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Winamp Media Player To Return as a Platform-Agnostic Audio Mobile App Next Year; Desktop Application Receives an Update (techcrunch.com)

The charmingly outdated media player Winamp is being reinvented as a platform-agnostic audio mobile app that brings together all your music, podcasts, and streaming services to a single location. From a report: It's an ambitious relaunch, but the company behind it says it's still all about the millions-strong global Winamp community -- and as proof, the original desktop app is getting an official update as well. For those who don't remember: Winamp was the MP3 player of choice around the turn of the century, but went through a rocky period during Aol ownership and failed to counter the likes of iTunes and the onslaught of streaming services, and more or less crumbled over the years. The original app, last updated in 2013, still works, but to say it's long in the tooth would be something of an understatement (the community has worked hard to keep it updated, however). So it's with pleasure that I can confirm rumors that substantial updates are on the way.

"There will be a completely new version next year, with the legacy of Winamp but a more complete listening experience," said Alexandre Saboundjan, CEO of Radionomy, the company that bought Winamp (or what remained of it) in 2014. "You can listen to the MP3s you may have at home, but also to the cloud, to podcasts, to streaming radio stations, to a playlist you perhaps have built. People want one single experience," he concluded. "I think Winamp is the perfect player to bring that to everybody. And we want people to have it on every device."

175 comments

  1. This doesn't sound good. by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From the article:
    "What I see today is you have to jump from one player to another player or aggregator if you want to listen to a radio station, to a podcast player if you want to listen to a podcast — this, to me, is not the final experience,” he explained. It’s all audio, and it’s all searchable in one fashion or another. So why isn’t it all in one place?"

    Kinda the reason I use WinAmp is because it is not this.

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    1. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So no more llama ass-whipping?

    2. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that, at one point, the winamp code base was tossed and it was recoded as little more than a skin for windows media player.

      Am I simply wrong about that?

    3. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If want a one size fits all just use VLC. That's what I've been using since Winamp stopped being developed. That and I stopped using Windows years ago. Winamp was cool in the 2000s, but this is just an attempt to cash in on the name.

    4. Re:This doesn't sound good. by darkain · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Except, Winamp is ALREADY this. Winamp has an extensive plugin system. It can already play podcasts. It CREATED internet radio through Shoutcast. Other plugins are available for other data sources too... I know this, because I remember writing them and publishing them myself.

    5. Re: This doesn't sound good. by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      It hasn't been coded or recoded since the days of XP so yeah, probably

    6. Re:This doesn't sound good. by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 0

      Addons and Plugins are one thing
      Those can always be added or remove as needed


      But to clog this up with all those features, with prolly no way of turning them off is prolly what is going to happen with 6.

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    7. Re:This doesn't sound good. by kalieaire · · Score: 3, Funny

      i'm pretty sure it still really whips the llama's ass

    8. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The word is "probably." Report back to second grade spelling class.

    9. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Winamp 3 sucked so bad they tossed the codebase and started building in the features from 3 on top of 2.x. 2+3=5, which is why the next version was called winamp 5.

    10. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came here for this. WinAmp didn't fail to counter iShit at all; AOL decided to tank the software because, well, let's face it, AOL.

    11. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Rhacman · · Score: 1

      To me the thing was that out of the box it was a super-lightweight player. It could play basic formats and had a minimal interface but could be extended to do just about anything, even esoteric stuff like chiptunes from game ROMs. It got a bit more bloated over the years till the point where I still used it but only because I had it installed and not for any real advantage over other players.

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    12. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Tehrasha · · Score: 2

      So they didnt really 'decide' to tank it. It was just AOL being AOL. Pity AOL didnt buy Facebook back in the day....

    13. Re: This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Facts.

    14. Re:This doesn't sound good. by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 2

      https://en.oxforddictionaries....
      Didn't realize that this was a former discussion

      Also, 2nd grade doesn't have classes. Just one class.
      Spelling is also not a learning topic. English is.
      Seems like you need the schooling a bit me than me AC.

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    15. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hook a BT keyboard to your mobile device man, even that last sentence is just flat out nonsense).
      I mean: Eevyn 'dat lass sentinse is me than me A/C. Understand better now?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl_CZzXTs50

    16. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have photos to prove this?

      Cos the FBI would like to inspect your hard drive if you do.

    17. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It wasn't broken, so we're gonna break it."

      So that would be as per standard practice in software engineering?

    18. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is nothing "outdated" or "long in the tooth" about WinAmp. I still use the last release (version 5.666) and it works just fine. It is small and simple, I can change appearance with skins, it plays any audio file I want to play and it plays my favorite podcasts. I fail to see the problem.

    19. Re:This doesn't sound good. by darkain · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is why myself and a ton of the other people from the plugin community jumped ship over to foobar2000. fb2k is developed by the guy who wrote the MP3 decoder for Winamp, but had issues with the audio processing pipeline of Winamp degrading audio quality. Disputes happened. He left. Built fb2k. And the rest is history! It is by far the cleanest, lightest music player available for desktop now. Multiple tabbed playlists are awesome. My largest playlist has ~16k tracks in it, and supports pretty much real-time text searching. And yup, it supports audio codec "components" as they call them to extend it with more file support or other functionality.

    20. Re:This doesn't sound good. by CranberryKing · · Score: 1

      Better idea!
      -- IMPROVED GENERATION 2000 FORK: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation.

    21. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Highdude702 · · Score: 2

      You're pretty much spot on with this. VLC is the next best thing. and it is really across all platforms. I loved winamp so much I downloaded every bootlegged version available. But with VLC I dont have to break the "law"

    22. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      " It CREATED internet radio through Shoutcast."

      This is why I wondered how it died in the first place...

    23. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      was prolly a troll O.o

    24. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were trying to keep up with Yahoo who decided to utterly destroy Musicmatch Jukebox which still has no peers today for playing, ripping, organising and notating MP3 files. It's just 10 years out of date and only runs on 32 bit Windows. Foobar nearly replaces it as does Musicbee but they just don't.

      Hope WinAmp can step up.

    25. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The VLC media library is an abombination, with playlist support not far behind.

      In contrast the WinAmp media library and playlist support was awesome.

      The obvious solution would be to improve the media library and playlist support in VLC to feature-match WinAmp.

    26. Re:This doesn't sound good. by TranquilVoid · · Score: 0

      I tried foobar2000 after moving to W10 at work, but found it would split many of my albums into 2, I think because some songs used a different encoding in the tagging. Maybe this has been fixed now.

      I returned to Winamp but had to exclude some folders from scanning as it would hang. This new update could be my salvation.

      In terms of interface Winamp is the most streamlined and foobar2000 is great. Rhythmbox at home pisses me off with its 'play the next thing you randomly browsed to' - the primacy of the Winamp playlist is perfect.

    27. Re:This doesn't sound good. by darkain · · Score: 2

      "AOL", that's how it died.

    28. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      No, the only reason it would split albums in two is either because you don't have your albums named consistently (ie. some songs have different album titles than the others) or because you have a DISCNUMBER tag specified. So basically you stopped using foobar2000 because you don't know what you are doing or how tagging works.

      And Winamp is streamlined? Are you fucking kidding me? foobar2000's default interface is MUCH simpler and easier to use than Winamp's. foobar2000 just does so much more than every other player in existence and can be configured to look and work exactly the way that the individual user wants. Winamp is pathetic, with its manual, non-dynamic playlist functionality and its inability to handle a large library.

    29. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The album splitting isn't a problem with fb2k, it's a problem with your metadata/files.

      Regardless, the grouping used for albums in fb2k can be customised so with the right setting you could have it group as you want.

      Or you could sort your metadata out, I find Musicbrainz Picard to be almost magical in how well it works as a tagger.

    30. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You only say that because you aren't aware of just how much more powerful other players are. That's fine that your needs are so limited, but don't pretend that Winamp isn't outdated. It is. Badly.

      It's 2018. I don't just a have a handful of cassette tapes to listen to any more. There are tens of thousands of tunes in my own, private library and an obsolete piece of software like Winamp isn't up to the task to handle them or make anything discoverable.

    31. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Winamp 5 was a bloated pile of shit too, so they really didn't accomplish anything.

    32. Re:This doesn't sound good. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      but found it would split many of my albums into 2, I think because some songs used a different encoding in the tagging. Maybe this has been fixed now.

      It sounds like you're using the Album view. There's no "fix" for this situation. There is only switching to a different view (e.g. sort by folder and change the display not to group by albums), or fixing the album names. To identify as a common album the MP3 only needs to have a common Artist (if Various isn't ticked), Album name, and year (if it is used). I really question how people were able to even rip content where this differed in the first place.

      My own opinion in interface differs from yours. Winamp IMO has a horrible interface now that I have used Foobar I won't consider going back. Also the continuous updates and development of foobar is a great advantage (including a Windows 10 app that allows the player to continue playing through the lock screen and sleep state, something no other useful media players do).

    33. Re:This doesn't sound good. by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      It does seem like anything they buy only makes it a year or two past purchase. Im looking forward to trying Winamp on linux. I have always wanted it to work.. never tried it on wine cause I hate wine, however I hear they have done a lot of good things as of lately. Especially with valve helping. May have to give it a try when it claims it can play GTA V.

    34. Re:This doesn't sound good. by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Winamp includes some of its own decoders, but as a fallback anything it doesn't know what do with, it hands off to Windows to try to play it. That's one of the challenges I've found with trying to keep using it is that there's stuff it can't handle or can't handle well, but it tries anyway, so I end up needing to figure how to get Winamp to just hand it off unmolested to Windows because LAVFilters will do a better job anyway.

    35. Re:This doesn't sound good. by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Well, there are different philosophies towards software. I don't need a gigantic, bloated piece of software like iTunes to manage my multimedia "experience". I prefer simple applications that only try to do one thing, and do it well. That's Winamp. I have no problems finding the music I want to play on my file system, and streaming audio through internet radio stations.

      Though in reality, Winamp is actually kind of bloated, though it's positively lean by 2018 standards. But not as lean as something like Foobar2000, though with Winamp you can still slim it down a bit by removing some of the canned plugins that I don't use.

      Really the biggest flaw that Winamp has is that it only runs on Windows. But each to their own.

  2. I still use Winamp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And most of my geek friends still use it too.

    1. Re: I still use Winamp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Do you think the new one will still "really whip the lamas ass"?

    2. Re: I still use Winamp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.

    3. Re: I still use Winamp by Archfeld · · Score: 1
      --
      errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
    4. Re: I still use Winamp by nwaack · · Score: 1

      Lorenzo Lamas?

    5. Re:I still use Winamp by dasmoscas · · Score: 0

      I still do use it daily on my phone and on my work pc. It just works great on PC. It also connects to shoutcast radio stations on my android(I also have mp3 files in case of connectivity issues). awesome, just works as expected, no annoying shit.

    6. Re: I still use Winamp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who concern themselves with what other people do are the losers. You have nothing better to do with your worthless life, so you whine.

    7. Re: I still use Winamp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple user spotted. Probably bitter because he's stuck with iTunes. Though I can't blame him, I'd be jaded too if I had to use that poorly designed, bloated pile of shit too.

  3. Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Since there are so many better options now, who is actually still using Winamp?

    1. Re: Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anybody who wants a simple lightweight music player that just works and not a bloated "music library manager" one.

    2. Re:Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been using foobar2000 for 15 years and nothing else even comes close. I couldn't imagine going back to something as limited and restrictive as Winamp.

    3. Re: Relevance in the market? by Red_Forman · · Score: 1

      You can't have more lightweight than clicking "play" on the file in Finder (macOS).

    4. Re:Relevance in the market? by Luckyo · · Score: 2, Funny

      We're all glad that this amazing truck with crane in the back works for you.

      Most people however do not need a truck with crane in the back, even if it's really convenient for you heavy mover. Most people just want a basic sedan with good mileage.

    5. Re:Relevance in the market? by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

      Better how? iTunes and WMP are both terrible.
      The only thing I know that really compares is FooBar

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    6. Re:Relevance in the market? by iCEBaLM · · Score: 1

      I do.

    7. Re:Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VLC?

    8. Re:Relevance in the market? by Antiocheian · · Score: 1

      foobar2000 is a truck with crane in the back ?

    9. Re:Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still use WinAmp because it still does all that I need it to do and does it just fine today. It's lightweight with no ads and other BS, no need for a stupid cloud account to just play files off of a shared drive on the network.

    10. Re:Relevance in the market? by Tehrasha · · Score: 2

      The only thing that stopped me from using WinAmp was my move to Linux. I'd still be using XMMS if I could...

    11. Re:Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No... I gave instructions for one of the default install options in an email to my 60 year old mother, and she didn't even need to pick up the phone for extra tips. Intuitive and did everything she was looking for straight away.

    12. Re:Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are hundreds of us, perhaps thousands.

    13. Re:Relevance in the market? by nwaack · · Score: 1

      Apparently Luckyo is running a rig with a Pentium 4 in it.

    14. Re:Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No... I gave instructions for one of the default install options in an email to my 60 year old mother

      She used it to play some Barry White while I fucked her good and hard and jizzed in her pussy. The great thing about menopausal women is you can't knock them up!

    15. Re:Relevance in the market? by zman3 · · Score: 1

      me

    16. Re:Relevance in the market? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      I'm still using XMMS on Fedora 28.

    17. Re: Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anybody who wants a simple lightweight music player that just works and not a bloated "music library manager" one.

      Just organize your files into folders and then do a 'right-click + open' to play them, who cares what software is playing it? Winamp has all this library management stuff and internet tv and internet radio bloat put in it anyway.

    18. Re:Relevance in the market? by CranberryKing · · Score: 1

      I loved XMMS. Is there a good player for linux? I haven't enjoyed Rythmbox, Media Player, and even VLC is powerful but not a great interface like winamp & XMMS.

    19. Re: Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bloat? I'm running the leaked beta of WinAmp 5.8 and it's currently sitting at 7.8M of memory utilization. I'd hardly call that bloat.

    20. Re:Relevance in the market? by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      --Try Deadbeef. Pretty close to the xmms/winamp experience on Linux.

      http://deadbeef.sourceforge.ne...

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    21. Re:Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use Audacious (note that this is NOT Audacity) with the classic Winamp skin on Linux -- perfection!

    22. Re:Relevance in the market? by Antiocheian · · Score: 1

      And a CRT monitor that says "Energy Star" :D

    23. Re:Relevance in the market? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Yes. It has tools that go well beyond "just play my audio and provide basic control features for it in a lightweight player". Have you ever actually used it? It's really great when you need to do things that go beyond playback.

    24. Re:Relevance in the market? by Antiocheian · · Score: 2

      It's also great when you only do things that don't go beyond playback because it's the least cluttered. The difference is that its advanced features (eg. tag editing) do not require extra tools as it was with Winamp.

    25. Re:Relevance in the market? by Luckyo · · Score: 0

      And that's what makes winamp great. Very little in terms of unnecessary features on install, but almost everything you need is available as add-on. It's perfect for a power user who understands the scope of his needs.

      Fubar, not so much. Too much that comes with it. For most users (and power users), it's just too powerful. I have it on this machine for example, but use it maybe once every two years when I need something that winamp can't do with my standard add-on suite. Winamp is used daily, because it fits my workflow very well.

    26. Re:Relevance in the market? by execthts · · Score: 1

      I do.

    27. Re:Relevance in the market? by Antiocheian · · Score: 2

      Important power features work better when provided by the main package because it's much easier for users to support and help each other. You don't have to install them if you don't want to.

      There's no such thing as "too powerful". As long as the interface is easy to use for new users, power options is always good to have as long as the package is small. Foobar has a smaller installation package, despite all its available power and its easier to use than winamp because it uses standard operating system controls instead of tiny graphics (at least as it was the case with Winamp when I left it).

      Winamp was good in the 90s. It was awesome. But once it was sold to AOL, it was done. Foobar was last updated a week ago.

    28. Re:Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except foobar2000 is more powerful, more flexible and lighter weight.

      You self owned, by the way.

    29. Re:Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since Winamp does far less than foobar2000, then why is it less efficient and more bloated?

      There are only two reasons why anyone would use Winamp over foobar2000. 1) They don't know about foobar2000. 2) They are idiots.

    30. Re: Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WinAmp 5.8 and it's currently sitting at 7.8M of memory utilization

      And how big is the music library you have loaded? 1 file?

    31. Re:Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's what makes winamp great. Very little in terms of unnecessary features on install, but almost everything you need is available as add-on.

      LOL! foobar2000 is much more like that than Winamp.

      It's perfect for a power user who understands the scope of his needs.

      Again, you've gotten them mixed up. foobar2000 is for power users if they want to delve beyond the stock interface. Winamp is for noobs who have a few dozen 128kbps MP3s from Napster.

      Fubar, not so much. Too much that comes with it.

      No there isn't. foobar2000 itself is a basic, efficient player with music management capabilities that aren't exposed in the default interface.

      Oh and how's this for bloat?

      foobar2000 v1.4 is a 4.25MB download while Winamp v5.666 (how mature) is more than double the size at a whopping 9.85MB! For an obsolete music player that can only do a tiny fraction of what foobar2000 can do!

      Winamp also looks to be commercial software, with them discussing "Winamp Pro" and payments. foobar2000 is and always has been freeware with open source components/add-ons.

    32. Re: Relevance in the market? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Anybody who wants a simple lightweight music player that just works and not a bloated "music library manager" one.

      Foobar2000. Winamp is no longer relevant in a market with better options that meet all your requirements.

    33. Re: Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't address your example directly, but I find it hard to believe any aged program is lightweight. It is the nature of the beast to have feature creep. A 2001ish? app that is still lightweight is really really really hard to believe.

    34. Re:Relevance in the market? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      >There's no such thing as "too powerful".

      I'll just state that if you take even a cursory look at human machine interface and human physiological limitations literature, you'll understand that reality is diametric opposite of this statement. We as biological creatures are heavily optimized in how our attention is directed and how much brain capacity is allotted to the task with the rest going to cripplingly slow and inefficient abstraction, and exceeding these limitations even by a little bit will slow down the brain's processing speed by thousands of times.

      It's a very heavy price to pay for "more powerful".

      A good and very simple example of this human limitation is multiplication tables. Time yourself how long it take you do the math on 4*4, 8*8, 12*12, 16*16 etc. There is almost no perceptible speed differential as long as we stay within optimized areas. The speed crashes by hundreds of times slower once you exit this area and go into abstraction.

      This just as an example of what we're talking about on very basic level, and for learned things. When you go into hard coded biological aspects, like the way attention is directed within cone of vision, speed differential commonly has three meaningful zeroes at the tail.

    35. Re:Relevance in the market? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      And on your last point, which I failed to edit into my original point. Why does something that works well for specific task need updates? I've used same version of winamp for something close to a half a decade if not longer. It does everything I need it to do. What is the benefit of getting "updates"?

    36. Re:Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Winamp is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes.

    37. Re: Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just organize your files into folders and then do a 'right-click + open' to play them, who cares what software is playing it?

      What an extremely limited way to listen to music. So when you can't listen to music, you can't dynamically create say a playlist that includes all high rated music from specific genres from specific years with specific moods?

      I could never go back to playing music like you do. Far too limited and undiscoverable.

    38. Re:Relevance in the market? by kbrannen · · Score: 1

      Try qmmp; it's pretty much (old) winamp for linux. Simple, light, just works.

    39. Re:Relevance in the market? by Antiocheian · · Score: 1

      Yes I know, but as I've said, foobar provides powerful *options*. If you don't care about them, you won't even see them, so you'll never move outside your optimized area.

    40. Re:Relevance in the market? by Antiocheian · · Score: 1
    41. Re:Relevance in the market? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      This is literally the answer to my question that concedes that there's no point to updates if everything works as intended.

      This is the case for most people with winamp.

    42. Re:Relevance in the market? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. One has to remember that these kinds of preferences are deeply personal, just like someone can do even triple number multiplications rapidly.

    43. Re:Relevance in the market? by Antiocheian · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with Winamp users sticking to what works for them. My issue was with your initial analogy of foobar to a truck with a crane.

    44. Re:Relevance in the market? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you talking about? Have you even used it? DeaDBeeF is a (lesser) copy of foobar2000 and doesn't look or work at all like XMMS or Winamp by default.

  4. How is the Llama? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any updates on the llama?

    1. Re:How is the Llama? by zidium · · Score: 1

      It died. Its ass was really kicked too hard too many times :-/

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  5. winamp... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it really whips the llama's @$$

  6. WinAmp is great... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So long as they keep it simple like it was and don't "modernize" the UI experience. I always liked the low requirements it had to do all the things it did. Audacious runs on my Linux machines in it's WinAmp mode quite nicely.

  7. Winamp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It really Whip The Llama's Ass.

  8. no XSPF = donotwant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Winamp doesn't support XSPF.
    Not interested.

  9. It really whips the llama's ass! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaF-nRS_CWM

  10. Streaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    “You can listen to the MP3s you may have at home, but also to the cloud, to podcasts, to streaming radio stations, to a playlist you perhaps have built.”
    "While Saboundjan declined to get into the specifics of which services would be part of the new Winamp or how the app would plug into, say, your Spotify playlists, your Google Music library, your Podcasts app, Audible, and so on, he seemed confident that it would meet the needs he outlined."

    Yeah, so basically everything has gone to either Spotify or Apple Music streaming services now. I'd like to say people still use their MP3/AAC/FLAC collections but not really on their phones anymore.

    Without any specifics about what the new Winamp supports other than the same stuff it supported back in the early 2000s this is a whole lot of who cares.

    1. Re:Streaming? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      On the phones, there's musicolet. It serves the same purpose and has very similar functionality to good old winamp.

    2. Re:Streaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a microSD card with aproximately 68GB of mp3s in my phone, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:Streaming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Musicolet"? LOL!

      Why settle for unknown and subpar? Just use foobar2000.

    4. Re:Streaming? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

      Because foobar2k is windows software. Musicolet is an android music player?

  11. Yeah by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...it's going to be 2.1 gig d/l, require a credit card to sign in (we will never charge you, ever!), and gather every single personal data point resident on your system.

    And still won't perform the basic function of playing mp3s as well as 2013 version.

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    1. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it will provide the "same unified experience on all devices", ie. it sucks on all of them.

    2. Re:Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it'll be written in electron i bet: in other words ship with a runtime 10000x as sophisticated as teh application its used for, and take up 10000x the memory.

  12. The real reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The real reason winamp disappeared - #metoo stepped in and saved those poor llamas.

  13. Save the drama... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...for you llama, Obama, and your baby momma.

    1. Re: Save the drama... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misplaced a comma ;)

  14. Foobar by RickyShade · · Score: 5, Funny

    But I have foobar2000.

  15. I miss Winamp by Toxiz · · Score: 3

    I loved winamp, and would love to get it back. I don't really have faith that this won't be a terrible cloud heavy version with the old Winamp name. But, here's hoping it's a lightweight music player that doesn't connect to the internet unless I direct it to.

    1. Re:I miss Winamp by Luckyo · · Score: 2

      Why don't you get it back? It's still readily available.

    2. Re:I miss Winamp by technodrome · · Score: 1

      I'm using an older version of Winamp as it is. I can't imagine, that I'm gonna like the newest version. I just want to play audio files, and easily edit playlists. If I want a full featured audio player, I fire up Serato.

    3. Re:I miss Winamp by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Just download whatever version of Winamp you want to. Have you tried Google? Winamp isn't exactly hard to find.

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  16. WINAMP.... by nycsubway · · Score: 1, Redundant

    It really whips the lamma's ass.. *baaah* *bahhh*

    1. Re:WINAMP.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It really did *sob* whip that lamma *tears*.

  17. XMMS fork Audacious does this (on Windows too) by Khopesh · · Score: 4, Informative

    Audacious, a descendant of XMMS (which was a clone of Winamp), works wonderfully. Its "Winamp Classic Interface" looks exactly like Winamp and even (iirc) supports Winamp skins.

    That said, I do miss the old (original) Whitecap visualization (one of the very few in which you could really see the music in what was still a visually stunning display), which only works on Winamp on Windows. (...not that Winamp's return would allow me to run this again.)

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    1. Re:XMMS fork Audacious does this (on Windows too) by AsylumWraith · · Score: 1

      I downloaded and installed Whitecap, just because I had never heard of it, (I usually use the old Geiss 4.29.)

      Nice plugin, and the installer prompted me for which media players I wanted to add it to; but, unfortunately, you're right, no Audacious support. Long list of other players, tho.

  18. Winamp updates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

          From a layman's perspective, all it really seems to need updates for is the method of getting playlists and the associated files onto other devices.

          The actual playing of music and the way one creates playlists seems just fine. If the idea is start integrating other streaming services, that's fine I suppose, as long as this doesn't somehow lock down any ability to manage local files / audio. If it means DRM enters the program, that will be immediately highly concerning..

          I would, indeed, be nice to have mobile app version to rival poweramp and others, again as long as the workings of winamp remain open, in the sense of easily parseable playlists and online-media access.

          I guess a final point I can think of for an update, would be llama ass beat mode, where the bass beat causes a llama's ass to be whooped graphically instead of having a bass meter.

  19. "People want one single experience." by doconnor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "People want one single experience."

    A lot of software has gone down to tubes because of this idea. People don't want one single experience. They want different experiences for different circumstances. They want software with features optimized for how they listen to music, how they listen to streaming radio and how they listen to podcasts. Combining them into one app is both unnecessary and creates undesirable side effects.

    The same thing happened with social media apps tried to be the be-all and end-all of all media, when users want to keep things nice and compartmentalized.

    1. Re:"People want one single experience." by bananaquackmoo · · Score: 1

      To counter your argument, SOME people do/don't want (insert experience here). Some people do want one single experience. I'm one of them.

    2. Re:"People want one single experience." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't use any of the music streaming services. Mainly because the programmers can't tell one genre from another. If I am listening to 80s rock, its really annoying to hear country (which I can't stand!) on that 80s rock channel. I have bought copies of the music that I like, and will play those tracks locally. Oh, and VLC sucks for both audio and video!

    3. Re:"People want one single experience." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I could get a single program to play my spotify music, apple music, and amazon music, I would use that app in a fucking heartbeat.

    4. Re:"People want one single experience." by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 0

      Huh? VLC sucks? It doesn't. That is a weird thing to say.
      Not that great as a manager, but that is what the file system is for

      I haven't found anything that plays as much as VLC.
      K-Lite and CCCP never did and always had problems.


      Also, 80s rock is overall terrible. Give me every other decade but that one. Sure I will lose some good stuff, but will dodge most of the bad.

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    5. Re:"People want one single experience." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      COMPANIES want their product to be the one experience.
      BananaQuackMoo, LLC, inc.

    6. Re:"People want one single experience." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "That is a weird thing to say."

      No it's not. Go try to play some 4K content in VLC and get back to us.

      Yes, VLC is a lot better than the hordes of utterly shit players which were basically just skins on top of Windows DirectShow. But that doesn't put VLC on par with the second coming.

    7. Re:"People want one single experience." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VLC sucks for both audio and video!

      It certainly sucks less than almost everything else out there.

      So, even though it may suck, it's still among the best.

    8. Re:"People want one single experience." by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      People don't want one single experience.

      Please don't speak for "people". Speak for yourself. You'll find there's lots of people out there who want lots of different things. For example I want one single experience, but I want that experience to start with a base system that is customisable and extensible with a rich plugin scheme.

  20. Re:Do you wipe your hand with your ass too? by RickyShade · · Score: 1

    Aw lol some poor AC doesn't know about themes! And thinks that a tool used to manage and play music needs to be 'pretty'! Ahahahahaha!

  21. 2.95 for the win by Bobrick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm still using Winamp 2.95 for music, and there's nothing that needs to be updated about it. It plays music, has a playlist, volume control. There's also a "browser" which thankfully can be turned off. I suspect this new version will have even more amazing shiny new features that need to be turned off, so basically, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

    1. Re:2.95 for the win by DarkRookie2 · · Score: 1

      If you can even turn them off.

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    2. Re:2.95 for the win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use 2.91. I press a keyboard shortcut to start it and it is immediately playing music. It uses less than 8 MB of memory. If you still use music files stored locally, Winamp 2 is the way to go.

    3. Re:2.95 for the win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am also still running 2.95 because the AudioStocker Pro volume normalization output plugin does not work w 3.0+. I have never found a volume normalizer that works even close to as well (including crappy iTunes) as AudioStocker. Hopefully the back-from-the-grave-and-ready-to-party version will have proper (and configurable) volume normalization!

    4. Re:2.95 for the win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm using 5.666. Still pretty damned good. I've been a Winamp user since the 90's.

    5. Re:2.95 for the win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm currently using Winamp 2.5 at work, and Winamp 2.6 at home... I see no need to update anything at all... I love how they work, and I don't want any unified experience shit like some of these other people... It works and it works great. Very small minimalist interface that I can leave open 24/7 and never have it crash... Fuck spotify and iTunes and Windows Media Player or any other internet connected crap...

    6. Re:2.95 for the win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All software expands till it can send email. So Winamp still has a little way to go.

    7. Re:2.95 for the win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you want somethign more modern check out FooBar 2k.

      Getting it configured can be a bit of a pita but it's awesome when done.

    8. Re:2.95 for the win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting Winamp configured is an even bigger pain, trying to draw all of those graphics and put together the skin in the very limited ways that Winamp allows. Theming is much easier and more powerful in foobar2000 than in Winamp.

  22. Foobar2000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why use anything else?

  23. 'Bout time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As one of those people who helped build the WinAmp ecosystem and watched its subsequent AOL implosion I have to say, "Good!", and "It's about time, Radionomy." So, ya know, if you need the original sources for the 2.65-ish build... I still have them hanging around somewhere on an old CD. Justin and Tom were always messy and I was always cleaning up after them. But, by all means, I hope you improve on it somehow. I still rock out with WinAmp sometimes.

  24. Winamp had the best eye candy. by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    I hope they continue development of that. With modern GPU it should be possible to do some really amazing real-time beat synced effects.

  25. Still use it.... by cycler · · Score: 1

    I still use it and it is running right now.

    Usually listening to the MP3-stream of local FM-radiostations.
    (Although finding the URL for the streams can be hard to find...)

    Why on earth people want to listen to radio through a webbrowser is beyond me.
    Putting WinAmp in the system tray makes it go away and not take up space in the TaskBar.

    So, hopefully this "new" development will not make things worse.......

    /C

    1. Re:Still use it.... by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Even better: I use a Grace wifi radio with a remote control, so my computer and phone are free to do what computers and phones do best. Most of what I listen to is talk radio (and some sports) so the quality of the stream is not something I notice. For music I use the big Yamaha system with real speakers, not tiny crappy speakers.

  26. I used to use it.. but no Linux version by gosand · · Score: 1

    I know there are 'clones' but I haven't found them to be very useful.
    I've tried nearly every player on Linux, and they are either wayyyy too simple or wayyyy to complicated. I don't need a music manager, everything I have is organized by file structure. I don't need a database. I don't need links to album art, or streaming sites, or scrotobobbler, or last.fm, or any of that. I need a decent music player for mp3s. A decent EQ would be nice, and maybe some visualizations if the mood strikes me. That's it.

    I've just been using VLC for the past umpteen years, and it works just fine. An actual Winamp would be pretty cool though.

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    1. Re:I used to use it.. but no Linux version by CronoCloud · · Score: 2

      You don't use XMMS? Because you basically just described it.

    2. Re:I used to use it.. but no Linux version by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      As mentioned in another post, Audacious is the new iteration of XMMS. I remember moving from XMMS to Audacious in 2006, as I have a frontend for them I originally wrote in 2002 and continue to use.

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    3. Re:I used to use it.. but no Linux version by gosand · · Score: 1

      I've tried them all. If my memory serves, I think the issue with XMMS was that I couldn't resize it. It was very tiny on my screen.

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    4. Re:I used to use it.. but no Linux version by kbrannen · · Score: 2

      Yeah, I went on a search for the "winamp of linux" years ago. The original xmms was the answer for some years, but it was eventually replaced by xmms2 and I didn't like it. I found and still use qmmp, which I really like because it's simple, has an EQ, does everything I want, and works well with my dir structure of music, plus it has playlists. It has visualizations too, though I only ever use the default "analyzer" because I don't care about that. It will also take the winamp theme files.

  27. Is listening to music only for the kiddies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Winamp is a tool. It does the job. And things like iTunes aren't really a substitute, and weirdly even on my multi-GHz system iTunes likes to spin and wait at random times.

    1. Re:Is listening to music only for the kiddies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With an ergonomic grip!

  28. It's like Nokia by Bluefirebird · · Score: 1

    The Winamp is like the Nokia brand for Europeans. There is a mix of nostalgia and trust associated with the brand.

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  29. What about llamas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it doesn't whip the llama's ass on the first open, it's not Winamp.

  30. Better for what? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    I need a program that plays mp3 files. Winamp works just fine. At some point there is no room for improvement. A hammer from 1000 years ago looks like a hammer from today.

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  31. Re:linux user detected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dont worry, your year of the linux desktop will happen ANY DAY NOW

  32. Okay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Llama asses have never been so safe.

  33. It never left! (v 5.666) by DogDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Winamp never went anywhere. Unlike most modern software, it didn't require to check in over the Internet to work, so it still works just fine today. I've been happily using Winamp for a few decades, and hopefully, I'll continue to use it for the foreseeable future. The last version is version 5.666, and it was released as a final "thank you, goodbye" with *all* of the "pro" (formerly paid) features, and none of the crapware. I use it for playing all of my media, for ripping and burning CD's, and all sorts of neat stuff.

    Sometimes, software works as intended, with no problems, and simply doesn't need to be "upgraded" any more. I think this is one of those cases.

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  34. What better options? by DogDude · · Score: 1

    What's a better option for listening to music than Winamp? Seriously?

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    1. Re: What better options? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      XMPlay, seriously.

  35. Next year? by allo · · Score: 1

    It is already there. Including skin support.

    https://webamp.org/

  36. llama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Winamp really whips the llamas ass!

  37. That's nothing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My old college roommate swears he is going to create a revamped BBS.

  38. Re:linux user detected by RickyShade · · Score: 1

    Woops you're wrong LMAO I bought Win8 and accepted the free upgrade to Win10, even. I pay a monthly subscription to Office365 and would enjoy an option to subscribe to Windows as well. I gave up on desktop Linux 15 years ago.

  39. Hopefully they'll support modern F/OSS codecs OOTB by TheDarkener · · Score: 1

    I'm a daily user of Audacious so it doesn't matter much to me, but it would be great for them to ensure modern open source codecs like opus (either encapsulated in ogg or not, streamed or file-based) is as well supported as possible.

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  40. This really whips the llama's ass!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    headline says it all

  41. Sonique Media player was way better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonique_(media_player)

    and I'm old.

  42. I'm so old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember Winamp back in the day. I miss Powow too.

  43. Re:Do you wipe your hand with your ass too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    foobar2000 looks and works like anything that the individual user wants it to. It's also more resource efficient and less bloated than any other player. There is a reason why it's known to be the best music player for PC.

  44. I rarely used it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I never jumped on the winamp bandwagon, was more of a Sonique user. (Which still works on Win10)

  45. Could you please keep one thing old? Privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please don't make it spy on you or have forced telemetry like so many other evil pieces of software.

  46. One word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sonos

  47. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I *like* the old version, and still use it. What I like most is the fact that it doesn't have to be updated a few times a month. It might have some vulnerabilities, but I only use it to play local files. If I know some update is available to address some unknown issue, I know I *will* download it. I'm sick of that churn.