Punishment is rarely a deterrent to crime.

      It usually only works for people who are not criminals in the first place.

      Like when you know there is no speed-trap (because you drove there just a few minutes ago), but you still keep to the speed-limit because it's the right thing to do.

      Similarly to people here that bring thousands (sometimes tens of thousands) worth of money or goods to the lost-and-found bureau, even though they could just take it home: bcause it's the right thing to do.

      But ask any criminal sitting in a cell if the punishment wasn't deterring him from the deed. In most cases, these people don't even spend a minute thinking about that. They just assume they won't be caught.

      --
      Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
    2. Re:Rehabilitation by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Punishment is rarely a deterrent to crime.

      It usually only works for people who are not criminals in the first place.

      ...
      But ask any criminal sitting in a cell if the punishment wasn't deterring him from the deed. In most cases, these people don't even spend a minute thinking about that. They just assume they won't be caught.

      You're asking the wrong people the wrong question.

      --
      The cesspool just got a check and balance.
    3. Re:Rehabilitation by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

      Citation needed.

      No one keeps to the speed limit when cops are out of sight, have you never driven before?
      No one kills anyone without thinking it is the right thing to do. That is the single cause of 99% of all murders.

      --
      Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
    4. Re: Rehabilitation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uhh I'm a delivery guy and I always go the speed limit.
      I'm just out there so much more than others that even if I don't see cops they probably see me. I know that seems illogical but it works.
      At least that's how I've been driving for 16 years and have no tickets at all.
      I just think, even if I drive slow it's faster than I can run, and all the pieces fall into place. Plus it's better on fuel, which is very important for a delivery guy. And ETAs are easier to calculate when you are consistent.

    5. Re:Rehabilitation by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 2

      Actually, I think there was a drive toward rehabilitation in prison from the 60's to the late 80's, especially at the federal level. They claimed three purposes of incarceration; the three R's: Restraint (I'm not robbing more banks while I'm locked up), Retribution (punishment to help victims feel closure and serve as a deterrent to other), Rehabilitation (changing me so I am less likely to break the law after my eventual release).

      Restraint clearly works. I robbed 0 banks during the entire time I was in prison.
      Retribution seems to work. I can't tell you how many people have told me they have always wanted to rob a bank but were too scared of the punishment.
      Rehabilitation pretty much left the federal system in 1987. Reagan and a couple of Supreme Court decisions effectively removed both the expectation and the reality of rehabilitative efforts. They gutted the the programming available to inmates, which had been quite extensive in some places.

      I don't think any serious academics believe rehabilitation is currently a purpose of prison, even remotely. There are a few effective rehabilitative programs--good drug courts, for example--but they are the exception, not the rule.

      --
      Real lawyers write in C++
    6. Re:Rehabilitation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a fascinating post on one of the initial articles about the Equifax breach, which suggested that it isn't the severity of punishment, but the probability of punishment that produces a deterrent effect. To wit: Everyone slows down for the traffic cop parked on the side of the road with a radar gun, but nobody worries about a speeding ticket in a work zone even if the fine is doubled.

  43. easy fix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    easy fix.

    if caught with a cellphone, kill 'em and be legit harsh doing it.

    don't be shy just gut 'em like a fish.
    let them bleed out on live TV.

    torch the corpse after, on the spot, so the smell reminds the next ones of what awaits.

    zero tolerance.

    bonus: hey trumperoo ol buddy ol pal, annual Purge should be a real event. c'mon. it'd be *so* much fun! make 'hacking' great again! lol lol lol

    captcha: biteme

  44. Jamming vs Scanning by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 1

    In the prisons I was in, it would be extremely hard to seal the facility. There were extensive outdoor areas and there were civilian residences and roads in the immediate vicinity. It would be hard, though not impossible, to draw those lines at the carrier level. For example, I passed through Federal Penitentiary Atlanta, which is literally inside Atlanta.

    Even worse, inmates could spoof the GPS in the phone to move its precise location a little bit to be on the other side of the line.

    I think a simpler answer is to put direction finding scanners in the facility and triangulate devices that make connections (obviously whitelist staff phones). Then have the Goon Squad bum rush the area where the phone is and strip search everybody. This is something that the guards are actually kind of good at. When the confiscation rate gets high enough and the cost of getting access to phones gets high enough, the problem will mostly go away.

    Unfortunately, this requires spending money on new systems (not more barbed wire) and more actual work by administration and corrections officers.

    1. Re: Jamming vs Scanning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Couple microcells and triangulation.

      From a technical point of view this could be developed and deployed relatively cheaply, if it wasn't for the public/private angle (when combined they balloon costs far more effectively than even government manages alone).

  45. real journalism by epine · · Score: 1

    According to, ahem, Wikipedia, private prisons house about 8% of the prison population.

    And according to the 80-20 power law, 20% of your prisoners experience 80% of the total injustice and punitive "piling on" and we have already identified nearly half of that group.

    (You think when you are already underneath two 300-lb linemen, well "what's one more?" and "ooooof" you had no idea a ruptured spleen could hurt that much—especially two days later, while the whistle-toting coach continues to prevent you from consulting with a qualified team doctor.)

    Sheesh, even the most myopic libertarian knows that coercion is properly the power of the state, to be exercised by the state, with responsibility to the state (and not the bottom line).

    Chapter 1: "Inmates Run This Bitch" — June 2016

    In the middle of the morning, Miss Price tells us to shake down the common areas. I follow one of the two COs into a tier and we do perfunctory searches of the TV room and tables, feeling under the ledges, flipping through a few books. I bend over and feel around under a water fountain. My hand lands on something loose. I get on my knees to look. It's a smartphone. I don't know what to do—do I take it or leave it? My job, of course, is to take it, but by now I know that being a guard is only partially about enforcing the rules. Mostly, it's about learning how to get through the day safely, which requires decisions like these to be weighed carefully.

    A prisoner is watching me. If I leave the phone, everyone on the tier will know. I will win inmates' respect. But if I take it, I will show my superiors I am doing my job. I will alleviate some of the suspicion they have of every new hire. "Those ones who gets along with 'em—those ones are the ones I really have to watch," SORT commander Tucker told us in class. "There is five of y'all. Two and a half are gonna be dirty."

    I take the phone.

    Miss Price is thrilled. The captain calls the unit to congratulate me. The other COs couldn't care less. When I do count later, each inmate on that tier stares at me with his meanest look. Some step toward me threateningly as I pass.

    The worker "safety" margin in the shareholder-first privatized system is about an order of magnitude more "intimidating" to the work force than a properly run prison, and the average hire is about half as well equipped to manage these decisions.

    That's not the only phone story. This "article" is about a half-day read, and still I recommend the whole thing.

    Real journalism. A great fit alongside your collection of tubes and vinyl for any retro hipsters out there with a sixties conscience. (If you've been freshly fished from the Juicer section of the cryogenic deep freeze, here's a carrot tip: a modern cellphone is like Kirk's communicator, but with less flip action, and it also comes with a tiny screen on which you can play Breakout or Dig Dug for as long as your thumb will bend.)

  46. Re: We're jamming (URL to appropriate jammer) by BankRobberMBA · · Score: 1

    Turns out it's pretty hard. Don't think they haven't tried.

  47. At Least There's a Silver Lining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Best of all, these guys learn all about playing with their buttholes since that's the only place they can hide the phones. Now you understand the market for slimmer phones! As these guys "graduate" from prison, expect an explosion in dildo sales. l0l

  48. No, use a special tower with a white list. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Install a tower that will intercept all local traffic, and implement a whitelist that will only allow approved numbers and phones. All telcos must come on board with this, it is one of the costs of being allowed to do business in the USA.

  49. Hmmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not just execute them?

    I like the way you think.

  50. Re: We're jamming (URL to appropriate jammer) by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 1

    And the circle is then complete :).

  51. Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Calhoun State Prison had a big cellphone problem, at least from 2011-2013. They probably do today. A lot of the phones in the prison were sold by guards at huge markups. A $25 flipphone would go for $400, a proper smartphone, more like $1k.

    All payments were made with greendot numbers.

    They're used for business and pleasure. Inmates are not talking to family all day long! They browse the Internet, have fun, get on Facebook, flirt with fat girls to try to extort them out of money, that kind of thing. They use them to track prisoner transfers so that the gangs know where members and enemies are going, and when.

    The prison phone system has very little to do with their popularity. That's a red herring! Make the prison phones FREE and you would still have all the cell phones in there, all the time. Guaranteed. Why? Because you can't get on Facebook using the blue phones! Nobody likes those damn things, no matter what the cost. Only a committed few used them. I doubt they're much of a profit center anymore.

    Phones are central to the greendot economy. You make a lot of big trades in prison with greendots. It's how weed changes hands, how store men do their business, etc etc. Guys with lockers full of commissary, and inmates going into and out of their cells all day looking for 2-for-3 deals or whatever. That's the reality. People on the outside know there's a lot of money to be made on desperation. The same motives that cause phone companies to charge $5 or more for a 15-minute call in prison push people to sell phones, weed, and other products to inmates, using the greendot economy. All they need is an entry point. And hell some folks just make that kind of cash selling things that are legal to get in jail, based on the inability of the genpop to manage their finances properly. Some idiot who has no money on his books for one week will rack up a huge debt getting ramen and chips from the store man, so how does he pay? He gets on a phone (acquiring more debt), gets someone from the outside to send a greendot number, and then gives it to the store man and the phone man to split up. They send that money out to someone on the outside, or hell they'll just put it on their books. Some guys get out of jail with thousands of dollars on their books that they didn't have going in. How do you suppose that happens?!? Easy! You have people in the joint piling up debt, paying as much as $100 or more for $60 of already-marked-up commissary. Sometimes they do this to keep a low profile, since they can shop at the store man's cell with greendots and not attract as much attention. If you get money on your books and go to the prison store, everyone gets to see you receive your Jpay receipt at mail time, and they get to ambush you on your way to the prison store if the prison is stupid enough to make people go there in person. Calhoun started delivering commissary to the houses to prevent that, so that you only had to worry about people in your house, rather than people out on the walk.

    Anyway, the GDC could have applied for permits with the FCC to operate jammers, or they could just order the local cell companies to run whitelists on their towers. Places like Calhoun all ran off one tower mainly, that you could see out of E and F house pretty easily. It's not like it would be hard. But prison administration would never go for something like that. I think many of them LIKE having all those phones in there, since the low-level guys get to make hundreds smuggling in phones, and then they get paid a bounty by the court system for every successful conviction of possession. So the sucker inmates pay to get them in, and then pay again when they lose them. Say hello to an E-class felony with a 1-year sentence if you get caught and prosecuted!

  52. In the Butt? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    So do they actually smuggle phones in, in peoples butts? Are their specially designed phones that fit? OR specialty Goatse level mules? Or do they just bribe guards to sneak them in?

    --
    Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
  53. Re: We're jamming (URL to appropriate jammer) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where the fuck did I say it was local and state prisons that need the policy? the policy needs to come from a department that can override existing laws, e.g. the homeland security.

  54. This is not news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is not news, it has been going on as long as there have been cell phones.
    Current prison systems are way outdated; check out true rehabilitation with http://www.criminon.org/.

  55. 30 minutes or less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cellphones smuggled into prisons -- enabling inmates to order murders [...] have also played a role in breakouts, with one South Carolina inmate dialing up drone delivery of wire cutters and cash for his escape in July.

    Yes, but was the delivery completed in 30 minutes or less? If not, it should be free.

  56. Easy fix by p51d007 · · Score: 0

    All prisoner areas are FARADAY CAGE. Common areas, that are monitored are not, like day rooms But prisoner cells, turn them into faraday cages. No signals in or out. But...they won't be able to listen to music, or this or that. So? Stay out of trouble and you don't have to worry about it.

  57. Why not use a wireless signal analyzer? by acoustix · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that walking up and down the hall with a handheld device will show you almost exactly where these wireless devices are. Find the hot zones. Come back later and toss the cell (room, not phone). Use the phone as evidence to figure out other crimes being committed.

    Seems pretty simple to me.

    Also, as others have stated: Faraday cage.

    --
    "A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
  58. Faraday Cages are so 20th Century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and I take it they want a more modern solution.

  59. Re:Other side of the coin. What lead to the violen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    False on all counts. More self-delusion at work.

  60. Profit-making prisons? I think not. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every time I see a post claiming all problems stem from a profit-making prison system I can only wonder who is paying them to spread such lies. Probably the Russians and maybe the Chinese. They have such large prison populations and know the problems with troublemakers in the populous and must desire to see more chaos in the US. No prison system makes a profit. They all cost big-time.

    The cellphones in the prisons are just part of the Democrats free bread and circus for their base.

  61. Yeah by schleimkeim · · Score: 1

    THAT's the problem with Americas prisons

  62. Re:Other side of the coin. What lead to the violen by fafalone · · Score: 2

    I would love to see an article explaining how we got to be the number 1 nation in imprisoning people.

    There's 10s of thousands of articles out there on the War on Drugs, take your pic.

    The real problem is our inability accept facts and logic. Eliminating drug abuse by forcefully stopping it wasn't an entirely unreasonable thing to try, especially back then when the issue wasn't well studied. But it's 100 years now since the first drug prohibition, and >40 of the modern War on Drugs. It has been demonstrated beyond any doubt that no matter how harsh the penalties, even the death penalty for drugs some countries have, prohibition does not work. Anybody can get any drug they want, even in maximum security prisons. Our 4th Amendment rights are nearly dead largely because of this. Loads of other rights are seriously damaged. Police becoming heavily armed soldiers with us as the enemy are a consequence of this. You might be able to justify all that, and the millions upon millions of lives ruined, and the hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars spent, if it was eliminating or seriously reducing the harm drugs cause to society... but it unequivocally is not.
    Drugs like cocaine, heroin, and meth have horrific consequences when they're abused; to the user, to their family, and to society. Since eliminating them is absolutely never gonna happen, we should instead pick the policy that minimizes the harm caused. Most people are simply incapable of accepting that criminal prohibition instead takes these very harmful substances, and increases their harm by orders of magnitude, and strips everyone of their civil rights.
    If you want to:
    -Minimize the number of addicts,
    -Minimize the number of ODs,
    -Minimize acquisitive crime (property crime to raise money),
    -Minimize violent crimes,
    -Maximize opportunities for people with abuse issues to get help,
    Then you have to provide tightly regulated, but legal, access, to all drugs. There's been extensive studies on this, it's not some random idea, it's a thoroughly studied and validated fact. Use does not increase. Portugal decriminalized all drugs for personal use; use went down. Turns out there's not loads of people saying 'gee, I sure wish heroin wasn't illegal, I'd try it otherwise'; something compounded by the fact the people most likely to develop an abuse issue are the least likely to be deterred by legality. All of the money currently spent on prohibition would instead go to education, prevention, and treatment- every dollar spent on that reduces drug abuse more than a dollar spent on prohibition. The money taken away from violent criminal organizations would completely cripple them. There'd be more cooperation with police who weren't constantly breaking down doors and shooting dogs, or sexually assaulting people on the side of the road with cavity searches (seriously, google roadside cavity search). There'd be less harassment when police couldn't bump their numbers with petty drug crimes.
    It's a hard fact to swallow, because you see the damage drugs can do, and desperately want that to never happen. But since that's impossible, you have to instead mitigate. However bad you think a given drug is, prohibition makes it worse. Whenever you say "Well, $x shouldn't be illegal because $y", $y is made worse, not better, by keeping it illegal.

  63. Shopping centers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get it, apparently shopping centers can snoop on your every move using your phone. They should either use that tech or catch them out with the new iNmate app.

  64. Now, let's all think for a minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having counseled prisoners in the past, I can tell you that the only way phones get smuggled into prisons is via Prison Guards.

    (drones? yeah, probably 1 in 100 gets smuggled in that way).

    You see, people visiting prisoners go through a search process, run by the guards. Guards on the other hand... they go in and out all day long.

    So, it is the fucking crooked guards who run the prisons. Pay to play is the name of the day. Believe it.

  65. Re: We're jamming (URL to appropriate jammer) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't jam. You use a fake (or real) tower to grab the signal, like a Stingray.

  66. Social problem by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Technology cannot solve Social problems

  67. Is this bigger than the sodomy problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they making a serious effort to solve the sodomy problem in US prisons?