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Apple iMac Pro Goes on Sale December 14th (engadget.com)
Apple vowed to ship the iMac Pro in December, and it's making good on that promise. From a report: The company has confirmed that its workstation-grade all-in-one will be available on December 14th. It has yet to reveal the exact configuration options, but the $4,999 'starter' model ships with an 8-core Xeon processor, 32GB of RAM, 1TB of solid-state storage and a Radeon Vega graphics chipset with 8GB of RAM. You can option it with up to an 18-core Xeon, 128GB of RAM, a 4TB SSD and a 16GB Vega chipset, although video creator Marques Brownlee notes that you'll have to wait until the new year for that 18-core beast.
Imagine spending $4999 on one of these
Legally run OS X.
For some folks, that's justification.
You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
According to Apple's web site the iMac pro has:
4xThunderbolt 3(USB-C), suppotring 2 additional 5K kmonitors
1X10Gb ethernet (Nbase-T 1,2.5,5,10Gb support)
4XUSB 3
SDXC card slot
and a mini-headphone jack
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If a workstation costs less than $250, it ain’t a workstation in the computing sense.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
It has 8 USB ports so I kind of look at it as $625 per port. My Mac Pro was $4800 and only has 4 USB ports, so I'd say this is a significantly better value than what I have. I'll be waiting outside the Apple Store on Thursday to pick one up.
Xeon CPUs and powerful GPUs inside a pointlessly thin computer with a built-in display? What for? Who the fuck asked for this?
Either the internal heat will kill components prematurely or the thing will make even more jet noise than an old PowerPC G4 tower.
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No FireWire 400.
Lame.
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Dude, the Mac mini is only $499 and also has four USB ports. At only $125 per port, it's a much better value!
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Is it?
Xeon W-2145 - $1113
Cheapest LGA-2066 board available with 10Gb ethernet - $650
32GB DDR4 - $400
1TB 3.2GB/s PCIe SSD - $500
Radeon Vega 56 - $600
5k 27" monitor - $1300
PSU, WiFi + Bluetooth card, wireless keyboard, wireless mouse, thunderbolt card, CPU cooler, case - ~$400
Total - $4963
Seems like it's pretty much in line with how much it would cost to build the same system yourself.
No, the CPU (Xeon W-2145) alone is more expensive than your 1/5th estimate for building it yourself.
Here's a rough sketch of what you'd need to buy to match this system:
Xeon W-2145 - $1113
Cheapest LGA-2066 board available with 10Gb ethernet - $650
32GB DDR4 - $400
1TB 3.2GB/s PCIe SSD - $500
Radeon Vega 56 - $600
5k 27" monitor - $1300
PSU, WiFi + Bluetooth card, wireless keyboard, wireless mouse, thunderbolt card, CPU cooler, case - ~$400
Total - $4963
No SCSI. Hell, I'll bet it doesn't even have a parallel port
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Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
and a mini-headphone jack
They didn't eliminate it? What a bunch of cowards.
"...and a mini-headphone jack"
I wonder if it can be moved to an iPhone.
Great minds think alike; fools seldom differ.
Here, let me help:
It's fun to call our Chromebooks a "workstation", but traditionally that's not remotely what it means.
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
> I can't imagine what these things do that justify that price tag
Well... I'm just going to throw out the suggestion that Apple has a really, really strong brand loyalty factor going for it, and there's going to be an Apple logo on these things...
Very few people have any use for a system like this though, particularly if it's not running Windows.
I fail to see what "running Windows" has to do with the argument. It's obviously aimed at a market point that you have no knowledge of. Multiple 5K displays are most likely of use to people in moving image processing, this relatively big data needs this spec as an absolute minimum nowadays.
I doubt very many will be bought for gaming.
The trash can mac doesn't count. Ah well, guess Apple doesn't want my money any more...
"Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
I'm actually considering buying one...
I like the 5K screen, and need a beefy machine to run something like DaVinci Resolve for video editing, color grading, etc....especially if I start working with 4K footage.
I'm working on old hardware (MBP late 2011, with 16GB ram, SSD card replacement main drive, external thunderbolt work and cache drives)....and even with Photoshop, if I'm working with compositing several RAW files, I can bog my system down.
So, no...you don't really need this if you're just doing email and browsing the web.
I've priced out comparable HP and other systems...and they run well over $5K quickly as you start to beef them up.
And hey...it is a business write off!! Yet another good reason to incorporate yourself.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
For me it's not the shame of the white stickers, but the fact that my Pontiac is white, and so the sticker won't show up very well.
W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
Needs beefy machine.
Runs 2011 MBP.
Do I fail the fanboy test here or does that not make any sense? A (very) small segment of the user population needs a workstation class machine. For those who do and want to run OSX...welp break out the corporate cards. For everyone else, you can get more for less AND not have such a high level of lock-in. Maybe Apple will even let you upgrade this system...!
You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
Xeon CPUs and powerful GPUs inside a pointlessly thin computer with a built-in display? What for? Who the fuck asked for this?
Henry Ford said it best when he said "If I asked my customers what they wanted they would have said a faster horse". Perhaps you are right and nobody wants this but Apple does have a pretty good track record of making products people didn't know they wanted. We'll know soon enough.
Either the internal heat will kill components prematurely or the thing will make even more jet noise than an old PowerPC G4 tower.
I'm glad you could clear that up for us without ever having seen the product.
For those too lazy to click on the link, the Xeon is 25% and 50% faster on the geekbench single- and multi-threaded benchmarks, respectively. To get an idea of why, the Xeon has twice as much L2 cache and almost three times as much L3 (which is shared among all cores, whereas the Ryzen has theirs split into two halves, so data used on all cores will be more expensive to modify).
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A Dell Precision 5720 All-in-one workstation costs $3900, has a Xeon E3-1245, a 4K 27" display, and Radeon Pro WX 7100 graphics. The video upgrade alone on the iMac is $500. Factor in the better processor and display, and they're very comparable price wise. The iMac Pro also has an A10 coprocessor. I don't think the iMac is overpriced at all, considering what you're getting. Obviously your "mission-critical" servers aren't shipping with a 5K display or a $1000 video card, and probably don't have a 1TB SSD drive either. BTW, I call BS on your 1/20th cost, unless you're buying old off-lease servers.
Well, I've been struggling with what I have for a number of years....and right now, the old system doesn't do what I need.
Not to mention, for big purchases, I like to save my nickles and dimes and buy what I want/need with cash and have no buyers remorse...therefore rather than make lots of small purchases, I save up and buy big and best as I can periodically.
Currently, I can bog the little systems down for DAYS at a time with a heavy After Effects render.
And I can't do much with Resolve before it halts things to a snails pace.
So, yes, I'm looking for dropping some coin on a high end workstation type unit, that will hopefully get my preferred workflows going at a manageable speed, and hopefully, last me for a few years to come.
Again, I've looked at something comparable, as recommended by Blackmagic Design, for running Resolve (linux or windows) with the HP Z840...which also get $$$ very quickly.
I did a very quick comparable on the HP z840 to the base iMac pro and it was about $4665...it isn't exact, but is close to what Apple purports the base iMac pro to be. And also, the iMac pro includes the 5K 27" monitor which you would have to add to the HP or other comparable unit.
No, not everyone needs this type of workstation, but if you are wanting to do a good bit of quality video, SPFX and even some high end photography compositing, etc....a nice high end system can make your day and workflow work for you.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
And hey...it is a business write off!! Yet another good reason to incorporate yourself.
I don't know how it works in your jurisdiction, but here in Canada there is no need to incorporate to claim business expenses on your taxes. A computer would be depreciable property though, so you wouldn't be able to claim it all in one year.
Two pops and one push. Or two pushes and one pop.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
You workstations cost $250 with a monitor? What kind of work, typing?
I believe it's actually ECC RAM, which is much more expensive than the conventional desktop variety.
The thing between Microsoft and Apple is, with Apple, you know right from the beginning that they're going to gouge you, but after that they're pretty good. Quality is good. Reliability is good. You don't have to deal with bullshit. (Well, historically this has been true... this past year Apple has done a fantastic job of shoving their reputation through a woodchipper).
Microsoft, on the other hand, will screw you each day, every day, and you will either learn to accept it or throw your hands up and switch to something else. Their quality is shit. Their QA is shit. They demand that they have control of your machine, but they don't want to take responsibility for your machine, with the end result that your computer can go tits up one day through no fault of your own.
As obnoxious as Apple is, there has never been a report, for example, where all Macs across an entire continent were suddenly yanked off the net due to a bad dhcp update. Microsoft has had so many bad updates that have hosed entire fleets of machines, that it's shameful. But because Microsoft has a monopoly, they can get away with it.
Of course, I shouldn't speak too soon because so far I am very unimpressed with High Sierra, iOS 11. They have been buggy messes. And don't get me started on what they've done to their macbooks in recent years. The only reason I haven't gone back to Windows is because Apple and Microsoft seem to be in a "Hold My Beer" competition, and I can't predict how things are going to shake down, so I'll stick with the costs I have already sunk.
WTF, how am I supposed to connect my Zip drive then?
Sounds fishy to me. A business expense is a business expense, it isn't intended to subsidise your hobby. You might get away with claiming your golf clubs - if your main business is teaching golf.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
But you also get expandability, and of particular interest in your specific case Resolve leverages multiple GPUs so if things start to slow down you can simply add another GPU to the HP system and you're good to go, to improve the performance on the iMac you have to scrap the entire system, including the display, and buy a new one.
That is not true -- macOS High Sierra supports external Thunderbolt 3 connected GPUs.
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