Silicon Valley's Saudi Arabia Problem (nytimes.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Somewhere in the United States, someone is getting into an Uber en route to a WeWork co-working space. Their dog is with a walker whom they hired through the app Wag. They will eat a lunch delivered by DoorDash, while participating in several chat conversations on Slack. And, for all of it, they have an unlikely benefactor to thank: the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Long before the dissident Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi vanished, the kingdom has sought influence in the West -- perhaps intended, in part, to make us forget what it is. A medieval theocracy that still beheads by sword, doubling as a modern nation with malls (including a planned mall offering indoor skiing), Saudi Arabia has been called "an ISIS that made it." Remarkably, the country has avoided pariah status in the United States thanks to our thirst for oil, Riyadh's carefully cultivated ties with Washington, its big arms purchases, and the two countries' shared interest in counterterrorism. But lately the Saudis have been growing their circle of American enablers, pouring billions into Silicon Valley technology companies.

While an earlier generation of Saudi leaders, like Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, invested billions of dollars in blue-chip companies in the United States, the kingdom's new crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, has shifted Saudi Arabia's investment attention from Wall Street to Silicon Valley. Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund has become one of Silicon Valley's biggest swinging checkbooks, working mostly through a $100 billion fund raised by SoftBank (a Japanese company), which has swashbuckled its way through the technology industry, often taking multibillion-dollar stakes in promising companies. The Public Investment Fund put $45 billion into SoftBank's first Vision Fund, and Bloomberg recently reported that the Saudi fund would invest another $45 billion into SoftBank's second Vision Fund. SoftBank, with the help of that Saudi money, is now said to be the largest shareholder in Uber. It has also put significant money into a long list of start-ups that includes Wag, DoorDash, WeWork, Plenty, Cruise, Katerra, Nvidia and Slack. As the world fills up car tanks with gas and climate change worsens, Saudi Arabia reaps enormous profits -- and some of that money shows up in the bank accounts of fast-growing companies that love to talk about "making the world a better place."

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Who murders more of its own?

[TechyImmigrant]

>A medieval theocracy that still beheads by sword

So the US is a medieval theocracy that murders with volts?

Does the manner of execution determine whether or not you are a medieval theocracy?

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Typically there is a jury involved if death by volts in the USA

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

the beheaded had a trial too

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

The US gives the death penalty for murder and worse.

Saudi Arabia gives the death penalty (or tries to) for speaking out:

The charges against the group that Ghomgham is part of include incitement to protest, chanting slogans hostile to the regime, attempting to inflame public opinion, and providing moral support to rioters.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/saudi-arabia-seeks-unprecedented-death-penalty-woman-activist-n902771

They also apply the death penalty for things that aren't even crimes in civilized countries, like sodomy, blashpemy and witchcraft:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Arabia#Other_offences
Also, the US is a Democracy, not a theocracy.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[alvinrod]

There might be a slight difference between executing (different than murder) someone who was themselves a mass murderer after they've sat in prison for decades and have had several rounds of appeals as opposed to executing someone for homosexuality, being a women's rights activist, or allegedly practicing sorcery. If you're lucky you might even be crucified.

Also, not all U.S. states have a death penalty, and of those that do, many don't use the electric chair. Wikipedia indicates that some states allow convicted criminals to choose it if they so want, but that there aren't a lot of states actually using it. Most of it is by lethal injection, and I'd say that there are probably more humane ways than that to kill a person if you're going to do it. Nitrous oxide asphyxiation seems like a pretty painless way to me, and probably a hell of a lot less expensive.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[anegg]

A medieval theocracy that still beheads by sword

So the US is a medieval theocracy that murders with volts?

I believe that there are three different claims being made in the statement:

Saudi Arabia is a theocracy

Saudi Arabia is medieval

Saudi Arabia uses "beheading by sword" as a method of capital punishment

I don't see a claim that "beheading by sword" makes Saudi Arabia a medieval theocracy, so it does not logically follow that the United States would be a medieval theocracy that "murders with volts".

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Saudi_Arabia Saudi Arabia is a theocracy. Depending upon one's point of view, there are aspects of Saudi Arabian society that appear to not have progressed beyond what Europe practiced in the European medieval period. Saudi Arabia does use beheading as a method of capital punishment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Saudi_Arabia.

So the claim that "Saudi Arabia is a medieval theocracy that still beheads by sword" seems to me to be based on a set of independent facts. I don't see evidence of a claim that the manner of execution determines whether a nation-state is a medieval theocracy.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

We are neither medieval or a theocracy. This kind of a moral equivalency is a rot in this country. We do not dismember people for saying mean things about the government.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

No the US is a racist surveillance state ruled by grumpy white old men

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Scarletdown]

I think you mean republic, not democracy. The former is a representative system with some democratic aspects. The latter is mob rule and tyranny of the majority.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[ShanghaiBill]

Typically there is a jury involved if death by volts in the USA

Do you believe juries make the process fair? Juries are easily swayed by expensive lawyers. A poor person is far more likely to be found guilty and sentenced to death in America than a rich person committing a similar crime.

Saudi Arabia uses Sharia Law, and the "jury" consists of educated clerics who are far less likely to be sway by appeals to emotion. Several members of the royal family have been beheaded.

Can you even imagine America executing a Trump or Clinton?

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[DNS-and-BIND]

Whataboutism is a propaganda technique first used by the Soviet Union, in its dealings with the Western world.[1] When Cold War criticisms were levelled at the Soviet Union, the response would be "What about..." followed by the naming of an event in the Western world.[2][3] It represents a case of tu quoque (appeal to hypocrisy),[4] a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, without directly refuting or disproving the opponent's initial argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yup. blatant attempt at emotional manipulation. Hack journalism

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

that the accusation of whataboutism is itself a form of tu quoque fallacy, as it dismisses criticisms of one's own behavior to focus instead on the actions of another, thus creating a double standard. Those who use whataboutism are not necessarily engaging in an empty or cynical deflection of responsibility: whataboutism can be a useful tool to expose contradictions, double standards, and hypocrisy.[126][127]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Comparing the US judicial system to the SA Sharia system is like comparing apples to nuclear warheads. Your false equivalency is a prime example of the type of bullshit that has empowered the mob rule. And the mob seems incapable of understanding that their mindless sloganeering, over the top hyperbole, and general idiocy will draw a response just as mindless by those on the other side. If you are incapable of being honest in your criticisms then you would be better off shutting the hell up.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[haruchai]

the beheaded had a trial too

Wasn't the case for Princess Mishaal bint Fahd

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Or those with the wrong skin color shot down by the US police because reasons.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Megol]

*sigh* And this in a time when one doesn't even have to go outside to get information and learn things.
USA have a variant of representative democracy where people elect leaders which in term can elect others (current example: supreme court judges). And that is one type of democracy. You may be thinking of direct democracy where people directly vote for different alternatives, or more likely of some variant of an anarchy (the political use of the word).

But really spend some hours, search and learn. It's interesting.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Megol]

This. Can't upvote.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[K. S. Kyosuke]

Juries are easily swayed by expensive lawyers.

Perhaps even more frequently by crooked prosecutors?

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Megol]

You really have to be ignorant if you think that is some recent invention. ... Oh, it's DNS-and-BIND. Yeah, as I wrote: really ignorant.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[K. S. Kyosuke]

We are neither medieval or a theocracy.

If you aren't, it's not for a lack of desire by certain influential portions of the population.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

The latter is mob rule and tyranny of the majority.

Meanwhile here we are suffering tyranny of the minority, ala Trump.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Cutterman]

Give Trump another term and we will be.

Mac

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

And shouting "whataboutism!" when someone points out you're a fucking hypocritical piece of shit is a recent rich white techbro propoganda to deflect from how shitty Big Ads aka "silicon valley" actually is. Google is making a censored search engine? Yeah, but what about Baidu!

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[quonset]

Also, the US is a Democracy, not a theocracy.

Yet. The U.S. is not yet a theocracy. However, based on their actions, Republicans, and their Evangelical Judases, are working very had to change that.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes when they shoot at other people are good reasons.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Discredit by shaming and vitriol is also a common tactic that does not answer the question. Perhaps you could try a straw man next?

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

It *IS* indeed a valid argument in this context. It's a "valid argument," but it's still just wrong for another reason as mentioned above...
Don't let the recent popular spreading of the "whataboutism" claims confuse you with actual, moral arguments.

If one is claiming, "this thing is bad" and then one does that thing, then one obviously doesn't really believe it's bad, and the claim that it is, is instead an attempt to exert power over the other person using lies and false claims.

The "Whataboutism" refers to using a *DIFFERENT* argument, usually unrelated to the initial one, to divert attention. It does NOT refer to pointing out an incongruity with the actual initial claim.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[nospam007]

"So the US is a medieval theocracy that murders with volts?"

And German chemicals. Mmmh.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[ilguido]

Whataboutism is a propaganda technique first used by the Soviet Union, in its dealings with the Western world.

I really, really doubt that Whataboutism was first used by Soviet Union.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[gtall]

It is not just Trump and his merry band of tax cheats. The tyranny is supported hook, line, and sold soul by the Evangelicals. They are the U.S.'s Taliban. They are just as mindlessly religious in their intolerance and given half a chance, they'd be happy to lock up anyone who doesn't parrot their beliefs. The U.S. gets all funky over the Chinese treatment of the Uighurs, but where is the outrage from the Evangelicals over the U.S.'s tent camp for children of illegal aliens? Where is the outrage over separating families? Where is the Evangelical push to fund aid and development programs for the countries in C. America that are the source of these migrants?

Just where are the Evangelicals? Where is their Christian faith now that they cannot be Christians given how badly their souls have been blackened by supporting Trump?

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[gtall]

Really? Go there and attempt to set up a Church. See how far that gets you.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

The US gives the death penalty for murder and worse.

Or worded more specifically, there are only two crimes the US sentences the death penalty for:
Murder, which must be found in the first degree, and
Treason, which must be the use of violence in an attempt to overthrow the US government from power.

Any other crime than those two, even if it is felt to be "worse", can at most be given a life long prison sentence but not summary execution.

One may certainly point out the conditions of our prison system having a similar result, but it's important to realize those conditions, as bad as they are, are not codified anywhere in the law, where the use of the death penalty is.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[TeknoHog]

Democratic republics do exist. In some countries, democracy and the people are valued so highly that they are even used in the official name of the country. Mild examples include the German Democratic Republic and People's Republic of China. But there's only one Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Cmdln Daco]

You're so fucking woke! I bet you'll be even more aware and progressive next year when you're a sophomore.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Whataboutism is a cop out to eject oneself from a conversation when they don't like the fact that they're being called out on their hypocritical bullshit.

Example:

"Bad orange man is bad and is only not my president because monies and rich people!"

"Have you considered the net wealth of the Clintons after their presidency, or the speeches Hillary gave to the flower of Wall Street bankers?"

"WAT ABOUT ISM! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[WaffleMonster]

>A medieval theocracy that still beheads by sword

So the US is a medieval theocracy that murders with volts?
Does the manner of execution determine whether or not you are a medieval theocracy?

The subject of your message is "Who murders more of its own?". Yet you have completely neglected to address the issue instead choosing to focus entirely on loaded language used by the author.

Per capita US performs about 1.4% percent of the executions conducted by KSA.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[serviscope_minor]

Saudi Arabia uses Sharia Law, and the "jury" consists of educated clerics who are far less likely to be sway by appeals to emotion.

Wow you managed to find something worse than a jury. "appeal to emotion" is pretty much the definition of religion.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Your comments are usually rather insightful, but I was initially going to downmod you here because you skipped Obama. But upon further consideration... race.

I'm not sure if you intended the white/white comparison, but regardless, well done.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Horray! Someone gets it!

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[edris90]

Murder is a legal definition. Outside if law there is no murder. Just animals killing animals. Also it's kinder to kill someone then to twist who they are through forced condition until they are but a Shadow of themselves. Is more ethical to let someone die as themselves then to twist them into your own privately acceptable monster

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[postbigbang]

Although you're marked troll at this point, I stand with you.

The evangelicals want to push their concept of morality on the US at every turn. They ignore so much to get ostensible anti-abortionists like Kavanaugh onto the SCOTUS, pathological narcissists for President, and just genuine haters at so many political points that I find them as gruesome as the Saudis in many areas. The anti-LGBT fundings (Thank you, LatterDayDudes), support for anti-healthcare, 1%er tax cuts, it's truly appalling. Are these the Pharisees or the Christians? Tough to tell.

The Saudis, like the 1%ers, pay people off. Launder their ill-gotten gain in tech. Ignore the inevitable climate change caused by manmade sources. Then they pat themselves on the back, believing themselves the hand of God, which they are not.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Do you believe juries make the process fair? Juries are easily swayed by expensive lawyers.

Yes it is fair in a sense society gets what it deserves. If your population is raised to be a bunch of fools then everyone gets to live directly with the consequences of that reality as they very much deserve.

A poor person is far more likely to be found guilty and sentenced to death in America than a rich person committing a similar crime.

Poor people tend to actually be guilty of low grade capital crimes more than rich people.

Saudi Arabia uses Sharia Law, and the "jury" consists of educated clerics who are far less likely to be sway by appeals to emotion.

Assuming education level makes people less likely to behave illogically is a source of great personal amusement.

Can you even imagine America executing a Trump or Clinton?

Yes I can. I can even imagine Bush and crew facing trial and executed for war crimes.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Livius]

Does the manner of execution determine whether or not you are a medieval theocracy?

No. Saudi Arabia is a medieval theocracy. Saudi Arabia uses beheading in capital punishment.

Correlation is not causation.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

>mob opposes jury trials
of course

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[The Grim Reefer]

Can you even imagine America executing a Trump or Clinton?

Prior to 10 to 15 years ago, no. But at the rate things have been going, I can see it happening in the next 5 to 10 years. The wing nuts have been getting ever crazier and have gotten very efficient at stirring up more people than I would have ever thought possible. The media has also gotten very good at giving the masses just enough information to scare the shit out of them, but not enough to make an informed decision. Even the weather channel hypes anything they can.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Hognoxious]

Saudi Arabia uses Sharia Law, and the "jury" consists of educated clerics who are far less likely to be sway by appeals to emotion.

If they always return a guilty verdict that would be 100% compatible with not being "sway[sic] by appeals to emotion".

It doesn't exactly sound just and fair, though.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Hognoxious]

Does the manner of execution determine whether or not you are a medieval theocracy?

The things you can be executed for is a good indication of the theocracy part.

The method determines whether it's medieval or not. Modern theocracies use electricity or chemicals to do the job.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[SvnLyrBrto]

> the US is a Democracy, not a theocracy.

No.

The US *CLAIMS* to be a democracy, or sometimes a republic, and not a theocracy. But despite that notional claim or goal; in >200 years, we're STILL unsuccessful in the expunging influence of religion from the government. Until we finally and successfully make that advance for ourselves... until people like Mike Pence, for example, have ZERO chance of every attaining anything even resembling political power at any level; federal, state, or local... we're at least partially theocratic as well, in fact if not in name.

As the saying goes: "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."... especially apropos in this context, because Saudi Arabia is plagued by both ills.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[ghoul]

Saudis dont ignore climate change. They support it enthusiastically.
Their current climate sucks. Any change would be an improvement.
All the models show that a warming planet will cause more rains in Saudi and green the desert.
It would be stupid for Saudis to be against climate change.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Not even good grammar!

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Nope. Democracy doesn't mean anti-anything, except those groups that aim to uproot its core values and freedom, not even religion.

Your problem is the 2-party system, which frankly, according to game theory become a one party system converging on itself and strangling all possible wider spectrums.

Any sane people would demand more parties.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[fafalone]

Saudi Arabia uses Sharia Law, and the "jury" consists of educated clerics who are far less likely to be sway by appeals to emotion. Several members of the royal family have been beheaded.

As long as you don't mind issues of religion/honor/etc having a much higher priority than whether the accused is in fact guilty of the charge, yeah it's great.
Why do so many people think that if something is bad, anything different must be inherently better? It's like we've collectively forgotten that something bad can always be made even worse.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Also, the US is a Democracy, not a theocracy.

Are you sure about that? First, we are a republic not a democracy - currently having a president who lost the majority vote. Separation of church and state has also taken a lot of hits recently...

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Re:Who murders more of its own?

[DNS-and-BIND]

Nobody did it before then. The Soviets really pioneered corroding a society from the inside out with propaganda. They were innovators and trailblazers. Since their own society was a murderous hellhole, their chief weapon was to accuse others.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

(sarcasm)

I mean really! A cool place like USA would never send a commando team to assassinate one who foments opposition to its regime. Osama was tried, convicted and sentenced by a jury of his peers, as were all those creepy sorts in Guantanamo.

And no-one would flee a western country for fear of reprisal by its government. Snowden simply loved Russia, and Assange had always dreamed of living in Ecuador.

(/sarcasm)

Is there really any honor left anywhere in the world?

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Only faggots use [sic] when addressing anyone, especially a non-native English speaker.

Would any other people besides White leftists be so pompous? This is why you people are hated around the world.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[anegg]

Really? Go there and attempt to set up a Church. See how far that gets you.

Pardon? I don't think you would get too far if you were setting up a Christian church. Setting up a mosque, on the other hand, would probably work (as long as it was the right sort of mosque).

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Whataboutism is a propaganda technique first used by the Soviet Union, in its dealings with the Western world.[1] When Cold War criticisms were levelled at the Soviet Union, the response would be "What about..." followed by the naming of an event in the Western world.[2][3] It represents a case of tu quoque (appeal to hypocrisy),[4] a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, without directly refuting or disproving the opponent's initial argument.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Just because pointing out another's hypocrisy HAS been misused DOESN'T mean that it's a misuse every time it's done. Sometimes, it's a valid point to make. What you've done here is committed yet another rhetorical fallacy, actually... can't recall the specific name of it, and I'm not wasting the time looking it up, (though if I had to guess, I'd say it was "poisoning the well,") luckily, I don't have to because this is slashdot, and nothing any of us say on here really has real-world implications beyond the borders of the room slashdot keeps its servers in, so it really doesn't matter.

PS: god I wish I hadn't already posted while logged-in in this convo, as I have modpoints I could have used, and now I can't. :-( There's no way your comment rates a "informative". The argument you attempt to disprove using ad-wikipedia-hilarious, you haven't disproven at all. The point stands as valid: you can't claim the moral high-ground when your society murders its own citizens simply because they murder them more politely. (Which is itself debatable.)

PPS: In a real debate, the loser is the first one who cites Wikipedia as if it's a credible source.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[bluegutang]

I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the clerics apply the laws rationally and fairly. The problem is what the laws are in the first place.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[bluegutang]

A double standard might be unfair or immoral, but it's not a logical fallacy.

Whataboutism seeks to prevent discussion of X, by interrupting with accusations of Y any time X is mentioned.

There should be plenty of time to discuss both X and Y. What's incompatible with logical argumentation is seeking to prevent discussion of X altogether.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

If you're crucified after death there's no much of a big deal either.. Even the decapitation itself may be OK but is fraught with the swordsman messing it up (which I believe happened to royals in England, with a axe. Oh damn.)
I am worried about what would happen to me before the execution.

Regarding the US this is mostly about "grand-father clauses"? A handful people still on the death row from before e.g. 1986 or 1994 or some such date in a particular state still can choose an older method of execution.
BUT, one of the states is seriously considering to reinstate the firing squad. The injections don't get any better and in fact can get worse, as pharma companies boycott participation to the "medical procedure". In the 90s I used to think this worked but then there was word of the slow long painful deaths. Turns out, the more you read or watch about it, the more it looks like a death by committee scheme. You're not smothered to death or bored to death by a committee but the committee did design those contraptions and for setting up the doses? it's a crapshoot. You'd probably do better hiring a veterinarian or an opioid junkie or both.
I think the firing squad is relatively free of nonsense (but, either as a victim or executioner, I would like better if all the rifles are loaded).

Funnily, we first heard of George W. Bush in my country when he was the governor signing for executions in Texas. Then in 2001 I knew him as the guy who denies global warming, him or his administration. Yeah but anyway, there was that view of the woman smiling in 1998, strapped to the "medical" chair and she said she was going to see Jesus.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

But ultimately this is all about climate change. They know that oil will stop being the world's fuel, which is why they're trying to diversify into tech (among other things) with their Vision Fund. Even if the Saudis themselves don't particularly care to end climate change, they know others do.

dom

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd watch a couple video where women explain how they can make their hair curly, then I'd set up a synagogue. Well they would find me out after a couple seconds, lock up and beat me up and declare I'm a fool. I doubt they would execute a hare brained foreigner.

In other news, Kim Jong Un will meet the Pope.
Indeed, the south had brought a bishop or cardinal with them (make that an archbishop. I think his uniform was purple and black, I don't know what that means).
Will that be some really major change?
I wonder if we could call northern Korea an "Atheist theocracy"!

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

Give him another term.

At the end of Trump's third term, he will copulate with a sandworm larva then temporarily transfer his brain into a giant mech or the other way around.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[reanjr]

That's speculation, with little evidence other than - ironically - her confession.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[reanjr]

Foolish people, being born into corrupt societies.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[reanjr]

Your native language is invisible on the Internet. If you can't handle English, post on a site in your native tongue.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[reanjr]

I imagine they are about as fair as a typical United States judge. There are probably bad apples, but the big concern is without juries-of-peers, the law is intrinsically skewed towards the powerful class, because only the powerful judge the law.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[sound vision]

We all know this is a diversionary tactic. Changing the subject is one of the oldest, most effective in the book. Highly obvious to spot, and dead easy for any 10 year old to deploy. Why all the gymnastics in an attempt to justify it as a legitimate tool of debate?

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[K. S. Kyosuke]

Too many decades late for that. :/

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[DigressivePoser]

Also, the US is a Democracy, not a theocracy.

Yet. The U.S. is not yet a theocracy. However, based on their actions, Republicans, and their Evangelical Judases, are working very had to change that.

Your religious beliefs (whether you have them or not) are protected in the First Amendment. The only group I see trying to remove those protections are on the progressive left.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Type44Q]

Saudis dont ignore climate change.

Right, it's their exports that ignore it.

Bad Arabian crude!

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[Type44Q]

And doublespeak isn't a thing.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[Anonymous Coward]

The problem is when the religious politicians refute the First Amendment and enact laws for all based on their own beliefs. There's plenty of precedent for this already. I'm not interested in their Genie in the clouds but I'll have to live under, not His, but their proclamations of what is best for me. Because they know, you know? When I'm in their gulag they can go back to their mistresses and little boys and their money in peace. If all you can see is The Left and The Right you're already deluded. Ready for picking.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[farble1670]

whataboutism can be a useful tool to expose contradictions, double standards, and hypocrisy.

Whataboutism is nothing more than a universal tool rationalize bad behavior.

If I've done something wrong, address that issue with me. If you've done something wrong, I'll address it with you. Those two actions are orthogonal. One doesn't affect the other. One doesn't justify the other. Hypocrisy doesn't make bad behavior good. Correct yourself, and SEPARATELY, pursue correcting the action of others.

The favorite Whataboutism today in the US is "what about the Clintons" or "what about Obama". You know what? Rs you are in power now. They control the entire government including of course the justice dept. Go after the Clintons and Obama. Stop using them as an excuse. Put them in jail.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[dcw3]

You're my candidate for insightful AC of the year.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[dcw3]

Why would you imagine that? As fair as you can be when judging religious dogma.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[dcw3]

Sorry, equating Evangelicals with Taliban is trolling. And I don't even like Evangelicals.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[dcw3]

While Evangelicals are a vocal minority of Republicans, they are still a minority. The rest of us on the right wish they would STFU.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[dcw3]

The fact that you think Trump wants a theocracy makes you delusional. He's only interested in the Evangelical's votes.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[postbigbang]

Who tries to use public spaces to enforce religious dogma?
Who tries to stop symbols of other religions?
Who attempts to shut out those of other beliefs?
Who attempts to rigorously enforce literal translations of "holy scriptures?
Who desires to have strong influence over public education shunning secular education while attempting to control it?
Who enforces capital punishment?
Who attempts to control women as chattel?
Who wars with factions over religious principles?
Who vehemently protects religious iconic cities, shunning "disbelievers"?

Substitute either label. Orthodoxy stinks. Not one of them speaks for $diety. People have been trying to lord over each other since the beginning of time. These are just two more forms of evil.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[dcw3]

I'm not arguing with most of your points, and yet they pale in comparison, and you can't seem to see the difference.

Re:Who murders more of its own?

[postbigbang]

Hmmmm.

The End-Time Christians have much to do with the coddling of Israeli malice towards the Palestinians (who are also not saints).

The Taliban wants to go to the stone ages. The evangelicals run in their own insular communities, ignoring the rest of the world, ignoring the corruption, the greed, and more. They are both cults. They are both sheep, and both humanity gone wrong. ISIS is a truly sick cult. So are some of the Assemblies of God. Listen to their dogma. Tell me the differences. You'll find them small. Both are armed, treat women as chattel, and want to conquer.

One gets their oil anyway they can, the other their heroin. Both have parts of the world addicted. It's orthodoxy. Cults by another prism lens. Both believe themselves the hand of $deity. Have words from $deity to back them up. Both believe themselves patriots.

Both proselytize the downtrodden and poor into armies, some armed better than others. They have mutual aid societies and are actually charitable. And this belief that they're doing $deity's work means they believe they have carte blanche, ends justifying the means, so that their protected $sect makes into $heaven.

Evangelicals don't blow themselves up, and are less suicidal than the Taliban. The Taliban is more murderous, unless you consider the dead in Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Palestine, etc. dead in the ongoing oil war. I won't even touch the madness of orthodox Judaism, another $cult for another discussion. Pik Botha had nothing on Netanyahu. No, I'm not Arabic. Not even close.

And yes, these are the edges of each of the aforementioned $cults. Lots of great folks around that don't pay millions into anti-LGBT+ rights. Many that don't fund endless wars. Many that don't ascribe to convincing people to blow themselves up in front of police station, many who understand climate change, economic injustice, and many who just try to live day to day-- but these aren't the orthodoxy. Orthodoxies are very similar. Only a few variables change.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[ghoul]

Did you read what I said? Climate change is good for the Saudis. As well the Russians and the Canadians. Climate change is only a problem if you are happy with your current climate

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[reanjr]

Religion is part of the law in a theocracy. Fair judgement of religious doctrine is fair judgement of the law.

Why would you imagine otherwise?

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[dcw3]

Well, I suppose that's a fair opinion. I was looking at it from the viewpoint of it being unfair to women, non-heterosexuals, non-Muslims, etc.

Re: Who murders more of its own?

[haruchai]

That's speculation, with little evidence other than - ironically - her confession.

Who witnessed her confession? There was no trial, no record of her being questioned.
The killings weren't done by an official executioner nor in the town square.
Family members took the princess & her alleged lover to a car park, emptied a clip into her while the man watched and then needed 5 blows with a sword to cut off his head

Blood money.

[fredrated]

The kind that financed 9/11.

Don't take money from assholes.

[DogDude]

Problem solved.

Next problem?

Re:Don't take money from assholes.

[Anonymous Coward]

Except that's like 95% of Republican policymaking.

Re:Don't take money from assholes.

[Anonymous Coward]

and the fact that 95% of nations on earth are assholes.

Re:Don't take money from assholes.

[Anonymous Coward]

The next problem is that unfortunately there probably exist silicon valley millenials who have exactly that kind of lifestyle as described in the article's beginning. People who live like that need a serious reality check because they seem to be incapable of handling anything on their own and, more importantly, have a hard time grasping that there's more to life than what's on your mobile screen.

Re:Don't take money from assholes.

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't take money from assholes.

And you'll end up living in a cardboard box.

At the very least though, we could stop voting for assholes.

Re:Don't take money from assholes.

[Kohath]

By "assholes", you seem to mean "people who the news media hates".

I predict Silicon Valley will decide they don't really care about the news media getting their panties all bunched up. And the news media will forget about it too as soon as they see a monetary incentive to forget.

Re:Don't take money from assholes.

[DogDude]

No, I mean brutal, oppressive theocracies, in this context. I didn't say anything about the media, so I don't know where you got that.

Re:Don't take money from assholes.

[Kohath]

The only difference between Saudi Arabia and anyone else is the news media is mad at Saudi Arabia right now. The news media don't care about Iran, or China, or Venezuela, or dozens of other countries that have a checkered recent history. Any one of them could be described as "brutal", if you wanted to color a story.

Saudi Arabia was the same Saudi Arabia last year as it is this year. Only difference: people can't think for themselves and take emotional queues from the news media, and it's "Saudi hate month" in the media echo chamber.

Re:Don't take money from assholes.

[DogDude]

I'm not going to argue with you about "the news media". That's not in the least bit relevant. Saudi Arabia has been a shitty country since it's inception, from what I can tell. I would never visit there or do business with that country. I can read and think for myself, thank you.

Re:Don't take money from assholes.

[Anonymous Coward]

I did stop voting for assholes. Perhaps that is why Mr Trump won. Sometimes you have to choice between asshole and a slightly less bad choice.

Re:Don't take money from assholes.

[Anonymous Coward]

I would never visit there or do business with that country. I can read and think for myself, thank you.

Every time you fill up your gas tank you do business with Saudi Arabia. Amazing that you can read and think for yourself but you can't figure that out?

Re:Don't take money from assholes.

[Anonymous Coward]

The point is, if you look into ANY country, you'll find they are a "shitty country",

Re:Don't take money from assholes.

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't take money from assholes. (Score:5, Insightful)

Insightful, indeed! We should just do that right now! It's so simple it has to work!

Re:Don't take money from assholes.

[Anonymous Coward]

https://www.npr.org/2012/04/11/150444802/where-does-america-get-oil-you-may-be-surprised

if only 8% of our oil comes from the Saudi and leads them to be rich kingdoms investing money back into the usa.
What about the other 92% of of oil and its profits?!

Re:Don't take money from assholes.

[Anonymous Coward]

You and whoever tf voted you up are missing GP's point ENTIRELY. Congrats.

Re:Don't take money from assholes.

[Anonymous Coward]

That was reason #2 I ditched my gas guzzler and went electric.

Thanks for playing.

Oil

[Anonymous Coward]

The US gets very little oil from the ME. We protect shipping routes mostly. Lefties still working from 1970s data.

Re: Oil

[Anonymous Coward]

Bingo, for all their talk of cultural diversity they sure get twisted when the Diverse Culture in question doesn't echo their own beliefs.

As for the article the answer is pretty simple. The Saudis want political stability, they are not particularly interested in Conquest, they embrace many aspects of Modern society, and their enemies are mostly also our enemies.
ISIS was none of that.

Re:Oil

[ShanghaiBill]

The US gets very little oil from the ME. We protect shipping routes mostly. Lefties still working from 1970s data.

We don't get much oil from Saudi Arabia, but they are an important counterweight to Iran. Iran is our enemy because ... umm, we need an enemy because ... well, we spend $610B a year on weapons and we need to justify that somehow.

Iran wants WAR

Re: Oil

[Anonymous Coward]

Why are so many conflating "the West" with the US? Saudis sell lots of oil to other Western nations.

The Saudis are interested in theological conquest. A lot of money flows to madrassas all over the world. ISIS is Wahhabi sect. It is all of that.

Re:Oil

[Anonymous Coward]

And the righties again show the limits of their inferior brain.

It's not a matter of securing oil supply from foreign countries, it's a matter of controlling oil prices.

Even if the US produces locally 100% of the oil it consumes, that doesn't stop foreign countries from flodding the markets with cheap oil, forcing the prices down globally (because, you know, supply and demand and all that crap) and endangering the US economy by endangering its oil producers.

Unless, of course, congress passes a law forcing americans to buy us-produced oil, or slamming import taxes on foreign oil, which would be a direct interference with the free marker, which is contrary to the basic principles of right-wingers that worship free market as a God... except of course when it suits their interests.

Demonstrating once again that the righties' stupidity is only rivaled by their hypocrisy.

Re:Oil

[bluegutang]

They kidnapped US diplomats the last time they had a chance, they blew up hundreds of US soldiers last time they had a chance, they still make "Death to America a common slogan. I think the burden is on them to show they are no longer the US's enemy.

Re:Oil

[Anonymous Coward]

Last time they had a chance? Those events took place in 1979 and 1983, not long after the US helped overthrow their democratically-elected government and put a dictator back in power.

We've done more to them than they ever have to us.

Re:Oil

[drsquare]

You overthrew their government and replaced it with a dictator. And shot down their civilian planes and gave the guy who did it a medal.

15 out of 19

[ArchieBunker]

9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Fuck all those camel jockey sand n1ggers.

Re:15 out of 19

[Nidi62]

9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

And 100% of the perpetrators of the OKC bombing were Americans. So were 100% of successful US President assassins. Are we supposed to hate all Serbians because 1 Serbian started WW1?

Re:15 out of 19

[Anonymous Coward]

The username certainly fits the content of the post. The fictional Archie Bunker character was quite a bigot.

The 9/11 attacks absolutely should be condemned for the evil acts they were. They cannot be justified. There are legitimate reasons to be highly critical of the Saudi leadership as condoning and supporting terrorism. The likely torture and murder of a Washington Post journalist, probably sanctioned at the highest levels of the Saudi regime, is reprehensible. I'd have no problem if you said the United States needs to reconsider its relationship with Saudi Arabia and reduce or eliminate military support.

However, we generally understand that a corrupt regime leading a country is not representative of the character of the people under the regime. Surely your point could have been made without the use of ethnic slurs. At one point, the parent was moderated to +4 insightful, despite the use of multiple ethnic slurs, including the n-word.

Re:15 out of 19

[ShanghaiBill]

9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

The hijackers were people that opposed the Saudi ruling family, and especially opposed America's alliance with KSA, and the presence of infidel American troops in the Arabian Peninsula.

Re:15 out of 19

[Anonymous Coward]

"Are we supposed to hate all Serbians because 1 Serbian started WW1?"

No, you should hate all Afghans because 9/11 hijackers where from Saudi Arabia.

Re:15 out of 19

[Anonymous Coward]

"and the presence of infidel American troops in the Arabian Peninsula."

Just less about infidels and more about the American 'military' making sure the people, across the middle east, don't get represented or natural resources don't get nationalized.

The infidel bit is just part of the recruiting speil.

Re: 15 out of 19

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, WWI stated the day Germany inked a deal to build a railway system to being ME oil to Europe, bypassing and threading British hegemony. The Archiduke being murdered was the excuse thrown to the media and the history books. Listen to Dan Carlins podcast.

Re: 15 out of 19

[Cederic]

Given the British only entered the war to protect the sovereignty of Belgium from an unwarranted German attack I think you're talking nonsense.

Re:15 out of 19

[Anonymous Coward]

I see what you did there.

support

[Anonymous Coward]

I never understood why so many people support, visit, and defend that country

Re: support

[Anonymous Coward]

You mean Israel? The true enemy of world peace.

Re:support

[Joce640k]

I never understood why so many people support, visit, and defend that country

The food's quite good.

Re: support

[Anonymous Coward]

You misspelled United States.

Re:support

[ShanghaiBill]

I never understood why so many people support, visit, and defend that country

Really? Do you understand how car engines work?

Hint: They aren't powered by the battery.

Re: support

[Anonymous Coward]

your pea brain must think we get lots of oil from SA - protip: we don't

Re: support

[Anonymous Coward]

So when does the invasion begin?

Wag

[Anonymous Coward]

Every time I hear about Wag I canâ(TM)t help misremember the commercial they had with Olivia Munn. I always remember it as her turning around and going, âoeHey! My dog just shit all over your lawn!â Seriously one of their selling points was that the dog walker would log the location and time of each dog turd produced.

Hillary Clinton's campaign financier

[Anonymous Coward]

Hillary Clinton's campaign financier was the House of Saud and China iirc. Isn't it funny how the USA's biggest enemies were behind her?

BIGGEST ENEMY OF ALL = -> https://www.infowars.com/trump... & oddly enough the HISTORICALLY KNOWN CROOKS that run that "fine institution" are related to the Arab & have been KICKED NATION TO NATION thru time.

I don't know who's worse. I do know we ought to let THEM once & for all FIGHT IT OUT THEMSELVES & finish it - but WE stay the hell OUT of it.

(Keep the USA way OUT OF EVERYONE ELSE'S NATION PERIOD - that's bullshit to tell others how to live OR DIE in THEIR OWN HOUSE & by their own brand of "stupid" that COSTS US IN THE END ANYHOW - playing us like morons by using GREEDY bribable officials & BOUGHT OFF MEDIA to brainwash the masses to do so - yea, "stop the spread of communism" ala VietNam right? WRONG! Doesn't work but WAR PROFITEERS (biggest moneymakers of all) profit @ your loved ones expense!).

APK

P.S.=> IF I'm off/wrong, feel free to correct me... apk

Re: Hillary Clinton's campaign financier

[Anonymous Coward]

Yawn.

Next.

Re: Hillary Clinton's campaign financier

[Anonymous Coward]

Stop reposting your spam. You deserved your -1. Get over it.

If you were mature, you would accept that the -1 moderation was justified. Instead, you get incredibly butthurt because you're obsessed with Slashdot and have nothing else to live for.

By the way, your hosts file software is garbage. It's incredibly inefficient and leads to lots of false positives while nit blocking lots of real threats.

Re: Hillary Clinton's campaign financier

[Anonymous Coward]

You're wrong.

Infowars is fake news. Of ccourse, a compulsive liar like you would feel right at home on a fake news site.

Re: Hillary Clinton's campaign financier

[Anonymous Coward]

You just need to provide theOnion links for counter arguments.

There's no "problem"

[melted]

If you've ever worked with Silicon Valley types you'd know most of them will sell their mom for a buck. Nobody gives a shit where their next round comes from as long as it does come.

Re:There's no "problem"

[Anonymous Coward]

That attitude is precisely why they are richer than you are.

Re:There's no "problem"

[Anonymous Coward]

Unfortunately, not just SV. We have no moral compass anymore, maybe never did. But at least 60 years ago a Joel Oelstein would not have been quite as popular. Even "Christians" sell mom for a buck these days. CBN is dialing for dollars.

Re:There's no "problem"

[KixWooder]

It's a good thing that being rich isn't a goal of mine.

Re:There's no "problem"

[gweihir]

And that is the actual problem: Greed and no sense of responsibility to the rest of the species.

Re:There's no "problem"

[DNS-and-BIND]

Oh-so-responsible Google (who call themselves "the Good Censor") is about to create a panopticon search engine for China. Yes, tell us about how Saudi Arabia is the problem here. Google has tons of experience censoring search results in English and is taking that expertise abroad.

Re:There's no "problem"

[110010001000]

You must be kidding. Billy Graham? Pat Robertson? Same people, different names and bank accounts.

Re: There's no "problem"

[Cmdln Daco]

It's precisely the only reason for their wealth.

Re: There's no "problem"

[melted]

The overwhelming majority of them are actually poorer than I am.

Re:There's no "problem"

[Darinbob]

Well, if they're using any of those apps, they're spending those bucks foolishly anyway.

Re:There's no "problem"

[houghi]

Greed is most of the time a reason to sell something. The few times that people try to do the best thing means that they either get serious less money for it, or they get screwed over once the deal is done, as they do not own it anymore.

I know of a few examples. Ones stands out where company X did not want to sell to company Y for whatever ethical reasons. So company Z bought company Y and then was bought by Company X.

So trying to do the best thing just ment that they got less money.

And when I sold the house of my parents after they died, the only thing I looked at was if the price was good and they where able to pay. I would not care if the house prices raised, because of what they did to the community, or dropped because they opened a drug house.

I never lived there. I had no emotional bond to either the house or the country (let alone the neighborhood), so why should I not be greedy?

I do understand that selling shares might be different, as it means that you might still own shares and it could have an influence as to who you sell to.

Re:There's no "problem"

[farble1670]

My only concern is that you'll change your mind and take over the world.

Re:There's no "problem"

[gweihir]

You nicely describe the problem and why you are part of it. If there are too many like you, the whole species fails.

Prediction

[93 Escort Wagon]

Lots of talk, followed by some back room dealing. A compromise will be reached whereas the US and Europe can take some token action that Saudi Arabia will make strident statements against and will make some token responding gesture - neither of which will substantively impact each other.

The West is just too dependent on Saudi oil... plus they’re considered friendly to western interests. No one will have the will to really punish them.

Re:Prediction

[alvinrod]

The U.S. doesn't need to be dependent on them at all for oil. We've easily got enough of our own to ride out the switch to electric vehicles. If you look at who we import oil from, we get way more of it from Canada than we do Saudi Arabia.

The reality is that they buy a lot from us to support their military and they hate Iran with a passion, which suits our interests fine. They're a shitty ally, but no one wants to rock the boat too much as the Middle East is unstable enough as is without countries collapsing and another ISIS-like entity trying to seize power.

Re:Prediction

[gtall]

and given how well the U.S. has recently treated Canada, I'm sure Canada will be more than happy to sell the U.S. oil at market prices...after jacking them up to cover the indignities of being lied to by the fake president.

Re:Prediction

[Anonymous Coward]

The West is just too dependent on Saudi oil

Oil is a fungible globally traded commodity. If KSA decided not to sell any oil to the US it would have no impact on anything. Whoever Saudi oil went to instead would simply end up buying less from other sources who would end up selling more to US.

If KSA disappeared entirely production would easily come online elsewhere to pick up demand. US imports roughly as much from Mexico as it does KSA. Currently high single digit percentage of overall imports and dropping.

plus theyâ(TM)re considered friendly to western interests. No one will have the will to really punish them.

B U L L S H I T

KSA funds the world wide network of nutcase religious schools popular with ISIS and similar crazies blowing themselves up around the world.

Members of KSA political hierarchy have been funding efforts attributable to deaths of hundreds of US military members in Iraq.

79% of 9/11 hijackers were Saudi citizens.

KSAs society is permeated with stoneage sensibilities.

They are conducting wholesale slaughter operations (e.g. War Crimes) against Yemeni civilians using US made weapon systems.

Inbreeding is common. Many in KSAs political hierarchy are mentally deranged as a result. This is no joke or insult it's reality.

I think what this incident stands a good chance of doing is forever unraveling the carefully managed public perception of what KSA really is and really stands for.

It will begin to demand a political price for kissing Saudi royalities ass and reward politicians who take stands against KSA.

Re:Prediction

[dunkelfalke]

What you fail to realise is that oil is a global commodity. Sure, you import more of it from Canada, but the price you pay is the price Saudi Arabia sets.

Re:Prediction

[bluegutang]

The US has enough oil to avoid buying from nasty petrostates. But Europe and Asia don't.

Re:Prediction

[Anonymous Coward]

Your argument does not hold water.

Constant and stable oil from Saudi keeps supply high which keeps prices low in the US.

Not to mention that all this plastic garbage we buy from the rest of the world can come from oil produced in Saudi.

Everything in US policy domestically and internationally is about economics, and oil is a huge part of all economics. Manipulating oil prices can make certain people even more wealthy.

Re: Prediction

[Anonymous Coward]

Lol. Feel free to fund your own military.

Re:Prediction

[Anonymous Coward]

fake president

The derp is strong with this one.

Can't wait...

[Anonymous Coward]

I can't wait until the Saudis are in their Mercedes and Rolls being pulled by camels. Hopefully the west has substituted something else for oil based transportation by then.

The US is now the world's largest producer of oil and is exporting some of it, but at the rate the US is using it up there will be a time when there's none left or at least its cost is not competitive for its use as a source of energy.

Re: Can't wait...

[Nidi62]

That's why they've invested so much into SV. The Saudi government knows the oil gravy train cant run forever so they are diversifying their income stream. The Saudi government is heavy into real estate as well.

Literally, rape this archie bunker faggot to death

[Anonymous Coward]

Prison is going to suck for Trumptard traitors, except for the unsolicited prison sex they obviously crave. Rape this inbred nazi faggot to death, make it so.

In my book

[Anonymous Coward]

Saudi Arabia is still an enemy to the united states on the same level as Iraq & Libya ever were.

Good thing for them that we're a bunch of greedy cowards now. You can attack us on our soil all you want as long as you grease a few palms.

If you really want to see who has a Saudi problem

[Shadow of Eternity]

take a look at how much influence the Saudis have bought in mainstream media outlets and academia. There's a reason the former will lie through their teeth about Israel even as Hamas claims armed combatants and live video shows armed terrorists with guns and high explosives, and latter is increasingly full of people who will openly violently attack jewish students just for existing while heaping praise on arab colonialism.

So it's Saudi Arabia's turn now?

[Anonymous Coward]

To get the Saddam treatment.

SA always had the same laws as the IS. Yet they were America's best friend in the region.
Because their leaders obeyed the USA.

Who here remembers when Saddam was America's best friend aka henchman in the region?
Suddenly he became "the new Hitler" literally over night. Only beause he stopped obeying, and attacked Quwait instead of Iran as he was told to, because he was tired of losing. That is literally all that changed. He already was an asshole before.

And why did he keep losing? Because Iran had the third or fourth largest military in the world.
And why was that?
Because Iran got the same treament before!

Does anyone remember, when *Iran* was the USA's best friend in the region? "As a stronghold against communism." (As if the Russian dictatorship wasn't a big enough enemy of communism themselves. Stretching out the "transition phase" ad infinitum.)
Then, the Iranians suffered so much under their US puppet dictator, that they fell for religion, and in their desperation, chose a religious nutjob. Which would be like the USA having a literal revolution, to install the WBC, just to get rid of Trump.
Bam, they were the new Hitlers.

Why do you think with recently taking Russia out lf the convenieg enemy figure closet again, suddenly they try to get along with Iran again, just when a new US-friendly leader jumps out of nowhere.

So now it's Saudi Arabia's turn. To be turned back into a desert wasteland.
Did they get too cocky? Or is it simply that China bough the oil instead and became their new oil best buddies, and now that the USA got more oil-independent, the old SA shit does not fly anymore?

Oh well... at least it will be the the USA's very first actual blow against terrorism.
Which will come back to bite them, once the Russia scarecrow is all used up again, and they realize, that idiot TrumpObamaBush emptied the closet. ;)

Re:So it's Saudi Arabia's turn now?

[Anonymous Coward]

As if the Russian dictatorship wasn't a big enough enemy of communism themselves

I like how you're tacitly trying to dissociate the two here. That "Russian dictatorship" you speak of is theoretical communism put in practice.

Re:So it's Saudi Arabia's turn now?

[farble1670]

Which will come back to bite them, once the Russia scarecrow is all used up again, and they realize, that idiot TrumpObamaBush emptied the closet. ;)

Comrade, you've outdone yourself. Extra vodka serving tonight.

Re:So it's Saudi Arabia's turn now?

[aralin]

I actually grew up in the Eastern Block and this is simply something you were taught to think. The dictatorship of the communist party had nothing, except for lip service, to do with communism or even socialism. It was the bullshit they used to justify their dictatorship, just like Wahabism is the bullshit Saudi Kings use to justify their dictatorship and just like democracy is what the United States use to justify their fascism. But sure... go ahead think whatever you like. The Chinese will soon take over anyway, no matter what any of us do or think.

Re:So it's Saudi Arabia's turn now?

[dcw3]

FU and FU to all who modded this revisionist BS up.

Isis == Saudi Arabia without oil

[Qbertino]

This isn't really news for those who pay attention.

Re:Isis == Saudi Arabia without oil

[labnet]

Which is why the USA has been really quiet about the Syria conflict lately. America did a deal with Saudi Arabia to always price it's oil in USD, which we call the petrodollar. This has been critical to USA world power and why the Saudis get a free pass when most of 9/11 attackers came from there and they fund much of the worlds Islamic terrorism.

Re:Isis == Saudi Arabia without oil

[Anonymous Coward]

For the same reason they're quiet about Yemen. Well Trump did a bit of campaign talk, but that went away with SA promise to buy 100 billion in weapons. Also they accepted cooperation with Israel government (orchestrated via son in law of president).

Now a bit of fuss about this, but make sure it will all continue as before as soon as they're out of focus.

Re:Isis == Saudi Arabia without oil

[azrael29a]

"Isis == Saudi Arabia without oil"

Not really. ISIS funded most of their operations by _selling oil_ from the lands they've controlled. Iran was buying some of it.

Re:Isis == Saudi Arabia without oil

[vovin]

ISIS is also heavily funded by Saudi Arabia in both cash and transfer of weapons, of which I fully expect a large percentage of the latest 100b deal to funneled to ISIS.

Under is losing money

[Anonymous Coward]

It's nice to know who is subsidizing drunks getting home from a night at the bars.

A buch of clueless random people...

[Anonymous Coward]

..who couldn't even find an excuse to get out of jury duty.

Who are as easy to influence as "voters", and basically jump on the first rage bandwagon that tickles their triggers.

As opposed to, you know, ... the actual experts in law. Judges!

Not even mentioning, that the biggest expertise of and adhetence to law does not mean shit, if the law itself is basically just a codified version of dictatorial cruel troglodyte-level primitive childish rage-based revenge violence against the closest scapegoat, based on invalid logic, belief, and not even a whiff of scientific principles.

Dark ages VS pretentious dark ages behind a curtain/veil.
No difference to me.

PIF is dangerous

[140Mandak262Jamuna]

Not because they invest in Silicon Valley. But because they are Saudi.

They way jerked the rag under Elon Musk shows they are not to be trusted. Tell him, "I am the final authority, I approve, let us do the deal at 419$", Elon, "what about 420?". "OK deal". The idiot tweeting prematurely was probably not part of the plan, just an additional unexpected bonus.

Re:PIF is dangerous

[Anonymous Coward]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Re: PIF is dangerous

[Anonymous Coward]

So now it's not Elon's fault? We are blaming the saudis?

Re:PIF is dangerous

[110010001000]

Jerked out the rag under Elon Musk? They bought 5% of Tesla at that point. They love Tesla and Elon. Apparently the feeling is mutual.

Re:PIF is dangerous

[Megol]

I sure hope you are joking.

Re: PIF is dangerous

[140Mandak262Jamuna]

Elon was naive. His mistake was tweeting the deal before it was inked and written up solid.

Right now I don't care about Elon.

Some low level concern about Tesla. But on the long run, Elon will for ever be remembered for unleashing the genie out of the bottle. He may or may not benefit from the windfall that is going to generate. Heck, even Tesla might not get a significant chunk of that gold strike. But, the fact remains, the genie is out and the ICEV is a dead thing walking. Chicken that had its head chopped off, still running around without realizing it.

No Elon did not invent the battery, nor the electric car, nor manufacturing, not any one serious component of Tesla. He defied the industry and proved one thing. A no compromise electric car can be built. That is what he showed. Can out accelerate 200K gasoline cars. Can handle better than any 100K car. Can go as far as you want, 300 miles in one charge, 30 minutes to recharge another 150 miles. Can be done. Proved. On the road. This is just the start. You ain't seen nothin' yet.

A ICEV four wheel drive is a complex contraption with a transfer case and locking differentials and limited slip clutches. A real symphony of mechanical parts. As an Aero engineer I marvel that they could do this. But in an EV, there can be two motors, one per axle mechanically disconnected. The regenerative braking can be applied with milliseconds apart between front and rear axles. Torque can be applied with a time lag. No mechanical car even come close.

Then it gets better, they can have four motors, one per wheel, mechanically disconnected. The differential rotational speed can turn the car at high speeds. In fact a four motor electric car does not need a rack and pinion steering, no hydraulics. Just plain differential rotational speed can do it. Have you seen what four rotors can do to a drone? Flying like an insect in 3D space? Well, a four motor electric car can do it on the race track, turn radius is limited only by the coefficient of friction between the tires and the track. Instantaneous response on the wheel to the throttle and steering inputs. No ICEV can even come close.

Will Tesla make it? I don't know. Will Elon be involved in such a car? I don't know.

But that car is coming. When that car is running, people will credit Elon for breaking through the log jam created by the perfect storm of vested interests, unimaginative engineers, engineers who could do it but lacked the ability to articulate that vision, bean counters, short term fundings from the capital markets, and showing what an electric can do.

May be he is crazy, may be he is unfit to be a CEO with twitter happy fingers, but that level of crazyness is the only thing that could have broken the log jam.

Re: PIF is dangerous

[140Mandak262Jamuna]

A four motor electric car is simplicity itself.

It does not need rack and pinion steering. Differential rotation can steer the car at any speed and extremely tight turn radius. Even zero turn radius!

It does not need disk brakes. The motors can brake the car all the way to stand still, and can even hold it there, even on inclines with an active battery. It would need just a parking brake to hold it when the main computer is shut down.

No steering, no brakes. So no hydraulics! No engine oil. No transmission fluid. No radiator fluid. What you have is a skate board of a battery as the floor, four wheels and motors and a computer. Thats it. Motors have one rotor and one stator, and no grinding sliding friction component, no piston rings to wear out. The only thing that will wear out are the bearings. Most expensive thing is the battery and it can be designed to be replaced. If the coach work is bolted on, this thing can last a century! Replace pieces at a time, and in 100 years your great grand child can ponder philosophically is it still the same car great grandpa bought.

Tesla and Elon might not be the ones who take us to that future. But... Moses never reached the promised land either.

Re: PIF is dangerous

[Anonymous Coward]

Finally, someone with a brain posts to slashdot!

Re:PIF is dangerous

[Rei]

Still own 5%. And just granted Tesla the right to run wholly foreign owned stores and service centres in the country. And there's supposed to be a huge cleantech announcement on the 18th that many (not including me) are speculating has to do with Tesla.

Needless to say, this is now - not to put too fine a point on it - an uncomfortable situation for Tesla, and the numerous other Silicon Valley companies that find themselves in similar situations. It was always awkward to work with Saudi Arabia, but nobody wants to touch them with a ten foot pole now..

Re:PIF is dangerous

[110010001000]

Why uncomfortable? From what I understand Musk welcomes them and considered selling Tesla to them. What makes you think he is "uncomfortable" with them? Seems like best buddies to me.

Re:PIF is dangerous

[DerekLyons]

They way jerked the rag under Elon Musk shows they are not to be trusted.

Wait, what? How, exactly, did they jerk the rug out from under Elon Musk?

Re: PIF is dangerous

[dunkelfalke]

I have read some people doing exactly that - using the motors as brakes in a four electric motor dump truck. They said that it is very difficult to do right and can often lead to situations where the truck goes back and forth just a little instead of standing perfectly still, making drivers nauseous.

Re: PIF is dangerous

[Anonymous Coward]

Make one with three wheels if that makes sense. Two wheels on front, one wheel on back configuration? I'm cheap, so I figure out one less wheel == cheaper.

I've not studied it or anything but would three motors, three wheels work?
Guess what having brakes wouldn't hurt that much, I guess people would be wary of legal issue or just the danger of dying, not just me.

Re: PIF is dangerous

[140Mandak262Jamuna]

Tesla model 3, with creep mode off, will automatically apply parking brakes when the car comes to rest. You don't need heavy hydraulics and disk brakes. Simple chain and hold the drive shaft tight, that is enough.

My BMW X3 (ICEV) also has automatic parking brakes. It quite easy to implement.

Re: PIF is dangerous

[140Mandak262Jamuna]

New Tesla roadster is coming up with a three motor configuration, two motors for each rear wheel, a single motor for the front axle, and vectored torque. It is going to blow the minds of people what can be done with electric motors in driving dynamics.

There is an enthusiast, Tesla fan who is putting 1000 hp motors in each wheel, built into the hub. ICE is dead.

Hillary Clinton's campaign financier

[Anonymous Coward]

Hillary Clinton's campaign financier was the House of Saud and China iirc. Isn't it funny how the USA's biggest enemies were behind her?

BIGGEST ENEMY OF ALL = -> https://www.infowars.com/trump... & oddly enough the HISTORICALLY KNOWN CROOKS that run that "fine institution" are related to the Arab & have been KICKED NATION TO NATION thru time.

I don't know who's worse. I do know we ought to let THEM once & for all FIGHT IT OUT THEMSELVES & finish it - but WE stay the hell OUT of it.

(Keep the USA way OUT OF EVERYONE ELSE'S NATION PERIOD - that's bullshit to tell others how to live OR DIE in THEIR OWN HOUSE & by their own brand of "stupid" that COSTS US IN THE END ANYHOW - playing us like morons by using GREEDY bribable officials & BOUGHT OFF MEDIA to brainwash the masses to do so - yea, "stop the spread of communism" ala VietNam right? WRONG! Doesn't work but WAR PROFITEERS (biggest moneymakers of all) profit @ your loved ones expense!).

REPOSTED vs. a JACKASS that can't dispute FACT I used https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

APK

P.S.=> IF I'm off/wrong, feel free to correct me (seems NOBODY can per this downmod of last time I posted this https://news.slashdot.org/comm... )... apk

Why not a "problem" pre-Koshoggi?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why wasn't Saudi money a "problem" before Koshoggi disappeared? Hell, Koshoggi isn't likely at all to be murdered in the Middle East for political reasons and the guy who probably ordered his murder seems a helluva lot more open to non-fundamentalist-Islam ideals than his predecessors.

And yeah, that's what it comes down to: fundamentalist Islam with its homophobic, misogynistic, violent hatreds.

Which brings us to: If Saudi Arabia's policies are a "problem", why the hell are you ignoring all of Islam?

Re:Why not a "problem" pre-Koshoggi?

[vovin]

It's the same as 'pre-Snowden' and 'pre-wikileaks' dump of diplomatic cables.
Everyone who is dealing with Saudi knows they are an open enemy of the US, but until Turkey called foul and claimed to have evidence the world could play pretend.

Before wikileaks dumped the diplomatic cables *everyone* know about CryptoAG and that the US was listening in.... but embassy's could pretend and hope that it wasn't as bad ... or perhaps the the leaks were overblown, or ... but the cable dump removed all doubt and nobody could pretend it away.

Before Snowden *everyone* knew the NSA was hoovering up data and recording phone calls all over the world, including us domestic calls of us citizens that were illegal according to their mandate, but Snowden's document dump with the help of some US frenemies was enough to remove all reasonable doubt that the NSA was in fact going far beyond it's mandate routinely illegally collecting data.

So post Kashoggi all doubt about the fate of people disappeared has been removed and there is no pretending that they voluntarily disappeared or went into hiding.

To be frank Islam as practiced throughout the middle east is a problem. Islam has many problems .. principally it is resistant to ideological reformation that would make it compatible with modern western civilization. In contract pre-1700 Christianity [after multiple reformations] was itself ill suited to modern western civilization. Core Islamic doctrine still presents a strict divide between 'Muslim' and 'Non-Muslim' where the 'Non-Muslim' is of strictly lesser value https://www.answering-islam.or...
In contract a Muslim living in a western society is still afforded fully equal status.

*YAWN* correct & you prove me right

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: I asked to be corrected IF fact I used is off & you can't manage it vs. https://news.slashdot.org/comm... - only BOGUS "downmods" I overrode SO KEEP BLOWING THOSE DOWNMOD POINTS you have a FINITE supply of... I just win in the end, always!

* ... & you KNOW it...

APK

P.S.=> UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous WEEZIL you are, lol... apk

Re: *YAWN* correct & you prove me right

[Anonymous Coward]

You mean that your too arrogant to accept that you earned your -1 for linking to an obvious fake news site and citing it as fact. Your comments add nothing of value to the discussion. Go away, boy.

Re: *YAWN* correct & you prove me right

[Anonymous Coward]

Boo hoo.

Cry some more, you butthurt baby. Maybe you should go stalk Zontar and c6gunner some more, too.

Go make some more bogus claims about hosts protecting against Meltdown and Spectre, too.

Facebook, youtube, google...

[Anonymous Coward]

Thats why criticism of Islam is against community rules.

America loves to pretend it's a good country

[Anonymous Coward]

and that other countries, sometimes merely because they exist, are the axis of evil. One man disappears and suddenly the whole world should pretend Saudi Arabia doesn't exist.

Meanwhile, a dozen men, women, and children are killed every day by American drone strikes, but we're not supposed to talk about that.

Re: If you really want to see who has a Saudi prob

[Anonymous Coward]

what a load of shit

Tesla and the Saudis

[110010001000]

They are also a 5% owner of Tesla, and apparently Elon Musk has discussed further investment with them and also selling the company to them. I guess he likes those guys.

Re:Tesla and the Saudis

[Anonymous Coward]

I guess you're a cunt.

No, I KNOW you're a cunt.

Re:Tesla and the Saudis

[Anonymous Coward]

They are also a 5% owner of Tesla, and apparently Elon Musk has discussed further investment with them and also selling the company to them. I guess he likes those guys.

I think they are the ones the pushed Tesla over the $300/share the last time. However, Fidelity. T.Rowe and a couple of other huge holders sold their LONG positions when it jumped up so high.

But Musk likes to blame the "shorts" for his failings and uses them as the scapegoat for his own incompetence. The fanboys and fangirls eat it up and parrot it here on Slashdot and add some of their own bullshit - Tesla fanboys are incapable of understanding financial statements or how business is actually run. They're in for the dream and one day, a personal tweet from Musk saying how wonderful he thinks they are.

Re:Tesla and the Saudis

[110010001000]

You know who else hated the "shorts"? The Enron guys. They HATED them. They used to call them terrorists and un-American. Sounds familar.

Re:Tesla and the Saudis

[Anonymous Coward]

You know who really liked breathing? Hitler!

Re:Tesla and the Saudis

[dcw3]

False equivalence. The two have nada to do with each other.

maybe if jury duty payed more it whould not suck

[Joe_Dragon]

maybe if jury duty payed more it would not suck.

Try full min wage + free meal + full IRS mileage + parking (or full travel costed covered)

The last time I had it the pay just really only coved the public transport costs to get there.

Dear "SOROS loser": Newsflash

[Anonymous Coward]

Dear "SOROS loser": Newsflash - your side did what it ALWAYS does, lose - accept it (or can't you accept REALITY?)...

* Apparently not!

(ALL YOU DO is "HIDE" behind UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts FURTHER making yourself out a FOOL you dimwitted little PAID OFF PUPPET thinking he can "fool" others with your BULLSHIT, lol!)

APK

P.S.=> Now hurry up & run back to your "masters" ROTHCHILD (for whom SOROS is even their "protege puppet") - crying "HELP ME MOMMY - I can't beat facts!" & NEITHER CAN THEY - they can only BUY UP NEWSCORP to feed the GOY CATTLE FAKE NEWS to mislead them https://www.infowars.com/trump... ? Good boy - now "SHOO" bitch!... apk

Re: Dear "SOROS loser": Newsflash

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh, look, it's retard APK linking to fake news sites like they're actual news. Come back when you have something to contribute other than stalking c6gunner and posting bullshit conspiracy theories.

By the way, your claim is misleading that you own your own house and that it was paid off over a decade ago. The truth is that you bought it for $1 from Jan Kowalski (your mother) on October 14, 2010. Your mother paid off the house and then gave it to you as a gift. She probably didn't want you living on the street because you don't have a job and spend your life trolling Slashdot.

Re: Dear "SOROS loser": Newsflash

[Anonymous Coward]

APK talking about others failing to accept reality?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Ha!

Calling an oligarchic dictatorship "democratic"...

[Anonymous Coward]

I agree that the mob are morons, but what makes you so much better? And who gets to decide who's better anyway? To me, you look like a tyrant and a mob too, for example.

And how the hell does a grown person still not realize the contradiction in a "representative leader"? Do they lead? Which means they tell others what to do. Or do they represent? Which means following what others tell them to do.
They are simply tyrants who try to justify their tyranny by saying that they represent someone.
The only case where that is true, is with lobbyist politicians, that are corporate employees, being put into political positions. But they only represent their owners, of course. And those are the leaders.

In any case, you desperately need to look up what a democracy is. Because the tyranny of the majority is its whole damn point. If you don't like it, that's OK, but don't act like you don't dislike democracy then.

Yeah, fuck your cognitive dissonance. Sideways. With a wire brush.

No but that's still whataboutism

[rsilvergun]

And the US at least has pockets of sanity. Our constitution makes theocracy explicitly illegal (though I'm aware of growing movement to institute one, our current VP is a Dominionist for example...). There's several states that have abolished the death penalty (though we haven't had the strength of character to do it nationally).

Yeah, we've got our share of problems, but that doesn't make anything the Saudis do any better. If you want to find a fault in us it's that we continue to sell them weapons and help them bomb schools in Yemen...

I keep asking this on these kind of threads

[rsilvergun]

but is this gonna change how anyone votes? Donald Trump just said the quiet part out loud. He walked it back because it made him look weak, not because it was a morally reprehensible thing.

This keeps happening too. Paul Ryan has repeatedly called to privatize Medicare for anyone under 55 (being careful not to risk votes of current seniors). Net Neutrality is dead. There's a serious challenge to the Affordable Care Acts protection of pre-existing conditions which I know many /.ers depend on (we're an aging demographic, so we got pre-existing issues alright). So far none of this has budged polls. There might be a bit of a shake up in the mid terms, but only because voters traditionally hand the other side the house just to balance things out. And even then those voters are voting for the more conservative candidates out of the other side, so it's all much the muchness.

So is anyone going to drastically change who their vote for, or start voting consistently when they didn't bother in the past? Is this or anything else above enough to change voting behavior?

Re:I keep asking this on these kind of threads

[Darinbob]

People wont' change much. They will vote against their own interests as long as they think their candidate is on their side. If their top concern is getting rid of abortion then they won't care if their candidate strips away other freedoms at the same time, and if their top concern is protecting their domestic job then they won't care if the economy suffers. The average voter doesn't like complexity and isn't thinking about complex trade-offs, so instead thinks in very simple terms such as "my guy versus their guy".

Re:I keep asking this on these kind of threads

[vovin]

Interesting question ... it there any reason to believe that HRC or anyone else in that seat would *do* any different? We know HRC was tight with Saudi and knew Saudi was sending the weapons the were buying (under here okay as US Sec Of State) to support ISIS in Syria. We know Obama was tight with Saudi, we know the Bushes were all best fiends with the Saudi and investment partners with the 'bin Laden' family.

So what new crazy outsider do you image sitting the the hot seat will do it differently?

IMO there is no candidate that can make it through to the ballet that would do any different ... sure they would use different words or demand some slap on the wrist but nobody gets there without being co-opted ... except for the current guy .. because we all laughed at the SOB ... and then he won.

NVidia is a startup now?

[Anonymous Coward]

News to me.

extremely obvious things for 500, Alex

[epine]

Ignoring all the purple prose (what's the agenda there?), a thinking person really ought to come up short at the phrase "unlikely benefactor". Hard short.

Perhaps I have a superior education, but I would have filed this under: I'll take extremely obvious things for 500, Alex. Consider: one of the largest nest eggs in human history recently celebrated their golden gooses 65th birthday party. Certainly not dead yet, but unmistakably slowing down. Early-bird dinner discounts. That kind of thing.

Optimistically, the Saudi's have about twenty-year grace period to diversify 75% of their existing economy. This in an economy where perhaps 10% of the Saudi nationals know how to hold down a full time job at Standard Global Capitalism Workaholism Level 3. (Even the French are at level 4.)

If you haven't seen the big Saudi diversification coming, I'd be suing your educational institution. They can't have taught you anything useful, at all, ever.

LOL! Fact & I defy + DEFEAT you

[Anonymous Coward]

Especially the fact I RUN YOU DRY of downmodpoints you abuse vs. facts you can't beat on HOSTS https://it.slashdot.org/commen... for efficacy.

For efficiency it's LIGHTER than security issue riddled DNS & faster + same for AntiVirus (bug riddled too & TONS of heavy moving parts slowing you too - hosts speed you up 2 ways by comparison).

* LMAO!

ALL "your kind" can do is demonstrate your TRUE CHARACTER (cowardice) & HIDE from me but yet you NEVER PROVE ME WRONG either.

Maturity? & "/. is all I have"??

Puh-LEEZ - Speak for yourself punk as YOU'RE HERE TOO stupid!

I easily run roughshod over "your kind" with FACT because I LIKE IT & it's not only FUN destroying you PUBLICLY with facts, it's also EASY too!

APK

P.S.=> I thought "your kind" was 'smart' - I've proven THAT completely a lie too LMAO - & you EXPECT ME, your SUPERIOR, to "obey you", BITCH? RoTfLmAo... apk

Re: LOL! Fact & I defy + DEFEAT you

[Anonymous Coward]

Cry some more about moderation, you butthurt baby...

Your hosts file software is malware. You can't even be bothered to digitally sign it, so it can't be trusted and should be treated as malware.

APK Hosts File Engine should be avoided at all costs. Steven Black's hosts file program is far superior and can be trusted because the source is available to anyone.

Far from crying like YOU... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm not crying, you are: I am LMAO @ U & "your kind" here https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

* You idiots have tried to IMPERSONATE me saying hosts cure specte & meltdown (best "your kind" has is LIES & FAKE NEWS (who owns that I wonder, lol - your kind)).

I never said that. I know better. So does anyone else. You lose.

It really IS all "your kind" ever does as its all you KNOW how to do. Especially vs. me.

Shame it ALWAYS backfires on you. You do it to yourself.

APK

P.S.=> What I do show in that link above is FACT that DUSTS your DUMBASS with ease (& you KNOW it, & prove it w/ you being REDUCED TO LIES, lol)... apk

Re: Far from crying like YOU... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

Impersonation? That's your standard lie to try to explain things away when you get caught in other lies. You're a compulsive liar and a retard spammer.

I'm not crying: I'm LMAO @ U

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: Why am I lmao @ u? Getting you to CRY like you are = too easy & running you DRY of downmodpoints = even easier, lol! HOWEVER - you have made me LAUGH SO HARD tears came to my eyes, lol!

* My software's malware you say?

Yea, ok - not: You TRIED THAT TOO recently & long before it - what happened?

I SHOT YOU DOWN with EASE as usual via facts you cannot defeat on that very lie of yours https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

ESPECIALLY vs. THAT LIE of YOURS too, lol!

APK

P.S.=> Keep cryin - your TEARS & tantrums make me LAUGH @ U, & bank on the fact everyone IS laughing @ you too as I do it, lol... apk

Re: I'm not crying: I'm LMAO @ U

[Anonymous Coward]

So says the retard who keeps crying about "downmodpoints" because he's obsessed with Slashdot and butthurt that his offtopic spam keeps getting (correctly) modded down.

You're a crybaby loser who thinks he's world class. LOL!

No I bought it. Check tax or realestate

[Anonymous Coward]

Fact is, I bought it. Check tax (I paid it current as usual) records: FACTS like ones on the illegal Federal Reserve YOU CANNOT DEFEAT!

* Truth & FACT always defeat you FOR ME (along w/ your weak lies - thank you).

So yes, my house IS paid off in FULL, I paid the taxes in FULL, & you are DESPERATE but losing as always, lol!

You can TRY & fail to attack me illogical ad hominem style, but you can't beat fact & truth.

So do YOU own YOUR own home PAID IN FULL? Let's see THAT outta you, loser.

(You probably live under a bridge like the TROLL YOU ARE, lol).

APK

P.S.=> Last fact: Jan Kowalski != a WOMAN - it's my Dad you uncultured BOOR imbecile (Jan = JOHN in Polish) - I bought his home because I did 90% of the work on it over decades & KNEW it inside & out (solid home) & I put in another 35k into it to make it MORESO... apk

Re: No I bought it. Check tax or realestate

[Anonymous Coward]

You didn't pay off the house. Your patents did. You bought it for $1, which is essentially a gift from your parents.

The property was assessed with a value of just over $100k, and the only improvements listed are from 1970. If you actually put in $35k in improvements since October 2010, that says even more about how much of a shithole your house is.

Re: No I bought it. Check tax or realestate

[Anonymous Coward]

Poster doesnt know tax does not indicate how much he paid for the house. Tax is for its assessed worth, which is always its market value, even if he only paid $1 for it.

Again: I'm not crying - you are though, lol!

[Anonymous Coward]

Again: I'm not crying - you are outta 'downmodpoints' & the ability to PROVE my prog's malware https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... - thank you for defeating yourself FOR me.

* RoTfLmAo @ U publicly, lol!

(No "small wonder" that "your kind" HAS TO HIDE from me by your UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts).

APK

P.S.=> You LOSE as always, on ALL fronts - but then, you're USED to that aren't you, loser? Yes... lol! apk

Re: Again: I'm not crying - you are though, lol!

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't mod you down. I prefer your posts to be at 0 rather than -1 so more people see just how stupid you truly are. I want people to see that you're a butthurt crybaby spammer who hasn't done anything useful with his life.

Ok proof & fact dusts ya AGAIN, lol

[Anonymous Coward]

Do I say hosts cure spectre OR meltdown on the download page for my program where I list facts on what it can do for you @ Start64.com? No, I do not.

(You morons try telling LIES impersonating me & fail as I always catch you in it & everyone SEES that - you just don't "get it" do you? Your kind's LIES are what makes you the despised weasels you are - truth ALWAYS comes out on top, fact & I do too)

APK

Re: Ok proof & fact dusts ya AGAIN, lol

[Anonymous Coward]

Fact: your hosts file spam frequently claims that it protects against Meltdown and Spectre. I can provide tens of links to APK spam making such claims.

You have no proof for claiming that you've been impersonated. Any such claim from you should be treated as highly suspect.

You avoid MY question - why's that?

[Anonymous Coward]

You avoid MY question - why's that? What home do YOU own paid in full as I do I improved (I paid it off in full on purchase, period & IMPROVED it)...

See subject - & you?

* Come on UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous troll - let's see what YOU have!

(NOTHING but your lies & being a loser, lol!)

APK

P.S.=> Like I said (lol) - like MOST trolls? I wager you live under a bridge (one you do NOT own, hahaha)... apk

Re: You avoid MY question - why's that?

[Anonymous Coward]

You bought your home for $1. That's a fact. Given that the assessor's office values the property at slightly over $100k, that's considered a gift for taxation purposes. That's the law, and being able to pay off $1 in full is nothing to brag about. Perhaps this gift should be reported to the IRS so they can make sure that taxes were properly paid on this gift.

All the proof I need is YOU RUNNING from

[Anonymous Coward]

This question: Do I say hosts cure spectre OR meltdown on the download page @ start64.com for my program where I list facts on what it does for you No, I do not.

* SEE SUBJECT & KEEP "RUNNING" Forrest...

(Thanks for making ME look GOOD & yourself like the UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous loser coward you are).

APK

P.S.=> Funny you can't disprove VALID DATA on hosts efficacy for security I noted here too https://it.slashdot.org/commen... lol - on not only EFFICACY in SECURITY vs. threats/malware but also for speed from security pros AND our /. peers ... you did better? Hell no, lol... apk

Re: All the proof I need is YOU RUNNING from

[Anonymous Coward]

You've posted that claim many times in Slashdot comments. Do I need to provide links to all of your spam comments about how hosts supposedly protect against Meltdown and Spectre?

You keep claiming you're being impersonated, yet you conveniently have zero evidence to support it. If you're truly being impersonated and don't like it, create an account. Of course, you'll be modded into oblivion because 99% of your posts are offtopic spam and/or crybaby lunatic nonsense.

I'm worth gifting - you're not & you HIDE, lol

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm worth gifting - you're not & you HIDE, lol & run from my asking what home is it you own paid off in full? Well troll??

* Kind of hard to own that BRIDGE you live under troll, lol - isn't it???

(You're nothing & keep PROVING it, off-topic trying to illogical ad hominem attack me too - priceless & HILARIOUS)

APK

P.S.=> Go do what you want - it's fun seeing you FLOP on your FACE & RUNNING from a simple question lol... apk

Re: I'm worth gifting - you're not & you HIDE,

[Anonymous Coward]

You whining about ad hominem attacks? LOLOLOLOL! Such hypocrisy.

I've looked at your house on Google Street View. The piece of shit looks like it's poorly maintained and ought to be condemned.

Again I did not (Start64.com proves it)

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: Why won't you answer a question I asked you "Forrest" RUN? You have links where you IMPERSONATE me?

List a few & let's see THIS:

FUNNIEST PART IS I'm probably under MOST IF NOT ALL of them saying I do NOT say hosts cure meltdown & spectre YOU impersonated me SAYING I DO & that yes, you IMPERSONATED ME doing that lie since you can't beat me STRAIGHT UP with facts I use on you to PUBLICLY CRUSH YOU & "Your kind" (liars & losers, lol).

I catch most, IF NOT ALL, times you are REDUCED to your lies that way, everyone SEES it too, lol!

APK

P.S.=> Do you REALLY think you're "fooling anyone" but yourself? Please, lol - IF my program COULD cure Spectre &/or Meltdown that FACT would be on the download page @ Start64 where I DO list what hosts do for users in more speed/security/reliability... apk

Re: Again I did not (Start64.com proves it)

[Anonymous Coward]

Obviously your software can't protect against Meltdown, Spectre, or most other threats. Your hosts file software is like an antivirus that only uses filenames to detect malware. It's ineffective and prone to false positives, yet you dramatically overstate its capabilities to the point of outright lying (claiming hosts does port filtering).

How much did you say it's worth? 127k??

[Anonymous Coward]

How much did you say it's worth? 127k?? Clue: You don't condemn a nice place like mine worth that. You wouldn't know as you clearly live under a bridge like all trolls do (except, lmao - you probably RENT there too, lol, as the other trolls charge you for putting up with "your kind" - the UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous loser troll hahahaha).

* I'd say you're WORTHLESS but I don't have to - you have PROVEN that, nothing to show for yourself.

RoTfLmAo @ U penniless the CLOWN!

APK

P.S.=> Again, what home do you own? Let's see it - you don't have one - you're worthless... apk

Re:How much did you say it's worth? 127k??

[Anonymous Coward]

The land it sits on is probably worth $140k but it would cost $13k to demolish and haul that piece of shit dump away which is why it is assessed at $127k. Your place is a blight on a neighborhood full of regular blight. No go swill some miller lite in the driveway and tell us all about how you are living the good life in your crime ridden neighborhood.

127k by some estimates (less on others)

[Anonymous Coward]

127k by some estimates (less on others) - & on taxes? In NY State I GET RAPED hard (compared to other states) bigtime but I pay 'em. Same w/ utilities costs in NY too under UK owned NATIONAL GRID (GREED). They quadrupled our costs.

* Have no choice...

WHAT I LIKE THOUGH THE MOST HERE?

Penniless the CLOWN troll won't answer a simple question I asked him here https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

APK

P.S.=> "Gosh golly gee - I wonder WHY?" (Not - like all trolls he lives under a bridge - except the other trolls CHARGE HIM RENT as they can't stand him either due to his UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous illogical ad hominem attacks he fails in vs. me, lol)... apk

No, The US is a Representative Republic.

[Anonymous Coward]

No, it is not a democracy.

The US is a representative republic.

Works great & is lighter + native!

[Anonymous Coward]

Works great vs. malscript/botnets etc. https://it.slashdot.org/commen... & is lighter + native + is FASTER than Antivirus or DNS that SLOW YOU (hosts speed you up 2 ways by comparison & USE LESS by far vs. either one, less moving parts for exploit too via a SOLID PROVEN kernelmode cpu priority speed IP stack vs. usermode OR filtering driver overheads).

NO denying it - hosts work. Even vs. DNS issues in redirect poisoning OR tracking you for your fav sites @ top of hosts.

Why do you THINK I have over 100k users of it worldwide & even /. users PRAISING it? Raymorris perhaps especially.

APK

P.S.=> Don't LIKE what's in it? EDIT HOSTS (easy) OR just add to its FP list so entries you do NOT WANT in it are there protecting vs. falsies - simple (linux model only is editable. Windows version is hardcoded that way though).

Re: Works great & is lighter + native!

[Anonymous Coward]

Parent is a fake APK. The real APK always ends his PS with ...apk. Also, APK Hosts File Engine is the computing equivalent of the TSA: security theatre, but little in the way of actual security.

Not going to happen

[Anonymous Coward]

Nope. Oil is just too darn good. Now, tech allows for inferior substitutes, like battery powered electric cars. Plastics are made from oil. Except for short distances, air travel requires fossil fuels.

Agreed! I love it seen I crush you, lol! apk

[Anonymous Coward]

Only time you shittalk is when I run you dry of downmodpoints (I love it, then I cut you up easily) ZIP https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... after you ADMIT you have a registered account here downmodding me JEALOUS "Lil' JOWIE" whom I cut to pieces point by "so-called FAILED 'point'" of yours too (lmao) https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

* I gotta say it - it's TRADITION since you make it so easy to dispose of you & "your kind" (UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous worms I have cut to bits under your doubtless MANY sockpuppet accounts before hence your hiding):

THIS?

This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - just '2ez'"... & it always is vs. undereducated UNSKILLED lying trolling weezils (like you).

APK

P.S.=> Fact & truth boys - undeniable, concrete & VERIFIABLE proofs I use DESTROY you along w/ you DESTROYING yourselves & making ME look GREAT - yourselves by comparison? Like the deceitful JEALOUS do-nothing "ne'er-do-well" shit & mere TALKERS (but not doers I am) you are, lol! apk

Re:Agreed! I love it seen I crush you, lol! apk

[Anonymous Coward]

I mod you down because you are a useless fat incel troll, who lies and is delusional. You never won a thing or did anything worthy of note, you useless turd.

Re: Chinese Fentanyl isnt German

[Anonymous Coward]

But nice try Chinklover!

APK is projecting his inadequacy again... fku

[Anonymous Coward]

I'll post using your moronic logic and annoying formatting, so maybe you'll be able to keep up despite your demonstrable lack of intellect.

Other registered Slashdot users like and enjoy my logged-in posts, so they mod them up and improve my karma. Because they like my posts and I have excellent karma, I'm able to get mod points, which could be used on your posts.

What logged-in posts have you made that other Slashdot users like and mod up? Show where you have done better than I have, where you've made logged-in posts that get modded up, and where you have an account with excellent karma. Prove that you've done better than I have.

You can't, and you know it. All you have to show for yourself is a bunch of anonymous coward offtopic spam posts that annoy other Slashdot users, so they mod your posts down. You wish you were me, with an account that has a good posting history, excellent karma, and the ability to get mod points. You're just jealous, and your constant posts whining about "downmodpoints" prove it.

Show me where you've done better. You can't and you know it. You're just jealous and wish you were me. You know that you don't contribute anything of value to Slashdot, and you're just protecting your inadequacies onto others like me.

FKU

P.S.=> Run, Forrest, run! You'll use your usual tactics of replying with logical fallacies and dodging my questions because you know you're inferior... fku

Magic money tree

[TJHook3r]

Nobody really questions where investment money comes from but surely even a 5 year old can join the dots - which ethical groups have millions of dollars to chuck around on 1000/1 bets?

Silicon Valley Has Bigger Issues

[Anonymous Coward]

Saudi Arabia only oppress a couple of dozen millions. China uses Valley tech to oppress 1.5 billion.

Change your diet: You EAT YOUR WORDS

[Anonymous Coward]

Change your diet: You EAT YOUR WORDS again & eating your words != GOOD nutrition https://it.slashdot.org/commen... lol!

* Every point enumerated there beneath that post BLOWS YOU AWAY & I understand you can't handle reading it OR letting others do so - it's not MY fault you watch your own THEATER of the ABSURD, lol!

APK

P.S.=> Read 'em & WEEP - as usual concrete, verifiable & UNDENIABLE proof on more speed/security/reliability (even some anonymity vs. DNS tracking OR script tracking) are the yield & RESULT of hosts usage (doing more for FAR LESS natively) - it's not MY FAULT I'm a genius (not really but it pisses you off I say it) spotting that blowing away all naysayers like you - it's yours you are a DO-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well" who COULD DO THE SAME (but you're too lazy or unskilled - your fault, not mine)... apk

ZIP, I'll show YOUR lack of intellect

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject & where I SHOT YOU TO PIECES point by point with verifiable concrete UNDENIABLE facts https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... as you STALK me via UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts (since you know I've cut you up under your FAKE NAME registered doubtless MANY sockpuppet accounts too, lol) so you can try HIDE your many defeats like that one above vs. me ADMITTING you downmod bomb me (especially when I BLOW YOU AWAY EASILY, lol) https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

* RoTfLmAo!

You SEEM to think that "having an account" makes you 'SUPERIOR'? Clue: Under your DELUSIONAL wannabe 'superhero' (or whatever loon ideas you have, lol) names you look like CHILDISH DOLTS!

Especially as I DUST You under those accounts AND force you to BUTTHURT "stalk" me as you do now by UNIDENTFIABLE anonymous, lmao...

Lastly - look: Your IMPERSONATIONS of me OR MY STYLE? Proves you WISH you were me (but a "ne'er-do-well" underskilled wannabe like YOU? Never can be - only POOR "imitation" & not even THAT, lol).

APK

P.S.=> Truer words were NEVER SPOKEN on /. (especially as I back them via undeniable facts in links to CRUSH "your kind" every SINGLE time, lol - easily)... apk

Why don't you use your REAL name?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why don't you use your REAL name, Mr. REALITY? Does your UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous STALKING me lend you credence others ought to heed? No.

Alternately: Do your FAKE NAME accounts (probably many, I know the game & even the film "the 5th estate" has JULIAN ASSANGE showing it IS done, even by webmasters etc.) do so??

HELL NO.

Your reality is that of a no good DO-NOTHING mere "ne'er-do-well" troll, nothing more & I pity you it.

APK

P.S.=> A dose of REALITY proving "your kind" does that when HORRIBLY defeated by MYSELF & fact I use? Here (thanks ZIP, lol) https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... - ESPECIALLY for PROVING you have to HIDE from me (yet 'downmod bomb' me which I OVERRIDE via UNLIMITED posting ability I have) https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... - RoTfLmAo @ U... apk

ZIP, please: A dose of REALITY for you... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: 1st - I've laid more pussy than you've even SEEN your entire wasted do-nothing LIFE & decades ago (can't help I was born GOOD LOOKING & healthy as well as being a hell of an athelete @ one point in my life for a national power no less https://games.slashdot.org/com... & I was LUCKY to have grown up around some of the GREATEST players in that game as pals over time in 2 diff. highschools, later in college too (great guys like Todd Curry OR Tom Korrie from WG & SU)).

2nd: That's NO DELUSION above on women OR sports (or education I possess, & I have more in STRICT CS later ontop of MIS as well as a great career that did well enough I haven't had to WORK FOR OTHERS since 2007 & run a small business instead, successfully enough since).

3rd: As far as CS "exploits"? Would you like a PARTIAL LIST of only some of my FAVORITES over time since 1995?? Ask & ye SHALL receive (much to YOUR dismay).

(On #3? LOL - that is ONLY if you wish to continue EATING YOUR WORDS from behind UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous that is (you're DYING of malnutrition due to it, lol))

APK

P.S.=> Since Lord KNOWS I've EXPLOITED YOUR STUPIDITY lol easily https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... (thanks for making ME look GOOD) & EXPOSING your DECEITS (downmod bombing me YET HIDING from me too which tells me whatever 'accounts' you have here I have CUT YOU UP under them ALL each time, lol) https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... ... apk

Re: ZIP, please: A dose of REALITY for you... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

So says the 54-year old loser who lives with his ex-marine butt buddy. You two seem to engage in some very bizarre and disgusting fetishes, too. Besides, there's nothing attractive about being a retard spammer with no job and very little chance of ever being employed again. You live in a run-down shithole of a house that your parents gave to you as a gift. Were it not for that, you'd be living on the street, shouting at the pedestrians as they walk by, saying they're jealous of your homelessness.

Re:ZIP, please: A dose of REALITY for you... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

Having sex with stray cats is not the kind of pussy they were referring to, neither is naming your hand pussy. By not having to work for others since 2007 APK means he got fired during the great recessions and has been unable to find legal gainful employment since. By being self employed APK means he mans the glory hole in the Pilot Travel Center off of I81 near his house.

Ok, what's fake - tell us... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

Ok, what's fake in 101 points on the NOT federal reserve https://www.infowars.com/trump... ?

You'd know - "your kind" are the EXPERTS on lying & fake news, lol and @ RUNNING from ME, constantly!

LMAO!

APK

P.S.=> Well? Which of those 101 points is LIES?? Enlighten me! Tell us all (why do I KNOW you'll RUN from it OR avoid answering straight points & this question? LMAO - we ALL know why)... apk

We're through the looking glass people

[rsilvergun]

I mean, your accusation that the GP is using an accusation to distract from the original accusation is just another fallacy, right?

Anonymous Coward, am your father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate!

But I'll make it simpler. A straw man is a straw man. Anything used to distract from the central point. The central point here is that Saudi Arabia is a brutal regime that cannot survive on it's own merits and as such uses violence and murder to retain power. Rather than address that the Great Grand Dad called the US out. That's a straw man. Setting something up to be attacked. And it doesn't change a damn thing about Saudi Arabia.

Re:We're through the looking glass people

[TechyImmigrant]

Nah. I questioned the semantics of TFA. Yes S.A. has a brutal regime - I don't dispute that at all.

9/11

[Anonymous Coward]

Generally Im not against moslem v moslem crime or violence. In this case, however, I think that we should finally get revenge for Sept 11. We should seize their assets abroad just like we did to Iran, plunder Saudi Arabia’s natural resources and remove that royal family from power. Of course that will never happen as jvankas butt buddy is the crown prince and they party on his yacht. Fuck. Why do we have to deal with these countries?

Links to Google's 'Good Censor'

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh-so-responsible Google (who call themselves "the Good Censor") is about to create a panopticon search engine for China. Yes, tell us about how Saudi Arabia is the problem here. Google has tons of experience censoring search results in English and is taking that expertise abroad.

Valid links to Google's 'GOOD CENSOR'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

https://www.scribd.com/documen...

Tech scum...

[b0s0z0ku]

And most of the tech scum mentioned aren't doing anything new or original (Uber is still a taxi service at the end of the day, WeWork is a sublessor). They're just using VC scum's money to undercut established local businesses and consolidate them. One more reason why the US needs a good, long, hard tech recession.

Re: Tech scum...

[Anonymous Coward]

I think your recession is going to come sooner than you think. Full employment typically means we are at the end of the business cycle. Thats why the fed is hell bent on quickly raising rates: with trillions still on the balance sheet they have no other weapons.

Re:If you really want to see who has a Saudi probl

[Anonymous Coward]

No kidding, they will cheerfully murder Israeli women and children (sometimes even Muslim Israelis) and the terrorists get a parade and their family gets paid for it by the Palestinian government. If they shoot the murderer in the act the headline reads like "Israeli settler shoots Palestinian" with the details buried, if included at all. I'm sure some immoral jack*** will try to justify murdering women and children as long as they're Israeli, just wondering how quickly this bit of unpleasant truth will be marked down.

Poor Submission

[hoofie]

The article selection is rather poor and simplistic. The relationship between Western Governments and the Saudi's goes back now some 100 years to the founding of Saudi Arabia and is much, much more complex than described involving two world wars and the later discovery of oil.

Saudi money, both from government and private sources, has been poured into Western Economies and businesses for decades. When I worked there in the early 90's, the owner of the business I worked for, a long-established import company, had his personal financial assets invested in the UK and the US and his children educated overseas. He understood that he only operated in business while he was on the right side of the ruling family and ensured that if it all went pear-shaped he would be financially secure in London for example. And he was just one of many, many businessmen who did the same thing.

Good to get some of that oil money back

[Anonymous Coward]

We've been sending billions and billions of dollars every year to people that hate everyone and fund terrorism - for decades. We should get as much of that money back as possible and stop using oil as a fuel ASAP. I hope to see the middle east go bankrupt and go back to being the poor camel herders they were before oil.

Let's not pretend.

[Hallux-F-Sinister]

Juries are easily swayed by expensive lawyers.

Perhaps even more frequently by crooked prosecutors?

I think it goes a bit further than crooked prosecutors. The whole system stinks, and as it rewards those currently in power, don't look for them to expend an ounce of effort to change it.

The underlying point of all this noise is that in America, notwithstanding what is SUPPOSED to be the case, the entire criminal "justice" system is run for and by the government with the end in mind of maintaining order, by which I mean the order in which those in power stay there. The notion that a jury-trial is really and truly a trial by a jury of your peers is a fig-leaf behind which America hides the fact that while fairness is the stated goal, (sometimes called justice, but, I mean, come on now...) it's not the outcome nearly as often as it should be. Case in point, the top to bottom way in which if you're rich enough, you can just about get away with murder, contrasted with if you're a member of a disenfranchised and relatively powerless and oppressed minority, you can be murdered for selling loose cigarettes, a form of tax-evasion, unless I'm very much mistaken, while the people running the freak-show in what pretends to be our federal central government is and has been for years just choc-full of tax-cheats, tax-dodgers, scam-artists, etc., and it goes back WAY before the clown-prince of America got installed as the phony puppet play-prez.

Oh, and by the way... I dearly love how people pretend that there's something barbaric about executing someone with a sword, (which when done properly is probably just about the closest thing you could have to a quick, certain, and humane execution and relatively inexpensive too,) while murdering a citizen in what pretends to be some species of democracy or republic allows the same thing to happen using cocktails of drugs not designed for this purpose, hangings, firing squads, electrocutions, etc. There's no "couldn't find a vein" with a beheading. There's no "whoops, everyone missed, except for a couple of guys, who managed to shoot the condemned in the nuts". There's no, "wow, I can't believe the rope BROKE," or "goodness, look at him twitch, I don't think the noose broke his neck and now he's strangulating". There's no "insufficient voltage" with a beheading, either. In fact, that was the whole point of the guillotine, to take the strength and skill required to behead OUT of the operation. With a properly trained and capable headsman, it's over instantly. Yet people whine and cry about how it's brutal and barbaric... no, the fact that the state is murdering one of its own citizens is what's barbaric. The beheading, (versus all else,) is just having distaste for the TACTIC, the METHOD used and frankly, it shouldn't be hidden behind closed doors, squirreled away behind all the bureaucracy and bullshit. If you're going to murder someone on behalf of all the people, they should get to watch, up close, and in person. Better still, they should HAVE to watch, and if they don't like that, let them demand politicians change the law so that we can stop murdering our own people, and pretending it's anything other than murder.

Also, on a related note, the death penalty only really applies to everyone around the condemned. The condemned doesn't suffer anymore after the execution, no matter how badly you botch it, or how long it takes. So if someone fucked up badly enough to deserve society's worst punishment, KILLING that person is really letting him or her (or them, etc.,) commit some heinous and infamous crime, and skate on the punishment, assuming he or she or they were even GUILTY of the crime in question, meanwhile, if you're wrong you can't undo it, and also the real perpetrator goes free to do it again. Further, while you murder someone for whatever alleged crime, s/he/y (shey?) committed (or didn't,) that person's/those people's family/ies suffer from that loss, and they themselv

Re: Let's not pretend.

[reanjr]

While I agree beheading isn't necessarily more barbaric than hanging when done right, any execution can be botched, and a botched beheading is way worse than a botched hanging. We (USA) almost never use firing squad outside the military (it's available by choice in some states, but no state forces execution by firing squad). One reason is that it relies on humans doing human things, like making mistakes. The electric chair, lethal injection, and the gas chamber (which we also don't use much anymore) all take the human element out so that executions and their "humane"-ness can be objectively managed.

Re: Let's not pretend.

[Hallux-F-Sinister]

While I agree beheading isn't necessarily more barbaric than hanging when done right, any execution can be botched, and a botched beheading is way worse than a botched hanging. We (USA) almost never use firing squad outside the military (it's available by choice in some states, but no state forces execution by firing squad). One reason is that it relies on humans doing human things, like making mistakes. The electric chair, lethal injection, and the gas chamber (which we also don't use much anymore) all take the human element out so that executions and their "humane"-ness can be objectively managed.

Except in practice that's demonstably untrue. It SHOULD be true, but yet executioners in the US periodically seem to manage to botch executions anyway, and it might even appear, if we didn't know better, as if they were trying to botch it on purpose out of a sick desire to torture someone one last little bit before killing him. Like how when compounding pharmacies decided to stop selling drugs to prisons or corrections departments when they knew or suspected theyd be used in this way, and some states started “experimenting” with untested cocktails of drugs like one where the state-sanctioned-murder victim claimed he felt like his veins were on fire...

To some people, those words are music to their ears. Some people WANT to torture them first, (which strikes me as barbaric,) and in truth, there are ways that are completely painless and humane they could EASILY DO, if not for the fact that it seems like a whole production number has to be made out of an execution. They could wait until the condemned went to sleep, and quietly fill the chamber he slept in with increasing concentrations of nitrogen gas, or any one of a number of gasses that displace oxygen harmlessly, (by harmlessly, I mean in a way that doesn't do damage on its own or cause the body to react violently,) but they don’t use THOSE. There has to be a ceremony to lend the inherently illict proceeding an air of legitimacy.

I agree a bothched beheading would be a pretty miserable way to die, (hence why the guillotine was invented, again,) which basically is exactly the same as a sword-beheading, but by a special machine that guides the blade and meters speed, and ensures adequate force for a clean cut. But my point was that quibbling over method is splitting hairs. It is the practice itself that is the issue.

To pretend our way is better is like arguing that one rapist is less brutal than another who does the exact same thing as another rapist, but THIS rapist wore a condom. Sure, at least you've reduced the odds of a most-likely unwanted pregnancy and STI transmission... but the VIOLATION against the victim’s will is the concern... the other matter is a detail. In this analogy, the US, as it allows state sanctioned murder of its own citizens for alleged crimes, is the condom-wearing, let’s say, civilized rapist, while the other who does the exact same thing, minus the condom, is the “barbaric” rapist. Both rapists are comitting rape, is my point, while the earlier post was insisting that their rape is worse. Maybe it is... that’s debatable, but I contend it's not meaningfully worse, and wearing a condom DEFINITELY does not give the condom-wearing rapist cover from which he may justly criticize the non-condom-wearing rapist, immune from charges of being, on top of a rapist himself, also a hypocrite.

I’d rather see our country not rape anyone, condom or not, and not murder anyone. Seems to be that shouldn't be too much to ask.

Re:Let's not pretend.

[dcw3]

Sorry, I stopped reading your hyperbole after the first paragraph.

Run, Forrest, run!... fku

[Anonymous Coward]

APK, I asked you a simple question about what logged-in comments you've posted that Slashdot users like and moderate up. You ran and couldn't answer the question. What posts have you made that registered Slashdot users like and have modded up? What have you contributed to this site?

* We both know the truth. You contribute almost entirely offtopic spam, which isn't a useful contribution at all. You're aware of this, which is why you ran. YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

Don't complain about how others moderate your posts when you're free to log in, earn good karma, and participate in the moderation system. You won't do it because you know that virtually all of your posts are offtopic spam and your karma will always be poor enough to preclude you from getting mod points.

Everyone knows this is why you post anonymously. If you logged in, you would be restricted from continuing your abusive posting habits. You're also so arrogant as to believe that you ought to be able to disrupt others' conversations with impunity. Despite being a 54 year old person, you're more self-centered than even many children. Act your age.

FKU

P.S.=> FKU != ZIP. Learn how to read. You could use some emotional intelligence, too, but even basic literacy would be a significant improvement for you... fku

Prince Madkiller needs a scapegoat

[Anonymous Coward]

Who will it be?

-- Iranian imposters invaded the embassy, and committed the deed.

-- Rogue security person(s) working for Qatar/Iran/Turkey

-- An expendable member of the royal family overstepped his authority

-- Hillary Clinton (DT would get behind this)

Re:If you really want to see who has a Saudi probl

[Anonymous Coward]

How many unarmed protestors Israel shot, 5,000? Israel is good friends with Saudi Arabia didn't you know. Their government is not that much better, Israel is run by its paranoid military, secret services and weapons industry that's why they're always trying to start a war or stir shit up and the prime minister is always that neocons clone sack of shit. Remember George W. Bush and all the foaming at the mouth crazies, well they're still there today e.g. Nikki Halley had its share of endless litanies at her UN seat, full of bare faced lies and hatred. Now, where does the money flow, from where to where? That's it : nutanyahu is a miserable puppy of the US neocons. He and his cronies just bark on the US's command. Look at what he did to Syria, he and his international partners in crime from NATO and the Gulf.
WW1/WW2 levels of destruction but trust us the Saudi, Turkey, UAE, NATO, etc. had nothing at all to do with that and trust us Israel never attacked Syrian cities with cruise missiles, you imagined that.

Funny how you're crying wolf about terrorism and antisemitism, but Israel supported terrorism in Syria and the religious ideology of these terrorists asks them to exterminate the Shia, Christians and random sects they find on their path. It's not a moral issue though, in that was part of the war strategy and this ideology was created by the Sauds on behalf of the Americans to help them with their cold war - the little king has said as much, right now! These "isms" are used as a tool by cold calculating people. The goal of the Saud-originated "isms" is to destabilize countries, governments up to instilling civil wars, ethnic cleansings and possibly the total destruction of the victim country
Some cynical people on the Internet say, "how come ISIS never attacks Israel?" but I don't believe them. Israel surrounded itself with enough buffer zones and barbed wire etc., participated in the game by bringing blankets etc. to "good terrorists" and being in the loop in general, what with the dozen countries all involved in that shit. But, they're trapped in there. Somehow, countries and politicians never can manage to admit that war is a lie, gross, and pointless in this case and put a end to it. Maybe a year or two from now. Subservience to the US doesn't help. I hope it will die with the neocons.

Projecting YOUR "cat fetish" I see (lol)

[Anonymous Coward]

Not having to work for others meant I started my own business which has done welll since 2008 or so. I've worked since but only on contracts (typically @ year-end when corp's are "burning budgets").

* See subject: Not only are you projecting your cat-fetish but also your OWN homosexual sodomy you're obviously into (disgusting).

APK

P.S.=> Sorry to disappoint you though as usual per such "StRaNgE" accusations you level @ me when they're really YOUR PERSONAL ISSUES (not mine) - I'm not gay... apk

Re:Projecting YOUR "cat fetish" I see (lol)

[Anonymous Coward]

We know your business has done well as truckers love the glory hole and at $5 a pop there is always a line waiting for you. For APK year end "contracts" actually means being an overnight stock boy at Wal*Mart during the holiday rush when they will literally hire anyone who isn't completely strung out on drugs.

Which of the 101 points are fake?

[Anonymous Coward]

What of these 101 points on the ILLEGAL Federal Reserve is FAKE https://www.infowars.com/trump... ?

* I notice you REFUSE to answer - "Gosh, why's THAT?" (Oh, we KNOW why - you can't say any are minus YOU LOOKING A WORSE FOOL THAN YOU DO ALREADY!).

APK

P.S.=> Sick in the head bunch of freaks is all you are & liars... apk

Re: maybe if jury duty payed more it whould not su

[reanjr]

Maybe you should talk to your employer about their civic duty. My employer - like many - pays me my full salary during jury duty.

WRONG on ALL false accusations of yours

[Anonymous Coward]

WRONG on ALL false accusations of yours (it's why you HIDE behind UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts). Contracts have been for Syracuse U businesses, HILTON, Bank of America & more over the past few years - easy money (mostly server migrations hardware-wise + reloading Server OS' + custom business wares & their DB engines etc.) - FAR EASIER JOBS than writing code, by far.

* I see you PROJECT your employment situation @ Walmart &/or Truckstops, lol... good to know you @ least WORK, lmao!

APK

P.S.=> Keep HIDING from me via your UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts & telling lies about me/libeling me - I just show up, set things straight + bust you up in the end easily w/ truth & FACT vs. your bullshit - makes ME look GOOD & yourself? Like the "WEEZIL" liar & libeler you are... apk

Re:WRONG on ALL false accusations of yours

[Anonymous Coward]

You ran and hid when fku asked you a question: https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12755554&cid=57479260. Why are you afraid to answer fku's question? Too close to the truth, perhaps?

100's of my posts have been upmodded

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject & 244++:1 vs. your bs I've torn apart AGES ago w/ UNDENIABLE fact https://it.slashdot.org/commen... & I've more than DOUBLED it since then!

Which is HARDER for me to get them since I post AC (starts @ 0 vs. 1-2 etc.) & considering you MORONS constantly downmod bomb me as proven by "ZIP" the loser with an account who STALKS ME by UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous doing so admittedly https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... with other LOSERS (like you) I easily THRASHED via FACTS you cannot deny - just like THIS post does.

* So what's that YOU were SAYING?

APK

P.S.=> I'm having trouble understanding you since you're EATING YOUR WORDS again, as usual vs. me (lol) - & you shouldn't TALK (especially bullshit you spew) w/ your MOUTH FULL as you EAT YOUR WORDS - it's NOT POLITE, lol... apk

Don't talk w/ your mouth full, it's not polite

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't talk w/ your mouth full, it's not polite as YOU EAT YOUR WORDS https://it.slashdot.org/commen... CHUMP!

* RoTfLmAo!

APK

P.S.=> Are YOU afraid to face me directly DESPITE YOU HAVING A REGISTERED 'LUSER' ACCOUNT ZIP? Yes https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... & there's the proof quoting you in it bogusly "downmodbombing" my posts (no biggie - I can post w/ NO LIMITS unlike most Ac's so I override your PUNY "wannabe weapon" inevitably RUNNING YOU DRY of them, lol)... apk

Re:Don't talk w/ your mouth full, it's not polite

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... & there's the proof quoting you in it bogusly "downmodbombing" my posts (no biggie - I can post w/ NO LIMITS unlike most Ac's so I override your PUNY "wannabe weapon" inevitably RUNNING YOU DRY of them, lol)

You say that like it's something to brag about. In reality, your post shows just how obsessed you are with Slashdot. It's evidence that you don't do anything worthwhile with the rest of your life, so you obsess over an internet forum.

You can make unlimited anonymous posts? That's what you want to brag about?

You can waste other people's time and mod points by posting lots of offtopic spam? That's what you want to brag about?

Oh, wait, you wrote a program that downloads other people's hosts files, concatenates them, sorts the resulting file, and removes duplicate entries? That's your big achievement? News flash: there are far superior open source alternatives available, that don't rely on untrusted binaries that haven't been digitally signed.

But because I care and I've noticed your posts becoming even more threatening and deranged than usual, I made a phone call to the New York State Police about you. Let's just say they're taking your threats seriously and the words "mandatory psychiatric evaluation" came up in the conversation. You might finally receive the mental health assistance you desperately need.

Trolls like YOU have no home of their own

[Anonymous Coward]

Trolls like YOU have no home of their own since you're worthless & avoided answering my question to you on it https://news.slashdot.org/comm...

PROVE you have a home of your own you PAID for!

(I did mine & did the work on the place for decades - my father SOLD me the place CHEAP to "make good" on a promise made me in elementary school that IF I did well on grades, my parents would fund my education (I did well in school NJHS/NHS & honors classes mostly AND SPORTS TOO (got me room & board on the latter @ college while playing for a SOON TO BE National Powerhouse in their division)).

That promise of theirs fell apart when my brother came into the world (great man, field-grade officer & a gentleman by act of Congress no less & Bronze Star winner (Lt. Colonel now)) so, I went into debt (all paid off, what would be 50k nowadays, by myself so I STAY OUTTA JAIL, lol (there are no 'debtors prisons'? There are for defaulted school loans)).

APK

P.S.=> In the end, I got a GREAT PRICE (for what the house was worth when I bought it, 40k) & I ended up fixing it up FAR more to the tune of 35k or so MORE put into it.... apk

To every and each anglo smart mouth here

[Anonymous Coward]

YOU and your twisted natured forefathers are the problem. Ya'll created Saudi Arabia and the thirst for oil to try to keep the religion of Islam down and bring the jews back to Israel, but its backfiring. Have fun, walk to work.

Says Mr. UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous

[Anonymous Coward]

Says Mr. UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous STALKING me & has a registered account downmodbombing me https://yro.slashdot.org/comme...

Obviously it UPSETS you you can't "downmodbomb" HIDE my posts away & that I RUN YOU DRY of those "wannabe weapons" you abuse, lol - good.

You waste your time trying to "get the better of me" OR blackmailing me extortionist wannabe as you now have, lol - call the police, they'll LAUGH @ YOU - who have I 'threatened'?

ANONYMOUS NOBODY you - you aren't a REAL PERSON (or is "Anonymous Coward" on your UNIDENTIFIABLE posts on your BIRTH CERTIFICATE? No, it is not), thus WHO DID I THREATEN? Nobody & you TRULY are a NOBODY do-NOTHING "ne'er-do-well". Prove otherwise. YOU, can't, lol!

Fool - look: DO NOT TRY PLAY "Jailhouse Lawyer" with me OR THREATEN me punk - you'll lose.

APK

P.S.=> Lastly: SUPERIOR "OpenSORES" ALTERNATIVES? LOL - That's a PUNY SCRIPT & doesn't do all my program does (no favorites for speed & security vs. DNS issues) & doesn't check valid TLD/gTLD + it's NOT HIS OWN CODE either (it's using OTHERS' work) - mine is & NO BUGS FOUND IN IT TO DATE + it's GUI (the future superior) - I don't need SIGNING that gets STOLEN & ABUSED as I do a BETTER WAY that can't be mathematically https://yro.slashdot.org/comme... ... apk

Re:Says Mr. UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous

[Anonymous Coward]

Your code's size self check is almost the dumbest security idea ever, the only dumber idea I've heard of is that hosts provides security. Add in that you do it with every call it makes and that you can't seem to see how it could easily circumvented is a clear sign that you cannot develop quality software. It is no wonder that your code runs like shit.

I wouldn't be proud of a $40,000 house, or even a $127,000 assessed value house unless I lived way out in the country where property is really cheap. I outright own recreational land worth 3 times what you paid, several individual objects that are worth double what you paid, and then there is my wholly owned house which is worth well over double your place's assessed value. As an added bonus I don't live in the ghetto of the expensive dump of Syracuse like you do. By the way I am 18 years younger than you and didn't live with my parents until they gifted me their house. It is really a sad statement about your ability to manage your own life that you managed to rack up $50,000 of college debt in the 80s when college was cheap even with a partial scholarship. I managed to pay for my own schooling on my own without going into debt in the time when tuition was increasing like mad and had been for a while.

I have nothing to prove to you because you wouldn't believe any proof provided anyway. When people have presented you with proof in the past you fail to comprehend it, you go and move the goal posts, or you try and deflect away from it.

By the way, I'm not ZIP, Ol Olsoc, c6guner, Zontar, whipslash, or FKU. So have fun going mad trying to figure out who I am so you can add me to your enemies list.

Butt out of other peopleâ(TM)s business

[Anonymous Coward]

Focus on trade, other countries inner workings are none of your concern.

Re:maybe if jury duty payed more it whould not suc

[Anonymous Coward]

the last time I had Jury Duty I didn't even have to go down to sit in the waiting room, just call a voice mail line

Re:If you really want to see who has a Saudi probl

[DigiShaman]

I wish Trump would call them out on it.

"Sure, Iran hates the USA. But, they hate the Sauds even more!" "Damn shame if we don't provide weapons, and the ones China and Russia can provide are surely to be bugged in Iran's favor in a period of conflict"

Yeah, good luck!

Again: What home do YOU own troll?

[Anonymous Coward]

Again: What home do YOU own troll? ANSWER = you don't. Like trolls do, you live under a bridge obviously, lol! As to its worth+land?

You're about right - I'm, afaik, the 2nd largest PRIVATE landowner around here in terms of lots of land also - & 127k +10k of land around it (makes me VERY ISOLATED which I like ontop of a HUGE 'mountain' which makes NOBODY want to come up here too since the woods are full of poison ivy, rosebush & berry thorns as a barrier (muddy too, & ground has busted glass all over it, you do NOT want to take a FALL in it in other words)).

APK

P.S.=> Funny you mention Miller but it's HighLife in bottles is what I'm about to enjoy... apk

It works & was upmodded (coding for DEFCON)

[Anonymous Coward]

It works & was upmodded (coding for DEFCON) - no virus is 1 byte in size so a 1 byte sizecheck in 100's of procs/functions works & would be INCREDIBLY HARD (since they're inlined checks vs. central function call (better speed/harder to break in a custom hackjob)) if not nigh impossible.

* You've come up w/ a BETTER idea YOURSELF? Hell no - you can't think for yourself & my code has NEVER had a bug found in it & it is, truly, VIRUS-PROOF because of my method (which can't be STOLEN & ABUSED like signature BULLSHIT can & HAS been).

* I didn't live w/ my parents! From 18 onward I was either away @ school OR working travelling the east coast (mostly) for work as a Software Engineer (mostly, sometimes network admin too).

I didn't 'rack up 50k then' (learn to read) - it was 18k but in today's dollars it'd PROBABLY BE 50k (good school, good rep, costs). I could've went ANYWHERE really due to good grades + good athlete but I chose a JESUIT institution that was rated a 'best buy'.

APK

P.S.=> YOU DON'T EVEN OWN YOUR OWN HOME let alone one PAID IN FULL + TAXES CURRENT, lol - so quit talking out your ass... apk

Quoted SECURITY PROS disagree w/ you

[Anonymous Coward]

"classic Windows hosts trick to block the Coinhive or Crypto-Loot domains" - https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/a-new-player-joins-coinhive-on-the-browser-cryptojacking-scene/ - BLEEPING COMPUTER

ZD NET http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-use-a-hosts-file-to-improve-your-internet-experience/ "Hosts files really shine by letting you block ads, spyware sites, malware sites, & tracking sites"

SANS ("A related approach to the DNS issue is to create a hosts file on each system that sends requests for spyware to some place else" hosts by myself & RAMU right @ START of "malware explosion" mid 2005 on) https://isc.sans.edu/forums/di...

Aryeh Goretsky/ESET/NOD32: hosts = good security it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7442373&cid=49747129/

Oliver Day (SYMANTEC/SECURITYFOCUS) http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/491/

Spybot S&D uses hosts.

APK

P.S.=> Malwarebytes' hpHosts hosts & RECOMMENDS my program forum.hosts-file.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4290

Registered /.ers disagree w/ you

[Anonymous Coward]

Your software is just fine - well written, functional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine by mmell February 17, 2017

his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant August 10 2015

I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works. - by bmo (77928) on Thursday October 15, 2015

I do use APK's host file on all my systems at home by OrangeTide December 01 2017

I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's good - by BronsCon (927697)

I like your host file system by Karmashock September 09 2015

I would like to note that I find your hosts file admirable - by vel-ex-tech (4337079) on Tuesday November 24, 2015

I personally use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a genius called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

* AS TO THE QUALITY OF MY PROGRAMMING & HOW WELL IT WORKS vs. your JEALOUS "Lil' Jowie" bullshit, lol!

APK

P.S.=> You're OUTNUMBERED & can't DO BETTER YOURSELF - & don't talk homes - you don't have one.. apk

Re:Registered /.ers disagree w/ you

[Anonymous Coward]

Your software is just crap - written in crayon, fictional... I'm going to continue using the Host File Engine as a punchline to a joke by mmell February 17, 2017

Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is fucking insane - by JazzLad April 20, 2016

his hosts "program" is actually a broken batch file by xenotransplant August 10 2015

his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to be a laughingstock while consuming excessive amounts of alcohol by alexgieg September 25 2015

I do use APK's host file in all my memes at home by OrangeTide December 01 2017

I've never tried to belittle (APK's work), I've flat out said it's crap - by BronsCon (927697)

I like your tinfoil hat by Karmashock September 09 2015

that APK nut, I can't get him to stop talking about his piece of shit file by rogoshen1 Tuesday March 03, 2015

I personally never would use a HOSTS file blocker produced from a retard called APK by 110010001000 October 27 2017

APK

P.S.=> When YOU do better than THAT by our /. registered peers, then talk (from behind your FAKE NAME for your FAKE LIE of a "so-called" WASTED life) - ok? apk

Lost sight of land...

[Hallux-F-Sinister]

I feel, in this conversation, that some of us, myself included, have perhaps focused on a point so closely that a bigger issue is being ignored, and I hope we can keep this in mind as we hear more bits of news about a certain aspect of this story:

One. Whatever you may think of people who report news professionally that seems to be or maybe even IS written from a perspective contradictory to yours, unless and until one deliberately publishes something as if it is fact, that he or she knows, or reasonably should know to be false, that person IS a journalist, and therefore part of a cadre of heroes who often risk their lives so that we, the people of the world can be informed on what has happened and IS happening in their world. As knowledge is power, without their reporting, we are powerless, helpless, and at the mercy of those who DO know.

Two. Inasmuch as journalists are often unsung heroes, and public servants in the broadest sense when their reporting is made available to the general public so that we CAN be informed, we should resolve therefore that crimes against journalists, and those who work in direct support of journalists and in the furtherance of journalism, are crimes against humanity.
... because they are.

Three. Inasmuch as journalists’ calling is to hold the powerful to account, and to speak truth to power, and keep us appraised of what is happening, no such person as is being reported on is or should be in a position ever to decide whether any journalist is telling the truth or not, or if he or she should be punished, penalized, sanctioned, persecuted or prosecuted for any part of that journalism. That responsibility is the exlusive rightful purview of the journalistic community itself, and the readers, listeners and watchers of the product of that journalism. We should not tolerate any abuse of any kind, or even the threat of said abuse to our journalists, because those are injurious to us as well.

Four. We who consume the news, who benefit from the fruits of their reporting, should help fund it. By our funding it, we ensure the reporters work for us, and not someone else. We should agree that any who pay for no news should not benefit FROM the news, unless they are earnestly unable to pay, so destitute as they are. Each of us who cares about reporting should do at least one thing to support journalism financially, according to what we are capable of doing, and in proportion to how valuable knowing the facts IS.

So if you don’t care, feel free to get your news from aggregator websites and megalithic corporate-run “news” organizations, and let those who pay for the advertisments thereon decide what you get to know. If you care, however, may I humbly suggest that if you are not already doing so, that you subscribe to your local paper, or donate to an independent news source not owned by people who have a vested interest in keeping you in the dark.

Just wanted to put that out there.

Re: maybe if jury duty payed more it whould not su

[dcw3]

Mine does as well, but I don't think this should be put upon all employers, especially small businesses, that can barely scrape by.

c6gunner IMPERSONATING me again?

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: his FAKEname on a post impersonating me https://linux.slashdot.org/com... & altering /.er's words.

c6gunner tried to mock me 1st https://linux.slashdot.org/com...

So I challenge c6gunner to show he did better work than mine & he CAN'T!

YOU DEMAND PROOF of others here?

"I've yet to see you provide any evidence of that." by c6gunner on Monday March 15, 2010 @10:02PM (#31490942) ?

So now I DEMAND IT OF YOU & YOU FAIL!

c6gunner = "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!

* c6gunner's LYING saying I did a MacOS X one - I haven't yet & c6gunner's LYING impersonating me hosts work vs. Intel CPU issues (spectre/meltdown).

APK

P.S.=> You say hosts = shit here https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?

FACTS: /.ers & security pros + RESULTS say DIFFERENT:

1st: /.ers https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments.... https://slashdot.org/comments....

2nd: SECURITY PROS https://slashdot.org/comments....

3rd: REAL RESULTS w/ hosts vs. threats https://slashdot.org/comments....

EAT YOUR WORDS!

Yes

[rsilvergun]

There is every reason to believe that Bernie Sanders would. He has consistently said he would stop Arms sales to Saudi Arabia and has put forth bills to do just that.

You could argue that once he's in power he won't do that, but again, based on his voting record (not just what he said) I would expect that he would do just that. Now, if you gave him a right wing Congress that could override him then he wouldn't do it, but unlike Obama it wouldn't be for lack of trying. Moreover, if you want results you can't just put one guy in one position (the Presidency) and expect results. If you want reform you've got to vote the bums out. All of them.

FYI, it's still worth voting even if you can only get rid of some of the bums. Otherwise you end up with a gov't entirely composed of bums and they screw you over like nobody's business. Still, it could be so much better if we got rid of all of them. And it's not hard to spot them bums either. Just ask, do they take corporate pac money? If the answer is yes you're dealing with somebody who's been bought out. A bum.