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Driverless Car Hype Gives Way To E-Scooter Mania Among Technorati (nbcnews.com)

Millions of dollars in funding and billions of dollars in valuations have made scooters the next big thing since the last big thing. From a report: When Michael Ramsey, an analyst for technology research firm Gartner, started in February to put together his 2018 "hype cycle" report for the future of transportation, he had plenty of topics to choose from: electric vehicles, flying cars, 5G, blockchain, and, of course, autonomous vehicles. But one type of transportation is conspicuously absent from the results of the report: electric scooters. "At the time, outside of California, these scooters were really not that common," Ramsey said. "That's how much has happened." As for autonomous vehicles, which have enjoyed years of hype as the next big thing, Ramsey labeled them sliding into "the trough of disillusionment," which Ramsey described as "when expectations don't meet the truth."

In a matter of months, electric scooter startups have gone from tech oddity to global phenomenon. In some cities, hundreds of scooters suddenly showed up on streets from companies including Bird and Lime, leaving municipalities to figure out how to handle the sudden influx of two-wheeled travelers. The concept behind the scooters is simple: A user can grab any available scooter, unlock it with an app, ride to their destination, and leave the scooter there for someone else to use. Even by the hyper-growth expectations of Silicon Valley, the rise of scooter companies has been dizzying. Scooters can be found in more than 125 cities in the U.S. and more than 10 across the globe. In the year after their launch, both Lime and Bird said their scooters had been used for more than 10 million rides.

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  1. modern day by ole_timer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    suicide

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    1. Re:modern day by BrianMarshall · · Score: 1

      So.... I find one and ride it to work. Someone else takes it elsewhere. How do I get home? Cab?

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  2. Too easy to steal by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    they homeless are having a field day with them. It's pretty easy to yank off the GPS and walk off with them. The batteries have value as scrap too and there's plenty of shady recycling centers that don't ask questions.

    This'll go away when the investor cash dries up and they'll be clogging landfills the world over.

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    1. Re:Too easy to steal by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      they'll be clogging landfills the world over.

      We're getting there

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    2. Re: Too easy to steal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      1 buck to unlock, 15 to 20 cents a minute to ride. Cheaper and faster than an uber for the short jaunts, but that's only if one's around. But fuck these things, laying all over the side walk in my fucking way.

  3. Re:Huh? by youngone · · Score: 2

    Technorati is a person who knows how to change a font to bold in Microsoft Word, according to old people.
    You are an elite hacker because you have figured out how to post on Slashdot.

  4. Overnight by mobby_6kl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Don't really have much to say about the scooters themselves but it's really bizarre how they showed up almost overnight. I've read stories about some American cities bitching about them even here on /. but there wasn't a single shared scooter here (city in central Europe).

    Occasionally you'd see some dork ride an electric scooter or one of those unicycles and even those were pretty rare. I went away for three weeks on vacation, and when I got back they're all over the place.

    One thing I've noticed before though is that a lot of successful local startups are essentially clones of what's been tried before in the US. One of a major and oldest companies here is a clone of Yahoo, there is also a clone of Groupon, and so on. I'm not really sure how financially successful these scooter companies are, but somebody is probably making money so this might've been a decent opportunity.

    1. Re:Overnight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Blitzkreig" is the term that you were looking for.

      Bird, Lime, etc. knew exactly what they were doing. They knew that there would be resistance from a substantial part of the populace, that city governments would have issues with hundreds of unlicensed scooters littering the street, that some cities would want to regulate, etc.

      So they swooped in under the radar, got them established and in use by the part of the populace who thinks this is a good idea, and now they can say "Nyah, nyah, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission."

    2. Re:Overnight by Dorianny · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is not "bizarre." They are simply following Uber's tactics of avoiding regulation by entrenching themselves before regulators have time to react. Once money is in play things get politically "tricky" for the regulators

    3. Re:Overnight by Luckyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      They're dumping the massive overproduction in China. Electric scooters have been a thing there for at least half a decade at this point, and as with all things Chinese, they tend to overproduce massively after initial need is met.

    4. Re:Overnight by joh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not that easy in Europe. They have quite stringent regulations for vehicles and while bicycles are bicycles (and basically 100% unregulated for historical reasons), scooters are just as rare as Segways because they're treated basically as powered toys that are not allowed on public streets. No way. Trying the same as in SF would just get you a into big and expensive trouble in Europe. You may see single people driving around with them as long as nobody cares, but dump a shitload of them onto the streets and try to make money with them and you'll be very surprised what happens to you there.

    5. Re:Overnight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They're dumping the massive overproduction in China. Electric scooters have been a thing there for at least half a decade at this point, and as with all things Chinese, they tend to overproduce massively after initial need is met.

      I saw the Great Khan riding one at his palace when I visited there in 1355.
      Or was it 1439...?

    6. Re:Overnight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No. Last year it was bike sharing. They all lost money as there's no competitive advantage other than first mover; no way to protect your IP as there's practically nothing to patent.

      Bike sharing calmed down, because stories like this Chinese company who went bankrupt because all the bikes were stolen were common. Same thing will happen here.

      https://www.bbc.com/news/business-40351409

    7. Re:Overnight by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 4, Funny

      I read something recently that made me chuckle:

      "In France, everything is allowed unless it's explicitly denied,
        in Germany, everything is denied unless it's explicitly allowed,
        in Russia, everything is denied even if it's explicitly allowed,
        and in Italy, everything is allowed especially if it's explicitly denied."

      My roommate and I just got back from Italy and I was surprised that this Italian company had no problem renting her a Vespa without an International driver's license. "Just look out for the police."

    8. Re:Overnight by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's OK - these "innovators" are just doing what was already being done in China. Scooter and bike rentals have been a thing for quite a while in Shenzhen, Shanghai, Beijing, and other big cities, for quite a while.

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    9. Re:Overnight by spitzak · · Score: 2

      Bull. I was just in Paris. Not only are Bird and Lime scooters in use, there were many many apparently privately owned motorized scooters in use, perhaps more than bicycles.

    10. Re:Overnight by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Funny

      Here's an oldie but it's definitely on target

      Heaven in Europe is where

              the English are the policemen
              the French are the cooks
              the German are the mechanics
              the Italians are the lovers
              and the Swiss organize everything

      Hell in Europe is where

              the German are the policemen
              the English are the cooks
              the French are the mechanics
              the Swiss are the lovers
              and the Italians organize everything

  5. Popcorn, anyone? by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 2

    I don't see this as lasting very long--haven't we already seen an article about a city banning these things? And my first run-in with one was with somebody who was of the definite opinion that "I am on an electric scooter!" means that they automatically have right of way over everybody & do not have to obey the traffic rules. (I admittedly don't know which set applies, but I'm going to bet that you won't go wrong by assuming that the ones that apply to bikes apply to scooters, powered or not.)

    I'm not advocating for it or anything, but...if you have a significant percentage of people using these things being idiots and assholes, it's going to only be a matter of time until they either get banned or start requiring a license to use. I don't particularly care, though; I'm just gonna kick back and enjoy the show.

    1. Re:Popcorn, anyone? by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      my first run-in with one was with somebody who was of the definite opinion that "I am on an electric scooter!" means that they automatically have right of way over everybody & do not have to obey the traffic rules. (I admittedly don't know which set applies, but I'm going to bet that you won't go wrong by assuming that the ones that apply to bikes apply to scooters, powered or not.)

      Motorcycles, actually. These are legally classed as motorized vehicles until new laws are written. Police are using discretion in enforcement because helmet laws, cycle registration plates, etc. don't make much sense. Unfortunately, they are enforcing the "no motor vehicles on the sidewalks" laws with a vengeance, so now there will be more car/human collisions.

      This... My understanding is that the laws that apply to cars equally apply to scooters. They have a different license classification (perhaps the same as motor cycles) but the driving rules should be the same.

    2. Re:Popcorn, anyone? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, they are enforcing the "no motor vehicles on the sidewalks" laws with a vengeance

      As a pedestrian who walks a small child to and from school I don't see what's unfortunate about that.

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    3. Re:Popcorn, anyone? by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      my first run-in with one was with somebody who was of the definite opinion that "I am on an electric scooter!" means that they automatically have right of way over everybody & do not have to obey the traffic rules. (I admittedly don't know which set applies, but I'm going to bet that you won't go wrong by assuming that the ones that apply to bikes apply to scooters, powered or not.)

      Motorcycles, actually. These are legally classed as motorized vehicles until new laws are written. Police are using discretion in enforcement because helmet laws, cycle registration plates, etc. don't make much sense. Unfortunately, they are enforcing the "no motor vehicles on the sidewalks" laws with a vengeance, so now there will be more car/human collisions.

      Just checking--you are aware these are the motorized version of kick scooters, not the ones that are a type of motorcycle, right? Though the person I mentioned definitely would have been responsible for a scooter/human collision if there'd been any people trying to use the sidewalk...and, well, probably wouldn't have had a license for very long if spotted by any cops, since for some reason the police tend to like it if you don't have your nose in a book when you're operating a motor vehicle...

    4. Re:Popcorn, anyone? by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, they are enforcing the "no motor vehicles on the sidewalks" laws with a vengeance

      As a pedestrian who walks a small child to and from school I don't see what's unfortunate about that.

      Those kinds of laws typically don't get passed unless there's been enough problems with their riders being a danger to pedestrians, deliberately or otherwise, to make it simpler to just force them off of the sidewalk entirely. The city I grew up in actually had people pull off that particular feat for bicycles.

    5. Re:Popcorn, anyone? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Here, as long as they can't go over 50 km/h (maybe 30 km/h), you don't need a license or insurance and if they have pedals, they don't need lights, signals and such.
      Just like bicycles, they are supposed to follow the same driving rules.

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    6. Re:Popcorn, anyone? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Are there cities where bicycles can legally use sidewalks? Even as a kid back in the '60's, riding on the sidewalk was illegal, though rarely enforced.

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    7. Re:Popcorn, anyone? by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      Google search says that, at least as of 2016, yes, including Washington, DC and Boston. Reference which also covers some of the issues--though I'd note that it doesn't quite cover why pedestrians might feel endangered.

      So: Where I grew up, it was legal when I was in preschool...and yes, yes some did try to run people over. I was almost run over myself, around when I was six. That was how I learned I knew how to fall safely well enough to manage a ~10ft steep drop through thick brush & walk away without even a bruise, because it was that, get hit by the fast-moving bike, or go into the busy street. The man on the bike did not bother stopping to see if I was okay...

    8. Re:Popcorn, anyone? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I was under the impression that, in the UK at least, bicycles were considered vehicles from the outset.

      Though that was a little bit before my time.

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    9. Re:Popcorn, anyone? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      note that it doesn't quite cover why pedestrians might feel endangered.

      Are you working under the assumption that being hit by a bike won't cause injury?

      https://www.theguardian.com/uk...

      There's also issue of robberies.

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    10. Re:Popcorn, anyone? by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 1

      note that it doesn't quite cover why pedestrians might feel endangered.

      Are you working under the assumption that being hit by a bike won't cause injury?

      Did you miss the part about my experience with being nearly hit by a bike, and that I opted instead for throwing myself off a short cliff to avoid being hit by a bike? Or are you working under the assumption that I did that for some reason other than self-preservation?

  6. Throw them off of sidewalks by DogDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every one I see on a sidewalk gets tossed by me.

    1. You can't just leave your shit in the middle of the sidewalk. That's called littering.
    2. You can't operate a business in the middle of the sidewalk. That's illegal in every municipality that I know of.
    3. The really hurt disabled people, such as people in wheelchairs and the blind.

    If I can, I just one foot underneath the middle of the things, and launch them somewhere else, out of the way. I'd put them in the trash, if it were worth my time.

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    1. Re:Throw them off of sidewalks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can't just destroy property, that's an illegal act.

      It's also unwise for an anti-social criminal to share details of their criminal behavior online.

    2. Re:Throw them off of sidewalks by DogDude · · Score: 2

      Property left in the middle of a public sidewalk is abandoned. It's probably illegal to abandon property on a sidewalk.

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    3. Re:Throw them off of sidewalks by hey! · · Score: 2

      Well, what about a bike locked to a parking meter? Is that free to take?

      IIRC, these things have motion alarms that will sound if someone attempts to move them without unlocking them, which is an attempt at least by their owners to secure them.

      The issue here isn't abandoning stuff, nor is it using public spaces for profit, which you generally can do if the activity is not expressly forbidden. The issue is using public spaces in a way that inconveniences other users.

      If you can get away with that, making the public pay your costs is a good way to turn a marginal business into a profitable one. Dock-based bike systems work pretty well in dense city areas like Manhattan, but such a solution involves expenses like building the docks and coordinating with local officials to minimize inconvenience to other city street users. Just ignoring the inconvenience and making everyone else deal with your shit means more money in your pocket.

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    4. Re:Throw them off of sidewalks by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      motion alarms that will sound if someone attempts to move them without unlocking them, which is an attempt at least by their owners to secure them.

      That is not an attempt to secure them. That is an attempt to prevent people from moving property from where it's been improperly abandoned.

      And just like with car alarms, especially since a large number of people hate the things being strewn across their sidewalks, essentially will care about this "securement."

    5. Re: Throw them off of sidewalks by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      Good luck with that claim I court. You know damn well it isn't abandoned property.

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    6. Re:Throw them off of sidewalks by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

      Please, please post a link to any video of you kicking over hot dog carts or espresso stands!

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    7. Re:Throw them off of sidewalks by chiefcrash · · Score: 1

      Property left in the middle of a public sidewalk is not abandoned. It *might* be abandoned. It might also be lost, or mislaid. It might even be *authorized* to be there. All of these usually have different laws attached how someone who finds such property may deal with it...

      Property is generally deemed to have been abandoned if it is found in a place where the true owner likely intended to leave it, but is in such a condition that it is apparent that he or she has no intention of returning to claim it. This doesn't appear to fit what's happening with the scooters. Given the amount of tech installed to prevent people from stealing it, it's pretty clear the true owner has an intention of returning to claim it. Thus, it would be hard to convince anyone the scooters are "abandoned"...

      Furthermore, whether or not the property left in the sidewalk is abandoned doesn't make your actions any less illegal...

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    8. Re:Throw them off of sidewalks by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Property left in the middle of a public sidewalk is not abandoned. It *might* be abandoned. It might also be lost, or mislaid.

      It's definitely obstructing a public right of way. I'm under no obligation to put myself at risk by walking in the road, so if it accidentally gets knocked over as I squeeze past it gets knocked over.

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    9. Re:Throw them off of sidewalks by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Well, what about a bike locked to a parking meter? Is that free to take?

      At least in Los Angeles and San Francisco, using a parking meter as a bike stand/lock stand is illegal. Whilst I may not take it, a quick call to the local authority will have it cut free and impounded.

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    10. Re:Throw them off of sidewalks by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

      TFS was all about Lime and Bird, which in my city operate as legal licensed businesses.

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    11. Re:Throw them off of sidewalks by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Your city allows them to block sidewalks? What shitty city is this?

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    12. Re:Throw them off of sidewalks by chiefcrash · · Score: 1

      Yup, it's definitely obstructing a public right of way. And while you're under no obligation to put yourself at risk by walking in the road, you also have no authority to do anything about the obstruction other than report it to the proper authorities. Just like when the Fedex truck is double parked in front of a building: while it definitely is obstructing a public right of way, you're not allowed to move the truck yourself...

      And if you were to *accidentally* knock it over as you squeezed past, that wouldn't likely be an issue. It also wouldn't be the actions described by DogDude, which entail intentionally "launching" the thing...

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  7. I see the next trend here! by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    So wait, first it was driverless cars, now it is scooters that are hot...

    Obvious next new hot trend: Autonomous Scooters.

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    1. Re:I see the next trend here! by Howitzer86 · · Score: 1

      An idea so dumb it's inevitable!

  8. Next up ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    ... Driverless E-Scooters.

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    1. Re:Next up ... by ole_timer · · Score: 1

      delivering pizza...the crooks will have a field day with that

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  9. Like bees by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    Winter will see a major dip in scooter usage.

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  10. Good source of by bobstreo · · Score: 4, Funny

    free batteries, charging systems, maybe sim cards, and some metal to sell as scrap. Yay makers

    1. Re:Good source of by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      free batteries, charging systems, maybe sim cards, and some metal to sell as scrap. Yay makers

      Why not disable the security and just sell cheap working electric scooters?

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  11. Needs a blockchain, AI and hashtag. by xack · · Score: 1

    Not to forget an emoji based authentication system.

    1. Re:Needs a blockchain, AI and hashtag. by bobstreo · · Score: 1

      Not to forget an emoji based authentication system.

      Maybe add a captcha and a bookface/Google/Oauth authentication

  12. The Next FAD by Zorro · · Score: 1

    Always some new BS isn't there?

    Remember Segways?

  13. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mainly homosexuals in Silicon Valley who consider themselves the technological elites. Characterized primarily by the "soylent grin", dopey beards, and a slavish devotion to the latest techology trend, these "technorati" consider themselves to be the natural aristocratic class by virtue of their education and cushy tech sector jobs making important decisions about things like what color the buttons in "Generic Social Media App #11223" should be. Because of the nonsensically large salaries from their largely pointless jobs, they tend to have a certain sense of guilt for their entirely unearned privilege and as a consequence tend to espouse "socialist" political views through which they imagine they will a) assuage their upper middle class white guilt, and b) be the controlling elite in the future Socialist Utopia. Both of these are patently untrue as they, too, will be murdered unceremoniously by the third-world proletarians they advocate importing en masse and whom they believe ought to inherit the country.

    To summarize, a technorati is a self-absorbed Silicon Valley elitist. See also: futurist, technologist, narcissism, hubris.

  14. Sounds like a bad plan by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    If I can, I just one foot underneath the middle of the things, and launch them somewhere else, out of the way.

    Where is more out of the way than they are? I've usually seem them propped against posts or buildings, standing up so they are not taking up much walking space.

    If you "launch it with a foot" it will land on it's side - either on the sidewalk, or on the street, or maybe into a side of a car. There is no scenario I can see where tossing the thing several feet results in better placement, in fact all possibilities after landing seem quite a lot worse and more like actual littering.

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  15. Winter is coming by pedantic+bore · · Score: 2

    I'm guessing that this infatuation with scooters will end very quickly in many cities once there's snow and ice on the roads.

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    1. Re:Winter is coming by rlp · · Score: 1

      Put a track between the wheels, small skis on either side and you've got e-motorized skis or mini e-snowmobiles (And yes I'm joking)

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  16. Segway, anyone? by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    The Segway was released with a lot of fanfare and after a lot of a secrecy and teasing. Some luminaries (like the late Steve Jobs) who had privileged previous access to it, claimed that it was going to revolutionized transportation. We all know what happened. Motorized scooters, albeit less expensive, are trying to occupy the much-needed gap that the Segway tried to occupy. My prediction: motorized scooters are a fad. In a year's time, most of us will have forgotten about them. It will still be possible to see some in the wild, but they will be nothing much beyond a niche product. They might even come and go, over the years, like the yo-yo; but they are not going to revolutionize anything.

    1. Re:Segway, anyone? by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

      I will say, however, that segways are really cool. A friend convinced me to do one of those "segway tours of the city", in this case Las Vegas. I thought they'd be stupid, but the Segway was actually really intuitive and kind of a thrill to roll around on.
      Of course, you can't afford to buy your own unless you're willing to put down motorcycle level cash, but otherwise they're fun.

    2. Re:Segway, anyone? by CWCheese · · Score: 1

      Yes, I remember the pre-Segway hype when the Silicon Valley luminaries loudly proclaimed that cities will be rebuilt around them , at least until it became known they were only good for a 1 hour ride. I hope your prediction is correct, because in Southern California they are being dumped into the most congested beach cities where they won't do anything to alleviate pedestrian or motor traffic, indeed they will make it even worse by adding random unskilled motorists into the mix.

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  17. Driverless Car Hype Gives Way To E-Scooter Mania by hiroshimarrow · · Score: 1

    For one or two days, 2 years ago.

  18. The word you want is Technocrat by FilmedInNoir · · Score: 2

    Technorati is the name of a business that got bought out in 2016 and got shut down. Did Google type stuff.

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    1. Re:The word you want is Technocrat by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Technorati is the name of a business that got bought out in 2016 and got shut down. Did Google type stuff.

      No, a Technorati was a word that predated that site. Its a portmanteau of "technology" and "literati" (literati means literate in Latin). In modern parlance literati has been used to as a suffix to describe people considered to be at the forefront of whatever the first word is, however it is often used ironically to indicate that the literati have no idea about what they're on about and should be ignored. The website used the name because of it's meaning (the non ironic one I would assume).

      Technocrat is a person in power or seeking power who advocates and/or uses technology as a means of power, it is a portmanteau of "technology" and "bureaucrat".

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  19. Re:Mostly Tesla. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Exactly. In addition he hates shorts, just like the Enron guys did before they went to jail. I wonder why.

  20. Oh, old people upset because nobody drives by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Cry me a river.

    Fossil fuels are over.

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    1. Re:Oh, old people upset because nobody drives by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Yet the world still runs on fossil fuels.

      I appreciate the idealism, but get serious.

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    2. Re:Oh, old people upset because nobody drives by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      I am serious. Read. The. Fine. Article.

      Notice anything missing?

      Yup, fossil fuels.

      Here in the West, around 80-98 percent of our electricity is green, not from fossil fuels. By 2020 80 percent of all trucks and cars sold in BC and CA will be either 100 percent electric or 80/20 hybrids. Including most medium and long haul trucks. In fact, Mexico plans to run self-driving tractor trailer trucks north, along highways, in their own lanes, half way up the US.

      Any investor can see it coming.

      Adapt.

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  21. And how many cities banned them? by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

    Companies brought in these scooters into cities without any interaction with city goverment.
    I have also seen a number of post's about idiot drivers who haven't a clue on safety.
    I am not against the idea, just think it should have been thought out better.

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  22. Centre of gravity by labnet · · Score: 1

    Scooters have a fundamental problem for adults. Small wheels combined with high centre of gravity gives a very small reaction time for unexpected or misjudged obstacles.
    Who funds this crap anyway? Too easy too steal, too easy to have accidents, littering side walks. What's wrong with 'gasp' walking?

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    1. Re:Centre of gravity by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > What's wrong with 'gasp' walking?

      /sarcasm That would involve "work" and staying in shape.

  23. Still a bad plan by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I usually put them (sometimes with force) into the area between the sidewalk and the street.

    That puts them where cars might go (either for parking or just driving), or especially a problem for bikes which tend to hug the curbs if cars are on the street, so it is still a worse idea.

    People around here clip the exposed wires, at least that is a peaceful end that does not hurt either pedestrians or cars... re-arrange them if you must, but anywhere on the street is worse than the sidewalk. Maybe hang them over traffic lights?

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  24. Re:"technorati" is such a cringey "word" by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

    I nominate asshat. =P

    (Yes, Technocrat is the actual word that is too sophisticated for the pompous author.)

  25. They are all over Portland by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    I'm not clear why they are allowed to be left blocking the sidewalks... do they pay the city for the privilege of using up acres of sidewalk space?

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    1. Re:They are all over Portland by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      do they pay the city for the privilege of using up acres of sidewalk space?

      Do motorists pay the city for using up acres of road space (i.e., on-street parking)?

      In some cases, yes.

      Don't get me wrong, I think the things are a nuisance for just the reasons you describe: there's no place to put them so people just leave them where-ever--the assholes leave them in the middle of the sidewalk while the nice people might try to find a somewhat out of the way place if possible.

      My attitude on things like bike/e-bike/scooter type rentals is that they should be required to rent a parking space for their scooter parking. Any scooter found not parked in that space will generate a fine for the company (which they are free to pass on to the person who rented the bike).

      And, no, if the city does offer free parking for cars, I have no problem with them taking a parking space on each block and saying, "Scooter/Bike Parking Only" (and the companies don't have to pay the city for the parking space rental).

    2. Re:They are all over Portland by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about elsewhere but in general in the USA you can park on the side of the road, as close to the curb as possible, anywhere that such parking is not explicitly forbidden by signage or other marking. There are some additional rules that you ostensibly have to know in order to be licensed to drive such as not parking in front of a fire hydrant, driveway, too close to an intersection. Most jurisdictions also specify a maximum distance from the curb although I've never seen anyone issued a ticket for fragrant violations of that rule. The point though is that there are commonsense rules and standards for parking a vehicle on the road which are mostly adhered to. When it comes to short term rental scooters people seem to lose their mind and just ditch them in the middle of the sidewalk.

  26. Parkings? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

    Don't just release scooters without any means to park and store them properly.

    Work with the cities and towns to install locking parkings. In order to return the scooter, you need to dock it. If you don't, the bill is still running on your account.

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  27. Re:E-Scooters are Dead On Arrival by DCFusor · · Score: 1

    The need for a plausible (for some value of) idea to get VC money from gullible investors? The need to be able to tell themselves they are innovators and can change the world? All sorts of non-obvious (unless you're a cynic) payoffs to be had. Most startups pay their C suite guys pretty well off the VC money, and just cut and run when it runs out. Easy peasy - and now you have "ran a startup" on your CV.

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  28. Re:E-Scooters are Dead On Arrival by careysub · · Score: 1

    Q. What acute problem does an E-Scooter solve? A. Nothing!

    The acute problem is the "last few miles" problem of urban mass transit rail systems (the "Metro" as it is called in many cities around the world). You can take a Metro into the city center to commute to your job, but then you have get to that final destination on foot. On a Metro can cross an urban area at an average speed of 30 MPH, but then you have to get to your final destination at 3 MPH. The whole commuting strategy is much improved if you can do that final bit at 15 MPH.

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  29. These will go the way of the hoverboard by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    Once the lawsuits start rolling in on injuries, and people begin to realize these things are rolling accidents waiting to happen,they will fade away into the sunset just like hoverboards.

  30. Re:E-Scooters are Dead On Arrival by kaatochacha · · Score: 1

    walk. it still works.

  31. More Scooters - Less Cars by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

    Even gas scooter get 92MPG (Piaggio Liberty 150)
    Many motorcycles get 65MPG.

    Make things safer for pedestrians, bicyclists, scooterists, and motorcyclists.

    Reduction of Preventable Bicycle, Motorcycle, and Small Vehicle Hazards

    Signaling
    No traffic light may ever direct a motorist to drive toward a pedestrian.
    Currently, many traffic lights direct left-turning traffic to cross while the pedestrian is directed to walk. While many drivers yield, often the motorist will false-start when/if they notice the pedestrian.
    All traffic lights must detect even a composite bicycle, or not utilize detection at all.
    Cyclists of all kinds cannot be expected to wait indefinably at an intersection for a traffic light that will never change for them, thereby placing them at increased risk of a rear-end collision.

    Infrastructure and Construction
    The road surface must be safe for 2 wheeled vehicles as well as 4 wheel vehicles.
    Painted and applied lines and markings must have and maintain a non-slip surface.
    The current markings are too smooth. When they become wet, clearly they dangerous to those who ride motorcycles, scooters, and bicycles. A little sand mixed into the marking paint will make them reliable.
    Roads must not be made with groves parallel to the road direction.
    Road cuts should have a minimum angle as not to deflect wheels.
    Curb construction should not meet the road where a bicycle is expected to be ridden.
    This dangerous construction technique is used throughout Campbell and San Jose. Obviously, storm drains must be safe for cyclists/motorcyclists to cross.
    All steel plates used for temporary construction must have a textured pattern on them such as diamond plate to reduce wheel slippage.
    Often, cold-patch asphalt is used to create a ramp at the edge of the plate, which creates an oily surface on a slick metal plate.

    Post-Accident Refuse
    Any accident where a vehicle part touches the road surface must be reported.
    The road area must be inspected and signed off by authorities after an accident has occurred.
    The roads are often littered with fragments from car accidents.
    [In the cleanup of Los Gotos creek trail, volunteers found most of the front end bodywork of a Mitsubishi: nose, signal lights, fenders, ect.

    Dooring
    Drivers must be held responsible for doorings, where an automobile is opened into a moving bicyclist’s or motorcyclist’s path.
    A motorcyclist or bicyclist often cannot see into the car because of a total internal reflection condition exists with the side windows. A cars and trucks have a side mirror, which can be used to see if the way is clear before opening the door. It is impossible to stop a vehicle as fast as someone can open it into passing traffic.
    Accident Violations Should Be Higher for Drivers Who Strike a Pedestrian, Cyclist, or Motorcyclist, who do not have a roll-cage around them.

    Bicycle Theft
    In larger cities, a task force, should be set up to reduce bicycle thieves.
    It would be beneficial if larger cites if larger cities were the place where your bicycle is safer, than more likely to be stolen.
    Moving Vehicle Violations
    The operators of all vehicles who fail to use signals, follow too close, and use cellphones while driving, need to be reduced.

    Licensing
    Drivers need to be educated and tested about cyclists, motorcyclists, and pedestrians.
    Many drivers remain unaware that bicyclists have a right to be on the road.

    Hand Signals
    Bicyclists cannot be expected to use a stop while stopping.
    It is nearly impossible to safely stop a bicycle without having both hands on the bars.
    The current hand scheme better suits drivers than cyclists, scooterists, and motorcyclists. Simply pointing where you intend to go, with coarse arm motions is far more visible than signaling with fine hand motions.

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  32. Re:E-Scooters are Dead On Arrival by CWCheese · · Score: 1

    This is a solution only for the young and fearless (e.g. reckless) because I've yet to see a middle aged person hop on one of these kiddie toys to get to the office. Also, given the enormous numbers of workers in the city centers, it would require having tens of thousands of these toys to move people from buses/trains to office buildings. Where will all these be stored in an unobtrusive manner?

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  33. Fuck Em by sexconker · · Score: 1

    I started seeing these BIRD scooters in my area recently. If I'm walking and I come across one, I'm chucking it in the nearest dumpster. They're fucking blocking the sidewalks.

  34. Re:E-Scooters are Dead On Arrival by spitzak · · Score: 1

    How about where they store the two tons of metal most workers bring with them every day?

  35. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    More people voted for Hillary than voted for Trump.

    *Love* seeing how obviously that still sticks in your craw.

  36. Re:E-Scooters are Dead On Arrival by CWCheese · · Score: 1

    Yeah, they can do that, as long as the cities are okay with that. Of course that means the pedestrians are going to have to go searching in the multi-level garages to find the scooters, and then find a garage at their destination to re-store them at end of use.

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  37. Road Rage by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    God Damn you!! That's all I gotta say...

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  38. global phenomenon by houghi · · Score: 1

    10 cities worldwide. I understand that some people in the US have no idea how big the world outside the US is, but still.

    The piece reads as if the streets are blocked with 2wheel vehicles like an old Asian town. I call bullshit on the whole thing because of it.

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  39. Re:Relegated to streets, but park on sidewalks by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    They're essentially fast pedestrians and slow, low-mass wheeled vehicles, so the laws of physics say they should be on the sidewalks

    I didn't notice that there were laws of physics related to sidewalks. Forces, charges, voltages, sure...but sidewalks?

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