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Microplastics Found In 93 Percent of Bottled Water Tested In Global Study (www.cbc.ca)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from CBC.ca: The bottled water industry is estimated to be worth nearly $200 billion a year, surpassing sugary sodas as the most popular beverage in many countries. But its perceived image of cleanliness and purity is being challenged by a global investigation that found the water tested is often contaminated with tiny particles of plastic. The research was conducted on behalf of Orb Media, a U.S-based non-profit journalism organization with which CBC News has partnered. Professor Sherri Mason, a microplastics researcher who carried out the laboratory work at the State University of New York, and his team tested 259 bottles of water purchased in nine countries (none were bought in Canada). Though many brands are sold internationally, the water source, manufacturing and bottling process for the same brand can differ by country. The 11 brands tested include the world's dominant players -- Nestle Pure Life, Aquafina, Dasani, Evian, San Pellegrino and Gerolsteiner -- as well as major national brands across Asia, Africa, Europe and the Americas. Researchers found 93 per cent of all bottles tested contained some sort of microplastic, including polypropylene, polystyrene, nylon and polyethylene terephthalate (PET).

Orb found on average there were 10.4 particles of plastic per liter that were 100 microns (0.10 mm) or bigger. This is double the level of microplastics in the tap water tested from more than a dozen countries across five continents, examined in a 2017 study by Orb that looked at similar-sized plastics. Other, smaller particles were also discovered -- 314 of them per liter, on average -- which some of the experts consulted about the Orb study believe are plastics but cannot definitively identify. The amount of particles varied from bottle to bottle: while some contained one, others contained thousands.

177 comments

  1. No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    when we introduce a cheap alternative to natural products, there's always a hidden cost the greedy selfish and irresponsible manufactures don't ever want to acknowledge

    1. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Plastics are structurally modified oils (not chemically modified). They are no more or less biologically valuable than the base oils. Petroleum based plastics are a bit of a nuisance because the bacteria that eat oils of that chemistry are primarily found in ocean depths near natural oil leeks, and the plastics formed are fairly bouyant.

      I doubt anyone reading this has not eaten dairy plastics at some time or another. They aren't as complicated of flavors as bacterially or mold modified dairy materials, but can be a pleasant addition to some forms of sandwich.

      As for this article, I am shocked, SHOCKED, that putting water in plastic might result in plastic getting in water! Despite the history that I can't bring myself to drink thin (low dissolved content) water out of a plastic cup because of the horrible plasticy flavor that no one else cares about...

    2. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leeks are terrestrial, you insensitive clod.

    3. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Interesting

      when we introduce a cheap alternative to natural products, there's always a hidden cost the greedy selfish and irresponsible manufactures don't ever want to acknowledge

      Doesn't have to be artificial. Could be natural too...

      Many years ago, when woody plants were first developing there was nothing in nature that could break down wood. There was a build up of wood all over the planet before organisms first learnt to devour them. I can't help but wonder if microfragments of wood and fragments of wood didn't "pollute" and "accumulate" in the world like plastic does today. Obviously, wood was created by biological processes, not man-driven processes, but it was essentially the same thing- an increasing volume of the planet's surface area being "polluted" by a product that can't and won't break down for potentially thousands of years and just accumulating.

      Eventually organisms will evolve to devour plastic and break down those yummy hydrocarbon bonds. Until then, we've got a mess on our hands, like the world did when wood was an undigestable product.

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    4. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, that's right, maybe I was thinking of scallions...

    5. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Plastics are structurally modified oils (not chemically modified).

      Wrong. Completely, utterly ignorantly wrong.

    6. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So this will be the next big crises for the vapid activists who can't get by for a day without condemning someone for something, eh?

      Maxine Waters will be all over this and add that to her myriad of reasons to impeach Trump.

      Holy Fuck People. Take a chill pill.

      But watch out! It has mico something or other in it for sure!

    7. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Millions of years from now, sure.

      That was what the Andromeda Strain was a strain of -- long organic molecules including plastics.

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    8. Re: No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love when people write off valid concerns for easy political points online. I often wonder how empty and meaningless their lives must be to consider it a useful activity.

    9. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fire?

    10. Re: No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why does my plastic taste like water?

    11. Re: No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not as meaningless and empty as the life people that are finding reasons to kill themselves out of despair every day. Like those who are now worrying because, OMG! plastic particles!

      You realize that in all likelihood you are also drinking someone's shit each and every day, right?

    12. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by erapert · · Score: 1

      So your comeback is "nuh-uh!"? Good one.

    13. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plastic-eating bacteria already exist. Imagine a world where they escape the lab, get into the environment, and start consuming hydrogen bonds in plastic (waste or not), petroleum, bees wax, etc. Good times.

    14. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a ridiculously retarded twat.

    15. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eventually organisms will evolve to devour plastic and break down those yummy hydrocarbon bonds.

      This is already happening for PET: http://science.sciencemag.org/content/351/6278/1196

      This looks like it needs more research, but it could be promising: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/apr/24/plastic-munching-worms-could-help-wage-war-on-waste-galleria-mellonella

    16. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Archtech · · Score: 1

      Eventually organisms will evolve to devour plastic and break down those yummy hydrocarbon bonds.

      Maybe even in as little as a few hundred million years. In evolutionary terms, "eventually" tends to be a very, very long time.

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    17. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We were eating wood in our water millions of years ago? I can't remember.

    18. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Eventually organisms will evolve to devour plastic and break down those yummy hydrocarbon bonds"

      they already exist. look it up.

    19. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Leeks are terrestrial, you insensitive clod.

      Not necessarily.

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    20. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... are primarily found in ocean depths near natural oil leeks...

      I guess Underwater leeks are oilier than normal leeks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leek) Does that make them tastier.

    21. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      I think it's an AC spoofing people. Its not nice to think that an anatomically modern human (well, enough fingers to operate a keyboard. Or use one of those ball-on-a-forehead things for the quadraplegic.) can be so badly misinformed about basic polymer chemistry. I mean, they cover this stuff in compulsory schooling these days.

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    22. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Many years ago, when woody plants were first developing there was nothing in nature that could break down wood.

      Hmm, problem is that the relatively small number of phyla of microorganisms that can digest cellulose and lignin are probably considerably older than the land plants which we're most familiar with. When land plants developed - well that's pretty clear from the fossil record - about 410 Myr ago ; but I don't know how much marine plants use cellulose and lignin.

      There was a spike in atmospheric oxygen, as well as the accumulation of considerable amounts of fossilised plant material, in the Carboniferous period, shortly after the first appearance of land plants (360 - 300 Myr ago). Which is certainly not incompatible with your hypothesis. But I doubt it's as simple as you suggest. For example, during that period, the insects and terrestrial vertebrates underwent significant evolutionary radiations too, which could be viewed in part as the slow development of methods (insect mandibles, vertebrate jaws) for finely grinding plant structural material and mixing it with those pre-existing microbes in a bioreactor or digestive system.

      Eventually organisms will evolve to devour plastic and break down those yummy hydrocarbon bonds.

      Eventually being around 1970 - which is when a Japanese nylon factory started having problems with sludgy growths blocking pumps in it's wash-water systems. In the mid-1970s these were determined to be strains of bacteria that were living by digesting the 6-carbon chains which were the monomers for making the nylon. The case has been much discussed since, due to it's many interesting aspects. And it's not the last such example.

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    23. Re:No surprise, plastics aren't natural by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      "eventually" tends to be a very, very long time.

      See my reply to the GP. 1970 or so.

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  2. And another interesting stat... by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    The top 10 rivers that dump plastic waste into the oceans are in Africa and Asia. 6 of them are in China.

    And that, dear friends, is yet another data point about "free trade." That tasty arbitrage that lets you get your iPhone 75 for cheaper than if it were produced domestically is brought to you buy a country that gives absolutely zero fucks about its environment or whether or not you're eating microplastics in your food.

    Enjoy.

    1. Re:And another interesting stat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pot: Hey Kettle, you're black.

    2. Re:And another interesting stat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do not know the meaning of the word "arbitrage".

      Enjoy.

    3. Re:And another interesting stat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What are the biggest sources of plastic waste?

    4. Re:And another interesting stat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      people like you that have so much time on their hands they feel like they need to fill it by giving advice to everyone else means we need to get that B-Ark built right fucking now.

      Are you berating him for giving his opinion on this forum? Are you really that fucking obtuse?

    5. Re:And another interesting stat... by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      That tasty arbitrage that lets you get your iPhone 75 for cheaper than if it were produced domestically is brought to you buy a country that gives absolutely zero fucks about its environment

      Hey...better they destroy their environment, than us doing it to our own, eh?

      Besides, with the extreme population numbers they have over there, they can easily afford to thin the herd a bit.

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    6. Re:And another interesting stat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China will build new river in new forest in new desert. China will grow stronger!

    7. Re:And another interesting stat... by fredrated · · Score: 1

      In other words, a country just like America!

    8. Re:And another interesting stat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because we ship our garbage there...

    9. Re:And another interesting stat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back to sleep, you are extremely boring.

    10. Re:And another interesting stat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China has refused to take anymore non-recyclable plastics precisely because it's fed up of the West dumping them on their territory because they can't recycle them themselves.

      It's not about poorer countries not giving a shit, it's about them being desperate for cash and not having the luxury of finding somewhere even poorer than them to dump it like we do in the West.

      Don't try and absolve yourself of blame when you're the cause - all that plastic pouring out of their rivers is our plastic. All we've done is move the problem, but it's still very much our problem.

    11. Re:And another interesting stat... by Sumus+Semper+Una · · Score: 1

      Your implication is that a change in trade policy would help resolve this problem. I vehemently disagree. At best, it would lessen the magnitude. African/Asian nations aren't going to just stop rampant pollution in their manufacturing processes because you put tariffs on their goods. They're just going to TRADE less of them to YOU.

      Ultimately you have no leverage over other nations attitudes on pollution other than to somehow try to get their population to a point where they care more about the long term effects of pollution on their health and well being than the short term capital gains. Given that this is still a problem in first world countries, I don't think trade policy is going to do much to affect the issue.

    12. Re:And another interesting stat... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Not just "top 10" but really nearly "only 10".

      From that site: âoeReducing plastic loads by 50% in the 10 top-ranked rivers would reduce the total river-based load to the sea by 45%.â

      Unless I miss my math, that would mean that these 10 supply NINETY PERCENT of the plastic load in the world's oceans.

      Can we reasonably agree that those countries are shitholes and we need to do something about it?

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    13. Re:And another interesting stat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are the odds that you typed your comment on a device largely made of components from China?

    14. Re:And another interesting stat... by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but the plastic they dump is mostly from trash that was shipped to them to recycle.

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    15. Re:And another interesting stat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Illiberal anti-trade screeds sprinkled with pseudo-science bullshit on slashdot get +5

      I don't know if your a tankie or a facist. Either way you're a fucking loser and the reason Slashdot is dead.

    16. Re: And another interesting stat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China numba 1. Vietnam numba 2

    17. Re:And another interesting stat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sir are a horrible human being. You're also pretty naive to think long term environmental effects of dumping hazardous waste into the ocean are isolated to their country of origin.

  3. Real headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Harmless inert plastic found in water. No concern what so ever.

    1. Re:Real headline by butchersong · · Score: 1

      Or: Plastic (even bpa free plastic) that when digested has been show to mimic estrogen found in most of the water people drink.

    2. Re:Real headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a girl. How do you feel about ABBA?

  4. Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, lemme get this straight. The water that comes shipped in plastic, also contains plastic?! Mind. Blown.

    Next you're going to tell me that piping the universal solvent through lead pipes causes it to pick up lead.

    1. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And people call us conspiracy theorists for saying that bottled water is bad for you.

    2. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is unfortunate that their study seemingly did not do any more detailed tests, but most bottles are PET, and most caps PE. So finding particles of those in the contents of the bottle should not be surprising.

      It is also possible that a lot of the particles get knocked out of the vessel during shipping, so tests performed at a factory would not pick up the real quantity the consumer ends up ingesting.

      But I have heard via word of mouth that you should not re-use PET bottles for long term storage of edibles, because allegedly the plastic will degrade over time and leech into the contents. So this seem to somewhat agree with that idea.

    3. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Honest question: is the 100 micron size for microplastics significant for some reason? The environment is filled with things that are bad for us but our bodies provide some degree of mitigation for many things. At what sizes and concentrations do we observe negative effects to the body?

    4. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, lemme get this straight. The water that comes shipped in plastic, also contains plastic?! Mind. Blown. Next you're going to tell me that piping the universal solvent through lead pipes causes it to pick up lead.

      The plastic almost certainly isn't coming from the water dissolving the plastic. Then there is always the issue of the tap water being tested being superior in this regard. You would think it would have a lot in it from the PVC pipes using that metric.

      What I find amusing about this is that people have been sold the idea that bottled water is somehow healthier. for us. Excluding places like Flint, Michigan, it isn't.

      We've had our tap water tested against bottled, and it's better in all respects. A tad hard, good Magnesium content, and the taste is right up there with pure spring water from the local mountains.

      Just remember folks, that Bottled water you just paid 3 bucks for 12 ounces was bottled by a company that can make more money the cheaper they produce the stuff. Since most people are convinced it is better for us, they'll keep buying it no matter what.

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    5. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Absolutely. Nature always deals in round even numbers. 99 microns would just be unnatural.

    6. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Honest question: is the 100 micron size for microplastics significant for some reason?

      I think that the reason they used 100 micron is that it shows that the water contamination is coming after the water is filtered. 100 microns is pretty big.

      Then again - and it is just my cynicism showing - I suspect that a lot of bottled water isn't filtered at all.

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    7. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "Microplastics are the result of the breakdown of all the plastic waste that makes its way into landfills and oceans. "

      In addition, he article shows they are taking samples from water in glass bottles as well as plastic.

      Obvious is not a synonym for true.

    8. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by MDMurphy · · Score: 1

      I read, then searched, both articles and didn't find mention of testing glass bottles. The headline had me wondering if the water sources were contaminated with plastic, or the filtering process failed to remove it. I was looking for mention of them testing water from a deep spring that was shipped in glass bottles.

      Reading that they tested plastic bottles, and the acknowledgement that the act of opening the bottle could scrape measurable amounts of plastic into the water made the whole study useless to me. But I guess "water shipped in a container may contain microscopic particles of that container" wasn't' as sexy a headline.

    9. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      How much of the water is actually filtered? I know where I live, most all tap water isn't filtered (well, large filters at the intake to stop fish and such), and the bottled water from springs, aquifers and glaciers, I'd assume aren't filtered.

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    10. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by PPH · · Score: 1

      water shipped in a container may contain microscopic particles of that container

      My water comes from a stream fed by a watershed on the side of a mountain. A mountain made of minerals. And my water is full of minerals*.

      Oh the horror!

      *Probably some traces of bear poop in there too.

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    11. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of them actually use reverse osmosis. All are filtered afaik. For example, Aquafina says it goes through reveres osmosis.

      This would lead me to believe that the contamination is happening after the filtering.

    12. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's solvent in our pipes!!!?

    13. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      We've had our tap water tested against bottled, and it's better in all respects. A tad hard, good Magnesium content, and the taste is right up there with pure spring water from the local mountains.

      But did you have it tested against Fiji water?

      Just remember folks, that Bottled water you just paid 3 bucks for 12 ounces was bottled by a company that can make more money the cheaper they produce the stuff. Since most people are convinced it is better for us, they'll keep buying it no matter what.

      Fiji water is magical. I'm convinced of it.

    14. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by hey! · · Score: 2

      From TFA:

      Microplastics are the result of the breakdown of all the plastic waste that makes its way into landfills and oceans.

      In other words this is not the kind of contamination you'd expect coming from the bottle the water ships in. Given how slowly these compounds break down, with a sensitive enough assay you're bound to find this stuff everywhere in an industrialized country. Microplastics are found in most municipal tap water, which is the source for most bottled water. If your test is sufficiently sensitive, you'll find them in spring water due to worker, airborne and general environmental contamination.

      The question is whether the currently detectable levels of microplastics are biologically significant. Nobody is ready to answer that question yet. This kind of question frequently comes up when there's an advance in testing. When you can test for heretofore undetectable levels of something, you find it in places you didn't know it was, and can't be sure what that means.

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    15. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Actually, water picks up very little lead from lead pipes unless the water is particularly soft/acidic. Scale prevents lead from getting into water.
      In fact, home diagnostics don't even consider lead pipes as a problem. Lead paints are a real issue though, they can flake off and get ingested.

    16. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Some of them actually use reverse osmosis. All are filtered afaik. For example, Aquafina says it goes through reveres osmosis.

      This would lead me to believe that the contamination is happening after the filtering.

      That is my suspicion as well. 100 Microns is about .004 inch, which is visible to the naked eye. It would be a poor filter that can't handle 100 microns.

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    17. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      How much of the water is actually filtered? I know where I live, most all tap water isn't filtered (well, large filters at the intake to stop fish and such), and the bottled water from springs, aquifers and glaciers, I'd assume aren't filtered.

      I think most muni water systems are filtered. The amount of filtratration probably depends on teh source. The town where I grew up has a spring that pushes out a lot of already pretty pure water. But surface waters usually require some hefty filtration.

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    18. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Distilled water comes from boiling water and condensing the steam. Dasani and Deer Park are examples of distilled, bottled water. I'm sure there are others.

    19. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      We've had our tap water tested against bottled, and it's better in all respects. A tad hard, good Magnesium content, and the taste is right up there with pure spring water from the local mountains.

      But did you have it tested against Fiji water?

      Just remember folks, that Bottled water you just paid 3 bucks for 12 ounces was bottled by a company that can make more money the cheaper they produce the stuff. Since most people are convinced it is better for us, they'll keep buying it no matter what.

      Fiji water is magical. I'm convinced of it.

      Tastes okay - a little alkaline.

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    20. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      We've had our tap water tested against bottled, and it's better in all respects. A tad hard, good Magnesium content, and the taste is right up there with pure spring water from the local mountains.

      Consider yourself lucky. My tap water tastes like bleach and lime (the mineral, not the fruit). I've spent a lot of time and money trying to filter this water into something palatable with varied success including a number of different carbon filters and a reverse osmosis system. All produced water with an unsavory aftertaste.

      Currently, I "build" water by distilling it then adding back minerals to adjust the ph. It doesn't taste as good as spring water, but it's the best I've come up with so far. Before this experiment I would have thought producing clean, good-tasting water given an abundant supply of tap water would be easy, but it hasn't been in my case.

    21. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by rukiddingme · · Score: 1

      How much of the water is actually filtered? I know where I live, most all tap water isn't filtered (well, large filters at the intake to stop fish and such), and the bottled water from springs, aquifers and glaciers, I'd assume aren't filtered.

      I think most muni water systems are filtered. The amount of filtratration probably depends on teh source. The town where I grew up has a spring that pushes out a lot of already pretty pure water. But surface waters usually require some hefty filtration.

      I built a swimming pool a few years ago, filled it with municipal water (ie - water tested/treated to applicable standards). Before turning on the pool filter and chemical treatment, it was DISGUSTING to the naked eye - green/muddy, tons of particulate. This was in Maine, where good quality water (ie, you would drink it upon inspection if you needed it) is easily found. A glassful dipped out of the pool looked ok, nothing you wouldn't drink. Only the depth of water I was looking at allowed me (unaided) to see what the water was really like. Lessons learned: A) You drink a lot of crap you (normally) cannot see. B) Municipal water (tested, good-to-go) is absolutely not sparkling 'pure', hopefully just devoid of really bad pathogens.

    22. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Gary Roberts would agree.

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    23. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      How much of the water is actually filtered? I know where I live, most all tap water isn't filtered (well, large filters at the intake to stop fish and such), and the bottled water from springs, aquifers and glaciers, I'd assume aren't filtered.

      I think most muni water systems are filtered. The amount of filtratration probably depends on teh source. The town where I grew up has a spring that pushes out a lot of already pretty pure water. But surface waters usually require some hefty filtration.

      I built a swimming pool a few years ago, filled it with municipal water (ie - water tested/treated to applicable standards). Before turning on the pool filter and chemical treatment, it was DISGUSTING to the naked eye - green/muddy, tons of particulate. This was in Maine, where good quality water (ie, you would drink it upon inspection if you needed it) is easily found. A glassful dipped out of the pool looked ok, nothing you wouldn't drink. Only the depth of water I was looking at allowed me (unaided) to see what the water was really like. Lessons learned: A) You drink a lot of crap you (normally) cannot see. B) Municipal water (tested, good-to-go) is absolutely not sparkling 'pure', hopefully just devoid of really bad pathogens.

      Some places don't do a good job, it would appear. I do know that filling my spa is really nice and clear from our supply. You should probably get your tap water tested.

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    24. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because the filetrs that filter the water have pores of around 10 microns, the fact that 100 micron particles are in the water is showing something isn't right. where is it coming from? are the bottles degrading? are they not filtering it properly?

    25. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by pots · · Score: 1

      Several of the brands of bottled water that they tested are just tap water that is filtered and then bottled. So it might have some from the PVC pipes, but then some is being added by either the filtering or the bottling.

    26. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Flint's problem was self-inflicted, they quit buying water from Detroit and started sourcing from the Flint river, which is basically a cesspool and they didn't add the federally required phosphates to it. Now their water is sourced from lake Huron and doesn't require added phosphates, like Detroit's water is. Phosphates put a layer inside the pipes that prevents toxic lead and copper from leaching into the water.

      Almost every city still has lead pipes in the ground and a lot of homes have lead based soldered copper pipes.

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    27. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      This article has an explicitly international setting: why try to restrict its scope to the USA? FWIW the tap water where I live has so much chlorine added that I can smell it when I come out of the shower, and the supermarket's own brand bottled water costs about 9 Eurocents a litre (about 11 US cents for a bit more than 33 US ounces).

    28. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are relying on water to get your magnesium, then you are seriously doing it wrong.

    29. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      .1mm is visible to the naked eye?
      You have better eyes than me, dude.

    30. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Flint's problem was self-inflicted, they quit buying water from Detroit and started sourcing from the Flint river, which is basically a cesspool and they didn't add the federally required phosphates to it.

      Not certain of your point. But you are completely incorrect here. The "They" is not Flint The city of Flint Michigan was on the Detriot water system. The State appointed Emergency managers - not the local managers - made the determination to switch from the Detroit water system to the Flint River water system based on only financial considerations. According to the task force findings : "F-18. Emergency managers, not locally elected officials, made the decision to switch to the Flint River as Flint’s primary water supply source.

      The problem as much as it can be boiled down is that under the emergency management, costs were considered, but not the quality of the water. Then when even the Governor's office suggested that the problem could be solved by switching back to Detroit water, the suggesstion was refused, again because of costs. This is probably bacause or incredible incompetence by appointing people who knew money, but absolutely nothing about health and welfare and environmental resources. Water supplies and quality is based upon engineering and chemistry, not bean counting.

      Anyhow, here are the findings of the task force investigating the Flint Water problem - I'll warn you that it disagrees with your story.

      http://www.michigan.gov/docume...

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    31. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by eskayp · · Score: 1

      Good point about the bean counters.
      In too many scenarios it's the money people who make the final decisions but not knowledgeable experts in the relevant field.
      And you just have to love that beady-eyed beancounter look they have while determining others' fates.
      Or in this particular case, Flint's fate.

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    32. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Good point about the bean counters. In too many scenarios it's the money people who make the final decisions but not knowledgeable experts in the relevant field. And you just have to love that beady-eyed beancounter look they have while determining others' fates. Or in this particular case, Flint's fate.

      Accountants have destroyed businesses as well with their precision and numbers, while forgetting that there are people in the mix. But yeah, the engineer doesn't have a chance against an emergency manager.

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    33. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by eskayp · · Score: 1

      You have my sympathy.
      Drinking water quality from various utilities can vary immensely.
      I have tasted sparkling 'springwater' pure product from one facility and seen brown ice cubes from water by another facility.
      Much depends on whether the utility is focused on product quality and customer service or instead focused on local politics and money. [ref the 'beancounter' posts a couple of items above this one]
      Your example may be overchlorinated (bleach taste) to disinfect and pass bacteriological testing with water that is inadequately treated.
      The lime taste often results from efforts to correct the pH of the water after flocculation and filtering.
      This is more common if poor quality raw water feeds the treatment plant, requiring heavier chemical dosing.

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    34. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by denbesten · · Score: 1

      The part I never understood about the Flint water crisis is why the State did not supply countertop filters and a few replacement cartridges to each household. It would have offered immediate protection until the protective coating had a chance to rebuild, at maybe 20% of the price of the first emergency aid payment.

    35. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The part I never understood about the Flint water crisis is why the State did not supply countertop filters and a few replacement cartridges to each household. It would have offered immediate protection until the protective coating had a chance to rebuild, at maybe 20% of the price of the first emergency aid payment.

      It was probably the timing is my guess. I recall the very first reaction was denial that there was a problem, Where it gets really whacked is when the governor's representatives suggested, switching back t Detroit's water system, but the emergency manager refused. It isn't that the Governor and some others are without blame, but it is amazing that the emergency manager is not incarcerated. Relating to my beancounters not existing in reality, there are some calculations that can be done with the long term costs of this - lead poisoning is a horrorshow of reduced impulse control and IQ. So for whatever savings there may have been by doing the switch then doing nothing at first, there will be an ongoing cost of incarceration and medical treatment. for years. The for profit prison people should be orgasmic.

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    36. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      With the City of Flint under emergency management, the Flint Water Department rushed unprepared into full-time operation of the Flint Water Treatment Plant, drawing water from a highly corrosive source without the use of corrosion control Flint Water Advisory Task Force FINAL REPORT pg.15

      That's pretty much what I said, the Emergency Manager didn't put Flint into receivership, the Emergency Manager didn't neglect to replace lead municipal water pipes for decades, the Emergency Manager didn't fail to train water treatment staff properly.

      Detroit managed to keep high quality water flowing while going through bankruptcy, for decades the Detroit Water treatment system was the only city department without widespread problems with corruption and incompetence.

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    37. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      That's pretty much what I said,

      That isn't at all what you said. Allow me to refresh your memory:

      "Flint's problem was self-inflicted, they quit buying water from Detroit and started sourcing from the Flint river, which is basically a cesspool and they didn't add the federally required phosphates to it."

      So while there is a strong implication that you are positing that the citizens of Flint Michigan deserved to be poisoned by lead, I'll just write that off to your communications ability to be on par with your memory.

      the Emergency Manager didn't put Flint into receivership, the Emergency Manager didn't neglect to replace lead municipal water pipes for decades, the Emergency Manager didn't fail to train water treatment staff properly.

      Then you need to get in touch with the task force, and tell them that you - the random guy on Slashdot - have refuted all of their claims, and demand a formal investigation into the criminal activities of the Flint Water Advisory Task Force

      But the emergency manager was responsible for putting water into those pipes that would remove the protective layer. I would hope that unlike you, he did not wish to poison the people of Flint, but was acting out of ignorance.

      Issues with engineering and chemistry are involved, and just like the laws of physics, are not concerend with politics. You cannot pass a law that says poorly built bridges cannot fail. Gravity doesn't care. You can't pass a law saying that the speed of light is something other than what it is.

      The point is that lead pipes that have the right quality of water running through them quickly build up a protective layer that keeps lead out of the water. Send water with the incorrect quality of water through those pipes, typically "soft" water, or acidic water, and simple chemistry tells us that chemicals in the water will interact with the lead walls, causing lead compounds to enter the water.

      The decision was the emergency manager's decision, and it was made with the idea that teh emergency manager's decision trumps the laws of physics and chemistry. Despite your idea that the People of Flint deserved what they got, and that poisoning is a proper punishment for financial ineptitude, sorry, a whole lot of people including those with all of the evidence disagree with you.

      The only way that water form the Flint River should ever have been put into their water system would be if the entire water distribution infrastructure was changed. But that wouldn't have happened, because it would have cost too much money.

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    38. Re:Water shipped in plastic contains...plastics? by budgenator · · Score: 1

      The only way that water form the Flint River should ever have been put into their water system would be if the entire water distribution infrastructure was changed. But that wouldn't have happened, because it would have cost too much money.

      Here's one thing you're not getting Flint's entire water distribution infrastructure is not significantly different from any city built before 1986; if your city was built before 1986, there is lead in your water.

      In 1986 Congress Amended the Safe Drinking Water Act, prohibiting the use of pipes, solder or flux that were not “lead free” in public water systems or plumbing in facilities providing water for human consumption. Use of Lead Free Pipes, Fittings, Fixtures, Solder and Flux for Drinking Water

      If your home was built before 1986, there is lead in your water. The amount of lead depends on the chloride to phosphate ration in the water and the temperature of the water. you will get more lead in the summer when the water is warmer and less in the winter when the water is colder. Never, ever drink or cook with hot tap water.

      The only reason Flint had a lead problem in the first place is because the incompetents at their water treatment plant. Flint's water treatment plant when conntected to the DWSD was superfluous.

      The water treatment plants used the technologies of "pre-chlorination, rapid mix, flocculation, sedimentation, filtration and chlorine disinfection".[5] At this time, the five water treatment plants were Waterworks Park, Springwells, Northeast, Southwest and Lake Huron. Detroit Water and Sewerage Department

      the Lake Huron plant being the operative plant. ( located between Brice and Metcalf roads and Lakeshore and state roads). It didn't matter if the staff at the Flint Water Treatment plant was corrupt with cronyism and nepotism because Detroit had their asses covered (Detroit even added unnecessary corrosion inhibiting phosphates prophylactically). When Flint changed over to the Flint River, all of a sudden the incompetents had to do their jobs for real, and we saw the results of that.

      In 1963, Flint moved to build a pipeline from Lake Huron to Flint, but a profiteering scandal derailed that pipeline. This led the city to sign a contract to purchase water for 30 years from the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department on June 6, 1964.[fj 4]

      For years, the City of Flint purchased Lake Huron water from the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department (Detroit Water)[fj 3] under a now expired 30-year contract.[fj 5] Flint resold the water to the Genesee County Drain Commissioner who then sold it to municipalities in the county. Genesee County officials had disliked the high cost and usually high percentage increases of the Detroit Water, as the Department's formula penalized the area for its elevation and distance from Detroit.[fj 3] Detroit Water avoided direct rate discussions with Genesee County, working only with the city of Flint.Karegnondi Water Authority

      See it was all about money, cronyism (profiteering scandal ) and bureaucratic territorialism.

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  5. Properly cleaning the bottles post production by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's a costly process, so you end up drinking this production "dirt". Cheers!

  6. Water? by stealth_finger · · Score: 2

    Never touch the stuff, fish fuck in it!

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    1. Re: Water? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anton?

    2. Re:Water? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fish dont fuck and they don't get pregnant
      we've been over this, kraut

    3. Re:Water? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A blue whale releases 10 gallons of semen when they get off. No wonder the ocean is salty.

    4. Re: Water? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      WC Fields

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    5. Re:Water? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A blue whale releases 10 gallons of semen when they get off. No wonder the ocean is salty.

      Arrgh! I've never swim again! :-)

    6. Re:Water? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Dylan Thomas, apocryphally.

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  7. Opportunity cost by Solandri · · Score: 1

    Don't compare against nonexistent perfectly safe solution. We use plastic bottles because they were much less dangerous than glass bottles. If you're worried about the dangers of plastic in the containers leaching into the water, you have to compare to the dangers of the next best alternative - glass bottles and the cuts they could give you when they broke.

    Nothing in the world is 100% safe. You try to find what offers the best combination of utility and safety, and live with the inherent risks with that solution satisfied that you've minimized the risk..

    1. Re:Opportunity cost by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We use plastic bottles because they were much less dangerous than glass bottles.

      Err...what danger???

      Seriously...I grew up when pretty much ALL store bought drinks were in glass.

      I remember buying cokes in regular sized and even 2L glass bottles, and as a kid...finding them and returning to the 7-11 to get the deposit back on them.

      I can assure you there were no mass outbreaks of cuts, dismemberments or death due to everything being in glass bottles.

      Sure, if you drop them, they can and did break, but at least back then, we had enough common sense to not step in the middle of them barefoot.

      Hell, even today...I pretty much only buy beer in bottles, just tastes better.

      I only buy canned beer when around water (boating, swimming pools, etc).

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    2. Re:Opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glass isn't used so much for the danger of cuts so much as the brittle nature for shipping. A plastic bottle can flex and bend while still reliably containing liquid, while a glass bottle breaks, at which point it's useless. In theory, cans would provide a happy medium, in that less material leaches from a metal container over time and are easier to transport (lots of microbreweries are moving to cans for that reason alone), but they tend to be non-resealable.

      Though at the same time, loads of people throw away plastic bottles after a single use, so maybe it wouldn't be too much of a tradeoff.

    3. Re:Opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plastic bottles are also a hell of a lot lighter, making them easier and cheaper to transport large quantities of.

    4. Re:Opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok grandpa!

    5. Re:Opportunity cost by dryeo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Those 2 litre glass bottles were banned pretty quick as they had a habit of blowing up. As for danger, a friend cut her foot pretty bad wading in a local lake, same with my dog, who needed 3 or 4 stitches on her foot. Of course the real reason glass went away was cost.

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    6. Re:Opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't qualify as mass, but living in a desert environment, I had a glass bottle blow up which sent a glass shard into my leg cutting a relatively large tube causing a big mess and hospital run.

    7. Re:Opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here. Because you (and your friend) seem like you didn't know.
      These are for your dog.

    8. Re:Opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err...what danger???

      Glass dissolves in water. Whatever shit went into the production of glass you get to drink in varying quantities depending on type of glass and how long liquids were left stewing in said glass.

  8. Plastic was found inside plastic bottles? by Vermonter · · Score: 2

    So you're telling me that someone tested a bunch of bottled water, almost all of which is inside plastic bottles, and they discovered plastic in them? And they were surprised by the findings?

    1. Re:Plastic was found inside plastic bottles? by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1

      The bottles themselves are made of PET, so it seems plausible to find that there. Why the rest of the plastics would be present are a mystery to me.

    2. Re:Plastic was found inside plastic bottles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The bottles themselves are made of PET, so it seems plausible to find that there. Why the rest of the plastics would be present are a mystery to me.

      The PET is being mutated by the water!!

    3. Re: Plastic was found inside plastic bottles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arrogance and ignorance. Nice. They tested glass bottled water too. Same micro plastics. Glad I could better inform you given you couldn't even skim the article.

  9. Well and spring water by tquasar · · Score: 1

    Two bottled waters I purchase are from a local well or mountain spring where there are no sources of animal waste or industrial pollution. My community has a recycling program that collects cans, bottles, and paper so these things don't go into oceans, rivers or a landfill..

    1. Re:Well and spring water by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Two bottled waters I purchase are from a local well or mountain spring where there are no sources of animal waste or industrial pollution. My community has a recycling program that collects cans, bottles, and paper so these things don't go into oceans, rivers or a landfill..

      Microplastics do. That's the point of this study. When you open the cap, lots of microplastics deposit into the water (most too small to be seen with the eye, a significant portion small enough to be absorbed into your blood stream)- some are already in the water from the bottle and from other sources. Unless you pisas and kakas directly into a plastic recycling plant... all that plastic you are consuming passes through you and out of you in your waste... And eventually makes it's way into rivers and oceans. All those tiny microplastics will pass through many organisms...

      The question is, do all these microplastics going around your body cause any harm? We don't know.

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    2. Re:Well and spring water by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      The question is, do all these microplastics going around your body cause any harm? We don't know.

      Keep in mind in the US all packaging must be made of materials approved by the FDA as safe for food contact.

      I assume the source of the microplastics in the studdy is the container. The FDA assumes some of any container material will be ingested. Therefore containers can't be made of a material that is known to be harmful if ingested in small amounts.

      I'm honestly more worried about lead in drinking water, which is known to be harmful, than microscopic particles of food contact rated plastic.

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    3. Re:Well and spring water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a huge emerging problem of microfibers entering water supplies, and the food chain, as a result of washing synthetic fleece.

      These fibers wick all kinds of toxins inside living organisms.

      Wastewater plants could be retooled to filter most of these out, but it would be expensive.

      Well and spring water is probably immune to this particular kind of plastic pollution as wastewater plants do not discharge into groundwater. But most bottled water is tap water, which comes from the regular drinking-water supply.

    4. Re:Well and spring water by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      From what I understand the big concern about plastic in the food chain isn't that it is toxic on its own. The danger is that toxins that we do worry about like heavy metals can stick to the bits of plastic. When those bits are consumed by animals they frequently aren't expelled through natural processes, which ends up concentrating those toxins. When that animal is in turn consumed by another bigger animal the cycle repeats. Eventually you end up with animals at the top of the food chain containing much higher levels of those toxins than they would otherwise have, which puts people at risk if we then consume too much of them.

      So far as the plastic in our water bottles go, I don't think it's likely to be directly harmful. That plastic hasn't been floating around where it's likely to collect toxins. The plastic could possibly get broken down into harmful chemicals by our bodies but I find that to be unlikely. The biggest direct danger might be the particles being absorbed and not removed at the same rate by our natural processes. In which case, the plastic might serve to help retain toxins in our bodies, although those toxins have to get there in the first place.

  10. Who? by coofercat · · Score: 2

    Nestle make water? Really? Is that like the 'McWater' of the bottled water industry?

    As for Dasani - aren't they actually CocaCola company? Didn't they try to sell tap water in bottles? Oh yes, they did: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/...

    I wonder if this means the 'premium' brands such as Evian, or Buxton Spring or whomever are actually okay?

    1. Re:Who? by Train0987 · · Score: 1

      Almost all bottled water comes from the same source as public tap water.

    2. Re:Who? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I wonder if this means the 'premium' brands such as Evian, or Buxton Spring or whomever are actually okay?

      Even expensive brands contained plastic. (although expensive brands probably use higher quality plastics...)

      Whether these microplastics that we consume cause any problems health-wise is unproven. So, it might not be harming us at all- might be perfectly safe... or it might be giving us all autism and peanut allergies or some other weird 21st Century disease that everyone gets these days. I guess we'll find out when we're much too old to worry about it anymore...

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    3. Re:Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nestle make water? Really? Is that like the 'McWater' of the bottled water industry?

      As for Dasani - aren't they actually CocaCola company? Didn't they try to sell tap water in bottles? Oh yes, they did: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/...

      I wonder if this means the 'premium' brands such as Evian, or Buxton Spring or whomever are actually okay?

      You mean you actually think the 'premium' brands are somehow different?

      Those are just 'premium' tap water instead.

    4. Re: Who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.alternet.org/environment/6-places-where-nestle-threatening-local-communities-its-bottled-water-plans

  11. Really not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People look at me like I'm nuts when I say that bottled water has a disgusting plastic taste to it. I didn't know if it was from the bottles or the water itself, but one way or another, I knew that something ended up in that water. This is probably a useful avenue of science to explore given how big the market is and how clearly, nobody realizes what's going on.

    1. Re: Really not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you telling me there are nuts in the bottled water too? Because people should only think you are plastic if there is plastic in the water

  12. Very surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm extremely surprised by the results that include waters purified by reverse osmosis. It's not a perfect purification process but large particles 100 microns or larger should make it past the membrane 0% of the time. Perhaps the contamination is coming from the manufacturing of the plastic bottles themselves.

    1. Re:Very surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was also. My RO filter is supposed to remove anything larger than 0.0001um. I wonder how much of the plastic is coming from the filter material itself.

  13. Context is everything by petes_PoV · · Score: 1
    So the takeaway is that all potable water contains microplastics. But some sources contain more than others - while the distributions of size and type are broad.

    But add to that all the other sources of microplastics: washing clothes, vacuuming carpets, all the plastic items that surround us, rubber tyres, paints and it is reasonable to ask: does one more source really make much difference? Is it worth getting upset about?

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  14. That's actually a Good Thing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thus the microplastics end up directly in humans, where they belong, instead of first poisoning fish and other unrelated species.

    Be environment -friendly! Don't feed bottled water to your pets -- drink it yourself!

  15. Canada? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

    Microplastics found in 93% of bottled water tested in global study

    Report from CBC.ca

    His team tested 259 bottles of water purchased in nine countries (none were bought in Canada).

    So it's a test done in Canada, reported by CBC, about bottled water from countries other than Canada. Well that doesn't tell me anything about bottled water sold in Canada now, does it?

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    1. Re:Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brought to you by CBC.ca - controlled by Denstu Aegis Network, a global PR firm based in Japan.

      No longer Canada's national broadcaster, just another propaganda organ of multinational corporate interests now.

    2. Re:Canada? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know, reading the article is so hard.

      If you had, you would have learned the testing was done in the US (State University New York) on behalf of an American non-profit (Orb Media).

      Shocking what you can learn by reading.

  16. The only surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only surprise here is that it's not 100%.

  17. Not just water by spaceman375 · · Score: 1

    If it's in the water, how much is in things like soda and fruit juices? I've always thought milk in plastic bottles tastes very plasticy. I only buy waxed paper cartons because of this. So the real question to me is how much have I already consumed?
          To those who think "We just don't know if it's harmful." You are just thinking chemically. By their very presence these microscopic pieces of plastic can mechanically get in the way. They can clog a vital spot, say the entrance to a lioposome or mitochondria, or just lower the absorption abilities of lung or other their tissues. Even at low levels, it doesn't belong and I don't want it in me.
          Rather than use it 'till someone shows it hurts you, how about don't use it until someone proves some form of benefit?

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    1. Re:Not just water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was wondering the same thing about milk and fruit juices. I'm guessing it would be harder to detect plastic in these fluids too.

    2. Re:Not just water by judoguy · · Score: 1

      If it's in the water, how much is in things like soda and fruit juices? I've always thought milk in plastic bottles tastes very plasticy. I only buy waxed paper cartons because of this. So the real question to me is how much have I already consumed?

      I doubt you have waxed paper cartons. That was the standard when I was a kid in the 50's. We'd get huge blocks of paraffin from the local dairy to melt and play with. Although, come to think of it, paraffin is "plastic".

      So, unless your milk come in beeswax covered paper, you're still getting plastic.

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  18. Question: by chiefcrash · · Score: 1

    Now, did anyone bother to find out if such microplastics in the water posed some sort of... problem?

    You know, health wise?

    Because the article just pointed out these microplastics are in our tap water too. Should we also be worried about that?

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    1. Re:Question: by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      actually, don't worry about that. Since everything we buy is packaged in that stuff let's first see the content of all the food and drink and medicine we consume. probably the same story since, you know, the stuff has been used globally for decades

  19. Non-opportunity cost by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    It's not opportunity cost. It's just actual cost. Glass costs more to make, and ship (due to heavier weight).

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    1. Re:Non-opportunity cost by swb · · Score: 1

      I'll bet the real savings was in shipping, and not just the obvious local delivery (bottler to retailer) aspect. I'll bet that the savings might have been enough to eliminate entire bottling plants that serviced areas once too distance to ship glass bottles to.

    2. Re:Non-opportunity cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many drinks in Germany are still in Glass containers. Soda, juices, water. Both, in refillable (return) and not (recycle) formats.
      Heavy, yes. But very common, because it's much less cost overall than plastic, because recycling and reuse of the bottles is much more efficient and cheaper than plastics.

  20. Do what orange juice companies did by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not relabel them to follow the example of the orange juice companies, but instead of with pulp bits'

    The new bottled water would be relabeled with plastic microbits

  21. tastes like plastic by Khashishi · · Score: 1

    Obviously, since the water tastes like plastic, there must be plastic in the water.

  22. Orb Media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds more impressive than it is. The company consists of eight women managing two (male) journalists. Must be a fun place to work.

    1. Re: Orb Media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh goid, you can tell us all about it in 3 years when youre legally elligible for employment.

  23. Mechanical means? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    plastic bottle are subject to various mechanical forces during the bottling process, contact with fill necks, friction btween the threads as the cap is screwed on...etc. Could this simply be residue falling into the bottles?

  24. Not buying it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    when woody plants were first developing there was nothing in nature that could break down wood

    Citation please. All living things evolve alongside each other, not independently of each other. That is how different species of plants and animals came to be specifically dependent on each other: simultaneous evolution, not independent evolution. What you are describing is a world where trees evolved independently of the organisms which break down wood.

    1. Re:Not buying it by Tyler+Durden · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's an excellent article on this very topic here.

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    2. Re:Not buying it by tungstencoil · · Score: 1

      There's an excellent article on this very topic here.

      FWIW, I found the linked article pretty interesting. Thank you. Worth checking out.

    3. Re:Not buying it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, too lazy for the easiest google search in the world, and pompously proud of your ignorance to boot. [Citation please] makes you look like a stupid jerk when you are this wrong.

    4. Re:Not buying it by Yggdrasil42 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Carboniferous period is the source of 90% of our coal though. Coal formation during that time was 600 times the 'normal' rate. Apparently because the wood got buried and compressed instead of broken down into carbon and oxygen. The bacteria that could break it down evolved later.

      Source: http://phenomena.nationalgeogr...

    5. Re:Not buying it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What you are describing is a world where trees evolved independently of the organisms which break down wood.

      The Fantastically Strange Origin of Most Coal on Earth.

    6. Re:Not buying it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >All living things evolve alongside each other, not independently of each other.
      No. Many living things evolve completely separated from each other by their inability to coexist in the same environments, separated by geographical distances and by oceans, or some otherwise total lack of contact. Lions evolve independently of blind cave fish. If this weren't true, the idea of "invasive species" wouldn't exist.

      >What you are describing is a world where trees evolved independently of the organisms which break down wood.
      There is nothing about evolution that precludes wood-digesting fungus from evolving *long* after trees covered the earth.
      The organisms which broke down wood simply didn't exist yet.
      That shouldn't be a stretch, if you accept that organisms can evolve to consume/metabolize chemicals that no other life on earth previously could.
      Big example is photosynthesis.

  25. Why boys often no longer grow into men? by butchersong · · Score: 1
    Even BPA free plastics still contain estrogen like compounds:

    Most Plastics leach hormone like chemicals original study link is broken.

    Setting this aside we'd still have to deal with the estrogens from birth control pills that are in the water but this can't help.

  26. We have plenty of leverage by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 1

    Ultimately you have no leverage over other nations attitudes on pollution other than to somehow try to get their population to a point where they care more about the long term effects of pollution on their health

    We do have leverage, we just aren't willing to use it. That leverage is both trade and military force.

    Consider an alternate history where the federal government vetoed NAFTA, did not give MFN status to China and had kept a 600-1000 ship USN after the Cold War. None of that is wild thinking as those are things that could have been done by simply making different choices at key points in the last 25 years.

    You bet your ass China would clean its shit up if a few hundred USN ships appeared beyond missile range and imposed a naval blockade of China until they agree to clean up their act.

    "Unwilling to act" != "No leverage." Everything you call impossible is just the result of our choices.

    1. Re:We have plenty of leverage by Mark+of+the+North · · Score: 1

      You (I'm not part of your "we") aren't willing to use it because enough of your leadership is smart enough not to do something so stupid.

      Sincerely, I would love to live in a world where people cared enough about environmental policy to go to war over it. Although the idea of warfare for the environment seems paradoxical.

    2. Re:We have plenty of leverage by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      I'm trying to imagine a naval blockade line around china that puts it out of the range of ballistic missiles.
      I'm also trying to imagine how a nuclear armed country with the potential to grossly overpower us (no matter what the power disparity is, the potential is there) responds to an internationally accepted act of war (blockade)
      I think you've been drinking too much of Jingo's kool-aid.

    3. Re:We have plenty of leverage by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      I'm sure the plastic runoff will be much less after the civilization-ending disaster of two nuclear armed powers slugging it out in an all-out attempt to stop the other side from being able to fire anymore guns.
      The Soviet Union was unwilling to end civilization over Cuba, but I'm pretty sure the Chinese would be willing to exchange some wicked fire over a blockade of their actual coast. Parent is fucking retarded.

  27. Um, later by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    When they include more spring-sourced waters, like Poland Spring, I'll be interested. No, I don't buy those exclusively, but surprise, I can name at least two cities in the US that receive spring-sourced water from their public utilities, and it is in fact better than most bottled water, right out of the tap. And I miss that water.

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    deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
  28. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't "want" to drink plastic, but until they determine if it's causing a health problem, who really cares? This is just scare tactics.

    1. Re:So what? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      I'm curious what reason you have to believe that plastic is inert.

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    2. Re:So what? by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      They most certainly aren't inert.

      Plastics used in food packaging are generally pretty inert, though.
      Also, a lot of its non-reactivity has to do with the length of the polymers. Break down plastic, and it's far more reactive, unsurprisingly, as it's generally linked hydrocarbons.

    3. Re:So what? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Because billions of people drink bottled water, most of which apparently has plastic particles in it. DIdn't you read the headline? Sheesh.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  29. Is it a problem? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    Most plastics are chemically inert, they don't form tiny sharp needles like asbestos and the quantities are ridiculously small anyways.

    So what is going to happen besides, well, shitting tiny plastic particles.

  30. cancer vs cuts by DogDude · · Score: 1

    You're saying that people are intentionally choosing a higher risk for cancer, over getting cut by broken glass? No. Sorry, but that's silly. People are intentionally choosing a higher risk of cancer for 1. cost and 2. convenience. That's all it is. People are generally stupid and frequently make really illogical, irrational decisions.

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    I don't respond to AC's.
    1. Re:cancer vs cuts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kay: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

  31. Bottled Tap Water by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dasani is bottled Calgary Tap water with one additional osmossis filtration stage.

    TOTALLY worth $2/bottle, not .03/litre like we all pay.

  32. Also in fish by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    Friday, March 09, 2018
    Microplastics found in 73 percent of fish in the Northwest Atlantic, according to latest research

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-03-09-microplastics-found-in-73-of-fish-in-the-northwest-atlantic-according.html

  33. Particles from bottle manufacturing? by CheckeredFlag · · Score: 1

    Perhaps these particles are the result of the bottle manufacturing and are already inside the empty bottle before the water is added? Certainly they're not manufactured in a cleanroom so there must be some amount of plastic dust in the air that will find its way inside bottles.

    1. Re:Particles from bottle manufacturing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      duh. obviously.

  34. Skewed, contrived by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

    This is just to move the attention away from what is in tap water.

    Nothing that can't be solved with a second helping of 30% of your income.

  35. So what? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Plastics are inert and just pass through your system. I'll bet there are other non-plastic things found in bottled water that would be far worse for you. But everything is there in such small quantities, drink on.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  36. I wonder if they did a control group by Headw1nd · · Score: 1

    I'd be interested in seeing the actual study, with controls, since 'm guessing that the plastic micropipet tips they used to transfer water and dyes likely added some microplastics as well.

  37. Our purpose on this planet is to make plastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    George Carlin stand-up:
    https://youtu.be/7W33HRc1A6c

  38. Forget the plastic... by psmoot · · Score: 1

    ...if 100 micron bits of plastic are getting through the filters, there could be a slew of microbes, grit, and other impurities. Don't they filter this stuff at all?

    I'm just going to drink from the backyard hose, the way God and The Beaver intended.

    1. Re:Forget the plastic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the water gets contamined with plastics after the filter? Or maybe BY the filters? Filters made if thousands of thin Polyester fibers...

  39. Surprising. by denbesten · · Score: 1

    100 micron is pretty big (about the size of table salt crystals). It might be hard to see, but it is trivial to filter.

    I filter every drop of water entering my house with a 30 micron sediment filter.

    I additionally filter my drinking water with an inexpensive 5 micron carbon filter followed by a more expensive 0.001 micron reverse osmosis filter.

    Heck, I even filter the air circulating in my house with a 3 micron furnace filter.

  40. trade-offs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell me: How many particles of naturally-occurring really bad stuff was found in a typical litre of water in the pre-plastic era, hmmmmmm?

    I keep seeing stories where people fume and fuss about synthetic stuff and pretend that all man-made things are dangerous and were cooked-up by big evil businesses who were maliciously looking to make a buck by harming people and killing the planet. This warped view of reality ignores the fact that most such things were invented by scientists and engineers who worked very hard to make a better thing that made peoples' lives better.

    The plastic bottle provided people with light-weight, mostly unbreakable, readily affordable, sanitary means of transporting and storing VERY safe (by historical standards) beverages. This was an improvement over the breakable and heavy but sanitary and less-affordable glass bottle, which was an improvement over the heavier, less-portable, less sanitary, more fragile and expensive ceramic bottles and wooden casks, which were an improvement over animal skin bags, and so on.

    The same plastic syringes we worry about as pollution, also provided us with vastly reduced risks of contamination from re-used and breakable glass syringes. Same for lots of other plastics in the healthcare and food industries.

    As bad as any plastic thing may be, we should ALWAYS ask how it compares to all the alternatives before abandoning it, and remember how much it was better than the earlier options it replaced. We need to be THOUGHTFUL ADULTS, not whining panicky ignorant adolescents.

  41. We don't have to worry about their nukes by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 1

    I'm trying to imagine a naval blockade line around china that puts it out of the range of ballistic missiles.

    China has just enough nukes that they'd have a choice: nuke our blockade line or nuke our cities. Also, let's be serious here. The main reason the United States is not taken seriously is that we're the world's cop always throwing our weight around and half-assing it. If our foreign policy were like China's, China would take us much more seriously if we barked at them because they'd know that anything serious enough to us to make us demand action is going to receive a follow through that no one wants.

    1. Re:We don't have to worry about their nukes by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      Nuke the blockade? Hell no. SRBMs and IRBMs are deployed all the time in contemporary warfare. We also have all kinds of defense against them. That being said, in the fight against dropping ballistics down on ships vs. how many Aegis cruisers we can deploy... the ballistics will always win, because they are cheaper.

    2. Re:We don't have to worry about their nukes by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      Also, I don't disagree that we're guilty of half-assing it.
      But to quote you, let's be real here.
      The day when we could push China around is long gone. In an all-out conventional war, they would win. In a limited engagement, they would win. They pushed us to the 38th parallel in Korea and held their ground with no appreciable anti-aircraft forces, or air superiority. We considered nuking the peninsula just to slow them down.
      Don't underestimate the power of an enemy that outnumbers you 4:1. That was Germany's mistake.

  42. Purity of Essence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plasticization is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face.

    Do you realize that in addition to plasticizing water, why, there are studies underway to plasticize salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk, ice cream? Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream!