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Facebook Employees Are So Paranoid They're Using Burner Phones To Talk To Each Other (nymag.com)

Facebook's reputation has only continued to get more sullied in recent weeks, and it's taking a toll on employees. According to a new report, things over at the old FB are, well, kind of grim. From the report: "People now have burner phones to talk shit about the company -- not even to reporters, just to other employees," one former employee said. Another described the current scene as a "bunker mentality," meaning that after nearly two years of continuous bad press some people are, to borrow a phrase, leaning in as hard as they can to cope. "It's otherwise rational, sane people who're in Mark's orbit spouting full-blown anti-media rhetoric, saying that the press is ganging up on Facebook," said the former employee. Further reading: Facebook Employees Are Calling Former Colleagues To Look For Jobs Outside the Company and Asking About the Best Way To Leave.

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  1. Paranoia? by PingSpike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're not paranoid if they're actually after you.

    1. Re:Paranoia? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The way you wrote it, if someone is after you then it negates your paranoia.

      The actual quote is:
      "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you." — Joseph Heller

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    2. Re:Paranoia? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      The actual quote is: "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you." â" Joseph Heller

      They way I heard it...

      "When everyone is out to get you,

      Paranoid is just........good thinking!!"

      - Dr. Johnny Fever (WKRP)

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    3. Re:Paranoia? by RhettLivingston · · Score: 2

      This situation is a deeper example of what that usually implies. It is more than a case of just seeing those that are after you and knowing they are there. Having been a part of the conspiracy, these people know what they are up against.

      Their use of a burner may very well be driven by knowledge of the systems and tactics they've been involved in creating. That makes finding that they are using burners a confirmation of sorts of our fears of what those systems are capable of and have actually been used for.

  2. Re:Gilets jaunes by Tailhook · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Russian trolls

    Yeah, it couldn't be just working people that don't like energy poverty. It's mindless Frenchmen doing the bidding of Russian trolls on Facebook.

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  3. Glassdoor by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Glassdoor just updated their best companies to work for list and Facebook is in the top 10 based on employee feedback. Methinks someone is lying to Glassdoor about their experience at Facebook.

    1. Re:Glassdoor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Alternatively, maybe journalists really are full of shit?

    2. Re:Glassdoor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow! Free dry cleaning and gym! that's about a $20 month value!!

      Pros

              "Great work-life balance (this depends on teams)" (in 100 reviews)

              "Amazing benefits for Full Time Employees including free food, stipends for gym memberships & free dry cleaning" (in 266 reviews)

      Cons

              "Some teams have poor work life balance" (in 292 reviews)

              "It's easy to end up working long hours" (in 67 reviews)

    3. Re:Glassdoor by slaughts · · Score: 2

      I have to agree. Maybe I am just becoming jaded in my later years, but when I see any 'Best Companies to Work For' list, I just assume it is the list of companies that gave the most money to the author/organization that published the list...

    4. Re:Glassdoor by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Alternatively, maybe journalists really are full of shit?

      Journolist, Gamejournopro's, and so on proves that collusion is true. Being full of shit and pushing an agenda is older then the Spanish-American war.

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  4. Re:Gilets jaunes by stealth_finger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Russian trolls

    Yeah, it couldn't be just working people that don't like energy poverty. It's mindless Frenchmen doing the bidding of Russian trolls on Facebook.

    Are you trying to say people don't like it when tax breaks for the rich get loaded onto the everyman? Nah, it's gotta be them Russians.

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  5. Re: Gilets jaunes by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering the ammount of damage, targetted destruction, and graffiti left behind, it has absolutely nothing to do with labour, or taxation.

    Anarchists, extremists, and just plain old fashioned assholes always attach themselves to large protests because it gives them an excuse to break shit.

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  6. How would anyone know? by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since the point of using a burner phone is not to let people know, how would anyone credibly be able to assess the widespread use of burner phones?

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    1. Re:How would anyone know? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

      Since the point of using a burner phone is not to let people know, how would anyone credibly be able to assess the widespread use of burner phones?

      Simple. Just load the Facebook app on the burner phones and ... Oh, wait.

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    2. Re:How would anyone know? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2

      Since the point of using a burner phone is not to let people know, how would anyone credibly be able to assess the widespread use of burner phones?

      By asking them? This isn't a physics experiment, it's an employee saying, "A bunch of coworkers told me they do this."

  7. Both by Kohath · · Score: 5, Informative

    The media is being unfair to Facebook.

    Also, Facebook is terrible and Facebook has taken a very long series of actions that are arrogant and insular. Facebook keeps making big mistakes and Facebook shows no signs of changing what matters.

    It's not clear that Facebook even could change its most basic problems:
    - it encourages emotional unhealthiness
    - its business model is exploitative of Facebook users
    - and therefore Facebook is a magnet for trolls who want to exploit users
    - we don’t trust Facebook
    - we don't want to hear our friends parrot shit they saw on the news (because all it tells us is that our friends haven't learned that the news media is trolling them)

    1. Re:Both by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The media is being unfair to Facebook.

      I have followed media coverage of Facebook closely, and so far I have not read anything unfair. Facebook has continuously abused its position, and shows no sign that it even understands the complaints levied at it at a fundamental level. The battering it is getting currently in the press has been a long time coming, and is doing a lot of good to bring the problems to a wider audience who will hopefully take note and start considering their use of the platform more carefully.

  8. Re:Gilets jaunes by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Interesting

    STILL with the "blame the foreigners" narrative? Jesus, it's amazing how useful that is to brush aside the real concerns of working class people. No, nobody can possibly be getting screwed by the system that was set up to screw people, it's gotta be those dirty foreigners who are doing this to us.

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  9. They know better than we do by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We should take a huge hint from them. They know what goes on behind the scenes. Everything you say is archived - not because it's bad today. No, it will be stored and used against you later. It's a weapon. A new kind of weapon, and the Facebook employees know exactly what it's capable of. They're not being paranoid. Paranoia is an irrational fear.

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  10. Maybe there’s something to that idea by toppingtop · · Score: 2

    Employees also referenced Dara Khosrowshahi, the current CEO of Uber who was brought in to take over for Travis Kalanick and clean up his mess. The suggestion here is that bringing in somebody new, somebody who isn’t Mark Zuckerberg or Sheryl Sandberg, could help fix Facebook. This, of course, seems highly unlikely and, as loyalty to leadership at Facebook runs deep.

  11. Just walk away by sdinfoserv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Jeez people, if a job is that bad, leave. Staying is just as much a choice as leaving. I've left jobs I hated and taken pay cuts and never looked back. Peace of mind has a definite value. Surprise ending: if you really enjoy what your doing, you'll be good and make more in the end.

  12. Re:Gilets jaunes by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These arent tax breaks targeted at the rich. These are taxes targeted at the rural and suburban populations.

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  14. Re: Gilets jaunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's less contrary and more corollary.

  15. Re: Gilets jaunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Considering the ammount of damage, targetted destruction, and graffiti left behind, it has absolutely nothing to do with labour, or taxation.

    Anarchists, extremists, and just plain old fashioned assholes always attach themselves to large protests because it gives them an excuse to break shit.

    They didn't do that with the tea party protests. Why's that?

  16. The press -is- ganging up on Facebook by timholman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "It's otherwise rational, sane people who're in Mark's orbit spouting full-blown anti-media rhetoric, saying that the press is ganging up on Facebook," said the former employee.

    In a very real sense, that is true. The media have been in a continuous uproar since the 2016 Presidential election and the Brexit vote, because the "wrong side" won, and Facebook is a very convenient target for part of the blame. It's not as if Facebook's business model was any different before 2016; the company has always had slimy business practices. The media simply gave Facebook a free pass up to that point.

    It must be enormously frustrating to Zuckerberg and Sandberg to fight this battle, because their political leanings are no doubt on the progressive side, and Facebook fundamentally did nothing different in 2016 than it did in 2012. They can't comprehend why they're suddenly the bad guys. It's just that in the modern world of social media (which they helped to create), when the mob goes hunting for witches, someone has to be thrown on the pyre.

    1. Re:The press -is- ganging up on Facebook by Tailhook · · Score: 2

      The media simply gave Facebook a free pass up to that point.

      If only. Facebook was a media darling many times. When Musk was threatening to fire anyone that dared cross out Black Lives Matter on the "signature wall" there was no end of praise for the oh so virtuous Facebook. When Facebook was grooming supposedly "conservative" stories out of their news feed an amazing phenomena occurred: a groundswell of admiration for corporate sovereignty and the sanctity of private prerogatives.

      Zuckerberg could do himself a lot of good by ginning up more SJW red meat. Go on a anti-"hate" jihad and accelerate banning "racists." Someone "deadnames" a celebrity? (Barry for Obama, Bruce for Caitlyn, etc.) Ban them; that's hostility and they need to go! Show us your virtue! Do it with great fanfare and get all your pink and purple hairs wet for you again. Hell, at least tweet more mean things about Trump. What is so hard about that? Block Russia. Announce your love of democracy and what measures you're taking to "save" it from Russian democracy wreckers. Block the whole damn country in the name of democracy.

      There are so many things he could do to help get these media people off his back...

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    2. Re:The press -is- ganging up on Facebook by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I see it more as a case of yes you are right, FB has been doing things this way a while. Nothing new. But now some lights have been shined on their behavior and the unacceptable parts of it are on display.

      The attention is not because suddenly they are doing worse things. It's because suddenly people are paying attention.

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    3. Re:The press -is- ganging up on Facebook by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I guess I have a harder time getting into full on tinfoil hat mode over it.

      I think the public had a building irritation with FB's policies.
      It boiled over when the recent issues since the election started to surface
      Media companies see people clicking on FB stories because if pre-existing irritation
      Media companies make money.

      I find that far more likely than an over arching conspiracy

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  17. Re:Gilets jaunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Russian trolls" is the new online "Racist!" It's a meaningless term that is used to indicate that the person doesn't agree with you.

    Once upon a time, the words had a real meaning, but in this age, I literally can't.

  18. Re:The Left by TWX · · Score: 2

    This situation must be reminiscent of living in communist countries.

    Enjoy!

    Just so we understand each other, you're saying that the paranoia among employees in literally one of the largest Capitalist companies in the world is like living in a Communist country?

    You do realize this sullies Capitalism even more than it does Communism, right? This implies that the power of the Corporation is so great that it rivals or even exceeds that of the nation-state...

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  19. Re:Gilets jaunes by Kohath · · Score: 3, Funny

    Russians weigh the same as a duck

  20. Re:Press is not ganging up on facebook... by Shotgun · · Score: 2

    Funny that they were doing the entirely stupid and irresponsible things for years, but they didn't get any attention for it until the Cambridge Analytics "scandal". As soon as the media found out Facebook data was used by the orange man and not just the black man, they went insane...and the insanity hasn't stopped.

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  21. Facebook app by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

    When you choose your burner, be very careful it doesn't have the Facebook app preinstalled.

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