A Star Wars Boba Fett Movie Is In the Works (variety.com)

"Logan" director James Mangold is reportedly directing a "Star Wars" standalone movie centered on the bounty hunter Boba Fett. Variety reports: The untitled movie will be a part of the studio's Star Wars Anthology films, which are being spun off as origin stories. The first anthology film was 2016's "Rogue One: A Star Wars Story," followed by "Solo: A Star Wars Story," starring Alden Ehrenreich as a young Han Solo. "Solo" began opening in previews on Thursday night in North America, with forecasts of an debut weekend of $130 million to $150 million. Boba Fett debuted in 1980's "Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back" and re-appeared in 1983's "Star Wars: Return of the Jedi" as a mercenary for the Galactic Empire. Jeremy Bulloch played the character in the two movies and Jason Wingreen provided Fett's voice. Here's a video highlighting all the scenes starring Boba Fett in the Star Wars trilogy. Do you think it's wise to produce a movie around a character who's had such few scenes, relative to the others?

Comments

Spoilers

[alzoron]

He's a clone.

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[Anonymous Coward]

He's a clone.

Just like everything else in Star Wars nowadays...

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[Anonymous Coward]

You're all wrong.
Jango Fett was the source for the clone army. Boba Fett was his son.

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[Topwiz]

Correct. The clones were of Jango and were given a growth drug so they would become adult age much faster. Jango asked his bosses to allow him to keep a clone as his son who would not be given the growth drug.

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[MightyMartian]

Precisely speaking, Star Wars isn't SciFi, it's fantasy with SciFi elements. More importantly, it's a business, and making movies about minor characters is part of the reason Disney laid out the big bucks. I agree that it would be cool to have a Star Wars film that went beyond the known characters, and to a large extent Rogue One did that (except for Tarkin who played a significant role). But it's not likely to happen. There's too much at stake from a financial perspective for Disney to ever take such a chance. Even Rogue One was recut because if didn't fit within Disney's parameters.

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[The Fat Bastard]

Precisely speaking, Star Wars isn't SciFi, it's fantasy with SciFi elements.

The precise term you're looking for is "space opera".

Space opera is a subgenre of science fiction that emphasizes space warfare, melodramatic adventure, interplanetary battles, chivalric romance, and risk-taking. Set mainly or entirely in outer space, it usually involves conflict between opponents possessing advanced abilities, futuristic weapons, and other sophisticated technology. The term has no relation to music, but is instead a play on the terms "soap opera" and "horse opera", the latter of which was coined during the 1930s to indicate clichéd and formulaic Western movies. Space operas emerged in the 1930s and continue to be produced in literature, film, comics, television and video games.

Now get off of my planet!

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[Impy the Impiuos Imp]

You're all wrong.
Jango Fett was the source for the clone army. Boba Fett was his son.

Also incorrect, or partial truth anyway. Boba was just another clone of Jengo, one of which Jengo demanded to raise as a son.

In the bigger picture, one throwaway, scientifically illiterate line in Hope yields yet another massive afterbirth.

That's 4 damned movies based on the color filler line, "YOU FOUGHT IN THE CLONE WARS!?!"

Enough. Stop it.

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[cheesybagel]

If they ever make a movie based on Bobba Fett, I think it would be up right there with other Star Wars classics, like the Star Wars Xmas special, Jar-Jar-binks, and planet Ewok.

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[houghi]

I would rather have a new story altogether. Of all the movies I liked Rogue One the best. Story was a bit flaky. I would call it a high quality B-movie.
It started with the beginning where they have these flying things and park them at the other side of the universe and walk the rest.
And then the thing they need to access outside at the top of a building. Seriously?
And still I think it was the best of all of them.

But then if I want a good story, I would read "I am Legend" and not watch it. (Because, fuck, they raped the story.)

OTOH I am still waiting for "Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season", because that looked promising. (I liked the first one where his friend is chatting up a girl and he walk away with it and everybody thought the third guy was a douche. How do you like THEM apples.)

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[cheesybagel]

I was joking of course. It could be great, as long as they look at the already available fiction around the Mandalores.

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[Nidi62]

I was joking of course. It could be great, as long as they look at the already available fiction around the Mandalores.

Wasn't Boba Fett not Mandalorean though? I thought he just wore the armor. Accord to the googles opinions are mixed on whether or not Fett was (or became/was accepted as/whatever) a Mandalorean. So I'll just stick with him not being from Mandalore. Mandalores could make a decent story, but it would probably end up being 300 in space.

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[e3m4n]

Because you had to mail in proof of purchase seals just to get the action figure. Later on, when re-released for retail the boba fett character was one of the highest grossing characters.

Excert from Robot Chicken: The Empererâ(TM)s Return

Anakin laughs and pans over to the Geonosian arena. Jango Fett's head has been cut off by Mace Windu and bounces over to young Boba Fett. Boba Fett picks up his dad's severed head and a lady comes over and covers him with a blanket. She takes the head and gives Boba a doll.

Lady: I know you don't believe me now. But, I promise, It's all going to be okay.

Palpatine (Voice Over): Apparently, we're contractually obligated to follow that dumb kid's story, too.

Camera pans down to Gary the Stormtrooper's room.

Palpatine (Voice Over): That's what happens when you sell the most action figures! Thank you, fanboys!

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[trabby]

and an animated CGI series

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[OrangeTide]

Science Fiction has traditionally not been rigidly defined, and in literature there are many examples that blur the lines between Fantasy and Science Fiction. It shouldn't be the surprising as many SF authors were also writing fantasy, especially during the mid-20th century. And for some authors the genres becomes a bit jumbled and hard to strictly categorize, for example in Edgar Rice Burroughs' John Carter of Mars series.

Absolutely agree that Disney's priority is to make money.

Of course Isaac Asimov and Ray Bradbury were trying to make some money too. They wrote great stories and really put their heart into their work. But ultimately in order to sustain their book writing lifestyle, they asked to get paid for their work, went on tours to promote their books, and the usual things that one expects an author to do.

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[OrangeTide]

As far as I am concerned the abominations heretofore known as "The Prequels" do not exist and therefore have no bearing on any discussion.

You could extend that to pretend this discussion does not exist and therefor not participate in this either.

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[Anonymous Coward]

I disagree. Just because Lucas made the prequels, doesn't mean they count as Star Wars.

To me, Boba Fett is still that badass creepy guy from Empire and Jedi, and we don't know what he looks like under that mask.

All the cloning garbage just pissed all over the original characters. I assert that it does not count.

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[jgfenix]

By Luke's time most of the stormtroopers were no longer clones.

Star Wars fans

[Daralantan]

Do you think it's wise to produce a movie around a character who's had such few scenes, relative to the others?

He's barely in the movies but the fans love the heck out of him. There's tons and tons of stuff featuring Boba. Pretty sure he's fine despite not being a main star in the movie.

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[arth1]

He had a significant role in the Star Wars Holiday Special already in 1978. I see that as more canon than Muppets in Space, the War Edition (episodes I-III).

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[coofercat]

I'm sure Disney will do what they always do... make a good attempt of a film with some really weird, doesn't-fit-in-properly bit about three quarters of the way in that basically ruins it. Oh, and they'll make the good guys good and the bad guys bad - no shades of grey, and no occasioanl slip-ups here and there either.

So in short.. by the time the Boba-fans have seen this, they'll think a lot less of Boba than they used to.

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[SantiagoMcRib]

He was portrayed...

He has four lines in ESB. "Portrayal" seems like a generous term.
Though I always found the original trilogy novels boring, so maybe you're just referencing material I never read.

Personally, I'm hoping for a more "Krombopulos Michael" version of Boba Fett.

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[meta-monkey]

Yeah, the summary is wrong. Boba Fett was introduced in the Holiday Special, and returned in Empire.

Re:Star Wars fans

[Wraithlyn]

Nobody is arguing that Boba Fett isn't popular. Of course he is.

But "less is more". One of the reasons Fett is popular is BECAUSE he is largely unknown and mysterious.

Re: Star Wars fans

[Daralantan]

Let's give him a movie where he only has 4 lines as well. As the star!

High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Kunedog]

"Solo" began opening in previews on Thursday night in North America, with forecasts of an debut weekend of $130 million to $150 million

Dream on. Foreign box office totals have been grisly so far.

A lot of people don't realize how severely The Last Jedi harmed the franchise as a whole by souring audience expectations (and it won't get fixed before this Boba Fett flick, if ever).

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[Daneel Olivaw R.]

"Solo" began opening in previews on Thursday night in North America, with forecasts of an debut weekend of $130 million to $150 million

Dream on. Foreign box office totals have been grisly so far. A lot of people don't realize how severely The Last Jedi harmed the franchise as a whole by souring audience expectations (and it won't get fixed before this Boba Fett flick, if ever).

One day I would understand why people hate The Last Jedi, I really enjoyed it.

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[religionofpeas]

One day I would understand why people hate The Last Jedi, I really enjoyed it

I don't hate it. Don't love it either. After the watching the stupidly boring Force Awakes movie, I have lost any remaining interest in the franchise, so I'm not planning to go see it.

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[danbert8]

It was a decent movie, but as Star Wars, it broke something for me. It was no longer a sci-fi universe, it was just a movie. So many small things brought you back out of Star Wars and into the theater as a human, on earth, today, watching a movie with jokes for you. Yes, the prequels sucked as movies, but at least they didn't have obvious audience nods that didn't fit in with the universe.

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[JudeanPeople'sFront]

You don't agree with the critics, or you don't understand them? The latter is hard to believe - the Net is full with explanations why people don't like TLJ. There are *literally* dozens of Youtube channels dedicated to just this topic - criticizing Disney's Star Wars, mainly The Last Jedi.

Most of them are OK with people who like the film. They just explain why they think it's crap.

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[lgw]

One day I would understand why people hate The Last Jedi, I really enjoyed it.

It shat all over the classic Star Wars characters.

It shat all over the new Star Wars characters.

It made no kind of damn sense, and ruined the canon.

It was very visually appealing.

It was basically "Ass", the movie from Idiocracy.

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[Nidi62]

One day I would understand why people hate The Last Jedi, I really enjoyed it.

I thought it was "meh". Pretty enough, but they keep rehashing scenes from the original trilogy-VII was almost a scene for scene rehash of IV, but VIII had a lot of V in it, with a little IV thrown in.

Plus, I really don't get how, if at the end of RotJ, (in the special edition) they show worlds all over the galaxy celebrating the fall of the Empire, how the Rebels are still, well, rebels. It's like if the US, after winning the Revolutionary War, just sat around doing nothing waiting until the British re-invaded in 1812 instead of trying to form a government. The new trilogy should have been about the Rebels' new government hunting down the remnants of the Empire and cleaning up the galaxy.

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[religionofpeas]

The new trilogy should have been about the Rebels' new government hunting down the remnants of the Empire and cleaning up the galaxy.

It should have shown the Rebels slowly becoming a new Empire.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Everything Wrong With Star Wars: The Last Jedi

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[Nidi62]

Well, yes, that would be a perfect plot point. The intrigue and drama of competing factions, one trying to keep the new government democratic, one wanting revenge on the remnants of the Empire and the planets that supported it and therefore becoming more and more draconian, more like the Empire. Basically an exploration of how, when you might so hard to gain power you have to fight even harder to use that power sparingly and justly, as well as how easy it is to justify the misuse of that power.

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[Eloking]

Dream on. Foreign box office totals have been grisly so far.

A lot of people don't realize how severely The Last Jedi harmed the franchise as a whole by souring audience expectations (and it won't get fixed before this Boba Fett flick, if ever).

Exactly,

It's quite hard to explain for me, but even if The Last Jedi was a pretty decent movie (especially considering the E1-3), there's many moments in the movie that hurt the Star War fan inside of me.

Hyperspace Kamikaze destroying the logic of the franchise aside (why didn't they hyperspace their capital ship on the Death Star?), one of those was how little respect the new directors have for admiral Ackbar.

He's one of the most important hero of the rebellion and is (was?) the strategic mind behind every major battle of the rebellion (well, he's the admiral duh!).

But in new episode 7 and 8 (especially 8), princess Leia is the strategic mind and she made decision without the Admiral advice. Worst, he was cheaply discarded and replaced by the mediocre Vice Admiral Holdo. Ackbar should have took that role in the movie.

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[Wrath0fb0b]

This is explained in a few of the works in the interim. I won't do it full justice, but it goes something like: the New Republic is set up again, they fight for 5 long years and eventually defeat the Empire at Jaku. The Empire surrenders and and signs the Galactic Concordance.

At this point, the New Republic feared making the same mistake as the Old Republic (e.g. having a large military force that could be co-opted by a nefarious leader and turning into a New Empire) and demilitarize and decentralize. This allows the remnants of the Empire to violate the treaty and reorganize into the First Order, which in turn spawned the Resistance as a guerrilla group that was covertly supported by the faction in the New Republic that favored a more muscular military approach to the FO.

Of course, at the end of TFA, the FO wipes out the Senate and the NR, vindicating the folks that opposed demilitarization but also plunging them into a war where they are vastly outgunned. Of course that's the entire shtick of the series so it had to somehow be arranged that Leia leads a band of hopelessly outmatched soldiers.

In the end, it's actually a kind of rich counterpoint to the prequel trilogy's telling of the rise of the Empire. Moreso than you would expect from what is essentially a children's story. At least I liked the nuance of navigating between the danger of being so weak you succumb to tyranny versus being so strong you become a tyrant yourself.

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[Oswald McWeany]

One day I would understand why people hate The Last Jedi, I really enjoyed it

I don't hate it. Don't love it either. After the watching the stupidly boring Force Awakes movie, I have lost any remaining interest in the franchise, so I'm not planning to go see it.

Last Jedi was better than Force Awakens and Rogue One... but overall- I know I for one am getting Star Wars fatigue. If it weren't for kids begging me to take them to see it- I wouldn't be going to see any of them.

Star Wars is getting old and over-saturated like the comic book movies. Just stop for a decade or so, please! No more of this crap!

I don't hate Star Wars, I like it, but don't overdo it. Too much of anything gets old.

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[Ecuador]

Eh, as an avid sci-fi fan, the Star Wars universe was never a "sci-fi universe" for me. No attention to any laws of physics (or sometimes logic) was ever given, which is fine by me, I mean it was a fun "space theme/fantasy" universe, the only annoyance is when people refer to it as "sci-fi"...
But overall, after the first two excellent movies, it's been downhill (or down-cliff in the case of Episode 1), so I didn't think The Last Jedi did any damage and wasn't even below-average if we take the SW movies minus the first 2-3...

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[The Cynical Critic]

Apparently some of the side materials (books, comics, etc.), this franchise has always been merchandised half to death, explain that the new republic government that took over after the empire fell was pretty pacifist and preferred to spend it's money on things other than a big army after the empire spent so much on it. Not sure if this is intentional, but you do get the impression the Disney Star Wars movies are advocating for the same kind of mentality as Benjamin Franklin did when he famously said "Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who kept their swords."

Don't get me wrong, more likely than not the writers really just loved the underdog heroes of the original trilogy and just left in this massive plot hole without even realizing it and the writers of the side material had to fill it rather than this pacifist incompetency being intentional.

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[Mashiki]

One day I would understand why people hate The Last Jedi, I really enjoyed it.

Let's say you're a SW fan. And you really liked the original movies, you tolerated the prequel movies. You read the occasional SW book because someone recommended it to you. You found out that there was a huge swath of lore, and you enjoyed it. One day you bumped into the Thrawn Trilogy, and discovered a series of books that not only had the feel of the original movies but tied them in directly and gave a great jumping off point into an even greater universe. You might have played some of the games if you were a bigger fan, you know it was Kyle Katarn that stole the death star plans and so on.

Now, imagine that despite this. Disney decided that this was a shit idea, and all those millions of fans that loved SW, the force, jedi, sith, grey jedi and all the rest weren't the fan base anymore. The fan base was apparently a group of authors and directors screeching that "the force is female" and inserting a die-hard mary-sue that was even greater then Luke into a role, and handing everything to her on a platter was great. The character was such a great-force user that even when Luke was rebuilding the Jedi he never-ever-ever felt her in the force(despite that's according to the cannon what happens with great force users) Then, despite this you gave it another chance. And in their infinite wisdom, they took the savior of the republic fleet and shot him in the head. Replaced them with an absolute nobody with no tie-ins at all, and instead of holding even the most basic working relationship with the troops and soldiers under her believed that 'only her plan was best.' The entire plan was "shoot the spaceship through another space ship." This was then followed up by taking a possibly interesting new villain and...well pissing on him with a flat emo-kid, and oh that's the end of the movie. Also Luke instead of growing up, reverted to a pouty 9 year old that prefers temper-tantrums.

And I'm going pretty easy on it compared to hardcore SW fans. Oh and of course, one can't forget the people who might piss you off even more. If you didn't like it, you were a misogynist, sexist, hater, and two or three dozen things. Despite the reviews from fans saying how much they hated the movie, your response wasn't to be introspective and ask "why didn't they like it" the response was "it was the work of trolls and misogynists" that's why the moving-going public reviews are bad. That of course is all out of the ghostbusters 2016 reboot catastrophe, with the "attack the audience" approach. I will say, that if they wanted to kill the entire franchise they've done a pretty good job.

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[Anonymous Coward]

One day I would understand why people hate The Last Jedi, I really enjoyed it.

The comment that Colin Trevorrow (the guy that originally was going to direct Episode IX) made on Film Crit Hulk covers most of my issues with the movie quite well:

I think this was just a dreadful time, and it's a shame because I was genuinely excited to see someone like Rian Johnson given free reign - "Finally," I thought, "A real film-maker at the helm." However, I left utterly baffled at the creative decisions made every step along the way here. There's a lot of things I agree with in theory, but were bungled in execution. (Spoilers ahead)

Having Rey be just some person, and not just another in a long line of Skywalkers/Kenobis/etc.? Great idea! But⦠it completely flies in the face of everything we were shown before. So all her phenomenal force powers and whatever-the-plot-demands skills come from nowhere then? She's the all powerful chosen one⦠just because? This is made even worse when Snoke says that she's the Light Side "equal and opposite" of Kylo Ren⦠so great, she's the pure and incorruptible champion of the Light side now, too. All that teasing that she may be tempted by the Dark Side, driven by a well-intentioned need for power to save her friends, is out the window and I guess never mattered at all.

And killing Snoke! I hated Snoke and thought he was a stupid, cliche plot device only good for his relationship to Kylo and Hux⦠but killing him off with no explanation is equally as bone-headed a move. You've introduced this character who is critically important to everything happening, who helped turn Kylo Ren, who somehow had the resources and wherewithal to support a splinter group of the Galactic Empire that's apparently as rich and powerful as the Galactic Empire, and then you just get rid of him without any explanation? What did he even WANT (besides just "power")? It was a decision that felt like it wanted to be "clever" but instead just flippantly undermined any sort of backstory or consistency in this new trilogy. (I will say, it was almost comical to hear Snoke prattle on about Kylo Ren lacking conflict while the camera kept cutting back to Adam Driver's goofy, L.A. Noire-esque conflicted expressions.)

Then there's Holdo. Sure, Poe's a brash, stubborn fly-boy (though really you could blame the destruction of those bombers on the idiotic pilots who thought it'd be a good idea to line up so close). However, there is no reason for Holdo not to tell him her plan; EVERYONE should have been told the plan. There's only 400 rebels left (apparently), and theyâ(TM)re all basically huddled together on the same ship. Even if she can't go into detail (despite the film giving us no indication that there is any concern of spies onboard), she makes no effort to at least convince Poe that there's a plan in motion, and instead acts in a way that only gives the opposite impression. Boy, is she lucky that Poe was kind enough not to shoot her fucking dead as part of his mutiny - that wouldâ(TM)ve been awkward!

I found Rose to be insufferable. I don't blame the actress, I don't think she was given a lot to work with, and in total fairness I didn't care much for Finn in this movie either, which is a shame as I thought he was one of the highpoints of TFA. Their entire sideplot is interminable, and the Casino planet/war-profiteering storyline is so absurdly on the nose it just adds salt to the wound. I love how Finn and Rose put the entire Rebellion in jeopardy because they canâ(TM)t be bothered to find a proper parking spot. The kids were almost prequel-esque and while I'm all for this idea of heroes finding hope and coming from anywhere, it was presented in a very ham-handed manner.

The Leia moment was an unbelievable, shark-jumping misfire. That's all I have to say about

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[mrsquid0]

A lot of people don't realize how little the reaction some fans had to The Last Jedi harmed the franchise. The books and toys are still selling. Plans for the next two trilogies seem to chugging forward. Early reports suggest that if people are staying away from the Han Solo movie because of The Last Jedi they are doing so in droves too small to affect cause The Mouse much concern. If audience expectations really have been soured it does not seem to be showing up in Disney's bottom line. The next generation is going to decide if Disney Star Wars is a success or not, not people nostalgic for movies made in the 1970s.

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[GoTeam]

Don't worry, I'm sure Ackbar and Holdo will get their own movies at some point.

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[MightyMartian]

I thought it was okay but the clumsily constructed. It wasn't the worst of the franchise, pick the prequels for that, but it was merely tolerable. But it made a shit ton of money, so obviously a lot of people liked it.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Anonymous Coward]

It was a decent movie, but as Star Wars, it broke something for me. It was no longer a sci-fi universe, it was just a movie. So many small things brought you back out of Star Wars and into the theater as a human, on earth, today, watching a movie with jokes for you. Yes, the prequels sucked as movies, but at least they didn't have obvious audience nods that didn't fit in with the universe.

It broke something for you because it ruined almost all of the characters, both old and new. It turned your childhood hero into a pathetic, sniveling coward instead of giving him the treatment he deserved, or barring that, they could have at least concocted a halfway believable story for him to go from who he was in ROTJ to where he was in TLJ. A single scene where he's about to murder his innocent nephew (that he's known since birth) in his sleep isn't believable when you're talking about a guy that risked his life and the lives of his friends to redeem his super evil father that he'd met on only one previous occasion. Finn as a character went back to where he started in TFA (a coward that's running away instead of turning around to fight for what's right), Poe was made a fool out of (though his actions were always reasonable given his information, minus the yo mamma joke), Hux turned into a cartoon villain, and the backstory that was hinted at for Rey turned out to be a nothing burger.

There was also a lot of social commentary added to movie (evil arm dealers, animal rights, etc.) that might have worked well if it hadn't been treated ham-fistedly.

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[coofercat]

I totally agree - making the same films as the last time around, but with a few gender changes here and there wasn't setting themselves up for greatness.

However, anything like you suggest would have required some original thought and risk taking. Both things Disney does none of. They couldn't just buy in a decent plot from an established source, and so we end up with, what is essentially, a remake.

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[dbrueck]

Totally understand, but IMO you skipped the wrong one - for me, Rogue One is far and away the best of the new SW films.

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[Dripdry]

This is exactly what I was thinking while watching Solo. I had eeriest sense that, while I don't watch Marvel movies, Solo was basically a Marvel movie. Solo was ok, fun, but... it kind of seemed to be lacking something. Heart? I dunno. The acting (except for Lando) felt kind of cold and lackluster.

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[blind biker]

It was no longer a sci-fi universe,

Star Wars was never sci-fi, not even remotely. Wishful thinking doesn't make it so. It was, and it remains, family-friendly space opera.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[danbert8]

Even when I go to the opera, they manage to not break the 4th wall... I want to be lost in the fiction, be it science based or pure fantasy. TLJ could have been a movie made by cosplayers on Earth for how much I felt in a galaxy far far away.

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[Gr8Apes]

One day I would understand why people hate The Last Jedi, I really enjoyed it.

It shat all over the classic Star Wars characters.

It shat all over the new Star Wars characters.

It made no kind of damn sense, and ruined the canon.

It was very visually appealing.

It was basically "Ass", the movie from Idiocracy.

I hold that "honor" for Episode 1. What a steaming pile of dino shit that was. As for shitting on the characters, that happened in RotJ. The only reason that movie did remotely well was because of the strength of the first two movies and people wanting some kind of closure. But the moment the Ewoks stepped onscreen was definitely a WTF, and it went downhill from there. SW was teens and up. ESB was teens and up. RotJ was targeted at 8 year olds. Ep1 went for broke for 5 year olds and managed to completely destroy anything remotely resembling a storyline in the SW universe.

To me, TLJ cleared the slate. All the old characters are now wrapped up, since we knew Leia's end was going to happen shortly, even before Carrie's unexpected death. More than a few hints on the Jedi were given opening up new story lines for the future. I was actually hoping they'd kill off Finn, for one, along with a few others. Maybe that'll happen in 9. Essentially, Disney is taking the base set of ideas and making something new from it. As you might be able to tell, or maybe not, I feel that's saving SW. Rogue One was certainly awesome and was the only prequel we needed instead of that absolute tripe masquerading as Ep 1-3. Maybe Disney can rename those Reptilian Makeup Mash or something equally inane and more fitting. Or maybe the Adventures of Peg as He Breaks into Acting.

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[danbert8]

I don't know that I was that married to the original characters. Yes, I'm not happy with Luke's motivations or behavior in the movie. Yes, I'm not happy with how Leia survives an explosion, decompression, and floating in space while Ackbar just dies without note (that upset me a bit).

They introduce new characters that don't add anything to the story either... Rose is just there to tell the audience how horrible deserters, arms dealers, and horse racers are I guess? Except that makes her kind of horrible because she's in the Resistance who shouldn't be using tazers to prevent people from leaving almost certain death... The resistance also supports these arms dealers by buying their wares. WTF is horse racing doing in Star Wars again? Was pod racing not the only cool thing from Episode 1?

What the hell is Holdo doing? What kind of resistance leader keeps everyone in the dark about what their fate is and how they are going to keep resisting? Nope, just keep on getting bombarded and losing ships troops. Trust me, I have colored hair... I don't recall any other scene where Ackbar or Mon Mothma was like, we are going to send the entire fleet to the Death Star in what looks like a suicide mission, but we aren't going to tell anyone about the secret plan to send a team to disable the shields on Endor. We aren't even going to bother writing in a line about being worried about a mole so there might be SOME motivation for withholding the plan.

Also, I close my statement with Space Monte Carlo. SPACE FREAKING MONTE CARLO. Wait no, one more... Battering Ram Cannon? BATTERING FREAKING RAM CANNON? It's like they didn't even try to be creative or figure out what might be reasonable in the Star Wars universe.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Wrath0fb0b]

I don't know, at the start of Episode IV, you have no idea why Leia is being chased by a weirdo in a black suit.

There's something a bit stultifying when a universe feels the need to explain and give backstory to every little fact. It leads to boring exposition.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Wrath0fb0b]

On the contrary, if 5 hours of movies tries to fully give a historical narrative for an entire universe the film become stilted and expository. It's not a documentary on the rise and fall of the New Republic narrated by Ken Burns.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[grep -v '.*' *]

I have lost any remaining interest in the franchise

Agree. I lost interest after the 3rd movie, Episode 6. I've seen Ep 1 and 2 -- my friends drug me to them (at least I got free popcorn) -- but haven't bothered keeping track of any updates.

"The Force" must be strong with my wallet, as I still have my money for NOT seeing them. (I haven't even pirate-watched them. You know you've missed an audience member when they won't even bother to watch your movie for free, never mine purchasing it.)

I'm just waiting for the V rewrite -- "Luke, I am your other mother." Later on, in VI, the Emperor can say, "Strike me down with all of your hatred, and your journey towards the LGBT side will be complete." They've modified everything else, why not that as well?

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Anonymous Coward]

They're designed to get normal people in to watch them, not commit hundreds of millions to fellatiate a small number of fans.

In the 70s Star Wars spread like a wildfire and everyone just had to go and see it, so it's always been geared towards normal people, but let us not forget that Lucas made his fortune off of merchandising and most of the merchandise is sold to that relatively small number of fans that's being alienated. Pretty much every toy store has mountains of TLJ merchandise that's just gathering dust, whereas from the 1970s to the 2000s it was hard to find a lot of the toys.

It's hard to sell action figures when there's no longer a single relatable or likeable character in the new movies.

Kylo - an emo child
Rey - a mary sue
Finn - a coward that fights for good... that then tries to run away again
Poe - a hot shot pilot that literally gets everyone killed
Luke - a hero that ran away from his problems
Han - another hero that ran away from his problems
Snoke - the seemingly all-powerful person responsible for turning Kylo to the dark side and founding the all-menacing First Order.. that dies due to his incompetence
Hux - a cartoon villain
Rose - a preachy imbecile
Holdo - a leader that can't or won't communicate with her underlings (i.e. a bad leader)

There are pretty much no redeeming qualities in the characters, and they either accomplish their goals without any effort (Rey) or fail miserably due to incompetence (Poe/Finn/Rose) and/or a lack of trying (Luke).

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[drinkypoo]

At least I liked the nuance of navigating between the danger of being so weak you succumb to tyranny versus being so strong you become a tyrant yourself.

I sure hope that's a false dichotomy, or mankind really is doomed.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[AmiMoJo]

Imagine they had decided to keep all the expand universe stuff an canon. People want to see the popular charterers again, but their whole lives have already been mapped out in great detail.

It would suck. And the vast majority of the money doesn't come from EU fans.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[lgw]

I liked RTJ better than ESB. Come at me bro!

TLJ ruined Luke Skywalker, ruined every character on the Empire side, ruined Finn's arc, total BS with Admiral Akbar, most of the heroic moments went to new characters introduced in the film that we had no emotional attachment to at all.

Rogue One was boring and bland, but at least showed some respect for the canon.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[AlwinBarni]

One day I would understand why people hate The Last Jedi, I really enjoyed it.

No hate, there were quite good moments there, in my opinion much better (logical) then the previous one, however there were quite controversial ideas as well and one totally contradicting what happened before:
- flying Leia, why?
- Luke Skywalker character development, why?
- destroying spaceships when jumping into hyperspace - well, why bother fighting the Death Star, stilling plans, looking for a weakness, decimating fighter pilots, just send a spaceship and jump into hyperspace - the end

I enjoyed "Rogue One", but the other latest installments, well, visually great, but lack imagination and logic, not to mention complete lack of any - I mean any (1) - scientific grasp of reality - the worlds and plot is just copy/swap characters/paste, nothing new. Lucas maybe lacked sophistication in details, but his story was interesting and created universe imaginative. And lets not forget that with the latest discoveries in astronomy there is really not much imagination required to create some amazing worlds.

1) The vision of a new death planet swallowing the whole star, then sending some beams of energy to apparently another solar system (people there still had light), which destroyed a few planets with apparent Earth-Moon like distance - really, I mean really?

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Gr8Apes]

I liked RTJ better than ESB. Come at me bro!

I guess it depends on where you fell in the target audience? And, there's always the fact that not everyone likes the same things.

TLJ ruined Luke Skywalker, ruined every character on the Empire side, ruined Finn's arc, total BS with Admiral Akbar, most of the heroic moments went to new characters introduced in the film that we had no emotional attachment to at all.

Rogue One was boring and bland, but at least showed some respect for the canon.

Rogue One could admittedly have been more, but after being subjected to Lucas' shockingly amazing lack of vision, it was nice and refreshing.

Finn IMHO was a character experiment that failed. The sooner they kill him off, the better. He was TFA's JarJar, but not quite as idiotically offensive. The movies would have been better with less of him.

TLJ ended Luke. And with his end, a whole new start was enabled. Yes, the entire point was to effectively lay open the hypocrisy and false beliefs of the previous canon. That does effectively destroy the canon and I can understand why some would be upset. I hold it's a good thing. I believe 9 will be the start of a new story line, a new canon. There will be new evil, and new good. Given Disney's hints, there won't be black and white good and evil, it's going to be shades of grey with multiple actors working in a more complex world. Will they be able to pull it off without going all BG soap opera? I hope so.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[meta-monkey]

The toys are not selling at all. Nobody wants a Rose Tico action figure.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[meta-monkey]

But the title crawl is the exposition. They tell you exactly why Leia is being chased by an evil weirdo in a black suit.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[meta-monkey]

It doesn't look like it's coming from who they hope their new fans will be, either. TLJ vastly underperformed TFA, and I've seen articles that Solo is on track for a record low opening. We'll see what happens, but Disney paid $4 billion for what should have been a license to print money and they've fucked it up.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Mashiki]

So let's see: As someone pointed out, money isn't coming from the new fans. And they pissed off the old fans to the point they don't want to see it. Imagine if they kept all the EU stuff as cannon, they could make hundreds of movies for the next 200 years and be rolling in the money. They'd have popular characters, with different plots, across an entire universe of a story. You'd see the various kids from the main characters, how they shaped the universe itself, changed the republic and on and on and on.

If you don't think a book to movie adaption would work, well there's plenty of book to movie shows that prove otherwise. Including TV shows. People wouldn't care 'how' their lives were mapped, but seeing 'how' it was brought to the screen and how they could share it with friends/family/other fans.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[mnmn]

Like Children of Dune?

I always like it when the good guys morph into bad guys and vice versa.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Anonymous Coward]

Too much Social Justice Warrior stuff ruining the story for me. Wars all over the world for thousands of years have been almost totally male endeavors. Women were sometimes used as negotiators to head off war, but when fighting started the guys took the lead. Of course women supported the men, but it was men fighting, leading, making the decisions, getting hacked up, and dying. War sucks and men have traditionally taken the worst of it. The last SW movie had women as the main characters for every level of war: fighters, leaders, and top decision makers. Maybe because they are not Earth humans this is supposed to work? It seemed they were trying too hard to cram an ideology down people's throats.

Women have always been socially just as powerful as men. Just instead of being out in front with swords they have used words and influence which is an area they are way better (on average) then men. We can see examples of that every day plus throughout history. There is a reason for the phrase behind every great man is a great woman. I'm around a lot of successful men, most couldn't be that way without their wives helping with all the other things in life and family. It's wonderful to see couples who work as great teams. I was a huge SW fan growing up. Now it seems Disney is just milking the franchise and not doing the best job of it.

Re: High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[ljw1004]

Ooh! And in that vein, maybe it could have something about economic treaties and a trade blockade? Maybe something about the procedural mechanisms for getting a vote in the senate?

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Wrath0fb0b]

Well, it was briefly alluded to in Ep VII in the speech on Starkiller. Hux refers to the (New) Republic and to their support of The Resistance, making it clear they are distinct entities. He then clearly destroys the Republic.

I'll grant that's quite brief, but that's what you asked for, right?

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Wrath0fb0b]

I don't think it's a dichotomy, only that it's possible for a system of government to err in multiple ways some of which are contradictory.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Anonymous Coward]

Why would it suck? Because the films would be adapting pre-existing media?

The success of the Lord of the Rings movie trilogy or Harry Potter movies would suggest that a movie series could find success with general audiences, even if they were based on existing works. And given the fervor of the original EU Star Wars fans, the works had enough quality that it would give movie adaptations reasonable success.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[gosand]

I liked your review, and I get it. There is a wide "fan base" though for these movies.
I really really liked the first two movies, because I was a kid at the time. And even though I was 13 when ROTJ came out, I thought is had some very lame parts in it. But as a trilogy, it was great overall.

Then the prequels came. ROTJ fit in better with those movies that the original two. I watched Ep1 in the theater and thought it was vile by all counts. Ep2 I waited and rented, thankfully. I fast-forwarded through a lot of it. As I did with Ep3. I was glad when they were over. Time passed, and Rogue One came out. I was hopeful as I got it via Netflix DVD long after it came out, but was largely disappointed. The Force Awakens I liked, despite some of the things you mentioned. I think because it didn't fit in that universe that was already completely tainted for me. So as a movie, it was good. The Last Jedi I just watched on an international flight a few weeks ago. It was fine. I gave up on hoping it would all tie up neatly in that universe. And I was never a hardcore fan who followed it beyond the movies. But honestly, those prequels are what made it so I never really cared.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[UnknownSoldier]

Gee, if only fans could provide 7+ hours of commentary for why The Last Jedi is total shit on a scene-by-scene basis. Oh wait, they did !

= MauLer =

Playlist:
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A Critique of Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Part 1
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A Critique of Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Part 2
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A Critique of Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Part 3
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= Wisecrack =

Star Wars: The Last Jedi - What Went Wrong? â" Wisecrack Edition
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The Last Jedi And The Fall Of Star Wars: Part 1 - The Idiocy Awakens
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The Last Jedi And The Fall Of Star Wars: Part 2 - Attack Of The Kennedy
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The Last Jedi And The Fall Of Star Wars: Part 3 - The Johnson Menace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Length: 0:44:38

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[HeckRuler]

It's just a movie the same way that the bible is just a book... in the sense that both spawned religions.

And yes, terrible things were committed in their name. Fucking JarJar.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[HeckRuler]

Disney decided that this was a shit idea, and all those millions of fans that loved SW, the force, jedi, sith, grey jedi and all the rest weren't the fan base anymore.

And then they employed Abrams, the killer of canon, to take all that "expanded universe" out back and shoot it.

I thought they would have LOVED a pile of content that they could have picked the best cherries out of. But no, that means they'd have to pay the original authors some royalties or something. And apparently "Sold well and the fans loved it" isn't a safe enough bet, so they have to rehash episode IV.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Xtifr]

I thought [Last Jedi] was "meh".

So...better than most Star Wars movies, then? :)

I mean, every time I want to complain about what Disney has done, I think about how much worse it would likely have been under Lucas's control, and I remain silent.

Honestly, the best movie of the original trilogy was the only one where Lucas wasn't entirely in charge. I credit Leigh Brackett with making Empire great. And aside from that, the only one that even matches the quality of the Disney films is the original. And even that got worse once Lucas started mucking about with the re-releases. There's a reason so many people own "Han shot first!" t-shirts--Han shot first was a much better story.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[mea2214]

Also Luke instead of growing up, reverted to a pouty 9 year old that prefers temper-tantrums.

Luke = Donald Trump

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Xtifr]

you tolerated the prequel movies

Nope, sorry, you lost me there. I realize such people exist, but I can't imagine what sort of nonsense is going through their heads. Nor can I think of any reason to respect someone who would show such obvious signs of brain damage. :)

As someone who stood in long lines multiple times for the original three movies, I have my complaints about the Disney movies, but every time I think about voicing them, I remember how much worse it likely would have been if Lucas had remained in charge, and I hold my tongue. They may not be perfect, but they're at least watchable! Which is something we hadn't seen from the franchise since '83!

Sure, the emo kid is a little annoying--but he's so much better than what Lucas did to poor Anakin in the prequels! And at least he's set up as the villain, so you're supposed to hate him. Lucas wanted us to sympathize with that annoying brat in his movies.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[MightyMartian]

Jesus you're a stupid prat.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[lgw]

I guess it depends on where you fell in the target audience?

I just think people over-emphasize Yoda vs Ewoks. The Yoda scenes were great and the Ewok scenes were a vision of things to come, but each was a small portion of its respective movie. I find everything in ESB except Yoda and Vader forgettable, while I find the majority of RTJ very good. Jabbas palace, the space combat, the final confrontation - all great stuff.

Rogue One could admittedly have been more, but after being subjected to Lucas' shockingly amazing lack of vision, it was nice and refreshing.

Fair point. I think most would rank it first after the original three.

That does effectively destroy the canon and I can understand why some would be upset. I hold it's a good thing.

Firm proof you were never a Star Wars fan, and probably liked the Transformers movies.

I mean, really, make a different SciFi franchise if you're rejecting the SW canon, but don't make a SW film.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Gr8Apes]

I just think people over-emphasize Yoda vs Ewoks. The Yoda scenes were great and the Ewok scenes were a vision of things to come, but each was a small portion of its respective movie. I find everything in ESB except Yoda and Vader forgettable, while I find the majority of RTJ very good. Jabbas palace, the space combat, the final confrontation - all great stuff.

Maybe I need to revisit it. It's been years, I think I've only seen RotJ twice. The Ewoks were definitely a movie destroying experience that was majorly reinforced on the second viewing. It's like if you stuck JarJar in as the main android in BladeRunner. They didn't fit anywhere in the movie except maybe as a 3s pet shot in a cantina.

That does effectively destroy the canon and I can understand why some would be upset. I hold it's a good thing.

Firm proof you were never a Star Wars fan, and probably liked the Transformers movies.

I mean, really, make a different SciFi franchise if you're rejecting the SW canon, but don't make a SW film.

First, there's a special place under the ninth circle for Michael Bay, who through some devilish voodoo somehow got hold of a consumer camera. (I think that pretty much defines what I think about those "movies")

As for the canon, perhaps you missed all the details in our first 3 SW movies. I hold that everything outside of those first 3 movies that involved Lucas was outside the SW canon, because other than paying lip service to what was referenced in the first 3 movies, the rest was just crap.

What am I implying? Well, note that the Jedi were dying out, almost gone. In fact, they were so far gone, that only Luke and Leia remained, and Luke never finished his training. So in reality, the Jedi died with Yoda, the last remaining true Jedi master. Or did they? Apparently Luke achieved Jedi mastery as we found out in TLJ. But note that his only surviving trainee is Kylo Ren, not exactly a Jedi.

So the canon, if you'll excise all the BS commercial crap Lucas belched over the years reduces to a dead religion and dying belief system with a renewed discovery of underlying raw truth which is ready to rush to the fore. The force still is what it is, and one can do all the things that could be done before, but you see that the potential is far greater than what's been revealed up to now. There still seems to be a required balance, and it will be interesting to see how that balance plays out in the next few movies, as I suspect they'll run at least 3 or 4 more in this particular story arc.

In the end, I suppose it matters how and when you entered the SW canon and what you hold to be the canon. Those that experienced the movies like I did and who pretty much all skipped the cartoons have the same basic feelings as I do about all the movies and shows since the original 3 came out. One of the best stories was Splinter of the Mind's Eye, which never became a movie but would have done very very well had they filmed it prior to ESB. I suppose you can make the case that since Lucas created it, he could "build" the canon to include all the bs in ep 1-3 and the clone wars cartoons, but my take on all that was it was purely commercial junk pushed out to keep the money wheels rolling. Watch the first two movies, and then try to reconcile all the rest of the stuff after the third until Disney came in and rescued it. It's just a pedestrian commercial cartoon/action movie series like He-Man or Transformers.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[zippthorne]

Because it wasn't a Star wars movie. It was a deconstruction of a Star Wars movie, set in something like the Star Wars universe, but much smaller, re-casting the conflict not as a grand galactic civil war, but more as a Montague vs. Capulet feud (which.. they probably should've cribbed some music from for the score...) Some of the plot points were seemingly added specifically to turn off long-time fans, and plot threads were abruptly cut off rather than satisfyingly explored or simply left for the next film.

They even explained what they were doing in the movie

let the past die. Kill it, if you have to.

imdb

As a movie, I thought it had a mediocre plot (they just had too much time to fill for basically 33 from the battlestar galactica), with exceptional scenery, props, and costumes. A lot of really good work was done by basically everyone but the director and writes. It wasn't terrible from a film standpoint, if it were made on its own by a competing company as a farce, but It was basically a giant troll of star wars fans.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[zippthorne]

Seems I'm not much of a write myself. Stupid submit button too close to the "continue editing" button. (that's what I'm going with, anyway).

Anyway, I probably would've edited that to tone down the director and writes blame, since as a viewer I don't really know who made the decisions that lead to the final result. There could've been some writes whose great stuff was left on the cutting room floor for one reason or another, and parts of the film still worked, I think.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[AmiMoJo]

The two primary story movies made over $3.5bn on direct sales alone, I don't think they are doing too badly. Much better than the prequels.

Anyway, you may get your wish now because everyone except Chewie is dead. I guess you don't like Ray... But really the EU characters are worse in terms of being Mary Sues and having ridiculous force powers.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[lgw]

Not sure why you keep bringing up the prequels - no one wanted to see more of those, and anyway all those characters were long dead.

Don't dismiss the cartoons. Clone Wars the cartoon was much better than the prequels. Not great, but as TV generally compares to movies it compared to the real SW films (the main weakness was the long list of characters you know can't die, but the writers eventually figured that out and moved the focus towards new characters). Rebels has been actually good - it respects the canon, and pulls some of the good stuff from the EU without taking the whole (mostly crappy) EU as canon.

But you're missing the whole point of why TLJ was a steaming pile. It's not that it killed off Luke: that was inevitable. It's that that fucking wasn't Luke! You can listen to Mark Hamill explain why, if it's unclear. Character by character, old and new, the arcs were so bad and unbelievable that there was no watchable movie left.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Anonymous Coward]

Disney doesn't care about hardcore Star Wars fans, they bought the IP so they could make a bunch of 2-hour toy commercials for a new generation of kids / families and that type of audience doesn't really care about good stories, characterization, or consistency. All parents want is something that will hold a kid's attention and them up for a few hours.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Mashiki]

The two primary story movies made over $3.5bn on direct sales alone, I don't think they are doing too badly. Much better than the prequels.

At least try to get your numbers right, there's plenty of articles on this. But "a new hope" cleared $6.8B all on it's own making it well rather dismal compared to the two new primary stories.

Anyway, you may get your wish now because everyone except Chewie is dead. I guess you don't like Ray... But really the EU characters are worse in terms of being Mary Sues and having ridiculous force powers.

Ray is by far the worst mary sue compared to anyone else. Within days she's a super-jedi being able to do anything and everything she thought she could do. She got everything on a platter, in the EU Leia spent years training. Their kids spent years training and in isolation from their parents for fear of the empire trying to corrupt them. Mara Jade was trained as a neophyte assassin, her and Luke's kids again years of training.

At least read a few of the books before looking like an idiot.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Mashiki]

TDS isn't a way to live your life. There's help available at your nearest suicide centre.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[mea2214]

The Calvary led my Robert Mueller.is all the help we need. War hero vs. Draft dodging coward. This is what makes for a great story.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Gr8Apes]

Not sure why you keep bringing up the prequels - no one wanted to see more of those, and anyway all those characters were long dead.

There's a whole bunch of characters that are referenced or affect the characters in Ep 4-6. The main reason, however, is that I don't know what canon you're talking about Disney violating because it's not what's laid out in Ep 4-6 (the first 3 movies). In fact, so far, I'd claim that Disney has been more true to the canon than Lucas.

But you're missing the whole point of why TLJ was a steaming pile. It's not that it killed off Luke: that was inevitable. It's that that fucking wasn't Luke! You can listen to Mark Hamill explain why, if it's unclear. Character by character, old and new, the arcs were so bad and unbelievable that there was no watchable movie left.

So Mark didn't like the hermit Luke because it wasn't the hero Luke he played in the first 3 movies? Give me a break. This was an exact replication of Obi Wan Kenobi's storyline. You're going to have to go a lot further than point to someone's dislike of who he became (in a movie story arc, no less) Luke's story arc was perfectly believable, and necessary to kill off the last of the Jedi. :) But, it sounds like we're at an impasse, much like Mark was with Johnson. However, the bigger story won over the lone hero. Perhaps that's why he was crushed?

Now don't get me wrong, I dislike quite a few of the new characters, including Finn, Kylo in TLJ and Rey. Chewie should be in an old folks home, he's something like 280 by now, since Lucas totally wrote out all the wookie storylines.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[lgw]

Luke would never have abandoned the order - he was defined by being hopeful in the face of reality. He never would have seriously considered killing his student - I know you didn't like RTJ, but the second half of the movie was about him taking an extreme risk for the longshot chance that the most evil man he knew was redeemable.

That wasn't fucking Luke.

Finn was cool in TFA anyway - he was the only character with an actual arc. Ruined by random walk-on character in TLJ of course, but he had an arc.

The series needs some credible threat for Ma-Rey Sue to face. Kylo became a joke. The military leader of the Empire - can't remember his name now - was at least somewhat interesting in TFA, but became a joke in TLJ. Snoke should have been the final boss, but was a joke in TLJ. There wasn't a single character in TLJ who was worthwhile, full stop. The plot was as non-nonsensical as the first prequel. All TLJ had going for it was pretty visuals.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Gr8Apes]

Luke would never have abandoned the order - he was defined by being hopeful in the face of reality. He never would have seriously considered killing his student - I know you didn't like RTJ, but the second half of the movie was about him taking an extreme risk for the longshot chance that the most evil man he knew was redeemable.

The entire first three movies covered roughly 3-4 years of Luke's life, tops. He was a teen starting out. How many people do you know changed their idealistic viewpoints between 20 to 40? All of them? It's been a while so I my memory might be hazy but the second half of RotJ seemed to be about a bunch of short wannabe wookies throwing wooden weapons at ATATs, and winning Power Rangers style. ;)

I agree with the credible threat. Right now, there doesn't seem to be one, but that doesn't mean there isn't one. Again, the storyline has been reset. It will be interesting to see where they take it. I'd have to watch TFA/TLJ again to see about the rest of what you said. The interesting fact is that I can actually state that with no trepidation, unlike the prequels (I only bring that up to state how unabashedly terrible those movies were and likely could have been condensed into a reasonably decent 20 minute short that wouldn't offend everyone) FWIW, I didn't think much of Kylo in TFA and that didn't improve in TLJ. The same can be said for Rey, IMHO Daisy's not really committed to the role.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Mashiki]

If your cavalry is being led by someone who lied so much that his "star case" known as Enron, had every single charge thrown out by the courts, and was rebuked by the courts for openly lying and manufacturing evidence. I'd say you have more serious problems at hand. But it'll make a great story.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Mashiki]

We get it, you're upset that they aren't catering especially to you anymore. Grow up kid.

So tell everyone something: What happens when a company isn't catering to it's core demographic? I'll wait. I'm sure if you think realllllly hard you'll figure it out.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Mashiki]

You could have at least tried to dispute what they said, especially since historical evidence is on their side.

Re:High Cost of Damaging the Brand

[Mashiki]

Truthfully, I wish my review was wrong. The hardcore fans hate it just as much as the ghostbuster fans hated the remake, and there's good reasons in both.

popular character

[Anonymous Coward]

He is a popular character. The fact that he has so few scenes means he is a blank canvas for the writers.

Could be amazing, could be garbage. Time will tell.

Re: popular character

[Anonymous Coward]

Let me help you: it will be garbage.

Boba Fett debuted in the SW Holiday Special!

[Anonymous Coward]

No, Boba Fett debuted in the Star Wars Holiday Special, not in Empire Strikes back!

That was on 17 November 1978.

It was during a "cartoon" part of Holiday Special.

It was the only part of the Holiday Special that didn't make you want gouge out your own eyes :)

Re:Boba Fett debuted in the SW Holiday Special!

[Black.Shuck]

No, Boba Fett debuted in the Star Wars Holiday Special

"What happened?"

He is a fan favourite.....

[Crookdotter]

But the question is:

Is he a favourite because he had so few scenes, and fans 'filled in the blanks' to make him feel cooler than he is? Is he a character where 'less is more' should be the core idea?

He did seem to be well in with Darth Vader. (why the hell was a galaxy spanning empire hiring bounty hunters?) Maybe we can see more of Vader connected to Fett. Everyone loved the Vader part at the end of rogue one. Maybe we can see Vader at his height for a more extended view? Or maybe a Vader story should be left for that - SW has a long way to go.

Other bounty hunters would be a good place to start, rolling in the ones we saw. I want to see how a droid got to be one.

I wonder if we can see Empire from Fett's perspective. Get digital Lando and Han and Luke and Leia involved to see cloud city from Fett's eyes? I think that would work well, especially if we get to see the more about Jabba and Fett.

I wonder if we can get Fett as a more rounded character - maybe he owes Jabba, and 'A guys gotta do what a guys gotta do. Nothing personal, Han.'

I don't mind a Fett movie. I'll mind if it's done badly.

Re:He is a fan favourite.....

[Anonymous Coward]

> (why the hell was a galaxy spanning empire hiring bounty hunters?)

The same reason I get paid as a consultant. Individual experts can be *much faster* and much, much more effective than bureaucracies at many tasks. Can you imagine the sheer *paperwork* generated by a Death Star? That giant laser wasn't designed to destroy planets, it was designed to shred peperwork if the rebels ever fired a Freedoom Of Information Act request!!!!

Re:He is a fan favourite.....

[thegarbz]

Is he a favourite because he had so few scenes, and fans 'filled in the blanks' to make him feel cooler than he is? Is he a character where 'less is more' should be the core idea?

You're asking the wrong question. The question you should be asking is: "'Should we milk our $4bn investment by making a shitty movie about every character in the known universe and ignoring lore as we go?"
And then answer yes.

I don't mind a Fett movie. I'll mind if it's done badly.

You'll mind. About the only starwars movie that was even remotely interesting of late was Rogue One.

Re:He is a fan favourite.....

[Crookdotter]

I completely agree, and even that had it's problems. But, you can't make an omelette and all that, so with a few duds maybe the learning process will produce some good movies?

Re:He is a fan favourite.....

[drinkypoo]

(why the hell was a galaxy spanning empire hiring bounty hunters?)

Physics. I know that's a laughable answer in the context of a fantasy series like Star Wars, but it's the only plausible explanation. It's just cheaper to send a spider to catch a fly than an entire battlecruiser. Also, since Solo seems to know a lot about Imperial procedure (I haven't seen any of the new movies after I sat through episodes 7 and 8 and walked out of 9) so I don't know if we're still waiting for his prequel to get that explained or not. It would make more sense to send someone non-Imperial after him.

I wonder if we can get Fett as a more rounded character - maybe he owes Jabba, and 'A guys gotta do what a guys gotta do. Nothing personal, Han.'

I got the sense it was just more what he did for a living, and Han was just another paycheck. But I guess maybe we find out.

Re:He is a fan favourite.....

[thegarbz]

I completely agree, and even that had it's problems. But, you can't make an omelette and all that, so with a few duds maybe the learning process will produce some good movies?

What is the saying? "You can't make an omelette if screw up cracking nearly every egg?" :-)

Re:He is a fan favourite.....

[Mnemennth]

Not gonna give half a fu** about any of this backstory as long as my Electrum Remnant gets delivered before I go see Solo this weekend. :P

mnem
*AKA Darth Paul - Sith Lord, Retired*

Re:He is a fan favourite.....

[Nidi62]

You'll mind. About the only starwars movie that was even remotely interesting of late was Rogue One.

You know what makes me sad? The part of Rogue One that got me most excited was the ambush on Jedha. Finally some actual military tactics in a Star Wars movie, and guerilla tactics to boot! Everything before that was frontal assaults, everyone standing straight up, etc (although the Rebels were at least smart enough to entrench themselves on Hoth, but they really should have done a better job on their heavy weapon emplacement). Hell, in RotJ when they spring the trap the Empire is just standing there chilling in perfect parade formation in the middle of a clearing. Who does that?

Re:He is a fan favourite.....

[HeckRuler]

maybe he owes Jabba, and 'A guys gotta do what a guys gotta do. Nothing personal, Han.'

In the books he's the quintessential mercenary, "doing it for the money". It's not even debt, it's just a paycheck. If someone hires him to put a bullet in you, once he's done he's the sort you can hire to return the favor.

Re:He is a fan favourite.....

[SEE]

(why the hell was a galaxy spanning empire hiring bounty hunters?)

Professional bounty hunters are, by definition, people who are sufficiently more successful at tracking and capturing wanted fugitives than government agents that they can make a living at it.

Now, one might ask, why does that situation exist? Why is there no efficient totalitarian Imperial police force able to track down fugitives well enough that something as chaotic and poorly-controlled as bounty-hunting could be outlawed? And the answer (even if we confine ourselves to the evidence of just the original Star Wars film alone) is that the Empire is not some long-established centralized state that was then totalitarianized, but a military dictatorship established in living memory over what was a loose federation. Competent institutions of centralized power take time to establish, and are sufficiently weak at the time of the first film that the Emperor didn't dare take the step of ending power-sharing with a Senate representing the individual systems until he had a planet-destroying superweapon to intimidate them into compliance.

It is accordingly entirely consistent with the background established at the time of the filming of The Empire Strikes Back that the usual means of dealing with criminal fugitives that skip systems in the Empire would be to post rewards for bounty hunters to collect. In which case, it would be foolish for Vader to allow Imperial pride to stop him from bringing in experts in tracking fugitives to hunt down experienced criminal Han Solo and his smuggling ship.

Re:He is a fan favourite.....

[MightyMartian]

As badly as it was handled in RotJ, the essential idea was that the Emperor was overconfident in believing that as long as the shield generator was safe, the Imperial fleet could be picked off. Not a bad strategy, except for the whole Teddy Ruxpin assault. Now if he'd had fifty of his finest legions guarding that stupid building, the Empire would have would have wiped out the Rebellion.

It's been thirty years since I read the novelization, but there was an element introduced where the Emperor"s Force abilities allowed him to essentially control his forces, and when he died, they were thrown into chaos. A bit of a rip-off of the fall of Sauron, but at least it explains why this massive fleet went to shit.

Welcome to the world of the Rat

[Virtucon]

Disney is thoroughly destroying the franchise. Capitalism for the win!

Re:Welcome to the world of the Rat

[houghi]

Disney is thoroughly destroying the franchise even more. Capitalism for the win!

FTFY

Re:Welcome to the world of the Rat

[Daneel Olivaw R.]

FFS, It is a franchise. stop whining. Also Last Jedi is a million times better than Star Wars VI

Re:Welcome to the world of the Rat

[danbert8]

I'll take an Ewok over a Porg any day, any time. Ewoks were cute and actually participated in the plot.

Re:Welcome to the world of the Rat

[Virtucon]

No, it isn't. Episode V is and I agree with that.
 

Re:Welcome to the world of the Rat

[Virtucon]

When you find yourself longing for Shatner's overacting then you know Star Wars is dead. I was was at that point with Phantom Menace.

Re:Welcome to the world of the Rat

[Desler]

Last time I checked it wasn’t Disney who invented Jar Jar Binks...

Re:Welcome to the world of the Rat

[Freischutz]

Disney is thoroughly destroying the franchise. Capitalism for the win!

The franchise was thoroughly destroyed when Lucas decided it was a good idea to end The Return of the Jedi to with a spectacular fluffy teddy-bear battle choke full of slapstick and that was way, way before Disney had anything to do with it.

Re:Welcome to the world of the Rat

[markdavis]

>"Disney is thoroughly destroying the franchise. Capitalism for the win!"

Yeah, because, you know, Socialism would fix that problem so well. Here is news for you- as a *customer* in capitalism, you have a voice and get to speak with your wallet. And it does speak loudly. If you don't like the crap that Disney is putting out, then don't spend any money on it. Otherwise, Disney is giving people what they are willing to pay for. "Central planning" won't be any more effective with the arts than it would with most any other industry.

Without capitalism and a free market, Star Wars wouldn't have existed in the first place.

Re:Welcome to the world of the Rat

[freeze128]

"Wesa free!"

Re:Welcome to the world of the Rat

[Provocateur]

LOL I'm with you there Virtucon; even watching Shatner in Airplane III just to purge all those bad memories of TPM

Re:Welcome to the world of the Rat

[penandpaper]

Capitalism? What franchise has !capitalism created that we all enjoy?

No, what destroys a franchise is "art industry". Whenever you try and mass produce "art" it will be a steaming pile of garbage watered down to a simple formula. The same problems exist with any franchise in any "art industry". Do you need to be reminded of how crappy 'pop' music is that the 'music industry' produces? Or dare I say, Mass Effect: Andromeda.

Thinking that "art" can be manufactured on an assembly line and still be good is the problem.

Re:Welcome to the world of the Rat

[MightyMartian]

I'm just glad Snoke is gone. If they tied in with a clone of Palpatine or something like that, it would have made more sense. This is why the whole "there are only two Sith" thing was just so fucking stupid, and really does hamstring things. Snoke might have made more sense if the Sith were a Dark Side Jedi order.

Re:Welcome to the world of the Rat

[markdavis]

>"I think you are confusing communism with socialism."

No I didn't.

Re:Welcome to the world of the Rat

[Areyoukiddingme]

This is why the whole "there are only two Sith" thing was just so fucking stupid, and really does hamstring things.

I always took that to mean "there are always two Sith" but no more than two will cooperate. So there may be any number of Dark Jedi, but they will have a marked tendency to come in pairs, and the pairs will not cooperate with each other. There will be no such thing as a Dark Jedi Counsel or such. Just master and apprentice marauding across the galaxy, at times coming into contact and conflict with other pairs doing the same thing.

Boba Fett did not debut in Empire

[skam240]

Sorry but Fett did not debut in Empire.

https://www.starwars.com/news/...

Here's the actual premier if you want to watch it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=...

It's part of a larger Christmas special and is pretty terrible for those not familiar

Re:Boba Fett did not debut in Empire

[skam240]

Oops, first appearance was at a county fair as stated by my first link. Second was the terrbile Chrietmas special in my second.

Fortunatly I posted this mistake to the internet where no one would ever completely freak out over a small, corrected mistake.

Re:Boba Fett did not debut in Empire

[freeze128]

In "A New Hope - Special Edition", we see the missing scene where Han Solo confronts Jabba the Hut in docking bay 94. Jabba is now a CGI worm instead of a fat guy in a shaggy vest, but the rest of the actors are still there. That scene ends on Boba Fett turning to the camera.

Re:Boba Fett did not debut in Empire

[drinkypoo]

In "A New Hope - Special Edition", we see the missing scene where Han Solo confronts Jabba the Hut in docking bay 94.

I keep reading this sentence, and it still doesn't make any sense. Did you put fnords in it?

Re:Boba Fett did not debut in Empire

[skam240]

Both Empire and the Christmas special came out before the special editions.

This is awesome

[DrXym]

When I see a character who is cool precisely we don't know much about him, or his motivations, the first thing I think is "let's give him a backstory!"

Re:This is awesome

[mentil]

Expect a Leia anthology film next. She has plenty of backstory that could be filled in (now that the EU has been tossed).

R2D2 / C3PO / Princess Leia / Luke / Wookies

[burni2]

Young Luke - his adventures at (driving) school (comedy)
R2D2 - plip didi plip
C3PO - ruining the royal banquette (comedy)
Leia - the dark side of the banquette (drama)
Leia and Luke - forbidden love (heavy erotic)
Wookie - lost in hair (hairy comedy)
Hair - Wookies against nam (comedy drama)
Wookie vs. Predator (hairy action)
Traffic Space Police Academy 8 - Luke needs a job after victory R2D2 is equiped with a mobile printing unit .. beware the ticket comes

Hey come on guys, there is plenty of room for some very entertaining flicks, and a sequel and a prequel and a side story.

Milk the cow till she dies, because she would die anyway!

Re:R2D2 / C3PO / Princess Leia / Luke / Wookies

[thegarbz]

Wookie vs. Predator (hairy action)

I've seen that one on Pornhub.

Re:R2D2 / C3PO / Princess Leia / Luke / Wookies

[painandgreed]

Wookie vs. Predator (hairy action)

OK, you sold me. I'm in.

Re: another spin off?

[Anonymous Coward]

Disney lol, what did you expect.

I saw Solo last night

[guruevi]

Quite honestly the story is predictable from beginning to end. It's Star Wars but Disneyfied. It's far from a "good" movie, it's got some forced humor predictably out of the droids like the previous backstory movie, a princess story like the previous backstory movie, some explosions like the previous one, distressed youth like the previous one, some minor predictable plot twist like the previous one. The only difference/problem is that it doesn't wrap up the characters neatly like the previous story - it creates a potential new story line into the existing movies which should have people wonder "where is she in the old movies" and unless she turns out to be jar jar, it's going to cause some continuity issues. It's no Harrison Ford and George Lucas movie and it shows. The story is very shoddy.

Re:I saw Solo last night

[LiquidMind]

well put. at no point throughout the movie did i feel any sense of urgency or real danger....

Inevitable

[sheramil]

I can't wait for the standalone movies that explore the backgrounds of the GNK-series power droid ("... GONK!"), and maybe that one female droid you see climbing the steps of the senate building, for about five seconds, in "The Phantom Menace". Stories we need to see in order to understand the depth of the setting.

it's a trap

[sad_]

i really rather would like to see a movie about General Ackbar.

Re:it's a trap

[JudeanPeople'sFront]

I second that.

Maybe the best move for Disney right now is to hire new talent behind the camera and produce a "real" Star Wars movie, fateful to the characters created by George Lucas.

Ethan Van Sciver has probably the best idea - Obi One Kenoby, played by Ewan McGregor, runs from Vader after Epizode 3. Eventually manages to escape by faking his death. That could be a great movie which will return the fans to the theaters and toy stores.

Next up in the Star Wars origins series

[clickety6]

2 and a half hours of watching C3PO being put together on an assembly line...

Fans may also spot some cameo roles by other Star Wars characters - Darth Vader as factory owner, Luke Skywalker as the Union foreman who leads the strike , Princess Leia as the tea lady bringing relief to the workers, R2D2 as her tea-filled samovar ...biddly boo-boop... one lump or two... and Jabba the Hut as the unflushable thing left behind in the third toilet cubicle from the right.

Re:Next up in the Star Wars origins series

[jbmartin6]

Two and a half hours? That's a pretty crappy assembly line.

Re:Next up in the Star Wars origins series

[Crookdotter]

Anakin built C3PO. Sheesh.

Re:Next up in the Star Wars origins series

[LightNecromancer]

Two and a half hours? That's a pretty crappy assembly line.

Somebody will make a Tesla joke about this. I won't though :-D.

Re:Next up in the Star Wars origins series

[thegarbz]

2 and a half hours of watching C3PO being put together on an assembly line...

We've got that one, It's called "The Phantom Menace".

Re:Next up in the Star Wars origins series

[houghi]

In the next movie after that, we see that that was all a dream.

Star Wars is over. That didn't take long either

[JudgeFurious]

Force Awakens was bad. A poorly concealed lazily written copy of the original Star Wars film shoehorned into the space the characters occupied at their current ages. Last Jedi was far worse. It has been a wasted space and while Rogue One had a bit of interest to it (The story of how they got the location of the second Death Star would have been a better choice I think) Solo is a back-story I never asked for and didn't need. The same goes with Boba Fett. The Obi-Wan anthology film might have more promise if it wasn't this bunch making it. They just don't seem to have any idea what makes Star Wars work. Hell Kathleen Kennedy go across the hall and see if you can schedule a meeting with Kevin Feige. Bring a pen and some paper. Take notes on how it's done for crying out loud.

Re:Star Wars is over. That didn't take long either

[Gilgaron]

There is a bit of fatigue about it... I've been enjoying the Marvel movies but having trouble being bothered to keep up with them, too. If Disney pulls them off Netflix when their deal is done I'll probably just stop.

Re:Star Wars is over. That didn't take long either

[Dripdry]

She's already doing that, and the Marvel idiocy is what's killing Star Wars.
Seriously, there have been one or two OK Marvel movies, while the rest have basically been filler. They're lowering the standard for movies and it isn't pretty.

Re:Star Wars is over. That didn't take long either

[JudgeFurious]

I disagree completely here. Marvel has managed to maintain a decade long 2-3 movie per-decade level of quality that most studios would kill for. There's not a truly "unwatchable" movie in the bunch and the worst Marvel film is better than anything Disney has managed to squeeze out of Star Wars so far. I think that what Marvel has done has fit their source material well. Maybe comic books just lend themselves better to that kind of pace but even one Star Wars movie per year is tiresome and seems like it never goes away. It's almost like the franchise needs that time in between films to build up anticipation for the next one. I know they throw "Episode ___" in front of the main series films but really the Marvel movies are much more like true episodes than Star Wars.

Re:Nope

[Layzej]

Plus he rides a space dinosaur in his 1978 debut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Re:Standalone movie?

[Nidi62]

Supposedly that is coming after the finish up the current trilogy. Knowing the way Hollywood writes, it will probably just be a Star Wars version of Indiana Jones. Just replace the Nazis with the Empire and the Ark of the Covenant with an ancient Jedi artifact.

The problem is:

[Anonymous Coward]

His backstories already got fleshed out in the extended universe 20 years ago. Him, Solo, Calrissian, Dengar, Bossk, many major and minor character from the movies have at least one original story book on them. Some of them have trilogies. And that is not including one shots done for West End Games, or the various short story anthologies (including Boba Fett's origin story as being an exile from a planet where rule of law meant everything and his violent and messy tendencies lead him down the path of the bounty hunter. And the fact that other than the suit of 'scout armor' he was in no way related to the Mandalorians.)

Honestly, everything produced since the new millenium has been shit as far as Star Wars was concerned because people whose entire living was writing pulp 'science fiction/fantasy' had already fleshed it all out better than the Lucas properties ever did or could. Despite having dozens of people writing stories, there was far less retconning needed with the extended universe than just the prequels made necessary against ACTUAL STATEMENTS IN THE ORIGINAL MOVIES. Everything since has basically been a fuck you to the fans that allowed star wars to remain in the public consciousness while popularizing it in the same way as the comics have been: endless reboots and no real continuity to the characters other than rough archetypes or backstories and new actors every few years as they iterate.

Also: Ralph McQuarrie and the wizards who did props and effects had far more of an impact than Lucas, who just cribbed 'The Hidden Fortress' made it less japanesy then marketed it to an American audience, just like Disney did with Kimba the White Lion.

Great Anthology Idea would be....

[Discgolferusa]

I think they should do a film adaptation of the plot from the Force Awakens video games. Show how the remaining stragglers from the Jedi order were hunted down. Maybe throw in a plot to assassinate the emperor into the mix.

So what are your ideas for a good anthology movie?

Boba only had a Couple Scenes?

[dwillden]

So we just ignore the Prequels and Clone Wars? Those weren't tossed as cannon.

Re:Boba only had a Couple Scenes?

[Weaselmancer]

Prequels? What do you mean? There weren't any prequels. I didn't hear anything about any prequels and I certainly didn't see any prequels. I don't know what you're talking about. No sir. That would be as bad of an idea as Highlander sequels. Which didn't happen and I didn't see either. So yeah, no idea what you're talking about.

Re:Boba only had a Couple Scenes?

[Dragonslicer]

Prequels? What do you mean? There weren't any prequels. I didn't hear anything about any prequels and I certainly didn't see any prequels. I don't know what you're talking about. No sir. That would be as bad of an idea as Highlander sequels. Which didn't happen and I didn't see either. So yeah, no idea what you're talking about.

You know what movie they should have made a sequel to? The Matrix. It would have been so awesome if they had made a sequel to The Matrix.

Re:Boba only had a Couple Scenes?

[dwillden]

Ya got me there, Add those rumored prequels, and the rumored Matrix Sequels to the rumored Movie adaptation of Starship Troopers as movies that don't exist.

(But Boba still had appearances in the Clone Wars series).

Backstory

[bigdavex]

Almost everything prequel seems to disregard the purpose of backstory.

In Empire, Darth Vader says to the group of bounty hunters, but specifically Boba Fett, "No disintegrations." That's a great part of the scene, because it makes the audience wonder about a thing that happened off screen. Real people make references to events that have happened in the past.

The purpose of backstory is to make the universe feel real and exciting. It's not to create hooks for prequel material. So if they're going to fill in all the missing pieces in this backstory, they need to create (or at least imply) more backstory or else the magic collapses: it beomces just a movie, not a fictional universe.

Overkill

[sycodon]

overkill
vrkil/
noun
1.excessive use, treatment, or action; too much of something.

Disney owns it now

[Weaselmancer]

There will be a movie about power droid before they're done.

Boba Fett? Where?

[rjejr]

That was all they needed to make a movie, a cultural tagline. I's like somebody making a movie of the Energizer Bunny of the Where's the Beef lady, if either of those were an intergalactic bounty hunter. No different than all of those movies based on SNL skits. Gotta be better than McGruber.

Re:another spin off?

[jellomizer]

But that is what we want to see.
Real life is complex they are no pure good guys and bad guys. There are just people doing things that I think they should be doing and doing things I think they shouldn't be doing and they are other people who thinks what they are doing in different ways.

A simple plot, written with likable characters paced at a good speed is often what we want after having to deal with the complexities of real life.

When life is good and little conflict going on then the more complex films are what people want to see because their lives are so easy and boring, being exposed to more mind expanding ideas and complex relationships is more appealing.

Normally you see a inverse relationship with movie complexities and the state of the culture.

So? What.

[frank_adrian314159]

It will be a stupid boring rehash like the last three or four. Disney doesn't just milk the franchise - it uses the whole cow. Until you're sick of seeing it.

Marvel Universe, Star Wars? Come on. Just too much of the same. In the end you burn out everyone and your "blockbuster" becomes "Oh is that the latest Disney piece of crap?"

Re:Nope

[GoTeam]

I watched the entire hour and a half long special without the aid of drugs or alcohol. I'm not sure if that is a badge of honor or a sign of mental illness...

Will it have Tem

[rossdee]

In AOC Temuera Morrison played Jenga Fett, Boba's 'Father' (and clones)

Will he be in this new movie?

Solo, Boba, yet still missing the gaping hole

[yodleboy]

What I want to see is the gap between Empire and Jedi where Luke becomes a full Jedi. He's a whining, one handed Jedi wanna be at the end of Empire. At the start of Jedi, he's a bad ass in black pants. What exactly happened? How long did it take? Did he have to complete "the trials"? What the hell are those anyway?
 
Yes, I'm sure this is explored in the countless books and comics, but I think it deserves a movie.

Re:Solo, Boba, yet still missing the gaping hole

[HeckRuler]

Would you accept an actor that wasn't Mark Hamill? How did you like Solo's character in the latest?

Re:Solo, Boba, yet still missing the gaping hole

[yodleboy]

If he looked reasonably like Hamill I'd be ok with it. The new Star Trek character are not perfect matches, but they are very convincing.

Re:Nope

[JaredOfEuropa]

The guys who made that most certainly did NOT do so without the aid of drugs or alcohol. Watch the scene with princess Leia taking a video call: Fisher is clearly stoned out of her gourd, which kind of is the only rational way to cope with this... whatever it is. Also I didn't need to see Chewie's dad get off on virtual porn... The Rifftrax version is hilarious though.

Re:another spin off?

[JaredOfEuropa]

The entire franchise is childish good vs. evil, sort of. What of it? And while The Force Awakens was derivative and something of a disappointment, I thought the Last Jedi was ok and was pleasantly surprised by Rogue One.

No new ideas at all in Hollywood?

[biggaijin]

The first Star Wars movie was released over 40 (yes, forty!) years ago, targeted for 10-year-olds, mainly. It was popular beyond anyone's dreams or expectations, so of course the businessmen in Hollywood copied it. They copied it over and over again, in a seemingly endless series of sequels that are increasingly unrelated to the original movie. The latest Star Wars sequel, Solo, is now showing signs that the public is bored with the series, with very low initial revenue numbers.

Doesn't anyone in Hollywood have any new ideas? I, for one, am sick of the endless sequels like these. Even worse are the remakes of popular movies from the past. Sorry, Hollywood, Steve Martin does not compare well to Spencer Tracy in all those remakes he cranked out. Also quite a letdown are the movies that dramatize comic books of 50 years ago like the Ironman and Spiderman movies. I'm ready for something new.

Re:Oh you poor cupcake!

[Dripdry]

well at least you've got one part of the "Sad, Mad, Glad" exercise down that the therapist recommended. Keep it up!

I'll never forgive Kenner

[neo-mkrey]

for removing the shooting missile function from my Boba Fett action figure.

Mirror-imaged

[Brian Kendig]

Watched the video. I never noticed before that the shots of Boba Fett in Jabba's lair are mirror-imaged - he's suddenly left-handed and the rangefinder is on the left side of his helmet.

Re: another spin off?

[Anonymous Coward]

The entire franchise WAS those things. Now it's just SJW bullshit.

Re:another spin off?

[thegarbz]

Real life is complex they are no pure good guys and bad guys.

Counterpoint: Larry Ellison

Waiting for the Cantina bartender's origin story!

[kimgkimg]

Where will it end? Seems like a dilution of the brand.

Re:Not your father's Star Wars you never, swear

[MightyMartian]

Look, you slap Star Wars on it and even the majority of big fans will go, bitching the whole way. What Disney bought from Lucas was a license to print money.

Boba Fett? Really?

[OneHundredAndTen]

This is a very secondary character in the saga. Do so many really care so much about him that he's deserving of a movie of his own? As a Star Wars fan, I know I do not, and I am not going to pay to watch a movie about him.

Are they going to acknowledge the prequels?

[wonkey_monkey]

As far as I can remember, nothing in any of the films from The Force Awakens really acknowledges the events of the prequels. Is this going to change if this gets made? Will we see a flashback to Attack of the Clones? God I hope not...

Re:Not your father's Star Wars you never, swear

[terrycarlino]

Obviously only in the U.S. Both The Last Jedi and Solo bombed in China. Solo has already opened there and it made $1M since opening. I know that unlike Marvel, Star Wars isn't a thing in China, but the Last Jedi closed after 2 weeks and I bet Solo won't even make it that long. That's an international failure.

The number of scene's he's in isn't relevent.

[maxcelcat]

What matters is how interesting the character is. Boba is morally ambiguous and has obviously had a lot of adventures. Plenty of scope there for a whole movie. You could even slip in some cameos from Darth Vadar. Bounty Hunter Scum: A Star Wars movie.