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Your Car May Soon Start Serving You Ads (siliconbeat.com)

An anonymous reader quotes SiliconBeat: Santa Clara auto-tech firm Telenav has just announced an "in-car advertising platform" for cars that connect to the internet. Telenav wants to sell the system to major auto manufacturers. And although it's probably the last thing many consumers want, vehicle owners will pay more for connected-car services if they decline the ads. "This approach helps car makers offset costs related to connected services, such as wireless data, content, software and cloud services," a spokeswoman for Telenav said Jan. 5. "In return for accepting ads in vehicles, drivers benefit from access to connected services without subscription fees, as well as new driving experiences that come from the highly-targeted and relevant offers delivered based on information coming from the vehicle."

Auto makers including Toyota, Lexus, Ford, GM and Cadillac already use the company's connected-car products, the spokeswoman said. Telenav CEO H.P. Jin in a press release called the ad platform "an exciting new opportunity" for vehicle manufacturers to "monetize connectivity to cover service costs and even drive healthy profits while enriching the consumer experience with safely delivered, engaging and relevant offers"...

To prevent driver distraction, "ads only appear when the vehicle is stopped, such as at car startup, traffic lights and upon arrival," Telenav said... Of course, driver distraction won't be an issue in self-driving cars, and this technology suggests the captive audiences in those vehicles will likely be subjected to an ad barrage in robotic ride-sharing vehicles and automated cars whose owners decline to pay more to avoid in-car advertising.

310 comments

  1. Sigh by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 5, Funny

    Guess I'm sticking with my '77 olds. But I already get served ads in that too, the radio still works...

    1. Re:Sigh by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Guess I'm sticking with my '77 olds. But I already get served ads in that too, the radio still works...

      Depending on the country. Most have abandoned AM and some are turning off FM now. Some new cars don't have FM radios anymore. Between mobile phone streaming, satellite, digital broadcasts and good old USB sticks, analog radio is on the way out.

    2. Re:Sigh by Hartree · · Score: 1

      If not that, there's always the billboards.

    3. Re:Sigh by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      You don't have to go that far back. Any GM vehicle built while OnStar was still analog-cell-based will do. My '01 Tahoe could definitely use a refresher on the inside (new carpet, seats re-covered), but the outside has been restored, and it's mechanically quite sound. You can even get simple dash mods to put a double-DIN sound system with a decent screen in it, so you can have the useful modern things like a backup camera. If I used it more, I absolutely would. As it is, I installed a cheap Bluetooth-capable single-DIN radio a while back. Took me maybe an afternoon, and I'm a complete novice when it comes to cars.

    4. Re:Sigh by Dayze!Confused · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I recently just paid Amazon to stop serving me ads on my two kindle devices. I can now open my Kindle Paperwhite and NOT have to swipe to start reading. My Kindle Fire feels like it loads faster too without having to display ads, especially the animated variety. The entire time I had them not once had a relevant ad ever been posted, and selling my soul for $20 off just didn't seem worth it any more.

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    5. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have used an 8-track to cassette adapter, then an adapter from cassette to an AUX jack. That 78 Olds can play MP3s without any permanent modifications.

    6. Re: Sigh by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      I'm seriously considering this. It feels like giving in to extortion. But I really really hate seeing ads.

    7. Re: Sigh by Dayze!Confused · · Score: 1

      Every time I open my Kindle Paperwhite I do not regret paying $20, it is amazing to open the cover and be reading instantly. Plus you get some more screen real estate on the home screen without the banner ad on the bottom when looking through your collection of books.

      The Kindle Fire was only $15, but it does feel faster, it's at least much quicker to open now that it doesn't have to stop and load ads, especially the animated ones. I don't see a setting to have it automatically unlock like the Paperwhite does.

      How I see it is I sold my soul for the $20 off to make it cheap, the actual cost of the device is without the special offers, if anything they will lose profit over it due to lost ad revenue, and fewer eyes to show to their ad purchasers. The deal feels heavily in Amazon's favor, for $20 off their own device which is essentially a loss leader they get to make much, much more in selling ads residually, where our benefit was a single instance. If they gave us $10 off our prime membership every year for each device then it would almost be a balanced deal.

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    8. Re: Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, everyone is moving back to analog radio here.
          Digital is a trap to set you up for subscription services and to monitor you.
      But enjoy your prison and Ford ankle bracelets!

    9. Re:Sigh by ArchieBunker · · Score: 4, Informative

      I have one of the old e-ink display kindles. No ads or bullshit. It displays pictures of famous authors when "off".

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    10. Re:Sigh by sound+vision · · Score: 2

      I hope not.
      Back in August I was islanded in my apartment for 3 days after Hurricane Harvey encircled it with water. Mobile networks were down. I have no satellite receiver in my home, and it wouldn't work in a hurricane anyway. No digital receivers either. But I did have two analog radios at my disposal - a phone with an FM tuner, and an old-style boombox. Not because I had went out and bought them in anticipation of the storm, but because they were already there and had been for years. As is the case in most people's homes, cars, workplaces, etc. Without the FM radios there would have been nothing.

      Sometimes the most marginal use cases are also the most important. But even with the typical scenario - listening to music in the car - FM performs admirably. (Better than the compression artifacts on Sirius/XM actually. But that's a failure of their particular implementation, not satellite radio generally.)

    11. Re: Sigh by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Tell that to the people in Norway that recently turned off the FM net and now only offers DAB.

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    12. Re:Sigh by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      Consider a music player of any sort + a tape (or FM if you must) adapters... they worked surprisingly well for me in a '96 buick, and tided me over until I got an aftermarket cd player. Is nice going months (or as long as I care to) without hearing ads while driving.

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    13. Re:Sigh by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      Would probably not be particularly difficult to add an AUX jack to an older radio by tracing out the wiring to its internal amplifier.

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    14. Re: Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Noted.

    15. Re: Sigh by RightwingNutjob · · Score: 2

      They still serve you ads. They push them as notifications and put them at the bottom of newly opened empty tabs. I bought one ad-free for the extra $20 a few years ago and it's the last device I'll ever buy from Amazon.

    16. Re:Sigh by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      AM won't go away any time soon. Aside from the longer range and low cost, it's seem as a alternative to digital radio where reception is poor. The spectrum is also less valuable than higher frequencies so there is less benefit to turning it off.

      I finished working on a brand new AM receiver last year, to supply to countries where FM is being turned off.

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    17. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should probably read up on how FM broadcasts work, then. Broadcast FM radio typically uses DRC (Dynamic Range Compression) that completely messes around source content to make it seem louder overall. Instead of having 0.1% THD it's more like 30%.

    18. Re:Sigh by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Guess I'm sticking with my '77 olds. But I already get served ads in that too, the radio still works...

      Or you could just stick with anything being produced today, which won't have ads on the infotainment screen. The only ads you'll see are for the vehicle and its brand, like the now-ubiquitous flourish animation in the gauge cluster.

      The newest vehicle you can get in the USDM which doesn't think for you at all is from the nineties. Ford, Chevy, and Dodge all sold trucks with mechanically fuel injected diesel engines and manual transmissions until then and if you change around the fuel cutoff from electrical to vacuum then they will run even if the electrical system fails completely. With a big enough hill, they can even be bump started. (On these vehicles, vacuum is generated via a belt-driven pump mounted to the front of the engine with the rest of the accessories.) The same is true of Mercedes diesels until about 1991, though some models went to electronic regulation in the eighties. Even though it has an automatic transmission, the only computer on my 1982 300SD's powertrain controls the EGR, which you can disable by disconnecting and plugging a vacuum line which goes through a conveniently accessible thermoswitch at the front of the cylinder head, or with a block off plate. It already uses a vac switch for shutoff, and I've personally had the battery and alternator go while I was driving. You only notice because the gauges and signals stop working. Luckily, I had my window down already, and I was able to use hand signals. Diesel Mercedes with similar configurations were sold literally around the world.

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    19. Re:Sigh by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I have no satellite receiver in my home, and it wouldn't work in a hurricane anyway. No digital receivers either. But I did have two analog radios at my disposal - a phone with an FM tuner, and an old-style boombox.

      boom box? That requires batteries. In an emergency, you're better off with a wind up radio. I got one like the one depicted here for ten bucks, they have am, fw and maybe sw (there are two different radios for two different sw bands, and I'm not sure all versions of this radio even got sw, I don't actually remember if mine has it and it's cold and I'm not going out to check) and a nice long antenna which is what's missing from the adorable smaller versions of these things.

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    20. Re: Sigh by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      You did see the USB sticks mentioned, right? Hard to jam ads onto my stick w/o me knowing it.

    21. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I going to drop a new frame in the old pickup now

    22. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah! Thanks for reminding me to charge that guy! Time to see if the data card still works.

    23. Re:Sigh by fredrated · · Score: 1

      Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion.

      And that is only because people have to be coerced to contribute their fair share, otherwise they will ride on others.

    24. Re: Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously. Fuck advertising and advertisers.

    25. Re: Sigh by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You sound like an Ad for the Paperwhite....

      Myself, I've always used Nooks, and have never had to pay extra to dispense with ads, since there are no ads in the first place....

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    26. Re: Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But the infotainment system will just display ads between songs from your "stick".

      If it can't the manufacturer will eventually end up banning your stick... because...

      Corporations have more rights than you do even over the things you "own".

    27. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you paid for 'no ads' on it. E-Ink Kindles have *always* had 'ad enabled versions' for slightly cheaper.

    28. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am sticking with my stick shift 1991 Honda Civic.

    29. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF Kindle has ads i have never used it,i thought it was just a digital book that never lets you truly own the books you pay for.
      thank for the info staying with paper.

    30. Re: Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time I got back to my shop and find that it has not been burned down overnight I don't regret paying "protection" money to my local mobsters.

    31. Re: Sigh by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      Strangely enough, my power didn't go out. (It was out for a full two weeks following Ike.) I am aware of the wind-up radios, which are probably the most ideal. But it's not like alkaline batteries are expensive or have a short shelf-life. I'd have them stored in the hurricane kit, if I were responsible enough to make one. TBH it's probably time to responsible-up... Given that there were two "500 year" flooding events and an "800 year" flooding event in 3 years, I expect to deal with a lot more of this.

    32. Re: Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Herm. Perhaps you should look into calibre and a plugin for it if you you prefer to "own" your kindle ebooks

    33. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most countries have one or two AM radio stations at most. I can't remember the last time I listened to AM, but it wasn't in this century.

    34. Re: Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Radio broadcasting, whether digital or analog, is always one-way. There is no way to monitor listeners. Subscription services for radio don't exist as far as I am aware and I doubt they would be compatible with DAB+.

    35. Re: Sigh by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      So I did it, paid for the ads to be removed. It still feels like giving in to extortion. But damn is it nice not to see ads every time I open the thing.

      As for the comments below about using non-Kindle devices that don't have this issue. Well, yeah, I can see that being a factor next time I buy this kind of device. But given that they're not super cheap and don't seem to wear out quickly, that may be quite a while in the future.

    36. Re: Sigh by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Must have been a different model. My Kindle doesn't even have the concept of tabs. I really hate the ads and I still feel a bit resentful at having paid to remove them. Buuuuuut, paying the ransom seems to have worked - I don't see anymore ads anywhere. I can totally understand how you'd be enraged if you paid the extortion then they kept showing ads.

  2. If this works as well as ads in web pages by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 3, Funny

    You'll pretty much have to stop your car in the middle of the street, turn it off and then start it up again to get the badly programmed ad to go away.

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    1. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why not have Inline Infotainment? I found out InfoTourettes patented scripting system will add tailored product DIET COKE! placements that don't MARLBORO LIGHTS! LO FAT VEGETARIAN SALAD! disrupt the flow of the article TAMPONS! WONDERBRA! and adapt your site's likely audience PONIES! so as not to annoy them or seem intrusive PERSONAL TRAINERS! MANOLO BLAHNIKS!

      You probably haven't even noticed, but I'm using it now. And now InfoTourettes Car edition is available DON'T DRIVE THERE! DRIVE HERE INSTEAD! for all your in car Infotainment needs.

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    2. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd give you an upboat,but that would mean having to log into thus crappy site

    3. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      And that would mean having to learn to spell.

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    4. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need someone to develope ABP for cars.

    5. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People tend to miss the bigger picture. The bigger picture in this case, are ads winning customers or losing customers. Pretty easy to tell, if you and you are not alone, were targeted with an ad in this fashion, they would lose a customer. If the ads are not selling anything, than why pay for the ad. A lot of ads are now about convincing advertisers that ads work, not about selling anything to anyone, except ad space to advertisers. Right now jam a compulsary ad at me and you will lose a customer, no ifs buts or maybe, be wildly rude when trying to sell me something and your product is done, finished, wont be buying it and likely wont be buying anything else from your company.

      It seems like they have gone insane recently believing all the digital ad B$ and lost sight of, is that ad gaining customer or losing customers.

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    6. Re: If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "if you and you are not alone..."

      With schizophrenia you are never alone!

    7. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll pretty much have to stop your car in the middle of the street, turn it off and then start it up again to get the badly programmed ad to go away.

      You'll pretty much have to run your car off a precipice, or blow it up, or better yet, both, to get the badly programmed ad to go away.

      There, FTFY.

    8. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The ad agencies don't give a flying fuck if you hate the ad or not. When I was getting my degree in advertising, it was actually a point in classes that there was no such thing as bad press. If you get your ad out, no matter how repugnant, you got eyeballs and people dealing with it... you got publicity and buzz.

      The key is, it doesn't matter the tactics... if you get your message in front of people you have won. If I could force people to view an ad before they could dial or receive messages, I would, because I would be far richer. My whole job, as an ad major is to interrupt your workflow to get your attention, because even if you detest the ad, you will be buying the product, guaranteed enough to keep me employed, and my Mercedes under three model years old.

    9. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      Sorry, car must update. Have some sponsored content while you wait...

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    10. Re: If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The tactics are still important.
      Like the tactic of holding out until the end? Yeah, don't use that in an ad no matter how dramatic you want it to be.

      I don't know why they try that. It starts off like a compelling story, but by the end of it I have no clue what they were advertising or I think it's a joke. No sale. Also, I regularly cut ads off midway...again, no sale.

      Say who you are, what you got and fuck off. Maybe I will come buy it later. If the tactics don't matter then that will work.

      Also, you ad guys could get away with doing nothing for the majority of ads I see are general, everyday items that you actually have to try out each brand to know which is good. Things like toilet paper. Those sales are going to happen regardless of ads so you could just fuck off on that front. Someone needs to teach you guys that correlation is not causation.

      Oh and don't forget, you can just fuck off.

    11. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

      NoScript

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    12. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      Not to mention the amount of driver distraction it would cause. I'd expect legislation soon to take care of this.

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    13. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well I bought and paid for the car and pay for the sat nav service etc - are the advertisers going to pay for the band width or they can fuck off.

      actually they can just fuck off.

    14. Re: If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the contrary, ad guys are the revenue bringers of a company:

      What separated the Diamond Rio from the iPod? Advertising.
      What makes the iPhone profitable? Advertising.
      Who dictates who gets voted into office in France, Germany, and the US? Advertising.

      Without ad guys, your company is fucked, period. I'll make ads as annoying as possible and place them in as many places as I can. Install push ad apps via a sideload mechanism in Android? Of course. Pop over screens? Yes. You will remember them and buy the product. Blocking ad-blockers? Of course.

      Everyone's jobs in a company depend on the advertiser's job, period, as ads mean sales.

    15. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Calydor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pretty much this. Distraction will be a MAJOR issue.

      If I'm stopped at a red light I do not need to be distracted by ads. I'm not allowed to whip out my cell phone and check Facebook in those precious seconds for that exact reason. I need to be aware of the street in front of me so that even when the light turns green I know in advance whether a nice old lady is slowly making her way across and just wasn't fast enough.

      I've got enough of an issue with the lights here in Germany requiring me to take my eyes off the road and up to the side to see them rather than being set across the intersection so I constantly see the entire road - if I start getting blared with ads the moment I sit still that will NOT improve traffic safety in any way, shape or form.

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    16. Re: If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      On the contrary you didn't contradict me at all.

      MP3 players were coming anyways.
      Smartphones were coming anyways.
      An idiot was getting elected anyways.

      It's like you didn't even read what I wrote.

      I buy stuff and if I don't like it I don't buy that again. An ad is not changing shit.

      Funnily enough I actually did own a Diamond Rio PMP and never an iPod. Are you fucking off yet?

    17. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That's why they favour product placement now. Waze has been doing it for years, you see random business highlighted on the map as landmarks. If you open the restaurant search it suggests the brands that paid first.

      With car integration I imagine it will start highlighting petrol stations when you get below 75% fuel remaining, for example.

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    18. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      The ad agencies don't give a flying fuck if you hate the ad or not. When I was getting my degree in advertising, it was actually a point in classes that there was no such thing as bad press. If you get your ad out, no matter how repugnant, you got eyeballs and people dealing with it... you got publicity and buzz.

      There've been very famous ads in the UK that are memorable because they're so irritating.

      E.g. "The Ambassador's Reception" for Ferrero Rocher, the Shake and Vac ad, ViPoo.

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    19. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those don't even come close to the ones that genuinely try to cause recollection through irritation. Advertisers are just gradually teaching people to avoid brands that are advertised in that way, a death by a thousand cuts is still a death and the sooner the better.

    20. Re: If this works as well as ads in web pages by fluffernutter · · Score: 0

      What the hell is a Diamond Rio?

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    21. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ad filled post gets modded funny, advertisers pay Hal_Porter in bitcoin.

    22. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Hey, I may be scum but at least I'm not cdreimer level scum.

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    23. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is even more profitable! Better maximize the target surface ASAP.

    24. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I assume the advertiser, ad delivery network, and ad technology vendor can be found liable of distraction in case of an accident

    25. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's true that you automatically stop buying from every company that targets you with ads. Statistically speaking it's improbable, but you may be one of the few who says that and means it.

      But if so, you're in a minority. If the history of the web teaches us anything, it is that advertising does work. Impressions to the contrary are, basically, wishful thinking.

    26. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you check into history you'll discover that there's been quite a few examples where ad campaigns have wildly and very definitely ended up as PR blunders. A Google search will get you quite a bit of information. So would be remembering things like Pepsi's attempt to sell itself as Woke.

    27. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I make it a point to not buy things shoved in my face. Even from companies I normally like or tolerate. If I'm not shopping, don't show me ads. Advertisers have no right to my senses.

    28. Re: If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure if I feel old or think that you're very young... But the Rio was an mp3 player that was a far better device than the iPod.

    29. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember ads as annoying shill articles about shit products I don't want. I actively purchase stuff I never saw advertised because it tends to be better; after all, quality doesn't need to yell loudly about how awesome it is, despite what the PR majors will try to sell/tell you.

    30. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by mjwx · · Score: 2

      Pretty much this. Distraction will be a MAJOR issue.

      Distraction has to be a major issue. Ads that don't get your attention don't work.

      Oddly enough, I feel that we're going to have to legislate against in car advertising... and it will be Europe that will be first.

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    31. Re: If this works as well as ads in web pages by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I'm old enough to have had an Apple ][+, was it older than that?

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    32. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the amount of driver distraction it would cause. I'd expect legislation soon to take care of this.

      So legislation that makes sure the legislators or their friends get a cut?

    33. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by thomn8r · · Score: 1

      My whole job, as an ad major is to interrupt your workflow to get your attention, because even if you detest the ad, you will be buying the product, guaranteed enough to keep me employed, and my Mercedes under three model years old.

      Which is why you have to post AC, being one of the lowest, most detested life forms on the planet.

    34. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I'm stopped at a red light I do not need to be distracted by ads. I'm not allowed to whip out my cell phone and check Facebook in those precious seconds for that exact reason

      I wish everyone had that attitude. If I had a nickel for every time I had to honk at someone who sat there at a green light, oblivious because they were texting/Facebooking...

    35. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Radio Stations are already doing this with RDS data. I know of three radio stations in my market that, instead of using RDS to display the song information and station tag, instead shows ads for "Buy Here Pay Here" lots, discounted oil changes, and dentists' offices. It's subversive of the technology, but one has to admit that as long as there are working human ears and eyes, there will be advertising.

    36. Re: If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You will remember them and buy the product

      Just wrong. If an ad pisses me off, I will refuse to buy.

    37. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Competitors who don't spend money on advertising have more to spend on quality for their product.

    38. Re:If this works as well as ads in web pages by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't understand how advertising works. It's the ads you don't even pay attention to that work the best. These are the ones you think you're ignoring, but your subconscious knows they are there.

      Then later in the store, when you're standing in the aisle considering which brand of detergent to buy, one brand will seem slightly more familiar, associated with subtle feelings of happy things or desirable situations.

      It's a simple psychological trick. One variation is called priming. Look it up. The only way to really protect yourself from unwanted advertising is to not be exposed to it at all.

      The day they start pushing ads into my car is the day I cut the speaker wires and put duct tape over the display. I can use other things for entertainment along they drive-- conversations with a good friend (carpooling. It's a good idea for lots of reasons), audio books, etc...

  3. Ha! by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is not a problem I'm likely to have!

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    1. Re:Ha! by bmimatt · · Score: 1

      Username checks out.
      On another note: fuck that, my car is my private oasis of tranquility (when I'm not yelling at other drivers) and I intend to keep it that way. Screw your naviSPAM system, TeleSPAM, keep this garbage to yourselves.

    2. Re:Ha! by DivineKnight · · Score: 1

      I don't know...adding even more distractions to the cellphone using, text-messaging crowd who sometimes pay attention to the road they are driving on sounds like an excellent method for thinning the herd.

    3. Re:Ha! by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 3

      Username checks out.

      On another note: fuck that, my car is my private oasis of tranquility (when I'm not yelling at other drivers) ...

      On that note, my horn died yesterday. I used the last minute of its life alerting another driver they were a moron.

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    4. Re:Ha! by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      If they only thinned themselves I'd be cool with that. The problem is there are others of us out there still and until work is (and I am) good with telecommuting, I have to deal with these idiots. Time to break out the Recoilless Cannon for the car I guess.

      [John]

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    5. Re:Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are so many morons on the road, might as well keep it on until it dies.

    6. Re:Ha! by DivineKnight · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'd go with the Sound of Silence. Only need 79 or so of those USB Bluetooth dongles, paired with a few 10-port hubs, hooked up to a single laptop to make a moving wall of silence (among other things). No WiFi, no Bluetooth, no problem. Bonus points if you use a waveguide.

    7. Re:Ha! by bmimatt · · Score: 1

      Horns are for those who can't peacefully rage well. Rethink your life :)

    8. Re:Ha! by burtosis · · Score: 1

      Username fails to check out...

    9. Re:Ha! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Username checks out.

      On another note: fuck that, my car is my private oasis of tranquility (when I'm not yelling at other drivers) ...

      On that note, my horn died yesterday. I used the last minute of its life alerting another driver they were a moron.

      Was he suitably chastened and vowed to abandon his moronic ways?

      The insistence of ramming advertisements into our heads through every possible medium merely dilutes them. And in a world where we have to protect ourselves from the ad servers, it will be only a matter of time before some smartasses figure out how to mess with your car. We live in a world where some fellow gets his jollies by Swatting another and getting him killed. There are lots of sociopaths out there.

      My issue is what I am going to do when I need another vehicle. My Jeep is a 2014 model, without any of the crap I see on my friends vehicles, (said crap seems to be responsible for a lot of trips t the dealer for service) but it is getting harder to find what I want, which is modern motor enhancements without the unreliable electronica crap they stick in cars these days.

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    10. Re: Ha! by slazzy · · Score: 1

      I love my 97 escort wagon!

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    11. Re: Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, much better to follow them to their home and smear dog poop under their door handle when they aren't looking.

  4. Not my car, sister. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You people with DRM'ed center consoles are SCREWED and you deserve it for being consumer whores and not demanding better.

    1. Re:Not my car, sister. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm at the dealership right now, demanding. They're closed. Incidentally, the cops are also here, and they are demanding I leave the premises.

    2. Re:Not my car, sister. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with that. Jeep dealers sure as fuck don't know how the Uconnect systems connect to the mobile data network (or at least they pretend they don't) so you can't get it disabled on a vehicle you buy from them. Computers don't belong in cars. All you auto manufacturers can just fuck off.

  5. Nope by JBMcB · · Score: 5, Informative

    *Perhaps* for self-driving cars, but car manufacturers are SUPER paranoid about driver distraction to the point that there are strict rules about how fast stuff scrolls on a radio, and what types of information can be shown in certain colors, or flashing, or accompanied with sound. An ad blaring at you while you're waiting for a traffic light to change isn't going to happen. All it would take is one driver to say they were startled by the ad, hit the accelerator and smash into a semi truck, and the lawyers would be falling over themselves to file the first lawsuit.

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    1. Re:Nope by arth1 · · Score: 1

      *Perhaps* for self-driving cars, but car manufacturers are SUPER paranoid about driver distraction

      Is that why they project stuff on your windshield now?
      Personally, I find that very distracting.

      To say nothing about non-red/amber lights. Some newer cars make you feel you're sitting in a christmas tree.

    2. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It generally takes us about 8 hours to transition pilots to a HUD. Of course m there's a lot more symbology to learn and interpret than a 2-digit speed and the red bar for automatic braking.

    3. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A well designed HUD keeps the driver's attention on the road ahead rather than looking or feeling around on the dash for controls and information.

      The problem is that most UX experts are some of the most amazingly stupid people you'll meet. Completely incapable of comprehending that a good UI will drop out of your awareness as soon as possible and only be in your awareness enough to actually use. If a user doesn't have to think or notice that there's a UI involved, the job has been done well. It also shouldn't inexplicably change just because there's a new version of the software out.

    4. Re:Nope by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      I was wondering if they were going to tie it into the GPS to make sure that you were actually at a traffic light or stop sign if you were stopped and not waiting to merge into traffic as you are going on/coming off the highway. Or stopped to let an emergency vehicle by or stopped for a school bus when the whole point is to have your attention looking out for pedestrians.

    5. Re:Nope by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I had a relative that contracted for some vehicle manufacturer's for a bit. A project manager "designed" the UI and the team wasn't allowed to deviate from it. Don't blame the UX experts because chances are they got overruled.

    6. Re: Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I absolutely will never buy a car that serves advertising. Pay enough for the damn thing without being distracted/hassled/nagged.

    7. Re:Nope by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      Well, "Waze" does this already; pops up ads when it detects you are stopped...

    8. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *Perhaps* for self-driving cars, but car manufacturers are not nearly paranoid enough about driver distraction to the point that there are strict rules about how fast stuff scrolls on a radio,

      If they were really paranoid, they would do UI studies. What they actually do is a sporatic "this function is disabled" message that you 1) have to read instead of the thing you wanted happening, and 2) is inconsistently applied, encouraging drivers to keep attempting the action, which 3) is a flat touch-screen button without the tactile feedback of a physical button.

      The UI should use physical buttons and controls for common features, with textured surfaces to indicate, by-touch, which button is which, and the steering wheel volume control buttons should never be disabled - a driver might need to drop the volume very quickly, especially if a distracting noise comes on while executing a maneuver.

    9. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      car manufacturers are SUPER paranoid about driver distraction to the point that there are strict rules...

      Add in locking out anything from specific actions to the entire bloody thing for vehicle touch screens. 'course, voice activation always works. I'm expect after a light, we'll have to hit the voice button and sing I'm an Oscar Meyer Weiner to get back to the fucking map.

    10. Re: Nope by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      I feel a blinding rage. One day I am going to wake up and see the lampposts decorated with spammers.

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  6. To paraphrase Bill Hicks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're marketing, kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself.

    1. Re: To paraphrase Bill Hicks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never understood why people think he was funny or good in any way.
      Make bad decisions, criticize everyone else. Take the high road and joke about giving yourself a fatal disease but it's okay cuz I did it for my own personal freedumb.

      I can not laugh at such a sad display.

    2. Re: To paraphrase Bill Hicks... by cunina · · Score: 1

      Bill Hicks was popularizing social critiques that no other comedian (in the 1980s) was touching. Lenny Bruce was dead, and George Carlin was still fighting the long-dead culture wars of the 1960s. You are right, though, Hicks wasnâ(TM)t actually funny, just perceptive.

    3. Re: To paraphrase Bill Hicks... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I personally think he's hilarious, but it's largely funny because it's true stuff.

      Not everybody is going to like his style of humor, but everybody should appreciate the service he provides in terms of pointing out all the bullshit.

  7. Easily fixed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the applcation of a suitably sized hammer.
     

    1. Re:Easily fixed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the applcation of a suitably sized hammer.

      That's the hard way. The easy way is to push the power off button. :-)

  8. Help a simple guy like me out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm a plumber so I'm not a fancy guy who hangs out in corporate boardrooms and such. My office is a 97 Econoline.

    When these people are all sitting around that big mahogany table, in their fancy suits, do they *really* talk to each other like this, or do they think that guys like me are that stupid? If someone came up to me on the street talking like this, I'd punch them right in the mouth.

    "an exciting new opportunity" for vehicle manufacturers to "monetize connectivity to cover service costs and even drive healthy profits while enriching the consumer experience with safely delivered, engaging and relevant offers"...
     

    1. Re:Help a simple guy like me out by tuxkamen · · Score: 1

      Both of your statements are correct.

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    2. Re:Help a simple guy like me out by rnturn · · Score: 1

      ``When these people are all sitting around that big mahogany table, in their fancy suits, do they *really* talk to each other like this, or do they think that guys like me are that stupid? If someone came up to me on the street talking like this, I'd punch them right in the mouth.''

      Not really. There's usually a lot more discussion about `leveraging' things and `reaching out' to `stakeholders'.

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    3. Re:Help a simple guy like me out by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      > do they *really* talk to each other like this, or do they think that guys like me are that stupid?

      yes and yes.

    4. Re:Help a simple guy like me out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You and user 93 Escort Wagon would get along well together.

    5. Re:Help a simple guy like me out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ``When these people are all sitting around that big mahogany table, in their fancy suits, do they *really* talk to each other like this, or do they think that guys like me are that stupid? If someone came up to me on the street talking like this, I'd punch them right in the mouth.''

      Not really. There's usually a lot more discussion about `leveraging' things and `reaching out' to `stakeholders'.

      Don't forget "paradigm shift. You just know that old horse was trotted out for this brainstorming session.

    6. Re:Help a simple guy like me out by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      When these people are all sitting around that big mahogany table, in their fancy suits, do they *really* talk to each other like this, or do they think that guys like me are that stupid?

      Not quite like that. That's the marketing department. I'll do a Marketing to Suitspeech translation below.

      If someone came up to me on the street talking like this, I'd punch them right in the mouth.

      Doood! Anger issues!

      "an exciting new opportunity" for vehicle manufacturers to "monetize connectivity to cover service costs and even drive healthy profits while enriching the consumer experience with safely delivered, engaging and relevant offers"...

      Okay, translation into suitspeak follows:

      This is a disruptive paradigm shifting implementation of a cost center enhancement benefit action item, that will fungibly actualize client-centric, cloud based deliverables. Coupled with seamlessly e-enabling cross platform derivatives, we are foreseeing proactively implemented agents for change, metrics of empowerment, and synergistic monetization.potentialities Weird part is I could say that at a meeting, and people would applaud.

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    7. Re:Help a simple guy like me out by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Yes to all of that. Including punching them in the mouth if you meet them. Now there's an "engaging and relevant offer" for them...

      Seriously, I am silently hoping for a public backlash against advertising, including fed-up politicians proposing bills to limit advertising to print, billboards at bus stops, and text-only web banners. Not going to happen, though.

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    8. Re:Help a simple guy like me out by dk20 · · Score: 1

      this was great.. If i had mod points, +1 for your use of one of the most misused words in business "Fungable".

    9. Re:Help a simple guy like me out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's jump on a call and loop in those stakeholders.

  9. GIANT MIDDLE FINGER by MikeDataLink · · Score: 4, Informative

    Any car that comes with ads will not be purchased by me.

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    1. Re:GIANT MIDDLE FINGER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate driving

      If it drives itself and there is no option without ads it'll get bought and I'll spend a couple weeks installing an ad blocker. Said ad blocker will be a physical switch on speakers and a blackout cover for display if that is what it takes.

    2. Re:GIANT MIDDLE FINGER by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Any car that comes with ads will not be purchased by me.

      They've come with ads for a long time now. Some GPS systems show the logo of nearby stores and restaurants if they pay the car manufacturer a fee.
      And service reminders taken over by an Amazing Offer to activate Sirius XM for FREE for two months.

    3. Re: GIANT MIDDLE FINGER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how are you going to do the ad prompts then? That's right, ads will be interactive and if you don't interact, guess what? The ride stops. "Bolbo Yoghurt is delicious and only has 80 calories. How many calories does Bolbo Yoghurt have? Tap (A) 450 (B) 80 (C) 120 (D) 250. And .. to resume your trip please watch this 15 minute presentation.

    4. Re:GIANT MIDDLE FINGER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any car that comes with ads will not be purchased by me.

      My car is (unfortunately) internet connected by virtue of being bluetooth paired to my phone.

      It downloads software and map updates for the in-dash GPS periodically. The day my car, that I purchased outright from the dealer, starts playing me ads is the day the car dealer buys it back for the purchase price + all fuel and other running costs + interest + court costs and reimbursement for my time. I'll be at the front of the class action.

      It's my car not theirs, just like it's my fucking computer to install an adblocker on if I want.

    5. Re: GIANT MIDDLE FINGER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong.
      They lied when they leased you that car and said it was a sale.
      They retain all ownership until completely paid off, but they always "lose" your last payment and repo the car for it.

      Page 98b in the contract covered all that, nevermind there was no page 98b, you said they could change stuff up without notice so they did.

    6. Re:GIANT MIDDLE FINGER by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I'll consider it if they pay my going rate to rent the ad space. â100 per ad when stationary, or â1000 per ad when moving seems reasonable.

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    7. Re:GIANT MIDDLE FINGER by k.a.f. · · Score: 1

      Dude, any car being designed from now on is going to be a computer. Behaviour will be changed via updates after the fact and there's nothing you can do about it.

    8. Re:GIANT MIDDLE FINGER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sad but the next car you have won't be yours, it'll be leased.

    9. Re:GIANT MIDDLE FINGER by geekymachoman · · Score: 1

      > Any car that comes with ads will not be purchased by me.

      But don't you want to save the planet ? Go green ? Smell your own farts??

      Anyway.. .seeing the trend, exploitation of technology to gain profits.. I'm sure all cars will have ads. Especially self-driving ... and especially if they come from Google or any other "internet company".

    10. Re:GIANT MIDDLE FINGER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never bought a car with a GPS in it. I'm not sure when they started putting those in.

  10. The Moment that happens by oldgraybeard · · Score: 2

    I am getting my tool box/scope, etc out and disassembling removing and cutting wires ;) Just my 2 cents

    1. Re:The Moment that happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am getting my tool box/scope, etc out and disassembling removing and cutting wires ;) Just my 2 cents

      Ah, but you see ... you won't.

      Know why? Because the EULA you won't know about which says the infotainment system is their property and you are merely licensed to use it will prohibit it ... defeating this will get you a DMCA claim against you ... and somehow government will side with automakers because far too many people in government believe the rights of corporations exceed those of humans.

      I'd like to say I'm joking or that I don't think this will happen.

      "Weâ(TM)re talking about taking all the good stuff (the consumer behavior stuff, the location services stuff, the data crunching stuff) and mixing it all together so you have the power to give consumers ads they actually want," promotional material on the site says.

      Me, I think someone should stab the execs of this company and make the world a better place ... not that I'm advocating actual violence, but, you know, if these guys want to start pushing ads into our own private cars, they pretty much need to be stopped.

      The car companies? They're more than willing to sell your location and usage information .. which as far as I'm concerned isn't theirs to sell, and which they shouldn't be legally allowed to collect.

      This is why I will never own a connected car. Why I don't want a connected house. And why I view pretty much anybody who is involved in ads and analytics as a parasite.

      And absolutely every connected device is at its core about ads and analytics -- which should fucking obvious to anybody since the companies selling it are heavily involved in ads and analytics.

      Technology is mostly getting ruined by ad companies, and is precisely why I no longer give a fuck about most modern technology. It's shiny baubles which offer little benefit, but somehow ends up enriching some douchebag who I don't give a fuck about.

      No thanks. I simply won't buy this connected shit.

    2. Re:The Moment that happens by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      DMCA has no teeth on personal property and engineering. I can break encryption at home all i want, i just cant tell anyone about it. This is how they got GeoHot. It wasnt the hack on his own PS3, it was telling others that got him sued.

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    3. Re:The Moment that happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you aren't DMCA'd up the keister, then the ad companies will lobby your legislators saying "this equipment is necessary for the safety of the car" and they will pass more laws that prohibit how and what you can modify on YOUR CAR. They'll call it something like a "Safety Inspection" that you will have to have performed, for a fee, every year.

    4. Re:The Moment that happens by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      "Hey, nice new car but...why do you have an iron spike driven through that dashboard screen?"

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  11. My car? by ugen · · Score: 1

    They can get my 2002 Honda to do that? These people are some kinda stable genius.

    1. Re:My car? by VivereJay · · Score: 0

      If your Honda can get software upgrade when you're at the dealer or at other times, then yes. Only requires the car to have connectivity. I work on the car infotainment systems (though by no means a stable genius!), so can't not know this. The thing that bugs me is how I need to pay for seeing/listening to what *I* want when *I* am in *my* car! If this isn't paying ransom, I don't know what is.

    2. Re:My car? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're enabling it. You're part of the problem.

  12. Don't forget by fredrated · · Score: 1

    to take the duct tape with you when you take that 'self drived' trip.

    1. Re:Don't forget by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      How big of a roll will I need? I'm not sure how many female hitchhikers there will be on the road to California.

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    2. Re: Don't forget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone knows hitchhikers can be dangerous.
      Your self driving car won't stop for them. Remember you already gave it a destination so it does know better than you...

  13. "Offset costs" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "This approach helps car makers offset costs related to connected services, such as wireless data, content, software and cloud services"

    You mean car manufacturers are currently giving these for free?

    1. Re:"Offset costs" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When they do this, it will at most offest future price hikes for the service. It definitely won't reduce the price, because that would reduce the money that the company is being paid.

      Personally, I think it's bullshit that cars are internet connected. Nothing good comes from it that you couldn't get with a removable USB device.

    2. Re:"Offset costs" by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Given that the cheapest internet service you can get for a phone is $50/mo, I'm surprised they include this in cars. A standard port to plug devices in would make more sense I think. Especially as all of this stuff becomes obsolete before it's driven off the lot.

    3. Re:"Offset costs" by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Given that the cheapest internet service you can get for a phone is $50/mo

      Really ? I pay $15/month. Granted, it's only 10GB, but most months that's more than enough.

    4. Re: "Offset costs" by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      >10 Gb for $15 a mon

      I find your bragging insulting

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    5. Re:"Offset costs" by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      How do you manage this? I've only got 300mb a month because I got the smallest data plan possible.

  14. There is an alternative by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I have a paper on Open Cars, written with Lother Determann (a Boalt Hall [Berkeley Law] professor). One of the issues I go over is just how fast the hardware in your car goes obsolete, compared to your phone. Manufacturers want embedded net features because they can have a continuing income after you have purchased the car, from wireless fees (the cellular company kicks back fees to the auto manufacturer) and from advertising and content. But you will end up plugging in a phone less than 2 years old instead of the built-in device.

    The problem is worse with self-driving computers. Who wants one more than 2 years old? Not even the state authorities who will license them.

    Auto manufacturers would like to solve this by having everyone lease their car. An alternative is for the car to have plugs for self-driving and network features, allowing the user more control. The paper has more detail on the social and legal issues.

    I have a 2007 Prius, a 2015 Jeep Grand Cherokee, and a Trailmanor travel trailer. Obviously I commute in the Prius and save the big SUV for tasks that need it. When I bought the Jeep, I rejected the connected version and went for a model with a dumber radio. I doubt I'm alone in making that choice.

    1. Re:There is an alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. I just bought a new Civic and purposely bought the one with the "dumb" radio.

      The problem is you have to get the lowest trim to get this radio but honestly it's not the old days of the "econobox" with crank windows and such. The extra money just gets you luxury items like fancier/more speakers, lane keeping, adaptive cruise and whatnot.
       

    2. Re:There is an alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All my cars are >10 years old. I am putting a new engine in my 18 year old car actually. I make a shitload of money, but I have no interest in new cars. It's easier to fix the old ones.

    3. Re:There is an alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Obviously I commute in the Prius and save the big SUV for tasks that need it. "
      Why is this obvious? And to whom would it be obvious?

    4. Re:There is an alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I own an SUV and not a Prius so this concept is not obvious to me, either.

    5. Re:There is an alternative by eth1 · · Score: 2

      Not only is the electronic stuff obsolete quickly, it's also overpriced to the point of absurdity.

      The last time a salesdroid tried to get me to pay $3k for a navigation system, I pointed out that I could buy a brand new, top-of-the-line standalone GPS with the latest features and maps every year for the next decade for that money. He didn't have an answer for that. :)

    6. Re:There is an alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might not be ALONE in making that choice, but many people still think that "more tech is better", not to mention that more intrusive tech tends to follow along when buying other options such as upgraded headlights, reverse cameras, or keyless ignition.

    7. Re:There is an alternative by scdeimos · · Score: 1

      I used to have a TomTom device years ago... the "free map updates" sitcker on the box only worked for about 12 months. You can buy an Android phone for $79 and get continuously updated maps and navigation directions and any map corrections you lodge are usually updated for everybody within a week.

    8. Re:There is an alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last year I chose a new car that effectively has an Android tablet built into it, because I knew that given time people would figure out a way to hack into it. Sure enough, about a year later, they did. Now I can install what I want and I've installed (for example) software to give me GPS navigation that would have been a $1000 option to get from the vendor, software to keep track of mileage, etc. That's the upside.

      The downside is that it runs an ancient version of Android with known security flaws (it's how people hacked into it!), the vendor hasn't patched them (but at least I know how to mitigate them), and I probably wouldn't generally trust connecting it to wireless networks with a browser, even though it theoretically has that capability.

      Software in vehicles is a nightmare because the lead times for development are so long, the security implications so serious, and the company solution seems to be to lock the whole thing down tightly so you can't customize it unless you break in, both for safety and to preserve their ability to charge outrageous amonts of money for software features.

      The one consolation is a decent number of third-party "headunit" replacements are starting to show up that are many times faster, have much more customization, and integrate reasonably well with the rest of the car. It's not stock, but at least it isn't the software equivalent of a vintage piece of insecure crap sold as the latest innovation.

    9. Re:There is an alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but honestly it's not the old days of the "econobox" with crank windows and such

      Sure would be nice if it *were* the old days in regards to the windows. Modern-day Bowden cable regulators suck ass.

    10. Re: There is an alternative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mazda?

    11. Re:There is an alternative by dk20 · · Score: 1

      i bough into the "we are different" mantra from tomtom as well.. sucked big time. Now i just buy whatever GPS is on sale at costco every year or two and dont worry about the "free map updates".

    12. Re: There is an alternative by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Any phone based navigation does no have voice for local toponymics.

      All standalone maps came with such feature.

      Tech progress is sideways at best.

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      I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
  15. How to lose a customer for life by MrLogic17 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I test drive a car that serves up an ad, not only am I not buying that car - I'm black-listing that brand forever.

    Bring it on punk - see how fast you can drop market share.

    1. Re:How to lose a customer for life by green1 · · Score: 1

      So you're simply not going to drive any more. That's ok with them, you don't have enough market share on your own to influence anything.
      The issue is that it won't be one company doing it, they'd get creamed in the market, it will be all the big companies doing it, so people will just accept it as if it's normal (see TV, the internet, etc)

    2. Re:How to lose a customer for life by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      I'll stick to my motorcycles then. I tend to get older cars and trucks for general running around but with Amazon on the way to delivering everything, I may never have to leave the house (I'm kinda fine with that in general :) ).

      [John]

      --
      Shit better not happen!
    3. Re:How to lose a customer for life by green1 · · Score: 2

      Don't worry, they'll get motorcycles soon enough.
      As for older cars. The automakers have been lobbying for years for a maximum age of cars on the road, with all the recent driver assistance "safety" features added, it wouldn't surprise me if they finally get their way. How dare you drive a car without all of that stuff? Think of the children!

    4. Re:How to lose a customer for life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will drive the cars I currently own. I have rebuilt the transmission and the engine in my 17 year old leather filled sports car. It will never be obsolete, and with new car prices, they will never every be cheaper. It's good to be free!

    5. Re:How to lose a customer for life by green1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Automakers have been lobbying for years for a maximum age of cars on the road, with all the recent driver assistance "safety" features added, it wouldn't surprise me if they finally get their way. How dare you drive a car without all of that stuff? Think of the children!

    6. Re: How to lose a customer for life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do think of the children.

      Just not when they are in the street.
      That's their turn to think...

    7. Re:How to lose a customer for life by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      I'll just uninstall their system, buy older cars, or even build my own before I submit to my car being always connected.

    8. Re: How to lose a customer for life by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Depending how the connected systems are built, one can imagine some amusing aftermarket mods.

      "On GPS, my car has been parked at the summit of Mt Everest for the past three years."

    9. Re:How to lose a customer for life by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      There will be autos without these features, it's a certainty.

    10. Re:How to lose a customer for life by joe_frisch · · Score: 1

      Yes, that is the problem. I'd like to have cell phones that didn't track my activities, but I don't have that option.

      OTOH, I'd be surprised if ads in cars became popular because unlike tracking they are too obviously invasive. I think that audio recording of conversations in cars to "improve customer experiences" and "enhance safety" are much more likely.

    11. Re: How to lose a customer for life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what all you slashdorks said about SmartTVs. Now they are ubiquitous.

      What say you now, nerd?

    12. Re: How to lose a customer for life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What say you now, nerd?

      This one says, "Thanks to the Internet, I've not even owned a TV since 1999."

      Your turn.

    13. Re: How to lose a customer for life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Vaio 55 inch TV I bought a month ago wasn't a SmartTV. Dumb TVs still exist though they have all-HDMI inputs now.

    14. Re:How to lose a customer for life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all of which will be outlawed on the street once these companies lobby your legislators. Good luck with that.

      Was it New York or New Jersey that already tried to outlaw classic cars?

    15. Re:How to lose a customer for life by green1 · · Score: 1

      The article already answers this, you'll be able to pay extra to have the ads removed. As with so many things, as long as the rich don't have to put up with the annoyances, they have no problem forcing it on everyone else.

      Sure they talk about it being discounted if you accept ads, but the reality is that the price with ads is highly unlikely to be any cheaper than the price of vehicles just before the ad "subsidised" ones become available, but the ones without ads will likely come at a significant premium (far more than the company is likely to realistically earn from the ads themselves)

    16. Re:How to lose a customer for life by chihowa · · Score: 1

      There will almost certainly be a "dealer mode" so that the car won't serve up ads when you're test driving it. (That will also be the focus of hacking efforts, which will start a fun new arms race.)

      The ads will only be mentioned during the upsell portion of the purchase (to disable them by recurring subscription fee) or, if they can't be disabled, buried in the fine print.

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      If you want a vision of the future, imagine a youtube comments section scrolling - forever.
    17. Re:How to lose a customer for life by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      What if all the brands unite together and there is no car without it?

      --
      sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
    18. Re:How to lose a customer for life by MrLogic17 · · Score: 1

      What if all the world's volcanoes erupt at once?

      Today nobody is doing in-car advertising. The first one to try will get a LOT of bad press and lose market share.
      The real question is: who's stupid enough to be the first to try this?

    19. Re:How to lose a customer for life by Trogre · · Score: 1

      It won't be a bullet-point feature. It will be integrated into some other must-have bullet-point feature.

      Does your car have HomeSync®, Apple® FunTime® or WontCrashForSure®? Then it serves ads.

      --
      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
  16. Already dislike this in Waze by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Waze does this today (sometimes), which I find pretty annoying. If it happened in a car that I purchased I think I would be tempted to take the car back. If the car were free, maybe I'd accept it.

    I can definitely see this happening in subscription cars though. Still might put up with in in that case, tape cardboard over the screen.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Already dislike this in Waze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waze does this today (sometimes), which I find pretty annoying. If it happened in a car that I purchased I think I would be tempted to take the car back. If the car were free, maybe I'd accept it.

      I can definitely see this happening in subscription cars though. Still might put up with in in that case, tape cardboard over the screen.

      It happens now, OnStar free for 6 -12 months, then you get hounded for the rest of your life with "please renew your $600 a year service" or SiriusXM same thing and it has some value if you are driving long distances but not enough if you just driving around town for that $20 a month plan (almost as bad as cable tv)

    2. Re:Already dislike this in Waze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When Waze started with that nonsense, I discontinued my use of Waze.

      Do I miss Waze? Sure, but not enough to put up with the advertising.

      Give me a subscription option to avoid the ads. If i like the product/price combination enough I will subscribe.

  17. what other industry does that? by sheramil · · Score: 1

    Makes you pay more to avoid services you didn't want in the first place? Coming next, car seats lined with spikes - you pay extra to reduce the frequency of their springing out and jabbing you in the spine. I hope car buyers will avoid vehicles tricked out like this - spiked seats AND advertisements - and Telenav vanishes quickly.

    1. Re:what other industry does that? by green1 · · Score: 1

      What other industry?

      Off the top of my head:
      - Cell phones
      - Internet assistants
      - many IOT devices
      - computers
      - internet routers
      - ISPs
      - TVs
      - Radio broadcast
      - many web pages

      That's just off the top of my head, and just the ones that do it in large bulk at the moment, however just wait, because almost EVERY industry is salivating at exactly this possibility, and the list of ones actually doing it is growing longer by the minute.

    2. Re:what other industry does that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What other industry makes you pay more to avoid services you didn't want in the first place? The computer industry - i.e. pre-installed windows machines with crapware. Now windows contains it's own crapware that advertises at you.
      I think a better question is "what companies are left that DON'T force services you don't want to use the devices/services you do want?" The biggest two driving forces in the last 20 years seem to have been "How can we get this connected so we can serve ads?" and "How can we provide a service so that people give us their information?"

    3. Re:what other industry does that? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      ...Makes you pay more to avoid services you didn't want in the first place?...

      It is an admission by the ad industry that people do not want to see their ads.

    4. Re: what other industry does that? by mapkinase · · Score: 1

      Do you often see ad-free versions of products? They happen from time to time but not often.

      --
      I do not believe in karma. "Funny"=-6. Do good and forbid evil. Yours, Oft-Offtopic Flamebaiting Troll.
  18. Fuck that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is all

  19. Fuck this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I will go out of my way to prevent this. Iâ(TM)ll figure out how to block ads in an automobile and open source the solution.

  20. Already Have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I already have a mobile ad serving platform that I pay for the bandwidth for. It's called a cellphone.

    If a car serves me ads I expect:

    Free oil-changes
    Free towing
    Free gas
    Free insurance
    Free car-washes
    Service to Pay for 60% of the car

    If this is "mandatory" I guarantee that I will either use USB and disable the "infotainment" system altogether, or find creative ways to sabotage it while "under warranty". Antennas can disconnect, cables can corrode, etc.

    1. Re: Already Have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a tough boy, aren't you? Well, we're tougher. If your eyeballs are not in our ads we will know. Ever hear of eye focus tracking? Also if we can't verify the ad audio is playing in your car at minimum volume, we will know. And then we'll shut your car down until everything is fixed again.

  21. No. Just No. by sgage · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If my 'car' (I'm a truck guy) starts 'serving' me ads, I will go ballistic. A man's truck is his own private kingdom. We live in a broken world. Surely there can be somewhere that we can be free of FUCKING ADS! I was in a pretty foul mood before I read this article, but now I am really depressed. Why can't they leave me the fuck alone?

    1. Re:No. Just No. by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Because you can afford a truck.

    2. Re:No. Just No. by sgage · · Score: 1

      Trucks are inexpensive compared to cars. I drive a truck because it's the cheapest way to get 4 wheel drive, and also, I need to haul stuff - hay, firewood, etc. In fact, I'm not sure what your point was.

    3. Re:No. Just No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His point is they advertise to you because you have money to spend. Namaste.

    4. Re:No. Just No. by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      You must not have purchased a truck in the last decade. Top trim packages are hitting $90k.

      --
      Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
    5. Re:No. Just No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must not have purchased a truck in the last decade. Top trim packages are hitting $90k.

      Of course the truck is more than 10 years old. It's being used to actually haul stuff instead of look shiny.

    6. Re:No. Just No. by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      You must not have purchased a truck in the last decade. Top trim packages are hitting $90k.

      Well, that is now, officially, the dumbest shit I've read in the last year. Having the ability to buy a truck does not mean that one needs to purchase the very most expensive model.

      I suppose if someone buys a car they must be buying a Ferrari?

      A brand new 2017 TOYOTA TUNDRA CREW MAX 4X4 is a hair under $40,000. That's less than half of your asinine example.

    7. Re:No. Just No. by sgage · · Score: 1

      You must not have purchased a car in the last decade. The price of a Ferrari with a top trim package is astronomical. See, cars are much more expensive than trucks.

    8. Re:No. Just No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you ArchieBunker! The price of higher end pickups was a shocker to me.

      I shopped for trucks this past summer to haul a 5th wheel RV. I still don't have a truck or 5th wheel and am now considering a class A for about the same price.

    9. Re:No. Just No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $24,610 for a base model F-150, which is pretty cheap for a brand new vehicle. This is something that someone who buys a truck for real work would buy. Granted, if I were to buy a truck, it would be the crew cab in the limited trim at about $54,000, but that's not even true; I'd buy something used.

    10. Re:No. Just No. by trogdor_linux · · Score: 1

      To say that trucks are inexpensive compared to cars is just plain wrong.

    11. Re:No. Just No. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      That's also about a third more expensive than my 2017 Subaru Forester was, which has four-wheel drive and good carrying capacity for a car.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  22. No, you go away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The add stays

  23. Stopped at traffic lights = IN TRAFFIC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > ads only appear when the vehicle is stopped, such as at car startup, traffic lights and upon arrival

    God, no. It's all we can do to make it through an intersection because the first person in line is playing on their phone. They don't need the car automatically distracting them as well.

    Distracting people behind the wheel of a one ton death rocket is a bad idea, period. Please, oh please let common sense prevail, just this once...

    1. Re:Stopped at traffic lights = IN TRAFFIC by sgage · · Score: 1

      It won't prevail. Because PROFIT. Because MONEY. Because CAPITALISM.

    2. Re:Stopped at traffic lights = IN TRAFFIC by dohzer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Making people angry before driving is not going to make the roads any safer.

      Am I the only one who fires up an online video, and if a 15 second ad comes on before it, I think "I didn't actually want to watch it that badly", and close the video within 2 seconds.

    3. Re:Stopped at traffic lights = IN TRAFFIC by Charcharodon · · Score: 1

      What capitalism?

      Can I buy any kind of car I want. No I can't

      Can manufacturers build a car that doesn't comply with 10,000 pages of environmental and safety regulations. No they can't.

      So no capitalism to be found. That is what is known as crony capitalism (AKA socialism)

  24. Re:First ad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cha cha cha chia! The cock that grows

  25. Make lists of the brands and never buy their cars by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    List the news cars that do this and rank them below the most defective decades of car designs.
    Ensure customers looking for a new car online find the warning about ads in cars before they consider that new car.
    Defective by design and to avoid will be the results found, not your brands good reviews.
    Sell ads with a car, enjoy the online comments and news about the car with ads to avoid.
    The more a company tries to sell a car with ads the more the internet will inform people considering that brand and year of car.
    Your brands good engineering reputation cultivated over decades of safe design and style excellence vs the year of the ad.
    Was it worth it?
    Show the ads and people will reconsider what your band is really worth.
    Your brand becomes a warning sign, a joke not a trusted brand of car.
    A car joke shared by generations of people who would have once considered your brand. They now stop, point and LOL at your car with ads.
    They could have been your loyal customers who would have told their friends about your car design, low costs and good price.
    Want to risk people creating images of the ads in your car with your brand as a funny meme that never gets boring for decades?
    Every new ad in your car, your brand shared as a new joke in real time?
    What did your car brand try to sell its captive audience today? Shampoo? Dog food? Lipstick? A big boat? Heath insurance? A coat? A message from a charity? NGO? The political policy of another nation? That last one gets interesting.

    Will a car brands upper management really want to face the US government about spreading "fake news" in their brands cars that millions of US drivers/passengers had to watch everyday all over the USA?
    Did upper management know about the fake news in their ads? Did they report the attempts at fake news to the US gov as required? When did they stop the fake news in their cars ads? Did they accept another nations direct funding to keep the fake news in their cars?
    Have they ever visited the nation that spreads fake news? Do they have a factory in the nation that spreads fake news? Is their brand selling new cars in the nation that spreads fake news?
    If upper management thought questions over catalytic converters, software, crash reports was fun for the brand over the decades, wait for the party political questions about the politics of the ads their once trusted brand showed.

    Your brands upper management, another nations fake news ads displaying in every car sold? Even the security services might take an interest in that ad sale.

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    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  26. Low Tech Version: by Hartree · · Score: 1

    Within this vale
    Of toil and sin
    Your head grows bald
    But not your chin

    Burma Shave

  27. Jack in the box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Fuck you! I'm eating!

  28. Less connectivity in cars by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    >> owners will pay more for connected-car services if they decline the ads.

    I already won't buy any "connected car". I purposely avoid GM (onstar) and Tesla cars just for that reason.
    If it gets to a point where you literally can't buy any unconnected car any more, I'd either build my own or only buy cars where you can still hack the connectivity hardware out.

    1. Re:Less connectivity in cars by Frobnicator · · Score: 1

      only buy cars where you can still hack the connectivity hardware out.

      "Hack" is a very broad term.

      I'm sure car community sites would figure out where the cell chip or cell radio is located. It may take a bit of digging in the vehicle to find the board, but likely only take a twist of a screwdriver or a slice with a utility knife to render the thing inoperable. There will be youtube videos and howto articles within days of the vehicle hitting the streets.

      Probably only a small percentage of owners would use it, but enough people would be sick of the ads and figure out how disable them. I can hook up GPS maps and music on my phone if I want them.

      --
      //TODO: Think of witty sig statement
    2. Re:Less connectivity in cars by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      The internet is laden with reports from people who have tried to disable/remove the Onstar radio that comes compulsorily built-in to all GM brand cars (so Chevvy, Buick etc).

      Some people with older models have success, but its amazing how "coincidentally" many people find right after they disable Onstar all sorts of problems with what would logically be totally unrelated systems (commonly the cruise control and other miscellaneous engine lights) start happening that would require you to take the car to a dealer.

      I fully expect car manufacturers like Tesla and GM will soon be blatant about it and just make their (note it was never really your) car completely inoperable if the "always connected" feature is in any way tampered with.

    3. Re:Less connectivity in cars by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      "The thing" you render inoperable with a knife will be the whole radio/nav/driver information system. Which, on modern cars, might also be the entire instrument panel. It wouldn't surprise me that it, in turn, stops the vehicle from running at all.

      And at that point, I might just have to turn into a car enthusiast to build my own kit car, or keep one from 30 years ago running.

    4. Re:Less connectivity in cars by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      And you can be damn sure I'll play "Red Barchetta" every time I take it out.

  29. Ford by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    "Auto makers including Toyota, Lexus, Ford, GM and Cadillac already use the company's connected-car products, the spokeswoman said. "

    I don't know about the others above, but Ford's (you don't have any...) privacy policy SUCKS, so I don't use their services. It's only going to get worse. I can not use their services now, but it's not too far over the horizon where they're mandatory and you'll basically have a shrink-wrap license/privacy policy for you car that you'll have to accept in toto just to be able to drive it.

    And get off my lawn.

  30. Lies Lies Lies! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > This approach helps car makers offset costs related to connected services, such as wireless data, content, software and cloud services

    I just don't believe this. I have an advanced vehicle infotainment center. I won't pay for the services because it is expensive. It's not like I get the connected services for free from the auto maker. I had to buy the head unit as well as part of my vehicle's purchase price.

    The real reason? Someone has figured out that they have a captive audience of millions of drivers in densely packed metro areas with poor traffic flow.

    1. Re:Lies Lies Lies! by sgage · · Score: 1

      Besides, I don't want ANY of this shit!!! Off-setting costs for all this garbage that I DO NOT WANT! Fucking corporate nonsense...

  31. Re: First ad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sitting in an autonomous car being bombarded with ads? Not with the Privacy Hood. Just pull it over your head and tell the rest of the world to fuck off.

  32. at traffic lights??!!!! by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So you are distracted at the traffic light and don't see the kid on a bicycle that is riding along the line of stopped cars, and you then turn and kill him when the light turns green?

    Or someone jogging across at the last moment during yellow light?

    No. Drivers need to pay attention at the lights!

    1. Re:at traffic lights??!!!! by dkman · · Score: 1

      I also have a problem with it breaking into my song on the radio to serve an ad. Or flashy blinky ads while I'm trying to pay attention.

      When I start the car, before the radio engages, then fine.

      When I turn the car off, fine (because I'm usually out of the car within seconds and won't see/hear your ad anyhow.

      Certainly don't have ads that disrespect the volume control though. I already deal with a reverse beep that I have no control over, and it annoys me.

      --
      I refuse to sign
    2. Re:at traffic lights??!!!! by geekymachoman · · Score: 1

      > So you are distracted at the traffic light and don't see the kid on a bicycle that is riding along the line of stopped cars, and you then turn and kill him when the light turns green?

      If you can be so distracted by an AD as to KILL somebody (while starting to move the car in whatever direction) then you shouldn't be driving cars in the first place.

      You would have to be blind, deaf and retarded to drive over somebody from a traffic light stop. Not only that, but they too have to be deaf blind and retarded for this to happen.

      Worst case scenario, you would just bump into him.

  33. This won't work out well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine the dealers having to handle the complaints, which they will certainly pass on to the manufacturers.
    I simply will not buy a product that advertises to me. I already don't go to the shell station nearby because it tries to make me watch ads and stupid celebrity news clips.
    People vote with their wallet, and the dealer isn't going to want you to know that your car will advertise to you - that's going to be a huge buzzkill when you get in the driver's seat to test drive the car.
    When customers find out, they WILL complain, and it's the deal they'll complain to.

  34. Sad by jimbrooking · · Score: 1

    Why, you ask? Apparently, advertising sells stuff. But I wonder what sort of personality sits around and waits for an ad from - the TV? The radio? a magazine? A website? His f-ing CAR? to tell him or her how to dispose of any cash or credit balance he or she may have lying around.

    Shouldn't it work like: "Hmm. My shirt collar is frayed so I think I will go to Nordstrom's where I buy all my shirts and buy another one."?

    Do people REALLY hear an ad for two fidget spinners for the price of one, forget about the frayed collar and rush to the nearest Dollar General to "save" a dollar and buy two fidget spinners for the price of one?

    It's hard to believe that the public en masse is so malleable that advertising on every blank surface, every quiet moment, every damned thing you look at, hear or read is glommed onto by peddlers. But that's the acquisitive mentality in our world today.

    1. Re:Sad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It'll be connected to the GPS, and the big customers are going to be fast food restaurants just ahead of you. Targeted and relevant ads. You might not even notice, but you'll start getting cravings...

  35. New driving experiences from ads? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    ... as well as new driving experiences that come from the highly-targeted and relevant offers delivered based on information coming from the vehicle."

    What a HUGE pile of crap. Someone has been smoking too much crack and, quite frankly, not drinking enough Kool-Aid.

    --
    It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
  36. Easily fixed... by rnturn · · Score: 1

    ... with several strips of duct tape. (Yeah, yeah... I know the display is used for other things.)

    Seriously... with smartphone storage capacity as large as it is, who hasn't already downloaded a metric ton of MP3s to their phones that they can listen to in the car obviating the need for an online connection?

    This company is selling a solution in search of a problem. I don't see this addressing any problems encountered by drivers.

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    CUR ALLOC 20195.....5804M
    1. Re:Easily fixed... by Alypius · · Score: 1

      Problem statement: There are idiots who drive our cars. How can we best take fiscal advantage of this?

  37. Not perhaps by waspleg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There is a reason Google is one of the corporations throwing a fuck load of money at self-driving cars; namely a captive audience.

    1. Re:Not perhaps by bmimatt · · Score: 1

      Upvote the parent, please.

  38. Not necessary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having a connected car makes no sense. We all have cell phones. This idea of connecting ones car to the internet is a 90â(TM)s idea that eeds to go away.

  39. Ads don't enrich anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    while enriching the consumer experience

    To whichever nameless marketing drone that wrote that: go fuck yourself.

    1. Re:Ads don't enrich anything by Alypius · · Score: 2

      Curiously, an edition of the Encyclopedia Galactica which conveniently fell through a rift in the time-space continuum from 1000 years in the future describes the Marketing Department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation as: "A bunch of mindless jerks who were the first against the wall when the revolution came."

    2. Re:Ads don't enrich anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First against the wall?
      They will have to fight with the Lawyers who become politicians for that spot. Then the rest of the legal pro(fession). I say 'pro' because they prostitute themselves all the time.
      Beside, Marketeers and Advertising people deserve the most horrible, painful, slow and sadistic death possible. Just for all the pain they deliver to us on a daily basis.

  40. hell the fuck, NO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    do. not. want.

    i don't even need or want a "connected car".

    i know how to read a fucking map and prepare ahead of time for ventures into unfamiliar areas and cities... and if that preparation fails due to car breakdown, road closures, etc... you still have your phone to call for help or look shit up on.

  41. Over my dead body by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    KMA, advertisers!

  42. Don't even try it by speedlaw · · Score: 1

    I almost never go to the movies anymore...why ? Not overpriced popcorn, sticky floors, or blabbing kids...no, ads. I paid for the film, don't mind a few promos, but the long reel of ads before the long reel of ads that come with the feature turn me off so much that I don't think of going to the movies unless I REALLY want to see the film...otherwise I'll just wait till it comes out on disc or stream. There is NO way in hell that a vehicle, for which I've paid at least 25k for, has to serve me ads. Period. It's not a free product like radio or OTA TV or even a web page where the ads pay the bills....no, I bought this car. All you marketers working on this...let me be very clear....die...in...a...fire....

  43. Perfect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just what we needed, more distraction while driving.

  44. What I find interesting is... by buss_error · · Score: 1

    ... that advertisers don't seem to be willing to acknowledge that they are annoying, unwelcome, and unloved for the most part. There are exceptions, but they are few and far between (I thought the Bud Lite frog ads were kinda cute, but they got old fast. The Clydesdale ads were a bit better, but they got old too.)

    I never use my smart phone to browse any sites but my own. The Madison Ave. crowd seems to go wild when someone uses an iPhone on their sites to the point that I refuse, absolutely, to do so.

    It seems to me that those that wish to sell to us learn to romance us a bit before sticking right up our ... buying chute. If car manufacturers want to include a never ending stream of ads in the car, I may have to invest in a Taser to "discourage" such interruptions. Noting like 10Kva on a computer circuit to "suggest" submission.

    But likely they'll make it so that if the ads don't play, the car doesn't run. Pity, that. I kind of gotten used to cars rather than horses for transportation.

    --
    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
  45. Make This Unlawful by ewhac · · Score: 1

    To prevent driver distraction, "ads only appear when the vehicle is stopped, such as at car startup, traffic lights and upon arrival.

    Waze already does this.

    It's fscking infuriating. A distraction is still a distraction, even when the vehicle's stopped. Fsck, it's even more of distraction when stopped, one of the few times I can actually devote attention to the map to see where I'm going next, only to have the whole $(GOD)-damned thing squatted over by a piece of paid vandalism screaming about the shitty chain restaurant six blocks away.

    Drivers already have enough distractions. The NTSB should rule this stuff as impermissible.

  46. Obligatory Futurama by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Funny

    Leela: Didn't you have ads in the 21st century?

    Fry: Well sure, but not in our dreams. Only on TV and radio, and in magazines, and movies, and at ball games... and on buses and milk cartons and t-shirts, and bananas and written on the sky. But not in dreams, no siree.

    --
    #DeleteFacebook
  47. On engine start? This will end well... by Alypius · · Score: 1

    "You can shift out of park after 20 seconds of this ad"

  48. Just like your smart phone by Required+Snark · · Score: 1
    The phone you carry is not for communications. It is not for taking pictures/movies, email, music, streaming videos, or navigation either. It has one basic purpose: to monetize you. All it's other nominal functions are subsumed by that "prime directive". The arbitrary behavior that everyone finds annoying are not accidental, but are the symptoms of how it makes money off you. Bloatware, trackers and their battery draining antics are not a price you pay for convenience, but drive the design and ecosystem of the smart phone environment.

    Even if you don't use it for anything other then phone calls it still harvests data about your movements and that generate profit for someone. You don't even really own it. You can't remove or turn off any of the "features". Ownership means control, and when the user cannot stop intrusive behavior they are no longer in charge.

    Every other economic sector lusts after this monetization model. They want the profit that comes from the simple act of buying a device. You pay for the illusion of ownership, and their profit stream lasts for the life of the device.

    Of course car companies are drooling over this prospect. So is every company that wants to put an always on internet connected device in to your life. There's money to be made on "smart" thermostats and light switches after they are installed. Your boss would love to know when you got to bed and combine that information with where you stopped after you got off work and how much time you spent watching the TV before you turned out the lights. That data could be a great help to an employer who is deciding who to promote or who to fire. And you will be paying to get every device. Sucker.

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    Why is Snark Required?
  49. Pffft! by stolidobserver · · Score: 1

    Not likely. Any device that tries to show/tell me ads is going to be disabled without question within the first days of ownership. There is a way around everything. Of course I won't pay for connected car "services" to begin with so that might make a difference. After the internet, I don't need any more services where I pay for those A-Holes to advertise to me. Then again, this is a prime time to invest and go all in on something so I can later sue someone into submission after "their product makes me crash my car". Hmmm.... another tough choice of what kind of person I am.

  50. Great idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because distracted driving is cool...

    1. Re:Great idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see who claims responsibility when a pedestrian dies after the driver is distracted by an ad. Hopefully, the ad execs will pay.

  51. introduced in a later update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course not you silly silly, you buy a car without ads, then the mandatory update adds ads ;)

  52. Fuck Norway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone should shoot about 5,000 nukes at Norway.

    1. Re:Fuck Norway by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Why? They don't have any oil, do they?

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    2. Re:Fuck Norway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re: Fuck Norway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Norway has oul out the wazoo

    4. Re: Fuck Norway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because some crazy Swede did it in a DOS game.

    5. Re:Fuck Norway by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      No, just stupid people if they allowed that to happen.

    6. Re:Fuck Norway by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      When someone has to refer to Wikipedia to get one of my jokes, I know I should probably stick with the day job. Ah, well.

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
  53. Re: First ad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now with ads on the inside of the hood to keep you company!

  54. #freedumbs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its not just because Im cheap I drive a truck built in the 1970s. No BigBrother inside.

  55. Ha! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I drive a 90's VW TDI with no infotainment. The radio has had a blown fuse for a decade (I don't listen to music anyhow). This is as high tech of a car as I can stand. I will not buy a car with infotainment. It needs to get me from point A to point B, not entertain me.

    I choose to not have a TV or any such entertainment device at home because I don't care for it. But a car is a necessity since the grocery store is 8 miles away. Fuck. I hope my VW keeps chugging along!

  56. Radio? by Berkyjay · · Score: 1

    I ditched that the minute I was able to connect an MP3 player to my stereo.

    1. Re:Radio? by magzteel · · Score: 1

      I ditched that the minute I was able to connect an MP3 player to my stereo.

      I mostly stream too but trying to stream radio is massively painful. It's distracting opening up the app, selecting a station. Changing stations is painful and slow. It's a completely different experience from changing station on a builtin sound system. Sometimes I want to throw the phone out the window

    2. Re:Radio? by Berkyjay · · Score: 1

      I don't stream. I just load my old iPod with my music and set it on random play.

  57. Adverts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... based on information coming from the vehicle ...

    You are a single male driving towards Bambi's Back-street Brothel: Would you like the location of the nearest ATM?

    On the one hand, this advert system isn't for the driver, it's for passengers. On the other, we already have adverts in television, radio, magazines, web-pages and software. People won't care about adverts in a car entertainment system.

  58. It would be huge red flag to buying that brand by ukoda · · Score: 1

    Any brand that was so desperate to make money that they would try such shit is not going to sell to me. Think about it, if they are that desperate for a few dollars what is their warranty plan going to be like? Sorry sir your wheel falling off is not covered because you rotated it past 360 degrees...

  59. Re:First ad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There you go mixing up your units again...

  60. why do I want by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

    My car to be connected to the internet?
    Why can't my car just be a car?

  61. Ummmm... by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

    SCREW THAT. FUCK ADS.

  62. Your Car May Soon Start Serving You Ads by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

    Why? Someone going to sneak into my backyard and install a radio or something I can't turn off??

  63. I will fight this with claws and teeth. by Moldiver · · Score: 1

    No ads in my car. In fact no ads in my life - I hate this annoying liars.

  64. Think again sparky by Charcharodon · · Score: 1

    Yeah...no it won't. No car I own will ever send me adds.

    When are fuckers going to figure out that I haven't paid attention to advertisement after say the age of 10 or so. I can't think of one time as an adult that I have bought anything based on an add.

    1. Re:Think again sparky by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      ...When are fuckers going to figure out that I haven't paid attention to advertisement after say the age of 10 or so....

      To me it seems that the ad people know that, it's the hidden secret of the industry. However, that does not prevent them from telling the advertisers, i.e., those who buy the ad slots, that advertising works.

  65. So who is paying for distraction-caused accidents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And don't tell me that the ads "only" take up any amount of time that the driver could otherwise spend on recuperating from having to pay constant attention to traffic.

  66. Tinfoil will help... literally by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    > I fully expect car manufacturers like Tesla and GM will soon be blatant
    > about it and just make their (note it was never really your) car completely
    > inoperable if the "always connected" feature is in any way tampered with.

    Let's say you figure out where the antenna is, and sheild it. What are they gonna do? You lose connectivity with the mothership everytime you go through a tunnel or into an underground garage. Heck, even deep mountain valleys have similar connectivity losses. And what about people who drive in isolated areas, far from the nearest cell tower?

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    I'm not repeating myself
    I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
    1. Re:Tinfoil will help... literally by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      They'll figure out a way to make sure your car HAS to connect sometimes.

  67. More distracted drivers. by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    The purpose of advertising to to steal your attention away from whatever you are doing and focus it upon the ad. How is this going to end up in a happy place for drivers?

  68. Stopping is not parking... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    ...To prevent driver distraction, "ads only appear when the vehicle is stopped, such as at car startup, traffic lights and upon arrival," Telenav said....

    It is still distracted driving, even if you are stopped at a traffic light. Indeed, many, many distracted-driving tickets are issued at traffic lights. For example, if you're engaged with your device, how are you going to see when the light changes?

  69. Yet more distraction.... by Heebie · · Score: 1

    Ads are specifically designed to call attention to themselves. In cars, that calls attention AWAY from the road, and from concentrating on operating the vehicle safely. This should not be allowed to happen, full stop.

  70. BlackMirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So "Fifteen Million Merits" (episode 2 of Black Mirror) is not that far fetched after all. We are already watching compulsory ads at the cinema.

  71. FM vs DAB by DrYak · · Score: 2

    Digital is a trap to set you up for subscription services and to monitor you.

    Fun fact :
    - digitial isn't a requirement for encryption, Analog signals used to be encrypted too (though they proved to be easier to crack).
    - encryption isn't an obligation on digital signal : in lot of countries (e.g.: in europe), DAB is broadcast the exact same way as FM - freely for anyone to catch. No subscription, DRM or whatever. And public channels (those paid by public funds, like taxes or via a separate non-government taxation system - e.g.: in CH) never air advertisement.
    The "free for all to catch" also applies to digital TV : at least in Europe modern DVB-T / TNT is as available for anyone to listen to as our grand parent's PAL/SECAM. You don't need to subscribe to some cable procvider if you need TV.

    It's on your side of the atlantic pond that every single technology evolution is seen as a giant excuse to monetise the shit out of it.

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    "Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
    1. Re:FM vs DAB by Agripa · · Score: 1

      - encryption isn't an obligation on digital signal : in lot of countries (e.g.: in europe), DAB is broadcast the exact same way as FM - freely for anyone to catch. No subscription, DRM or whatever. And public channels (those paid by public funds, like taxes or via a separate non-government taxation system - e.g.: in CH) never air advertisement.

      Unlike FM, DAB is buried under a patent pool which requires licensing.

      They also seem hell bent on obsoleting it periodically so new receivers have to be purchased.

  72. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sept. 5, 2019, President Mike Pence into law to begin mandatory implantation of OLED displays inside the eyelids of all U.S. citizens with internal audio in the inner ear. This allow blipverts to be transmitted in the wink of an eye when you blink your eyes, transmission of government-sponsored True News and ads to be seen everytime you eyes close. ICE and other law enforcement officers will be able to determine identify of citizens and non-citizens remotely with embedded codes.

  73. And people called me crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And people wonder why I say that if I ever bought a connected car the first thing I'd do is disable its communications systems. Sadly this was a virtual certainty the moment cars built in systems got connectivity.

  74. Highly probable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    those vehicles will likely be subjected to a barrage of shotgun blasts

  75. Autonomous Cars? by Zeekort · · Score: 1

    For regular cars we all drive ourselves, I say NO! Even if the car is stopped it's unacceptable to bombard the driver with ADs while they're getting ready to go. We already have people sitting at lights and not going when they change from red to green and then almost hitting others when they do get going. That is just with texting and other mobile phone use. For autonomous self-driving cars, there should be less of a threat to public safety so I can see that being a thing especially if they're surfing the net on the dashboard. However, I still say NO! The space people have in which they aren't bombarded with ADs is shrinking so the line must be drawn somewhere.

  76. What's New Here? by kenwd0elq · · Score: 1

    There's nothing new with ads appearing in navigation services; my Garmin Nuvi displays ads for customers along the route, and Waze displays ads at stop signs and in heavy traffic.

  77. But Not In Dreams by careysub · · Score: 1
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  78. Lawsuit ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Cars advertisement distracted me and caused me to crash.... (wonder how much they'll get out of that one)

  79. Robotic cars should monitor your ad listening by Visarga · · Score: 1

    And if they catch you distracted, closing your eyes, covering your ears, or not buying in the next 24 hours, then you're banned.

  80. Will someone find H. P. Jin's address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And post it so we can post bills on every door and window of his house until they cannot be used?

  81. TO: the first person to see one of these ads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you see the first ad immediately drive to Telenav and shoot the CEO in the head.

  82. More to boycott by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would never buy a product or service that advertised inside my car. I already boycott products and services with intrusive and obnoxious online ads

    1. Re:More to boycott by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Soon you won't be able to buy anything! Bla ha ha ha ha
      There is no escape!

      On the street - an ad.
      In the car - an ad.
      In the bathroom - an ad.
      In your own bathroom with your new fancy japanese toilet - an ad that sings to you.

  83. Oh, HELL NO. by jcr · · Score: 1

    If I take a car for a test drive and it spams me, I will take it right back to the dealer and tell them to go fuck themselves in no uncertain terms.

    -jcr

    --
    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  84. I donâ(TM)t like it but I understand it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The infrastructure and continued services cost money. If you want the goodies free you get ads if you want it ad free you pay and if you donâ(TM)t want it just disable it or replace the head unit b

  85. Go right on ahead. by NormanHaga2580 · · Score: 0

    Serve me up ads. I have a J2534 pass though and know how to use it.

    Come to think of it, a new business opportunity - turn off ads in cars.

  86. Two words: by GrahamJ · · Score: 1

    Fuck. That.

  87. enough ads already! by sad_ · · Score: 1

    i see them all the time on billboards when driving, i hear them all the time coming out of my radio, i don't need any more ads while driving, i'm overloaded already!

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  88. Not really in the US by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    Since most states in the US prohibit video displays within sight of the driver, this will not be a video ad feature. Audio ads are, well, like radio, and that's pretty well ubiquitous and already happening, so this competed with OTA and Internet sources.

    Feh. This is a nonstarter for me. Not a big deal.

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    1. Re:Not really in the US by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Since most states in the US prohibit video displays within sight of the driver

      My car has three displays within my sight. Two of them have information related to driving, and one is for the entertainment system. As far as I know, the car is legal in all states.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    2. Re:Not really in the US by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Which one plays video?

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    3. Re:Not really in the US by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Ah, you mean video in the sense of entertainment, while I was taking video to mean a video screen regardless of use.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    4. Re:Not really in the US by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Of course. graphical displays aren't new.

      This where I'm tempted to ask 'do I look that stupid to you?', but that's an old trick you won't fall for.

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  89. COMPLETELY FUCKING EVIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as is all the other consumer-fucking / spying that companies are doing to people. Fuck them.

  90. Typical: tech idea not well thought out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how is this business going to deal with lawsuits the result from accidents caused by their product distracting the driver?? Or is it only going to put ads up when the car is stopped and turned off.

    Get the popcorn out!

  91. Oh, fuck me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're going to use locations services and cookies to track where you've been and never forget it, just like with the web.

    So, if you happen to stop by an adult toy store one day and the next day drive your boss to a meeting, there's going to be an awkward silence when the ball-stretcher ad starts playing.

  92. Nope. by Ferretman · · Score: 1

    Not gonna happen...

    Ferret

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  93. Why do people put up with this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good reason to turn media OFF!

  94. Licensing by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Unlike FM, DAB is buried under a patent pool which requires licensing.

    It might surprise you, but actually FM *is* licensed.
    Not the technology per se.

    But the actual frequency bands used by FM, DAB, TV, DVB, etc. are all subject of heavy licensing.
    You are not allowed to through whatever you want on any frequency. Some are reserved, and that's the case with those used by public broadcast (radio, television).
    (Though some European region like UK tend to have lots or "pirate" unlicensed radios).

    Currently, the licensing is a big part of the cost of operating a small radio. And FM bandwidth is very congested all over Europe - which increases the bid for frequencies.
    By grouping lots of mid/low bandwidth radios in a single DAB emitter, DAB is actually *reducing* the costs of lots of small-scale radios. Lots of them have publicly mentioned being happy to do the switch, there are example of small regional radio who where about to lose their FM license, but still managed to keep on air thanks to DAB.

    The only radio actually suffering from the FM to DAB switch are the "pirate" unlicensed radios.
    Once you remove the cost of bandwidth license, equipment is the next big cost, and currently emitting a unlicensed DAB radio requires a tiny bit more equipment than an unlicensed FM radio (but even that is changing, there are opensource project for SDR to emit DAB). There have been (very low-power) public "happenings" emitting locally DAB in public places.

    Regarding the patent pool :

    We're speaking about DAB and DVB. i.e.: about things happening in Europe, not in the US.
    In lots of local jurisdiction 100% pure software patents are a no-no. (e.g.: France doesn't recognize pure software patents, but only recognize patents that cover software as part of the implementation of an actual physical invention. - i.e.: you cannot patent AAC in France, only make a patent for a hardware codec module that a radio station will screw into their rack).

    As far as I know, the only patented bit is the AAC codec that's available on DAB+.
    (and as a pure software patent, not something easily enforceable in most European countries).

    Also, there are actual experiment of bringing OPUS to DAB.
    It's not something that is actually part of any official standard, but it's experiments going on, due to absence of patents and overall better audio quality.

    They also seem hell bent on obsoleting it periodically so new receivers have to be purchased.

    Technically, not much has changed since the introduction of the first DAB variants.
    The latest DAB+ is still more or less the same signal.
    Even the OPUS based experiment mentioned above are STILL the same signal.

    The only difference is the audio-stream used by the radio channels.
    Older DAB used MPEG Audio Layer II (i.e.: MP3's grand-dad), current DAB+ adds the possibility to use AAC.

    Any receiver is actually able to receive both.
    The problem is lots receiver were done in a very stupid manner (to diminish the costs) using single chip solution.
    And although the media system in your car is actually already able to decompress and play an AAC audio stream (e.g.: when reading a file from a USB drive, when using a digital connection to an Apple iPhone/iPod, etc.) the radio part is done stupidly and not future proof - i.e.: it doesn't send a digital stream to the media player to decode, but the DAB receiver decodes the sound it self on the fly and send the audio.
    So when the compression format on the DAB gets upgraded (to something that the media player component supports already any way), instead of just changing the decompression, you need to throw away and rebuy the whole DAB receiver.

    That's as stupid as being forced to upgrade your laser printer just because you upgraded your word processing software.

    If OPUS ever gets accepted into an actual official standard (DAB++ ?), you'll be sure to see the same shitshow (device which actually can play OPUS

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