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YouTube Download Sites Are the Biggest Piracy Threat To Music Industry, Industry Figures Say (independent.co.uk)
Websites dedicated to "stream ripping" music from YouTube represent the biggest threat to the global music business, UK news outlet The Independent reported this week, citing industry figures, who added that that these shady sites are also posing business threat to "fantastic range" of legal streaming services such as Spotify and Apple Music. The report describes the nature of the issue: Sites that allow YouTube videos to be converted into an MP3 file and illegally downloaded to someone's phone or computer are attracting millions of visitors, with estimates suggesting that a third of 16-24-year-olds in the UK have ripped music from the Google-owned platform. Other platforms affected by the illegal ripping sites include DailyMotion, SoundCloud and Vimeo, however YouTube is by far the most pirated. The results of a crackdown that began in 2016 are beginning to be seen, thanks to a coordinated effort by organizations representing record companies in the US and the UK. Earlier this week, stream ripping website MP3Fiber was forced to shut down following legal pressure. However, dozens of sites offering similar services still remain active and are easily accessible through Google, whose search engine provides more than 100 million results for the term "YouTube MP3 converter." The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) said that even referring to the aforementioned questionable websites as "stream ripping" sites is misstating copyright law. "There exists a vast and growing volume of online video that is licensed for free downloading and modification, or contains audio tracks that are not subject to copyright," the EFF told the US Office of the United States Trade Representative last year. "Moreover, many audio extractions qualify as non-infringing fair uses under copyright. Providing a service that is capable of extracting audio tracks for these lawful purposes is itself lawful, even if some users infringe."
If you can hear it, then you can rip it. Get rid of speakers that allow people to hear music and you've beaten piracy.
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Given how the Music publishers and 3rd party parasitic maggots all together rob at least 70% of an artist's profits for themselves; and how Incompetech is one of a myriad of perfect examples that you can get money streaming into your hands even when you have a completely open license for anyone to use his music for free, so long as you have talent which speaks for itself and which people automatically credit everywhere the music appears; and how YouTube has precisely made it possible for many talented artists to break through all thanks to the existing system spreading their works around, that's a big fat stinky load of bullshit. The music industry as a system is the biggest threat to music, to the artists themselves. The MPAA and all other AA's who rob the artists like some extortion mafia running "protection fees" when those mafia are who street workers need protecting from, those are the fucking problem and the cancer, the 3rd party cancer.
this is any different from the Supreme Court ruling in 1984 about using VHS tapes to record TV. This is just the 2018 version of that.
Everybody should be paid until their work fully depreciates. For example, someone gets paid $10/hr to paint a wall. They should continue to receive $10 every hour until the wall needs to be painted again. But the amount can lower over time according to the state of the wall.
That's how it works for "artists" and they are doing well. It should be the same rules for everybody.
... oh, sorry.
The War On Piracy ...
Know what?
Both models work the same, as in not.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
The music industry and the sampled rebroadcast crap they call music for the most part are the biggest danger to the music industry today.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
Hometaping didn't kill music. In fact, it preceded the most profitable era the music industry has ever enjoyed. Take your fucking propaganda and shove it where the sun don't shine.
There once was a time when being a musician was more a profession--than a lottery.
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And why would you use a site when there's nice opensource software for downloading directly?
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That ability to record radio is a serious threat that steals food from the mouths of poor artists. We *must* ban all casette recorders due to this terrible threat. If people can record radio in an unregulated fashion the music industry will die. Sorry I meant to say that if people can dub casette tapes the music industry will die. Erm, I mean if people can record music digitally the music industry will die. *cough* Apologies. I meant that if people can send each other MP3s music will cease to exist. (But is there a pattern? -The music industry is going from strength tk strength FYI)
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Are the Biggest Piracy Threat To Music Industry
You've used that phrase so many times that it's lost all meaning.
Besides, I've consulted with our crack team of honey badgers and we are in unanimous consensus that the music industry is the biggest threat to the music industry.
It's a scientific fact.
The DASH audio opus @160k (format code 251) I download from YT with youtube-dl plays just fine on my Android phone if I rename the file to .ogg. Thanks, Alphabet!
The music industry seems mostly concerned with control (read: metrics and, ultimately, dollars). Funnily enough, the loss of control (Napster.....Youtube, and before that, tapes!) has probably helped them more than it has hurt. Perhaps the best step would be to have a streaming site with an undocumented (but very wink-wink, nudge-nudge) download feature, like Youtube, but run by the RIAA or something similar. Maybe you have to have an account first, or maybe not. Either way, it would provide quality downloads for free (and without malware). It would also give the operators control and metrics about what people are downloading. They could sell these metrics to the legit sites so they know what to push.
They've been whining for decades. What a waste of energy!
This is a further reminder that there has ALWAYS be "free" content for as long as broadcasting has been around. That's longer than there has been paid physical media. If you can watch it for free on YouTube then IT DOESN'T MATTER that you can "record" it. You ALREADY have a payment avoidance mechanism.
It's just like radio. It's just like MTV.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Man has to listen to quality music on the go. But I think piracy stiffens out creativity
If your revenue stream is imperilled by a completely legal and technically simple method of recording content, the obvious action is to sue everyone, and get the laws changed! Next up - mandatory email filters to scan for copyright attachments, and your laptop mic will listen for songs being played so you can be charged a penny everytime you listen to copyright work.
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Napster came out 16 years ago, the music industry is still here and still making money. You can only cry wolf so many times before people start ignoring you.
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It's interesting to see how this has become an issue considering that sites such as Amazon, and Spotify allow you to legally stream music on a per-month fee basis dirt cheap rather than having to buy music, or even download it.
Everyone else understands that new technology comes with advantages and disadvantages. But the new technology is preferred because the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. Only the music and movie industries don't seem to get this, and focus only on the disadvantages while ignoring the advantages. Their piracy claims have been wrong every single time. Cassette tapes led to increased music sales, since it freed music from a record needle sitting in a groove, meaning you could now listen to music in your car or while jogging. Radio/cassette recorders allowed people to listen to music two different ways with a single device, so led to people listening to more music since the playback devices now cost less them less. VCRs spawned the movie sale industry, allowing movie studios to make more money than they ever could through theater releases alone. Sales to video rental stores eventually eclipsed videotape sales as the biggest revenue source for movie studios. MP3s became the ubiquitous method to store and distribute music in the 21st century. Internet-based music and movie sales and rentals have now eclipsed disc-based sales and rentals. And YouTube remains the easiest way to quickly check out new releases and new genres of music, and view movie trailers on demand without having to hope to catch it during a commercial break on TV
In every single case, their prophecies of doom by piracy have not only been proven wrong, but the new technology has led to increased sales of music and movies. Yet these two industries cannot seem to break their habit of demanding the new technology be shut down before it "destroys" them. Life isn't perfect. You're never going to get rid of piracy. As long as the benefits of a service like YouTube outweigh the piracy drawbacks, it's a net win. Just like retail stores don't shut down just because they lose some inventory to shoplifting. The benefits of increased sales from allowing customers to see, feel, and browse the merchandise in person outweighs the drawback of loss due to shoplifting.
If you download a song from Youtube, and it sounds good enough to be listenable (vs. the quality of a purchased music file), then the problem isn't piracy.
The problem is that your music naturally sounds like reproducible, sterile, "Millenial Whoop" and familiarity/brainwashing driven, forgettable and disposable sound bytes - not memorable music.
To the music industry: Stop spending millions of dollars on marketing campaigns and psychological tricks to make people consume your brand of music. Instead, go cheap and just pay to have new acts go out and make music. You know - the old fashioned way. Help new, better acts come to the top organically.
The war on 'piracy' was lost the moment people started connecting computers to the Internet. Everybody knows the only way to 'win this war' is to make whatever the latest fad they want you to use is, more convenient then managing your own media archive.
I was under the impression musicians make the vast bulk of any cash they do make from live work and merch and not recordings any more, anyway?
Does your browser support piracy by allowing you to view the code?
"Alexa, stop playing songs from YouTube copies!"
"Siri, don't listen to my MP3s. They'll charge me for a performance!"
Remember that retarded blank CD tax? Guess what - it came with legal language allowing personal copy.
PERFECTLY LEGAL in my country (and probably half the developed world).
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I see quite few references to cassettes but for many there was LOTS of copying going on for 15 years prior to the invention of the audio cassette by Philips. I have hundreds of reels of tape, some made out of paper, dating to the late-1940s with off-the-air recordings of music and copies of 78s and LPs. The cassette added convenience and a lower entry price to something that was already underway.
...and being afraid to use things like LimeWire, BitTorrent, etc., so I just used a 3.5mm male-to-male audio cable, running from line-out to line-in and used Audacity to record the audio while I played the music on Grooveshark, YouTube, et. al. It was rudimentary and was kind of funny now that I look back at it but it worked.
Even still, my 12 yo paranoid self thought I was going to be caught somehow (I theorized that the RIAA would detect that I was running Audacity while recording something off the Internet, and would record my IP address to sue me).
Years later I buy the majority of my music *although* I do occasionally torrent/rip things I cannot find (rare oldies) or torrent compilations that I like to sift through on my free time to find what I like (usually chill, downtempo and ambient), which has led me to seek out the artist's work to buy on Amazon if I like what I hear.
one might say the abandonment of physical media for online presence might be an encouragement, too.
The music industry is just trying to plug the big leaks. They'll never stop those with the tech savvy.
Have gnu, will travel.
There are open source command line tools that let you rip MP3's straight from YouTube.
Make SELinux enforcing again!
Grew up in the 60's through 80's era of music. Once tek-no-pop and (c)rap came along, it all turned to crap. I already have either my LP albums, or MP3's of everything I want to listen to, plus we have a 24/7 NO ADS blues/jazz station that is in our area that also streams, so I don't even bother listening to the "radio" anymore for music.
Reencoding youtube's 128Kbit/s AAC to MP3 gains you quite an awful audio quality in the end because you enjoy AAC encoding artifacts multiplied by MP3 encoding artifacts.
I don't know a single decent youtube ripping website which allows you to download youtube's AAC/Opus audio directly.
What is this 2008? Apple Music gives you more songs than you could possibly listen to in a lifetime for $10 a month, with new music magically appearing in your phone every Thursday night when the clock strikes 12. Who wants to waste their time on some fucking torrent site or following dead links on some other download site?
This attitude right here is the problem. Just shut up, pay your subs and listen to this crap.
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I am not a great fan of Kim Dotcom.
But he had a point when he treated that. Dotcom was spied on, raided, had all of his property confiscated. Dotcom had millions of dollars taken from him.
All because he was distributing copyright material.
Why do google/youtube execs enjoy a different standard?
Just download the Youtube-dl utility, it downloads video & audio directly from Youtube, it even has a simple GUI. Works great on Playlists as well and has an automatic download resume. The occasional error crops up but a simple re-download solves that.
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What if they have to get real jobs instead of sponging off the back of musicians? They haven't sat around collecting other people's money this long to start working now. You won't make them get a job without a fight
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