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Game Company Receives Complaints About Bad Example Set By '%FEMALENAME' (kotaku.com)
ArenaNet narrative designer Jessica Price was fired last week after she accused a Twitter user of "mansplaining", and adding later "Don't expect me to pretend to like you here." (Her employer characterized this as "attacks on the community.")
So what happened in the week that followed? An anonymous reader writes: A Reddit user indicated he'd been speaking satirically when he posted that "We can probably fire anyone on the GW2 dev team as long we make a big enough stink," and expressed surprise later that no one had disagreed with him. But another female developer told Kotaku she saw a real call to action on 4chan, and that it was followed by angry letters to the game studio she freelances for calling for her firing too, complaining their games had declined since she was hired (along with another woman). The letters also complained her Twitter account set "a bad example for the letter-writer's children, who supposedly play this game." The company's CEO received "a three-digit number's" worth of angry letters -- though "Fifty or so of them glitched out with a lot of variables exposed, including %FEMALENAME."
"A deeper look at the names and emails associated with the letters went to Facebook bot profiles and people whose profiles indicated associations with Gamergate or 4chan," reports Kotaku -- and Brianna Wu made a similar charge on Twitter last week, citing research by a team of volunteers. "The overwhelming majority of people harassing Jessica Price today on Twitter are bots and sock puppets. These are throwaway accounts that are used as toys. Almost no one claiming to be upset is an established, normal Twitter user." The Verge reports that Wu monitored Jessica Price's account, and found harassment "as bad as she's ever seen," blocking at least 600 different accounts.
Another female narrative designer at Arkane Studios says her employer was messaged with a complaint that she'd "verbally abused" a Twitter user -- and discovered a (since-deleted) online petition calling for her firing. And an angry message was also sent to Opaque Space (collaborating with NASA on VR games and training), complaining the company should take responsibility for the "man hating ideals...spread through social media accounts" by their game design lead. "I know MANY people like me, especially women, who have frequent experience with people calling for their employers to fire them for speaking up, speaking out," she posted on Twitter.
The latest furor began with an accusation of mansplaining which a YouTube streamer defended as "my obvious attempt at creating dialogue and discussion", calling it "disheartening" that Jessica Price didn't "correct me in my false assumptions."
So what happened in the week that followed? An anonymous reader writes: A Reddit user indicated he'd been speaking satirically when he posted that "We can probably fire anyone on the GW2 dev team as long we make a big enough stink," and expressed surprise later that no one had disagreed with him. But another female developer told Kotaku she saw a real call to action on 4chan, and that it was followed by angry letters to the game studio she freelances for calling for her firing too, complaining their games had declined since she was hired (along with another woman). The letters also complained her Twitter account set "a bad example for the letter-writer's children, who supposedly play this game." The company's CEO received "a three-digit number's" worth of angry letters -- though "Fifty or so of them glitched out with a lot of variables exposed, including %FEMALENAME."
"A deeper look at the names and emails associated with the letters went to Facebook bot profiles and people whose profiles indicated associations with Gamergate or 4chan," reports Kotaku -- and Brianna Wu made a similar charge on Twitter last week, citing research by a team of volunteers. "The overwhelming majority of people harassing Jessica Price today on Twitter are bots and sock puppets. These are throwaway accounts that are used as toys. Almost no one claiming to be upset is an established, normal Twitter user." The Verge reports that Wu monitored Jessica Price's account, and found harassment "as bad as she's ever seen," blocking at least 600 different accounts.
Another female narrative designer at Arkane Studios says her employer was messaged with a complaint that she'd "verbally abused" a Twitter user -- and discovered a (since-deleted) online petition calling for her firing. And an angry message was also sent to Opaque Space (collaborating with NASA on VR games and training), complaining the company should take responsibility for the "man hating ideals...spread through social media accounts" by their game design lead. "I know MANY people like me, especially women, who have frequent experience with people calling for their employers to fire them for speaking up, speaking out," she posted on Twitter.
The latest furor began with an accusation of mansplaining which a YouTube streamer defended as "my obvious attempt at creating dialogue and discussion", calling it "disheartening" that Jessica Price didn't "correct me in my false assumptions."
I know MANY people like me, especially women, who have frequent experience with people calling for their employers to fire them for speaking up, speaking out
Yeah, #metoo
Is anyone really surprised that identity politics only lead to more and broader generalized hatred?
How many troll armies have been unleashed on the United States, trying to stir up dissent and unrest using tactics like these?
She was fire for insulting the clients, she was not hire to speak garbage in twitter.
These days, it doesn't matter which group you're in, there will be a group targetting you. Be it scammers, hate groups, or trolls. The more you reveal about yourself, your beliefs, and your work... the more you'll be torn into. Also, uninformed people telling you how to do your job has always existed. It very rarely leads to any improvement and instead usually distracts. It all comes down to how you respond. Lashing out on social media just ensures logs exist. Don't give these people ammunition to use against you. Do not encourage them with a response. 'Do not feed the trolls' is a saying for a reason.
These tactics are bad and evil when used by one side, but when the forces of social justice band together to get conservatives silenced or fired, it's ok?
Seems to me they don't like the taste of their own medicine.
P.S. Are you really sure you want to make this woman your test case? I mean, seriously.
The dude was perfectly polite in his question. She just went off on him because she obviously knows better as SHE is the dev and he's just a player, that she's doesn't have to explain why he's so wrong that warrants her going off on him and basically called him sexist for bringing her gender into the mix(which he NEVER did, she assumed it herself, it was NEVER a gender issue yet she keeps on repeating it was.)
This whole thing is ridiculous and all stemmed from that one awful dev, the same one who said she was glad Totalbiscuit was dead (you may not like him, but ffs, that's not something you say about someone that died of cancer and wasn't a criminal).
It was never a mansplaining or a gender issue, the gender of the dev was never bought into this other than by herself to "justify" her actions.
She deserved to be fired, this is no way to conduct yourself. A dev online is like a clerk in a store, you represent your company regardless of whether or not you put a disclaimer saying "the views expressed here are your own and bla bla bla".
Don't like it? Don't respond, simple as that. No one forced her to reply to him in such a manner.
If you talk on your private account exclusively about private matters, I can very well see how your views expressed there are yours and yours alone. I doubt your employer (or people caring about who you work for) is bothered by you not liking your pet's doctor because your pooch still got worms after alleged de-worming or you trash talking your kids' elementary teacher 'cause that's the only possibility your genius offspring gets Fs.
It's VERY different when your "private" account talks about work related stuff and your followers are more likely than not following you because of your twitter talking near exclusively about your work.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I regularly see %FEMALENAME in spam Subject and From lines. Obviously a better lure than %MALENAME. So it's possibly an edit of a spam template.
Anything that is merely being said, and not experienced by my own senses, is not real life. All it does, is make you feel bad, about something that is so far out of your control, that you literally cannot even tell if it is real.
Then I noticed, how much of it actually completely does not exist in my world.
All those "wars"...
raging feminist vs neckbears or whatever
americans vs russians
refugees vs nazis
christians vs muslims
you name it.
They were just not happening in *real life*.
This is why the US military forced German civilians to bury bodies in concentration camps after WW2. So that they could experience it with their own senses. It seems that, prior to that, they were all big fans of your philosophy.
Understood? Fucking SJW gaming press got trolled by someone claiming it was Reddit who got the rude bitch fired and then propagated that fake news out in their articles. When it became evident they got trolled (none wrote any retractions, btw), they then try and backtrack and "look into it deeper" to blame it on 4chan or gamergate. They fucking made the whole shit storm up.
No need to speculate. They discussed doing it openly on 4chan. They always do.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Just because you have a vagina doesn't mean you can be a jerk without retribution.
"They" being who, exactly? You realize that everyone on 4chan is anonymous right? Even if you actually had seen such conversations (and I don't for a minute believe that you had) "they" could very well been the exact hoaxers that he was talking about.
Worse, he gave *positive* encouraging feedback. Exactly the type companies want. I say, "He" but the name doesn't indicate male or female. Perhaps she ranted at a women for all I know. Either way it was bad. Then she double down on it publicly on Reddit, and it became a much much worse, a big problem for the company, to the extent they couldn't ignore it.
And she got fired, the CEO explained to her personally why, and she took that even badly, suggesting he sacked her personally to gloat. When I read it, that he thought highly enough to sack her personally, and explain why.
Serious personality issues.
As to the rest of this shit:
"But another female developer told Kotaku she saw a real call to action on 4chan, and that it was followed by angry letters to the game studio she freelances for calling for her firing too, complaining their games had declined since she was hired (along with another woman)."
A targetted letter aimed at a particular woman, yet supposidly a generic template with %FEMALENAME in the template as if its a generic letter sent about all women to every studio?
And %FEMALENAME, not just %NAME?? The word 'FEMALE" in there to back up the agenda claim. That doesn't ring true, and a google search does nothing to back it.
So I think this is just bullshit.
Jessica Price could be *Jeffry* Price for all it matters, he would still need to be sacked for that behavior.
"Was only speaking Satirically" = "It's just a joke, lighten up". The classic capper to a round of bullying, trying to delegitimize the grievances of the bullied.
Could this thing be re-written so that it makes a bit more sense? Its like several disjointed story lines melded into an incoherent whole.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
No, the answer is 0): STOP USING TWITTER
How dumb is it to get in text based public flamefests limited to short sentences? The only thing profiting are companies like Twitter who call it "engagement", which drives up ad revenue. Just stop using Twitter for anything. If you really have to use it, use it for entertainment. So called "social media" is not a place for serious discussion - especially not Twitter! The fact that our President uses it is outrageous enough. Just stop using it. Nothing good comes out of it, unless you are a Twitter shareholder.
The topic of discussion and the depth and quality of the subsequent commentary gives me great hope for the future. My hope is that arthropods are back at the top of the food chain again. And the way this discussion and ecological changes are going, they have a good chance. I for one hail our new lobster overlords.
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well documented and understood
According to the most biased and least trustworthy sources. Kotaku, Chapotraphouse, Brianna Wu. That's the holy trinity of liars, misrepresenters and professional victims. Throw in the Verge and Eurogamer for even more onesided bias and it becomes a big fat nothing burger.
There are two distinct parts to this story. One is that Jessica Price verbally abused and denigrated a fan, for which she was fired (and a male colleague who doubled down on that went along for the ride, which no one seems to talk about). The second part of the story is the mob reaction and ugly, sexist bullshit that was triggered in reaction to her own behavior, and unfortunately spilled over onto other targets as well. There are a lot of idiots who glom onto events like these and use them to launch personal attacks against people. Women do seem especially likely targets for them, but make no mistake - anyone can be a target.
We have to keep in mind that it was Ms Price who was the instigator of this series of events through her own actions. Or rather, her over-reaction to a fan's innocent response to her piece. She somehow took that response and interpreted it in the worst possible way, and lashed out at him in public, multiple times. Did she deserve the overwhelming hate and bile that was spewed her way? No, of course not, but let's be clear: she absolutely fired the first shots in that nasty little exchange. She was not fired for "speaking out" on women's issues. She was fired for treating a fan like garbage in public.
Are women exempt from the rules other professional game developers are expected to follow? Had I lambasted a game's fan with which I was professionally associated and called him a "rando asshat" in a public forum, I'd absolutely expect to be fired. I don't believe for a minute that ArenaNet simply caved to mob pressure. And the notion that game development studios are going to suddenly start listening to and acting on random hate-mail complaints because ArenaNet fired Price for inappropriate comments feels beyond absurd to me. In fact, in the examples given, the studios took clear stands to protect their female devs from harassment, but concerns were expressed about "other studios", of course.
Let's certainly work to foster more civility between developers and fans as we can, and that includes standing up for women when they're harassed simply for being women in a public role. But this story has a bit more nuance to it than that, and I don't think it's helpful to pretend that nuance doesn't really exist and focus only on half the story.
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It was equally well documented back in the day that many actions pinned on GamerGate were suspicious or even outright faked, and that didn't stop the press from taking them at face value. Best example being the Felicia Day doxing, where an address was posted by an account with a misspelled name of a notable Youtuber, which was never confirmed to even be hers, but it was spread all over the news within 24 hours that GamerGaters had doxxed her.
These reporters are like a feminist Fox Mulder, they want to believe the misogyny is out there so badly, all you need is some cheap smoke and mirrors to lead them down whatever rabbit hole you want. Is it any surprise there are trolls eager to pull their strings for laughs? You can call them part of GamerGate too if that makes you feel better, but that doesn't change the fact that the press are being useful idiots and gullable fools.
Some idiot brings gender into a discussion on the internet. We don't hate you because you're a woman, we hate you because you're trying to get in our face about being a woman. On the internet. Where you aren't a woman. You're a collection of bytes. Bytes don't have a gender. So shut the fuck up already.
Employers need to stop bending over and letting the mob fuck them in the ass
Maybe we should tell James Damore that?
That's a very long post about Price, but she lost her job and bares no responsibly for the mob that used her firing to instigate an attack on other random women.
The real problem here is not one person who was punished for some rude tweets, it's we have a mob attacking people because of their gender. It's important to publicize it and develop countermeasures so that there are not more victims.
It would also be great if we could understand the people behind this and their motivations. Some people want to write it off as general trolling, like it's some innate property of the internet that just happens spontaneously, but there is a years old pattern of attacks on women specifically with deeply misogynistic motivations.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
When feminists started the "mob attacking people because of their gender" bullshit with Adria Richards and various other Twitter crusades against employed people, the other side also took up the tactic against the feminists. The world is balanced, the heavens are fair, for every action there is a reaction. The heavens don't tolerate women waging war against men or men waging war against women, so they will pit the warmongers against each other - Feminists vs MRA's, while the average majority of normal people with normal lives will look at both and see a bunch of raving idiots with accelerated aging induced by constant triggerades and easy offense (turns out being easily offended means you are on the fast track towards grey hair and wrinkles). Yet again, the heavens are fair.
I have been following this since it started. I have yet to see any evidence whatsoever of the '%FEMALENAME' letters that are being referenced in blogs, social media, etc. Until I see a pastebin, photocopy, or something published by an actual company who received it, I'm filing that under "shit-that-never-happened".
The facts in this that we KNOW to be true are as follows. 1: Price received some feedback she didn't like. 2: She got offended over nothing and reacted badly. 3: She and a colleague were fired.
In the real world, a business' bread-and-butter are its customers. (This is doubly true for entertainment related businesses) Treat them badly, and your business suffers. Treat them badly a lot and do it publicly, it suffers seriously. GW2 was hemorrhaging players already and Ms. Price's writing was likely playing a part. I uninstalled it about 6 months ago myself after playing for years.
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Seeing how many of them were springing up to defend price, and seeing how easy it is for anybody, male, female, whichever , to set up a fake email campaign and make it look like a badly organized MRA thing, and we know that both side at some point not only boasted they were doxing the other side, but some troll also boasted he made both side fight harder... I am watching such pretend campaign with a wary eye. It could be male incel idiot trully wanting to fire female, it could be troll seeing the great way to shit everywhere and make people reacts, or it could be feminist seeing a great occasion to muck things up by pretending being MRA sending letter. Who knows ? Nobody unless you really catch the one doing it and check what was their reason for it.
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She couldâ(TM)ve agreed to disagree professionally and left it at that. Ignored further inquiries or insults. But no, sheâ(TM)s a triggered child and had to lash out as a representative of her company.
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The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
It's great that you've managed to reduce massive numbers of humanity into broad caricatures which you can hate unreservedly. Such attitudes never turn out badly.
'Jessica Price was fired last week after she accused a Twitter user of "mansplaining"' No she wasn't forced for "mansplaining": ref:
'After a long AMA on the Guild Wars 2 Reddit, Jessica Price; a writer for ArenaNet, went on to Twitter to post a 25-part essay on how she comes up with stories, and what is relevant as far as stories in todays MMO's. (Very rough synopsis, quite a good read.)
After posting the essay, many community members chimed in to thank Price on sharing her views, and how insightful the read was, with one very popular community member; who has his own NPC inside of Guild Wars 2, commenting on the essay hoping to be able to start a civil and polite conversation with, one of his favorite writers. (He denotes this in his Twitch stream before the Twitter debacle)
The attempt however at starting a polite and civil conversation with the ArenaNet Writer, ended in Price slandering and defaming the community member as a sexist who is trying to mans-plain the job to her, even after the community member apologized for trying to start a civil conversation. (Community member posted a total of 2 Replys to Price, the first being the initial polite conversation starter, the second the apology for attempting communication.)
The next day on July 5th (This all occurred on July 4th), ArenaNet's CEO Mike O' Brian released a statement on a Guild Wars 2 Reddit post stating that Jessica Price and another ArenaNet member have been fired for harassment of an community member, when no such harassment was necessary.'
Yes, I absolutely agree that people who are using this as an excuse to attack other random women are an issue. Perhaps I didn't emphasize that point clearly enough. If you don't mind, I'll quote myself to re-iterate that point, because I think we're mostly in agreement:
The second part of the story is the mob reaction and ugly, sexist bullshit that was triggered in reaction to her own behavior, and unfortunately spilled over onto other targets as well. There are a lot of idiots who glom onto events like these and use them to launch personal attacks against people. Women do seem especially likely targets for them, but make no mistake - anyone can be a target.
But I've also seen a disturbing narrative that seems to be blaming ArenaNet for their firing of Price and Fries, which was completely justified IMO, and speculating that this is going to trigger some dramatic sea-change in the industry, where the mob can just pick any dev (especially female), and simply call for their firing.
As far as I've seen, game companies have not kowtowed to these idiotic and unjustified harassment of their female devs, instead, swiftly coming to their defense. From my perspective from someone inside the game industry, that's actually the response I'd expect, rather than the reverse. I say that because most game devs are actually pretty socially tolerant and consider themselves supporters of efforts to make a more equitable society. Our industry has a higher percentage of women than more programmer-focused tech fields, because we also employ a lot of writers, designers, artists, animators, etc, which have a more proportional representation than among just programmers (female programmers remain astoundingly rare). And as you might expect, we have a lot of very... interesting people in this industry, so I think most game devs, or at least ones I know personally, tend to be pretty tolerant of others as a rule.
So, my concern is that we not rush to scapegoat anyone in the game industry for a problem which I don't feel will truly manifest in the long term. I believe these were just "copycat attacks" of a sort that were riding on the coat-tails of an ugly mob reaction to the ArenaNet/Price issue. I'm not trying to downplay them, just view them in their proper context. I wish I had a good answer to solve this problem, but I at least don't want to see the debate travel down a narrative path which seems to pit the game industry against women, when in fact, the opposite seems true - at least from the limits of my perspective.
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That's a very long post about Price, but she lost her job and bares no responsibly for the mob that used her firing to instigate an attack on other random women.
"Bears", and while she's not responsible for the mob's actions, certainly her actions (and not her being) turn out to have been the trigger for a mob of idiots to go on harassing other women. While I don't condone any of this, it's fairly clear why it happened: Someone threw oil on what turns out to have been a smoldering fire. And now it burns. Whoops.
It's a bit like dropping a smoldering cigarette butt in a dry forest. Many times it'll just go out. Sometimes, even if you stamp it out then walk away, might still cause the entire forest to burn down. If you know the forest is dry, even lighting up a ciggie there is criminally irresponsible. (Hard to grasp concept for some. How about you?)
The real problem here is not one person who was punished for some rude tweets,
For some identity politics-flavoured toxic tweets. It was well beyond mere rudeness. Which explains (but doesn't justify, thanks) the counter-trolling. But I see you mostly post to make your spin stick. Again, "oh, it's AmiMoJo again. Oh well."
it's we have a mob attacking people because of their gender.
That's actually not quite correct. The mob is trolling to see if they can get people fired, which happens to be aimed at females because the trigger happens to be female. If she'd been male then the barrage of bot-complaints would've been against male game designers. I know it's not on your agenda to admit this, but I'll point it out to you anyway.
It's important to publicize it and develop countermeasures so that there are not more victims.
Knowing what's going on ought to be enough. If your employer would fire you without first talking through the complaints then you're better off not working for that employer. In an internet age employers cannot afford to let their valuable human capital up and vanish because some random troll sent a truckload of automated complaints over, well, nothing. If they succumb, the company eventually succumbs.
It would also be great if we could understand the people behind this and their motivations. Some people want to write it off as general trolling, like it's some innate property of the internet that just happens spontaneously, but there is a years old pattern of attacks on women specifically with deeply misogynistic motivations.
Go hang out on 4chan and report your findings, there's a good little researcher.
To be clear: 4chan has "a years old pattern of attacks" against just about anyone, everyone, regardless of any single thing. They'll hate you just so they have an excuse to hate you, until their attention span runs out and then they'll hate something else for a while.
Again, not on your agenda to admit it, but 4chan's history is pretty clear to just about everyone else here.
It's sometimes hard to take these "threats" seriously, especially coming from someone like Brianna Wu, who has proven record of blatantly launched fake attacks against herself before to make herself look like a victim (she has a very long history of this, too). She's probably be right that these are sock puppets and bot accounts, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if they're owned by her. And her "proof" is posts on 4chan, a site where everyone posts anonymously? Come on, son. That's some seriously weak shit right there, even by her standards.
"None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license." --John Milton
On 4chan, "they" can even be a single person discussing with himself. It's a standard tool in the trolling toolbox.
(We presumably see that sometimes here too, with AC account(s).)
I'm assuming you're in your 40s. Maybe 50s or 60s. The reason why there was no gender was it was 99% white guys. The reason for that is, well, there weren't a lot of minorities in technology because especially 20-30 years ago (especially if you're old enough to remember BBS) minorities were in even worse shape than they were today and they didn't have a lot of access to tech, especially the expensive tech from the 90s (anyone remember building a 486 DX100 in 1995 for $400+ and being amazed at how "cheap" it was?). As for women, well, the places I hung out weren't exactly friendly to them. Lots of "Locker room" talk; which to be blunt was mostly thinly veiled misogyny from nerds (which I'm embarrassed to say my younger self took part in).
/.) are full of bitter old coots like me and, well, we're just not as much fun to be around.
Tech got cheap. Really cheap. Like, I can get a laptop online for about $100. $250 if I want a nice new one. $50 if I'll settle for a desktop. Also, the internet became a global communication tool and software was written to get non-nerds online. Finally, the old nerd caves (like
On the plus side you've got a _lot_ more folks online. A lot of those folks are helpful and good folks. I've been able to do tons of projects thanks to them.
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they're typically well known people at game studios. What's more, the ones in this story are being targeted for their gender. They're not just a collection of bytes. They're not anonymous /. posters. They're employees at a company expected to function in a customer service role. They can't "shut the fuck up". It's literally their job to engage with and talk with the community. The only way they can "shut the fuck up" is if they leave the industry, which, well, seems to be the goal here....
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to address inequality? Racism and Sexism really are things. It's not like we've eliminated them completely from human thought and we can just go on our way. Just having laws against racial and sexual discrimination is technically 'identity politics'. Sure, you can take it too far (there's lots of whack jobs on the left and the right wing media spends an unhealthy amount of time reminding us of them) but when somebody's a racist or sexist you don't stop pointing out they're racist or sexist just because a few whack jobs want to cut everybody's dicks off.
Well, we pointed out that Jessica Price was sexist. What more do you want?
This article actually leaves in sufficient facts to contradict the narrative.
The reason that the reddit user "speaking satirically" comes up is that Polygon was pretending they had found someone who actually believed that, but Polygon accidentally linked to the post where he admits his post was fake. This demonstrates that Polygon knew that the post they linked to was a fake post from their own side, but they deliberately used it anyway as clickbait.
Furthermore, the claim that "nobody disagreed with him" is a voted into the negatives and deleted. Voting things down is often used to express disagreement.
The slashdot post is written poorly because it's trying to avoid admitting these things, because "the supposed misogyny among gamers is a false flag operation" contradicts the narrative.
These people are "the left" as much as the kkk is "the right".
Nobody likes these people and all her friends who also get harassment are fellow internet warriors.
No one knew or cared WHAT you were, just WHO you were.
Actually, I always got the sense that nobody cared who you were, just that your ideas were good ones. In the early days of Slashdot, there were a lot of really smart people commenting on the stories with a lot of interesting insight to add. Now, every third post seems to be by an AC with a IQ of 80 who feels a need to share their opinion with the world. Articles about quantum computing end up degenerating into Hillary and Trump mud slinging fights. Oh, Intranets.....
The Internet really went downhill in the 90s when companies like AoL were trying to get everyone in the world online for $14.95 a month. Now the Internet is a pretty good reflection of humanity in general, and it shows.
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The solution is to actually pursue equality, and accept that equality of opportunity does not guarantee equality of outcome. *That* is the problem people are having with progressives/SJWs; they clearly don't stand for equality, they want special treatment; to switch who gets the privelege. You can see that in such fantastic claims like "Why color-blind meritocracy is a tool of white supremacy", never willing to address the origins of the inequality, just claiming it's racism and sexism and trying to enforce it at the end by giving special treatment. Setting up justice systems where only what the women feels matters, evidence and elements of crime be damned-- Title IX kangaroo courts, allowing expert witnesses in real courts that literally say 'the womens lies prove she's telling the truth". Turning simple, obvious truths like "men and women may be biologically predisposed to different career preferences" into 'burn the heretics who dare say that', but only ever complaining about white collar, highly paid jobs-- never about the lack of women in waste management or oil rigging-- somehow I don't think it's sexism that's keeping them out of those fields.
All of that is standard progressive/SJW ideology, and it's very alienating to the rest of the left who just want equality. And just watch as this comment gets modded into oblivion for daring to point it out,
I work as a teacher... As such, I have some restrictions on what I can do outside my work... and I never had to sign any document about that...
1) no racist attacks (even if the people in front of me act racist, I CAN'T answer in the same terms) ...)
2) no talks against my school... Even if I see problems with some coworkers, I can't make random posts about it.
3) no talks about coworkers in front of students (the big taboo)
4) no "unrespectable behaviour"... this includes being seen drunk in the public space, unfit clothing (no SM-wear in the street or nazi costume or
and so on...
I guess that requirements imposed on teachers are bigger than those on gaming company... but clearly, what she posted is unacceptable... She was not on the internet as "Jane Doe" but as "Jessica Price, writer at Arena.Net"... As such, she had only two choices : politely avoiding the conflict or blocking the guy and ignoring him...
And now, we see people getting pissed off because she got fired... she deserved it... If she can't control her temper online, she should avoid posting !!!
Kinda. My great-aunt was a German Red Cross nurse during WW2, and had occasion to help one or two Jews who were being transported in trains to concentration camps. She knew they were being rounded and were being taken to a prison somewhere, but she didn't know of what was being done to them. From her perspective they were all POWs, and very hungry and sick, but that was it.
I should point out her family was anti-Nazi. Her father, my great-great-father, had ordered her to enter the Red Cross so that she wouldn't be forced to attend Nazi Youth, and insisted she kept her knowledge of Portuguese. They were late 1920's German immigrants to Brazil who really liked it here, and they were visiting Germany when the war broke out, being forced to stay there. That was so effective that, once the Americans took over, she began working for the US military base set up closest to their home.
So, yeah. Some might have know, probably those who lived closest to concentration camps, but for the majority, including the most antisemitic among them, it was all a huge question mark.
Conservatism: (n.) love of the existing evils. Liberalism: (n.) desire to substitute new evils for the existing ones.
Please don't.
Slashdot is one of the few sites that doesn't delete unwanted posts. That means we get spam, but it also means we don't have posts that are deemed 'unwanted' simply because they are confronting.
None of these posts appear at +1. Most are modded to -1. Set your viewing threshhold to 0 or +1 and they will disappear. So will a lot of other A/C posts, like yours, but then, perhaps you should take advantage of the systems already in place, rather than calling for a campaign to modify an existing system so that it's more to your liking.
I'd prefer to put up with some spam than to see yet another site have to have editors making choices about what is and isn't wanted.
You'd probably make better arguments if you actually knew what you're talking about.
The Nazi party never got more than just shy of 44% of the votes, many of which gave them their vote for about the same reason that people voted for Trump; "democracy is a failure, the elite is robbing us", yadda, yadda.
"But I've seen the documentaries" I hear you say. Sure buddy, but filming or taking photos in Germany under Nazi rule without authorisation would land you in hot water in record time. Verboten, indeed. So, those "documentaries" you've seen, who took the pictures you've seen in the documentaries? The Nazis. You've been watching Nazi propaganda, with a modern day narrator.
Especially interesting is that, even despite it over time getting increasingly obvious that membership of the party would be highly socially and professionally beneficial, sometimes even necessary, the Nazi party never had more than 8 million members. Only two of those joining before 1933.
Germany being full of hardcore Nazis is a myth and your "argument" does nothing but illustrate your own ignorance and willingness to accept propaganda as truth.
I understand where you're coming from, but I'd wager that far more knew than didn't.
I think people knew Jews and other people were being imprisoned by the government, and many were most certainly in favor of this given how prevalent antisemitism was. What I don't think they knew, though, was that some of the concentration camps those prisoners were being sent to were actually extermination camps. Given most concentration camps were "just" that, not having a focus on extermination, that also meant that, while those living near them knew of them, and of how badly prisoners were treated, they didn't know of the few mass extermination ones.
Take your US example: while most Americans were certainly aware people of Japanese ancestry were being rounded up and sent to concentration camps, few, if any, thought the US government was exterminating those prisoners, and they were correct in that assumption. In the case of the Nazi government, most Germans were certainly taken by surprise when they came to know, from the Allies, what had been happening.
Had the Nazis been victorious, or at the very minimum had they signed a peace treaty instead of having had to surrender unconditionally, and kept governing Germany and Nazi-occupied areas, and the extermination camps would have continued to operate until all the people the Nazis wanted exterminated had been exterminated, then destroyed so as to erase any evidence, and news about that would have been uncovered only several decades later.
"I was shocked... all of these Germans everywhere and not a single nazi! Everyone of them claimed they'd never known what was going on and never agreed with what the nazis did. They insisted they were never part of the party. Hell, you could smell the camps from town. There was no way they couldn't know they were there".
Ah! But that's easy to understand. My great-aunt told me that when it became clear to the population the Allies would win, everyone began rushing to destroy any evidence they themselves had had anything to do with Nazi activities. Some due to fear. Some because they had genuinely had been forced to. My great-aunt, for example, despite her family having been anti-Nazi, had had to collect an album of articles about Hitler as an ongoing school project. She, others like her, and even her actually-Nazi colleagues, all hastily burned theirs down even before news of US troops arriving had been divulged.
And the fear was fear of any military occupation. Men and boys were afraid the occupation forces would kill them for any reason whatsoever, so they hoped that by erasing any trace of Nazi-support they'd slightly increase their chance of survival. Women and girls were afraid the men in their lives would be killed and that afterwards they would be raped and then killed, so they did it with even more intensity than men. When the US occupation forces actually arrived and then acted with honor and nobility, abuse incidents being minimal, that was perceived in shock and then in gratitude, which coupled with all the monetary help explains why Germany got so pro-US in the following years. (By the way, that this was a legitimate fear can be seen in the fact Germans who had had the bad luck of being URSS-occupied suffered exactly those things, including the expected mass rapes.)
And that explains why everyone had "never" been a Nazi.
Conservatism: (n.) love of the existing evils. Liberalism: (n.) desire to substitute new evils for the existing ones.