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Facebook Employees Are So Paranoid They're Using Burner Phones To Talk To Each Other (nymag.com)

Facebook's reputation has only continued to get more sullied in recent weeks, and it's taking a toll on employees. According to a new report, things over at the old FB are, well, kind of grim. From the report: "People now have burner phones to talk shit about the company -- not even to reporters, just to other employees," one former employee said. Another described the current scene as a "bunker mentality," meaning that after nearly two years of continuous bad press some people are, to borrow a phrase, leaning in as hard as they can to cope. "It's otherwise rational, sane people who're in Mark's orbit spouting full-blown anti-media rhetoric, saying that the press is ganging up on Facebook," said the former employee. Further reading: Facebook Employees Are Calling Former Colleagues To Look For Jobs Outside the Company and Asking About the Best Way To Leave.

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  1. Paranoia? by PingSpike · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're not paranoid if they're actually after you.

    1. Re:Paranoia? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The way you wrote it, if someone is after you then it negates your paranoia.

      The actual quote is:
      "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you." — Joseph Heller

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    2. Re:Paranoia? by piojo · · Score: 1

      Does that actually negate the GP's point? Symptoms of paranoia aren't really indicative of paranoia if there is a demonstrable threat or attack. Joseph Heller was not writing as a doctor or serious philosopher.

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    3. Re:Paranoia? by novakyu · · Score: 1

      I think it's a matter of cause-and-effect. If you act paranoid because someone is after you, you don't actually have paranoia. However, someone who does have clinical paranoia could have someone who is going after them (further reading: fallacy fallacy).

    4. Re:Paranoia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
      Zuck: Just ask
      Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
      [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?
      Zuck: People just submitted it.
      Zuck: I don't know why.
      Zuck: They "trust me"
      Zuck: Dumb fucks

    5. Re:Paranoia? by asylumx · · Score: 1

      Yes. The fact someone is after you does not affirm nor refute the fact you are paranoid. They are independent facts! Therefore, the original point is not accurate, because it implies a relationship that does not exist.

    6. Re:Paranoia? by shanen · · Score: 1

      I prefer the form "Even paranoids have real enemies."

      However I think this best summarizes my excessively mixed attitude towards Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/group... (The owner of the group should change the group number (default) to something like "FacebookHatersUsingFacebook".)

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    7. Re:Paranoia? by Falos · · Score: 1

      The only difference between paranoia and prudence is popularity.

      That's just my interpretation though, in catchy sound bite form.

    8. Re:Paranoia? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      The actual quote is: "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you." â" Joseph Heller

      They way I heard it...

      "When everyone is out to get you,

      Paranoid is just........good thinking!!"

      - Dr. Johnny Fever (WKRP)

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    9. Re:Paranoia? by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      Yes. The fact someone is after you does not affirm nor refute the fact you are paranoid. They are independent facts! Therefore, the original point is not accurate, because it implies a relationship that does not exist.

      They're dependent facts, and the relationship does exist by definition.

      When someone is "after you" it is no longer a delusion, and also not necessarily excessive or irrational to distrust them.

    10. Re:Paranoia? by RhettLivingston · · Score: 2

      This situation is a deeper example of what that usually implies. It is more than a case of just seeing those that are after you and knowing they are there. Having been a part of the conspiracy, these people know what they are up against.

      Their use of a burner may very well be driven by knowledge of the systems and tactics they've been involved in creating. That makes finding that they are using burners a confirmation of sorts of our fears of what those systems are capable of and have actually been used for.

    11. Re:Paranoia? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      There's also this gem:

      "Of course I'm paranoid, everyone's trying to kill me!" - Weyoun (Star Trek: Deep Space 9)

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    12. Re:Paranoia? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      When someone is "after you" it is no longer a delusion...

      You're assuming that the paranoid person has valid evidence that someone is after them. In that case, yes, it isn't a paranoid delusion, it's a logical conclusion. "Has paranoid delusions" and "someone is after them" can be independent facts, i.e. the paranoid person has no specific evidence about the person that's after them.

    13. Re:Paranoia? by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      You're assuming that the paranoid person has valid evidence that someone is after them.

      Upthread: "Does that actually negate the GP's point? Symptoms of paranoia aren't really indicative of paranoia if there is a demonstrable threat or attack."

      "Has paranoid delusions" and "someone is after them" can be independent facts

      Upthread: "They are independent facts!"

      Can be != are.

      I'm not going to repeat every premise in the thread simply because people cannot be bothered to read for context.

    14. Re:Paranoia? by sfcat · · Score: 1

      This situation is a deeper example of what that usually implies. It is more than a case of just seeing those that are after you and knowing they are there. Having been a part of the conspiracy, these people know what they are up against.

      Their use of a burner may very well be driven by knowledge of the systems and tactics they've been involved in creating. That makes finding that they are using burners a confirmation of sorts of our fears of what those systems are capable of and have actually been used for.

      Posting to undo a mistake in moderating against this post...

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  2. Re:Gilets jaunes by Tailhook · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Russian trolls

    Yeah, it couldn't be just working people that don't like energy poverty. It's mindless Frenchmen doing the bidding of Russian trolls on Facebook.

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  3. Glassdoor by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Glassdoor just updated their best companies to work for list and Facebook is in the top 10 based on employee feedback. Methinks someone is lying to Glassdoor about their experience at Facebook.

    1. Re:Glassdoor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Alternatively, maybe journalists really are full of shit?

    2. Re:Glassdoor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow! Free dry cleaning and gym! that's about a $20 month value!!

      Pros

              "Great work-life balance (this depends on teams)" (in 100 reviews)

              "Amazing benefits for Full Time Employees including free food, stipends for gym memberships & free dry cleaning" (in 266 reviews)

      Cons

              "Some teams have poor work life balance" (in 292 reviews)

              "It's easy to end up working long hours" (in 67 reviews)

    3. Re:Glassdoor by slaughts · · Score: 2

      I have to agree. Maybe I am just becoming jaded in my later years, but when I see any 'Best Companies to Work For' list, I just assume it is the list of companies that gave the most money to the author/organization that published the list...

    4. Re:Glassdoor by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      I'd lay odds that the folks at facebook had posters and memos up telling employees to make them look good to glassdoor. I have worked for several companies that have asked their employees to "vote for us" for one industry bullshit award or another.

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    5. Re:Glassdoor by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Glassdoor just updated their best companies to work for list and Facebook is in the top 10 based on employee feedback. Methinks someone is lying to Glassdoor about their experience at Facebook.

      That depends, can you tell who said what?

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    6. Re:Glassdoor by quintus_horatius · · Score: 1

      Both statements can be true, it all depends on where in the company you work.

      TFS makes it sounds like the article is about executives and managers, but that won't represent everyone in the company.

    7. Re:Glassdoor by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Alternatively, maybe journalists really are full of shit?

      Journolist, Gamejournopro's, and so on proves that collusion is true. Being full of shit and pushing an agenda is older then the Spanish-American war.

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    8. Re:Glassdoor by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      I filled out an "anonymous" review of my company for Glassdoor. The information they tied to the review meant that I was the only person in the company who could have created the review. Fortunately, I like my employer so my review was positive.

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    9. Re:Glassdoor by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      If you worked for Facebook, the world's second largest spy agency, would you post on a web site that Facebook sucks?

    10. Re:Glassdoor by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Or maybe Facebook just contributes enough to Glassdoor.

  4. Re:Gilets jaunes by stealth_finger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Russian trolls

    Yeah, it couldn't be just working people that don't like energy poverty. It's mindless Frenchmen doing the bidding of Russian trolls on Facebook.

    Are you trying to say people don't like it when tax breaks for the rich get loaded onto the everyman? Nah, it's gotta be them Russians.

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  5. CENSORED by Ragnarok89 · · Score: 1
    I think that...

    shit, they might be reading this...

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    1. Re:CENSORED by Red_Forman · · Score: 1

      I agree with 4.84% of your comment. In order to comply with the new Australian laws, this comment was encoded with ROT26.

  6. Re: Gilets jaunes by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Considering the ammount of damage, targetted destruction, and graffiti left behind, it has absolutely nothing to do with labour, or taxation.

    Anarchists, extremists, and just plain old fashioned assholes always attach themselves to large protests because it gives them an excuse to break shit.

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  7. How would anyone know? by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since the point of using a burner phone is not to let people know, how would anyone credibly be able to assess the widespread use of burner phones?

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    1. Re:How would anyone know? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

      Since the point of using a burner phone is not to let people know, how would anyone credibly be able to assess the widespread use of burner phones?

      Simple. Just load the Facebook app on the burner phones and ... Oh, wait.

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    2. Re:How would anyone know? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 2

      Since the point of using a burner phone is not to let people know, how would anyone credibly be able to assess the widespread use of burner phones?

      By asking them? This isn't a physics experiment, it's an employee saying, "A bunch of coworkers told me they do this."

    3. Re:How would anyone know? by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      ...how would anyone credibly be able to assess the widespread use of burner phones?

      By a sudden increase in the quantity of cheap phones discovered in the garbage cans at FaceBook?

    4. Re:How would anyone know? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      how would anyone credibly be able to assess the widespread use of burner phones?

      Be a Facebook employee. Have eyes and ears.

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    5. Re:How would anyone know? by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Since the point of using a burner phone is not to let people know, how would anyone credibly be able to assess the widespread use of burner phones?

      By asking them? This isn't a physics experiment, it's an employee saying, "A bunch of coworkers told me they do this."

      First, assume a spherical burner phone.

  8. Best Way To Leave? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Sorry, you don't ever leave Facebook...

    There's no way out of here
    When you come in
    You're in for good...

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  9. People don't talk face to face anymore? by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

    Summary makes it sound like they only talk to each other on phones...

    1. Re:People don't talk face to face anymore? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      At least some Facebook employees are convinced that Facebook spies on ambient sound using smartphone microphones, so they don't trust face to face either.

  10. Both by Kohath · · Score: 5, Informative

    The media is being unfair to Facebook.

    Also, Facebook is terrible and Facebook has taken a very long series of actions that are arrogant and insular. Facebook keeps making big mistakes and Facebook shows no signs of changing what matters.

    It's not clear that Facebook even could change its most basic problems:
    - it encourages emotional unhealthiness
    - its business model is exploitative of Facebook users
    - and therefore Facebook is a magnet for trolls who want to exploit users
    - we don’t trust Facebook
    - we don't want to hear our friends parrot shit they saw on the news (because all it tells us is that our friends haven't learned that the news media is trolling them)

    1. Re:Both by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      The media is being unfair to Facebook.

      According to a certain political party, facebook IS the media now.

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      "His name was James Damore."
    2. Re:Both by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The media is being unfair to Facebook.

      I have followed media coverage of Facebook closely, and so far I have not read anything unfair. Facebook has continuously abused its position, and shows no sign that it even understands the complaints levied at it at a fundamental level. The battering it is getting currently in the press has been a long time coming, and is doing a lot of good to bring the problems to a wider audience who will hopefully take note and start considering their use of the platform more carefully.

    3. Re:Both by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Yet Facebook is completely voluntary service to use. Someone makes a choice to use facebook. You don't have to use Facebook. So its a retarded argument you are making.

      Lots of transactions start out as voluntary and end up being exploitive. Are you saying you don't understand that?

    4. Re:Both by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Not when you agree to a contract or terms of service. Which every user of Facebook does.

      So you are saying you don't understand.

    5. Re:Both by Kohath · · Score: 1

      It's fucking voluntary you don't have to use it. If you being abused get the fuck out. What don't you understand!

      And what about all the time between when they start exploiting you and when you finally find out about it and leave?

    6. Re:Both by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      You know what else is voluntary? A background check for applying for a job or airport TSA scanning. You most likely won't get the job, and for the TSA get felt up by the TSA at best.

    7. Re:Both by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Facebook maintain shadow profiles of people that aren't users. Those people didn't choose to use Facebook but are still fucked over by it.

      But that's fine, you go ahead and claim other people are making retarded arguments. I'll let self awareness reach you organically, I'm sure it'll get there eventually.

  11. Re:Gilets jaunes by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Interesting

    STILL with the "blame the foreigners" narrative? Jesus, it's amazing how useful that is to brush aside the real concerns of working class people. No, nobody can possibly be getting screwed by the system that was set up to screw people, it's gotta be those dirty foreigners who are doing this to us.

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  12. s'app? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    If they were really paranoid, couldn't they just use Whatsapp? I hear that's secure.

    Oh wait...

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    1. Re:s'app? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      They're not trying to protect the info from the government. Just from a phone that has FB installed. Just gives you an indication of how hard it is to get the spying to stop, how deep they look at calls and SMS messages and GPS, etc.

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    2. Re:s'app? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      They're not trying to protect the info from the government. Just from a phone that has FB installed. Just gives you an indication of how hard it is to get the spying to stop, how deep they look at calls and SMS messages and GPS, etc.

      Whatsapp is owned by Facebook.

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    3. Re:s'app? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I know that. My point was they're not even using non-FB owned apps (e.g. Snapchat, Signal) to communicate. Because even using the same phone is giving FB too much information.

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  13. They know better than we do by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We should take a huge hint from them. They know what goes on behind the scenes. Everything you say is archived - not because it's bad today. No, it will be stored and used against you later. It's a weapon. A new kind of weapon, and the Facebook employees know exactly what it's capable of. They're not being paranoid. Paranoia is an irrational fear.

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    1. Re:They know better than we do by asylumx · · Score: 1

      it will be stored and used against you later.

      Paranoia is an irrational fear.

      Can you please provide the evidence for the first statement that proves it is rational? Specifically, where Facebook stored data for the specific purpose of using it against someone later, and have proven that mal-intent by actually using it against someone later.

      It's not that there isn't possibly some justification for a rational fear in all this, but you're stating that they are storing it with the explicit reason of using it against their users in the future and while it's easy to see a case where they could use it against their users in the future but your paranoia comes in when you assume they will do it and you have provided no reason for the assumption.

    2. Re:They know better than we do by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Oh, come on. That's just tro... oh.
      https://metro.co.uk/2018/09/21...

  14. Press is not ganging up on facebook... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    ... "It's otherwise rational, sane people who're in Mark's orbit spouting full-blown anti-media rhetoric, saying that the press is ganging up on Facebook, ...

    If facebook had not done the entirely stupid and irresponsible things that it looks as if they have done, I doubt if the press would be reporting about the deeds of facebook. Those people mentioned as being in Mark's orbit need to look at themselves for the cause of all the press attention.

    1. Re:Press is not ganging up on facebook... by Shotgun · · Score: 2

      Funny that they were doing the entirely stupid and irresponsible things for years, but they didn't get any attention for it until the Cambridge Analytics "scandal". As soon as the media found out Facebook data was used by the orange man and not just the black man, they went insane...and the insanity hasn't stopped.

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  15. BookFace has enough money by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    to set up Stingray interceptors within their corporate sites, if people want to get any more paranoid. You know, in the interests of national security...

  16. Re: Gilets jaunes by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    You're still logged in to your account. You forgot to post anonymously as you're spamming the comment thread with the same post. See here: https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

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  17. Maybe there’s something to that idea by toppingtop · · Score: 2

    Employees also referenced Dara Khosrowshahi, the current CEO of Uber who was brought in to take over for Travis Kalanick and clean up his mess. The suggestion here is that bringing in somebody new, somebody who isn’t Mark Zuckerberg or Sheryl Sandberg, could help fix Facebook. This, of course, seems highly unlikely and, as loyalty to leadership at Facebook runs deep.

  18. Re: Gilets jaunes by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1, Troll

    Media likes to stir the pot every bit as much as the Russians, and probably conspire (or at least are complicit) with the Russians to stir the shit for ratings. Pretending only one side benefits is why this shit isn't going to end any time soon.

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  19. Just walk away by sdinfoserv · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Jeez people, if a job is that bad, leave. Staying is just as much a choice as leaving. I've left jobs I hated and taken pay cuts and never looked back. Peace of mind has a definite value. Surprise ending: if you really enjoy what your doing, you'll be good and make more in the end.

    1. Re:Just walk away by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 1

      Step back and visualize the cyclic filtering nature of it.

      1) N employees join an organization.
      2) Organization is bad in some way.
      3) Strong willed, hireable types leave.
      4) Repeat until only those afraid to leave are left

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    2. Re:Just walk away by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      What happened to:

      5)??
      6)Profit

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    3. Re:Just walk away by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Most people spend nearly every penny they make and can't afford a pay cut.

      While earning the sort of money Facebook pays? Fuck them then, they should've planned better and lived within their means.

  20. Re:Why can't they just use Facebook? ... oh yeah : by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

    Delete your facebook.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  21. One or the other by magarity · · Score: 1

    "loyalty to leadership at Facebook runs deep" vs "People now have burner phones to talk shit about the company"

    Which is it???

  22. Re:Gilets jaunes by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    These arent tax breaks targeted at the rich. These are taxes targeted at the rural and suburban populations.

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  24. Re: Gilets jaunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's less contrary and more corollary.

  25. Here's why I still use Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I can message any friend I have with ease.

    I can follow events at establishment that I enjoy if they are smart enough to actually use the Facebook event mechanism. Some put posts up saying they have an event but no actual event.

    My friends see events I might attend and occasionally ask me if I'm going. So it helps me have actual face to face time with friends.

    The event recommendations are actually decent. Their algorithm tens to see that you like ABC and other similar events (like ABC) appear in your feed.

    People/companies that know how to use the invite system make events and send me invites. The invites are not obtrusive at all.

    Facebook. Start monetizing the event system! And frankly, you need to send every company correspondence telling them THIS IS HOW TO USE EVENTS! Because quite frankly I enjoy events. And quite frankly I'd say only 20% of companies use them properly. I can't even find a god damned happy hour or trivia night. Well, every bar should have trivia night as a recurring weekly event and I should be able to find many of them. Instead I have to find this crap through looking at each companies web site or if I'm lucky they might have an image burried among their 100+ images that says what their weekly events are.

    1. Re:Here's why I still use Facebook by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

      I can message any friend I have with ease.

      Friends don't let friends Facebook.

  26. Re:Gilets jaunes by OakDragon · · Score: 1

    I can accept that there are some number of Russian trolls on Facebook doing what the OP says... not saying I *do* accept it, just that it's not unreasonable. But even if true, I also can accept that they have pretty much zero impact in the grand scheme.

  27. End-game for Zuckerbook by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    It's been coming for the last few years, but The End is finally here for Facebook; everyone is now seeing what the true nature of the beast is, and it's ugly as sin. Time for you to all abandon ship just like the employees are. Formulate your own Facebook Exit Strategy and get off it now. Helping kill Facebook is probably the kindest thing you can do for everyone who is either still ignorant of how bad it is, is in denial about it, or just still sitting on the fence. Time for people to start being actually social, instead of social-media-fake-social.

  28. Re: Gilets jaunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Considering the ammount of damage, targetted destruction, and graffiti left behind, it has absolutely nothing to do with labour, or taxation.

    Anarchists, extremists, and just plain old fashioned assholes always attach themselves to large protests because it gives them an excuse to break shit.

    They didn't do that with the tea party protests. Why's that?

  29. Re: "who're" in summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The overuse of contractions like this is downright obnoxious. "Who are" and "who're" (if that is even a contraction!) are both disyllabic and require the same amount of effort to say. Is this just a failure at trying to look lazy?

    Parent brought up a good point...

  30. The press -is- ganging up on Facebook by timholman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "It's otherwise rational, sane people who're in Mark's orbit spouting full-blown anti-media rhetoric, saying that the press is ganging up on Facebook," said the former employee.

    In a very real sense, that is true. The media have been in a continuous uproar since the 2016 Presidential election and the Brexit vote, because the "wrong side" won, and Facebook is a very convenient target for part of the blame. It's not as if Facebook's business model was any different before 2016; the company has always had slimy business practices. The media simply gave Facebook a free pass up to that point.

    It must be enormously frustrating to Zuckerberg and Sandberg to fight this battle, because their political leanings are no doubt on the progressive side, and Facebook fundamentally did nothing different in 2016 than it did in 2012. They can't comprehend why they're suddenly the bad guys. It's just that in the modern world of social media (which they helped to create), when the mob goes hunting for witches, someone has to be thrown on the pyre.

    1. Re:The press -is- ganging up on Facebook by Tailhook · · Score: 2

      The media simply gave Facebook a free pass up to that point.

      If only. Facebook was a media darling many times. When Musk was threatening to fire anyone that dared cross out Black Lives Matter on the "signature wall" there was no end of praise for the oh so virtuous Facebook. When Facebook was grooming supposedly "conservative" stories out of their news feed an amazing phenomena occurred: a groundswell of admiration for corporate sovereignty and the sanctity of private prerogatives.

      Zuckerberg could do himself a lot of good by ginning up more SJW red meat. Go on a anti-"hate" jihad and accelerate banning "racists." Someone "deadnames" a celebrity? (Barry for Obama, Bruce for Caitlyn, etc.) Ban them; that's hostility and they need to go! Show us your virtue! Do it with great fanfare and get all your pink and purple hairs wet for you again. Hell, at least tweet more mean things about Trump. What is so hard about that? Block Russia. Announce your love of democracy and what measures you're taking to "save" it from Russian democracy wreckers. Block the whole damn country in the name of democracy.

      There are so many things he could do to help get these media people off his back...

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    2. Re:The press -is- ganging up on Facebook by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I see it more as a case of yes you are right, FB has been doing things this way a while. Nothing new. But now some lights have been shined on their behavior and the unacceptable parts of it are on display.

      The attention is not because suddenly they are doing worse things. It's because suddenly people are paying attention.

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    3. Re:The press -is- ganging up on Facebook by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      The question is, "When did people start paying attention?"

      The media started paying attention when they found out that average people could communicate to an audience whose size rivaled theirs. They took notice when an average "Joe the Plumber" could expose and then decompose their narrative and spin. The media started paying attention when their power was threatened.

      At that point, Facebook had to go.

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    4. Re:The press -is- ganging up on Facebook by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I guess I have a harder time getting into full on tinfoil hat mode over it.

      I think the public had a building irritation with FB's policies.
      It boiled over when the recent issues since the election started to surface
      Media companies see people clicking on FB stories because if pre-existing irritation
      Media companies make money.

      I find that far more likely than an over arching conspiracy

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    5. Re:The press -is- ganging up on Facebook by noodler · · Score: 1

      "The media have been in a continuous uproar since the 2016 Presidential election and the Brexit vote, because the "wrong side" won, and Facebook is a very convenient target for part of the blame."

      This is not it.
      The real problem is that the facebook transduced fake news manipulation has become extremely political at around that time.
      Facebook (well, other platforms as well) is used by various actors to manipulate public thought.
      And facebook likes it.
      I think this is the problem with facebook. They are willing to let whole countries become politically unstable if it makes them profit. Disruptive, but not in a healthy way.

  31. Re:Gilets jaunes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Russian trolls" is the new online "Racist!" It's a meaningless term that is used to indicate that the person doesn't agree with you.

    Once upon a time, the words had a real meaning, but in this age, I literally can't.

  32. Re:"who're" in summary by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    Boiling AIDS infested Lipton tea produces Lipton tea.

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  33. Re: "who're" in summary by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    You need parental controls.

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  34. Re:The Left by TWX · · Score: 2

    This situation must be reminiscent of living in communist countries.

    Enjoy!

    Just so we understand each other, you're saying that the paranoia among employees in literally one of the largest Capitalist companies in the world is like living in a Communist country?

    You do realize this sullies Capitalism even more than it does Communism, right? This implies that the power of the Corporation is so great that it rivals or even exceeds that of the nation-state...

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  35. multiple apology digging motion by epine · · Score: 1

    Why Zuckerbergâ(TM)s 14-Year Apology Tour Hasnâ(TM)t Fixed Facebook — April 2018

    The Apology API is known to be of limited ultimate effect when called in a continuous digging motion.

    The bunker is real, and it's spectacular.

  36. Re:Gilets jaunes by Kohath · · Score: 3, Funny

    Russians weigh the same as a duck

  37. Stop being dickish. by Pascoea · · Score: 1

    saying that the press is ganging up on Facebook

    Stop being a dick, maybe? Sometimes the bully deserves to get their ass kicked.

  38. Re: Gilets jaunes by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    The problem was that the Russians didn't care which way it swirled, and used a random back and forth motion. The media in America only wants it to swirl to the left.

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  39. Re:Thanks Trump by Shotgun · · Score: 1

    Haha! Doing that. Changed jobs. Roll the 401K over. Check is in the mail during the dip.

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  40. Re:"who're" in summary by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

    Nooo, not Lipton........ aaarg :O

  41. So who has the best burner phones? by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    Asking for a friend.

  42. We know by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    We already correlated your location with your burner phone. And then ran facial recognition to confirm it was you.

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  43. Re:Remember: It's not just Facebook. by Cederic · · Score: 1

    Well, torturing their children in front of them isn't happening on a large scale either.

    If you don't like what's happening to you there's always scope for violence. That might get you killed but hey, you're the one claiming something's worse than being killed.

  44. Re: Gilets jaunes by c6gunner · · Score: 1

    Who wants to hang out with granma and grandpa? Those fuckers might break a hip.

    I know that the snowflakes have a reputation for being fragile, but I don't think they're THAT fragile ...

  45. They know the tracking by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    power of the tech they worked on.
    Did they chat with their friends doing voice recognition for ads?

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  46. Aww... poor FaceFuckers... by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 1

    What is that? FaceFuck employees are unhappy?

    GOOD. FUCK ‘EM. Fuck them right in the fucking Face....Book.

    Facebook, a long time ago, made my list of companies I cannot WAIT to watch go under.

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  47. Facebook app by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

    When you choose your burner, be very careful it doesn't have the Facebook app preinstalled.

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  48. Media against FB by turbotalon · · Score: 1

    It seems entirely plausible and rational to think the media IS in fact 'out to get' Facebook. After all, the media, for the most part, is all about ad money, and Facebook is siphoning off traditional media's ad money by the billions. It could be argued it's irrational to think the media ISN'T out to get FB.

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  49. Re:Gilets jaunes by Can'tNot · · Score: 1

    Your comment is irrational, it is possible for more than one thing to be happening in the world at any given time. It is possible for some foreigners to provoke and encourage bigotry while, simultaneously, other foreigners are the subject of bigotry. That can happen. It's not a contradiction.

  50. Re: Gilets jaunes by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    There's always a violent group willing and able to join any available protest.

  51. Re:Gilets jaunes by wyHunter · · Score: 1

    That's because to these European "Agenda 21ers," for lack of a better word, want to force everyone into huge urban constellations - people are easier to control if they can be spied on continuously, and it's easy to do that in a city.

  52. Re:Gilets jaunes by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    The whole "blame the foreigners" narrative is the weapon of first resort of those who despise the working class and wish them harm. It is used frequently to dismiss their legitimate concerns by claiming they are not genuine but dirty foreigners in disguise. One can see why it's popular, no arguments need be made, it's very easy to do.

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  53. Re:Gilets jaunes by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

    something something needs of the many

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  54. Re:Hypocrisy alert [in flashing neon] by ennis99 · · Score: 1

    "I do not see the relationship between what is happening in France and the Russian? Must stop putting them everywhere" https://www.minimilitia.mobi/ https://www.applock.ooo/ https://www.7zip.vip/