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Windows 10's Edge vs Chrome: We're Faster and Win in Battery Face-off, Says Microsoft (zdnet.com)
Microsoft has kicked off 2018 with two new ads promoting Windows 10 Edge's battery efficiency and speed compared with Google Chrome. From a report: Microsoft published the two new ads on New Year's Eve, pitting Edge against Chrome, the world's most popular browser. "Microsoft Edge is up to 48 percent faster than Google Chrome," Microsoft says in one of the 30-second ads. Not only that, but Microsoft argues that Edge is safer too, thanks to SmartScreen, its built-in equivalent of Google's Safe Browsing anti-phishing technology. Microsoft says: "Edge blocks 18 percent more phishing sites than Google Chrome." Microsoft doesn't cite the source of this statistic, but in October, NSS Labs released a report comparing Edge on the locked-down Windows 10 S with Chrome on Chromebooks, suggesting that Edge blocks more phishing URLs than Chrome.
Edge could cure cancer and I still wouldn't go anywhere near it, MS's IE blunder took care of that in perpetuity.
Edge is still such a piece of crap, the UI so amateurish, that I'd gladly sacrifice a bit of battery life to use Chrome. So far as I'm concerned, Microsoft has lost the browser wars.
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vs Chrome and Edge? Firefox doesn't try to annoy you or nudge you into using any one product, it's fast, configurable, and doesn't ask you to "stink" with their "clown."
Also: Opera.
Edge is OK. Where I think it lacks, in the same way that the latest Firefox lacks, is in its integration support, mobile features, and plugins.
I use Google services a lot, and the fact that Chrome has native sign-in to Google, makes the integration really clean. Also the plugins on Chrome tend to be a lot more mature and stable than those for the "lesser" browsers. That's less of an issue with FF, but it's still present.
Edge IS quite fast, and does a good job with proper page rendering.
I think the problem is that Chrome is just a great browser. It doesn't matter if Edge is "just as great," or even "a little greater in this one area." A ton of people are embedded with Chrome now, and unless there's a REAL incentive to change, why would they?
Does your browser work on other OS'es? Android? Linux?
No?
Pass.
... the quest for speed caused Firefox to dump much of the useful functionality of the browser. Is browser speed really the issue it is made out to be, or is the quest for speed being done just because browser speed is so easy to measure and compare?
How well does it block ads, etc?
Last I checked, Microsoft's battery claim is for sitting there watching a video, without the browser actually doing anything at all.
Edge is still a browser made by MS. Edge, the best browser for downloading other browser in Win 10
The millennial that doesn't like most of the stuff designed for millennials.
I added a second HDD to my work laptop and decided it was time to reinstall Windows yesterday.
Edge is nearly all together broken. Nearly every page I load gives me a disconnected / time out type error. I could bring up the Brave website this morning, but I couldn't actually download brave using Edge.
That's right - I started Internet Explorer to download another browser because Edge wasn't up to the task.
It took me nearly an hour to log in, download, and install Office 365 yesterday using Edge as my on-ramp.
I don't know what the hell is going on with Edge, but the rest of the system is working fine. Once I got Brave installed I was able to cruise the web just fine. For the purposes of this post I started up Edge on my Windows laptop to see if it's working. I was able to load Slashdot, it took a lot longer than Brave does.
The only thing out of the ordinary about this laptop is I syspreped it, I left the factory SSD as most everything and I put \users on a 2 TB hybrid drive. Literally Edge is the only problem I've had since doing the install yesterday.
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Sorry Micro$oft Edge is a piece of crap - and quite lying about performance and battery use.
Everyone knows that Chrome is a big, bloated resource hog, I don't know why so many people are still so mindlessly locked into that browser. I switch between Edge, Chrome and Firefox all day and you can simply feel that Edge is the faster browser.
I think many people are just locked into Google and dead set against any browser from Microsoft. I get that IE6 did irreparable damage to the Microsoft brand in the eyes of developers and coders everywhere, but Edge was coded from scratch, there's no reason not to give Microsoft a chance to reboot with a brand new browser
IE and now Edge have one annoying UI quirk - immediately after you start it, you can click into the address bar, then it almost always takes away focus for some damned reason (actually, Windows does this all over the place - it's the primary reason I can't use that OS).
If they'd fixed this one problem, I'd probably use it more. I suspect they don't use their own software at Microsoft. They'd surely have noticed and fixed it by now if they did...
http://www.unfocus.com/
How sad! How the mighty have fallen!! There was a time Microsoft will make an announcement, hinting at the possibility of someday releasing a product to do X. And boom! venture capital will vanish for any company working on a product that does X. Even companies that have a viable product already in the market to do X, working hard to maintain the foothold and expand will sink. Sometimes Microsoft will deign to buy the dying company at fire sale prices, at other times, it simply would not even bother.
Now it is pitching it hard. On a brand new Win10 machine the default opening home page will beg you not to install Chrome. The very first url people type in Edge is to find the Chrome browser or Firefox.
Thousands of developers and companies begged and cried, trying to find anyone who would listen, but in vain. Now it is Microsoft's turn to beg and cry in vain.
Karma is a bitch. Karma is sweet.
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When Chrome is running, Windows continues to run background processes like system updates.
When Edge is running instead, I noticed the CPU and network usage of those background processes to drop to near 0.
This is the exact same type of b.s. that got them sued by the DOJ 23 years ago.
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I'd try it, but Google Play Store won't let me. It lists Microsoft Edge as incompatible with my Samsung Galaxy Tab A 8" (SM-T350) running Android 7 "Nougat".
Personally I wouldn't use either because I don't really appreciate behemoths hoovering up all my web activity.
Edge, the best browser for downloading other browser in Win 10
For now. In the long term, that depends on how long Microsoft continues to offer Windows 10 Home to OEMs. If Microsoft were to replace Windows 10 Home with Windows 10 S, that would put other browsers behind a $50 paywall to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro.
It's gotta be tough being in the marketing department at Microsoft because you have to invent all these bizarre scenarios where an inferior product actually performs marginally better. Obviously, Edge is slower at loading websites and uses more electricity in the process so they resorted to the least realistic usage scenario: playing a video from disk for 15 hours.
The truth of the matter is that they are all using hardware based video decoding which means all three browsers should have nearly equal run-time. I'm guessing the difference is how the file is or isn't cached which they exaggerated as much as possible.
Microsoft's motto should be: if you can't compete then just cheat!
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
That's why we have tablets and phones.
Kind of a pointless benefit.
"Up to" is a useless marketing term when only a single benchmark is given. Edge could be slower than Chrome at everything except one test, and you could still truthfully state that it was "up to 48%" faster than Chrome.
For a one-line statement like that to be meaningful, it has to refer to average speed, or "at least".
Opera is Chrome - it's just a wrapper. The days when Opera was an innovative piece of software are LONG gone.
How about Brave?
You know what people NEED in a browser? Compatibility with every web site they visit and flexibility to install extensions or plug-ins that make it a more useful tool for them!
Speed is always a good thing, but it's got to be viewed as relative to the capability of the product. Right now, with Edge not supporting extensions or plug-ins, it's not even if the same league as the browsers it compares speeds with.
I don't know anyone using Windows 10 who doesn't view Edge as the lightweight default browser you ignore except for the times Windows wants to open it to render something that was generated by clicking on an option in Windows itself.
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Faster? With 99 billion ad-flash-whatnot bullshit loading before the content I came for gets loaded? Are you trying to be funny?
Which browser loads less bullshit is the question I'd care about. Which browser discards tracking cookies by default and protects my privacy better is the question I care about. But I have the suspicion NEITHER of those two will do EITHER of those things.
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Performance as a metric doesn't tell me squat on its own, as it's pretty damn easy to have better performance by ignoring standards compliance, and Microsoft doesn't exactly have the best track record when it comes to fully complying to web standards.
I'm sure that elinks renders even faster than Edge, but that fact on its own isn't all that helpful if you expect ECMAScript and full CSS support.
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Any program can issue the net stop bits command before using the network and get that same effect. Chrome developers being too lazy to add this to their browser is no fault of Microsoft's.
I'm inclined to believe that Edge's advantage comes from its ability to utilize [GPU] hardware acceleration better and not from cheating on Microsoft's part.
OMG teh M$!! Edge is bad!! I've never used it but it's bad because M$!!!!!
Give me one reason to give them more than a bucket of water when they're being flooded.
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While Firefox sits in the corner eating glue with web extensions. Meanwhile all the power users have switched to Waterfox, Pale Moon and Basilisk to get back the XUL extension power they need. XUL until the heat death of the universe!
Today what we need is a way to simply and cleanly stop all the auto play videos and all the auto play sounds. Google has no interest in developing the feature. NoScript, AdBlock, FlashBlock all have issues on chrome. Even when you set all the possible settings for autoplay video, it still happens.
If MS wants to get its market share back, it should implement a cleanly pause all autoplay audio/video. People will come back for that feature.
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I had my first experience setting up Windows 10 the other day for a friend, I had been avoiding it all this time. Anyway the experience was horrible, first of all during the install Cortana starts talking to me, WTF? I don't like talking to AI's especially during setup when I didn't even turn Cortana on, so turn it off as soon as I can but it still seemed to be "listening" and picked up dialog from the TV going in the background and started selecting the wrong language setting because of the TV, what's up with that? Also during the install it has a whole page full of privacy settings, asking me if it's OK to spy on me basically, I untick everything off course. Next thing is I go to download Chrome using Edge. I think I got told about 2 or 3 times that I shouldn't be using Chrome because Edge is "better", that experience left a sour taste in my mouth. Also I mostly dislike Edge because I am a web developer and know just how bad IE was at web standards over the last decade, so no thanks, I am not using Edge. Anyway, first of all the Bing search results say something along the lines that Edge is better on Windows 10 than Chrome and that I should continue using it, I ignore it and install it anyway. Then I start Chrome and it recommends me to go to settings so I can change the default browser. I went to settings, it sat on 100% CPU for about 30 minutes, after FINALLY getting in there and changing the default browser it STILL tells me I shouldn't be changing the default browser because "Edge is better". I was quite annoyed at the whole process and constantly getting told by Microsoft not to install Chrome.
as long as they slurp up so much personal information. I couldn't care less that Firefox will run some irrelevant benchmark 20% slower, or load a webpage 10% slower, it's irrelevant in the light of the other browsers being spyware.
The biggest reason people use Chrome today is fanboyism I suspect.
If speed was the most important factor for choosing software, I would be running Linux instead of Windows 10.
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at downloading another browser.
Notice no one even gives a shit about any open sores browsers any more? Funny how you never hear from the Eric Raymonds and Tim O'Reillys of the world any more about how open sores is such a great way to do software development. Commence downvoting, freetards!
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This is the exact same type of b.s. that got them sued by the DOJ 23 years ago.
It is? The real world impact of this throttling of background processes, and these marketing claims by MS, are likely to approach zero. No special treatment is going to make Edge the more desirable browser. Besides, Google is not the best comparison to make for non-monopolistic behavior.
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This is the exact same type of b.s. that got them sued by the DOJ 23 years ago.
But since Microsoft dodged any meaningful penalties for that bad behavior, they have no reason to stop doing it.
Good job MS. Can it render web pages? Is it available for any modern OSes?
How about Brave?
Oh, you mean the browser that records my every move? No thanks. It doesn't matter what happens to the data that is generated. It shouldn't collect it. End of story.
"We're faster ..." IS NOT "the products are faster"!!!.
... just fuck off already, Microsoft.
I tried to use Edge to install software for the new Vive I got for Christmas. Edge wouldn't allow me to install anything. I couldn't even install DDU in order to install the Nvidia GTX 1060 I got to drive the Vive.
Since it won't do anything, I guess that you could say that it is safe.
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Freaking Microsoft is SO annoying. Everyday, they are yapping about how great their shits smells. Microsoft can't even pay people to use their browser or search engine. Microsoft is like a desperate crack whore spreading her legs but noone is buying. MicrosoftCrackwhore.com
It is? The real world impact of this throttling of background processes, and these marketing claims by MS, are likely to approach zero.
The HELL you say.
I just spent a good chunk of my Christmas vacation doing "family IT support". (I don't mind so much. It's fine.) The biggest problem on the 4 laptops I looked at? Windows update didn't have a chance to properly update in recent times. The performance hit on 3 of the laptops was so bad that I thought they were infected with malware.
I spent a lot of time hunting for what could be "the real problem" because I refused to believe that Windows Update background processes ALONE would impact each laptop so much. 50% CPU usage? "100%" disk usage?? (inaccurate measurement but the thrashing was noticeable). I couldn't believe that Windows Update would eat the laptop's lunch, but yes, that was THE problem. It made browsing difficult, and watching videos was a no-go.
Once each laptop was FINALLY able to pull down and install the updates, they were able to idle without becoming as hot as the sun. It took one of the systems 14 hours to finally reach that point. (A more seasoned computer user would've let the thing idle overnight before it reached that point, but this particular laptop was in the hands of a non-savvy user; i.e., "real world conditions".)
So, no, don't make a blithe guess that those services have minimal impact. In "real world" circumstances - including woefully underpowered systems that MS encouraged people to update to W10 - the performance impact of background Windows Update processes is significant. Throttling or disabling those services while IE is active is a huge cheat and that API should be advertised to FireFox and Chrome.
The biggest reason people use Chrome today is fanboyism I suspect.
Or that it "just werks" for most use cases, plus the google account integration gives it a seamless experience across devices. Sure, you still need to install uBlock and NoScript, but that's the same deal as Firefox. I'm not praising google, but they make a product that lots of users want, and they're going to tailor it more towards those users than the power users who inevitably use other open source browsers.
Battery claims don't matter when your browser royally sucks like Edge does. I will take a 50% loss of battery time if it means I can use a browser that can right-click and "save image" or "view image" or "copy image location." Edge can't even be used to save a copy of the current page. What a total piece of crap. Useless for any kind of real work.
BUT IT MAKES YER BATTERY LAST LONGER WHILE YOU GET NOTHING DONE, HURR DURR HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Brave is another Chrome reskin like Opera and Vivaldi.
The millennial that doesn't like most of the stuff designed for millennials.
You forget 7, 8, 9, 10, and 11.
Also, they are a multi-billion dollar company. I should not have to give them a chance for there new software. They should finish making things before they release them.
The millennial that doesn't like most of the stuff designed for millennials.
So if you want most web apps to work pick chrome or safari.
When I first upgraded my laptop (Asus) and desktop (Dell) to W10, Edge worked ok. Nothing fancy, but I used it as a "clean" browser when I needed a quick window. Now, after several W10 updates, Edge behaves exactly as pecosdave writes: it is glacially slow, can't download, and can't even access most websites. FFox and Chrome OTOH have no problem. MSFT broke it. Again.
Title corrected to more accurately reflect the reality.
In a contest to see which browser is the fastest to track every single thing you do on-line, plus pull down your computer's pants and rape it for every bit of private information it can gather about you, your friends, your family and your business associates, and report all of the above to its master, the winner is...
May I have the envelope, please...
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I don't care.
Not what you claim, nor whether or not it is true.
You ruined your reputation through decades of being evil. It won't recover anytime soon, no matter what. Especially not as long as you don't admit to the massive damage you have done to computing. We would be 10 years into the future without you, so for at least that time, suck it up and stop crying.
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Chrome was like an ideal roommate at the beginning. He did what he said he was going to do, cleaned the place up, kept to his side of the apartment and was just cheery and positive all the time.
A couple years on- that same roommate now drinks all the fucking soda in the fridge, puts his shit wherever he damn well pleases, stays up all goddamn nite doing god knows what, and invites all his reprobate friends over at ungodly hours. I could give a fuck if he could tell me the temperature in Bangok or the dominant cultural mores of eastern Morocco at the drop of a hat. He's a smug, entitled bore.
Same with Chrome. What a fucking me-first bloatfest. I could go on with all the ways the Google of Now is turning into the Microsoft of Yore that used to be so eloquently enumerated here, but if you've got half a brain cell you could parse them yourself. Chances are, you already have begun to, in some form or another.
Google's not the first champ to become self-importantly drunk on their own reflection. I use Edge and Safari. I'll break any Chromebook I can reasonably get away with.
Did I mention fuck do-no-evil Google?
If this were true, then the solution would be to run an empty Edge window that you don't ever use.
Don't get me wrong: I'm no Microsoft fan (I don't even use Windows anymore), but cynic in me thinks your anecdote is just wishful thinking.
Your use of "it just werks" makes it sound like other browsers don't work. For 99% of users out there, all the major browsers will view 99% of pages they visit perfectly.
is a bonus!
So the laptop in question is nearly four years old and has had the same SSD the whole time.
The SSD died last week, probably because the install flipped bits that hadn't been flipped in a long time.
I reinstalled the OS from scratch AGAIN on a new SSD of the same size.
Edge is working fine, I was able to download and install Brave without issue - all other hardware is the same and I used the same methodology and even the same install media to rebuild.
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