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It's So Cold Outside That Sharks Are Actually Freezing to Death (vice.com)
An anonymous reader writes: As climate change ushers in another year of extreme global temperatures -- a phenomenon President Trump seems a little confused about -- cities up and down the East Coast are facing record-breaking snowfall and subzero temperatures. But while city dwellers might be able to hide indoors and crank up the heat, some animals aren't so lucky. According to the Cape Cod-based Atlantic White Shark Conservancy, it's gotten so cold that sharks in the area have been washing up on the shore and essentially freezing to death. This week, the organization responded to three thresher sharks that likely suffered "cold shock" in the surrounding waters. Organisms suffer cold shock when they're exposed to extreme dips in temperature and can sometimes experience muscle spasms or cardiac arrest. Scientists believe the sharks swimming off the coast of Cape Cod -- where temperatures have dropped to 6 degrees -- suffered cold shock in the water, and then wound up getting stranded on the shore, where they likely suffocated. "If you've got cold air, that'll freeze their gills up very quickly," Greg Skomal, a marine scientist, told the New York Times. "Those gill filaments are very sensitive and it wouldn't take long for the shark to die."
Cold is Weather, Hot is Climate.
Want some friggin global warming
what's happening is similar to hypothermia?
"As climate change ushers in another year of extreme global temperatures"
If you disagree with the assertion that it won't snow anymore because of GLOBAL WARMING you are anti-science.
If you disagree with the assertion that it will be cold because of GLOBLAL WAR-- I MEAN CLIMATE CHANGE you are anti-science.
Basically: Literally any observed phenomenon means OMG GLOBAL WAR-- I MEAN CLIMATE CHANGE is real and you are anti-science for even pretending that facts can contradict this religious -- I mean "scientific" -- dogma.
You would think there would be a mention of lasers somewhere in the post. It is Slashdot after all. Sharks, ice, and ... Come ON, it writes itself... how we have fallen.
Trump wins again! He just keeps fucking winning!!!
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A main plot point of Jaws was how unlikely it was for a great white to be attacking people in Amity.
It's unseasonably warm summers that have driven them that far north.
I mean
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So sharks freezing to death is blamed on the pseudo science of global warming?
To me, the real confusion is when we get alarmist stories about global warming when summer gets hot, and that is OK - but if someone does the same thing the other way in a cold winter, that is not OK.
Can we all at least agree that weather is to climate? It sure seems like Climate Alarmists like to ignore that when convenient... and a new trend during the winter is that Climate Alarmists claim some local weather event of extreme cold is because of greenhouse gases, ignoring the role of the jet stream which has been doing it's thing since forever... Come on.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I thought the missing heat (that which caused the pause for most of the first part of this millennia) was accumulating in the ocean...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
It's all the environmentalists fault. If they had simply stuck with global warming, we wouldn't be having this problem. But nooooo, they had to change it to "Climate Change", which opened us up to wild swings in temperature in both directions.
I considered overly hot summers to be an acceptable tradeoff for having mild or almost non-existent winters. But now we have to deal with stupidly hot summers AND stupidly cold winters.
Go back to global warming!
I read the first paragraph of the article - right up to where it berated our President and then I stopped. If this is about real science, and I don't deny climate change, keep the politics out of it and just state the facts. We have plenty of time to do politics here or at the bar or wherever. Also, are these temperatures really record breaking or is that just more hype?
Enough said. Living in New England this is really nothing new. Granted its a few weeks earlier than usual. I just feel bad for the ski areas that can't catch a break going from too warm last year to too cold this year.
Saltwater freezes at 28.4 degrees Fahrenheit. How did these sharks get so cold if they were underwater?
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it dissolve.
Well, there goes my million dollar movie idea: Shark Blizzard.
....gotten
you here the dueling banjos from here.
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You fucking retards are still blaming this on climate change? LMAO!!!!!!!
...oops, I meant Climate Change.
As the arctic is impacted, the currents shift, and the temperature differential from the 80 percent of the world that is much hotter and the colder relative temperatures north cause stronger cold air currents to flow across open bodies of water, increasing snow fall. The melting glacial output from Greenland is also affecting the water temperature at different gradients, making the colder currents.
That's still weather. Weather is driven by current impacts. Climate change is like your car engine, running faster and stronger because you keep pushing the pedal more and more. Even if you stop putting CO2 and other gasses into the atmosphere, the mean lifetime of these emissions is anywhere from 20 to 200 years, so it's like the foot on the pedal is weighted down by all the coffee you've been drinking and you need to: a. stop drinking coffee that makes you want to push down; and b. go to the bathroom and relieve your bladder, so your leg is less heavy. OK, that last one is a bad analogy, but I'm trying to tell you to: a. stop drinking coffee (emissions) and b. go to the bathroom (remove existing emissions, most of which are from 1933 to 1999).
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sharknado 6 ice age sharks!
Gobal warming is freezing cold. Rain is dry. Snow is hot.
What does Slashdot get out of promoting this "global warming" con? You know it's a fraud, we know it's a fraud, so who are you trying to kid?
Fact: We are headed into a Maunder Minimum Ice Age.
The world is rapidly cooling down due to our sun going quiescent and not producing sunspots. Ironically the best hope for our future is to burn more fossil fuel. In fact, burning anything helps restore the carbon ballance.
If you live in an area that permits it, make sure you go into your backyard and burn any scrap material available: tree branches, newspapers, lumber, cardboard boxes, food wrappers and containers. Anything that burns should be cast on your backyard trash pile and ignited regularly tn order to restore the carbon balance.
-- a phenomenon President Trump seems a little confused about --
FFS, I'm no Trump defender, but tossing in random, snarky asides in the summary immediately lowers the quality of the discussion.
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Washing up on the Atlantic Coast: Fresh frozen at the moment of death, delivered directly to your table!
I smell an opportunity!
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During these recent holidays I had a chance to chat with a lot of friends and relatives and other acquaintances, many of whom are various types of scientists, researchers, professors, engineers or medical professionals. These are people who have extensive scientific backgrounds, and who take the scientific method very seriously.
Most of them voiced serious concern about what's going on with so-called climate "science".
These people were concerned about how climate "science" is being politicized, mainly to try to "justify" absurd things like the taxation of carbon.
They were concerned about the lack of consistency coming from so-called climate "scientists".
These people were concerned about climate "science" supporters claiming things like "the science is settled".
They were concerned about how anybody questioning climate "science" is ruthlessly attacked, despite questioning and skepticism being essential aspects of the scientific method.
They were concerned about "adjustments" being made to climate data.
They were concerned about having seen things like an xkcd comic with a hand-drawn graph being used as "evidence" of "climate change".
All of these things coming together were making these scientists, engineers, doctors and other professionals very concerned. The general consensus was that they couldn't trust what's coming out of the field of climate "science". They saw it more as a subjective pseudo-science like sociology or economics, rather than as a rigorous scientific field like biology, physics or chemistry.
They were also concerned about the reputation of science in general. Average people with a limited scientific background are starting to trust scientists and researchers less and less. These average people are starting to see science more like a religion, where claims are made but they often don't correspond to reality.
It was a real eye-opening experience for me to see so many talented and experienced scientists, or people whose craft depends very heavily on science, expressing so much unease about the state of science today.
I really mean it. They have great roast beef sandwiches.
He said I'd get tired of all this winning.
Nope. Still not tired.
Otherwise people might start forming their own opinions
I think the problem is, most "climate change denial" is politically based.
True, but equally true of 99% of the climate change alarmism. Lots of cooking of data and presentation of misleading graphs to make something seem much scarier than it is in reality.
Obviously the climate is changing, and will always continue to do so, including some massive swings. The real issue is, why ware we worried about warming? Never has warming been overly harmful to the the Earth as a whole, and generally supports more varied and diverse life in warmer times.
Yet we are being told to worry about this, mostly for political ends so vast sums of money can be diverted into the right pockets.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Well, there goes my million dollar movie idea: Shark Blizzard.
Maybe so, but that gives ME a million dollar movie idea: Shark Wizard!
Imagine a Spongebob and Harry Potter mashup! Magical!
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
First, I don't see how this is so much of a record. I remember waiting for the school bus in high school in 10 degreeF temps. It didn't happen often, but there were a few mornings. I've been tracking the temperatures here in NC very closely. I'm trying to paint my airplane outside, and I need for it to warm up to finish. We haven't gotten down to 10 yet.
Second, a few days of cold air causes sharks to freeze to death? Why wouldn't it swim a little deeper. A few days of negative temps is not going to cause a significant change in deep water temperatures. Surface temps down to a few feet maybe, but not down at 20/30 ft. Did they just swim to the top, scream "Aaaargh!!" when they hit the cold water at the surface and then roll belly up? I would think there would be more of a gradient where the shark would think, "Damn, it's cold up there. I'm going to go back down this way." Kinda like how we do when we walk outside for our paper in the morning.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
They need Freakin' lasers!
The downstairs heater has been on non-stop for the last 12 hrs. Upstairs is cycling as expected and quite toasty. Not looking forward to the nat-gas bill next month.
Attach frickin' laser beams to their heads
Don't be concerned for the health of the planet when it comes to Global Warming.
I'm not, planet is fine.
The concerns about Global Warming are about how it affects humans and where they have chosen to live.
Seems like currently that is WAY more a political than a climate issue, as millions are today displaced by war.
Otherwise, humans as a species always benefit from a warmer climate because of the wider range of agriculture possible.
WHEN he climate reverts back to an Ice Age, then it's time to horde the few agriculturally viable areas and prepare for billions to die. That's probably the event that will trigger the next large scale nuclear conflict. Global warming is literally saving us all from war.
Many of the largest cities in the world exist on the coastline and it would probably be a bad thing if they ended up under water.
Good thing then they have a hundred years to prepare for a rise of a few feet at worst. At least that is if you are actually paying attention to what actual science says about the matter. and not spreading fear and lies.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I will assume you are not pulling a poe, and are asking an honest question.
Look it is cold in winter, and from a year to the next there are variations. The missing heat is accumulating in ocean. That does not stop winter being cold. look at this serie :
* 10 then -8
* 11 then -8
* 8 then -5
* 12 then -8
* 9 then -5
* 12 then -7
The "high" have not much of a trend, the last high is nearly as big as the first. Neither do the "low" show much, there is evevn a "low" dip at the end. Yet the average increase in the whole serie nearly linearly of 0.5 per points pair. Same with ocean temperature and warmth. It varies being slightly higher in summer (north hemisphere) and slightly lower in winter with year to year variation , but the trend is that the total warmth trapped in the whole ocean get higher with years on. That still does not stop winter being cold.
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I'm sorry, what? Three sharks wash up on the beach and die and it's suddenly an article on climate change and Trump hating? Really grasping for newsworthy stuff?
Surprisingly, those who say they believe in Evolution are scared, upset and distraught when an occurrence easily associated with Evolution happens. Creationists, on the other hand, let the weather/climate do what it will without much of a hubbub. (Just my humble observation.) So Evolutionists, belly up to the bar and have a full-sized drink of what you believe. It tastes good! (And quit whinning!)
Its amazing that certain Americans are so full of hate they can't see or focus on anything else.
Also keep in mind the ocean surface varies more than ocean depth which stays relatively unchanged during the year. AFAIR everything below Bathic depth is at 2-4ÂC roughly.
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How is this matching the science of global warming?
What does Slashdot get out of promoting this "global warming" con? You know it's a fraud, we know it's a fraud, so who are you trying to kid?
Who is perpetrating this fraud? Who benefits? On the other hand, who benefits from the denial of climate change?
You know if the freakin shards would have had their freakin lazers they would have used them to stay warm.
Trump doesn't seem to have anything to do with the news reported so why was he mentioned...?
Someday, you too will be a grownup (a real boy!) and will understand that there are cycles to life, and that they repeat. Getting you to stop posting every fleeting thought that flies through your head, however, methinks it's too late. Thankfully, because your generation are indeed the biggest narcissists the world has ever seen and won't accept conventional wisdom, you will all likely also die much, much younger than previous generations (even though it could have easily been avoided if you would just shut up and listen once in awhile. PS - no, you did not 'invent' or 'discover' anything and you are not the first person to witness much of what you see or encounter). Yay!
6ÂF = -14.444ÂC
(For the majority of the world that doesn't understand Fossil units)
So this is because each 'trend has been "adjusted"', you say?
Well, I suggest that if you dig back to the early days of climatology, you'll find that in fact a report issued 50 years ago regarding global climate has proven to be spot-on. And this is the original report, not an "adjusted" report. You can dig up a 50-year-old issue of the Journal of Atmospheric Sciences and check the (printed on paper, no White-Out applied) original.
https://sputniknews.com/society/201711131059037711-climate-change-report-exactly-right/
So my takeaway is that global warming causes it to get cold out and kill sharks. I like the beach so less sharks seems like a good idea, so I am now pro global warming.
This has totally never happened before....
Yes, yes, climate does not equal weather, blah blah.
Still, "climate change" was originally popularly sold as "you are all going to fry like eggs if you don't join our political positions!" and you know it was.
To still be smug when we are scratching our heads and pointing at the frozen sharks is just a bit too much.
Just admit that at the very least, you did a terrible job of explaining what the problem is, and how it will manifest itself, and how soon. Our questions/observations (made through our chattering teeth) are therefore very understandable. You're sorry. You'd like a fresh chance to explain.
Worth a try?
If you don't know history, then STFU. History proves that science is cabalistic and prone to bias. That's why science is hard and also why eminent scientists like Freeman Dyson are not part of your stupidly concocted 97%.
That's great news. I remember when the life span of CO2 being bandied about was 1000 years. Nice to see that we are finally getting answers to some of these really difficult questions. Now if we can just nail down the heat trapping effects of CO2, we'll know if there is anything to get excited about.
All this blathering, and none of it about the poor, POOR, sharks!
Think of the sharks!
It's been done.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Shark
It should have won at least one Oscar. Maybe two
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Nothing disproves it. Because it is not falsifiable.
And therefor not science — Trump is a heretic.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
The science is settled.
It says they beached themselves and then "essentially" "froze to death" when they were out of the water. In fact the article is clear that the sharks didn't literally freeze in the water; they are believed to have beached themselves after suffering cold shock in 6F water.
In any case "freeze to death" is an idiom. When someone "freezes to death" they don't have their tissues freeze, then die. It's the other way around.
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I can make 6 different predictions about a dice falling. One of them will always be "spot on".
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
So what, one out of the 100,000 made just so happened to be right? Yeah, you throw enough darts, one of them will eventually be correct. Would you like me to start pulling up all the ones that were wrong? The first question that'll have to be answered is, does slashdot have a maximum post length.
Current thinking:
Your "spot-on" report predicted TWICE as much warming as current science predicts.
So there is uncertainty still but your report is pretty accurate with current thinking. My bad.
... some informative and some trolls and then I looked at TODAY'S data and I'll be goddamed if the sharks aren't still frozen to death.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
When scientists suggest every possible outcome means "global warming" you should know something is wrong. When they fudge their own data because the global temperature trend is downward, you should know something is wrong.
Your source:
Current thinking:
Your "spot-on" report predicted TWICE as much warming as current science predicts.
You are assuming the model he mentioned did not include any feedbacks. I only read the first few pages of the actual paper, but it does appear that the way the model is designed would include some (not all, by any means) feedbacks in the system.
Even a moderate change in climate will result in about 50% of the worlds population being relocated due to our settling in low lands near water sources.
Sorry, but that is completely wrong. Global *warming* means more moisture overall, because of water evaporating from the ocean in larger quantities. It means more areas in the northern climes are habitable - remember that Antartica used to hold a lot of life (sadly we are not getting that level of warming). It means people able to stay where they are or maybe live in places they could not before because they were too harsh. It means deserts and arid regions greening as greater amounts of water arrives.
The scenario you describe is what happens in an *ice age*. Moisture stops flowing, plat life withers, people head to low areas to stay warm. Again, I refer you to Antartica, one of the driest climates on earth...
Embracing warming is embracing energy, and the life it sustains.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Name me a climate model that accounts for the 800,000 year-long record of cyclic periods of warming and cooling that we can see and measure with instruments from ice core samples. We are currently in the FIFTH such cycle.
If you are going to tell me that an 800,000 year-long record is being broken, by crickey you'd better have some fabulously overwhelming extraordinary EVIDENCE of such a fantastic claim.
Instead, we have what-if projections.
Thank you, but I'll trust my own eyes and physical evidence before I trust your what-if guesses.
"We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
What other evidence you deniers want?
I think the write is a bit confused with that climate change is. Hard to take anything in the article as anything but propaganda after injecting climate change into it. Climate change is a political talking point to take money from us to make themselves rich.
that for many years the AGW fanatics were worshiping at the altar of Dr Hansen at NASA Goddard - who had a PHYSICS degree.
But then when Freeman Dyson (a very famous scientist with a PHYSICS degree) disagreed with many things pushed by the AGW crowd (including suggesting that they peel themselves away from the computer screens and very flawed computer models and put on some boots and go outside to do some REAL science) suddenly that very same qualification (a doctorate in physics) was no longer valid (for Dyson, anyway... aparently it's still fine for Hanson who proved his science cred by chaining himself to a fence at a protest).
AGW is a religion. Science degrees have nothing to do with it given that the true credential is obviously that you must agree with the prietshood on the interpretation of the sacred scrolls of warming. If you disagree with the interpretation or if you disagree of the means to salvation, or if you advocate for the masses being able to read the scrolls for themselves then you must be branded a heretic.
That does not mean everywhere has their average temperature rising at the same rate. But the data clearly shows temps are higher on average. Thus, global warming.
It had been uncertain whether the extremes in recent years (hurricanes, etc) are due to human-caused climate change or were within normal variants. However, there was a recent study three specific events to human causes climate change. We can connect you to work at your comfort, work from home at this temperature you hate going to the office and get paid sign up for free membership on www.workfar.com
Those of us who keep getting called "deniers" are the only ones who truly believe in climate change; WE are the ones saying the climate has always changed and always will change. It's tha AGW folks who think the planet should be in some form of climatic stasis at some pre-determined ideal climate state that has never been previously observed, and is not documented on any terrestrial design document or specification.
Those of us who oppose the hyper-political attempt to use climate as an excuse for increased global governance, increased Marxism, reduced human freedom, etc are NOT the ones who made the climate political. If any other aspect of the Earth is twisted into an excuse to reduce human liberty and increase governmental evil then that too will rapidly become hyper-political. The AGW guys have used "climate change" and "global warming" to justify every wet dream of the Democrat party from changes in minimum wage to abortion, global taxation, high speed trains, new funding streams for the UN, transgernderism and support for Palestinian terror groups. That's simply NOT science; it's all parisan political policy preferences.
It's the job of science to discover how and why things work. It's the job of politicians and the public to decide what to do with that information. When the scientists get attached to the government funding nipple and start producing the results the government wants in order to justify more power and more control, and this becomes a self-selecting feedback loop of scientists dependent on the government funding providing results to politicians who want and only fund researchers and results which justify bigger more-powerful government, we have crossed a line the late President Eisenhower warned us about.
If you want the politics out and want to just "deal with the facts" then the first step must be to restore the basic principles of science. There can be no faith in the reliability of climate science as long as the people caught manipulating the paper publishin and peer review processes are still employed in the field. There can be no faith in climate science as long as the people who hid data, manipulated data, and published only massaged data while deleting the original measurements, etc are still employed in the field. There can be no faith in climate science while the people who converted it into a quasi-religious quasi-political movement and who made it a core element of Democrat party electoral politics are still employed in the field.
If geologists or chemists did this garbage, those two fields would also now be political and not trusted by half the population too.
If it's science, DO THE SCIENCE and leave the politics and public policy pronunciations to others. Do NOT follow the footsteps of Dr Hansen who climbed into bed with Al Gore and theatrically switched off the air conditioning at a senate hearing to make senators sweat in the heat of the late summer DC swamp, held over a hundred press conferences claiming the Bush Administration was preventing him from talking, etc.
we can't classify nature to politics, let's pray and do what's right as people. We should think deep than this. Nevertheless, global warming is a scientifically proven fact regardless what happens in Northern America, which is only a relatively small area of our globe. The oceans which cover two-thirds of our planet are warming, this is fact. The polar ice caps are melting, also fact. The glaciers are retreating, another fact.
Only the evil of Donald Trump and his racist white southern minions could cause such a drastic climatic change that Sharks, those ancient predator of renown are actually freezing to death.
The only hope for mother earth is for intelligent liberals to believe and acceot the power of science. Science CAN reverse this climate change, if enough people accept the infallibility and omicient power of Science we will be saved from the evils of climate change and Donald Trump.
And now the 'catastrophic man-made global waming' scammers are openly stating that we are heading for a 'mini ice age' (which I posted about here many times in the past) which will mitigate some of the 'disastrous' effect of 'climate change'. The whole thing is a pathetic fraud, even a five year old could see through this.
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I know I'll catch flack from most for my forthcoming opinion.....
but I put sharks in the same category that I put spiders and snakes: The only good one is a DEAD ONE!!!! Let them all die in a fire!!!!
Loss of the apex predators, Great White Sharks, is the problem, not your brand of religion.
How do we fix the problem? How many Great White Sharks have died due to cold? Our sample is way too small, must we SWAG a number of sharks lost?
How many lawyers are equivalent to a 16' Great White?
Say we assume 4 medium size lawyers in sea to replace 1 average size GWS and 983 dead GWS, can we catch & swim 3932 lawyers?
Would 983 politicians be a better choice?
Record breaking snowfall and cold, really? I think if they were to dig further back they'd find snowfalls and temperatures far worse than what they're claiming are 'record breaking'. They might very well be...records for a short time ago.
Could we knit coats for them like we do for baby elephants in Myanmar?
https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asean/1385458/orphaned-myanmar-elephants-blanketed-against-cold
No, it's not twice. Note the phrase "without feedbacks". There are feedbacks, though, positive and negative, from increased outgassing in the tundra, changes in albedo, changes in plant cover, and many others. The exact strength of the feedbacks is actively researched, hence the overall estimate climate sensitivity, with feedbacks, is understood to be in the range 1.5C to 3C, most likely 2C.
The Milankovitch cycles are modelled. In fact the ice cores were the confirmation of the model.