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Students Are Using Their Loan Money To Buy Cryptocurrency, Study Says (fastcompany.com)

Student loans aren't just for buying textbooks, No. 2 pencils, and apples for bribing teachers anymore. According to a recent survey, as many as one in five college kids may be using their student loans to cash in on the cryptocurrency craze. From a report: The Student Loan Report surveyed 1,000 current college students with student loan debt about whether they were asked whether they used their student loan money to invest in cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin and found that 21.2% of them have Sallie Mae to thank for their cryptocurrency investment. Many students borrow a little more money than is necessary to pay for tuition and books, according to Student Loan Report. The leftover cash is typically used for college living expenses, but some wily students think that investing in Ethereum or Ripple may be a better investment than a bachelor's degree in comparative English literature.

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  1. Investments only go up right? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    It is not like some high volatile investments crash and burn just as fast as they had skyrocketed.

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    1. Re:Investments only go up right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They're not investing - they are speculating (gambling).

      And they and many folks who buy stocks do not understand the relationship between risk and return.

      With all these years of too cheap money, speculating fever is in all asset classes and it never ends well.

      And what these kids don't seem to realize is that when they lose, they are on the hook for a student loan that they will be stuck with. The only way to get out of paying a student loan is to die.

    2. Re:Investments only go up right? by rickb928 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps they opened a wallet and funded it so they could buy something with Bitcoin.

      That's an 'investment', yes, but not so simple as an Investment...

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    3. Re:Investments only go up right? by arth1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The only way to get out of paying a student loan is to die.

      This is not true. Emigrating usually works too.

    4. Re:Investments only go up right? by dmitrygr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh, they realize it. Why do you think they are campaigning for college student loan forgiveness?

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    5. Re:Investments only go up right? by Lanthanide · · Score: 2

      Most countries will fund tertiary education for their own citizens.

      Foreigners get charged the full rate, to stop people trying to do precisely what you suggest.

  2. Way to speculate by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    College debt is the hardest debt to discharge in bankruptcy. If you're taking a highly speculative position at that point in your life, you're better off running up credit card debt. Either you can pay it off with interest, or you have a bankruptcy before you graduate. Neither will result in 30-year-old you screwed cause of a bad bet.

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    1. Re: Way to speculate by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      Technically true, but it's not like you can get a loan from the IRS to buy BitCoin, and students don't normally owe the IRS anything.

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    2. Re: Way to speculate by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      Technically true, but it's not like you can get a loan from the IRS to buy BitCoin, and students don't normally owe the IRS anything.

      It's simple, instead of setting aside income that would normally go on something like a 1099-MISC, you invest it. (or gamble it). That's technically the IRS's money. It's harder to do with a W-2 because your employer normally takes your estimated taxes out for you. But I suppose you could make up a goofy estimate and borrow money from the IRS that way too.

      DISCLAIMER: I do not advocate tax fraud. The IRS will probably find you and try to ruin your life.

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    3. Re:Way to speculate by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      College is a highly-speculative position. It's part of why some of us are advocating for apprenticeship and trade school programs as well as just college access. The Democratic party has sort of built a narrative where you go to college and you're a winner, or you don't go to college and you're a loser; it doesn't work like that.

      College educations require several years of time investment. Full-time college requires large amounts of attention and takes a toll on your capacity to work, which means you're either driving yourself insane or you're losing financial ground--yes, you can go to college and come out behind someone who skipped all that and tried to drive right into a career.

      The rate of advancement of a minimally-educated, self-studied, experienced worker after four years is much higher than that of a new graduate with little practical experience; and there are far more basic engineer positions in technical fields (e.g. IT) than there are senior, lead, or management positions (e.g. CISO). You'll get to be a highly-valuable engineer earlier (in time) if you start out by diving into work and a little part-time study than you will if you do a solid bachelor's degree and then begin your career 4 years late; you might not have the career opportunities of a college graduate, but you'll be a well-paid engineer or senior engineer earlier the graduate who doesn't get those opportunities.

      You'll also be damned far ahead in terms of money by that time.

      Student loans make this even worse, of course, because you end up stacking up debt while you can't pay it off, and it collects interest while you wait. The Federal government pays that interest in subsidized deferments; otherwise you're going to mainly pay interest on your loan, making the actual cost of college tiny in comparison to the cost of the loan with which you paid for college.

      The biggest risk, however, is the job market.

      250,000 IT positions became available this year. Over the next 5 years, we project another 1.5 million positions. Sounds great, right?

      What you see: 40% turn-over of job rate. HR working with anywhere from 3 to 15 recruiters. Each job gets posted 15 times on every online job search system. Millions upon millions of IT jobs pop up all throughout the year. A super hot market!

      We have projections of IT worker demand growth. We have projections of salary growth. How many other students are running to college for IT?

      Do you know if there will be an enormous glut of IT workers in 5 years? Do you know if there will be a slow-down in hiring? No.

      That's the risk you take.

      It's why we need to create some sort of cooperative employment programs, apprenticeships, and vocational programs. We want to do something like provide free access to two- or four-year college for everyone with less than $100,000/year of income (good luck with that: Donald Trump Jr. just has to move out of his dad's house when he turns 18, get a small apartment paid ahead by his father, and have daddy not claim him as a dependent so he can take free college; how do we write the legal language?). We also need to provide a way for them to ensure they won't come out of college begging for a McJob.

      We can do that with shorter programs--apprenticeships (notable for plumbers and electricians), vocational training, etc.--and with cooperative programs in which you work while you attend college or trade school. A sponsoring organization would have a job prepared for you, and leverage you while you learn.

      Think about computer programmers, network engineers, and the like. Do you need a Masters Degree in Computer Science and Information Systems to do this job? Well, no. To do the job of the senior technical lead programmer, you do; to do code clean-up, implement some basic software functionality, and otherwise handle those tasks that got most programmers into programming, you just need Googlepedia.

      Here's the big secret: lots of t

  3. I hope by reanjr · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hope these aren't the same students asking for debt forgiveness.

  4. Re: I smell bullshit by reanjr · · Score: 2, Informative

    21% of students buying crypto used student loans. Not 21% of student loan recipients use it to buy crypto.

  5. to be fair by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For certain degrees it could be true that you're more likely to cash out on a lucky bet than the degree itself. [Aggrieved group] Studies type degrees probably aren't too marketable.

  6. Better than investing in a college education? by butchersong · · Score: 2

    Realistically, crypto is likely to yield a better result than their humanities, arts, social science education. Looking at this chart... chart it appears to me there are other students making worse choices. At least the investment is unlikely to drop to zero value.

    1. Re:Better than investing in a college education? by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What does that chart even show? The Y axis is just labelled "percent".

      Anyway, if you're studying art in college because you're looking for a financial ROI, you're probably going to be disappointed, but I'm not sure that's why people study those things.

      If the "financial value" of your education drops to zero, at least you still have the education. If the price of bitcoin drops to zero (which is far from unthinkable), you've got jack squat.

  7. Re:it's not an investment. it's gambling. by rogoshen1 · · Score: 2

    So is a bachelors degree -- and at this stage, i'm not sure which is more likely to pay off.

  8. Re: I smell bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, they surveyed student loan recipients:

    "we found that 21.2 percent of current college students with student loan debt have used financial aid money to fund a cryptocurrency investment."

    https://studentloans.net/financial-aid-funding-cryptocurrency-investments/

  9. Re:Of course by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

    Even better would be phony currency generated by free/unmetered dorm electricity!

  10. Re:What banks? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    Banks don't own the loans, the federal government owns 90%+ of loans these days.

    The federal government doesn't profit on student loans. Banks do.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/p...

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/p...

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  11. Better investment than college by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Especially if they're majoring in *any* of the "let's invent new gender identities" majors.

  12. How does that even work? by guruevi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm used to working with grants and government loans. Typically, you at the end don't actually see the money, you get to distribute money from the fund provided and have to give a pretty good accounting.

    Stuff like meals and lodging are scrutinized and only permitted to a certain extent, so how do students get this 'free money' to "live off" in school so they can spend it on frivolous stuff? Back in my day, we used to have this thing called "a job" and you worked at it vacations, weekends and nights to get food. It's a 30 year loan at like 4-5%, that's almost as good a a mortgage.

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  13. I love the bullshit here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    as many as one in five college kids may be using their student loans to cash in on the cryptocurrency craze

    So that's anywhere from zero to 1 in 5 real specific range--assholes.

  14. Re: I smell bullshit by jetkust · · Score: 2

    Source? The poll is clearly about what you said it is not about.

  15. Either Way They Win by Tupper · · Score: 4, Funny
    If it goes up, they'll be rich!

    If it goes down, they'll get a financial education!

  16. Re:What banks? by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Banks have almost not blame in this mess.

    Banks in general are risk-averse, and student loans are pulling at all the red flags that any lender would use to signal a risky loan.

    Things like:
    * No credit history (they're coming out of high school and few probably got a credit card to build up a credit history)
    * A big loan (6 figure sum!)
    * No assets to speak of (teens, again)
    * No assets to speak of even after purchase (i.e., you're not buying an asset with the loan)
    * No steady employment
    * Delayed payback

    Knowing all that, would you loan someone $100,000+? Even a mortgage means the bank has something to secure the loan.

    It's why the government has to tilt things so it isn't so risky on banks - such as non-dischargable, guarantees on repayment, etc.

    Banks aren't stupid. Student loans are structured the way they are because no financial institution is stupid enough to make such loans unassisted.

  17. Investing with student loans is smart. by aussersterne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know about cryptocurrency, though.

    What I do know is that I felt very proud to not take the full cost of attendance out as loans when I was doing my degree. I thought (and the "adults" told me) that I was very smart to minimize my borrowing.

    I know two separate people who took out the full cost of attendance loan (max they could get) every semester they were in school, and used that money as down payments on their first rental buildings. Years later, they both now have small real estate empires, the loans are paid off, and one retired in his '30s, all started by student loans. Both leveraged their student loan debt into investments that paid off.

    Meanwhile, I was under the debt thumb for years and years and am still working for a salary 50+ hours a week. Someone was smart, and it wasn't me (despite what the older generation applauded me for).

    On the other hand, I'm not sure that cryptocurrency is quite the same deal. Seems like it would be smarter to invest and rent-seek as the people that I know did.

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  18. Re:College costs have spiraled out of control by guruevi · · Score: 2

    What I meant is that my education was paid for by grants and other government money, but I never spent any of the money in those accounts for food. Back when I was working as a student, I earned maybe $5/h, that wasn't enough for a lavish lifestyle but it was and would still be enough today for what I needed - even today, you can find housing for $100-200/month (that's 4-5 days of work) and food at $5-10/day, if you don't work in the food industry.

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  19. Buying it? by Deadstick · · Score: 2

    Considering the level of supervision in some school IT departments I've seen, they might be mining it.

  20. Re:I'm down with OPP by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's insane. Why should I pay for someone else to go to school?

    Why should I pay for the roads you use? Why should I pay for the military to protect you? Why should anyone pay more for a product than what it cost to make? Why should a dime of money go to someone's profit just for owning a share of stock and having nothing to do with the products?

    All these are questions that you will be better equipped to answer when you get out of middle school.

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  21. Unwise by elgatozorbas · · Score: 2

    Rule number one of investing: only invest money you don't need. Borrowing money to invest is a complete contradiction. In the case of student loans that may not be such a problem (not living in the US I have no idea how well protected you are).

    Rule number two of investing: only invest in what you understand. Debatable in this case.

    Rule number three of investing (as opposed to speculation): do value investing. No investment whatsoever could be further away from value investing than crypto currency. I am a sufficiently old fart to know that what went up yesterday and the day before may go down tomorrow, especially if it has no intrinsic value.

    This seems like problems in the making...