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The Average Cable Bill Has Increased More Than 50 Percent Since 2010 (streamingobserver.com)

According to new research, the average cost households pay for cable is now up to $107 a month -- that's a 50% increase since 2010 when cable bills were $71.24 a month. When compared to last year, it's only a 1% increase, "thanks in large part to increasing fees for things like regional sports licensing and taxes," reports Streaming Observer. From the report: Leichtman Research Group's data was gathered through a telephone survey of 1,152 households from throughout the United States. The research found that 78% of American households still subscribe to a paid TV subscription. That percentage is down from 86% in 2013, 87% in 2008, and 81% in 2004, but 78% is still a pretty high figure given how high cable costs continue to rise each year and how affordable streaming video services are in comparison.

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  1. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We don't get cable TV along with it.

  2. Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... for a big part of the market. These companies need to understand that by hiking rates they're causing more people to cut the cord. They need to go for volume if they're to survive as TV businesses (and not just ISP's).

    1. Re: Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe if they didnt bundle crap channels with basic packages, people may be more inclined to keep cable. Do I want OWN, Lifetime, FYI, Hallmark or any of that crap? Nope.

    2. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by jshackney · · Score: 1

      I don't think they get it. I can't just demand more money from the people who pay me. Well, I can, but it rarely works out the way I think it should :-D

    3. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by mschaffer · · Score: 1

      Well, if you don't like it, you can always get cable from another provider.... ...well...err....uh...how about....
      In most of the US they have a monopoly. If you are really lucky you can switch to the other ripoff cable provider in your area.

    4. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      so thank you to all the fucking 'cord cutters' that raised the rates for everybody else.

      our bill went from $110 with all the premiums and extra tiers and '1 tier higher than slowest' internet to $140 with NO premiums, no extra tiers, about a dozen LESS channels in the base package than there used to be, and slowest-available internet.

      so $30 more for less, and 15x4 + 10x2 + 5 + 20 = $105 for what we gave up = $135 + 110 = $245 to get what we had. that's well over 100% increase since 2005 when we had to start downgrading services.

    5. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      so thank you to all the fucking 'cord cutters' that raised the rates for everybody else.

      our bill went from $110 with all the premiums and extra tiers and '1 tier higher than slowest' internet to $140 with NO premiums, no extra tiers, about a dozen LESS channels in the base package than there used to be, and slowest-available internet.

      so $30 more for less, and 15x4 + 10x2 + 5 + 20 = $105 for what we gave up = $135 + 110 = $245 to get what we had. that's well over 100% increase since 2005 when we had to start downgrading services.

      You're the dumbass who is still using cable - LOL!

    6. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by WaffleMonster · · Score: 5, Funny

      so thank you to all the fucking 'cord cutters' that raised the rates for everybody else.

      You're quite welcome.

      so $30 more for less, and 15x4 + 10x2 + 5 + 20 = $105 for what we gave up = $135 + 110 = $245 to get what we had. that's well over 100% increase since 2005 when we had to start downgrading services.

      You're welcome to join us and become a cord cutter too. We have cookies.

    7. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by tepples · · Score: 1

      Say your cable company makes these offers:

      • Internet only: $99.99/mo
      • Bundle deal with Internet and TV: $89.99/mo (plus $10/mo local channels and regional sports surcharge)

      In a situation like this, what's the benefit of cutting TV?

    8. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by jdharm · · Score: 1
      We get it. We don't want the crap either but the content providers tell us that if we want to carry the channels you do want then we have to carry all that crap you don't, and we get charged per customer per channel. So when they demand we carry another channel you've never heard of and don't want we have no choice but to pass that cost on to you, otherwise you'll loose that one channel you are really interested in. Federal law says they can do this and we have to suck it up.

      "thanks in large part to increasing fees for things like regional sports licensing and taxes,"

      100% of this rate increase, at least in our system, is directly attributable to the hikes in prices by the content providers that we pass on to customers. Our local ABC affiliate is a good example. They went from charging us $1 per customer to $4 per customer. Bam! Done. And there's nothing we can do about it. And every content network is doing this kind of crap. (Though not to this degree, admittedly.)

      We just pass on the cost without any margin for ourselves. We make $0 on content. Nothing. The portion of the bill we charge for ourselves to run the cable system hasn't increased in 20 years.

    9. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      so thank you to all the fucking 'cord cutters' that raised the rates for everybody else.

      Is that the sound of your PVR's hard disk crashing or the world's tiniest violin?

      It's your own fault, not the cord cutters. They are giving you less stuff for the same money, and you are accepting that. There is no down side for them, some people pay more and people like you pay the same for less.

      That's why prices aren't going down. If more people ditched cable TV they would be forced to offer a more attractive, competitive product.

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    10. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by chispito · · Score: 1

      Say your cable company makes these offers:

      • Internet only: $99.99/mo
      • Bundle deal with Internet and TV: $89.99/mo (plus $10/mo local channels and regional sports surcharge)

      In a situation like this, what's the benefit of cutting TV?

      Eventually the benefit is that's a great market for a competing ISP to enter.

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    11. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by MooseTick · · Score: 1

      "In most of the US they have a monopoly."

      I guess this is true if you don't count DirectTV, Dish, Sling, Hulu, Netflix, YouTube or one of the many other providers with regular new/old content.

    12. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      The biggest would be that it's not really $89/mo + $10/mo local channels. They'll also charge you a fee per outlet in your house, a cable box rental fee, a local cable TV franchise tax, a miscellaneous maintenance fee, a month with five mondays fee, a...

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    13. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      FYI, unless you've dropped all their services, you didn't cut the cord. You've eliminated one service. That's all. And they don't care because you are still getting that service from them and paying through the nose.

    14. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      No they wouldn't. They just continue to jack up the internet rates. Most people who said they cut the cord, just eliminated TV. Hardly sticking it to the man now is it...

    15. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      You're welcome to join us and become a cord cutter too. We have cookies.

      And Netflix.

      After not having cable (or satellite) TV for about 15 years, when I have a chance to experience cable TV these days, I can't imagine paying for it. You have to watch shows when they are on, instead of when you want to? Every show is interrupted every 6 minutes for 3 minutes of commercials? I wouldn't want that if it were free.

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    16. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      To be another brick in the wall.

      Broadcast TV is dead. Cable bundles are dead. They're just barely hanging on because of folks like you (and my wife) won't stop giving them a way to make the books show that TV can still turn a profit, and that people still want it.

      We don't want it. We want on-demand. We want a back catalog. We want to binge a series. We want more than 22 minutes of content in an hour. We want a fucking search function.

      The sooner TV dies, the better. And before some asshat blubbers , "But mah spoorts!", individual sports streams are already a thing. Youtube Live is already a thing. The ESPN and individual sport broadcast apps are a thing. You don't need 1000 expensive channels of garbage to watch sports.

      You want sports? Pay your fucking $40 a month to ESPN for your sports. Stop expecting the rest of us to subsidize it with a TV bundle.

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    17. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

      Say your cable company makes these offers:

      • Internet only: $99.99/mo
      • Bundle deal with Internet and TV: $89.99/mo (plus $10/mo local channels and regional sports surcharge)

      In a situation like this, what's the benefit of cutting TV?

      The benefit is that you are not paying all the taxes, franchise fees, box rentals, and other assorted bullshit they add on to the price. I'd rather pay $99.99 and not have to pray that they don't suddenly throw in some fee - just because - from one month to the next. I cut the cord five years ago and the cable company has probably spent several hundred dollars in that time on postage and high quality marketing materials I receive every other day begging my return. They offer all sorts of wonderful deals but unfortunately I played that game once before and know just how those deals work out in the end. Their plea falls on deaf ears.

    18. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by tepples · · Score: 1

      We don't want it. We want on-demand. We want a back catalog.

      A valid criticism of satellite television. But cable offers a fairly large selection of video on demand, but the studios won't let the networks offer all episodes of all seasons because that would unfairly compete with DVD box set sales.

      Youtube Live is already a thing.

      Not in my ZIP code, according to YouTube TV's signup form.

      The ESPN and individual sport broadcast apps are a thing.

      And the first thing users see is "Sign in with the username and password issued by your participating multichannel pay TV provider."

    19. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by mschaffer · · Score: 1

      Touche!
      I don't watch much TV so I forgot about most of them. I do have Netflix and access to YouTube. I think Netflix is superior to cable but was not aware that it offered cable (other than shows that used to be on cable).

    20. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      so thank you to all the fucking 'cord cutters' that raised the rates for everybody else.

      Are you really making the argument that by not having cable TV, I'm responsible for your prices?

      You should work in the Federal Government. Yeah, a while ago they made the argument that basically boiled down to "farmers who don't sell their products across state lines are depriving the interstate market of goods and thereby affect the prices of goods in other states. Thus, they are open to regulation under the commerce clause." SCOTUS agreed...

      Your mentality is equally retarded.

    21. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      Uh.. You show me any cable company offering 2 plans for the exact same price.. I think you're full of crap.

      If they offer internet for $99/month OR internet plus TV for $99 a month, you're either lying or they are fucking you. They MUST pay the content providers for the programming/channels they carry. So, if they offer two services for the exact same price, but one costs them a bunch of money.. then I'd argue that they are overcharging for the internet option.

    22. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by tepples · · Score: 1

      They MUST pay the content providers for the programming/channels they carry.

      A lot of which they recoup by selling ad time on those channels. Typical retransmission agreements allow cable system operators to replace a few commercials per hour.

    23. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      Fair point. I hadn't considered that.

      Counterpoint:

      In a situation like this, what's the benefit of cutting TV?

      Not existing as a couch potato? Beyond a few news stations television, in and of itself, provides no net positive benefit to society. Actually I'd guess/argue the reverse is true. I've done zero research, but I'd be willing to bet a few bucks that obesity started ticking up the day after TV was invented.

      I'm not arguing or even suggesting it be banned (freedom, personal choice, etc etc). But, it's crap. So.. I'd say the benefit of cutting TV is the possibility of a longer and healthier life.. It's also a propaganda box for consumerism and politics.. But that's another story..

  3. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by jshackney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Precisely.

    There's next to nothing on television I want to watch. Internet service is adequate (and has been since my 2009 DSL line) for my tele-viewing needs.

  4. Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by AlanObject · · Score: 5, Informative

    I had been a Comcast customer for years. I had Internet, Phone, and Cable TV service. Rate was about $180/month. Two year contract.

    The Internet service is excellent. Not only is it fast and reliable (wasn't always but they fixed things) but they actually do IPv6 right.

    So last year (about 18 months ago) they decide I must be too pleased some it's TIME FOR A FLEECING!

    My contract is up. I want to renew. NOT AN OPTION. I say what do you mean you can't. I'm using it right now. Yes but the 3-service deal is no longer offered. You have to get the 4-service deal. It is called "quad play." In addition to the other services you get home security.

    I say I don't want another security service. I have ADP and have invested $1500 in sensors that would be thrown away if I changed now. Not to mention I would have to purchase more sensors.

    I won't bore you with the details but the choices boiled down to this: 1) ditch Comcast (and I lose the Internet service i depend on for my business). 2) Get the three services I have been using which will cost about $100 more than what I have been paying, or 3) get the FOUR services for about $40 LESS -- FOR NOW -- than I have been paying.

    Now get this. I say ok I'll take the quad play but I'll just not use the home security. So no need to schedule the installers --- hold your horses right there son. We WON'T give you a new contract until AFTER our installers show up to your house, burn a half day of your time, and certify that the service is installed. And there is this wireless pad thing that has to be in the house somewhere.

    I bitch enough that the gal gives me a "free" camera.

    So now I have two security services running at my house -- I never arm the Xfinity one but I do use the camera which is pretty well implemented. I have to feel grateful that they didn't make me unplug the ADT system.

    Somehow the monthly bill has creeped up on me. Now it's $225/month not including the occasional movie my wife buys. Instead of $40 less I was pitched I am now paying $40 more.

    That's my Comcast bitching for today. Thanks for listening.

  5. Much like Apple's business plan by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

    The plan: squeeze more money out of each diehard customer in a shrinking market. Obvious issue is, it makes the market shrink faster. One uncomfortable detail: the demographic of those diehard customers is increasingly on fixed income.

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  6. I can barely remember... by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    Wow. I can barely remember when I had cable (about 10 years ago), and my current house has never had cable service.
    What particularly got me to cut the cord was the excessive sports fees the cable companies were paying and passing on to the consumer. Since I do not watch sports and since some cable companies owned sports teams (i.e. Comcast) were collecting the fees they were charging, I simply opted out. Besides, the only time I had free time to watch TV was when most of the cable channels were broadcasting infomercial after infomercial, it was a "no brainer".

    1. Re:I can barely remember... by tepples · · Score: 1

      Without cable service, how do you connect to the Internet? Or did you choose your current house based on fiber availability? Or do you deal with cellular and its single digit GB per month of tethering?

    2. Re:I can barely remember... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Or do you deal with cellular and its single digit GB per month of tethering?

      It's not single-digit. VZ offers up to something like 18GB/mo (for $99/mo on a hotspot.) Still quite pathetic, though.

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  7. Whoa by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The Average Cable Bill Has Increased More Than 50 Percent Since 2010"

    Man, I'm glad I happened to be sitting down before I read that shocking headline.

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  8. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1, Informative

    Internet access is free at most public libraries. Some even keep a free wifi running 24/7. You'll claim this is too much of a burden for the poor, won't you?

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  9. Bye-Bye Comcast by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was paying right at $200/mo for Comcast XFinity. About half that was for 150Mbit (downstream) Internet with no data cap (that's extra, of course). The other half was for STANDARD DEFINITION basic cable.

    I'd happily have taken Google Fiber if it were available but AT&T GigaPower got here first. Now I have 1000Mbit down/800mbit up, HD cable channels (and many more than Comcast offered), three set-top boxes (only one with Comcast), and a DVR (none included with Comcast)...all for only $80/mo.

    Is it any wonder people are ditching traditional cable companies?

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  10. Cable companies are just passing on cost by Revek · · Score: 5, Informative

    You probably are not going to agree but I work for a small cable company and some media companies double their cost per sub every time contracts come up for renewal. Cable companies make almost nothing on video these days. The exception is Comcast. Comcast owns several networks and the HITS platform. As for the rest of us the profit margin is hair thin. If it wasn't for internet sales most small cable companies would have went out of business years ago. When I started working for this company they had twelve systems. Ten years later that number is three. one of the three is actually three towns tied together by fiber. The captive market doesn't allow for true negotiations, so expect more of the same in the future.

    1. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For one month of cable television, I can have a year's worth of Amazon Prime which includes a number of benefits, _including_ unlimited streaming video. Cable's days are numbered.

    2. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      For one month of cable television, I can have a year's worth of Amazon Prime which includes a number of benefits, _including_ unlimited streaming video. Cable's days are numbered.

      This.

      There's more than enough stuff on there to watch, from any genre you care to enjoy.

      So unless you simply MUST have the newest shows when they are first broadcast, I don't get why someone would pay a cable company every month what they could pay Amazon once a year.

    3. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by sabbede · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Then there is something wrong in the market. Cable companies should not be willing to accept and pass on the kind of cost increases you describe. They really shouldn't be in that position at all. What are the content companies charging cable companies for anyway? They make money off advertising or subscriptions, so the more homes their content goes to the more valuable their ad time. By all rights, they should be paying cable companies to bring their ads to our homes, not the other way around. Having your content run on cable TV means you don't need a nationwide network of broadcast towers to sell adds that run in all our homes, yet somehow their savings get passed on to us as increased cost? That's not right.

    4. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Then there is something wrong in the market.

      Yes, it's called lack of competition. The physical plant should be maintained by the municipality and the content and content management equipment should be owned by a plethora of providers.

      At this point the only reason to sell cable is that a lot of people want to watch the same content at the same time, so you can broadcast it to them. As that becomes less true, it will make less and less sense to do that, and more and more sense to do everything based on IP.

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    5. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by jdharm · · Score: 2

      Preach.

      We charge cost on content and our cable operations bill hasn't gone up in 20 years. We lose money on cable TV. The internet department is supporting itself and TV and has been for 10 years because the customers would never stand for the price increase if we passed on the rate hikes of the content providers and a little for ourselves. We've just been passing on the content costs, watching our operations margin shrink to nothing, then slip into the red as we lose ground to inflation.

    6. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by Revek · · Score: 1

      Cable isn't going anywhere, you have to get that stream from somewhere. To get all the same content you get from cable would require more than a single online streaming account. By the time you purchase all of that content, you will pay the same amount. Once again this is all the content providers playing profit games with the different streaming services. If you can live without all of the latest and greatest you will be okay with just a prime account. You will however have to learn to live with the lag on all of the popular shows.

    7. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by Revek · · Score: 2

      "Yes, it's called lack of competition. The physical plant should be maintained by the municipality and the content and content management equipment should be owned by a plethora of providers. "

      No, thats not what it is. That municipality will still have to charge for content and infrastructure. Our state has one city owned cable company and they still have all the same problems that the rest of us have and their rates are in line with ours. The problem is that the content providers are not required sell their product at a consistent rate. They charge smaller companies more for the same content. If you don't agree to pay the price you have to remove the channel. No other choice and negotiations really are just take it or leave it.

      "At this point the only reason to sell cable is that a lot of people want to watch the same content at the same time, so you can broadcast it to them. As that becomes less true, it will make less and less sense to do that, and more and more sense to do everything based on IP."

      It would make more sense if the majority of the USA wasn't 20 years behind the rest of the world. We looked into a IP based service called skitter. It looks good and would make video more profitably and allow customers to view content more in line with current consumer preferences. The problem with that is we would have to replace all of our set top and rf infrastructure to support it and that is something the smaller companies just can't do. We don't expect the government to give us any help either. They reserve that kind of help for larger companies and leave nothing for rural systems.

    8. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Then there is something wrong in the market. Cable companies should not be willing to accept and pass on the kind of cost increases you describe.

      The whole story smells like bullshit to me.

      The only way a cable company would feel screwed and like they had to pass on the costs is if there was a competitor carrying the channel, and there usually isn't. They could just drop it and move on with life. Sounds more like they are a monopoly and can charge their customers whatever, so it makes more sense to just skip negotiating down the cost and instead just pass it along to customers.

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    9. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by sabbede · · Score: 1
      There's a ton of BS involved, but it's normal for businesses to pass on increased costs to consumers. And I'm sure you've seen the commercials that content providers run when negotiations get heated - "[your cable company] is going to drop [our channels]! Call now and say you don't want to lose [our channels]!", so there must be a point for them where they dig in their heels, presumably because they know how much heat they'll take from their customers should they implement a commensurate increase in prices.

      I think there is something wrong with the fundamental relationships. Cable companies should not be paying broadcasters, broadcasters make their money from advertising, cable companies from subscriptions. Broadcasters make nothing if people don't see their content, cable companies make nothing if they don't have content. Any fees between cable and content should be nominal and related only to potential connection costs. I don't know why this isn't the case, but I suspect that ESPN and sports are the reason.

    10. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by sabbede · · Score: 1

      I agree that the lack of competition is at least a major factor, but I'm skeptical about the idea of fixing it by changing who the single provider is.

  11. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet, my internet only package is ~$100 / month. ( My router, my cable modem )
    What you pay differs VASTLY depending upon where you live and if any competition ( Fios, Google Fiber, AT&T Gigapower, etc ) exists in your neighborhood.

    If Google rolled in here tomorrow, Comcast would probably cut my bill in HALF just to keep everyone from jumping ship.

  12. If I could only completely cut the cord . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    . . . and not have to have Rectum as my ISP. Only other choice is Centrylink DSL. Would be nice to have some real competition, but since I'm in a rural area I imagine that it will stay that way in the foreseeable future. Doubtful that over-hyped 5G will actually give competition (doubtful that the major cell networks are even interested in building a 5G network here anytime soon.)

  13. Naturally it is because... by EzInKy · · Score: 2

    ...they give 50% better service.

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  14. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 2

    Bingo, me too. I'm too poor to get an iPhone, I've got a years old Android or two. I get internet ONLY (29Mb/6Mb), and then OTA for Tivo. Well, and then add in Roku, Fire and Plex, and HiDive. I also (accidentally) have Verizon unlimited* internet as a backup for the few times Comcast goes down.

    * the OLD actually-unlimited plan, with limited voice and text. Which is full speed unlimited data until 100GB DL, and then it switches to 0.0T since they drop you next month, so I hear. And if you heavily target a single site it's magically unreachable the next month but works fine elsewhere. It's amazing how sensitive the internet is.

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  15. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's next to nothing on television I want to watch. Internet service is adequate (and has been since my 2009 DSL line) for my tele-viewing needs.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^This this this

    I was browsing at a friend's place who has a cable package of a bazillion channels...I went through about 100 channels and found nothing, literally nothing worth watching or paying for.

    I have an Amazon Prime account, and between that and Youtube and PirateBay I don't see the need to buy cable. As Newton C. Minnow said waaaaaay back in 1961:

    "But when television is bad, nothing is worse. I invite each of you to sit down in front of your television set when your station goes on the air and stay there, for a day, without a book, without a magazine, without a newspaper, without a profit and loss sheet or a rating book to distract you. Keep your eyes glued to that set until the station signs off. I can assure you that what you will observe is a vast wasteland."

    And nothing has changed except the wasteland is far bigger. Yippee.

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  16. A tax on dumb by locater16 · · Score: 2

    At this point cable is just a tax on anyone too old, or too dumb to switch to streaming services.

  17. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by vidnet · · Score: 1

    What is it you get out of having a land line and cable TV that makes you put up with this? What do you use them for?

  18. Not my cable bill. by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My cable bill has decreased 100 percent in the same interval of time. I like it that way. Pink Floyd said it best: I’ve got thirteen channels of shit on the TV to choose from.

    That’s about how many I get over the air. But whenever I go somewhere where they have cable, I find that there’s a larger selection but it’s just as much shit as the dozen or so air channels I can pick up with rabbit ears. So why pay extra for... more shit?

    Thanks to ATSC, the channels I CAN pull down are pretty clear; although I never watch them. I just leave it hooked up there because I already own it and in case the shit hits the fan and I have no internet... in inclement weather, for example, I have the ability to watch news broadcasts. I don’t thinks I’m missing out on anything actually worth watching. Also, I have an extensive po...er... um... DVD collection.

    Otherwise, I just pay the 15 a month for HBO GO when they’re airing Game of Thrones, and leave it off the rest of the time.

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  19. Internet Only by KalvinB · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The issue is bundling. They want you to buy more and more services so of course the bill goes up.

    I have only internet service with the local cable provider. It's $90 a month for static IP and 25Mbit or so both ways. Years ago I was paying $70 a month for 256K both ways. Toss in Netflix and HBO NOW and it's over 100 a month for internet and TV.

    The only reason people still pay for cable TV is sports. If you don't care about sports, it's not hard to get your bills down. The only necessary service is an internet connection. Everything else is a luxury.

    1. Re:Internet Only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We have Mediacom "high speed" at 100Mbps. They will only sell it bundled with cable and phone, for $105/mo after fees and taxes. We're only getting the "basic" cable option. We don't use it at all, and we don't use the phone. If we only want Internet, we can't get the 100Mbps, and have to get a much slower line. I'm sure that the survey, if done correctly to account for people who are forced to get bundled cable just to be able to get Internet access, would show a FAR greater loss of cable subscribers.

    2. Re:Internet Only by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 1

      The only reason people still pay for cable TV is sports.

      You don't have to!

      https://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-tv-antennas,review-2354.html

      https://www.reddit.com/r/LiveTvLinks/comments/89krhr/sports/

  20. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by DanDD · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have an Amazon Prime account, and between that and Youtube and PirateBay I don't see the need to buy cable.

    ^^^^^ THIS :)

    I cancelled my cable TV subscription and discovered I have a WIFE!? We started talking more, playing board games, card games, and taking the dog for walks together.

    Damn, she's an interesting human. Fortunately I've realized what a soul-sucking waste of time television is before either one of us died of ennui.

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  21. Re: Stagflation by c6gunner · · Score: 2

    If you're counting a 1,000 channel cable package as "cost of living", you're kind of an idiot.

  22. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by shplopt · · Score: 1

    You must be a lot of fun at parties.

  23. Way to many by Evtim · · Score: 2

    Situation was not better with only 13 channels....

    I've got a little black book with my poems in
    Got a bag with a toothbrush and a comb in
    When I'm a good dog, they sometimes throw me a bone in

    I got elastic bands keepin' my shoes on
    Got those swollen-hand blues
    I got thirteen channels of shit on the T.V. to choose from
    I've got electric light
    And I've got second sight
    I got amazing powers of observation
    And that is how I know
    When I try to get through
    On the telephone to you
    There'll be nobody home

    I've got the obligatory Hendrix perm
    And the inevitable pinhole burns
    All down the front of my favorite satin shirt
    I've got nicotine stains on my fingers
    I've got a silver spoon on a chain
    Got a grand piano to prop up my mortal remains

    I've got wild staring eyes
    And I've got a strong urge to fly
    But I got nowhere to fly to
    Ooh, babe when I pick up the phone

    there's still nobody home

    I've got a pair of Gohills boots
    But I got fading roots

    Songwriters: Roger Waters

    Nobody Home lyrics © Warner/Chappell Music, Inc

  24. Re: How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by tepples · · Score: 2

    Drive 200 miles on icey roads to use library internet, what could be the problem with that?

    Don't live 200 miles away from books

    Pay tens of thousands of dollars for real estate near a library to use library internet, what could be the problem with that?

  25. Inconvenient hours by tepples · · Score: 2

    Many public library branches keep inconvenient hours. By the time you take the city bus from work to the library, it may have closed for the evening at 6 PM. Visit on a day off? The branch near me is closed Saturdays and Sundays from the weekend before Memorial Day until Labor Day. (Source: ACPL.info)

    1. Re:Inconvenient hours by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

      Many public library branches keep inconvenient hours. By the time you take the city bus from work to the library, it may have closed for the evening at 6 PM. Visit on a day off? The branch near me is closed Saturdays and Sundays from the weekend before Memorial Day until Labor Day. (Source: ACPL.info)

      There are easily 50 or more places within 10 (probably 5) miles of my home with free Internet access every day of the week. I'm at the point that I'm shocked if a restaurant doesn't have open WiFi. There's a WalMart down the road with free Internet. The grocery store has free WiFi. The church has free WiFi. McDonalds, Arby's, Taco Bell, Panera, Wendy's, Chick-Fil-A, Olive Garden, KFC, Starbuck's and dozens of other local restaurants have free WiFi. The indoor mall has free WiFi. The outdoor mall has free WiFi. Even my barbershop has free WiFi while you wait. I think I could find something if our local library branch was closed and it wouldn't take a 200 mile day trip or sitting around waiting for a bus to show up.

  26. Lifeline phone with no data by tepples · · Score: 2

    Assuming that "Obama phone" means a phone issued to Medicaid recipients under the Lifeline program, which began under President Reagan and was expanded to cellular under President Bush: A Lifeline cellular plan probably includes metered voice and text and 0 MB data.

  27. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by tepples · · Score: 2

    Many professional and collegiate sporting events and political news-and-opinion shows are exclusive to traditional multichannel pay TV (that is, cable and satellite). They are not available over-the-top on the Internet.

    In addition, many cable system operators offer only lower Internet access speeds (per second or per month) to Internet-only subscribers. Someone who doesn't watch TV but wants Internet access faster than a pittance of GB/mo must subscribe to TV that he or she doesn't watch in order to become eligible to extend the cap. Want business Internet? Better form an LLC and get your house re-zoned.

  28. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by tepples · · Score: 1

    Is leaving Comcast behind worth moving to a different state?

  29. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by nine-times · · Score: 3, Informative

    What made you think that was a proud proclamation? I read it as a complaint.

    It seems like nehumanuscrede is complaining that their internet-only plan is $100/month, and that it should be much lower, and would be much lower if there were any competition.

  30. Business Account by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    Do you not have a business account? Plenty of people have Internet-only business accounts for less than $225.

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  31. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We don't get cable TV along with it.

    The problem with just internet (I'm one of those with just internet), is that the cost to have just internet has quadrupled in price over the same time period too.

    I pay more for just internet than I paid for internet and cable back in 2010 (which is about when I cut out cable TV completely). If you're in an area with competition for broadband you have a little flexibility- for the majority of America living in cable monopolies- cost to get internet is ridiculously high for poor service.

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  32. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Funny

    ^^^^^ THIS :)

    I cancelled my cable TV subscription and discovered I have a WIFE!?

    The same thing happened to me. I'm considering getting a cable TV subscription again.

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    "That's the way to do it" - Punch
  33. The Average Cable Bill Has Increased by sudon't · · Score: 1

    It was a rip-off in 2010. Maybe it's because I grew up with the idea that, “Ok, TV is free, but you have to watch these commercials” that I could never bring myself to pay for cable TV. Like that frog in the pot on the stove, they slowly added commercials, then more commercials, and (apparently) increased the rates people paid at the same time. Now, people finally seem to be noticing that the water is boiling.

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  34. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Lousifer · · Score: 1

    It's funny how my cable Internet service went from $80 for ~10-15 megabit when it was a monopoly to $45 for 300 megabit within 2 weeks of AT&T laying fiber behind my house.

    Though they still try to get me to rent a cable modem from them, because the 'substandard' modem I own wouldn't handle the speed, when it's rated for ~400 Mbps

  35. Mine has effectively gone down by Burdell · · Score: 1

    According to the government's inflation calculator, $100 in January 2010 has the same buying power as $116.50 now - the amount I'm paying for cable has only increased a little more than that percentage (closer to 20%) in the same time. However, I get more channels, more in HD (and better quality HD), and have added premium channels to my subscription since that 2010 cost, so adjusting for inflation and service delivered, my cost has gone down.

    Of course, I have two cable companies available (I've switched since 2010), plus AT&T and Google Fiber's video services, so maybe there's something to this competition thing...

  36. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

    I have 1 T.V. hooked up to cable, and another with an antenna. We mostly watch Netflix on both T.V.s, and other then cartoons on the cable T.V. I prefer the programming on the antenna T.V.. Only like 30 channels, but I like the shows better.

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  37. Cable Internet seems to be a different story by SirMasterboy · · Score: 1

    At least my Cable Internet is about the same price or actually less than it was, but for significantly faster speeds.

    In 2010 I was paying TWC $65/mo for 15/1 mbit speed, and in 2013 was paying $85/mo for 30/5 mbit speed.

    Currently in 2018 I am now paying Spectrum (who of course bought TWC) $70/mo for 400/20 mbit service. They keep upgrading my speeds at no cost increase.

  38. My bill by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    My final Time-Spectrum bill was a whopping $200+! I chopped it in half by switching to Google Fiber with local channels only. Since then, I've added quite a few streaming services and it's STILL cheaper than Spectrum, and that's before cutting the locals, since Hulu Live gives me those.

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  39. Regional Sports Fee by clifwlkr · · Score: 1

    Was going through my bill the other day, and noticed the 'Regional Sports Fee'. $6 a month for something I never use as I don't watch sports. So I call the satellite provider and say, please drop all sports channels from my subscription, as I don't watch them and don't want to pay the fee. Surprise, they don't have any packages, except the very base one with almost no channels, that don't have the sports channels on them, so you have to pay the fee.

    They really need to get ala carte going or I am going to cancel it completely. I just want a few basic channels to record things off of for shows that I like and that does not include any of the expensive channels that they have. My time is limited, or I would probably explore getting all of this setup off of the internet with a DVR functionality, but it is purposefully difficult right now. They could keep me as a customer if they just had packages targeted at this. In fact they used to have an option where they dropped the sports but kept everything else (although they did not advertise it), but recently ended that as well.

    As it turned out, after complaining and threatening to cancel, low and behold they can suddenly give me $60 a month credit for the next year to get my bill inline with what I am willing to pay... I mean the satellite is already in the air, the equipment is in the house, the rest is gravy for them. Just offer choice of individual channels and I bet a lot of people would stay. Make a million pennies instead of a few dollars....

  40. Re:Life sucks for poor people in the US by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Poor people in the US get free healthcare.

    Sure, in some states. In others they only get free emergency care.

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  41. Re:Stagflation by TheSync · · Score: 1

    The only thing that hasn't been skyrocketing are wages.

    According to the BLS Employment Cost Index, September 2018:

    Compensation costs for civilian workers increased 0.8 percent, seasonally adjusted, for the 3-month period ending in September 2018...Wages and salaries (which make up about 70 percent of compensation costs) increased 0.9 percent and benefit costs (which make up the remaining 30 percent of compensation) increased 0.4 percent from June 2018.

  42. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

    Doesn't sound like you went through the OnDemand type service your friend has. I have every channel, between just the movie channels like FX, HBO, STARS, etc you're going to find something. Through TV it's got almost everything from the current season of any show, plus backlogs of tons especially on premium networks.

  43. Re: Stagflation by astrofurter · · Score: 1

    I include it as part of the "everything everywhere" that has been sharply rising in price for the last decade, while wages stayed stagnant.

  44. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

    I live in a trailer park, and lets just say quite a bit of cat5 cable runs from trailer to trailer.

    More communities need to be doing this. We're not networked with our neighbors; it's totally crazy and inefficient. If one person has downloaded something from a data center hundreds of miles away, the next person should be downloading it from next door, not the same long-distance, super-busy network.

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  45. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by tepples · · Score: 1

    Research YouTubeTV

    A couple days ago, YouTube TV's signup form told me YouTube TV is not available in my ZIP code.

    Hulu Live

    No C-SPAN, no The Weather Channel. My roommate watches Washington Journal on C-SPAN, and the live stream on C-SPAN's website is available only to authenticated subscribers to participating multichannel pay television providers.

    DirectTV Now

    The $40 per month plan lacks The Weather Channel, and I doubt the $55 per month plan would save anything compared to the difference between Internet only from Comcast and Internet plus TV from Comcast. In addition, the fade-in effect when switching among plans on its sign-up page annoys me, as it makes it more difficult to eyeball the difference among the plans.

    whatever the Playstation service is called

    It's called PlayStation Vue, and even its most expensive package doesn't have C-SPAN or The Weather Channel.Nor is my PlayStation console new enough to view it.

  46. Competing ISP such as an MVNO? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Comcast appears not to allow third parties to offer service over its last mile. Competing ISPs are MVNOs, which insist on limiting my household's Internet data transfer to a handful of gigabytes per month. A startup company seeking access to lay its own fiber over city rights of way would probably end up unable to satisfy an unreasonably rapid citywide buildout schedule. I'm aware that some cities require franchisees to build out the network over the whole city in order to ensure that the service reaches less affluent areas, but I'm under the impression that some cities have required this to happen sooner than a startup's capex budget permits as an anti-competitive means to circumvent the federal ban on exclusive cable franchises.

  47. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    And yet you're still paying the same company for your internet needs and the cost of Internet Access has been steadily increasing. Congratulations on eliminating one of the services you subscribe to....

  48. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    What's your phone bill again....but yeah watch streaming content on your phone :0

  49. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    THANK YOU!

    That's the fucking point: NO COMPETITION. You can drop tv all you want but you're getting internet from the same company who just jacks the rates on the internet service. We need competition. More companies providing the service.

  50. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm in the same boat. Cable + Internet = $120. Internet only = $94.99. I've been with DirecTV for a while - they had a come on offer of $19.99/month for 2 years. As that is coming to an end soon, I'm not sure what I'll do next. Spectrum is the only game in my town. Verizon DSL ends 2 miles from my house. The nearest home serviced by Comcast is the next town over.

  51. You didn't cut the cord... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    ..if you still get internet from them. You've just eliminate ONE service. And for many people that didn't save any money when you consider they've started subscribing to streaming services.

    Cutting the cord means CUTTING THE CORD. NO SERVICES AT ALL. Course that probable means you're on cellular (5G/LTE/6G) and they're loving you even more...

  52. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by DaFallus · · Score: 1

    I just cancelled my DirecTV service with AT&T. My initial 2 year contract ran out and my bill went up about $40. When I called asking for any other offers, of course nothing was available. When I called to cancel then all of the offers start coming out of the woodwork. Now I only have internet which costs me $70 (up from $60 when it was bundled) a month for 50 mbit down (highest speed they offer in my area) with a 1 TB limit (unlimited costs $30 more a month if you don't have TV service). I spent the past year configuring my network so that it is indifferent to the ISP supplying the connection and I'm now going to look into what deals are available from Comcast/Xfinity

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  53. Re:Life sucks for poor people in the US by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

    And a lot of times the free health care is with shit doctors for those far from major cities. Even with certain HMOs I'll bet you can't get into Sloan Kettering in NYC for instance.

  54. Cut the cord! by Socguy · · Score: 1

    I was a zombie cable customer for years.

    One day I turned on the TV and discovered the cable was out. It took a few days for the service team to arrive and they soon discovered that a grader had accidentally cut the cable when it was resurfacing the back alley. At that point I realized that no one had turned on the TV for over 2 months since that was when they were doing the work...

    I cancelled my cable immediately, bought a digital OTA antenna from best buy for $20 in order to get the local channels (Shockingly good picture quality BTW). I invested in a VPN subscription along with upgrading to an unlimited DSL internet package from a internet wholesaler and a Netflx account. I now watch anything I want, whenever I want including sports for about 70% less than the cost of cable. As an added bonus, by making the laptop the media center, it's far quicker and more responsive than the clunky cable interface ever was.

  55. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

    "Playing board games" WTF, get a freaking life.

    Pro Tip: Get a wife or girlfriend and maybe you won't be such a bitter cunt.

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  56. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Doesn't sound like you went through the OnDemand type service your friend has. I have every channel, between just the movie channels like FX, HBO, STARS, etc you're going to find something. Through TV it's got almost everything from the current season of any show, plus backlogs of tons especially on premium networks.

    I appreciate the suggestion, but my goal in life isn't to watch more TV.

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  57. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by corydoras · · Score: 1

    Worst case, there's public libraries.

    When I lived in a semi-rural town, our cable ISP offered a 3mbit down / 1mbit up plan for $15/month and it was great. Now that I live in a very rural town, the cheapest DSL plan is $70/month, and it's a problem.

    The people saying that they don't add a television plan don't understand what being poor means. That's like finding magical money by not buying $6 coffees.

  58. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by DanDD · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yeah, lately it's been Catan, which isn't very good for just 2 players, but we get lots of practice in order to decimate our children and their significant others for when we all visit during the holidays. The kids don't watch much television either as they are rather active and socially well adjusted, and always rather busy.

    On one recent game I played nothing but development cards and the robber, and won handily. The wife was so pissed I damn near had to leave the house for a while, and the dog was traumatized. That was a good game, for me :)

    Our big family games usually descent into winners vs losers arm wrestling matches, pull-up competitions with taunting and talking smack, lots of dead-arm shoulder punching, and obligatory shots of tequila. The bruising usually fades by Easter.

    Your idea of board games must be the kind that pacifists play, where everyone is happy, there's no strife, taunting, or name calling. Either way, sitting face to face with other humans is something that I suspect you haven't had enough of, based on your response. Try it, it might mellow out your temperament a bit. I'd invite you over, but I'm afraid you'd just get injured.

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  59. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by pnutjam · · Score: 1

    You must be in a one service area. I could switch to at&t symmetrical GB for $100 /month, or 100/100 for $80. I'm sticking with comcast because the gave me a decent deal for $140 and their television (x1) is way better then uverse. I've been real happy with it.

  60. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by DanDD · · Score: 1

    You win the internet for the day, perfect response :) I'm going to use variations on that when I explain to visiting relatives why we have no TV service. She's gonna hurt me.

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  61. Phone company by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    My internet comes from the phone company. Ironically, there is no phone line because I use voip and cell for phone service.
    Now, I wish I had a choice of internet providers.

  62. Re:Life sucks for poor people in the US by MightyYar · · Score: 1

    What do you want? It's free.

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  63. Re:Life sucks for poor people in the US by MightyYar · · Score: 1

    What state doesn't offer Medicaid?

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  64. Re:Life sucks for poor people in the US by MightyYar · · Score: 1

    That's what "poor" means.

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  65. Buy DSL, get phone line free by tepples · · Score: 1

    My internet comes from the phone company. Ironically, there is no phone line

    So your phone company isn't selling you DSL and giving you a POTS line that you don't use at no extra charge? Because that's what some phone companies do, and it'd be analogous to what some cable companies do with their bundle structures.

    1. Re:Buy DSL, get phone line free by mschaffer · · Score: 1

      I live in a new development and the phone company only has provisions for fiber. (Not aware of any homes that have POTS). All houses have two sets of underground conduit---one that goes to the phone company equipment, and the other to the cable company equipment. If you want a phone service you can get it from the phone company or the cable company (at least one home in the development uses a VOIP service from the cable company).

    2. Re:Buy DSL, get phone line free by tepples · · Score: 1

      Availability of naked DSL doesn't necessarily imply that the phone company charges customers less for naked DSL than for DSL bundled with a POTS line.

  66. Downloading by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Might as well download folks, you're paying for it anyway.

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  67. Going out with a bang by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    The cable companies see the end coming. Already everybody who is savvy enough to cut the cord, has done so, or is thinking about doing so. The rest will pay whatever the cable companies demand. It's in their financial interest to raise prices! Where are they going to go?

    It's kind of like old-style telephone service. Only older people still have it, and they pay through the nose for it. But these older people have no idea how to set up or use a VOIP service, so they are stuck.

  68. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    The fact you mentioned Piratebay means you steal for part of your content watching, so no, you're not proving anything here.

    Actually, PirateBay has a lot of perfectly legal stuff.

    Shame on you for assuming that I'm "stealing" anything.

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  69. Re: How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Yes, but if you have cable/satellite, it comes with a DVR, so at any time you have the last X days worth of shows you like from 100 channels.

    So there's 100 days of more craptastic junk that I didn't want to watch then and (still) don't want to watch now. How is that better?

    Most of the time, I find it much easier to push 3 buttons on my remote

    Most of the time I find it much easier to go outside or visit friends or have fun in my workshop or spend time with my wife and family.

    Enjoy your remote; I'm sure the two of you will have many rewarding hours together.

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  70. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by toddestan · · Score: 1

    Those deals are always the same, they get you to sign up for an extra service by offering an introductory rate that's cheaper than what you'd pay without that service. But once they got you suckered in they jack rates right up. It's always better in the long run to only sign up for what you actually want*. And don't believe what the salesweasel tells you about how the bundle will be cheaper - they are lying.

    Though I'd just drop Comcast if you can. I'm glad I can get decent naked DSL through the phone company here - that's all I need.

    * Or call them up every once and a while and threaten to cancel, they'll usually offer you a deal to stay