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Cord Cutting Caused By 74 Percent TV Price Hikes Since 2000, Says Report (dslreports.com)

A new study by Kagan, S&P Global Market Intelligence finds that cord cutting is being caused primarily by a 74% increase in customer cable bills since 2000. From a report: That increase is even adjusted for inflation, and it should be noted that individual earnings have seen a modest decline during that same period, making soaring cable rates untenable for many. This affordability gap is "squeezing penetration rates, particularly among the more economically vulnerable households," the research company added. As their chart illustrates, prices for multichannel packages have steadily risen from just below $60 a month in 2000 to close to $100 in 2016. All while incomes remained largely stagnant. As customers grow increasingly angry at cable TV rate hikes and defect to streaming alternatives, most cable operators are simply raising the price of broadband (often via usage caps and overage fees) to try and make up for lost revenue. And because most parts of America still don't really see healthy broadband competition, they can consistently get away with it.

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  1. Price hikes... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    but also different services. Cable Internet was rare in 2001. Cable Internet + Netflix + over-the-air TV probably offer more choice of programming than normal cable did in 2001.

    1. Re:Price hikes... by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      What has cable Internet got to do with it?

      Pure Cable TV (multichannel) bills have increased by 74%. Not including any charges for Internet services or Netflix.

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    2. Re: Price hikes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was no cable internet or cord cutting to worry about in the 80's-2000.
      And yet there was just as bad of a price hike then too.

    3. Re: Price hikes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No cord cutting then, because there wasn't an alternative. Now there is.

      Instead of cable TV, you may enjoy internet TV, netflix, youtube,... . Or even drop the 'TV concept' and just surf the web all day. The TV is no longer unique - both news & entertainment can be had in other ways.

    4. Re:Price hikes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What has cable Internet got to do with it?

      Nothing at all. Commenter clearly don't know radio from fiber from ADSL from cable, let alone the fact that Internet doesn't have anything to do with cable.

    5. Re:Price hikes... by Not-a-Neg · · Score: 1

      Cable Internet took off in 1997, it was only slow to reach rural areas. You must have been too young to remember the "net days" of 1995 and 1996 when fiber optic cables were being run across the country. I was in college at the time when our state representative stopped by the college campus to give a speech and do a Q&A session, the first question asked was when cable Internet was going to be delivered to our area, it was the most important topic of discussion for all of the students there. As much as I hate to link to CNN, here's an article to give a little insight: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9706/1...

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    6. Re:Price hikes... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      It's what spread decent broadband speeds actually capable of streaming video - making it possible to have TV without traditional TV service. ADSL/VDSL has OK speeds now for that, but still wouldn't have without cable competition.

      The 74% increase is driven by milking existing customers to cover the subscriber loss, but they're only driving away their remaining customers.

    7. Re: Price hikes... by raybob · · Score: 1

      I didn't read the thread, but I cut the cord in 2002
      . Haven't looked back, and that's living without TV, just OTA. Nowadays, digital OTA is good, but tv is just not that important.

    8. Re:Price hikes... by martinfb · · Score: 1

      Bullshit on the intended premise here.

      If you have cable, you can see that choices are really NOT greater.
      Nearly all shows on cable are re-run so much that there is nearly nothing - NOTHING - new to watch most of the time.
      Thus, there is diminished value these days compared to 2000 - and at a higher cost.

      And with that idiot Ajit Pai's conformance with this administrations war on badly needed regulations, it will get worse.

      Our famous capitalistic society is quickly turning into oligarcic dog-eat-dog unfair abuse.
      800-pound-gorilla, elepahant-in-the-room too-big-to-fail corporations will only continue to get away with their abusive practices.
      and, apparently, they have you fooled!

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    9. Re:Price hikes... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      No.

      I'm saying that having Internet only + air TV gives you more choices than cable did in 2000. Netflix + over-air HDTV + Amazon Video + Youtube. Who needs more unless you're a rabid sportsball fan?

      People are dropping the TV part of cable because it doesn't offer much over just having an antenna and a good Internet connection.

    10. Re:Price hikes... by martinfb · · Score: 1

      Oops! My bad. I misunderstood. Lost much intelligence watching TV!

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  2. Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    And that, kids, is how the free market works

    1. Re:Econ 101 by olsmeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Did you miss the last sentence that said most of America doesn't have healthy broadband competition? That means it's not a free market.

    2. Re:Econ 101 by VernonNemitz · · Score: 1

      It only works if businesses learn from it and act on what they learn. In the case of the lead article here, it is apparent that the greed of cable companies has now met the Law of Diminishing Returns. Whether or not they decide to be less greedy, and take prices back down to what they were roughly a decade ago, which should cause floods of customers to come back, remains to be seen.

    3. Re:Econ 101 by brokie · · Score: 0

      Umm, a free market where lobbyists don't bribe the government for protection, and gangsters don't hang dudes that cause problems for their business from a tree in Berlin Park in Florida, yeah, this is how a free market is SUPPOSED to work...

    4. Re: Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are free to sign up for the service, or not. Cable TV is not, even under the most generous interpretation of the term, a necessity.

    5. Re: Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are you talking about TV when the person you are replying to said broadband?

    6. Re:Econ 101 by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      What I am hoping is that companies learn valuable lessons from this. Such as "you don't have a captive market", "customers can only take so much pain", "beware of raising prices without raising value", and so forth.

    7. Re:Econ 101 by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And that, kids, is how the free market works

      No, cable TV pricing and service is pretty much the poster-child for what happens when we don't have enough competition in the market. The new internet streaming services you get at $10-15 per month are more indicative of the free market. Netflix and Hulu can't arbitrarily raise prices at will because they're competing with each other for market share.

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    8. Re: Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are free to sign up for the service, or not.

      A "take it or leave it" monopoly is not a "free market".

      Cable TV is not, even under the most generous interpretation of the term, a necessity.

      Nobody says it was. That has nothing to do with it being a free market or not.

    9. Re:Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You forget that this so called "free market" is exactly what happened here. Without any regulation (thus "free market"), the biggest providers push the smaller ones aside and gain an monopoly. After that it's raising prices and raising prices, because there is no competition left.

      Yep - Isn't "free market" great?

    10. Re:Econ 101 by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You forget that this so called "free market" is exactly what happened here. Without any regulation (thus "free market"), the biggest providers push the smaller ones aside and gain an monopoly. After that it's raising prices and raising prices, because there is no competition left.

      Yep - Isn't "free market" great?

      This seems to be a common misconception. The "free market" doesn't preclude regulation. It relies on it. Without regulation, you simply have anarchy, and a free market can't function correctly - or at least, as efficiently. From ancient times, the most prosperous free markets have co-habited with a strong government to provide oversight and regulation, which offers a safe haven that in turn provides for a greater focus on economic development.

      Also, a lot of the monopolistic tendencies of cable companies are due to regulation of the WRONG kind, preventing competitors from even entering the market in certain areas, or preventing local co-ops from forming to offer an alternative option. Like almost anything else, regulation can be a double-edged sword depending how it's used, either helping or harming consumers.

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    11. Re:Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, kids, that is how monopolies work.

    12. Re: Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I too stick to my guns by relaying information that is not pertinent.

    13. Re:Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "free market" doesn't preclude regulation. It relies on it.

      Hogwash. This is the first time I've ever read anyone likening "free market" to a "properly regulated market". Every single time I see someone proclaiming a "free market" as a solution they have always been talking about deregulation, not proper regulation.

    14. Re:Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that's not what happened. Cable companies are the poster child for regulatory capture. They went to locations and made a deal for the exclusive right to right-of-way to string cable, making them a monopoly. Then they used their position to ensure their exclusive right-of-way was protected so that no competitor could also string cable. In many cases they extorted extra concessions from local government in the way of tax breaks and other benefits.
      If anything the market is over-regulated. Places like Chicago prevented any cable for decades, because they wouldn't give concessions to cable company owners, and actively prevented them from getting right of ways. Seattle still prevents the stringing of cable lines by anybody, which is why broadband is so bad there. (It also helps keep workers at Microsoft on campus, because their internet at home sucks.) But most other places prevent any other companies than their "special" partners from using right of way or competing.

    15. Re:Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Property rights is regulation.
      Without property rights, there is no concept of a market.
      Now we are just haggling about how MUCH regulation is appropriate.

    16. Re:Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seriously. I'm in a major metro area. My choices are Comcast and Comcast. And they have bundled their services such that I'd be strictly prohibited from getting the same internet access without cable, at *any* price. I could step my service down and pay *more*.

      These fuckers are shameless.

    17. Re:Econ 101 by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I have Spectrum cable internet only. They sent me a few mailers offering to give me TV for free after being on their internet for a while. I refused.

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    18. Re:Econ 101 by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      ....and the US government has been promoting consolidation for a long time. I think every president since Carter has actively deregulated to allow consolidation (the elimination of competition).

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    19. Re:Econ 101 by CodeHog · · Score: 1

      Exactly right except the part you left out where they get exclusive license in the majority of towns and cities. I thinking of a term of what they call that and it's not capitalism....

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    20. Re:Econ 101 by CodeHog · · Score: 1

      Which could lead to the share holders forcing the CXXs and board to step down or be thrown out because they aren't doing what's in the best interest of the company, increasing share value, revenue, etc. The genie is out of the bottle and they are going to fight tooth and nail to stop this, see the current NN fight.I know this is about BB not internet but similar situation just a different battlefield.

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    21. Re: Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Broadband is also not a necessity. You could go to a library for internet access. Very little actually requires an internet connection for you to live.

    22. Re:Econ 101 by CodeHog · · Score: 1

      "and gangsters don't hang dudes that cause problems" What? What is that about?

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    23. Re:Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything you posted is technically true. But it really doesn't help when some people participating in the debate continually portray any possibility of admitting there is an already existing natural monopoly in need of regulation as being anathema to a free market system...

      I honestly think that an almost totally anarchic market is actually what a lot of people have in mind when they claim they want to pursue a "free market solution."

    24. Re: Econ 101 by sheph · · Score: 1

      it only matters if you're talking about necessities. No one NEEDS cable TV. They're raising the price to compensate for people leaving, so what's going to wind up happening is even more people are going to leave, and they're going to make even less. I find it very amusing.

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    25. Re:Econ 101 by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Telecommunications are a natural monopoly and always will be. When it costs $2 Billion to wire a small city the very nature of the business would prevent another provider from spending the same capital expenditure. This has nothing to do with regulation, nothing at all.

      The only reason we even have 2 providers in some areas is because the FCC deliberately prevented cable companies and telephone companies from entering the others business. A decade later when the FCC allowed this rule to collapse and the cable and teleco's entered each others business you saw a decline in the price of internet but not in cable TV because most of the teleco's didn't enter the cable TV market. This created a doupoly where the two providers in the market would segregate the market segment and control prices to prevent pricing wars to keep profits maximized.

      But even getting 2 competitors in a market wasn't successful in all but the most urban areas, almost all rural areas still only have a single provider with what most people consider ridiculous prices and services. This is because these companies will not invest in capital upgrades.

    26. Re: Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... you said, using the internet.

      Practice what you preach. Cancel your cell phone plan and cable/dsl/fiber/whatever internet access, then come back and say it again in a year.

    27. Re: Econ 101 by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      So you'd be perfectly happy having the option of buying precisely one type of car or none at all? One type of TV? One type of table?

      None of these are necessities, so if you'd rather have a choice of, say, backyard grills, it does matter.

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    28. Re:Econ 101 by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Except that shareholders in large corporations tend to be other large corporations, executives and board members in large corporations, and mutual funds, all of which are likely to rubberstamp board recommendations.

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    29. Re:Econ 101 by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Of course it is capitalism, they used their capital to buy a monopoly, classic capitalism. What it is not is a free market.
      Don't get confused and think that free market equals capitalism as capitalism strives to get rid of the free market so the capitalist can rake in the profits without the effort of actually competing.

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    30. Re: Econ 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one NEEDS a car, no one NEEDS a house, no one NEEDS a family, no one NEEDS friends, no one NEEDS a job(grow your own food somewhere), no one NEEDS to be happy. What makes society work is not needs but wants. Most people want peace, most people want to be happy. The bare minimum to live does not require society, and society is actually a hindrance in those situations. You can't even have land without government's approval, which requires a job, which is not a need.

    31. Re: Econ 101 by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      It matters at every level of commerce
      A lack of effective competition means an end to contract rights (think about it)
      When you can't choose, you can't be held for refusing the terms of the contract

  3. I cut the cord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ditched Comcast for TDS as soon as I knew it was available. Last night I was installing from Steam at an actual speed of over 700 megabits/second. It was glorious.

  4. Sensationalist statistics by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 0

    A 74% inflation-adjusted increase since 2000 would be around a 150% raw increase.

    That means the same service that cost you $100 in 2000 would cost you around $250 now.

    If you believe that, I have some swampland in Florida that would be perfect for you.

    1. Re:Sensationalist statistics by DRJlaw · · Score: 4, Informative

      A 74% inflation-adjusted increase since 2000 would be around a 150% raw increase.

      That means the same service that cost you $100 in 2000 would cost you around $250 now.

      If you believe that, I have some swampland in Florida that would be perfect for you.

      You're right, don't believe that inlation since 2000 has been 100% (doubling the 74% post-adjusted increase as you have).

      And I'm right. From 2000 to 2018 it was 44.5%.

      I also don't believe your base rate, because there were a number of stories in 2016 reporting that the average had just crossed $100/mo.

      And I'm right. In 2000 the average was reported to be about $40/mo.

      That means that your numbers are indeed swampland-sales quality.

    2. Re:Sensationalist statistics by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      What they're saying appears to be the average cable bill in 2000 was $40. If you adjust that for inflation in 2017 dollars, it's $57.
      The average price in 2017 was $100. 57 -> 100 is a 75% increase.

      You're right! 75% is nowhere near 74%

    3. Re:Sensationalist statistics by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 0

      Sorry if that was too subtle for you. Simply stating that the average bill went up between 2000 and now without evaluating what services people were actually paying for then and now is, to put it generously, disingenuous.

    4. Re:Sensationalist statistics by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 0

      You're disagreeing with math. For the claimed numbers to be true, what cost $100 in would have to $250 today. Adjust as needed for your actual 2000 cable bill. Nowhere did I claim that the average cable bill in 2000 was $100. Try again.

    5. Re:Sensationalist statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >

      If you believe that, I have some swampland in Florida that would be perfect for you.

      Would you be interested in Exquisite beachfront properties in Colorado ?

    6. Re:Sensationalist statistics by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the clarification, Comcast Guy.

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    7. Re:Sensationalist statistics by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      You mean how people now pay for a dozen different premium add-ons now, when back in 2000 there weren't even a dozen to choose from?
      Effectively meaning the servicing you were paying for in 2000 doesn't exist now without a bunch of "add-ons"

      That is... unless the average person pays for more than internet, phone and tv on their cable bill now?

    8. Re:Sensationalist statistics by DeVilla · · Score: 5, Informative

      What used to cost us $60 cost over $150 when we dropped cable. We went from 20Mb to 100Mb, picked up Netflix, Hulu & Prime (commercial free, multi-viewer packages) and still came out at least $40 cheaper a month. We can't watch everything we might want, but we can always find things we actually want to watch.

      Split the hair any way you like. Cable's been constantly rising in price and there's no added value for the added cost. Cable isn't worth the money any more.

    9. Re: Sensationalist statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most areas I've seen don't have below 40/month. I'm surprised the average is that low.

    10. Re:Sensationalist statistics by DRJlaw · · Score: 5, Informative

      You're disagreeing with math. For the claimed numbers to be true, what cost $100 in would have to $250 today. Adjust as needed for your actual 2000 cable bill. Nowhere did I claim that the average cable bill in 2000 was $100. Try again.

      No, I'm disagreeing with facts. You factually claimed an inflation rate that is incorrect to come up with a "150% raw increase" that is false -- it was 107%. You also alleged a service cost in 2000 of $100 despite a summary that expressly stated the packages were "below $60 per month," and came up with a current service cost of $250 today despite a summary that also expressly stated that service costs were $100/mo in 2016 -- but now act as if people reading your reply would not infer that the "service" that you were referring to was the same service being discussed in the summary. That was deceptive.

      Your math may be perfectly accurate, but your model, basis, and conclusions are bullshit.

      You try again.

    11. Re: Sensationalist statistics by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      That was 18 years ago. Per the summary (and other news), the average crept above $100/mo in 2016.

    12. Re:Sensationalist statistics by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      Simply stating that the average bill went up between 2000 and now without evaluating what services people were actually paying for then and now is, to put it generously, disingenuous.

      "As their chart illustrates, prices for multichannel packages have steadily risen from just below $60 a month in 2000 to close to $100 in 2016."

      You need to improve your reading comprehension. That was an apples-to-apples comparison. TFA said nothing about "average bills" with additional services such as bundled telephone service or bundled internet service. You're the one being disingenuous.

    13. Re:Sensationalist statistics by rhazz · · Score: 2

      My evolution was:

      - Paid about $60/mo and we only watched 4 channels
      - Started watching less TV couldn't justify the expense, downgraded to $40/mo package which lost 2 of the channels we liked
      - Picked up Netflix for $8.99/mo
      - Realized we watched Netflix 5x more than cable, so cancelled cable
      - shake our heads when we think how more much we used to pay for so much less value

    14. Re:Sensationalist statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A 74% inflation-adjusted increase since 2000 would be around a 150% raw increase.

      That means the same service that cost you $100 in 2000 would cost you around $250 now.

      If you believe that, I have some swampland in Florida that would be perfect for you.

      I cut cable TV when they tried to raise my monthly bill to ~ $275. Previously I'd haggled with them all the way down to ~$220, but this last time I put my energy into setting up an OTA rig (TabloTV & roku based).

      And yes, back around 2000 I was paying ~ $100 a month to my cable provider. (I recognize that the service did expand in that interval, but I can only watch so much TV.)

      The things that annoyed me wrt cable were:
      - never-ending price hikes
      - ease of use when adding services, anti-ease wrt doing anything that would lower my bill
      - nickle'n'dime'ing me. (e.g. could only use their DVR (expensive rental), & also pay for a(n expensive) DVR service.)

      Anyway, tell me about the swampland. I'm intrigued. Frankly, I'd be more interested in that than going back to cable TV.

    15. Re:Sensationalist statistics by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      I'm interested in your swampland.

      Though I don't have the 2000-vs-2018 figures, I do know that my cable TV bill went from about $32 in 1998, to a little over $50 (don't remember exactly how much) in 2006 when I canceled it. Some people who still pay for TV say their bill is around a hundred dollars, and I don't think they're lying.

      Perhaps your point is that everyone is understating the percentage it has increased, since it has actually tripled?

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    16. Re:Sensationalist statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're disagreeing with math. For the claimed numbers to be true, what cost $100 in would have to $250 today. Adjust as needed for your actual 2000 cable bill. Nowhere did I claim that the average cable bill in 2000 was $100. Try again.

      Dude, you got pwned. Your response doesn't even make sense.

    17. Re:Sensationalist statistics by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I have talked to cable customers getting bills for $200+. They often switch to Dish.

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    18. Re:Sensationalist statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My evolution was:

      - shake our heads when we think how more much we used to pay for so much less value

      Pretty much same here. Except I figured that pirating Netflix is more convenient on the go even though I have subscription. So unless I am at home in front of the TV I don't use Netflix directly. I pirate everything else (which is not much) because fuck everyone else. (Seriously considering Amazon tho).

    19. Re:Sensationalist statistics by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      It is, when I first got married, the best cable packages were around $100 / month. They are now north of $200, probably close to $250. This would be everything with Starz, HBO, Cinnemax, etc. It wouldn't be that difficult to spend $250 on cable today.

    20. Re:Sensationalist statistics by martinfb · · Score: 1

      Wanna see my bills?!

      My rates went from ~$50/mo for basic service to over $100 for the same pkg.
      And, there is LESS to watch! Most everything is a repeat - MANY MANY times a month, then again in a few months!

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  5. Monopoly by valnar · · Score: 1

    The cable companies would see an increase in sustainability if they literally cut their costs in half. Spending $100-200 for Cable and Internet is ridiculous. They have no one to blame but themselves. There is nothing stopping them from negotiating better fees from the failing cable networks they thrust upon us.

    1. Re:Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck is "an increase in sustainability"?

      How do you increase it - it is not subject to gradation. You either are sustainable, or you are not.

    2. Re:Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about, common sense?

      I've seen plenty of sales pitches. Deals that range from 10's of thousands to millions. If I know a customer wants to spend a million, and I ask for 3 million, I've just lost a customer forever.

      So in the cable business, the 'sale' amount is much lower, but the principle is the same. They are loosing because they aren't selling people what they want at the price they want. If they want to sustain their business, just go back to selling what people want. Quit with the regular rate hikes, and quit packaging 100's of channels of garbage. So the earlier suggestion of going to $50/mo giving the channels people want may really be profitable as it will bring people back, and create a positive image again. So it's sustainable.

    3. Re:Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can increase the length of time you will survive, or even make it sustainable. Don't be a tool.

    4. Re:Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that cable channels are a special kind of socialism in which your subscription subsidizes other channels you don't watch while someone else's subscription to channels you don't watch subsidizes the channels you do watch. People used to opine about a la carte cable packages with "only the channels I want", then balk at the pricetag when it costs nearly as much as a standard cable package because it no longer receives the subsidies.

      Of course, that's all entirely moot now that you can get on-demand shows/films over the internet for relatively low prices without the need for cable in the first place.

  6. That can't be right by viperidaenz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They've been telling us online piracy was the cause of it, not their price hikes.

    1. Re:That can't be right by CodeHog · · Score: 1

      Hey don't look at that man behind the curtain! Shhh.... Now we have to go prioritize our traffic over competitors traffic and charge customers for it.

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    2. Re:That can't be right by rsborg · · Score: 1

      They've been telling us online piracy was the cause of it, not their price hikes.

      Of course, when I hear that kind of logic, I keep hearing "the beatings will continue until morale improves".

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  7. Cox just raised the price of internet by rsilvergun · · Score: 0, Troll

    by $20-$60 dollars in my area by imposing bandwidth caps. Their costs hadn't raised a dime, this was just a cash grab because the current (Republican) administration isn't likely to regulate them for abusing their duopoly (yeah, there's one other provider, who's exactly as bad).

    I know it's not popular to call a political party out by name around here, but what else can I call it? I had 8 years of steady prices (going up a buck here, a buck there) and as soon as the Rs where in charge *blam*, $big raises. I've got biz class and the next time my contract's up It'll be $160/mo. Meanwhile Cox lobbies the Rs to prevent muni broadband and any competition whatsoever.

    These are the same folks who killed Net Neutrality and just deregulated Wallstreet (albeit with the help of some Corporate Dems like that bitch Pelosi and that bastard Schumer). Enough already. There comes a time when you call a spade a spade. Vote Bernie's party. Listen to him and his and vote there. Or stop bitching about getting screwed by mega corps.

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    1. Re:Cox just raised the price of internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bernie is a communist who would love to put you in a bread line.

      If that's how you want to live just move to Venezuela.

    2. Re:Cox just raised the price of internet by another_twilight · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Have a look at a list of countries ordered by standard of living. There's different ways of measuring that, but most shake out about the same.

      Now take a look at the common factor among them. Strong social policies. No, not communist, nor entirely socialist, but a mix of socialist (*gasp*) policies and regulated capitalism. It's almost like using limited socialism in some areas and limited capitalism in others works better than either alone.

      Maybe the answer to the problems in the US is more capitalism, less regulation and an 'I've got mine' attitude. But probably not.

      Now, you're probably either a troll or a pot stirrer, so this isn't really aimed at you. I'm hoping that chipping away at the reflexive socialist=bad that crops up might make room for some reasoned discussion on actual change and not just another round of more-of-the-same.

    3. Re:Cox just raised the price of internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your pinning the blame on republicans is pure BS.

      I'm in an area with Cox, and CenturyLink is the alternative I use. My bill just went down by 20% due to CenturyLink's own plan price change. My bill could have gone down by 33% but I opted to use a higher speed, with the price drop. That's right, I got 3X speed at a lower price due to better plans coming out. And what's more, they guarantee this plan to stay where it is for life. No data cap either.

      If this was caused by 'R' people, then hallelujah. This just happened, and I'm being told the internet is over. Actually, you're being suckered by Cox. And you don't realize it.

      I'm sure someone will try to maneuver a response that tries twisting this back into a political hate-mongering, but this is really to let you have an opportunity to let someone else's words destroy your attempt at politicizing, live rent free in your mind. Enjoy your $160/mo Cox 'biz' connection, because that's YOUR choice.

    4. Re:Cox just raised the price of internet by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

      by $20-$60 dollars in my area by imposing bandwidth caps

      Yup, because all those people shouting "cut the cord!" from the rooftops somehow imagined that the big telco companies would just sit idly by, while their profits dropped. With less fools happily paying $100+/mo for 100s of channels of garbage, the costs of keeping the cable company in the black just gets passed on to the rest of us.

      the current (Republican) administration isn't likely to regulate them for abusing their duopoly (yeah, there's one other provider, who's exactly as bad).

      At least with the option of another broadband provider, you can take advantage of any "new customer" promotional rates by switching between them. My neighborhood is served by a single land-based broadband provider (Spectrum). They literally have no competition.

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    5. Re:Cox just raised the price of internet by MoaDweeb · · Score: 2

      Bernie only wants votes from people who can spell, mouth breathers like you should not vote.

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    6. Re: Cox just raised the price of internet by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      It's a slippery slope though. Once they start implementing leftist policies, they want to go further and further. It will never stop. Thing is though, there's a lot of ruin in a country. It takes decades to drive us off a cliff. But it'll happen as sure as it did in Venezuela.

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    7. Re: Cox just raised the price of internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you got some Kool-Aid on your shirt there, buddy. Now calm down and try to explain what you think is real versus what you are told is real. Now bust out a dictionary and look up the terms you so often use that you hear repeated ad infinitum without any actual substance or reasoning behind the diatribe. There lies the answers you seek behind the lies.

    8. Re:Cox just raised the price of internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Allow me to bring the controversy: most of the countries with the highest standards of living also happen to be the whitest countries in the world. Pretty easy to implement semi-socialist policy when your population is incredibly homogeneous. So how are we supposed to apply those kinds of policies to a country with as diverse a population as the USA, especially when the country was built upon a strong sense of individualism?

  8. Well, duh... by GerryGilmore · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Dumb-ass faux-capitalist/monopolists control entertainment delivery and content. Technology starts under-cutting their rent-seeking behavior. Rather than respond appropriately, ala carte pricing, etc., they double-down by raising prices and cutting "Customer Service" (a new oxymoron!) and are shocked - shocked! I say! - when customers bail.
    Fuck 'em. Couldn't happen to a greater bunch of guys outside the music industry.

    1. Re:Well, duh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Overall, I agree, but note that the cable companies are still quite thoroughly in business selling internet access. Usually as the only actual "broadband" (by FCC definition - 25mbps or better) in town. For fixed installations (like your house or business) that's still what most people use. So I wouldn't shed a tear for their profitability - they still rip people off quite effectively with their pseudo-monopoly on decent broadband service.

  9. Sharter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well at least due to the agreement for the merger of Sharter TWC and BHN they won't be able to introduce any bandwidth caps or overage fees till at least the early 2020's by then we should be full swing into 5G cellular which will probably be the final nail in the coffin for the cable industry.

    1. Re:Sharter by stooo · · Score: 1

      >> 5G cellular which will probably be the final nail in the coffin for the cable industry
      That's not how bandwidth works.

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    2. Re:Sharter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly for most consumers the bandwidth their current 4G plans provide is adequate for most home users, the problem is the monthly bandwidth caps in place to keep the limited spectrum from being over utilized. With 5G's better use of the spectrum it should hopefully allow the data caps to be raised to where they would be usable as a primary internet connection. So even if cable manages to make it to 10gbps by then, who really cares. Just to get out from under the cable monopoly people may very well choose a 5G cellular connection at a few hundred mbps

      As it stands today my 4G cellular connection has faster upload speeds than my home connection. Even the fastest package my cable company provides only give 20mbps upload. I quite frequently get double that upload speed over cellular in my area. The only thing that keeps me from dropping my cable internet, and the last of the money that the cable company gets from me is the fact that tmobile is capped at 50GB of transfer per month, whereas i typically pull around 300GB per month over my cable.

  10. How much data you use? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much data do you use per month? Isn't the Cox data cap 300 GB, or 1 TB? The 50 GB for $10 is a rip off.

  11. Neglecting the CONTENT Issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look at the programming. Who want's 600 channels of Reality TV? Does anybody watch that stuff? It's crap.

    Look at Netflix, something like Luke Cage or Altered Carbon. I just can't find content like that on cable, even with premium channels. And then there's the cable box rentals. It's over $200/month, and my local cable company kept dropping the sound out, or the video out, during climatic scenes.

    At one point I realized I could drop cable, still have unlimited internet, and save enough money that I could BUY A NEW DVD every day of the month at a local store with change left over. Snip Snip. Goodby Cable. Goodby commercials & advertising. And good riddance!

    1. Re:Neglecting the CONTENT Issue. by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Reality TV is the real killer in this. That's what drove my parents off of it. They both liked scifi/fantasy/documentaries and then those channels went more and more reality TV. When they pulled the plug late last year, the 4 channels they used to watch in the US were wall-to-wall reality TV and the same here in Canada. Building them a plex server with whatever shows/movies they wanted loaded on it was a far cheaper choice.

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    2. Re:Neglecting the CONTENT Issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At one point I realized I could drop cable, still have unlimited internet, and save enough money that I could BUY A NEW DVD every day of the month at a local store with change left over. Snip Snip. Goodby Cable. Goodby commercials & advertising. And good riddance!

      Just pirate instead of buying DVDs. Far better for the environment.

    3. Re:Neglecting the CONTENT Issue. by Sumus+Semper+Una · · Score: 2

      There is a strange cycle in entertainment. I'm willing to bet it has a name, but if it does I don't know what it is. Anyway, the cycle goes like this:

      1) New style of delivering entertainment on an existing medium is devised.
      2) Style turns out to be very popular and profitable.
      3) Competing entertainment sources on the same medium gradually adopt the same style despite originally being from different market fragments.
      4) Style becomes so saturated in the market that it drives large segments of the market away from anything resembling that style.
      5) Market fragments into new categories of niche interest groups with the new style as just another category or sub-category.

      The same thing happened (and is sometimes still happening) with reality TV, freemium games, mini series, musicals, etc. The weird part is that it functions very much like a tragedy of the commons situation where everyone jumping on the hot new thing actually makes the hot new thing less hot, less new, and therefore less valuable. I don't think the cable channels meant for things to get this way with all the reality shows. It just sort of happened naturally from them chasing after whatever seemed most profitable and not noticing that other ways of watching TV were becoming bigger competitors because they weren't their traditional competitors (other cable channels).

    4. Re:Neglecting the CONTENT Issue. by mactari · · Score: 1

      Yeah, you save a ton of dough by picking subscriptions very precisely by what you want to watch rather than lazily accepting you need 600 channels of reality TV so that you "have something to watch".

      I did some figurin' about two years ago, and it looks like I still spend about $27 a month for sports and a few shows I particularly enjoy. And I feel like that's extravagant. ;^)

      Just depends on where you like to put your money, I suppose.

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  12. Just because somebody has it worse than you by rsilvergun · · Score: 0

    doesn't mean you have it any better. Your quality of life is an _objective_ thing. It's not subjective.

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    1. Re:Just because somebody has it worse than you by another_twilight · · Score: 1

      Just because someone has it worse than you, doesn't mean you have it any better

      Er, what? By definition it does. Literally, in the literal sense of 'literally'.

      Your quality of life is an _objective_ thing. It's not subjective.

      Did you mean that the other way around?

      Not your best post.

    2. Re:Just because somebody has it worse than you by yorgasor · · Score: 2

      Does your life improve the more people around you suffer? Your life isn't better than it was the more people around you suffer, and indeed, it puts you at higher risk of crime. Granted, you could be a sadistic person who enjoys watching other people suffer, in which case carry on and enjoy the show.

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    3. Re:Just because somebody has it worse than you by CodeHog · · Score: 1

      "a sadistic person who enjoys watching other people suffer" There's a word for that: schadenfreude.

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    4. Re:Just because somebody has it worse than you by another_twilight · · Score: 1

      Does your life improve the more people around you suffer?

      No, nor did I state that. Did you read the post that started this? It was comparative standards of living based on country.

      In a static comparison, if someone is worse than I am, then I am - by definition - better.
      If they become worse, relatively, then I am better, relatively.

      If they were the only ones that changed, then my life is unchanged, but my relationship to them has changed.

      There's no causal link, nor was it implied.

      you could be a sadistic person who enjoys watching other people suffer

      You are reading _way_ more into this than was there.

  13. Likely not the only reason by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 5, Informative

    When I look at my Satellite channel lineup ( full package* except premium channels. Eg: No HBO, Showtime, etc ) a rather large percentage of channels are of material I will never watch.

    Channels:

    In languages I don't speak.
    Religious channels.
    Home Shopping style channels.
    Infomercial channels.

    When I actually took the time to cull out all the crap I didn't want to see, I was left with maybe twenty channels in all. Maybe.

    So, perhaps the cord cutting isn't solely because of the price hike, rather the fact the typical user gets a really piss poor amount of content to watch and they have begun to question why they're spending so much on what is, in reality, so little.

    *I only have a dish because I get it at a crazy discount. If I was paying full price for the available content, I would not have it at all.

    1. Re:Likely not the only reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, perhaps the cord cutting isn't solely because of the price hike, rather the fact the typical user gets a really piss poor amount of content to watch and they have begun to question why they're spending so much on what is, in reality, so little.

      And this is exactly why I was originally motivated to buy a PVR when they came out -- because you could sift through the chaff and find the handful of things which didn't suck, and watch them when you wanted.

      Since I've gotten Netflix, I almost never use my cable and I'm just about to ditch it completely.

      Because my well-curated profile in Netflix will pretty much always have something I want to watch -- sometimes I have so many choices I'm not sure where to begin. It doesn't have every movie on the planet, but I'm not having to avoid commercials or try to find something worth watching.

      There's so much utter dreck on TV that it's just a waste to even have it.

      If it's a new blockbuster I'll buy it when it comes out on BluRay. Otherwise I'll just watch whatever catches my fancy on Netflix. And in her own TV room, my wife can watch her rom-coms all she wants.

      I just can't see the point in cable any more.

    2. Re:Likely not the only reason by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      I understand that the bundles nominally subsidize programming for everyone, but yeah... between Amazon Video and Netflix I have access to more content than I can watch, and it is all on demand and commercial free. I do buy The Expanse on Amazon Video since I enjoy it enough that I hope they keep making it, and I buy the Blu Rays for Venture Bros. The value for cable just isn't there anymore. There's no reason to pay to be able to catch the last third of an old movie edited for broadcast on a lazy afternoon.

    3. Re:Likely not the only reason by Bourdain · · Score: 1

      I think the expanse is all on prime now?

      but i suppose you were watching it before it was available that way

      definitely scratches the itch post BSG

    4. Re:Likely not the only reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's no reason to pay to be able to catch the last third of an old movie edited for broadcast on a lazy afternoon.

      Or for sports you'll never watch .. or crap like Wheel of Fortune .. or for religious programming .. or for the 'local' news from a place you don't live .. or infomercials .. or commercials in general .. or tedious talk shows .. or kid's programming .. or telethons .. or the nasty skanky housewives of wherever the fuck .. or cowboy movies.

      Most of what is on cable at any given time is complete shit.

      I just don't get the utility out of cable I get out of Netflix. I may not see Game of Thrones or whatever the hep cats are watching, but I don't care. I have a big enough trove to sift through that is far better than what I might find on cable at any given point in time.

      If I feel like a mindless action film, I've got dozens to choose from. If I want anime, I've got lots of that too (Netflix makes a lot of original anime). If I want sappy rom-coms, well, I have another entire profile for that.

      You're right, cable doesn't offer value for the money. My Netflix is a fraction of my cable, and I have used my cable so little there's no point in paying for it.

    5. Re:Likely not the only reason by antdude · · Score: 1

      How did you get the crazy discount?

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    6. Re:Likely not the only reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly why I cut out DishTV, 250 channels and I only watched maybe 10. Didn't want to support shopping channels, crap talk shows, etc.

      Now I watch what I want w/o commercials , when I want to. I can usually watch what sports I want to. Saved me over $100/month.

    7. Re:Likely not the only reason by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Religious channels are usually free to the cable company and are provided due to must-carry FCC rules (they're usually broadcast stations in your area.) Home Shopping and Infomercial channels pay to be part of your package, so they reduce the cost somewhat.

      That doesn't, of course, change the fact you're spending $60-80 a month for, ultimately, only a small handful of channels. Which is ludicrous.

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    8. Re:Likely not the only reason by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Previous seasons are, yes (so 1 and 2). I've been buying the current season (3, just started) each year in an effort to support the show monetarily. Kinda the same deal for why I buy Venture Bros, except I buy the Blu Rays there since it is one of the only shows I rewatch these days and who knows when things are likely to disappear off of streaming.

    9. Re:Likely not the only reason by AnotherBlackHat · · Score: 1

      The fixed cost is huge, but the marginal cost is nearly zero.

      Giving you just the 20 channels you maybe watch costs almost the same as giving you those 20 plus 80 channels of crap.
      In fact, they probably get paid to deliver the home shopping channels, so the cost of 20 might actually be higher than 20 plus 80.

    10. Re:Likely not the only reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Religious channels are usually free to the cable company and are provided due to must-carry FCC rules (they're usually broadcast stations in your area.) Home Shopping and Infomercial channels pay to be part of your package, so they reduce the cost somewhat.

      That doesn't, of course, change the fact you're spending $60-80 a month for, ultimately, only a small handful of channels. Which is ludicrous.

      B.S. none of the religious channels here on cable are available via broadcast. I suspect they pay the cable company to carry their brainwashing crap.

    11. Re:Likely not the only reason by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Same way you get one for XM. Tell them that you're looking to quit, and haggle down. It's normally $22/mo, I'm paying $9/mo for their 'all access' stuff. Been doing that for 5 years now, it's not that hard to do.

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    12. Re:Likely not the only reason by antdude · · Score: 1

      Ah. I wished this worked with other companies like Spectrum. :(

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    13. Re:Likely not the only reason by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Ah. I wished this worked with other companies like Spectrum. :(

      Yeah, they've always been jackasses. Try the direct retention dept, might have better luck.

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    14. Re:Likely not the only reason by antdude · · Score: 1

      It didn't work either for anyone. TWC worked though. Stupid Charter. I wished there were competitors in this rural area. :(

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    15. Re:Likely not the only reason by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      They hilariously tried to get me back when I switched to WOW by not even trying to beat the price I was getting from WOW... "oh, well that price doesn't include lots of fees, so the offer I'm giving you is..." /endcall

    16. Re:Likely not the only reason by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Stupid Charter. I wished there were competitors in this rural area. :(

      Know that feel. In FL I only had one choice for cable, and up here in Ontario, only had one choice for years.

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    17. Re:Likely not the only reason by Bourdain · · Score: 1

      goodness, I didn't know the season started - I like how I found out about it on slashdot

      thanks for letting me know :)

  14. Bundling. by jcr · · Score: 2

    The reason I'm not a cable TV subscriber is because those assholes won't just sell me what I want. I don't care about sportsball, I don't want a couple dozen shopping channels, and I don't want 90% of what's in their "packages". Just sell me the movie channels, my local network affiliates, and I'm pretty much done.

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    1. Re:Bundling. by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      I mostly agree... but why would you pay for cable if most of what you want is local network affiliates? You could redbox the movies for less than the cable bill and the local stuff is free with an antenna. .

    2. Re: Bundling. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They will sell you only what you want. They just donâ(TM)t give you a discount for it. All the shit you donâ(TM)t want to watch is included for free.

    3. Re:Bundling. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just sell me the movie channels, my local network affiliates, and I'm pretty much done.

      you can get that.

      the cheapest "basic cable" is just broadcast channels, public access (local and national, like cspan), and maybe one or more other channels (here, it includes out-of-market wgn). yes, you get the shopping channels, but those guys pay for carriage, you don't pay for them..

      that is the 'required' tier of programming (fcc rules requires this as to not 'shut out' local stations**) to be eligible to subscribe to movie channels like hbo and showtime.

      **which i think is fucking stupid, now that most stations have gone from 'must carry' to 'must pay' arrangements with the cable and satellite companies, who then in turn charge customers 'extra' on top of the package price for the forced-privilege of paying (twice. the 'basic' package + the bogus below-the-line 'broadcast fees') for what could be received (in most areas) over-the-air for free.

  15. I had a 3 way bundle by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    that gave me cable, Internet & phone for $100 bucks a month back then. Same bundle is around $250 now. So you nailed it on the head. You can keep your swampland. I'm sure you paid a lot for it.

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    1. Re: I had a 3 way bundle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back then cable TV premium package meant a handful of movie channels, a couple sports and news, etc.
      Now it gets you several dozen movie, a dozen sports or more, and Video On Demand. Back in 2000 people still paid Blockbuster to rent movies. And back then it was glorious standard def.

      Yes, prices have gone up. But cord cutting only saves you money if you only consume one or two services.

    2. Re: I had a 3 way bundle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is no way you're a real person

    3. Re: I had a 3 way bundle by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      Back then cable TV premium package meant a handful of movie channels, a couple sports and news, etc.
      Now it gets you several dozen movie, a dozen sports or more, and Video On Demand. Back in 2000 people still paid Blockbuster to rent movies. And back then it was glorious standard def.

      Yes, prices have gone up. But cord cutting only saves you money if you only consume one or two services.

      Why would VOD cost you more per month. VOD is a pay per view type service that should lower your monthly fee and most cable VOD that I've seen is more expensive that amazon, redbox, vudu, or any other VOD service. I'm amazed that they can get anyone to pay for their VOD service when there are so many cheaper alternatives. I definitely wouldn't want to pay extra each month for the privilege of overpriced VOD.

    4. Re: I had a 3 way bundle by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Yeah, renting a movie VOD is way more then Redbox, and more expensive then grabbing the same movie from Amazon usually.

      That said, Comcast has a very extensive library of "free" VOD selections, depending on what channels your subscription includes. When I had uverse, their HBO VOD selection was terrible, with comcast it looks like the whole catalog is there. It's basically identical to HBO GO.

      My box will also tell me if I tune into the middle of something and there is a VOD option. I can click a button and switch to the VOD so I can start from the beginning.

  16. It's very hard for old folks by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I sometimes talk about cord cutting with my elderly fixed income customers, but it's not a rewarding experience. They find the alternatives confusing, and I haven't figured out a good way to explain things to them. Even just clarifying that cancelling 'cable' is not the same thing as cancelling all services from their cable company involves more time than one would think. Then I find I have to start getting into:

    Bandwidth caps: "I like to have the tv on in the background 16 hours a day"
    Service confusion: "What channels do I watch? I don't know."
    Lack of a familiar interface: "How do I surf channels?"

    What usually breaks me is when they mention in passing that they have a "VIP" bundle. When I have to get into alternative voip services and devices on top of streaming services and devices, it's time for me to give up. At that point I've been clarifying stuff for fifteen minutes and have to help someone else google the right ink for their printer.

    1. Re:It's very hard for old folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Don't worry about it... they'll be dead soon.

    2. Re:It's very hard for old folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Old people seem to not be used to having so many products to choose from.

      It used to be just "telephone" and then that was upgraded and became just "cable" and then that "cable" was upgraded and it included this "Internet" thing. Still one product though.

      These people also use one financial institution for all their current account, savings, insurance needs and find it too complicated to use several providers at once or even switch providers. If Time Warner Cable offered those as part of their "comprehensive cable" package I'm sure they'd take it and not question it much.

      Hey... I think I got an idea: have the cable providers supply health insurance bundled with their packages. Watch level of coverage explode.

      Heh... make the cable company also be your employer and grocery store, and it's like Soviet Russia, but with corporations :)

    3. Re:It's very hard for old folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what the difference between those confused old folks and everybody else is? They're older than "everybody else". "Everybody else" is just as confused the elderly but do a better job of hiding the fact. Plus quite a few of the elderly understand and remember that paying for television service isn't a necessity.

    4. Re:It's very hard for old folks by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      This is a common problem for older people that means they don't have access to the best deals. For example, a lot of energy companies now offer discounts if you have an online-only account with no paper billing or phone contacts, but older people often can't get those due to lack of technical skills.

      Older people are often the ones who need these good deals the most too. Worse still, companies often see these older customers who rarely switch provider as cash cows.

      One proposed solution has been to force the suppliers to offer the lower prices to customers over a certain age even if they can't be online-only. Obviously other customers will subsidize this.

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    5. Re:It's very hard for old folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should we pay because these old people are too lazy to learn? I mean most of them are retired so they should have plenty of time on their hands to learn.

    6. Re:It's very hard for old folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The you aren't explaining it very well, possibly due to not being old yourself.

      Personally, I have a $15 OTA antenna. I get 6 main channels, each of which has at least 2 subchannels. Something like 20 channels.

      And an awful lot of the content is older stuff provided by syndication aggregators. It's like I was an adolescent in the 70's again, because it's the same shows.

      And zero ongoing cost. To answer your specifics:

      16 hours a day? Sure, put it on one of the syndication channels and off you go.
      What channels? Use the tuners auto-find.
      How do I surf? The remote has a channel up-down.

    7. Re:It's very hard for old folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I like to have the tv on in the background 16 hours a day"

      This is what just totally stops me in my tracks. When this happens, I know I'm talking to aliens on another planet. And the aliens are real: all I have to do is go over to my dad's house to see one.

      I have lots of advice and amazingly well-tuned (if I may say so, myself) strategies for dealing with TV, but they're all based on the idea that you have the TV play what you want to watch, and then when you have completed what you wanted to do, it stops making distracting images and noises (especially commercials, but really: anything). I was so overjoyed when I got my Tivo in 2000 because it meant I could watch TV easier and faster than I could with my VCR. What a great step up that was, and though I implement it differently now, in the end I'm still watching TV that basic way. Play the show I want, and then it ends and nothing happens until I click on what I want to watch next.

      But that's my use case.

      Old people (and yes, for some reason at least in my experience, is does seem to correlate with age) want a blaring nonstop noise machine that plays ads all day. I guess it's so that they have confirmation that time didn't just magically stop and the world isn't frozen.

      To me, this is an absolute horror and it literally makes me want to leave their house because it's so damned unpleasant. But it's what they want, and they're willing to pay a fuckton of money for it. I simply don't have advice for them, but I do know there are companies that are able to give them exactly what they want, so they don't need my advice anyway.

      I don't know how they can stand it.

    8. Re:It's very hard for old folks by Optic7 · · Score: 1

      Like an AC mentioned above, over the air TV is the answer to the issue of someone with a bandwidth cap who wants to watch 16 hours of TV a day. In fact OTA should be a major component of most cord cutting solutions, if it's available to you.

      Some over the air broadcast TV benefits (some are dependent on your location and/or type/location of antenna):

      - Unlimited free programming
      - All the major networks (ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, CW) usually in HD
      - Better picture quality than cable or satellite
      - A lot more channel options than one would expect. I get about 160
      - Some programming that you can't find elsewhere (many sub-channels, niche networks, foreign language channels, etc)
      - More and more channels are being introduced as people cut the cord

    9. Re:It's very hard for old folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah. This is a generational issue. The old timers will, generally, never switch because they are too comfortable with cable. After they pass on, however, the younger generations will take over and that's when the last nail in the cable provider's coffin will be struck. Good things take time.

    10. Re:It's very hard for old folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as an older person with technical skills, I understand why having online-only accounts is very dangerous. Good luck to you when you don't have an actual paper trail to prove something, or when your internet access is broken for some extended period of time.

      Or, other snafus: I had a nice experience with an energy company... I signed up for automatic deductions from my checking account. Worked fine, until I decided I wanted to cancel that "feature." They would not do it without my "password." But when I signed up, they had not required a password (just account verification), hence there was no password to give them. This had to go all the way to the CEO's office to get fixed. Fortunately, they were not total assholes. Good luck if you have a similar problem with a more assholic company.

    11. Re:It's very hard for old folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our utility company charges you to use autopay...not sure where you are getting these discounts from

    12. Re:It's very hard for old folks by rsborg · · Score: 1

      I've come to this with my parents (ie, old people) - I don't try to ask them to give up their cable but I work very hard to make sure they don't pay a dime more than they need to (ie,they leverage the "retention" discussion with Comcast regularly).

      My way to save parents money and stick it to Comcast at the same time.

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    13. Re:It's very hard for old folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say that again in 30 years, idiot.

  17. Get SlingTV by david999 · · Score: 0

    Get SlingTV. I pay $25 a month and get more programming then I had with Time Warner when I was paying $144
    Been cable free since March 2016 saving almost $2,000
    Buy a tv antenna and get many free channels. Check out http://www.tvguide.com/ and click on Whats On for what is available in your area.

  18. the same for cord cutters by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    I signed up for cable for an introductory $35/mo rising to $60/mo after a few months. That was about two years ago. When last I checked the internet only bill was $93/mo. It just goes up and up and they rely on you not checking.

    So I figured I would see if it was cheaper to switch back to DSL. I was a DSL customer before I got cable, it was enough for me and they are advertising higher speeds since I last looked. So I call the DSL company, explain that I'm a returning customer, give them my address and ask what speeds they can offer. Turns out they need your social security number to be bothered to even tell you if they offer service in your area.

    bastards

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    1. Re:the same for cord cutters by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Tip for negotiating the internet rate: the social media guys have more leeway than the phone guys for some reason. Way faster to talk to them to get the new customer rate than going over the phone.

  19. more to the story by damonlab · · Score: 2

    There is more to the story than the 74% cable/satellite TV price hikes. People in the US are seeing price hikes on everything else, especially so in the following categories: health care costs, housing costs, and student loan costs. Also, people are increasingly seeing that there are other options that are free or cheap: rabbit ear TV, Netflix, Hulu, etc.

  20. short-sighted by hene · · Score: 2

    So, short-sighted pursuit of profits is not a good strategy in the long term? Who knew!

  21. yes, and more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    in 2001 I got cable for $35 teaser price. A year later it went up to $45 or 50. Over the next 7 years in increase several times to around $90. During that period a lot of the shows I liked to watch were bumped up to higher tiers. In 2008 I moved. The old cable at $90 no longer had most of the shows I wanted to watch at the $90 tier. The new location started at $110 or something, and I bailed.
    I figure I only want to watch TV a limited number of hours a week. I don't find any shows an absolute "must watch." Some shows, Homeland, I get free at the library about 9 months late.
    Here is an idea: watching TV show has a barely recognized competition: NOT watching TV shows!
    When I cut the cord I realized that:
    1.free broadcast TV gave me more than enough TV to keep me busy
    2. books
    3. internet
    4. exercise, cooking, housecleaning, cat petting, ...
    Conclusion: I wish to thank the cable companies for helping me find that life exists outside of being a couch potato!

  22. Very little worth watching by smallmj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I cut the cable 4 years ago, a big part of it was that there was nothing that I wanted to watch. The speciality channels that used to have interesting content were full of reality garbage. The networks were full of dreary CSI spinoffs and knockoffs. I didn't subscribe to the premium channels because cable was already expensive enough. Overall, cable just wasn't worth the money. The only thing I watched was the weather, and even that had gone from detailed forecasting to dogs playing in the snow. I'm willing to pay for quality content, but it just wasn't there. But there's always something to watch on Netflix or Crunchyroll.

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    1. Re:Very little worth watching by houghi · · Score: 2

      Same here. When the cable company pulled yet another station from the analog and moved it to digital, I looked as to what I was actually watching. And I mean watching, not having the tv on. It came to about 5 hours per week of BB2.

      As that was a channel from another country, they moved that to digital as well. Even though they would gave me a digital thing for free, I decided that it was just not worth the money.

      In the past you could talk about what you saw the previous day. Now? Not so much. 500 things and 500 people who watch something differently. So even that aspect is gone.

      Most of my watching time I now spend on YouTube most of the time. Looking at things that interest me and sometimes not even that. The quality on Vimeo is often better, but it is much harder to find content.

      But now even YouTube becomes somebody where it is hard to find new content. The same things I have seen keep popping up, with some clickbait in between. Not much new stuff I might not even know I have an interest in. The google company wants to keep me in my bubble. I want to experience new things.

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    2. Re:Very little worth watching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So people are realizing that they've been living in A Vast Wasteland (look it up) and sometimes want something interesting or informative (seldom both). Cable doesn't supply that any more, partly due to their own actions, partly due to the dumbing-down of the content, and partly due to competition from the Internet. The broadcast (non-cable) market has gone the same way: with my antenna, I can get almost 50 "channels" (most are sub-channels of a main channel), but only 30 or so are actually wachable and maybe 10 are channels I might watch more than once.Luckily, with DTV, you can usually edit the channels you want to watch, so eventually it does whittle down to those 10 or so that might justify an occasional pause in channel surfing - harder to do that with cable (must fiddle with "favorites"), and you still have to pay for the whole package. So obviously when presented with internet-based options that allow more control over what's watched, people will go there.

      And I wouldn't worry about cable companies' profit due to cord-cutting. People are not actually cutting the cord; they're shifting to the ISP side of the operation which is quite profitable on its own as well as being part of, usually, a TV and/or phone bundle of some kind.

    3. Re:Very little worth watching by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      So, you say you have 13... errm, I mean, 1300 channels of shit on the TV to chose from?

    4. Re:Very little worth watching by nazrhyn · · Score: 1

      This thread is dead at this point, but I thought I'd respond to you in case you got any value from this.

      My viewing history is very similar to yours, with my current viewing being mostly on YouTube. The content I used to watch as a kid on PBS, Discovery and TLC is now on YouTube. Over the years, I've built up a pretty extensive list of subscriptions that provide me with as much or more than I want to watch every day.

      I use an Amazon FireTV (unlike some people, I have to have a physical remote control when I'm on the couch; I don't want to have to pick up my phone and screw with that to play, pause and choose the next thing to watch) and the Firefox browser at https://youtube.com/tv (somehow I didn't even know this existed until recently, but IMO it's a quite-functional, purpose-built interface) to scroll through the newest videos from my subscriptions. I make sure I subscribe to stuff I'm interested in. Every so often, I'll go back to the Recommended list and check out videos there. What I have found is that if I feed the system, it really does consistently: (a) provide me new content that is consistent with what I'm interested in and have been watching; (b) provide me with different content that actually has led me in new directions that are horizontally relevant to my interests; and, (c) follow short-term whims in watching that shift and turn much more quickly than long term patterns.

      Anyhow, I'm not sure if any of this is useful to you; if anyone else reads this and finds it useful, then: hello, there! You're welcome.

    5. Re:Very little worth watching by houghi · · Score: 1

      I use RSS feed to viuew. An yes, I do see a lot that might interest me when I look at the Recommended list. About half of that would be from the people I subscribed to. That means I have already seen it or are about to see it.

      THen when I search for new content, I get again one of the around 200 channels I was subscribed to or things I have unsubscribed from for a reason and things I have already seen.

      If I want to look at things I have never searched for (e.g. keeping chicken or whatever) to broaden my horizon, I either get things I have already seen, things I might be interested in (No, I am not) or clickbait. That with the obvious pushed content I have no interest in.

      The problem starts with the fact that they have only a few categories and no sub categories. It is like listening to a Rock station and miss out on all the good music you never knew existed.

      I generally hate it when people assume they know what is good for me.It is not better if it is a lousy algorithm that sells me as the product.

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  23. price is the reason? by sad_ · · Score: 2

    for me price had hardly anything to do with the reason i don't have cable tv anymore.

    1. there is nothing interesting on, reality rubbish, reruns after reruns of old stuff, soaps, idol contest type of things.
    2. ads at the beginning, in the middle & at the end and then ads between the ads, and ads about ads... horrible, just like browsing the web without an adblocker.

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    1. Re:price is the reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if the average American watches 4hours of television per day and 15mins are commercials, on average they spend 365 hours a year watching ads. 365 hours is more than enough time to earn an Associate of Arts degree.

    2. Re:price is the reason? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who watches commercials. Commercials are when you go the bathroom, get another beer, make a sandwich, surf the web on you tablet, check social media.
      Do you men there are people who actually watch those things?

  24. Some can't get OK antenna reception by tepples · · Score: 1

    why would you pay for cable if most of what you want is local network affiliates?

    If jcr is anything like one of my co-workers, they tried an antenna but could not receive a steady signal due to distance or obstructions.

    You could redbox the movies for less than the cable bill

    Redbox (new releases) is not a substitute for, say, TCM (curated older motion pictures).

  25. Price is not the only factor in cord cutting by kgroombr · · Score: 1

    I find more people, like myself, are cutting the cord because of cost, but it isn't only the cost. It paying high prices for 200 channels of garbage to get the five channels that we only watch.

  26. Not About Price by nealric · · Score: 2

    It's not about price. The whole idea of watching a "channel" that streams some content only at a specific time that someone else chooses makes no sense to me when there are other options. Yes, you can do DVR, but that's just a crutch and you are SOL if your DVR wasn't set up for whatever specific content you want to watch. Cable is starting to offer more "on-demand" content, but the interface and breath is still usually a tiny fraction of what the major streaming services do.

    At the end of the day, cable TV is just a lousy user experience compared to streaming. This is especially the case for people who only watch TV intentionally- not just to have something on in the background.

    1. Re:Not About Price by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      My children are hilariously unprepared for TV when we're traveling or visiting their grandparents. The concept of stations and limited choice, and not being able to choose among different episodes of the same show really grate them. They loathe the commercials and tune them out so effectively that they don't even register the candy ones, and they love candy! Even if they're watching PBS broadcast they complain about the interstitials for the other PBS shows.

  27. Open letter to cable TV providers by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 2

    Dear cable TV providers: First and foremost, a big middle finger to you all, for you have shown that you are nothing but a bunch of abusive dicks. Second, you haven't got a single dime from me for over ten years now, and I am pretty sure that I have convinced quite a few people in the interim to stop giving any money to you. Third, if you want to ever get any money for me, allow me to select exactly what it is that I want to pay to watch. I might end up paying as much, or maybe even more, but that would be my decision, not yours. Fifth, stop insulting my intelligence by averring that packages are necessary to subsidize minority channels - nobody believes that your pseudo-altruistic claims. Sixth, please stick those said packages you know where. Thank you for your time.

  28. Devil's advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My guess is that the vendors probably are ripping off the customers, but there is a phenomenon that could explain this without the malicious intent. Economies of scale.

    It may be the case that it's becoming more expensive because fewer people are buying in, creating a feedback loop. Less people buy in, cost goes up. Less people buy in, cost goes up. If you have 100 million households with TV service, you can price things very differently than if you've got 10 million households with TV service. Part of it is costs but it's also value-adds and things like that. Advertising also affects those numbers too, I think. Maybe customers are footing more of the bill now because advertisers have less interest because the audience isn't as there as it was 20 years ago.

  29. Price Hikes? by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

    Oh yes, I see the logic, we have a bloated overpriced service that so many people don't want because they seek their entertainment in a fashion they have more control over. We have a network we can also sell , but make less profit on then the service. So logically we are going to expand the offerings of the service and require people to pay more for it. Or better yet, we will charge less for cable and internet bundled together then for internet stand alone.

    How about, ask people what they want, and sell it to them at a prices that competes with their other options, rather then trying every kind of mind game possible to squeeze every last penny from the consumer.

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  30. idea for slashdot poll . by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

    Do you have cable?
    Do you watch cable only on demand?
    Would you pay for cable if it didn't make your internet cheaper?

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    1. Re:idea for slashdot poll . by 4pins · · Score: 1

      This looks fun, let me play

      Do you have cable?

      Yes.

      Do you watch cable only on demand?

      No, but mostly yes.

      Would you pay for cable if it didn't make your internet cheaper?

      Short Answer: No.

      Long Answer: That is not the way I look at it. I pay for internet and literally they throw in cable for free. The only exception is a small cable box rental fee (which we keep to only one box).

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    2. Re:idea for slashdot poll . by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

      exactly my point, even of 'the people who have cable' many of them are not actually buying cable they are buying internet. So it makes no sense the 'cable' prices are going up.

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  31. Biggest "DUH!" of all time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they are just now figuring this out, it explains a lot.

  32. ignorant idot much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hogwash. This is the first time I've ever read anyone likening "free market" to a "properly regulated market".

    Your blatant ignorance does not mean that someone else is wrong, WOW are you stupid

  33. Who is really at fault for this? by SisterFister · · Score: 0

    Lets get some things straight here. I spent many years working for a tv provider and have a lot of insight to how all of this works. Typically people are pointing fingers in the wrong direction.

    TV networks are not giving free broadcast to providers, that shit is really expensive. The profit margin for tv providers is at an all time low on a per customer basis. Yes they can still have increased profits but this is from adding in new customers in mass and often other services (internet, phone, streaming etc).

    These price increases are due to the networks jacking up their rates every 2-3 years when they have to renegotiate their contract with the provider. What option does the provider have, not pay and lose the channels? Then no one would subscribe. These price hikes we're talking about here are not 5% more than what was paid two years ago, most networks are looking in the range of 50% increases yet they provide the same content and typically more commercials. They don't just request more money but often other absurd requests. There is a particular sport network in California that has a hard time making deals with providers but is highly sought after. The problem with coming to a deal with them is that they are demanding that every single customer that provider has, needs to be paying for their station. Did you pick a package that has no sports because you don't like them? Sorry you have to pay for this one because they are dicks.

    The worst offender here is local tv networks that broadcast over the air. They are the worst by far and have a lot of leverage due to things like the 1992 Cable Act that forces providers to have no choice in which local channels a customer receives. Do you live closer to major city A? Well the FCC has put you into the local channel market for major city B even though its 3x the distance from you, sorry about your luck. You can open a claim with the FCC and if there are enough complaints something may happen in the distant future. But because there is no choice for providers, local networks can hold their programming hostage. Their typical price increase every few years is 400% and when there are over 100 local channel markets across the country this adds up real fast when most markets have a dozen or more channels.

    Last thing I want to point out here since I saw someone complaining about it is the religious and shopping channels. Their sole purpose is to make money from their broadcast, you are not paying for them unless you are buying from them or 'donating'. They actually pay tv providers for their air space and in turn help offset the cost of the shitty things other networks are doing.

    Is this a shitty situation? Yep. Should we be mad about it? Absolutely, but lets make sure we're angry at the people that are actually responsible for it.

  34. Oh, you don't like our prices? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Guess you should switch to another cable company... Oh, wait... we're it, aren't we?

    *Rips open nipple flaps*

    That's too bad! Guess you'll have to deal with our prices, then.

  35. If you can afford it... by reanjr · · Score: 1

    I've dropped my wired Internet with the local AT&T monopoly and switched entirely to mobile Internet. It's expensive as fuck, but at least my dollars are no longer propping up the monopolistic cable/DSL/fiber regimes. And it keeps getting cheaper. By the time 5g hits, we'll all be able to do the same thing and we can finally bury the corpses of Comcast et al.

  36. Its not the rate hikes! by Contract+Gypsy · · Score: 0

    78% over 18 years isn't too far off the inflation rate (okay, maybe). We hacked the cord for one reason, it wasn't the cable companies fault, it was the TV shows they were showing. Comedy shows are not comedy if all they are doing it tossing insults of the day. The series don't seem to have a plot whatsoever, it just seems to be Kardashian behavior. I know, I'm a touch dated... I can design logic gates with tubes, but give me a break, no mystery shows other than who fucked Tina, how many times, and who else did her? Bring back Road Runner... Wyle coyote is my mentor!

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  37. Price hike? Heck, I don't want it for free... by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    My ISP accidentally left cable TV coming to my house. I connected a TV to it to see and there it was, something like 80 channels. Then I disconnected it as I don't want that commercially ridden crap.

    So, with "customers" like me, what the heck future does cable TV have, probably a terrible one as not only will the "me's" leave, but I suspect that TV will migrate more and more of its content to complete dumbasses which will drive more people away, not just not appeal to them, but people with half a brain won't want their kids or themselves exposed to endless breathless reporting on the Kardashians and the thoughts of Chairman Kanye West.

    "Ow My Balls"