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Human Race Just 0.01% of All Life But Has Destroyed 83% of Wild Mammals, Study Finds (theguardian.com)

An assessment of all life on Earth has revealed humanity's surprisingly tiny part in it as well as our disproportionate impact. From a report: The world's 7.6 billion people represent just 0.01% of all living things, according to the study. Yet since the dawn of civilisation, humanity has caused the loss of 83% of all wild mammals and half of plants, while livestock kept by humans abounds. The new work is the first comprehensive estimate of the weight of every class of living creature and overturns some long-held assumptions. Bacteria are indeed a major life form -- 13% of everything -- but plants overshadow everything, representing 82% of all living matter. All other creatures, from insects to fungi, to fish and animals, make up just 5% of the world's biomass.

Another surprise is that the teeming life revealed in the oceans by the recent BBC television series Blue Planet II turns out to represent just 1% of all biomass. The vast majority of life is land-based and a large chunk -- an eighth -- is bacteria buried deep below the surface. "I was shocked to find there wasn't already a comprehensive, holistic estimate of all the different components of biomass," said Prof Ron Milo, at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Israel, who led the work, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

192 comments

  1. maga! but wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Big macs and cokes are less destructive than vegetarian diets. Who knew?

  2. We are a plague. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And all plagues burn themselves out.

    Unfortunately, taking innocents with them.

    1. Re:We are a plague. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Except the plague learned on how to keep itself functioning.

      a couple Hundred years ago, a City couldn't support itself with over a million people. There will be a some incident that will kill them off back to a safe number. But now we know what kills us, and the City of million people can now distribute support from hundreds or thousands of miles a away. And ship away the stuff that would kill us to some isolated area.

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    2. Re:We are a plague. by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There are no innocents without a concept of morality. They can resume eating each other alive without any concept of innocence or guilt without disturbance by man at some point, until that time we are the apex predator.

      We generally treat our cattle nicer than do the lesser predators.

    3. Re:We are a plague. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I think in newspeak that's called "collateral damage".

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  3. Re:Libtards = fags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With pleasure! slurpslurpslurpslurpSLURPSLURPSLURP

  4. This will bite us in the end by your_mother_sews_soc · · Score: 1, Funny

    If AI ever gets as powerful and unchecked as some visionaries predict then this little tidbit may be our undoing. It needs to be fully researched and documented and not just tossed out there as fact. I sure wish Asimov were still alive to enforce the 3 (4?) laws.

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    1. Re:This will bite us in the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asimov would be brushed aside as a "wacko" like RMS and anybody else who attempts to push human rights over the rights of algorithms, etc;

    2. Re:This will bite us in the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AI fucked my wife! It's already too powerful and unchecked! It also has an entirely smug attitude!

    3. Re:This will bite us in the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A DC motor and an off axis weight is AI now?

    4. Re:This will bite us in the end by Zorpheus · · Score: 1

      Visionaries such as James Cameron, who wrote the Terminator movie script?

    5. Re:This will bite us in the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AI doesn't exist. Everybody who claims it does, doesn't understand what it is.

    6. Re:This will bite us in the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AI fucked my wife! It's already too powerful and unchecked! It also has an entirely smug attitude!

      So does your wife.

    7. Re:This will bite us in the end by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has bluetooth!

    8. Re:This will bite us in the end by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      I sure wish Asimov were still alive to enforce the 3 (4?) laws.

      Another one that doesn't understand them.

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  5. Lumping all bacteria together by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Is a bit like lumping all vertebrates and invertebrates together. Bacteria is a pretty broad category.

    As a human I would like to suggest that we spread the blame to our cousins: the jawed fish, cephalopods, and the mammal order of Rodentia (Rodents). We could possibly include all Eukaryotes because I think mushrooms and trees had a hand in this situation as well.

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  6. Lets convert Meters to Galons. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    Humans are cause of most extinctions of the modern times. I get that. But comparing our biomass as a percentage to the percent of Mammals and Plants (with a much bigger percentage number) isn't really telling us anything, because the units are off. But the problem when we exaggerate our problems, it doesn't make people who are not likely to do anything change their minds. They will disbelieve it, because they are (intentionally) being confused by the numbers so they just won't trust the source. Or just express the fact that we have gone too far anyways and give up.

    We don't like being told that we are bad people. Because in our mind, we are not. We may not like the things we do, but it out of necessity not because we are trying to be evil.

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    1. Re:Lets convert Meters to Galons. by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

      Well it's either "leftie" science or "rightie"religious dogma... your choice.

    2. Re:Lets convert Meters to Galons. by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Real science doesn't come with a political agenda.

      Politics is as distinct from science as religion is. People with an agenda are just abusing statistics.

      Continue these delusions of yours at your peril.

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    3. Re:Lets convert Meters to Galons. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Political Science is a *REAL* branch of science and more important any other other one! =)

    4. Re:Lets convert Meters to Galons. by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      Real science doesn't come with a political agenda.

      Politics is as distinct from science as religion is. People with an agenda are just abusing statistics.

      Continue these delusions of yours at your peril.

      Rudyard Kipling recognized the dangers of these political/ideological trends back in 1919 and tried to warn us.

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      AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
      I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
      Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
      And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

      We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
      That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
      But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
      So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

      We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
      Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
      But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
      That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

      With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
      They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
      They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
      So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

      When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
      They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
      But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
      And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "Stick to the Devil you know."

      On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
      (Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
      Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
      And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "The Wages of Sin is Death."

      In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
      By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
      But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
      And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."

      Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
      And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
      That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
      And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

      As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
      There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
      That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,

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    5. Re:Lets convert Meters to Galons. by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      Well it's either "leftie" science or "rightie"religious dogma... your choice.

      Yep, only two extremes with nothing in the middle. Anyone who even casually read the description could see that there was an agenda since different metrics were being used to make the comparison more extreme.

    6. Re:Lets convert Meters to Galons. by mcl630 · · Score: 1

      We don't like being told that we are bad people. Because in our mind, we are not. We may not like the things we do, but it out of necessity not because we are trying to be evil.

      Who is telling you you are bad people? TFA does not contain the word "bad" even once.

    7. Re:Lets convert Meters to Galons. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Well it's either "leftie" science or "rightie"religious dogma... your choice.

      The only good lefty science is climatology. The other sciences might lead to vaccines or genetic engineering or building telescopes in Hawaii.

    8. Re:Lets convert Meters to Galons. by slew · · Score: 0

      Rudyard Kipling, the guy that invoked the "white-man's burden" as an ongoing theme in his poetry...
      Yeah, we should definitely worship everything he has ever written... ;^)

    9. Re:Lets convert Meters to Galons. by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Politics is as distinct from science as religion is.

      Back in the real world, religious people pursue anti-science political agendas vigorously every day. Religion, politics and science ought to be distinct but unfortunately they cannot be as long as certain forms of religion persist which make faith-based scientific assertions (on creation, medicine, etc) and as long as special interests attempt to politically sabotage science for personal profit (a game nearly every large industry with damaging effects has played).

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    10. Re:Lets convert Meters to Galons. by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

      I know you're trying to shut all facts out of your mind in favor of vapid political progranda, but anti-vaxxers are no more likely to be liberal than conservative (http://theconversation.com/anti-vaccination-beliefs-dont-follow-the-usual-political-polarization-81001) and the NIMBY natives in Hawaii are of course neither a liberal group nor supported by the vast majority of liberals.

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    11. Re: Lets convert Meters to Galons. by raind · · Score: 1

      Well thereâ€(TM)s always the option of save The planet kill yourself. Not that I recommended that. I think were here to evolve. For better or worse

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    12. Re:Lets convert Meters to Galons. by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      Rudyard Kipling, the guy that invoked the "white-man's burden" as an ongoing theme in his poetry...
      Yeah, we should definitely worship everything he has ever written... ;^)

      Beautiful strawman you've built, there. I made no claims about "worshiping" anything.

      But I suppose if you can't put together a coherent opposing argument you don't have many options if you're triggered.

      Strat

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    13. Re:Lets convert Meters to Galons. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Political Science when done correctly doesn't have an agenda. It is about measuring the effect of a political action(s).
       

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    14. Re:Lets convert Meters to Galons. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Either political spectrum of people will use or misuse science or dogma, to try to fit their view on the world.

      In general "The leftie" will support science that shows there is a problem, and reject science that shows something is safe.
      The "rightie" will support the science showing that something is safe, while rejecting science that shows something is dangerous.

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    15. Re:Lets convert Meters to Galons. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You identified the problem correctly. The choice is shooting or hanging, but simply "fuck you, neither" has been eliminated as an option.

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    16. Re:Lets convert Meters to Galons. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of kilt does real science like?

  7. sansationalist statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is true that human activity has contributed to or directly caused extinction of a lot of species but presenting statistics in the way title describes it is wrong because it compares two different sets. Here is even better one: meteor which was only 0.00000000001 of Earth's mass caused extinction of 100% of dinosaurs.

    1. Re:sansationalist statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not 100%.

      A few dozen species are still here, such as turtles.

      And mosquitos -.-

    2. Re:sansationalist statistics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ergo there is no god.

    3. Re:sansationalist statistics by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      And birds

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  8. Re:Libtards = fags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we are animals too

  9. I kill a moose a year to feed my family. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And many animals feast off my land, including the carrots I plant along with 32 other vegetables.

    1. Re:I kill a moose a year to feed my family. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      How much of that Moose do you use to feed your family. What do you do with the rest? I think the biggest problem isn't that we hunt and eat animals, but the fact we let so much food go to waste. Often just because of cultural norms.

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    2. Re:I kill a moose a year to feed my family. by Oligonicella · · Score: 5, Informative

      How much of that Moose do you use to feed your family.(?)

      If it's like with deer around here, almost all of it. Steaks, burger and sausage. Bones and offal for the dogs. Hide sold for leather and antlers have various uses. Not much left.

      Don't project your cultural norms onto others.

    3. Re:I kill a moose a year to feed my family. by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      If you don't clean the guts out of a kill, pretty much immediately, much of the meat will be ruined and go to waste. Dropped in the woods the guts are scavenger food, not wasted.

      You don't hunt, do you?

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    4. Re:I kill a moose a year to feed my family. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Yes, but this could be considered self-defense, since otherwise, the moose might have bit your sister.

      And many animals feast off my land, including the carrots I plant along with 32 other vegetables.

      Yeah, but you don't eat the carrots and other vegetables into extinction . . . nor the moose. Because you want to plant the vegetables next year, and you need another moose to hunt next year.

      FTFS:

      while livestock kept by humans abounds.

      We clearly tweeted to all animals: "Resistance is futile! You will be assimilated (domesticated)!" Chickens and cows got the message and are doing fine. We still try to sustain animals that tastes good, but refuse to be domesticated, like tuna and moose.

      Something that doesn't taste good and doesn't let itself be domesticated, like penguins and dolphins, don't have a bright future. We just keep them around, because they are cute. But if things get tough in the world, they will be seen as competition for the fish humans need.

      Oh, and as a side note . . . the Russians DID try to domesticate moose. They even wanted to form a "Moose Cavalry". But, alas, without much success.

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    5. Re:I kill a moose a year to feed my family. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Bones and offal for the dogs.

      Well, if you were really brave, daring and unafraid . . . and very, very, very hungry . . . you could try to make chitlins from the offal.

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    6. Re:I kill a moose a year to feed my family. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's your point?

    7. Re:I kill a moose a year to feed my family. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tip 1: When gutting a moose you best keep your head on swivel on the look out for the hungry bear sneaking up behind you. Believe me it is quite a sphincter puckering moment
      Tip 2: When gutting a moose make sure your weapons are always within reach.
      Tip 3: Always plan some escape routes in case running is the only option left and hope the bear is more interested in the moose than running after you.

    8. Re:I kill a moose a year to feed my family. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Tip 4: Always take an overweight, slow running, friend into bear country with you.

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    9. Re:I kill a moose a year to feed my family. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Aka "You needn't run faster than the lion, only faster than one of your teammates".

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  10. So that means by krray · · Score: 1

    So that means that I can eat and/or kill 99.98% of the non-humans around me? Cool.

  11. Evolution is a bitch.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seem to me that evolution is just doing it's thing and humans are just driving it faster. Species that where ill adaptable are dying out, So?

    Where I get that a bit of bio diversity is a good thing, I'm not so sure it's everything and that Man has the ability to actually spit in evolution's eye and get away with it. For very long anyway. The Sun will eventually erase EVERY living thing from this planet anyway.

    So Evolution is a bitch, then you die, even if you are the last thing alive.

  12. Well...Aren't we a bunch of by mandark1967 · · Score: 1

    overachievers.

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    1. Re:Well...Aren't we a bunch of by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      We're Number One!! We're Number One!!

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    2. Re:Well...Aren't we a bunch of by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So why try harder?

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  13. There's a a great Yo Mamma joke in there... by ausekilis · · Score: 1

    I'm sure one is in there, I'm just not funny enough to say it.

  14. humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    are we just quantifying random stuff and telling the world about it?

    0.01% of life by weight is currently humans, but we've killed 83% of mammal species... by species count? individuals?
    what percentage of mammal species does humanity account for? by weight or by head count?
    what about other groups? insects? viruses? reptiles? haven't we hunted any fish into the same category as the dodo?

    how many species did t-rex hunt to extinction? what counts as a species?

    seriously. get your s*** together, researchers. get it all together in one place.

  15. What the fuck is "human race"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you referring to the human SPECIES? There's not one race, you stupid fucking pieces of shit.

  16. Of course we have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They were delicious.

    1. Re:Of course we have by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      They were delicious.

      Indeed! Here's to A1 Steak Sauce!

    2. Re:Of course we have by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Well, some where, maybe most I've tried are however.... I've had a few that where not.... I can do without octopus, venison and green beans my self..

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    3. Re:Of course we have by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      You just haven't had them cooked right.

      Smoked spicy baby octopus taste almost baconey if done right.

      The other two are excellent when cooked with bacon. Venison and green beans both need fat.

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    4. Re:Of course we have by bobbied · · Score: 1

      You might be right.. But I'll suffer though all sorts of stuff to get to bacon, so I'm not sure it's a good test.

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  17. BUT... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God put us here to use up all the resources. He will come get the faithful when the resources dry up, right? right? Anyways, mans impact on the earth is all a Chinese hoax anyways...thats what dear leader says.

    Sad.

  18. Re: Libtards = fags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A fun topic to discuss with militant vegans is what they expect is going to happen to animal populations in their meat free utopia. The realist in me sees that likely animal numbers would reduce and some currently unthreatened species would begin to struggle. Conserving wildlife is important especially while our knowledge of DNA and genomes is so immature. Good husbandry is going to produce better results than vegan idealougues. Cage farming of chickens and pig farrowing pens however are disgusting. For this reason I buy free range and raise my own chickens. On 261 square metres of land I have 3 chickens and about 30 species of plant. When you have limited space you certainly want those things to be edible/productive. I've noticed an increase in other birds, which while mostly common shows that my property supports more life than most inner city plots. It's not like you can just start caring for endangered animals anyway.

    The major problem are the religious conservatives who believe they need to destroy as much of the world as possible before the coming apocalypse.

  19. You're next, plants. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nm

  20. Daily anxiety injection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's bad for ya.

    - Carlin

  21. We are all 1%ers by asylumx · · Score: 1

    I guess that means we are all 1%ers, so much for Occupy!

    1. Re:We are all 1%ers by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      On average, sure. Individually, you probably still use more resources to flush your toilet than the average Namibian family for their living.

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  22. Success? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our success is a failure.

  23. It's SUPPOSED to work this way... by moehoward · · Score: 1

    We evolved this way naturally. We didn't force ourselves to evolve to become the dominant creature, by far. But, it was BOUND to happen at some point over billions of years.

    I feel zero guilt about this. I'm not SUPPOSED to!

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    1. Re:It's SUPPOSED to work this way... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Just wait.. The Sun will cook everything to cinders eventually. G-Type Main Sequence stars eventually expand to be quite large before fusion stops. We have an estimated 5 Billion years left.

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    2. Re:It's SUPPOSED to work this way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should you feel guilt?

      It makes me a little sad, but I'll continue eating meat and wearing leather shoes.

    3. Re:It's SUPPOSED to work this way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wait.. The Sun will cook everything to cinders eventually. G-Type Main Sequence stars eventually expand to be quite large before fusion stops. We have an estimated 5 Billion years left.

      It would be great if we had. Unfortunately, things [increased solar activity] are going to get pretty dire in only 500M years.

    4. Re:It's SUPPOSED to work this way... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have an estimated 5 Billion years left.

      I guess I better get working on that bucket list...

  24. Re:Libtards = fags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we're pretty tasty too...like bacon!

  25. A logical intelligence would nuke us by vegabook · · Score: 1

    Even if it doesn't come from AI, surely humans themselves will soon realise that there are too many of us around. Cue reversal of the whole "love one another thing" to the exact opposite - exterminate one another to survive.

    1. Re:A logical intelligence would nuke us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if it doesn't come from AI, surely humans themselves will soon realise that there are too many of us around. Cue reversal of the whole "love one another thing" to the exact opposite - exterminate one another to survive.

      Thanos sympathizer detected.

    2. Re:A logical intelligence would nuke us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gotta admit, Thanos does have a point. It comes off crazy because no one wants to admit that we're overpopulated to the extreme, and still working at "going forth and mutiplying" so it's only going to get worse.

      Something will have to give eventually.

  26. Cancer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cancer. Just a few percent of all living cells, but eventually kills the entire organism, including itself.

  27. Yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So... we're winning???

  28. We're great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    U S A !
    U S A !

  29. Why this happens: Myopia by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Oh hey there's millions of {insert tasty game animal here}, we can just hunt them forever!

    ..and:

    This {plant name here} is just some shitty weed, we'll burn it all and turn this into {farm land || a factory || a housing tract || cattle grazing land}
    (then 50 years later they find out that 'weed' has/had near-magical medicinal properties)

    ..and, of course:

    Why the fuck should I care about {animal name} or {plant name}, I can't make assloads of money from that! Get rid of it and build the {capitalist venture} there!

    So, to summarize:
    o Short-sightedness induced ignorance
    o Base greed

    Any questions? Or have I adequately covered it?

  30. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by bobbied · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lies, damnable lies, and Statistics...

    Most of this stuff global destruction environmental science PR is pretty contrived anyway. They have a tendency to over do the emotionally fabrication and wording when trying to make their point. It generally ends up with "we are all going to die!" or there abouts...

    Problem though is when you do this, eventually you run out of space for the hype or dire consequences and your support wanes. It's sort of like taking drugs, where once a little was enough to get high, it starts taking more and more. Eventually you cannot take more because it will kill you or there simply isn't any more to take. Same with environmental emergency madness. Once you get to "we are all going to die!" there simply isn't much more you can use that's worse....

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  31. Meaningless numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So those numbers are cherry-picked and meaningless. 0.01% of all life. That number should include everything classified as alive (meaning even bacteria but not viruses). But then it jumps to percentage of mammals. Yeah, those other mammals better figure out this is a competition. And we are winning!

  32. Thanos had a point by imperious_rex · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He may be a nihilistic Malthusian, but Thanos had a valid point. If one could eliminate 50% of sentient life from a world, the long term benefits would outweigh the immediate negatives. This is already based on historical precedence. After the Black Plague wiped out over 1/3 of Europe's population, the continent experienced a rebirth that became the Renaissance, the church lost much of its power, the continent's economic power strength improved, and the age of the Enlightenment came about which brought new artistic, scientific, and political thinking. One has to wonder what the long term impact would be from reducing the Earth's current human population from 7.6 billion to 3.8 billion (approximately 1970's world population).

    1. Re:Thanos had a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      His problem was that he wanted to kill randomly. That's the flaw in his plan. The plague probably killed more sick and elderly first. That's a huge difference in outcome. Don't misunderstand. I'm not for killing the sick and elderly. But the outcome of doing that would not likely be the same as indiscriminate killing.

    2. Re:Thanos had a point by PPH · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We don't have to kill randomly. In fact, we can leave it up to each group to select those that shall die.

      We, in the West, will not kill so many. We will invite them across our borders because the economy in their country is somewhat worse off than ours. Meanwhile, when ocean levels rise and farmers in Bangladesh are forced inland 20 miles to escape flooding, their neighbors will slaughter them. Problem solved.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
    3. Re:Thanos had a point by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      He may be a nihilistic Malthusian, but Thanos had a valid point. If one could eliminate 50% of sentient life from a world, the long term benefits would outweigh the immediate negatives. This is already based on historical precedence. After the Black Plague wiped out over 1/3 of Europe's population, the continent experienced a rebirth that became the Renaissance, the church lost much of its power, the continent's economic power strength improved, and the age of the Enlightenment came about which brought new artistic, scientific, and political thinking. One has to wonder what the long term impact would be from reducing the Earth's current human population from 7.6 billion to 3.8 billion (approximately 1970's world population).

      So you want to set everything back a couple of generations. In truth if you want to reduce the population instead of going on a global killing spree you could instead focus on bringing economic development to the developing world. Europe, Japan, Korea, and even the US all are doing their part in reducing population vie reduced birth rates. There is an extremely strong link between developing and birth rates.

    4. Re:Thanos had a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rebirth that became the Renaissance, the church lost much of its power, the continent's economic power strength improved, and the age of the Enlightenment came about which brought new artistic, scientific, and political thinking

      Black Plague still raised it's ugly head occasionally during the Renaissance. The church still influenced and started wars during the next 300 years, though. The colonization, travel, trade and improved technology might as well caused the economic improvement. The Enlightenment and the related rediscovery of values like equality among people could be seen raising from the scientific ideas of Newton and co., for example.

      The link between population reduction and economic welfare is questionable, assuming the carrying capacity of the planet is not exceeded and the capacity is not expanded with technology as needed. But now we have machines, and a robot workforce of the future could keep us fed even after a catastrophic calamity.

    5. Re:Thanos had a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Europe, Japan, Korea, and even the US all are doing their part in reducing population vie reduced birth rates. There is an extremely strong link between developing and birth rates.

      Bringing the "work yourself to death, don't have any fun, cant afford to have a family till you are 35, cant afford to spend time with your family assuming you are still fertile" culture to the developing world isn't a mercy or moral.

      Eventually that culture and the people within it will effectively die off and all that will be left is the culture of ignoring education, career success, valuing off-time and enjoying the activity of making six kids.

    6. Re:Thanos had a point by imperious_rex · · Score: 1

      Eventually that culture and the people within it will effectively die off and all that will be left is the culture of ignoring education, career success, valuing off-time and enjoying the activity of making six kids.

      So Idiocracy is inevitable?

    7. Re:Thanos had a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not saying I agree with killing half of all people, but just to address your point - if random 50% are killed, then sick and elderly will soon follow anyway because there will be less human resources to take care of them ... They will be the first casualties after the event.

    8. Re: Thanos had a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But now we have machines, and a robot workforce of the future could keep us fed even after a catastrophic calamity."
      We? .1%ers like Bezos have all the robots and, not just by coincidence , have all the money and last time I checked were not randomly distributing it on the street.

    9. Re:Thanos had a point by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      Actually if you were worried about resources running out you would kill those using up the resources fastest first. Those living the most unsustainable lives could be culled first, then the total number killed would be far far less.

      You know who you are.

    10. Re:Thanos had a point by CaffeinatedBacon · · Score: 1

      There is an even stronger link between development and resource use. As countries develop they become wealthier and use more resources. If everyone was like 'The West' the population may stabilise or even slowly decrease. But the resources just wouldn't exist to support everyone having that kind of lifestyle.

    11. Re:Thanos had a point by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      If you are worried about resources running out, or environmental damage you could target it much better.
      What would be the most beneficial to the environment? Remove 100 million Americans, Europeans, Chinese, Indians or Africans?

    12. Re:Thanos had a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As you noticed yourself, Mankind has doubled in numbers in a bit less than half a century. The long term impact of reducing it to 1/2 its headcount would be to be back again where you started 50 years later.

      Interestingly enough, humans are also the only species to invent and use contraception. How about we focus on that for a bit, because the Thanos model of "500x the holocaust, twice per century, to reduce suffering" seems slightly flawed to me.

    13. Re:Thanos had a point by bazorg · · Score: 1

      He may be a nihilistic Malthusian, but Thanos had a valid point.

      That's on my favourite T-shirt actually.

    14. Re:Thanos had a point by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The plague pretty much killed "randomly", in that there is a protein expression that makes you more resistant to it. If you had it, lucky you, if you didn't, well, can I have your stuff?

      That's pretty much random, considering it depends on whether you had the right genetic makeup.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    15. Re: Thanos had a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .1%ers like Bezos

      That's the very definition of catastrophic calamity.

    16. Re:Thanos had a point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those living the most unsustainable lives

      We had a meeting this morning and decided that the best metric for this was productivity. Those that contribute the most to GDP net of costs can live. Those that contribute the least are expendable.

      You know who you are.

      We put together a list of names at the meeting. I didn't see you there to defend yourself. Did you sleep in again?

  33. We destroyed 83% of wild mammals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And they tasted good!

  34. Day the Earth Stood Still by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SO the aliens may have been right... humanity is a disease that is destroying the rest of the planet and must be expunged.

  35. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    There's a video about wealth distribution in the US that bounces around between talking about accumulated assets and income when describing "wealth", with no mention of any of this. Because of this, each argument is about one of 16 different comparisons.

  36. Re:Libtards = fags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we are animals too

    Yep, just ask planned parenthood...

  37. Science in Israel by Tsolias · · Score: 0

    that should've been on the title.
    I wasted my time.
    also, in which percentage are the palestinians, in the 0.01% or at the 83%? asking for a friend.

    1. Re:Science in Israel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where science is done is irrelevant to the outcome, unless you're a racist shitbag.
      The Palestinians are with the rest of the people, where they belong. As they mostly kill themselves, and occasionally a few Israelis, they don't have much impact on the numbers.

      asking for a friend.

      I don't believe you have friends, just a rotating set of people who think they can tolerate you (but are wrong).

  38. Re:OSI and Christine Peterson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a difference between the activity that developers engaged in for decades, and giving a name to that activity. I really do believe that OSI is correct on who coined the term.

    I do have a problem with nearly all futurist writers who claim expertise on a subject. She does not have the academic background nor has published substantial papers on the subject. She is not a PhD and is therefor a lay person. She is perhaps an amateur scientist that has been successful at explaining nanotechnology to other laypersons, which I would argue makes her a skilled writer and speaker. But Christine Peterson is definitely not an authority on nanotechnology.

  39. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a video about wealth distribution in the US that bounces around between talking about accumulated assets and income when describing "wealth", with no mention of any of this. Because of this, each argument is about one of 16 different comparisons.

    This is a scientific study and not a YouTube video. It focuses consistently on biomass and does not jump around to other measures.

  40. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by nine-times · · Score: 2

    Most of this stuff global destruction environmental science PR is pretty contrived anyway... Once you get to "we are all going to die!" there simply isn't much more you can use that's worse...

    Yeah, there's some truth to this, but I don't think you can lay it all at any one group's feet. Some scientist does a study on earthquakes, and finds that the worst case scenario of one model is that the world will have a short period of high seismic activity sometime in the next 100 years. When he publishes his study, he makes a special note of that result just to make it a little more sensationalistic. Then some reporter becomes aware of the study, and writes a news story about how the world is definitely going to be overrun with earthquakes for the next 100 years. That story gets onto news aggregation sites (like this one), and people don't even read the article, and then you have a bunch of people arguing about the ironclad proof that the world will explode within the next 10 years.

    The science of the original study may have been solid. It may even be that the conclusions and predictions of the study were pretty good. Or not. We'll probably never find out, since the world won't explode in 10 years, and then everyone will say that the study was bunk.

  41. My Belief by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    This just confirms my belief that human beings are essentially parasites. Am I an asshole? Yes, I am.

    1. Re:My Belief by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Every animal is, by definition. We eat stuff that would certainly have preferred to retain its sugar, starch and protein, because it certainly did not synthesize it for our consumption.

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  42. Re: Libtards = fags by DaMattster · · Score: 0

    Veganism is mostly an urban movement anyway. Human beings are omnivorous! Which means that we are meant to consume animal protein and vegetable protein.

  43. Re: Libtards = fags by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

    I was watching The Magic Pill last week and in it they interview a former vegan. She explained the reason she is no longer vegan was the fact that when she began growing her own food she wanted the best nutrition for her growing garden. What she found was the best food for her plants was...animals. All of the best growing fertilizers utilized some part of an animal (usually blood) to enrich the soil. This led to her epiphany that whether we eat them or the plants eat them they are going to get eaten. Just as plants process carbon to make the air we breath they process deceased animals to be eaten by living animals.

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  44. Woohoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So this means we win, right?

  45. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by dinfinity · · Score: 3, Informative

    0.01% of life by weight is currently humans, but we've killed 83% of mammal species... by species count? individuals?

    Individuals. RTFA.

    what percentage of mammal species does humanity account for? by weight or by head count?

    36%, by head count. RTFA.

    what about other groups? insects? viruses? reptiles?

    They 'measured' marine mammals (80%), plants (50%), fish (15%). RTFA.

    Get your shit together, AC. Get it all together and put it in a backpack.

  46. Sensationalist headline? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For a web site that claims to be for nerds, could the headline for this be any more sensationalist and ignorant of samples? Seriously, the summary even points out how ridiculous the .001% value is by stating how little animals and even plants contribute to the overall numbers. A true nerd understands the exploitation of statistics to further a point.

  47. Re: Libtards = fags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you found out that HUMAN blood was being used in fertilizer...let me guess, you'd have a problem with that, right?

    Just because something IS what's being done, doesn't mean that it SHOULD BE what's done.

    The blood in fertilizer is collected at slaughterhouses, a result of the industrial revolution. We survived just fine for long before that, without slicing animals throats open in order to rain blood on our fields for god's sake.

    So I disagree with the philosophy that "they are going to get eaten".

    I can imagine a world where we fertilize our plants humanely too! Try it....

  48. Obligatory XKCD by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 4, Informative

    Earth's Land Mammals by Weight: https://xkcd.com/1338/

    Explained: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wi...

    It references a 2002 book: "The Earth's Biosphere: Evolution, Dynamics, and Change".

    So, while this topic is very important, I'm not sure what in the study is actually "news"? Maybe the low percentage of ocean biomass (which I feel is hard to believe)?

    --
    A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
    1. Re:Obligatory XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From a point of pure speculation, I imagine the low percentage of ocean biomass is completely false. Anyone that's ever been scuba diving knows the ocean is full of life. The ocean occupies *much* more space than land, so I find it very hard to wrap my head around the idea that all "the teeming life .. in the oceans .. represent just 1% of all biomass." You mean to tell me, that all the kelps, planktons, bacterias, fish, squid, corals, whales, etc all add up to only 1%? foh

    2. Re:Obligatory XKCD by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

      Maybe this 2012 study is part of the reason for revising ocean biomass downwards -- that we previously sampled highly productive areas but most of the ocean is not that productive?
      https://phys.org/news/2012-08-...
      "According to previous estimates, about one thousand billion tons of carbon is stored in living organisms, of which 30 percent is in single-cell microbes in the ocean floor and 55 percent reside in land plants. The researchers have now revised the number downward. Instead of 300 billion tons of carbon in subseafloor microbes, they estimate these organisms contain only about 4 billion tons. This reduces the total amount of carbon stored in living organisms by about one-third. "Previous estimates of microbial biomass in the ocean sediments were hindered by a limited number of sample locations preferentially located in near-shore, high-productivity regions," explained Rob Pockalny, URI associate marine research scientist. "With support from the National Science Foundation, we were able to obtain samples from the middle of the Pacific Ocean in some of the lowest productivity regions in the ocean.""

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      A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
  49. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

    GTF OUT! We don't like FA readers around here.

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    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  50. Computer security analogy by Latent+Heat · · Score: 0

    Is that like our engineering computer center that has purged Eclipse from the teaching labs because it requires a Java runtime and Java is a security hazard, but it still supports Matlab that installs a Java runtime, because if they pulled that the Engineering students and faculty who don't know how to code in anything else would riot?

  51. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by bobbied · · Score: 1

    True.. But I think some organizations use this effect to advance their causes. Commissioning "studies" which are thinly veiled ways to take some real science, slap on a veneer of alarmist inventions and include a couple of alarming looking extrapolated graphs by carefully massaging the data, sign the "study" with lots of letters after the author's name. Then Circulate amongst the media and volia... A Slashdot story is born.

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  52. omnivore by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 2

    If we put our mind (and stomach) to it, we can eat anything into extinction.

    --
    ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
    1. Re:omnivore by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If we put our mind (and stomach) to it, we can eat anything into extinction.

      Actually it's the other way around. We have found that the most effective way to save a declining species is to start eating it:
      https://www.dartagnan.com/buy/...

    2. Re:omnivore by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      And if you're a humanitarian, you'll have lots of stuff to eat!

      --
      Ezekiel 23:20
  53. An unpopular opinion by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I am opposed to wildlife conservation. I arrived at this opinion for three reasons.

    First was I watched a pro-conservation video on TED called "Life lessons from big cats" which had some of the most miserably fucked up wildlife footage I had ever seen. I realized how sanitized all the nature videos I'd watched growing up were, and that the horror I was seeing probably happened all the time in nature.

    Second, I used to be very opposed to hunting, but in a forum thread a hunter basically asked me "Do you think there's such a thing as a good death in nature?" In other words, wildlife can expect to die by being torn apart by predators, starving to death over weeks, or from disease. How is a shotgun worse than that? I agreed, and extended this thinking to all wildlife. Animals don't exactly go to "sleep" one day surrounded by loved ones. Wild animals are terrified of every little noise because every little noise really can be their oncoming death. If one cares about animals, is preserving a species to experience ten million years more of fear and horrible death really a compassionate outcome? Humans at least have hope from the advancement of medicine and technology.

    Third, yes biodiversity is shrinking, but all that stuff I got taught about the "web of life" is pretty apparently not coming true. So long as we have photosynthesis going on, it looks to me like it makes no difference how many species of shrew or stick bug there are.

    Main thing that makes me sad is my opinion puts me in direct opposition to almost everyone I admire. Most people who agree with me on this are the same kind of people who should go drink bleach.

    1. Re:An unpopular opinion by Dasher42 · · Score: 1

      I think the missing piece in what you're noticing about death in nature is that it continues that whole circle of life thing. It perpetuates the unstable equilibrium of an ecosystem. Everything gets recycled as many times as a species can evolve to handle it; that's how Nature closes its loops.

      Ecosystems are beautiful. They're absolutely worth saving. They contain a wealth of evolved information we're nowhere close to learning everything from. We're keeping supercomputers busy with protein folding simulations just to understand basic building blocks of life, and that doesn't touch what can happen out there. As a community of species, they're more than the sum of their individual parts. We can't even save individuals, meaningfully; so what if we resurrect the woolly mammoth now? Where would they live??

      So no, we earthlings just are not meant to all die of old age, not naturally anyway. We humans as social creatures want to keep all our connections and postpone loss, and that's fair enough.

      The biggest difference between human industrial systems and nature is that we're not closing loops. We're linear in our use of everything. We concentrate energy and mine/farm/refine resources. We use them. We throw them away as trash, a lot of it toxic to life and unfit even for the fungi to decompose. This plus the idea that we've all got to die of old age is what makes us so damaging to the ecosystems.

      The ecosystems are our basic life support, though. We're liquidating them for a highly linear, unsustainable energy cycle. That's why we're in trouble unless we deeply rewire how we're doing things here on Earth.

    2. Re:An unpopular opinion by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      I am opposed to wildlife conservation. I arrived at this opinion for three reasons.

      First was I watched a pro-conservation video on TED called "Life lessons from big cats" which had some of the most miserably fucked up wildlife footage I had ever seen.

      How does that turn you AGAINST conservation?

      I just watched it and while the half-dozen or so lions trying to bring down an elephant was brutal despite the elephant surviving I have to question what kind of nature videos you've been watching. We all know carnivores eat meat and those who are predators, like cats, kill to survive. This was explained to me as a young child watching nature videos.

      Life Lessons From Big Cats

      But then you start off reasonably with your second point until you come to the conclusion that allowing them to become extinct is more compassionate than providing a natural habitat for them to thrive and eventually die in even if that natural death is brutal.

      Many humans suffer greatly both in life and while they're dying. Would it be more compassionate to just end human suffering once and for all at the expense of continuing as a species?

    3. Re: An unpopular opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This same reasoning can be applied to humans and has an active following , Google anti-natalist

    4. Re:An unpopular opinion by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 1

      My opinion on this doesn't even matter much. I am "winning" by default thanks to despicable negligence and selfishness on a global scale. For practical purposes I'm just arguing for people to direct their charity to wiser causes.

      The main thing with the video was not that I had never seen a carnivore hunting, but that I never internalized things like failed hunts wounding and infecting prey while leaving predators starving. I never imagined animals forming such pitiful and doomed bonds. I never considered what it must be like to exist with no treatment for any disease, no meaningful safety ever, and perpetual food scarcity. They remain forever in a world where any noise could mean a struggle to the death, food is never certain, and diarrhea kills. Humans have the justified hope of technological advances to remove all but existential suffering, and even that might one day be curable. Wildlife changes solely through evolutionary pressures and has no such hope on a species level, much less an individual level.

      If one argues that wildlife should be saved because it is beautiful, I don't have much room for rebuttal. Aesthetic value isn't really a thing to be quantified, and anyway I agree that animals are beautiful. Although saving them for that reason alone is the aesthetic equivalent of saying one loves animals right beside the mashed potatoes. I might ask such people if there is a meaningful difference between enjoying the footage of the elephant struggling to survive and enjoying bear baiting, but I can imagine the predictable ways that kind of discussion would devolve.

      If one argues that wildlife should be saved because it useful, well, I haven't seen strong evidence that vertebrate species necessary for our civilization are in any danger of vanishing. I haven't researched this topic much though.

      If one argues it's compassionate to save wildlife, that is what I think is flat out wrong. Life in nature is nasty, brutish, short, and has no hope of ever changing. Perhaps most animals feel some kind of transcendent joy when waking up in the morning or drinking water or eating food. Perhaps such emotions might balance out the unending grind of survival. I rather doubt they feel such things though. For most of them even sex is not terribly pleasant.

    5. Re:An unpopular opinion by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Nature is cruel. Sorry, but that's how life is. That we are civilized and managed to escape it is a different matter, but I guess the question is what's better: Being alive and afraid for your life or being dead.

      Somehow I'd prefer to be alive.

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  54. Mixing Apples and Orangutans by PPH · · Score: 1

    Humans are 0.01% of all life (by weight?) but have destroyed 83% of wild mammals. So, what do wild mammals represent as a portion of mammals? Or of life in total. And how many cows, pigs, goats and other domesticated animals did we replace those wild ones with?

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  55. Re: Libtards = fags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Human beings are omnivorous! Which means that we are meant to consume animal protein and vegetable protein."

    Which means that we *can* consume animal protein and vegetable protein.

  56. Obligatory XKCD by swillden · · Score: 1

    https://xkcd.com/1338/

    Assuming Randall Munroe did his research well (and he generally does), it shows that humans represent a significant portion of all land mammals by mass, and that humans plus our domestic animals constitute nearly all land mammal mass. Wild mammals represent a tiny percentage.

    Of course the tooltip reminds us that bacteria still outweigh us by thousands to one, so there's still work to be done.

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  57. So What? by Philotomy · · Score: 1

    Those numbers put together like that are inane, and smack of a sensationalist, agenda-driven goal, not meaningful science.

  58. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  59. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

    Once you get to "we are all going to die!" there simply isn't much more you can use that's worse....

    This just in - we're all going to die painfully. Slowly and painfully in the worst possible way unless we follow their advice exactly.

  60. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by nine-times · · Score: 1

    I'm sure there are poorly designed or executed studies that come to incorrect conclusions. I'm sure there are occasional scientists that fudge their results and hype their conclusions for recognition. I know that there's some straight-up unscientific "studies" that are just misleading propaganda.

    I would just argue that we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. We shouldn't dismiss science wholesale, nor should we ignore warnings of potential environmental disasters, just because some people are sensationalizing things.

  61. Re: Libtards = fags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can imagine a world where we fertilize our plants humanely too! Try it....

    We do, it's called humanure.

  62. GOOD by sproketboy · · Score: 1

    Destroy the LEFT now.

    1. Re:GOOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Destroy the LEFT now.

      Why? They seem to be doing a pretty good job all on their own... November will be a RED WAVE!

  63. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by bobbied · · Score: 1

    LOL.. Reminds me of the sign I saw once...

    WARNING!

    You WILL die you if you touch it!

    AND it will hurt like hell while it's killing you!

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    "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
  64. Re: Libtards = fags by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    If you found out that HUMAN blood was being used in fertilizer...let me guess, you'd have a problem with that, right?

    And why not, exactly? Medical blood has a limited lifetime and then has to be thrown out.

  65. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by bobbied · · Score: 1

    If it's making sensational claims about a controversial subject, red flags should go up. IF it's trying to make dire predictions of bad consequences on a complex issue, or relies on making over simplifications of broadly complex scientific fields of study, more red flags go up. IF they are making nonsensical associations between unrelated scientific disciplines or comparing apples with oranges without blinking an eye, forget it. IF they don't discuss the possibly ways they could be wrong or what the limits of their observations and data are, just don't bother.

    It's pretty much a safe bet that if you are reading something "scientific" on a news site, it's only there as click bait. Nearly all that stuff is garbage.

    HOWEVER, if you are reading a peer reviewed study or an article from a well known, well respected publication, you might want to read carefully, review the foot notes fully, then decide what you think..

    Take EVERYTHING with a grain of salt...

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    "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
  66. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are we just quantifying random stuff and telling the world about it?

    0.01% of life by weight is currently humans, but we've killed 83% of mammal species... by species count? individuals?
    what percentage of mammal species does humanity account for? by weight or by head count?
    what about other groups? insects? viruses? reptiles? haven't we hunted any fish into the same category as the dodo?

    how many species did t-rex hunt to extinction? what counts as a species?

    seriously. get your s*** together, researchers. get it all together in one place.

    You know, it's complicated; even for the best amongst us.

  67. Re: Libtards = fags by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, we sliced open throats in order to rain *water*. And if the gods were pleased then it rained.

    sr

  68. 83% Of Wild Mammals by Zorro · · Score: 0

    Were found to make tasty BBQ and to not run too fast to catch.

  69. Ocean biomass only 1% of total? by TheZeitgeist · · Score: 2

    I am surprised majority of biomass isn't in the ocean, but only 1%? That number has to be wrong. All the bacteria in the abyssal sludge alone is more than 1% of the worldwide total I'd bet. How did they get such a low number for the ocean?

    1. Re:Ocean biomass only 1% of total? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only mammals.

    2. Re:Ocean biomass only 1% of total? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At a guess the ocean tends to be much less dense animal wise than land. Think of the layers of plants, animals, insects in like the amazon. Also its well known we overfish the oceans and do not keep much domesticated fish vs percentage of ocean. so likely the ocean should be a bigger percentage but we keep it small. On land we replace the things we kill off with cows or whatnot but in the water not so much. Boy the bacteria is a big one to knock me for a loop, but I think that is because of the estimates of bacterial cells in a human to our actual cells and it was said like 10 to 1 but I looked it up and newer estimates bring it down to 3 to o1 and even 1 to 1. In addition according to this https://courses.lumenlearning.com/biology1/chapter/comparing-prokaryotic-and-eukaryotic-cells/ it seems bacteria are anywhere from 10 times as small to 100 times as small as our cells so its starting to make sense.

  70. Nutjobs undermine their own credibility by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

    The world's 7.6 billion people represent just 0.01% of all living things, according to the study.

    There may well be something to see here, but when they count a human as one for one equal with a cockroach and a head louse I have no interest in anything these disgusting vermin have to say.

    The one thing I agree with the poster on is they are equal to a cockroach.

  71. we suck, rah rah rah by epine · · Score: 1

    Destroyed is a morality play, designed to make humans even more central and important.

    Displaced is scientific language for what evolution has always done.

    New improved patriotic fleshlight: now comes in red, white, and blue (PETA approved). Because while you may be a perv, at least you're a loyal perv. No dispassionate white gloves for you, no siree, dudly death canon.

  72. Re: Libtards = fags by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1
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  73. Pig's secret plan! by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    You have discovered the Pig's, Chicken's and Cow's secret plans for world domination:

    Be Tasty!!!

    By being so delicious they made that wastefully big brained omnivore, humans, ensure the survival of the 'livestock' who are really the world overlords!

  74. Only 83%? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    We suck... We're way behind the great Permian-Triassic extinction event, and there wasn't anything around back that as smart and technologically advanced as we are!

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    1. Re:Only 83%? by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      It took 10's of thousands of years back then (possibly a million), we are still getting warmed up.

    2. Re:Only 83%? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Damnit I can get pizza in 30 minutes, free 2 day shipping, and answer/watch anything I want in a matter of seconds on a cell phone. And now you tell me we have to wait thousands of years to finish this extinction thing? NOW NOW NOW!!!

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  75. Survival of the fattest by bursch-X · · Score: 1

    Sounds like a successful predator.

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  76. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by careysub · · Score: 4, Informative

    0.01% of life by weight is currently humans, but we've killed 83% of mammal species... by species count? individuals?

    Individuals. RTFA.

    Says a guy who didn't read the actual paper and is guessing?

    That percentage was calculated from this line in the actual (not made-up) report:

    The Report:
    "Human activity contributed to the Quaternary Megafauna Extinction between 50,000 and 3,000 y ago, which claimed around half of the large (>40 kg) land mammal species (30). The biomass of wild land mammals before this period of extinction was estimated by Barnosky (30) at 0.02 Gt C. The present-day biomass of wild land mammals is approximately sevenfold lower, at 0.003 Gt C."

    100*(1 - 0.003/0.02) = 85%, not exactly the 83% quoted but within the accuracy of the estimate.

    what percentage of mammal species does humanity account for? by weight or by head count?

    36%, by head count. RTFA.

    The paper is entirely done with biomass estimates. Why are you BSing everyone?

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  77. Evolution by shaksys · · Score: 1

    Evolution is simply which animal is better at killing the other animals. Looks like humans win.

  78. Anthropocene Anthrobscene by Humbubba · · Score: 1
    Have the Libertarians left /.? Have they gone extinct already? This is a hot button issue for them. Is it left to a milquetoast jerk like me to misrepresent their arguments? Ah, crap.

    The extinction alarmist thing is bullshit. Extinction is part of the ecological-evolutionary process, like the Permian mass extinction of 250 million years ago, where 90% of all species were lost. Besides, scientists are working on a fix. Until then, don't ask us to change our ways when there's a buck to be made. And don't expect us to go against the best part of human nature, greed. It's a John Smith 'Invisible Hand', 'The Marketplace Is Smarter', 'All For Self, Forgetting Everything Else' sort of thing.

    Banal milquetoast platitudinous retort:

    Since God told us to in Genesis 1:28, we have subdued the earth and have dominion over almost every living thing. And in our efforts to do good for ourselves, we may have brought about the eve of our own extinction, not to mention the extinction every other living thing. Unless we're smart enough to somehow transmute 'domination over every living thing' into 'stewardship of the biosphere', we are in danger of succumbing to our own devices, and turning the planet into a cinder.

  79. But, they taste so good .... by brainchill · · Score: 1

    If we weren't meant to kill the animals why are they made out of super tasty meat?

  80. Yeah, well, life isn't fair. by mschuyler · · Score: 1

    I'm guessing the K/T asteroid has humanity beat by a long shot.

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  81. Survival of the fittest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Adapt or die.

    The science is settled.

  82. Survival of the fittest! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ohhhh yeahhhhhh take that mother nature... who's your daddy now?

  83. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Get your shit together, AC. Get it all together and put it in a backpack.

    Reminds me of a comedian line: Take your filing cabinet, put it in the toilet, and sort your shit out.

  84. It doesn't matter by zifn4b · · Score: 1

    If it wasn't humans it would have been something else. Whatever is at the top of the food chain will do this provided it can proliferate itself via reproduction. That is life and biology. We are made to do this. Get over it.

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    1. Re:It doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The upshot to this argument is that many other top species have boom/bust cycles, where a highly successful species expands until its resources hit a breaking point, and its numbers snap back through density dependent factors (disease, starvation, warfare, etc). We've used tech to avoid this problem for the most part, but the Neo-Malthusian in me questions if it can go on forever, particularly if we set our goals above the traditional, "live long enough to reproduce," to be something like, "all humans should have access to quality housing, education, medicine, etc. that allows them to pursue their desires and capabilities to the fullest extent possible," because we sure as hell can't provide that to many billions without a revolutionary tech advance.

    2. Re:It doesn't matter by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      It can't go on forever. Eventually the sun goes supernova and all life on this planet is erased.

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  85. Re: Libtards = fags by ganjadude · · Score: 1

    We're Number 1!

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  86. The article was written by Ron Milo, a hypocrite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is Ron Milo a hypocrite? Because he has done the number one bad thing for a sustainable world: had more than two children.
    From his bio: "Ron enjoys playing the harmonica and hiking with his wife and three daughters."
    Three is not a huge overshoot but if you are working for anything to do with a sustainable world and actually care about it , And care about setting an example for others, you would have no more than TWO CHILDREN

  87. Re:Libtards = fags by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Not all of them, as you can see. Some are tasty, that's what we call "livestock". Some are fun to hunt. That's what we call "extinct".

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  88. Re:Fuck Wild Mammals by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Are we not men?

    About half of us are not.

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  89. Overpopulation is a myth by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

    https://overpopulationisamyth....

    http://www.juliansimon.com/wri...

    http://www.businessinsider.com... (see: "Part Two: Advanced Economies That Will Shrivel And Die")

    While the Earth may have its limits for any specific combination of human culture and technology, there is room for quadrillions of humans in self-replicating space habitats throughout the solar system. Jeff Bezos' take on that:
    https://www.space.com/37572-je...

    And on current USA human culture and politics and economics:
    https://www.westernwatersheds....
    "By far the greatest impact on the American landscape comes not from urbanization but rather from agriculture. According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, farming and ranching are responsible for 68 percent of all species endangerment in the United States. Agriculture is the largest consumer of water, particularly in the West. Most water developments would not exist were it not for the demand created by irrigated agriculture. If ultimate causes and not proximate causes for species extinction are considered, agricultural impacts would even be higher. Yet scant attention is paid by academicians, environmentalists, recreationists and the general public to agriculture's role in habitat fragmentation, species endangerment and declining water quality. The ironic aspect of this head-in-the sand approach to land use is that most agriculture is completely unnecessary to feed the nation. The great bulk of agricultural production goes toward forage production used primarily by livestock. A small shift in our diet away from meat could have a tremendous impact on the ground in terms of freeing up lands for restoration and wildlife habitat. It would also reduce the poisoning of our streams and groundwater with pesticides and other residue of modern agricultural practices."

    Consider, "Why Does a Salad Cost More Than a Big Mac?"
    https://healthesolutions.com/s...
    "Why Does a Salad Cost More Than a Big Mac? In a classic case of contradictory government policy the pyramids in this graphic clearly show the inverse relationship between federal government agriculture subsidies and federal nutrition recommendations. The chart was put together by the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, but its figures still, alas, look quite relevant. Thanks to lobbying, Congress chooses to subsidize foods that weâ(TM)re supposed to eat less of."

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  90. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

    I would like to know how they count the missing life also. If we didn't kill anything off, which we all know is not really true, but let's say for argument that it is. When we start raising the livestock it will take over a larger portion of the total as we grow the population of said livestock. Killing things off isn't necessary for us to take over the mammal population, we just need to grow our part of it.

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  91. SJW Here by baristabrian · · Score: 0

    We humans just want equality. .01 percent? Weâ(TM)ll even it out soon enough.

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  92. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There have been several extinction level events through out Earth's history. You are really saying we've killed more? I am skeptical, to say the least.

    This is why liberals can't have nice things in the U.S. anymore. It's like watching a footballer throw himself to the ground a good second or two after an opponent merely brushed by him. They have become such chickens little that even moderate liberals are starting to get tired of all the hyperbole and self-victimization.

    To continue the football analogy, can we start penalizing the douche bags who pretend injury to the same degree that the assholes who inflict real injury are punished? They're both doing the same thing: trying to determine the outcome of the game by means other than the sport itself.

  93. This is not really a bad thing by Doc+Right · · Score: 0

    Life exists on this planet to consume the energy delivered by the sun. If a species goes extinct, it was not conducive to efficient energy consumption. If it thrives, it's efficient. As humans, we are without a doubt the most efficient energy consuming life form on the planet. Therefore if a species does not support human life, it does not need to exist. However, as stewards of our planet, and with a sense of self preservation, we should be very careful which species we dispatch, as we may not understand its importance to our continued dominance and indeed our continued existence. Wipe out the wrong species and something else will dominate the planet in our place.

  94. Re:The article was written by Ron Milo, a hypocrit by darth.hunterix · · Score: 1

    You're wrong, three is the perfect number. I can't believe we still have to educate people on the importance of making backups on site like Slashdot!

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  95. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by dinfinity · · Score: 1

    You are correct.

    I did only RTFA and not the paper, but upon reinspection of TFA there are (multiple!) mentions of the results concerning biomass. I'm not sure whether they edited it or I just completely misread. In any case: Thanks for the correction!

  96. Re:Fuck Wild Mammals by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    Women, it counts.

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  97. And all the masses... by Doctrinsograce · · Score: 1

    And all the masses nod their heads with a sad show of sagacity... burping quietly in front of their tellies... and watching the penguin explode.

  98. Re:humans have 2 legs. dogs have 5 million follicl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Derp.