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FreeBSD's New Code of Conduct (freebsd.org)
FreeBSD has a new code of conduct, which is making several people angry. From the blog post: This code of conduct applies to all spaces used by the FreeBSD Project, including our mailing lists, IRC channels, and social media, both online and off. Anyone who is found to violate this code of conduct may be sanctioned or expelled from FreeBSD Project controlled spaces at the discretion of the FreeBSD Code of Conduct Committee. Participants are responsible for knowing and abiding by these rules. Harassment includes but is not limited to: Comments that reinforce systemic oppression related to gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, mental illness, neurodiversity, physical appearance, body size, age, race, or religion. Unwelcome comments regarding a person's lifestyle choices and practices, including those related to food, health, parenting, drugs, and employment. Deliberate misgendering. Deliberate use of "dead" or rejected names. Gratuitous or off-topic sexual images or behaviour in spaces where they're not appropriate.
Physical contact and simulated physical contact (e.g., textual descriptions like "hug" or "backrub") without consent or after a request to stop. Threats of violence. Incitement of violence towards any individual, including encouraging a person to commit suicide or to engage in self-harm. Deliberate intimidation. Stalking or following. Harassing photography or recording, including logging online activity for harassment purposes. Sustained disruption of discussion. Unwelcome sexual attention. Pattern of inappropriate social contact, such as requesting/assuming inappropriate levels of intimacy with others. Continued one-on-one communication after requests to cease. Deliberate "outing" of any private aspect of a person's identity without their consent except as necessary to protect vulnerable people from intentional abuse. Publication of non-harassing private communication without consent. Publication of non-harassing private communication with consent but in a way that intentionally misrepresents the communication (e.g., removes context that changes the meaning). Knowingly making harmful false claims about a person.
Physical contact and simulated physical contact (e.g., textual descriptions like "hug" or "backrub") without consent or after a request to stop. Threats of violence. Incitement of violence towards any individual, including encouraging a person to commit suicide or to engage in self-harm. Deliberate intimidation. Stalking or following. Harassing photography or recording, including logging online activity for harassment purposes. Sustained disruption of discussion. Unwelcome sexual attention. Pattern of inappropriate social contact, such as requesting/assuming inappropriate levels of intimacy with others. Continued one-on-one communication after requests to cease. Deliberate "outing" of any private aspect of a person's identity without their consent except as necessary to protect vulnerable people from intentional abuse. Publication of non-harassing private communication without consent. Publication of non-harassing private communication with consent but in a way that intentionally misrepresents the communication (e.g., removes context that changes the meaning). Knowingly making harmful false claims about a person.
... but if I did, I would quit. This is over the top. It feels more like a blanket list of vague infractions to have on hand so that they can rid of anyone they feel like.
Someone at FreeBSD needs a hug.
On the Linux mailing list, "deliberate intimidation" is graded like a gymnastic routine, 1-10 points. Linus has the most points so far.
I kind of want to see what happens if FreeBSD forks into Conservative and Liberal branches. I want to see which side attracts more developers, and which distribution gets more downloads!
This Code of Conduct is based on the example policy from the Geek Feminism wiki.
I am all for equal rights, but feminism is something else entirely.
Free software is all about community. I don't see anything in that list that I would *want* in my community. What's so controversial about having a policy that says you need to not be jerks to each other? This is behavior that would not be tolerated in a workplace or just about anywhere else.
Oh I dunno. A few people were very anti Damore and used the ingenious strategy of "I have an excellent argument as to why his memo was unacceptable but I've posted it in the past, people didn't accept it so I refuse to rehash it".
It's the Fermat's Margin Note strategy for winning - or at least not losing - slashdot arguments.
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Actually you are being to much of a geek, and not enough SJW. In this context a "dead name" is the previous name of a transgender before they changed. And yes, I had to google it.
Yeah, it doesnt say much for the progress of FreeBSD development when they are focusing on the welfare of a handful a transgendered software developers instead of... you know... the actual operating system they are developing.
What I want to know is why an Operating System development mailing list would talk about such subjects? There has to be better forums for that. If I was writing a Code Of Conduct, I think that I would be telling people not to post politically charged content that has nothing to do with OS development, regardless of subject matter.
FreeBSD obviously feels that this code of conduct, together with the associated concepts of diversity, inclusion and acceptance, will promote the quality, usefulness and innovation of their software.
Let's take the opportunity to run an experiment. In five years, will FreeBSD be strong, admired and above all, be downloaded and used, compared to its less enlightened peers? Which paradigm will prevail?
I propose that we revisit this topic yearly, to assess.
Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
I have a much shorter code of conduct:
Don't be an asshole. If you are behaving as an asshole you are given one chance of behaving like a mature adult, if you don't you can leave.
codes of conduct are known for being extremely toxic. if you're someone reading this who doesn't understand that, look at the keywords: is there *anything* positive in them? just look at the word type, and substitute "positive" or "negative" instead of the actual word. then count the two types up, and ask yourself the question, "what kind of person do you think this would attract?"
it would attract two types of people wouldn't it: one that is absolutely terrified of making mistakes - of being the kind of person that the document ACCUSES people of being. and the other type would be precisely the kinds of people MOST LIKELY to ignore such proscriptions and do them anyway.
so what, *exactly*, do you think these kinds of documents achieve? they describe - and attract - the very things that people fear will happen, and at the very best poison (toxify) the working environment for absolutely everyone involved with the project.
a much better approach would be to use something like the bill of ethics (titanians.org). it's effectively a "forth normalised form" document, that "unpacks on demand". it defines what an "ethical act" is, and encourages and invites its upholders to act ethically. that *requires* that the participants think through incidents very carefully but WITHOUT having incredibly dangerous "toxic proscriptive lists"... which are never complete anyway.
True but irrelevant. The Necronomicon has nothing to do with the social notion of a "dead name" which roughly translates to "Don't call me by the hated name my inauthentic narcissistic parents gave me, even though I have been too lazy or inconsistent to legally change it, yet I will become enraged and publicly insulting if you do not refer to me by an obtuse nickname I've only told to a handful of people I felt safe disclosing it to."
With respect to the policy overall, it's like an angsty high-school kid exploded on the page, with a convoluted list of serious actual crimes intermixed with imagined slights and vague conditions defined by perception rather than action or intent. The list translates roughly to: "We're having technical difficulties adulting just now. Please leave us alone for a few years while we remove the sideways tampon from our sense of community, and ability to differentiate between criminal acts and mild transgressions that function as social lubricant. It's going to be a minute."
In both cases: "TL;DR: Ignore me."
I think not...(*poof*)
This code of conduct applies to all spaces
And what about tabs, f*cking pieces of steaming sh*t? How can you dare to ignore my blank space and indentation identity? What are you, animals? LOL.
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You just don't realize that if you ever get the kind of world you keep hoping for, you'll probably be one of the first to go in the dustbin.
You just don't realize that we are laughing at people like you. You, Trump and Damore need to go into the dustbin.
If /. adopted the BSD code of conduct, your comment would be in violation at a minimum of "Unwelcome comments regarding a person's lifestyle choices and practices".
...which one of the things it bans do you think should be allowed?
Reading through it, it seems pretty reasonable. If I were leading a team, I would not want someone on that team who would treat other team members in any of the ways this policy bans. Seems like it could be summed up as "Don't be a creep or an asshole."
Any large community has a few people who don't understand boundaries and expected behavior unless they are explicitly defined in writing. You might call them autistic, maybe they're not that and are just assholes, who knows. You'll find some kind of rules in every large club or organization that has been around long enough.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Amazingly, those are the only ones that seem to actually do any work.
But maybe that's just because the loudmouth mob of straight white male-hating non-straight white males are giving everybody else such a bad name.
Anyway, that sort of bs would be enough for me to bugger off to greener pa$ture$. No need to wait for the constructive dismissal you just know is coming your way. Do your part in bringing down idiocy and brush up the old CV. And yeah, even google can be brought down that way. They have already lost their ability to innovate.
Funny how you can't remember any of those one liners.
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Not only that, but keep in mind what can count as private aspects of a person's identity.
What happens if you ask some guy you know well how his boyfriend's doing, and it turns out he isn't officially out of the closet? Or ask someone you know is in another country if they can do a lookup on a website for you to see if it works from that country?
'Private aspects' can be oh, so many things. Many years ago I was a regular in a chatroom with a bunch of other guys. One of these was absolutely sure no one he hadn't deliberately confided in could find out who he was.
That is, until I pointed out to him that he'd mentioned he worked at a university, he'd mentioned stopping at a specific point on his bike ride to work, he'd mentioned the number of a specific kind of shop at the intersection his apartment sat above, and he once dropped a comment to someone about needing to travel about forty kilometers to cross the border to use a specific currency they were talking about.
He had no idea before then how much private information he was leaking all on his own.
These rules? They're forbidding saying "Hey John, you're in Austria now, right?"
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Stalin would have lined scumbags like you up against the nearest wall.
Keep that in mind as you pray for the establishment of neo-stalinism in America.
To be fair, they're praying for the establishment of neo-Leninism in America, and just haven't read history.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Sure, if you knew him before he changed his name... it would be preposterous from him to think people that have known him for years to start using a new name. They might but it isn't likely nor should it be expected.
1) Summary indicates there are people who are annoyed. No actual links to annoyance.
2) Summary indicates it's quoting a blog post. No blog post linked, just the rules page.
3) The rules page has been around since 2015: https://archive.fo/https://www... - not that "new code of conduct" means that the writer intended to convey it was brand new, but certainly it will be interpreted that way by a lot of folks.
4) FreeBSD had some sort of discussion around it when it came to be in 2015: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.... and it looks like there was some actual internal stuff for project participants that occurred but again, nothing really happened
5) This type of code of conduct isn't really crazy in the OSS world by a simple search. For example, https://www.contributor-covena... shows a plethora of OSS projects that participate and is based on similar principles. Big names OSS participants include Eclipse, Spring, Atom,
6) Microsoft has code of conduct that touches on similar issues: https://opensource.microsoft.c...
7) Github has a guide actively encouraging codes of conduct within communities: https://opensource.guide/code-... and pointing to other OSS projects that have them: https://www.djangoproject.com/...
If you look at FreeBSD's code of conduct in context it really seems like they're late to the party, which may just be a formality (the community norms might already be enforcing these types of rules anyway) or a dramatic change, but there's no way to actually get that from the summary at all.
This whole topic is just... it's a fucking mess.
I'd hug you all via text, but it'd be a hate crime.
This is the continuation of this effort. They've destroyed the atheist movement, largely destroyed many 'level-headed' green, anti-capitalist and other liberal movements, all feminist and most if not all sex-positive communities, working hard on the movie and comic book communities and now we see inroads in tech, FreeBSD communities will soon be a wasteland of self-righteous bullshit.
We're creating a generation of fascists with these kind of actions. Mark my words, when you can't see that hating white men is the same as hating male Jews, or female blacks, you are creating a power vacuum for people like Hitler on either side of the spectrum.
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FreeBSD deleted the fortune program, I then knew that the system was really in decline at that point and has become self obsessed and moribund. Its like any other institution that becomes infected with the disease known as Liberalism, rather than being bold and innovative, creating new things, all it does is loath, become overly self critical loading itself down with endless rules and regulations, attacking and penalizing the more productive elements of society, while producing nothing of real value. It is an example of O Sullivans law.
The only ones who won't want to stick around are the ones nobody wanted around in the first place.
If /. adopted the BSD code of conduct, your comment would be in violation at a minimum of "Unwelcome comments regarding a person's lifestyle choices and practices".
Only if you are male.
This is probably not going to work out like some folks think.
Total avoidance is a fine and effective way to comply 100 percent with the dictated behavior. No other communication except for a minimum to do the job.
I worked years ago in such a system. Those people who were the target did a simple risk/reward analysis, and did just that. It's inevitable. You find yourself second and third guessing every statement or posting for possible offensive statement , and you end up deciding it isn't worth it. It will happen again.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Spoken like a true authoritarian communist.
What's it like to defend witch hunting? Why would you do that?
...Ummm... Hate to break this to you, but, Nazis were socialists....
This is a very common myth, and now is as good a time as any to debunk it. They called themselves "national socialists" to attract people (and distinguish themselves from "international socialists"), but all of the actual socialists were purged in the night of the long knives.
Nazis were neither right-wing nor left-wing in either the French Revolution sense or in the modern sense.
Because it is an OS, not a dating site dumbfuck.
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I'm curious why you say that. The Stalinist aspects of fake-progressive SJW ideology and behavior are obvious: imposition of Kafkaesque bureaucratic tyranny; establishment of a nomenklaturist para-elite; fake statistics used to justify disastrous policies; databasing and doxxing their enemies; frequent witch hunt style purges; apologetics for and expansion of the police state; widespread use of shibboleths and purity tests; etc, etc, etc.
However I see nothing particularly Leninist about the SJW faction. They're openly and proudly anti-working-class. They usually favor "social market" capitalism where the inherited rich retain control of society while the plebs are pacified with more extensive bread & circuses. Their idea of "revolution" is using the coercive power of the state-corporate hegemon to force people to use 50 different gender pronouns. Workers seizing control of the state and expropriating the property of capitalists? Not so much.