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The Geometry of Islamic Art Becomes a Treasure of a Game (arstechnica.com)

Sam Machkovech from Ars Technica reviews the game Engare, describing it as a "clever, deceptively simple, and beautiful rumination on geometry and Islamic art-making traditions." The game consists of relatively simple puzzles and a freeform art toy that unlocks its puzzles' tools to allow you to make whatever patterns you please. From the report: The game, made almost entirely by 23-year-old Iranian developer Mahdi Bahrami, starts with a 2D scene of a circle repeatedly traveling along a line. Above this, an instructional card shows a curved-diagonal line. Drop a dot on the moving circle, the game says, and it will generate a bold line, like ink on a page. As the ball (and thus, your dot) rolls, the inked line unfurls; if you put the dot on a different part of the circle, then your inked line may have more curve or angle to it, based on the total motion of the moving, rotating circle. Your object is to recreate this exact curved-diagonal line. If your first ink-drop doesn't do the trick, try again. Each puzzle presents an increasingly complex array of moving and rotating shapes, lines, and dots. You have to watch the repeating patterns and rotations in a particular puzzle to understand where to drop an ink dot and draw the demanded line. At first, you'll have to recreate simple turns, curves, and zig-zags. By the end, you'll be making insane curlicues and rug-like super-patterns.

But even this jaded math wiz-kid couldn't help but drop his jaw, loose his tongue, and bulge his eyes at the first time Engare cracked open its math-rich heart. One early puzzle (shown above) ended with its seemingly simple pattern repeating over and over and over and over. Unlike other puzzles, this pattern kept drawing itself, even after I'd fulfilled a simple line-and-turn pattern. And with each pass of the drawing pattern, driven by a spinning, central circle, Engare drew and filled a new, bright color. This is what the game's creator is trying to shout, I thought. This is his unique, cultural perspective. This looks like the Persian rugs he saw his grandmother weave as a child.

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  1. How much is "ISlamic" by Chrisq · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How much is "Islamic" and how much is stolen from cultures that they have destroyed? For example "islamic" arches can clearly be seen in pre-islamic Persia. You will fins that most things that Muslims claim to have invented turn out to be "we destroyed this library but copied this bit"

    1. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      So Microsoft didn't even invent "embrace, extend, extinguish"?

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    2. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by Freischutz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How much is "Islamic" and how much is stolen from cultures that they have destroyed? For example "islamic" arches can clearly be seen in pre-islamic Persia. You will fins that most things that Muslims claim to have invented turn out to be "we destroyed this library but copied this bit"

      For one thing, according to some interpretations of the Koran Islam does not allow it's followers to create images of living creatures which has led to a lot of artistic energy and creativity being poured into geometric artwork and the mathematics of geometry. Secondly, the pre-Islamic cultures you cite (Persia in this case) are the same cultures that contributed to the development of geometric art after they converted to Islam. There was no destruction of cultures to speak of, just a change of religion and a change of management much like there was when the Roman empire disintegrated in Europe. Germanic kings took over from Roman administrators and people largely welcomed them despite their occasional brutality because as a general rule they did a better job of defending the population than corrupt and incompetent Roman governors had and the new rulers for the most part just took over the existing Roman institutions and ran them more efficiently and with much less corruption rather than laying waste to everything in their path. The same applies to the Islamic conquest of the orient in many cases. As for stealing from cultures you destroyed, odds are you are either an American, and Americans destroyed thousands of cultures in order to steal a continent from hem or a Brit who did the same to build an empire so please try not to throw stones, you live in a glass house.

    3. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by JohnnyBGod · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So... like every other civilisation, then?

    4. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Informative

      There was no destruction of cultures to speak of, just a change of religion

      I don't know about the Middle East but in Europe, the "just a change of religion" was definitely a destruction of (pre-Christian) cultures. I'd be very surprised if Islam, spreading at the same time, were any different.

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    5. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by gtall · · Score: 4, Informative

      Errmm...you are referring to Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, northern sub-Saharan Africa, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, India (still has a lot even after the division),...I'm sure there are more. And get this, they don't get squat from the Muslim oil producers, it seems the Muslim oil producers are very good at keeping their money close to home. Now they do fund a bit of proselytizing, but then so do the Christians. In the U.S., that seems to have spawned a Christianity devoid of Christ and the principles he espoused. Apparently, it is only for white people.

    6. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 2

      How much is "Islamic" and how much is stolen from cultures that they have destroyed? For example "islamic" arches can clearly be seen in pre-islamic Persia. You will fins that most things that Muslims claim to have invented turn out to be "we destroyed this library but copied this bit"

      We can say the same with almost every other culture. What's the point here?

    7. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      I love how whataboutism is used to gloss over the very real cultural destruction that the holy warriors of Islam visited on the nations and peoples they conquered.

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    8. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      In Islam representation of the human figure is forbidden, so art in that culture has been geometric from the beginning. Instead of centuries of variations on portraiture and scenes containing people, it has been centuries of geometric design.

    9. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by Ragica · · Score: 1

      Looks like Ars Technica is now a front for jihadists, either that or their ignorant dupes. You'd think a technically focused team wouldn't fall for this obviously religious indoctrination. Shows just how insidious this stuff is. Interesting that they posted the story under the name "Machkovech" -- vaguly jewish sounding. False flag? This guy is embedded deep, too (long writing history of articles there, none of them overtly Muslim). I guess more likely just identity theft. Someone should let this schmuck know how his name is being misused to unwittingly advancing bigotry and tyranny, so he can liberate his byline from this (IS?) quagmire.

      For those who think I don't know what I'm talking about, I can tell you I know of these things from personal experience. I once downloaded a "shareware" (communist?) program a long time ago that animated Celtic knot designed. Seemed innocent and interesting, but before I knew it I had Druids recruiting me. And young innocent that I was at the time, I fell for it. Sure I went on a few raids, just some minor raping and pillaging and all that. But thank God (not Odin!) I finally (thanks to some helpful posts on Slashdot, like yours) realised the error of my ways, and woke up to reality. Got a job at one of the few remaining American call centers. It's a bit boring, but at least it lets me talk to a lot of people, who I can help by telling my story.

    10. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by plopez · · Score: 1

      Ever use the number zero? How about Algebra? The "Al" prefix and the Arabic word "Al" aren't coincidences.

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    11. Re: How much is "ISlamic" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So because some random people somewhere else did something bad, you get a free pass to do evil things.

      Cool story, Ahmed. Don't you have some gays to kill or something?

    12. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by penandpaper · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So, in a topic talking about Islam and it's artistic cultural heritage (which does include destruction and theft as you even say) you turn it around to "what about these other cultures!". Bravo. Whataboutism in full force I see.

      none of these countries are in any position to criticise the Islamic conquest without answering some very embarrassing questions about their own past.

      Why? The topic is about Islam. The past of Islam and how it has influenced the art and culture is the topic. Why can no one mention the reality of what "change in religion" means in that time without feeling your shame and condescension?

      By your standard everyone lives in a glass house because the past is horrible compared to today. Does that mean no one can talk of any culture or any past transgression unless it's their own culture? What happens if those in that culture refuse to critizise their past, I guess that means it was all rainbows and unicorn farts, and "just a change in religion" means nothing more than a friendly door knock like this.

    13. Re: How much is "ISlamic" by plopez · · Score: 1

      Ever lynch people? Ever give infected blankets to inconvenient native groups?

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    14. Re: How much is "ISlamic" by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 2

      "Islam" isn't doing squat. MUSLIMS do many different things, and yes, some (the fundamentalists, mostly of the Salafi and Wahhabi branches of Sunni Islam) are assholes and do incredibly harmful and destructive things, and use Islam as justification. Just like fundamentalist Buddhist assholes in Myanmar and Sri Lanka do incredibly harmful and destructive things and use Buddhism as justification, or like fundamentalist Hindus in India do incredibly harmful and destructive things and use Hinduism as justification, or like fundamentalist Christians do incredibly harmful and destructive things and use Christianity as justification. The problem is not any of these religions. It is the harmful and destructive things that people do in the name of fundamentalism of any kind.

    15. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by Xest · · Score: 1

      Yeah, if it weren't for those damn arabs and them bringing the hindu-arabic numbering system out West we could still be using Roman numerals to not do mathematics very well.

      Fucking savages.

    16. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Ever use the number zero? How about Algebra? The "Al" prefix and the Arabic word "Al" aren't coincidences."

      You should have mentioned Alcohol, chances are greater that he used that one, compared to Algebra.

    17. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Exactly. And the Muslim conquest of India was described as 'probably the bloodiest story in history'

      https://themuslimissue.wordpre...

      "The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period."

      Giving the invaders credit for the bits of culture they didn't destroy is obscene.

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    18. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by gwolf · · Score: 1

      Well, the same thing is forbidden in Judaism and in some branches of Christianism. But Islamic geometric arts are way more developed than either.

    19. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Islamic is the stamp westerners give it.
      Arabs or Persians would simply call it: arabic art and persian art.

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    20. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Islam spread 500-1000 years later.
      But you are right, Mohamed 'artificially designed' his religion with the explicit goal to convert, conquer or destroy as many pagan tribes around his home regions as possible.

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    21. Re: How much is "ISlamic" by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      So because some random people somewhere else did something bad, you get a free pass to do evil things.

      Cool story, Ahmed. Don't you have some gays to kill or something?

      This story was originally about Islamic geometric art in a computer game. It wasn't me who took that discussion onto a totally different tangent and turned it into a flamewar aimed at proving that Islam is somehow more inherently violent, evil and vile than all other cultures. That honour belongs completely to you and your bigoted xenophobic friends. You might as well have turned a discussions about the pros and cons of Toyota Land Cruisers into a discussion about on Japanese military's conduct during WWII. Discussing atrocities committed by Islamic armies during the Islamic conquest may be a very valid topic of discussion however it never ceases to amaze me how you wing nuts manage to get to a place like that from something as mundane as an article on geometric art in one of the first posts on the thread.

    22. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by Freischutz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why? The topic is about Islam. The past of Islam and how it has influenced the art and culture is the topic. Why can no one mention the reality of what "change in religion" means in that time without feeling your shame and condescension?

      By your standard everyone lives in a glass house because the past is horrible compared to today. Does that mean no one can talk of any culture or any past transgression unless it's their own culture? What happens if those in that culture refuse to critizise their past, I guess that means it was all rainbows and unicorn farts, and "just a change in religion" means nothing more than a friendly door knock like this.

      If I remember correctly, the topic of this thread was Islamic geometric art. It was you and your xenophobic alt-right buddies who turned it into some mystic ceremony where you all gather in a circle and hate Islam. Dragging the Islamic conquest into a discussion about Islamic art is about as relevant as dragging the massacre at Wounded Knee war into a discussion about the art of Jackson Pollock. All I did was burn you alt-right drones for going on a pretty stupid xenophobic tangent from a harmless discussion on geometric art in computer games. Just because some random mundane thing is in your mind 'Islamic', like geometric art or falafel recipes that doesn't mean you have some sort of god given right to bother the rest of us by dragging your asinine xenophobic political agenda into it without getting a dissenting opinion.

    23. Re: How much is "ISlamic" by dwpro · · Score: 1

      It's true that any religious text or theology can be twisted and taken out of context, and that humans are violent creatures. However, when your religion is founded on the principles of a fanatical warlord, an honest interpretation of the text can and often does lead to harmful and destructive behavior. It's not fair to single out Islam here, but to put it on all fours with Buddhism betrays a lack of understanding of what's actually in the texts, or takes the position that theology does not significantly affect human behavior.

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    24. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      That and your parent is actually incorrect.
      Islam and judaism forbids depicting of god, not of humans.
      However some branches argue, that god created man in his image, and hence depicting of humans is prohibited, too.
      However there is plenty of islamic art that actually does depict humans.

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    25. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by NotPeteMcCabe · · Score: 1

      How embarrassing that this comment, full of prejudice and not at all relevant to the game in question, has been modded insightful.

    26. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      You sure are quick to name calling. Without shaming and condescension you really don't have much an argument. Let's recap to make sure we both remember correctly.

      1) Article about Geometry in Islamic art turned game.
      2) post lamenting if it is Islamic if it was stolen during conquest.
      3) your whataboutism.
      4) my contention of your whataboutism and your shaming and your condescension.
      5) you continue shame and condescension.

      You put Islam on a pedestal beyond reproach and claim others are the bigots for pointing out history. When it is you who use shame, condescension and hate to shut others out. Did it ever occur to you that "how" Islamic art came to be could matter in a conversation about Islamic art? Do you think the early influences (whether by conquest or not) is relevant? If not then art history should never be studied again. Do those early cultures get any credit to influencing Islamic art? Or are you going to white wash history so you don't have to question a religion that is beyond criticism? After-all, unless you are islamic then you cannot criticize islam according to your ridiculous glass house standard.

      Here is a thought, so what if the art was from conquest? How is that different than any other culture?... See, no whataboutism, it derrides the point of OP without shame or condescension, it treats islam as equals to other cultures, and it actually allows for those early influences to be relevant to a conversation about art (you know, art history). Others have responded to OP this way and they are not getting the same ridicule as you.

      You suck at conversation. You limit discussion. You contribute more to hatred and bigotry than anything OP said or implied. You are a hate-filled bigot. Get over yourself.

    27. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by losfromla · · Score: 1

      dRrumpft is fat, orange, and stupid. He didn't earn his university entrance nor his degree, those were bought by his dad. He is also a terrible businessman and that is why he doesn't want to show his tax returns. He's embarrassed about them, same as his wife is embarrassed to be seen in public with the orangutan occupying the WH.

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    28. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by losfromla · · Score: 1

      I thought it was christianity with all their missions and religious education.

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    29. Re: How much is "ISlamic" by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      A religion is not the same thing as the foundational texts - I would argue that how it is actually taught and practiced is far more important than the contents of its scripture. Buddhism's teachings were handed down orally for much of its history, so those texts don't even exist in the same way that they do for Islam, or even Christianity and Judaism.
      And the point I made wasn't that one religion is as bad as, or as good as another. It was that religion isn't the CAUSE of these problems - it's that religion is a super-convenient excuse used to justify actions that are innately human. That's why you see the same thing happen with just about any religion. Blaming the religion rather than the people isn't terribly helpful, especially in this context, when TFA is about someone making something cool inspired by their religion.

    30. Re: How much is "ISlamic" by losfromla · · Score: 1

      The warlord that killed all the first-born son's in Egypt? The one that destroyed the cities of Soddom and Gomorah because they partied hard? The one that promises eternal fires and damnation to those who in a few decades on earth don't make the fortuitous decision to follow jesus? Yeah, that's a pretty twisted religion.

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    31. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by losfromla · · Score: 1

      You forgot your sarcasm, or j/k tag. I hope.

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    32. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      You sure are quick to name calling. Without shaming and condescension you really don't have much an argument. Let's recap to make sure we both remember correctly.

      1) Article about Geometry in Islamic art turned game. 2) post lamenting if it is Islamic if it was stolen during conquest. 3) your whataboutism. 4) my contention of your whataboutism and your shaming and your condescension. 5) you continue shame and condescension.

      You put Islam on a pedestal beyond reproach and claim others are the bigots for pointing out history. When it is you who use shame, condescension and hate to shut others out. Did it ever occur to you that "how" Islamic art came to be could matter in a conversation about Islamic art? Do you think the early influences (whether by conquest or not) is relevant? If not then art history should never be studied again. Do those early cultures get any credit to influencing Islamic art? Or are you going to white wash history so you don't have to question a religion that is beyond criticism? After-all, unless you are islamic then you cannot criticize islam according to your ridiculous glass house standard.

      Here is a thought, so what if the art was from conquest? How is that different than any other culture?... See, no whataboutism, it derrides the point of OP without shame or condescension, it treats islam as equals to other cultures, and it actually allows for those early influences to be relevant to a conversation about art (you know, art history). Others have responded to OP this way and they are not getting the same ridicule as you.

      You suck at conversation. You limit discussion. You contribute more to hatred and bigotry than anything OP said or implied. You are a hate-filled bigot. Get over yourself.

      A pedestal beyond reproach? I just questioned how the hell one gets from a discussion about Islamic geometric art in computer games to a xenophobic sermon about the universal evil that you boys consider Islam to be. Every damn time two people on the internet start talking about anything even remotely connected to Islam or the cultures practicing that religion (such as a race-politically loaded and dangerous discussion about Islamic geometric art) one of you alt-right drones sees him/herself duty bound to materialise in a puff of smoke like a genie from Steve Bannon's cursed lamp and start trying to turn the discussion into some grand debate about bad things that people practicing Islam did at some point in history and they try to tar all moslems with the same brush. And ....sure enough, here you are again, trying to rationalise how it is essential to turn a harmless discussion of Islamic geometric art in computer games to a discussion about atrocities committed by Islamic armies over a thousand years ago and having trouble with that even because one has f**k all to do with the other.

    33. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      k.

      troll harder next time.

    34. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      xenophobic sermon

      Hyperbole much? Pointing out history is not xenophobic.

      one of you alt-right

      What have I said that is even remotely alt-right? What did op say that was alt-right? I don't eve think you know what xenophobia or alt-right is if you think anything I have written are those things.

      some grand debate about bad things that people practicing Islam did at some point in history and they try to tar all moslems with the same brush

      How did OP or I tar all Muslims with the same brush as historical Muslims? Islam has done and still does bad things. Do you get on the same mouth frothing rant when someone says "Christians were bad in the past"?

      ow it is essential to turn a harmless discussion of Islamic geometric art

      What is the history of that art? Does it include the conquest of cultures that had an early influence on the geometric art? You are arbitrarily limiting the discussion because you seem uncomfortable acknowledging history. Many "harmless" discussions end up dragging up the past for whatever reason, do you have the same mouth foaming reaction or do you think Islam should be treated differently?

      about atrocities committed by Islamic armies over a thousand years ago and having trouble with that even because one has f**k all to do with the other

      If the conquered culture influenced the art in question then it is relevant. I hope you have the same fervent defense of religion when it isn't islam.

    35. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by losfromla · · Score: 1

      I was just dropping to your level of argument quality. However, unlike you, I made patently true statements.

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    36. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      What is the history of that art? Does it include the conquest of cultures that had an early influence on the geometric art? You are arbitrarily limiting the discussion because you seem uncomfortable acknowledging history. Many "harmless" discussions end up dragging up the past for whatever reason, do you have the same mouth foaming reaction or do you think Islam should be treated differently?

      If the conquered culture influenced the art in question then it is relevant. I hope you have the same fervent defense of religion when it isn't islam.

      So by that same logic because European crusader armies destroyed Islamic civilisations in Spain and the Levant, stole from then the technology that enabled Europeans to smelt high quality steel in large quantities, knowledge that later enabled the Industrial revolution, it is fair and indeed quite essential to turn any discussion of steel working into a discussion on the dangers of Christianity and the atrocities committed by Christians during the Crusades? ... or does your logic only apply to Islam?

    37. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      kek. power to ya even if delusional.

    38. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by penandpaper · · Score: 1

      , it is fair and indeed quite essential to turn any discussion of steel working into a discussion on the dangers of Christianity and the atrocities committed by Christians during the Crusades?

      Depends on context of the discussion but for the most part it's fair but nothing is ever essential (I never argued it was essential).

      Frankly, if we wanted to compare the two discussions it would be:
      1) Article describing European steel work and art in a game
      2) lamenting on whether it is European if early metallurgy/steel work was stolen during the crusades

      I think that is perfectly fair and valid. However, if there was an article describing steel working processes for European industrial needs then lamenting on early metallurgy/steel working being stolen is irrelevant to the conversation. See the difference?

      When it comes to art or culture - history is always relevant because everything about art and culture is shaped by the past.

    39. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by losfromla · · Score: 1

      I accept your delusional "power to ya"

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    40. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      In my country, christianization took place in the 9th-10th century, so Islam spread in the 14th-19th century or so? I thought it spread basically at the same time.

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    41. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Islam was founded around 500 (I guess one could look up the correct date), so depending on region, they spread the same time. But considering the geographical center of each "movement" islam was 500 years after christianity.
      Then again you could count the various waves ... which probably intersected but did not overlap ... to lazy to check :D

      So: you are Nordic then, or from far east Europe?

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    42. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Here comes Chrisq again to show just how little he understands of the things he decided to hate. Jog on, Oswald.

    43. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      Here comes Chrisq again to show just how little he understands of the things he decided to hate. Jog on, Oswald.

      Strange that you don't hate rape gangs, murder of apostates, curtailing of free speech, subjugation of women, and sex slavery. Oh I know ... that would be Islamophobic, anything but that!

    44. Re:How much is "ISlamic" by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      I thought I would just point out a few things: (1) the alt-right is a few thousand people. They wouldn't fill a high school basketball auditorium. Constantly shouting that anyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi is a child's approach to argument. (2) Xenophobia is an irrational fear. It is not irrational to fear the holy warriors of Islam. If they ever win, they will throw people like you off of buildings.

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  2. Urgent PC agenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    2D games made by millennial minorities? Let's discuss all of those in a stupid app store. Mere hundreds of thousands..

  3. Arabic culture destroyed by religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It's kind of sad to see what religion has done to a culture that valued science.

    1. Re:Arabic culture destroyed by religion by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      In the renaissance.

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    2. Re:Arabic culture destroyed by religion by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So ... the US pumped massive amounts of top notch military hardware into the Shah regime in Persia to make it the fourth largest army on this planet, then hired that Ayatollah guy to kick the Shah out and install a sharia regime? Then hired that Saddam guy living next door to start a war against them to destroy all that nice military hardware?

      Y...eah. That makes lots of sense.

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    3. Re:Arabic culture destroyed by religion by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the crusades, the Iberian reconquista and the fall of the ottoman empire.

    4. Re:Arabic culture destroyed by religion by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      It was a combination of revolt against the Shah's modernism and schizophrenia in the US political establishment that let the CIA really make its own foreign policy and depose a democratically elected and pro-western leader for shits and giggles. Political goals and internal goals were different in the USA at that time with the change in CIA director multiple times in a short window coinciding with the downright bipolar treatment of Iran pre-revolution.

    5. Re:Arabic culture destroyed by religion by gtall · · Score: 2

      Modern day America?

    6. Re:Arabic culture destroyed by religion by Gryle · · Score: 1


      The Soviets, not the US, invaded Afghanistan in 1979 following a communist-led coup that spiraled out of control. Things were pretty nasty before the US got involved. Try to keep some perspective.

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    7. Re:Arabic culture destroyed by religion by Gryle · · Score: 1

      The Wikipedia page on the Islamic Golden Age makes for some interesting reading on that. I remember a talk I heard a while back given by a Saudi Arabian science fiction writer on the downfall of literature in Arabic culture. You have 1001 Nights and then....mostly nothing. The author blamed it on a particularly reactionary Caliphs who felt people were neglecting spiritual matters in their pursuit of worldly knowledge. Unfortunately I've misplaced my note from that lecture and my Google-fu is failing me so I can't provide you any further sources at the moment.

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    8. Re:Arabic culture destroyed by religion by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      Well, we did manage to cross the Atlantic and find a number of civilizations filled to the brim with gold that could not withstand the battlehardned European soldiers, armed with steel, gunpowder, disease and full of religious zeal. This gave Europe an unprecedented option to conquer and expand, first to the Americas, and later Africa, Asia and then the Islamic world (when the Ottoman Empire was collapsing). The profits from the transatlantic conquests and subsequent triangular trade and colonies is what launched and fueled the Renaissance and the Industrial revolution.

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    9. Re:Arabic culture destroyed by religion by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Reza and Saddam were US puppets, but Khomeini? C'mon.

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  4. Re:Just say no to Engare by bistromath007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's just geometric designs, guy. Look at the video, there's nothing about Islam itself here. It is simply inspired by a particular cultural influence.

  5. I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by andrewbaldwin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An interesting geometrical application -yet what do the first 9 comments focus on? the word "Islamic". As I understand it (and I'm not a Muslim) creation of images is frowned upon (from the Jewish old testament commandment about graven images) so a lot of Islamic art is based on calligraphy and patterns (incl. some geometrically interesting tessellations).

    Slashdot used to be a good site for technically minded people - over the past year or two it's degenerated into yet another cesspool of bigotry and hatred - whether it be based on religion, women, gun control, Brexit or US politics.

    Save your bile for Facebook, Twitter and other similar sites and let Slashdot return to its roots in its anniversary year

    1. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny
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    2. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by geekymachoman · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Because in 2017 when they put a word such as "islamic" in something, it's (usually) never naive. In many cases it's reported BECAUSE it's 'ISLAMIC', and people caught up on that, and people are sick of that, which for example, a person like Trump won presidential elections. Especially if it's coming from left leaning media. It's actually sad. TBH, if I wrote the article, I would drop the word "islamic" all together, it's irrelevant. I'm against censoriship, euphemisms, and word manipulation for PC purposes, but int his case.. I would word it differently.

    3. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Geek culture in general and tech in particular are populated by white male reactionary bigot misogynist nazis. I have to ask, where have you been the last couple of years? This site has covered the topic extensively.

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    4. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Broader internet access has destroyed most value in online communications. Trolling became a past-time for children as they gained access, especially constant access. Now they have grown older but not wiser, and the next batches of children have been ever worse having grown only seeing increasingly fallen versions of former communities. Only academic and journal websites have any merit, and even they are in danger of being lost. As said in Aliens (#2), the only option left to fix it is to nuke it all from orbit.

    5. Re: I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Christian art like Gregorian chants? It is typically referred to by period (Renaissance, Baroque, etc.) more than named as a whole, while Islamic art is commonly referred to as exactly that because western audiences use a different system for years and eras.

    6. Re: I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      Islamic art is named because if Muslims draw a person they will be killed. Thus it's all geometric shapes and such.

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    7. Re: I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      No! That's like saying "modern art isn't godly because it doesn't have grey-haired and grey-bearded white dudes floating on clouds". Styles vary, and Islamic art is focused on words and calligraphy as well as repeating patterns of amazing sophistication. Weaving is absolutely an art and a science when math is applied like this.

    8. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by gtall · · Score: 1

      Religion is based on bigotry. It abhors the Other. I used to think Buddhism was different, then I saw what it did to the Rohingya. Do we hear a peep out of the non-Burmese Buddhists? Nope, not even the Dalai Lama can be arsed to speak up about these atrocities.

    9. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I agree this isn't exactly a revelation. But it's still sad when this site prides itself on being nerdy (a group that's often marginalized, even in today's society) and libertarian (do what you want so long as it doesn't harm others).

      So then something about math (nerdy) and art (harmless) gets posted and the majority of the discussion is all fear mongering about a tiny radical cell of Muslims that for most of this site's viewership is thousands of miles away. I couldn't imagine being so terrified every single day. The mere mention of Islam sets these people off, and they can't control it.

      I think the worst of it, though, are the comments that are completely oblivious to the fact that Muslim art is abstract, and they're sitting at +5 Insightful. I know everyone says this site's going to shit, and it's not what it used to be (I've been around for a looooong time despite never making an account), but this is truly sad.

    10. Re: I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by gtall · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ever check what the Christian Right has in store for America? It is not much different than what Islam would like to do to America.

      Christians and Muslims are fine, until they become overwhelming majorities. Then they turn into authoritarian dicks.

    11. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Wait a minute, I thought you can't judge a religion by the actions of a small group? Or does that only apply to Islam?

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    12. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by RedK · · Score: 1

      Slashdot used to be a good site for technically minded people - over the past year or two it's degenerated into yet another cesspool of bigotry and hatred - whether it be based on religion, women, gun control, Brexit or US politics.

      You`re right, Slashdot has become bigoted. People like you refuse to tolerate other people's opinion.

      Such much bigotry in the quoted sentence.

      *sigh*. At least learn what the word bigot means if you're going to try to use it. The problem is that Slashdot articles have increasingly focused on things like politics, religion or gender, not that comments have become more "bigoted" as you put it. The bigotry comes from the side that says "any post that disagrees with me is Hate Speech".

      Look, we can say the wage gap is a myth based off incomplete data, and that's not bigotry or hate speech, no matter how much you don't like Facts and Truth. Don't want to hear about it ? Ask Slashdot to stop posting about an imaginary wage gap, it's not news for nerds or stuff that matters to this forum's audience.

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    13. Re: I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      Ever check what the Christian Right has in store for America? It is not much different than what Islam would like to do to America.

      Christians and Muslims are fine, until they become overwhelming majorities. Then they turn into authoritarian dicks.

      Ah yes the Christian right boogeyman. Way worse than an America full of illegal non-English speaking types waving other countries flags. Far worse than Antifa beating anyone they suspect of being wrong in their eyes. And the horrors of only two bathrooms ... how would one ever live under such oppression? Far better that we shout down anyone who disagrees with our benevolent view and prevent them from even speaking lest anyone believe their blasphemy.

    14. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      You are an idiot if you can't even acknowledge the genuine developments of Islamic culture. I hope you are being paid well Sven/Ivan/whatever name you really have. Try not to drink all your bonus in one day.

    15. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      You are one exceptionally retarded faggot.

    16. Re: I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by NeoMorphy · · Score: 1

      Ever check what the Christian Right has in store for America? It is not much different than what Islam would like to do to America.

      Christians and Muslims are fine, until they become overwhelming majorities. Then they turn into authoritarian dicks.

      I think it's been a long time since Christians stoned someone to death for blasphemy. Meanwhile, there are multiple muslim communities that still practice it. They don't even hide it, it's documented in their penal codes!

      I wouldn't assume someone is either muslim or christian. I'm pretty sure that there more options, including atheism. So defending muslims by comparing them to the "Christian Right" is like saying Shaytan is no worse than Satan.

    17. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by doctorvo · · Score: 1

      You are an idiot if you can't even acknowledge the genuine developments of Islamic culture.

      You're moving the goalposts. We were talking about Islamic art, not Islamic culture. How has Islamic art contributed to art in general?

      If you want to talk about culture more generally, I think we should "acknowledge" the developments of Islamic culture the same way we should acknowledge the developments of any other totalitarian, oppressive, and murderous culture: by always reminding people that any positive contributions of such a culture need to be seen in the context of the massive harm that that culture has caused.

    18. Re: I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      What an idiotic statement. Show me an art historian who doesn't think both Islamic and Christian art are important, and I'll show you a chimp in a smock.

    19. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points, I would definitely give you +1, Insightful.

    20. Re: I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      Do non-english speaking "types" have the majority in both houses of congress and the presidency? Does antifa have so much as a single seat in any state legislature? Who's the one talking about marginal boogeymen, and who's talking about a group that has near-total control of government?

    21. Re: I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      You are an idiot if you can't even acknowledge the genuine developments of Islamic culture.

      AC left out deadly mass riots over cartoons, and the targeted killing of cartoonists; another fine development unique to Islamic culture. Let's not also forget the modern-day state executions for witchcraft which is carried out in the bastion of Islamic culture that is Saudi Arabia. Did you know they also have a city where it is a criminal act to enter it if you are not muslim?

      Indeed, such developments are worthy of note.

    22. Re: I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      Do non-english speaking "types" have the majority in both houses of congress and the presidency? Does antifa have so much as a single seat in any state legislature? Who's the one talking about marginal boogeymen, and who's talking about a group that has near-total control of government?

      I live in California. The inmates I mock very much run the asylum. So while you fear Christians being authoritarian dicks I get to see daily just what liberals do in that position. I see the hypocrisy of saying that you support mass immigration then going to pricey neighborhoods that only have illegals around for lawn and housekeeping. I see people complain about the high cost of housing but not being bright enough to figure out that letting in another few million will only hurt that. Same argument applies to traffic as another few million on the road won't help anyone's commute. I'll take my chances with the Christians any day.

    23. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      'Islamic' is absolutely not irrelevant.
      It perfectly describes about what patterns we are talking here.
      You could call it arabic or persian though, but then the majourity of readers would need to guess about what you are talking.

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    24. Re: I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      That is wrong.
      I suggest to google. You would find e.g. http://www.visual-arts-cork.co...

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    25. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      What about dance and music? Or is that not art?
      Islamic culture/ruling was not ever oppressive. And it is not in our days. Only a few countries are affected.
      The Nazis were basically christians ... nevertheless everywhere where they ruled, you would call them nazi oppressors, not christian oppressors.

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    26. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      You forget to mention that the Rohingya are muslims. And the natives in south asia are scared to hell by the 'slow islamic invasion'.
      I'm not saying it is justified ... but if you want to talk about religions then don't take it one wayed.

      Btw: Myanmar is ruled by a military junta. That has probably much more to do with the expelling of the Rohingya than religion.

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    27. Re: I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      It is actually not very hard to be "not blasphemic".

      I'm an atheist. I feel absolutely no urge to mock other peoples religions or blaspheme their priests, temples, religions etc.

      Either you have respect for humans or not, if you 'believe' you have respect, then respect their religions, too.

      Then you can ignore the penal code, as you never are covered by it.

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    28. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Muslim countries, of course, have dance and music, but those are national or regional art forms, not Islamic art forms.
      With the same argument you could argue there are no Christian art forms except "painting" Bibles.

      Islam is inherently and expressly totalitarian; read the Quran.
      Lol, which part you mean?

      Christianity itself makes a strong distinction between church and state
      No it does not. That is a modern invention.

      I don't know of any predominantly Muslim country that is not "affected" by the totalitarian nature of Islam.
      Affected as there ares terrorists yes. Affected that the government is pushing Islam or using Sharia law, no.
      E.g. Marocco, Tunisia, before Erdogan Turkey, now more and more Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia. All countries with mostly Islamic population.

      A few Muslim countries tried to secularize and become liberal democracies "from the top down", but they seem to be failing one by one; liberal democracy is simply not compatible with Islam.
      Of course it is. In the old times the califs where elected. At least when the last one had no hires. About many things always was voted. Of course only amoung the nobility, as in the Roman republic.

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    29. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by doctorvo · · Score: 1

      With the same argument you could argue there are no Christian art forms except "painting" Bibles.

      Correct! Glad you're keeping up.

      Christianity itself makes a strong distinction between church and state

      No it does not. That is a modern invention.

      I said that Christianity "makes a strong distinction between church and state"; as such it is part of a group of religions that allows for separation of church and state (Buddhism is another one of those). It's also not a "modern invention"; separation of church and state has been implemented many times over the past several millennia. In the West, however, separation of church and state was first implemented by Christians (not atheists as you might think).

      Lol, which part you mean?

      All of it: total submission to Allah and his will and rule, government of Muslims by Muslims, religious rules for everything from prayer to personal hygiene.

      Affected that the government is pushing Islam or using Sharia law, no. E.g. Marocco, Tunisia, before Erdogan Turkey, now more and more Egypt, Indonesia, Malaysia. All countries with mostly Islamic population.

      I have dated guys from several of those countries and they are horrible countries for gay men due to Islam; homosexuality is punished with imprisonment in many of them. Atheism is illegal in several of those countries. So your idea that they demonstrate that Islam can be liberal is ludicrous and ignorant.

      Of course it is. In the old times the califs where elected. At least when the last one had no hires. About many things always was voted. Of course only amoung the nobility, as in the Roman republic.

      I said liberal democracy is simply not compatible with Islam. Democracy that violates the rights of minorities and that violates individual liberties, is, of course, compatible with Islam.

    30. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Yes. separation of church and state in the west was implemented first by Christians. and before that Christians did not have a separation of Church and state. That was my point.

      There are countries like this and like that. Homosexuality was illegal in Germany till mis 1980s. When were the relevant laws in the US removed?

      You are constantly mixing up social development with religion. Both are two different things. Islam does not forbid homosexuality, Some islamic countries however might. But you mix it up constantly and blame islam. Instead of blaming the not working democracy or tyrannic oppression of the king or what ever.

      I see no difference if the catholic church influences a democratic state to make homosexuality illegal versus an islamic imam influencing his society doing so.

      The countries we are talking about, just take all of those with a majourity of islamic religion: they would be exactly the same if they would be christian or had any other religion! Because they are simply just 150 - 300 years out of the middle ages. They simply are few hundred years in mental/social development behind. When the Shah came back to Iran in the 1950s, the country was on the exact same level as in the year 500, except for a few hundred cars in Teheran.

      The problems there are social, humanistic of nature and not of religion nature. Claiming otherwise only shows that you have no clue about religions. Or history.

      I said liberal democracy is simply not compatible with Islam. Democracy that violates the rights of minorities and that violates individual liberties, is, of course, compatible with Islam.
      Yeah, and where in the Quoran is that written? Hu? That is your _idiotic_ opinion, and not a fact that comes from any interpretation of the religion.

      Atheism is illegal in several of those countries That was true all over in Europe under christian reign, too! Worse than a Pagan is a godless person as he is the true vessel of demons/satan ... and much harder to convert.

      So all your arguments like: but look, there homosexuality is banned, there atheism is banned all that: has nothing too do with the religion called Islam.

      It has to do with power! People and structures that have power don't want to lose it. This are partly imams and partly nobility. Partly terrorists groups payed by men in the back.

      And instead of polluting your readers minds with the hate of your ignorance: I suggest to visit such countries and look for your self. Or check youtube and watch some documentaries. E.g. Morocco/Marocco ... how ever they mostly speak french there ;)

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    31. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by doctorvo · · Score: 1

      Because they are simply just 150 - 300 years out of the middle ages. They simply are few hundred years in mental/social development behind.

      Well, so you agree then that what we call "Christianity" today is compatible with liberal democracy, while what we call "Islam" today is "a few hundred years in mental/social development behind" and hence both totalitarian and incompatible with liberal democracy.

      Whether Islam will be able to turn into something that is compatible with liberal democracy in a few hundred years or not is of no interest to current political decisions. We can certainly not allow Islam to follow the same path that Christianity followed towards liberalization, because Christian liberalization involved mass murder and destruction on a global scale.

      And instead of polluting your readers minds with the hate of your ignorance

      To quote you again: Muslims "simply are few hundred years in mental/social development behind". So you just agreed with me on the essential point.

    32. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I don't agree that Islam is incompatible with democracy. Regarldess what label (e.g 'liberal').

      I only agree that the cultures in the mainly Islamic regions lived still in the middle ages 100 - 300 years ago. And my conclusion is: regardles what religion they had now, they would behave the same! And if you looked over various 'islamic' countries, you would see that they have huge differences in culture and expressing their religion, and many are actually democratic.

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    33. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by doctorvo · · Score: 1

      I don't agree that Islam is incompatible with democracy. Regarldess what label (e.g 'liberal').

      We agree: Islam is not incompatible with democracy; but then, neither are slavery, racism, fascism, forced sterilization, socialism, and all sorts of other oppressive policies and ideologies. How do we know? Because they have all occurred in democracies: there have been, and continue to be, a lot of really awful democracies in the world. What Islam is incompatible with is not democracy, but liberalism, tolerance, and equal rights.

      And if you looked over various 'islamic' countries, you would see

      I have almost certainly been to more Islamic countries than you ever will. I have probably also slept with more (ex-)Muslim men than you, who have generally taken a rather dim view of Islam themselves.

    34. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Well,
      I don't sleep with men :D

      What Islam is incompatible with is not democracy, but liberalism, tolerance, and equal rights.
      Again: that has nothing to do with Islam. But the "mind set" of the people living in such environments.

      Some males hate woman, only want to fuck/rape them. That the a good deal of them live in islamic countries is not the fault of Islam. It is the fault of their mothers/fathers that they have no respect for woman. Same for any other issue. (And: 1500 years ago, it was the same in Europe or later America, Christians raped and fucked everything they could. No one in our days would call "Christianity" incompatible with democracy etc. )

      I have almost certainly been to more Islamic countries than you ever will.
      Been more: yes.
      Ever will be: unlikely. I retire in a year or two ...

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    35. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by doctorvo · · Score: 1

      Again: that has nothing to do with Islam. But the "mind set" of the people living in such environments

      That’s what defines any religion: the “mind set” of its followers.

      1500 years ago it was the same in Europe

      Religious mass murder and war was common in Europe as little as a few centuries ago. And I wouldn’t want a European Christian from 1500 years ago, or even 200 years ago, as a neighbor or immigrant. Heck, I don’t want even most 21st century Europeans anywhere near me.

    36. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Thatâ(TM)s what defines any religion: the âoemind setâ of its followers.
      Only if that mindset has anything to do with the religion, otherwise not.
      That was my point.

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    37. Re:I thought Slashdot was for nerds and geeks by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      If you think so ...

      I suggest to study your enemy ... instead of having wild ideas. That might help if you actually have/want to fight him.

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  6. Re:Just say no to Engare by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Dude, that's like saying we should ban the color red because that's the color of commies and if we keep looking at red we'll at one day think that Communism is a fine idea.

    We're talking an art style here. Frankly, if you think an art style is going to influence your children, please take them to a museum, you might end up with better kids.

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  7. Is it fun? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That is the only question that matters.

  8. Awesome by inicom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I haven't seen such a fun pattern-based game since some of the early mandelbrot fractal generators. Cool concept and execution.

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  9. Re: Just say no to Engare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They let people trade kids at the museum?

  10. Spirograph by amalcolm · · Score: 2

    Does anyone remember the children's toy Spirograph? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....
    The game's introduction reminded me of that.

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    1. Re:Spirograph by inicom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      definitely, except more complex patterns that spirograph was capable of. The real-time flexibility of adjusting the patterns (and the apparent ability to morph into 3-d projections) are really neat.

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    2. Re:Spirograph by antdude · · Score: 1

      Yep, remember LOGO too? ;)

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  11. Re:Just say no to Engare by war4peace · · Score: 1

    Wow, you definitely won the "retard of the day" award.

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  12. Re:Just say no to Engare by Jzanu · · Score: 1

    I wish! But this is the 2017 slashdot, and you know its going to take an Oprah style "Now look under your chairs! You're all the idiots of the day!" announcement to be comprehensive within even an hour on this story and the others to be posted. At least until the Russian troll- brigades change shifts and the school kids wake up, then it will shift from politically useful advocation of racism and intolerance to simple idiocy.

  13. Re:Just say no to Engare by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More to the point, it's basically a digital spirograph (remember those? :) ). Which, the question it raises to me is... why did it take so long before someone thought to make a digital spirograph?

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  14. Re: Just say no to Engare by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Well, kinda. You have lots of adults who enjoy it and lots of bored kids that were taken along and start wandering off. I just did what any sane person would do.

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  15. Re:This also includes: by DaveyJJ · · Score: 1

    So you're talking about Genesis 11, Deuteronomy 21, and the third bit somewhere in Exodus ... wait, you're only mocking *one* of the three misogynistic, err, montheistic desert fairytales, err, religions. Pot == kettle.

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  16. Re:Just say no to Engare by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Indeed, you can study mathematics without any religion. You don't even need a silly game for it. Just read a nice math book, and learn some simple geometric programming. I think it's much more fun anyway.

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  17. Re:Just say no to Engare by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Informative

    why did it take so long before someone thought to make a digital spirograph?

    What exactly took so long?

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  18. Cool geometry game by McGregorMortis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My son asked me to get Geometry Dash for him on his iPad. "Cool," I thought, "he wants a geometry game."

    Such a disappointment. The game has no geometry whatsoever, and I have to hear the same annoying pounding electronic music repeated endlessly whenever we drive anywhere.

    This is the game that Geometry Dash should have been.

  19. Re:Just say no to Engare by clickety6 · · Score: 1

    Or a simple flash one...

    https://www.mathplayground.com...

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  20. Re:Just say no to Engare by mean+pun · · Score: 1

    Indeed, you can study mathematics without any religion. You don't even need a silly game for it. Just read a nice math book, and learn some simple geometric programming. I think it's much more fun anyway.

    The game is about more than only mathematics. It also explains the art and culture of these particular geometric figures. And yes, culture here includes an Islamic component. Just like a book about Japanese brush painting would quite likely refer to Zen Buddhism.

    Of course, 'silly' and 'fun' is in the eye of the beholder. Personally I would say that this particular subject lends itself to interaction and hence a computer game. The great news is that you're not required to buy the game.

  21. oil by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Yep, prior to around the end of WW1, NO ONE really gave two hoots to the middle east. Once oil was discovered, the British, divided up areas of the middle east along what they wanted, not ancient trial boundaries. If the day comes that alternative energy sources finally replace oil, everyone will just go back to not giving two hoots to anyone in the middle east!

    1. Re:oil by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Once oil was discovered, the British, divided up areas of the middle east along what they wanted, not ancient trial boundaries.

      They were a darn site better at drawing lines than you are at placing commas.

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  22. Re:Just say no to Engare by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    This seems like a way to introduce people to Islamic art, and by extension, to Islam...

    This is the same 'logic' used by those liberals who think that saying "Merry Christmas" will influence people to enslave women and torture heretics.

  23. Re: Just say no to Engare by bistromath007 · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, it doesn't. I just played through the whole thing. The menu screen looks like Alhambra, the music has lots of Mideast influence, and the instructions are in Arabic as well as English, but you wouldn't know that if the only context you had was the game itself, because it explains nothing about Islamic culture. The inspiration is there, but the indoctrination is not.

  24. Spirograph? by plopez · · Score: 1

    I haven't tried the game yet but the description sounds a lot like the Spirograph.

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  25. Islamic? by doctorvo · · Score: 1

    The game mostly seems to consist of drawing cycloids. I'm not sure what's supposed to be "Islamic" about that. Sure, Islamic art uses such patterns a lot, but that's mostly because of Islam's religious prohibitions on the depiction of people.

  26. Re:Just say no to Engare by doctorvo · · Score: 1

    We're talking an art style here.

    We are also talking about the fact that TFA felt a compulsion to associate a common mathematical way of generating patterns with a religion. It's like saying "The Christian Tradition of Portraiture is realized in the Android and iOS Photo App".

  27. Posting this on SlashDot is offensive. by fleabay · · Score: 1

    Would this article be on SlashDot if the game had been made by an average white male American?

    Maybe people think that his kind is so dumb that we should praise them when they get all creative and do stuff.

    Treating people like Pockets Warhol is offensive.

  28. Re:Just say no to Engare by penandpaper · · Score: 1

    Whoa, you used the R* word! Tell me about your communist sympathies.

  29. Re:Just say no to Engare by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 2

    The game looks about as Islamic as Tetris looks Soviet.

  30. Re:Just say no to Engare by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "Dude, that's like saying we should ban the color red because that's the color of commies and if we keep looking at red we'll at one day think that Communism is a fine idea."

    Ahem, we can't ever use a red baseball cap again, and it's not the commies' fault.

  31. Other good geometry games by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    Other good puzzle games include:

    * Pythagorea, iOS, Android
    * Pythagorea 60 iOS, Android
    * The Witness
    * The Talos Principle
     

    1. Re:Other good geometry games by wakawakka · · Score: 1

      For a "real life" geometry game, take a look at the following books from lost art press, they encourage building small and simple tools (a sector, a compass, a divider), then they are filled with similar "puzzles" derived mainly from the ancient greek geometry theorems (how to find this or that perfect shape in a circle) By Hound & Eye From Truths to Tools Here is a small trailer stop motion video for the hound & eye handbook: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    2. Re:Other good geometry games by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      The Talos Principal is also available on iOS

  32. "Destruction" vs. "Assimilation" by gwolf · · Score: 1

    During the peak of growth of Islam, there wasn't an "islamic culture" per se, there was a set of rules, a phylosophy. As it grew (by the means of military or cultural conquests), it *absorbed* and assimilated a lot of what was there before them. Islamic countries became the beacon of development of the world during the dark ages, not because science sprang out in a void,but because they conquered the cultural capitals of the South and East of the Mediterranean. Baghdad, Alexandria, Damascus, Córdoba, and so many other centers of englightenement were *already* important cities when they were conquered. Islam didn't arrive there to destroy their greatness.

  33. Re:Just say no to Engare by WallyL · · Score: 1

    Whoa, you used the R* word! Tell me about your communist sympathies.

    Never go full red?

  34. Re:Just say no to Engare by penandpaper · · Score: 1

    lol, communist confirmed.

  35. BEHOLD God's majesty of creation! IDIC indeed. by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Did you know that there's a direct correlation between the decline of Spirograph and the rise in gang activity?
    Think about it

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  36. Re:Just say no to Engare by pjt33 · · Score: 1

    If it doesn't influence people, is it really an art style? Discuss...

  37. Re:Just say no to Engare by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    The game is about more than only mathematics. It also explains the art and culture of these particular geometric figures. And yes, culture here includes an Islamic component. Just like a book about Japanese brush painting would quite likely refer to Zen Buddhism.

    That's not a very good analogy, though. Math is universal in nature, brush painting isn't. If you were an ancient Mayan, for example, you'd be much more likely to independently reinvent a non-random class geometric figures than Zen-Buddhist brush painting.

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  38. Re:Just say no to Engare by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I'm a Marxist. But of the Groucho variant.

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  39. Re:Just say no to Engare by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Influence them in a cultural or even religious way?

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  40. Re:Just say no to Engare by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Whose is it, Coca Cola's?

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