Windows 10 Passes Windows 7 in Market Share (venturebeat.com)

An anonymous reader writes: More than three years after its release, Windows 10 has passed Windows 7 in market share. That means more desktop computers are now running Microsoft's latest and greatest operating system than any other OS, according to Net Applications. The milestone is a nice way for Microsoft to end 2018, even though the company surely was hoping it wouldn't take this long for Windows 10 to overtake Windows 7.

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Latest and greatest?

[hashish]

Was this article written by MS?

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

Windows 10 may be the latest, but Windows 7 was the greatest.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

Typo. They meant latest and gratingest.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Cmdln Daco]

For it's time, Windows 2000 was mighty fine. It killed Desktop Linux.

Re: Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

It killed OS/2. We'll internally it has many things in common.

Re: Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

IBM is such a retarded piece of shit, in hindsight we should all be happy they failed to capture the desktop.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

At the time, Windows 2000 was a bit bloated for the wimpy hardware we had available back then. Windows 7 was snappy and still looks and runs great even today. Alas, Microsoft doesn't support it anymore, so you can't safely hook up to the Internet... All the more reason to ditch Windows entirely and just use Linux.

Re: Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

OS/2 was dead long before Win2k.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Cmdln Daco]

Windows 2000 was the first really robust OS from Microsoft that had 'enough in it' to be a good desktop system, and was several magnitudes of scale better than Windows 98. Before it, NT 3.51 was a good 'UNIX like' OS, but they screwed that up with NT 4. Then after Windows 2000, they stuck in thick layers of cruft again with XP. It took until Windows 7 to recover. Windows 10 is just an unmitigated disaster. I recently tried to open up my Windows 10 convertible laptop in 'tablet' mode, and had to kind of force it into a shutdown because it wouldn't respond to ANYTHING I could do on the touchscreen.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

Well you went from being fine with 512mb of ram using XP to requiring over 2gb for Windows 7. Hardware requirements ballooned.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

Windows 8.1 + Classic Shell is the best version of Windows. That isn't saying much since everything Microsoft has ever made is crap.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

You just have to be able to translate Msmash shill-speak into English. :-)

"Latest" in English means "most recently deceased."

And "Greatest" in English simply means it's the most "bloated" version.

A depressing day, if true. Every version of Windows since XP SP3 has been worse and buggier than its predecessor.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, but 2GB of RAM got dirt cheap around the time Windows 7 came out, so it was no big deal. Windows 7 looks and runs much better than XP (although XP wasn't all bad once you turned off the ridiculous child-like color scheme window decorations).

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Tough Love]

Gnome (almost) killed desktop Linux, if you had to point at one single factor. With two factors, it would be Gnome and Microsoft dirty tricks.

Well arguably, Gnome is a Microsoft dirty trick too, given that Miguel got a cushy job at Microsoft immediately after laying waste to the Linux desktop ecology. Of course it could have just been incompetence rather than malice, but...

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

Win2k SP4 was faster than XP.
Lack of driver support is the only reason I bought XP at all.
So many games ran on DirectX 9.0c that it's ridiculous.

Re: Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

Linux desktop HAS NEVER been ALIVE . N E V E R

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Kjella]

No, the problem is all the people who seem to think "GNOME or KDE?" is the blocker rather than this. If you're a gamer Linux is fairly useless when it comes to AAA games. Heavy productivity suites like everything from Adobe equally so. And a lot of the very light users would probably be better off with a Chromebook. Yes, you could say that LibreOffice is close enough to MS Office, GIMP is close enough to Photoshop, there are fun independent games on Steam and so on... but it's not the same. Or you have some funny driver issue because your laptop never officially supported Linux, I mean there's a reason there's dedicated shops and models for that. As long as your "desktop paradigm" is not entirely dysfunctional, it's not the problem.

Re: Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

Windows XP was much faster at file operations than Windows 7. The Vista crap wasn't fully reverted.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Tough Love]

You're out of touch. Artists don't use Gimp for painting these days, they use Krita, which is the best digital painter in the known universe. Productivity suite users are moving away from MSFT office in droves, they are moving to Google Office now. You can foam about that all you want but that is the way the world is going. Gamers do just fine on Linux these days, technically Linux is better than Windows, more efficient, more reliable networking and fewer crashes, and the only downside is some AAA titles not available. Which is true of every platform, have you played Bayoneta yet? No? So Windows must suck because you can't play Bayoneta.

Your tired old FUD is getting old, like you. Just give it up.

BTW, LibreOffice is now better than MS Office, the source code isn't a complete steaming pile of shit like MS Office, just for one of many reasons.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

>they are moving to Google Office now

Suuure. Right. That's why every shop worth a damn has a no Google Apps policy because y'know Google uses those Apps to SPY on their competitors. Yah dipshit.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[rtb61]

Windows 7 has been the only OS I have never had to reinstall, admittedly that was a dual boot system and I have used Kubuntu to repair windows 7 on more than one occasion.

If M$ was still selling windows 7 at the same time as Windows anal probe 10, which would be the best selling OS for M$ and we all know the answer for that.

Next boxen likely to be Apple, my first one ever. I will never run Windows anal probe 10, NEVER.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[dwywit]

"foam about that all you want"

You need to have a cup of tea and a good lie down.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Tough Love]

Impressed everyone with your witty rejoinder.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

So, how long do you think you'll be able to get a copy of MS-Office that isn't Office 365? Why do you think Microsoft isn't using the entire OS to spy on bloody everyone? Why do you think Office 365, which will eventually be all you can get from MS is any different from Google Apps?

You're not only a dipshit yourself, but a massive idiot too boot.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[dwywit]

Well the only people you managed to impress were the members of the local linux users' club.

I mean, "Artists don't use Gimp for painting these days, they use Krita, which is the best digital painter in the known universe."

That's called hyperbole, and not serious critical appraisal. You shot yourself in the foot, there. Unless you've bought that 6-digit account, you should know better.

And

"Productivity suite users are moving away from MSFT office in droves, they are moving to Google Office now. "

Hence the rise in MS revenues from Office subscriptions. Ya know, "droves" might imply that some of us at the coalface have seen this happening. More hyperbole. Not a single one of my customers, domestic or small business, use Google Office 'apps'. They're happy to use the storage, but not the apps.

Then, skipping the gaming stuff because gaming isn't my thing:

"BTW, LibreOffice is now better than MS Office, the source code isn't a complete steaming pile of shit like MS Office, just for one of many reasons."

LibreOffice is a fine product - but it's not what most people use. Use what you prefer, I don't care - until you send me a file that renders inaccurately. I'd also be interested to see your critique of MSOffice source code. With examples and references, of course.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[squiggleslash]

There was nothing Unix like about NT 3.51, it was also pretty horrible to use given it had a Windows 3.1 type UI.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[thegarbz]

Gnome (almost) killed desktop Linux

I prefer the term late-stage abortion. "Killing" implied that it was alive and healthy at some point.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

What about MS forcing corps to use Win10 vs Win7.. I.E support reasons...

Re:Latest and greatest?

[kurkosdr]

Funny thing is that even FOSS software works better in Windows. I can download and install the latest VLC in Windows 7 with half a dozen clicks. Can an Ubuntu or Mint LTS from just 3 years ago do that? No. The repositories have an ancient version of VLC, so you will have to recompile the application (seriously). Or move to a rolling (aka continuously breaking) release. Or just go to Windows. Then there are countless driver issues (particularly around graphics and HDMI audio) and various power management issues which make apps run badly and/or for less amount of time on battery. No I don't care whose fault it is.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[kurkosdr]

If an OS for you is a layer that manages your hardware and runs your apps, aka a means not an end, Windows is good (not crap). It has good drivers for most hardware, manages battery power well enough and doesn't require any repository middlemen to repackage applications before you can have your favorite applications. Unlike Desktop Linux.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[kurkosdr]

Funny how when Microsoft tries to do the right thing for things like security, reliability and component management (as they did with Windows Vista and Windows 7) the Linux people are the first to bite. This explains a lot about the state of Desktop Linux, I guess.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Bobtree]

So Windows must suck because you can't play Bayoneta.

Your point about exclusives is valid, but FYI: https://store.steampowered.com...

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

No it doesn't. Windows is insecure, unstable, slow, closed, proprietary and doesn't allow the user to control it. That is a crap OS. In fact, I wouldn't even call it an OS, it's a marketing platform.

There is a reason why no server admin would ever use Windows.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

My Fortune 50 company just migrated completely away from MS Office to Google Suite. That's a good 75,000 users. Most of my peers at other companies have been switching too, so although your neck of the woods might be behind the curve, the world is moving away from MS. That much writing is on the wall if one chooses to read it.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

Even if it's your fault? Because it's strictly your fault if you misconfigure your computer. My 14 year old kid can make Ubuntu run faster on literally any hardware than the Windows 10 it came with. So you're ultimately advertising how little you know about computers with your statement, mate.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

If you're a gamer Linux is fairly useless when it comes to AAA games

These days with Steam I have more AAA games than I have time to play.

GIMP is close enough to Photoshop

I got through school using GIMP (and yes I have a four year degree as a 3D artist). But these days I would say Krita is superior to GIMP and even closer to PS.

Or you have some funny driver issue because your laptop never officially supported Linux, I mean there's a reason there's dedicated shops and models for that.

I hate to say it, but this situation is parsecs ahead of where it was even five years ago. I bought a Dell XPS 13 (pretty much a linux laptop, sure) and did absolutely nothing special to it and Mint runs flawlessly on it (including USB-C display out) and uses less resources than W10 would.
And if you're using a laptop to play heavy AAA games or do serious 3D production... then you really should sit back and think about what it is you're doing and why you're trying to do it on a laptop instead of a gaming rig or a serious workstation.

I mean there's a reason there's dedicated shops and models for that

Why is it that you're slanting it this way?
Why not spin it the other way: "There's a reason Windows only runs on specific x86 and ARM hardware sanctioned by MS" or "There's a reason MacOS only runs on hardware produced by Apple" and then it isn't such a mystery that an operating system doesn't run on literally every single computer ever made in the history of mankind. Your bias to assuming that MS is the One True Operating System is showing.

As long as your "desktop paradigm" is not entirely dysfunctional, it's not the problem.

There's aches and pains with every OS and Linux's problems not really even that bad compared to other systems. It's apples and oranges really: do you want spyware, non-free software, and capricious EULAs and designers or do you want freedom, transparency (even if the sausage factory is gruesome), and a plethora of choices? If you don't like GNOME there are other desktops for Linux and most of them are actually very nice.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[jwhyche]

Well if the Microsoft "dirty trick" was to have a better and more coherent disktop than linux then you might be on to something. Sorry people, but Microsoft has always had a better and more thought out desktop than linux. It has not always been the prettiest but when it comes to getting work done it is better.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Tough Love]

"Artists don't use Gimp for painting these days, they use Krita, which is the best digital painter in the known universe."

That's called hyperbole, and not serious critical appraisal.

It's a fact, and you are out of touch. Krita is not only the best digital painting program on Linux, it's the best digital painting program period.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Tough Love]

Microsoft has always had a better and more thought out desktop than linux.

Yah no. I occasionally have reason to go slumming in the Windows GUI and it always amazes me that anybody is willing to put up with such awkwardness compared to KDE Plasma. Never might the antivirus hell, surprise reboots, crappy updates and all the other reasons that Windows is a nightmare and people who leave it never go back.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[dwywit]

There's a lot of talent on Deviantart, but your reference there is to a discussion about Krita vs. Photoshop. Surely a more meaningful comparison would be about Illustrator? Or haven't you used Illustrator?

To open up that discussion, when Adobe ports the entire Creative Cloud suite to linux , or even someone else makes an *entire* integrated suite of equivalent quality, I'll happily fork out the money. Until then, most of the professional creatives will continue to use CC. I've never seen a professional artist that didn't use some part of CC - they may not like it (and many don't), but the simple fact is that there is no suite available for linux. Individual tools, perhaps, but no integrated suite.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[jwhyche]

Well denial isn't just a river in Egypt. Yeah, you can keep on telling yourself that all you want too. Doesn't make it true but if It helps you sleep at night. Enjoy your fantasy.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Tough Love]

Illustrator is for vector art, not painting. And Krita 4 added a bunch of vector art features while further strengthening its lead in painting.

For photo/image work Gimp is fine and gets major improvements every release. The only people missing Photoshop on Linux are ones that only know that interface, which is hardly the best possible. The big deal is the price per seat: $0.00 for Gimp.

If you must run Photoshop on Linux then go ahead and run it.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Tough Love]

You would appear to be the one in denial. How's that antivirus working out for you? Did it let any through? Are you sure? Of course those strange stalls you're experiencing could be just anything. Never mind, just wipe the machine and reinstall... one more them.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

Never might the antivirus hell, surprise reboots, crappy updates and all the other reasons that Windows is a nightmare and people who leave it never go back.

What antivirus hell? Defender is good enough, you really don't need 3rd party antivirus anymore. Defender doesn't get in the way, doesn't slow your PC down. Independent tests show Defender in Windows 10 is good enough for anybody who doesn't go surfing on russian forums looking for keygens to 15 year old games. Antivirus software is snake oil anyway, most victims of hacks and viruses fall for 0-days that even the most bleeding edge AV won't protect against.
Surprise reboots? You get a warning. Ahead of time. Way ahead of time. And you get to delay it. It's never a surprise as long as you're using the PC. Feature and cumulative updates don't even automatically install until it's like a week after they're out. It's never a surprise to anyone who deosn't just sit at the PC breathing through their mouths while scrolling facebook for the nth hour. It'll obviously reboot when it's idling, but most (if not all) modern applications save progress and state when they're closed aburptly.
Crappy updates? Because something Microsoft put out wasn't compatible with some garbage OEM spyware? Get real. You update your linux distro and everything has a 50% chance of breaking unless you run an ancient "stable" version with packages from a year ago and don't install anything ever.

KDE Plasma 5 keeps freezing, the taskbar keeps crashing and becoming completely unresponsive or stops refreshing, desktop just goes black at random forcing a reboot etc. Get out of your reality denial field sometimes, friend. Windows 10 isn't perfect, but saying a buggy, crashy, memory-leaking DE like Plasma is better is just pure fiction. Stop spreading misinformation.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

Stop spreading FUD

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Tough Love]

[Windows] keeps freezing, the taskbar keeps crashing and becoming completely unresponsive or stops refreshing, desktop just goes black at random forcing a reboot etc.

FTFY

Re:Latest and greatest?

[Anonymous Coward]

You obviously haven't checked Steam lately. There have been a number of AAA ports from various publishers or third parties and Proton has made running Windows only games easier than ever.

Re:Latest and greatest?

[jwhyche]

I'm sure your just trolling now, ether that or you really don't know what your doing. You could just have crappy hardware. Which leads back to you not knowing what you are doing.

But then just in case you are not trolling and are really this much of a linux zealot, I would suggest you get rid of your linux system and get a Mac. You are exactly the kind of person we don't need or want in the linux community. You and people like you are the reason linux has a image problems that it does. You're part of the problem, hell you are the problem.

Many businesses have no choice

[StuartHankins]

Windows 10 has a bunch of serious issues, that's not news, and those who can avoid it are lucky. Guess what? My machine is wanting to install the Windows feature update again, and I'm staving it off because the last time I tried it, after 2 hours of WTF-is-it-doing and then trying to roll back, it left things in such a mess after the "successful" rollback that I restored the entire VM from backup.

This is one reason why I no longer store documents within the VM, and do most of my work remoted onto Windows servers which seem to have fewer issues. Between Office 365 "updates" and forced Windows "updates" my machine has never been so "updated" yet suffering from so many issues before... and I go back to Windows 3.0

I would create another VM from scratch, but Windows 10 is the issue here. What a hot mess!

Re: Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

I physical machine that win10 1803 just trashâ(TM)s rolls back and proceeds to install again and again. I let it do that for 3 months. Scratch load nothing. Item 64 all in one machine came with win7 64 originally.

You think they would place a block if the cpu or other hard is failing to have right drive or something.

This machine runs s small home printer pool since I have 4 machine the house that are win10. Cannot talk then in Linux

My Linux machine is broken. Bios is bad but been working just great Ubuntu. 1604. If I have reboot then a F1. And it continued

So my question âoewhich win 10â? I know of at least 4 versions and I am not talk home & pro here

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

gee some ignorant fuck trying to act all smart has issues, meanwhile millions of machines just work

not all machines just work, its just that 99% of them are owned by some script douche that thinks a VM is something special in 2018

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

When win 10 released, I immidietaly rejected it, stuck to win 7 for gaming reasons. When time came that I was forced to use it for couple of days, I've found a solution to many issues that plauge the latetest ms os. LTSB. Now I'm pretty happy with the win 10 I have, I would say it's better than win 7 at it's core, but because ms decided to preinstall crap onto it, and lock away many fuctions behind essentially paywalls, the win 10 home/pro are shit. If you can get your hands on win 10 enterprise long term standing branch, I highly recommend it.

Re: Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

"BIOS is broken"? Yet it still works.

Are you sure it's not just a dead CMOS battery?

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Billly Gates]

LTSB is not recommended. No Linux support, slow as fuck Windows Update, No Windows Store which is a problem for Office 2019 as Sway and OneNote have moved to the Store only, and many other countless updates since 2015.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Billly Gates]

Yet enterprises have been migrated quietly just fine for years now.

We had some issues where I work presently with some ancient hardware driver but the rest is just certification from our developers who are too lazy to test it. Other companies I worked at upgraded without a problem.

This isn't anything like XP which required different forest levels and GPOs being redone from adm to admX and domains. 10 is much closer to 7 than 7 was to XP. FYI your PC problems sound like you corrupted your install and is not indicative of a poor Windows release. I see people bash 10 because they keep hiting restart when Windows is updating and then complain it breaks.

Run the troubleshooter for Windows Update in your settings menu and it will fix your issue 80% of the time. FYI your hardware may not be compatible with the latest version of Windows 10 (1809). Never run a feature update as you will be a beta tester. 1809 requires Haswell or newer CPU 4xxx series and the latest intel drivers which could be your problem too.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Luckyo]

Enterprises get the enterprise version, which removes almost all of the "hot, new, amazing" technology and cedes control of the OS to the admin to make for an actually reliable OS.

Other users are stuck with home and pro versions which are the worst MS operating system since... I have problems finishing this sentence, as I had better luck even with ME.

Re: Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

But there is the newer LTSC released in last couple of months.

It is not hard to enable Windows store for LTSC/LTSB.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Cmdln Daco]

I bought a retail box version of Windows 10 to put on my desktop because I was running a sketchy copy of Windows 7 that kept deactivating. After a few months running the Windows 10, I went on eBay and bought a legitimate retail box copy of Windows 7 to replace it.

At least now I have a legitimate copy of Windows 7 to run in perpetuity. I have several machines with legit OEM copies of Windows 7 as well.

If you did have a legit Windows 7 machine and you let them do the 'free upgrade' on it, your old license is expired. That was part of the agreement to get the 'free' Windows 10.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

gee some ignorant fuck trying to act all smart has issues, meanwhile millions of machines just work

*Present doll in front of AC*
Can you please show the jury where StuartHankins touched you?

Re: Many businesses have no choice

[Billly Gates]

But there is the newer LTSC released in last couple of months.

It is not hard to enable Windows store for LTSC/LTSB.

I gave it a shot. It took 3 hours to update one machine and we couldn't get OneNote nor an app some site used that was from the appstore. I think looking forward in time 2 to 5 years from now (normal image lifespan) that the WindowsStore will have a larger role. If a user has to install something without admin rights we know it will contain malware from the store. Vendors are slowly moving to it too.

Linux support is important for many slashdotters too which is nice.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Billly Gates]

I am not pro Windows fan and far from it. But the pro version you can delay updates which I have done for feature for 140 days and security for 7 days in case some bad security update is released it usually gets pulled back before 7.

I had no issues with Windows 10 reliability since 2016 or so. I laugh at my old posts as 2015 was a mess. LTSB includes the older bugs and enterprise really is not that much different than the home or pro. I like the Linux support through WSL in the newer releases and Hyper-V and update control from the pro versions. But, I agree home has been updated too much. Microsoft is slowly introducing QA through update and I do find it unacceptable to tell users not to click Update as a broken feature update might get pushed.

FYI if you leave it alone since October Windows 10 will not update if it detects older hardware without recent drivers (looking at you Intel Graphics!) to prevent this.

But that is my use case. At work we had some issues with older HP units from 2012 well out of warranty where they refused to update the drivers to work with newer 10 editions but that is it.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Bite The Pillow]

My customer mandated W10 for security reasons. 7 will not be supported forever.

I don't mind it other than using a keyboard is not an option in many places. That's maybe 5% of my needs, but it's weighted to 80% of my hate. Likely to get worse, too.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

Congratulations. You rewarded Microsoft twice (thrice?) for making your life miserable. Once for buying the retail box Windows 10, a second time by buying a retail box Windows 7, and possibly an initial third time from your original sketchy Windows 7 (perhaps an OEM pre-installation image that started failing after too many hardware upgrades?).

Multiply your story times the number of other people in the world that did something similar and it becomes obvious why Microsoft makes shoddy versions of Windows. It's more profit in their pockets the harder they make life for you all.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

since October Windows 10 will not update if it detects older hardware without recent drivers (looking at you Intel Graphics!) to prevent this.

Enforcing the upgrade treadmill was not what people wanted with a new desktop OS. There's no newer features worth paying full price for on a new PC, and that has been the case for years now. Definitely not in the business market, where workstation work loads are stable, and even the gamers have had little reason to upgrade due to most games being console ports. The cost of admission doesn't justify the price.

If this is how MS wants to push Windows 10, there's going to be an increasing number of smartphone / tablet users replacing the remaining PC users. Those that are left will be looking for an out while maintaining Windows 7 for as long as possible. It speaks volumes that of the few selling points for the people actually running Windows 10, two of MS's biggest pushes to justify it are "stability" and "new hardware support."

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

LTSB is not recommended. No Linux support, slow as fuck Windows Update

It's called Cygwin or a virtual machine.

No Windows Store which is a problem for Office 2019 as Sway and OneNote have moved to the Store only

Nobody cares.

and many other countless updates since 2015.

Again nobody cares, not even a little.

Re: Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

I think looking forward in time 2 to 5 years from now (normal image lifespan) that the WindowsStore will have a larger role.

LOL sure it will.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Luckyo]

Of which "new hardware support" was achieved by literally forcing OEMs and hardware designers into not releasing win7 drivers. They even strong armed intel itself into not releasing full support for win7 on its most modern CPUs.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Luckyo]

Considering your name and posting history, you're not just a fan. You're a full blown astroturfer, and the only question I have if you're doing this as a hobby or a paid assignment. Content of this post proves it, as even the points of stability, original release has been by far the most stable. Even the first update literally broke a whole bunch of software, to the point where microsoft themselves recommended "running in win7 compatibility mode if you experience stability issues". It has gotten only worse since, to the point where after snafu #3 or so, I just ripped the update process out of the only laptop I have running win10 entirely after re-imaging it. If it ever gets pwned, I'll just re-image it back.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

I am not pro Windows fan and far from it. But the pro version you can delay updates which I have done for feature for 140 days and security for 7 days in case some bad security update is released it usually gets pulled back before 7.

How gracious of Microsoft to know better than users and tell them what they must do to their own computers.

Microsoft is slowly introducing QA through update and I do find it unacceptable to tell users not to click Update as a broken feature update might get pushed.

Microsoft is rapidly losing whatever is left of any remaining shred of integrity.

Re: Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

Yup it battery :) blowncaps and flash is cracked bios cannot handle f12 or f2. Dells cert cannot be read. Bootable usb2 lock it up. But can f1 and get to grub. Then Linux.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Voyager529]

by Billly Gates ( 198444 )

Username checks out.

LTSB is not recommended. No Linux support,

There's Cygwin, there's Docker for Windows, there's Virtualbox and VMWare Workstation and Hyper-V...

slow as fuck Windows Update,

That's not a bug, that's a feature.

No Windows Store

Also a great feature.

which is a problem for Office 2019

I'm sure the CtR installer still works just fine, though odds are good that anyone with a licensed copy of LTSB will still have a volume license of Office, and anyone who gets it off The Pirate Bay similarly won't care.

as Sway

Who the hell has ever used Sway? I've never once met one person who used it. Even if it's a nice combination of Publisher, Wordpress, and Wix.com, the Youtube tutorial I watched didn't indicate any sort of export function; it's all browser based so it's barely a loss.

and OneNote

Ahhh, the incredibly powerful (if forever a sleeper) data organization and categorization tool that is a husk of its former self in Microsoft's pursuit of Evernote. It was a college student's best friend, but Microsoft could never understand that OneNote was a power user's tool, while Evernote focused on simplicity. While a 'simple mode' or 'OneNote Cloud' could have been a spinoff product, the UWP iteration of OneNote retains its name, and little else.

have moved to the Store only

Then it's not a part of Office anymore, is it? It's a spinoff product, likely from the same team, with similar branding...but it's not a part of Office if the Office installer doesn't include it.

and many other countless updates since 2015.

See, the problem is this false equivalence that newer is better. For a while, it was a safe bet. However, I'm hard pressed to come up with a feature added to Windows 10 that I have actually sought to implement, rather than disable. AFAIK, the LTSB still gets security updates, but is generally intended to be stable...which, at this point, is all a whole lot of Windows users really want.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[e432776]

Just curious, why did you prefer 7 o 10? I don't do most of my computing in Windows, but find 10 to be pretty good..

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

So only he will install software when he wants it.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[thegarbz]

This is one reason why I no longer store documents within the VM

Why are you trying to outsmart your OS? Just put the documents in the cloud. MS themselves consider their system so unreliable and so malware prone that this is a fundamental and necessary feature of Windows 10.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[thegarbz]

Oh look you're trying to be clever. Good work ignoring the GP's requirements. But let me correct you on your sillyness:

- Cygwin is not a suitable replacement for WSL. Your talk about VMs shows that you don't understand the point in the first place
- Slow updates ARE a problem when security is involved. You can happily delay non security updates for 365 days in Windows 10 Pro. LTSB is stupid in this regard.
- No windows store is a problem on Windows 10 desktop. It's a central license store for features not only for software. You mention OneNote as if you think you know what you're talking about. Are you aware that OneNote UWP is nearly feature comparable and in many ways surpasses the Office version? Are you aware that depending on what Office 365 subscription you have OneNote activates a different set of features within the app and it requires the presence of the Store to do that?

AFAIK, the LTSB still gets security updates, but is generally intended to be stable...which

So is Windows 10 Pro which as I mentioned provides you more than enough control over updates and is why LTSB adoption is poor even within enterprises that could license the product.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[StuartHankins]

• 1. Versioning. I get hourly Time Machine backups by not storing my only copy to the cloud.
• 2. Large files are clunky to save to and retrieve from cloud
• 3. Windows 10 recently had an issue where people's documents saved to the Microsoft cloud (OneDrive) were lost. That alone should be good enough reason not to store important documents "in the cloud" but especially with Microsoft's cloud.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

No Linux support

I have proper Linux machines. I do not want to run Linux under something as insecure, unstable and untrustworthy as Windows.

slow as fuck Windows Update

Good. There is nothing worse than a developer who is so incompetent that they have to constantly push out updates to fix their broken garbage.

No Windows Store

LOL! Just LOL!

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Voyager529]

Oh look you're trying to be clever.

Not clever, just realistic.

Good work ignoring the GP's requirements.

Yes, because they're dumb requirements.

But let me correct you on your sillyness

Go right ahead.

Cygwin is not a suitable replacement for WSL. Your talk about VMs shows that you don't understand the point in the first place

And your condescending description indicates that you miss *my* point. The thesis statement here is that LTSB is a bad option for the listed reasons. My point is that while WSL has its advantages, Cygwin and/or a separate Linux VM and/or Docker for Windows has been the way to perform the same tasks from a Windows workstation for over a decade now; a one-year-old method of doing certain Linux tasks without Cygwin or a VM is far from a compelling argument.

Slow updates ARE a problem when security is involved.

True, but any environment worth a damn has multiple layers of security, including antivirus, a decent firewall, UAC, some security-enhancing GPOs, and possibly some specialist software like Cryptoprevent. Getting security updates is important, but it's incredibly rare for a vulnerability to effectively exploit a system solely based on the absence of a security patch.

More to the point, my go-to example is one time when Windows 10 did an update on the laptop I used for controlling my intelligent lighting. That update got the machine stuck in a boot loop. I don't care what that laptop was vulnerable to prior to that update, and I don't care what new features are available after. 'preventing your computer from working properly' is a core description of the very malware the security updates are intended to prevent, and the updates caused more problems than the malware.

You can happily delay non security updates for 365 days in Windows 10 Pro. LTSB is stupid in this regard.

What's even better is not having monolithic patches.

No windows store is a problem on Windows 10 desktop.

...But why is it integrated into the OS to the point where it's not possible to be added on later? Valve seems to have figured out how to do that a decade ago.

It's a central license store for features not only for software.

Golden 'duh' award - those features are still software. Also, again, this is a solved problem except that the intent is unnecessary integration.

You mention OneNote as if you think you know what you're talking about.

I do.

Are you aware that OneNote UWP is nearly feature comparable

I mean, 'nearly' wasn't good enough for a Linux VM or Cygwin, but apparently it is now, because, reasons I guess...

and in many ways surpasses the Office version?

But OneNote was a part of Office when Billy Gates made the argument the first time? At least my arguments are consistent. Either way, I'm not saying it's useless now, but at the very least it's a royal PITA to use it without a Microsoft account, so even if it does everything else beautifully, the fact that it so heavily steers users to saving to Teh Cloud(tm) is a huge detriment.

Are you aware that depending on what Office 365 subscription you have OneNote activates a different set of features within the app and it requires the presence of the Store to do that?

...and yet, it was possible to have a single installation media with differing sets of active features, based on a product key, for over a decade? I know this because that's how Microsoft supplied Windows Vista. The need for the store is artificial, the inability to make the CtR installer download the required feature sets is also artificial, and even if all of that is somehow acceptable, we're still back to the fact that Valve solved di

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

There is nothing worse than a developer who is so incompetent that they have to constantly push out updates to fix their broken garbage

Looks like open source software is garbage then. Constant updates ..

Also,..

https://www.cvedetails.com/top...

lols

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[thegarbz]

Aside from my comment being in jest and not ment to be taken seriously there's a few parts I do want to comment on

2. Large files are clunky to save to and retrieve from cloud

If this is the case then it sounds like you are actually fighting your OS. Cloud integration in Windows 10 is not only seamless but differential. Handling large files is trivial (I don't use OneDrive personally but I'm forced to through work).

That alone should be good enough reason not to store important documents "in the cloud"

I had an unreadable backup tape once. Clearly I shouldn't use backup tapes for important documents? Note this isn't a question, just an example of how absurd your comment.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

I can answer that for him. The answer is classified.
  - the spooks at Microsoft

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[thegarbz]

Yes, because they're dumb requirements.

The mark of a true IT pro, ignore the requirements of the user. You'll go far in this world.

My point is that while WSL has its advantages, Cygwin and/or a separate Linux VM and/or Docker for Windows has been the way to perform the same tasks from a Windows workstation for over a decade now; a one-year-old method of doing certain Linux tasks without Cygwin or a VM is far from a compelling argument.

What an absurd comment to make. "The way we've done it in the past" is the antithesis of technology and using that to justify ignoring advantages of a new way is just mindblowingly stupid in the IT world.

That update got the machine stuck in a boot loop. I don't care what that laptop was vulnerable to prior to that update, and I don't care what new features are available after. 'preventing your computer from working properly' is a core description of the very malware the security updates are intended to prevent, and the updates caused more problems than the malware.

What you're describing is a problem *you* had in a specific scenario and is completely irrelevant when discussing security of a desktop OS. You're on fire with this "ignoring the user" bit.

What's even better is not having monolithic patches.

Strawmen not relevant to the discussion at hand are even better than monolithic patches.

Golden 'duh' award - those features are still software

I'm out. You're being intetionally dense in this discussion.

have a good day.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[painandgreed]

Just curious, why did you prefer 7 o 10? I don't do most of my computing in Windows, but find 10 to be pretty good..

I can answer for myself, and that is totally the UI. They changed how everything is interacted with. That is a learning curve, but even after you learn it, I have compared and most things take more clicks to get to in Win10 than Win7. Then that is only for things you can get to by navigating with a mouse. Most of their time, their solution is to "Just type whatever you are looking for into the search field and it will find it". Well, to do that I have to take my hand off my mouse, move to a typing positiong with both hands on the keyboard and actually type, hope I remember the exact name, and pray it doesn't decide I want to do a web search instead of finding the thing I'm looking for. Overall, it really kills productivity and usefullness.

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[Anonymous Coward]

Gentoo is not looking so bad now, huh?

Re:Many businesses have no choice

[e432776]

This makes sense, and I can see that inefficiency would be a nuisance- thank you for replying. I did not use Windows 7 heavily, so the change to 10 was as noticeable to me. However, the few times I interacted with 8 and 8.1 - the schizophrenic UI problems in those were very noticeable.

Just try Ubuntu (Mint)

[Anonymous Coward]

Or Linux.

Treat Windows like a "softconsole". A games OS. Then you'll not be disappointed, since you already know that treatment from other consoles.

Serious professional software runs on Linux anyway. (E.g. 3D modeling software.)
If it wants to be considered serious and be used in real businesses (like manufacturing; unlike social media companies) anyway.

Re: Just try Ubuntu (Mint)

[cyber-vandal]

Lots of serious professional software only runs on Windows. Software you've probably never heard of but nonetheless is widely used in a particular industry. The applications barrier to entry is still going strong.

Re: Just try Ubuntu (Mint)

[houstonbofh]

Lots of serious, professional, LEGACY software. Which often runs better in dosbox or on WINE than it does in WinX.

Re: Just try Ubuntu (Mint)

[iggymanz]

False. You'll notice the "platinum" "gold" and "silver" lists of things that run without problem on wine are games. Meanwhile, adults needing to make money for a living will find their wares will have problems.

Wine is not for the professional

Re:Just try Ubuntu (Mint)

[LynnwoodRooster]

Serious professional software runs on Linux anyway. (E.g. 3D modeling software.)

Which software would that be? Everyone I know doing Creo, Solidworks, or NX is using Windows...

Re: Just try Ubuntu (Mint)

[Anonymous Coward]

Wine is not for the professional

I dunno, you sound pretty whiny to me.

Re: Just try Ubuntu (Mint)

[cyber-vandal]

If it's that simple then why is Windows so prevalent on the desktop? I posted a list of software above. Perhaps you can tell me how well they run under WINE.

Re: Just try Ubuntu (Mint)

[Anonymous Coward]

Yep, even for personal projects. Adobe suite, as well as many niche programs for extracting audio dvds, ripping software, my ocr program. All locked to windows, though I'm looking into running them in a VM, 1 year left on 7

Groove, Cortana, Ad crapware cannot be removed :(

[Anonymous Coward]

Unfortunately, windows 10 includes crap ware like Groove, Cortana, Ads that cannot be uninstalled

Windows 10 does wonders!

[zilym]

My Dad was happily using Windows 8, was forcefully upgraded to Windows 10 by accident. Hated Windows 10, downgraded back to Windows 8, then kept getting warning messages popping up from time to time about some DLL that got lost in all the shuffle. Didn't seem to do anything useful (app store DLL?) but annoying. Fed up with all that, he finally bite the bullet and switched to Ubuntu 18.04 this fall. Thanks Microsoft!

Re:Windows 10 does wonders!

[Dutch Gun]

My Dad was happily using Windows 8

See, now I know you're making this up...

Kidding aside, I have my own frustrations with Windows 10, as I can't upgrade my two Windows 10 machines past 1709. Honestly, I don't really mind the OS that much aside from that. So far I've been able to turn off most of the annoying features.

Re:Windows 10 does wonders!

[Anonymous Coward]

Try downloading the 1809 ISO using the Media Tool (google "media tool 1809 iso")

Run the setup from the ISO and it will probably update OK - I find this fixes the automatic update loops that Win10 tends to get itself into.

Re:Windows 10 does wonders!

[Anonymous Coward]

I tried switching to Ubuntu but I gave up after the three most recent versions failed to even do a fresh install. Each one gave a different error trying to begin the upgrade process.

Re: Windows 10 does wonders!

[Anonymous Coward]

FWIW and coincidentally, I'm fed up with networking issues of Win 7 talking to xp. So using a Xmas gifted copy of Win 7 I'm about to install it on the xp machine.

It's trivial, but I wanted to say publicly that I'm helping Microsoft's stats in the same way that, over the years, they have helped me.

Re:Windows 10 does wonders!

[Anonymous Coward]

Gibson Research to the rescue!

Re:Windows 10 does wonders!

[Anonymous Coward]

Stay away from that Media Tool garbage. It does not give you a proper ISO. Instead, download the ISO directly at

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO/

NB that you have to be using something that sets a really old user agent that Microsoft does not think they can "control" through their malicious web pages, craptivex controls, and javascript, otherwise you will be re-directed to the Media Tool garbage malicious scripts page.

not a milestone

[Espectr0]

no the sum of all windows 10 releases (they have been plenty) now has more market share that the single release of windows 7? that's not a milestone.

wake me up when a single release of windows 10 does that.

Is IS OS/2!

[Anonymous Coward]

Those two are the same OS.
Just skinned a bit differently.
It was a co-developement by IBM and Microsoft.
And of couuurse, Microsoft back-stabbed its former big brother. Nevermind that IBM is the only reason they got any relevance and exist in the first place.

Re:Groove, Cortana, Ad crapware cannot be removed

[bn-7bc]

I know my eyes ar,shall we say, sub optimal, but I’ve never seen those ads you ar talking about. Where are they? I ron win 10 pro (non oem) if thst has anything to do with thelack of ads, I allso dissabled live tiles, in fact remived all tiles from the start menu

MS forces OS popularity Propaganda

[Anonymous Coward]

Windows is absolute shit OS. Windows, you can see where you want to go but you cannot get there from here.
Windows 7 will do a system backup to an external drive but try accessing that backup to restore... it can't see it.
This is my latest dealings with MS crap, and been dealing with other MS crap lately far too much.
Fact is if people billed MS for the time they waste dealing with MS crap MS would be out of business, long ago.
MS is abusive of users.

Windows XP passed Windows 8.1

[xack]

If you were to believe the stats that netmarketshare posted. Estimating stats is so unreliable these days other than Enterprises using Windows 7 and Home users using Windows 10. In practice all browsers these days are Chrome based or chrome-imitating so just worry about being Chrome compatible.

Re:Windows XP passed Windows 8.1

[Lonewolf666]

Actually, I believe that one.
Some people really cling to their Windows XP, but if you can choose between Windows 8 and Windows 8.1, I see no reason not to prefer 8.1.

Note that I don't include myself in any of these. For me it is Windows 7 as long as it's supported, then probably Xubuntu.

Is it really Windows anymore?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'd think I'd call it Flatdows or something these days given the UI.

Naaaaa.

[grep -v '.*' *]

"Windows 10 Passes Windows 7 in Market Share"

That's no good at all. Wake me when it can crank up to 11.

Re:Naaaaa.

[KiloByte]

That's no good at all. Wake me when it can crank up to 11.

Microsoft promised there won't be Windows 11, and I believe them -- they alternate between a passable version of windows and a bad one. Why do you think Win 9 got skipped?

Re:Naaaaa.

[Known Nutter]

they alternate between a passable version of windows and a bad one. Why do you think Win 9 got skipped?

Not this shit again...

Re:Naaaaa.

[Insanity Defense]

Why do you think Win 9 got skipped?

Same reason Mac didn't do OS9 - trademark issues.

Re:Naaaaa.

[Anonymous Coward]

Close, but actually win 9 got skipped because lots of legacy software looked for that to indicate 'win95' or 'win98' (were they just checking the first 4 bytes of a string?), whereas OS9 was skipped by Apple due to a pre-existing RTOS, OS-9, having that trademark already.

Re: Naaaaa.

[UnknowingFool]

My recollection was that there was a OS 9 from Apple. Yes there was a trademark lawsuit which Apple won.

Re:Naaaaa.

[Anonymous Coward]

9 got skipped because shitty programmers would match 95 and 98 using a wildcard.... Win9*. Adding Win9 would not mean 3 OSes matched that statement and would cause problems.

Re:Naaaaa.

[Anonymous Coward]

Because seven ate nine?

Oh kid. Don't even try.

[Anonymous Coward]

I bet you have never even seen a minicomputer, and think the world stands for a Mac mini.

I worked in music and film production, craft businesses, and manufacturing. I know all the shity cancer of industry-specific software out there. I even wrote some of it. (For warehouse management, color mixing machines, custom data management, and similar small side-gigs.)

And they all either got replaced by server-side software that runs on large metal linux boxen, by small single-board computer gadgets with client/web interfaces, have never been Windows software (like film/music/3D software), or are more and more moving away from Windows.

Nowadays, Windows has only two domains left:
* Businesses too young/small for big iron and a Unix history and
* too old/big for sucking Apple dick.
So basically just boring medium/small companies ran by PHBs.

Re: Oh kid. Don't even try.

[Anonymous Coward]

I agree for the most part.

Most software is moving to web based interfaces.

Most controllers are Linux based with a web interface or basic API, to which a web based interface could be easily written to manage all the devices simultaneously.

However, I do think Windows still has it's place, and I say this as an avid Linux user since 2004.

But it certainly is slowly losing ground.

Re:Oh kid. Don't even try.

[iggymanz]

hahaha, no. Step out of your mom's basement and get real job before commenting. The main tools business uses are windows only. The major market share of CADD software (AutoCAD/Fusion360, SolidWorks, ProE/PTC Creo) are Windows only. Even big the enterprise Unix financial systems require a Windows Desktop or work cannot be done.

Re:Oh kid. Don't even try.

[Anonymous Coward]

You're dreaming buddy. Software on Linux for audio mixing doesn't even support channel mixing WTF the last time I looked.

Audacity does support channel mixing.

Also people like Microsoft Office.

And? No unix has to emulate Windows or it's software to be useful. If you can't adapt to new technologies you'll be quickly thrown into the unemployment line once you get past a certain age in modern society. That's true regardless of what OS or device you use.

Everyone who needs to get work down buys a PC with Windows. End of discussion. Unix lost in the 1980s sorry.

Good to see your fanboyism is alive and well 40 years later. You might want to try looking around again. Assuming you can follow instructions and ask for help when needed that is.

Re:Oh kid. Don't even try.

[Anonymous Coward]

"large metal linux boxen"

How the hell can something which is by definition a bitty-box operating system run on "large metal" (running bitty-boxen OSes like Linux in bitty-box VMs on a real computer aside)?

I guess it is all a matter of scale. If you are an ant then even a bitty-box looks pretty big....

Re: Oh kid. Don't even try.

[cyber-vandal]

I started in IT in 1989 working with IBM mainframes. Those are still very much in use 40 years later. I've been hearing about how Linux is going to replace Windows since I started using it in 1998 and guess what? It still hasn't happened.

I'll give you an example from my previous job at a fairly large law firm. What are the Linux equivalents of Aderant, WorkSite, BigHand and Cisco Jabber and how much would it cost to migrate? How easy is it to use Microsoft Word templates and Excel macros in Libre Office? Is there a plug in for Libre Office that allows you to design templates for Contracts Express Dealbuilder? Does Contracts Express Dealbuilder support Libre Office templates?

Windows is massively entrenched in businesses because the software that runs on it doesn't run on any other systems. Any OS that wants to eat into that market has to find a way of getting around that.

Re:Oh kid. Don't even try.

[Lonewolf666]

Bullshit.

From ibm.com: https://www.ibm.com/it-infrastructure/z/os/linux-tested-platforms.
I don't think it gets any bigger than one of those mainframes. Except for some supercomputers in research, but many of those are running Linux too.

Not Good

[Billly Gates]

Windows 7 goes EOL in 1 year. Yikes. Even XP was surprised by 7 several years before it hit retirement.

Re:Not Good

[Anonymous Coward]

You're kidding right? EOL in one year? They have already been failing miserably to keep it secure ever since the "Vault 7" NSA weapons release hit the interwebs.

Re:Not Good

[Billly Gates]

You're kidding right? EOL in one year? They have already been failing miserably to keep it secure ever since the "Vault 7" NSA weapons release hit the interwebs.

Yes. 1/2020 is EOL and will no longer get security updates.

Re:Not Good

[93 Escort Wagon]

Windows 7 goes EOL in 1 year.

Ugh. Our primary computers at home are all Macs, but we have a Windows 7 VM on the iMac because most of my wife’s sewing machine / embroidery software is Windows based. I’m very tempted to just leave that at 7 even after it’s EOL’ed - she doesn’t use Internet Explorer for anything, and the VM is isolated inbound.

I’ve seen plenty of the Windows 10 hot mess at work (as an observer - I’m on Mac and Linux there 99% of the time)... I don’t really want to deal with it myself if I can avoid it.

Re:Not Good

[Anonymous Coward]

You dumbass, that affected all Windows versions. Win10 included.
It was because of Microsofts dumb Trusted Computing era of software being left on by default.
You can disable all of MS-junk services and you can run Win2k on the net fine, even when actively attacked by those tools.
Win7 is as insecure as Microsofts shit services are. Get rid of them and replace some and you are golden.
Don't forget to actually use proper user accounts and set strong passwords.
Also get a better router if you never already. Preferably make your own router, guides easily found from a search "DIY internet router", and set proper firewall rules and disable everything not used.

Trusted Computing is the reason for Windows being insecure. Not the core OS. The core is fine.
It is just as secure as most Linux builds with a few tweaks here and there.
Conversely, some Linux builds are sometimes worse than Windows by default! (like Raspbian and Android)

Re:Not Good

[Billly Gates]

Your wife is good. She uses her up to date Mac to browse the web and do work outside of her proprietary app.

I replaced to that poster saying it is a mess. I am not a Microsoft apologist but he made a poor generalization because of his one corrupted install. FYI running a feature update will break machines where Realtek or Intel do not update the drivers. Windows Update by default now will ignore the latest Windows 10 versions after probably for Intel display drivers and realtek audio and just put in security so I would not worry if you do have to run 10.

Enterprises have been quietly migrating to 10 for a few years now with no issues. It is much smoother than the transition from XP to 7. 7 is a very different beast than XP due to security, active directory, and driver models that caused many problems back in 2013/2014. It is not the same this time around at the same level.

Re:Not Good

[Anonymous Coward]

Windows Update by default now

No reason to continue reading. The damage was already done.
Years of damage. Probably millions in dollars of either wasted time or outright damage.
Microsoft simply never gave a shit until it started blowing up, forcing them to hire actual developers to fix the shitheap.
I will never trust a future Windows OS on native ever again. They are dead to me.
I've defended Microsoft plenty of times before, but Win10 is indefensibly bad. Criminally bad, even!
Win10 has got to be the biggest shitshow that has ever happened in tech. More so than WinME and Vista combined. At least they were killed off quickly. Win10 is still here, and still shit, and it shows no signs of stopping.
Windows as a Service. LMAO. That new CEO is the worst. He makes Tim Cook look sensible and Steve Jobs an actual god.
For me, now, it will forever be Windows as a VM image.

Re:Not Good

[antdude]

No one stopping you to keep using W7. Just keep it off the Internet and be a smart user to be secured. ;)

Re:Not Good

[Anonymous Coward]

Your computer will not spontaneously combust the instant that Windows 7 goes "out of date," and if you're in a position where you'll end up instantly infected without the latest patches you probably should strongly consider changing your computing habits (particularly clicking just any old link you see and possibly running ad blocker software) and/or using more virtual machines for your riskier activities.

In truth, considering the telemetry stuff that has been found in some Windows 7 updates, if you're going for the privacy angle you may already be too late if you've just happily crammed down every update.

The addiction that people have to install every last update possible is not only deluded, it's also handing total and irrevocable control of your computer and data to major corporations on a silver platter, right down to telling you what software you can and cannot use.

Re:Windows sucks but at least it's not Android

[zilym]

Android by itself is quite good. Java blows, but Android did the best job they could with it. What I really enjoy is that I can port all my apps in Qt to run on Android without much fuss. It's really great fun being able to run my apps on such a tiny, portable piece of tech.

What I hate is all the vendor added crapware and hardware lockdown anti-features that third parties forced upon the users. We need more hackers breaking this stuff down so we can install tighter, cleaner, more up-to-date builds of Android on to our devices.

And all it took was removing it from the market.

[Anonymous Coward]

To be clear: You can't buy windows 7 so the fact it took this long for win10 to out pace it is a pretty good indication of just how badly it sucks.

Wow! That was SO FAST!

[Chas]

Only too 3.5 years and fucking with hardware and software to artificially obsolete Win7!

Re:Wow! That was SO FAST!

[Anonymous Coward]

this number also likely includes every xbox one(x) sold (as it benefits microsoft to include them), as they run 'windows 10', too.

Re:Wow! That was SO FAST!

[markdavis]

>"Only too 3.5 years and fucking with hardware and software to artificially obsolete Win7!"

You forgot to mention them also trying over and over again to force it down users' throats with unrequested (and usually unwanted) "upgrades" from 7 to 10.

Re:Wow! That was SO FAST!

[Anonymous Coward]

It's like the Netscape browser wars all over again, this time, it's infighting with their own operating systems!

Re:Wow! That was SO FAST!

[OrangeTide]

Only too 3.5 years and fucking with hardware and software to artificially obsolete Win7!

Plus there is only 5 more years before EOL for Windows 10. Now is the time to get ready to upgrade to Windows 11!

Windows 10 is great

[WCMI92]

I just hope Microsoft doesn't screw it up. They have this tendency to release good version/bad version of Windows since they flopped with Vista after XP. Windows 8 was a similar flop after the great Windows 7.

Re:Windows 10 is great

[Anonymous Coward]

Vista....you should think really further back. I remember windows ME was terrible disaster, people were bitching about windows 98SE too (at least I had to reinstall it every month, as BoD occurrence was exponentially proportional to days since last reinstall). I think it might have actually started with windows 2.x (but I was too young back then).

Re:Windows 10 is great

[Anonymous Coward]

As I recall the one constantly blowing up was Windows 95. We even had an 8x CDROM drive that seemed too fast for its own good, so on top of Windows crapping the bed we had rather many blue screens on failed CD reads. (it was a "Press ENTER to continue" deal, and many blue screens due to crashes and such were survivable as well)
But an OEM PC with Paint and Solitaire and Word installed could work for a decade, too.

With 98SE I had two hard drives (later, partitions on one or two drives). So, I had the Windows CD contents on D:\, drivers and tools, and could treat C:\ as a sacrificial partition. By booting to DOS (a multiboot tool may help to boot from other than first partition of first disk..) I could just run the setup rather quickly with no need for external media (and I memorized the CD key whether I wanted that or not). That was fun. You could even make a simple copy of the quick toolbar contents - the little shortcuts icons - to still have them after a reinstall.
These days I think uninstalling something like iTunes or random 300MB vendor software on a Windows PC takes more time.

Windows ME brought us the "System Restore" that doesn't work when you need it (because the system is broken enough) and restores viruses and bugs when it works. But while it was a laughing matter then, they seem to have had something solid there with Windows Vista/7/8/10.

I'm waiting for Windows 11

[jfdavis668]

I hear it's one louder.

Re:I'm waiting for Windows 11

[Anonymous Coward]

I hear it's one louder.

With inbuilt spyware also turned up to 11, oh wait!

Re:I'm waiting for Windows 11

[Anonymous Coward]

I could only give you one mod point, but this deserves to be "Score: 11, Funny"

Re:Groove, Cortana, Ad crapware cannot be removed

[LynnwoodRooster]

Turn off Cortana.

Remove Groove.

Ads? Is that Windows thing, or is that from your browser?

GOOD POINT "King Billy"... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

GOOD POINT "King Billy" (I used to call the REAL Bill Gates that in fact) which makes me GLAD I lucked out to KUbuntu 18.04 LTS (which iirc, has a what? 10-20 yr. LONG TERM SUPPORT PLAN scheduled??)

* I have grown to really, Really, REALLY LIKE Linux & have said so time & again (KUbuntu 10.10 ALMOST GOT ME back in 2010 but 'missed' on a few things that have been LONG since corrected - I like the "minimal install" & DISCOVERY system for ADDING apps IF you need them (there are TONS MORE NOW TOO & of higher quality than back in 2010 imo also)).

Took me awhile, & many times trying Linux (1994 Slackware 1.02, was WAY "rough/crude" & I had no X desktop/gui (no hardware support for my then Diamond Stealth 24 "Windows Accelerator" card - THEN Redhat in 1999 (still rough but BETTER, shitty apps held me back) & like I said 2010 was KUbuntu 10.10 but the "near latest/greatest" in 18.04 HAS ME NOW & I have a feeling that I'll do my BEST WORKS EVER on both Linux & MacOS from now on... *NIX!)

APK

P.S.=> So much so that I even "put down" (modern versions) of Windows (I did like 7, the last good one though) https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... ... apk

Re:GOOD POINT "King Billy"... apk

[Billly Gates]

That reminds me. I could use a suggestion for a host file APK. Any ideas if I should create one?

Re:And all it took was removing it from the market

[nukenerd]

To be clear: You can't buy windows 7 so the fact it took this long for win10 to out pace it is a pretty good indication of just how badly it sucks.

Not to mention that MS "upgraded" so many Win7/8 users to Win10 unwittingly by dirty tricks. I'm amazed that it has taken this long for 10 to overtake 7. Fortunately Win7 is still available for download from pirate sites.

Re:Windows sucks but at least it's not Android

[Anonymous Coward]

I heard google was going to come out with a new OS to replace Android... It will be called Voyeur!

They could still make it great, or at least better

[Anonymous Coward]

Windows 10 had been slowly slipping toward giving back what was taken away in Windows 7, while also providing some important improvements. MS could get every Windows 7 user who has been holding out to switch just by making relatively simple changes (e.g., bringing back full control on updates and providing much more customization of the interface). The slow adoption rate is purely Microsoft's fault. They could turn over a new leaf this year, and give Windows 7 users what they want, and most of us would switch over.

Windows 10

[Z80a]

Why are we celebrating that more than half of the windows boxes are infected by a terrible malware that attack via the windows update mechanism then proceeds to display Ads,add a very annoying search bar, track the user's every move and potentially can turn him into a bot, given how hard it is to disable it's ability to download updates?

Re:Windows 10

[Anonymous Coward]

We're not celebrating.

The person who wrote the summary might be, but given the phrasing, they're probably paid off. But I have yet to see a comment on this article here that says anything good about Windows 10. This is a common theme in most comment areas on the Internet - almost everyone who knows what they're talking about (and most of those who do not) hate Windows 10 for a wide variety of reasons, all of which Microsoft is intent on cramming down everyone's throats at any cost.

The fact that it took so long for Windows 7 to be overtaken should be a sign - people don't want Windows 10, and the only reason it has the market share it does is because of Microsoft yet again abusing their monopoly position.

Re:Windows 10

[blahplusplus]

Why are we celebrating that more than half of the windows boxes are infected by a terrible malware that attack via the windows update mechanism then proceeds to display Ads,add a very annoying search bar, track the user's every move and potentially can turn him into a bot, given how hard it is to disable it's ability to download updates?

The attack began 20 years ago with the rise of smart phones and drm'd games. Back when the videogame industry was pushing to get rid of game ownership by rebranding rpg's in development "MMO's". Everyone saw what kind of profits you could get from a locked down platform like android/iphone via apps + in app purchases. So the big plan is to turn the desktop PC into a locked down platform. Just like steam, mmo's and phones.

Re:Windows 10

[Anonymous Coward]

I have never seen a single "Ads" in Windows 10 ... well, that is not true exactly -- there was some crap from Nero that was popping up advertizing but I found that and killed the fucker -- I will never every spend money on a Nero product ever again, they are now on my "Do not ever buy or anything from these idiots" list.

I have never seen a "search bar" in Windows 10 ... let alone a "very annoying search bar" ...

I have never seen Windows 10 "track the users every move" though with the word "potentially" "might" "could" and "mayhaps" is usually the tool of small minds theorizing about something on which they have no concept. Stepping on an ant could cause the universe to explode. Same probability as "and potentially can turn him into a bot" however.

The Windows 10 Core OS is very good once you get rid of the crapfest that Microsoft has wrapped around it, but then all versions of Windows have always been thus -- the interface is designed by morons for use by morons and is festooned with annoying bloatware garbage that has to be disabled and removed. The crapfest just gets bigger and thicker every time they touch it (which is a couple of times a month).

Eventually Microsoft stops diddling with an OS and it becomes stable. That is apparently going to happen to Windows 7 soon.

Re:Windows 10

[Anonymous Coward]

Windows 7 got out of "mainstream support" many years back, in fact (January 13th 2015)
Too bad Windows Update doesn't work properly and wasn't fixed.

It could be a good enough, fixed OS when it goes "final" if run in an offline VM and if a software emulated virtual GPU runs (in e.g. Virtualbox 6.x?). There were many nice vid games before they started to require the Internet to function. I eventually lost my games to OS upgrades, malware, hardware failures, not enough RAM to run games while browser is running. Or perhaps I'll do a linux VM with Wine and software GPU, as silly as it sounds. No network access for the games (or for select ones in a cloned VM), a software GPU that always works, doesn't take over the whole screen and keyb/mouse input while resizing all my software to 640x480 in the background lol.

This news is almost as sad as Linux economics

[shanen]

I really think this is sad news. Now Microsoft can start wrecking Windows 10 to create demand for a new and "improved" OS. I think the only reason they gave free upgrades to Windows 10 was because of the fiasco of Windows XP. At least that's how it looked to Microsoft's accountants when people were basically satisfied with the OS and had no desire to upgrade.

In reality the OSes and the hardware have already surpassed our normal human needs. Yeah, in theory it's always nicer to do things a bit faster, but the computers have run away from our human perceptions. Opening a program in 20 ms makes no significant difference against 40 ms or even 1 ms.

Humans just don't care anymore. We have a good enough OS (and a fast enough computer and a powerful enough smartphone).

How do you create demand when the customers' real needs have been satisfied? By polishing things up and making good enough better? Or by using upgrades to break things?

One of my older machines has been having increasing troubles with Windows 10 over the last few months. The machine's hardware is still in pretty good shape (except for the DVD drive), but I predict things are going downhill from here, starting with the very next unneeded upgrade.

Re:This news is almost as sad as Linux economics

[Kjella]

I think that's a bit exaggerated, there's always new hardware and software standards like for example 10 years ago NVMe didn't exist. Sure, to the user it might look "the same" except much faster but a lot is changed under the hood. Same with new USB standards, WiFi standards and so on. I wouldn't mind Win10 if there was an off switch for most the features, the actual core is improved since Win7/8. It's everything else they do for business reasons that makes me dislike it.

Re:This news is almost as sad as Linux economics

[shanen]

So how much money do you want to spend to partake of a new standard? Or would you settle for a minor software upgrade at a much lower cost if Microsoft felt like offering it?

I actually hoped that Linux would follow that path, but now I feel like all my hopes and expectations for Linux were childish delusions. Corporate cancers rule and make the rules.

Re:This news is almost as sad as Linux economics

[Ravaldy]

Now Microsoft can start wrecking Windows 10 to create demand for a new and "improved" OS. I think the only reason they gave free upgrades to Windows 10 was because of the fiasco of Windows XP. At least that's how it looked to Microsoft's accountants when people were basically satisfied with the OS and had no desire to upgrade.

Opinion, not fact. We have Windows XP systems still kicking around. They aren't exposed to the internet for obvious reasons but they operate critical pieces of equipment. Runs on low spec hardware and doesn't crash. I can say the same of Windows 7 since we still have a number of workstations running here..

In reality the OSes and the hardware have already surpassed our normal human needs

That's a narrow view of the world and actually far from the truth. If all you do is youtube, spreadsheets and word then you're correct but otherwise you are simply WRONG. Virtualization and SSD are two very good reasons for advancements in OS. Windows 10 did good there. Additionally the OS was redesigned with multi device support in mind which if you ask developer, they'll tell you they love it (BTW, this reduces software cost and increase usability). There are also a number of significant changes for corporations running DCs so it's far from being a waste (If you don't know what a DC is then you clearly weren't in a position to comment on the OS).

You are clearly only speaking from your perspective which means it's just an uneducated opinion. Microsoft has already accepted it's lost the typical home user market to mobile devices which is why they focused their efforts on back-end and virtualization.

Re:This news is almost as sad as Linux economics

[shanen]

If I am so wrong, then why are you citing evidence to support my "opinion"? Perhaps you could clarify which part of your apparent self-contradiction is your actual opinion? Let me clarify that I am NOT criticizing you for your continued use of XP, but Microsoft is quite unhappy with bad (or "naughty"?) customers like you.

Anyway, if you don't understand my "considered opinions" (and want to), then you should feel free to ask for clarification. I would actually thank you for your support, but find that difficult until you clarify what you are trying to say. Alternatively, you could try to clarify where you think they are insufficiently considered, but that usually calls for some persuasive evidence against them.

I think it would be interesting to do a historical analysis of the discussions on Slashdot to see when they tilted away from productive and constructive. Perhaps such discussions were never in the majority and my memory is merely playing tricks on me. So many trolls, so little time.

Re:This news is almost as sad as Linux economics

[Ravaldy]

I didn't even come close to providing support for your opinion. On the opposite, it's an OS that has supported critical systems for 17 years. It's lack of support for security updates after 2014 is the only reason a technology leader would not leave it connected to a live network.

I think the issue is that you lack industry knowledge which in turn has you making large assumptions. It also sounds like you don't know what the life expectancy of an OS is.

FACT. When an OS reaches a certain age, it's core structure needs to change to adapt to the new technological realities. This is true of all OSes. Windows XP for example was the most successful OS ever produced in regards to adaptation and length of use. It was launched in 2001 and still occupies a small segment of the desktop market (although I would advise against at this point). The product was supported until April 2014. That's 13 years for an OS. There is no other OS that has that kind of track record for Desktop computers while continue to support new hardware.

I think it would be interesting to do a historical analysis of the discussions on Slashdot to see when they tilted away from productive and constructive. Perhaps such discussions were never in the majority and my memory is merely playing tricks on me. So many trolls, so little time.

If your benchmark for how good/bad an OS was is Slashdot, then I question your judgement.

Anyway, if you don't understand my "considered opinions" (and want to), then you should feel free to ask for clarification.

Actually, why don't you back your claims with facts. I can and have. The numbers presented above are readily available online with a simple "windows xp" lookup on google.

Re:This news is almost as sad as Linux economics

[shanen]

Seems like a pointless attempt at a discussion. If you made any sincere attempt to understand what I actually wrote, then I am unable to detect it. In fact, it now looks to me like you don't even understand what YOU wrote.

So here's the punchline. My REAL project just now is polishing up the final exam I am about to administer to some of the top computer science students in the country. At least they think so, and the university where I'm pinch-hitting has a pretty fancy reputation. I've supposedly spent an entire semester helping them learn how to write comprehensible and unambiguous technical papers and dissertations. In English, which is not the native language of any of the students. When I reviewed their personal linguistic histories, English was 3rd or 4th for some of the Chinese students... From the samples I've seen so far, I'm rather doubtful you could pass the course, even though I'm a pretty easy grader.

The students have also told me quite a bit about their research. That's coming on top of my 15 years supporting researchers in a high reputation lab for one of the big TLCs in the industry. I was mostly surprised by how many of the same old problems remain mostly unsolved and only occasionally surprised by the progress that's been made on a few of them. Even worse, it's clear that most of these students are smarter than I ever was (in spite of graduating from two top-ranked universities) and a few of them are quite probably geniuses.

Just for grins, I actually considered including the abstract of the arXiv article they have to deal with. I'd have wagered you couldn't make hide nor hair of it. One of the authors is an old friend and heavy mathematician with an Erdos number of 2. He spent about an hour explaining it to me a couple of months ago...

Perhaps my memory is failing me, but I think there was a time when visiting Slashdot didn't feel like slumming.

Re:This news is almost as sad as Linux economics

[Ravaldy]

I get it. You don't have counter arguments but you don't like MS so this is how you tangent from the comments you made.

At least now I know to ignore your comments as they unverified opinions and lack facts.

Economic models matter

[shanen]

My wife was actually quite satisfied with Windows 8, but about equally satisfied with Windows 10. There were even some people who thought Windows ME was okay. The important aspect is why Microsoft allows the quality of OSes to fluctuate so widely. My longer comment above focuses on the economics of creating demand under false pretenses and why we are now in trouble since the last good version (Windows 7) has been eclipsed by a new version (Windows 10), which I suspect (but I haven't seen the source code) is really just Windows 7 with "improvements" to make it more easily breakable with future upgrades.

Do I need to qualify my response? I've never purchased a Windows 10 computer (though I've advised on the purchase of some). All 2-1/2 of my Windows 10 machines were upgraded from Windows 7. Most of my Ubuntu machines were upgraded from Windows XP. My newest machine is actually a Mac, but I dislike Apple for other reasons... Not sure what I'm going to do the next time I am forced to buy a new machine. None of the above is not a viable option (and hoping I die first is even worse, though it solves the problem of viability).

Times up, so I bid you ADSAuPR, atAJG.

Not market share

[manu0601]

This should be "user base" instead of "market share", since what is measured is web site clients, and not anything sold.

Forced obsolescence

[nctritech]

New Win10 machines have ACPI 5.0 (or some AMD chips' AGESA with the same effect) which doesn't work with Windows 7 and no option to use the older styles. OR they have UEFI with no CSM or with CSM boot crippled. OR they have hardware for which drivers aren't being put out for Win7. OR they have hardware which Microsoft has decided is arbitrarily not allowed to run Win7 and does what they can to frustrate such usage via updates when a user is successful in installing it.

Yeah, what a shock. Hardware fails as it ages and must be replaced with new hardware. Your new OS is an objectively worse system all-around except for a few kernel/driver improvements (native XHCI and UAS and direct support for USB booting) that could easily have been backported and a few multi-monitor improvements, but it has that big fat milk teat called "Windows Store" that you can use to milk wallets in your own Apple-esque walled garden of bloated misaligned Electron-style apps. Do everything you possibly can to force people who need to get new hardware for any reason onto your new platform even though the old one is still supported for two more years and OF COURSE the market share will increase over time.

Windows 10 is an abomination. As soon as Bill Gates left the company, it all went to pot. Windows 7 was not perfect at all, but it's what I use whenever possible because the Windows 8+ era took all the fundamentals of proper user interface design and chucked them right out the window in favor of a UI race to the bottom that functions everywhere and is useful nowhere.

Worse yet, you have these brats that think all that glitters is gold that listen to someone like me going off about Windows 10 and declare that I'm just mad because I can't keep up and that I need to get with the times and that Windows 10 is feature-packed ooh shiny awesome stuff and I have no idea what I'm talking about. Tell you what, junior: open a File Explorer window, find a folder eight levels deep on your C: drive, and bang out the keyboard shortcut to make a new folder. I'll time you. Wait, you don't know any keyboard shortcuts and what's a folder and why do I own a 3D printed save icon? Get off my lawn and go back to your shitty tablet.

Re:Forced obsolescence

[Anonymous Coward]

Same with laptops which are shipped with Win8 preinstalled. You can never install 32bit or 64bit XP. These greedy companies just wanted to see ROI by destroying old solid tech. Now I won't be surprised if new laptops with preinstalled Win10 won't run let alone install Win7.

F Win 10

[speedlaw]

The largest effect a W10 install has had on me is to make me more of a Mac person...I had to do some updates, etc on a W10 machine, what a POS. Under three layers of crap lie the win 7 panels, but you have to find them. I hope Apple doesn't blow it, or I'll have nowhere to go

Re:Groove, Cortana, Ad crapware cannot be removed

[Anonymous Coward]

User should be able to uninstall Cortana, Groove, Xbox, etc just like any other software (microsoft disables uninstall for these). The Ads are live tiles. The average user does not have the skills, or know, that they can jump through hoops to get rid of this crap.

Re:Groove, Cortana, Ad crapware cannot be removed

[Anonymous Coward]

Turn off live tiles to get rid of the ads

Re:Groove, Cortana, Ad crapware cannot be removed

[LynnwoodRooster]

I guess you didn't follow the 2nd link? It's about removal - not just disabling - Groove. And it's a process that applies to Cortana and pretty much everything else.

And in other news ...

[Anonymous Coward]

... communism is making a comeback.

Reason: They won't sell Windows 7

[Anonymous Coward]

The two reasons for this "success":

(1) People cannot buy Windows 7 even if they wanted to!

(2) New devices have Windows 10 pre-installed... And, again, (1).

If (2) is factored out, and people migrating from Windows 7 to Linux is counted, then that's the meaningful story.

I simply cannot believe how hard Microsoft sold out with Windows 10. Telemetry, uploading of Cortana interactions and tablet/keyboard entry, advertising, forced updates -- all incredibly disrespectful of people. They clearly have decided to coast on the inertia of the Windows operating system users until they reach the most ignorant and procrastinating market -- while turning their attention to more profitable ventures (like the cloud). Very sad. I know people say that businesses have a duty to their shareholders to make as much money as possible, but this anti-social behavior is just so wrong for humanity. Of course Microsoft is not alone with such exploitation of people, but this does not excuse them.

"Make a Wheel" per SANS (I did, so can you)

[Anonymous Coward]

"Make a Wheel" per SANS (I did, so can you) https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

* I'm pursuing that VERY THING in an area "out of my comfort zone" (as the article alludes to, just as I did from Win32/64 to Linux 64) into MacOS 64-bit next (via my new Mac-Mini I am kicking on tomorrow via FreePascal & Lazarus IDE for it).

APK

P.S.=> THERE's YOUR IDEA - & it's Didier Stevens idea from that SANS article that I've literally BEEN doing for a year++ now porting my hosts engine across major Personal Computer OS platforms... apk

Untrue, not same (I used both extensively)... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

OS/2 was different & didn't have a 'registry' (well, kind of but not same in ".ini" files BUT NOT TEXT like Windows ones, these were BINARY format iirc (Faster reads that way, & smart but not simple to work with like text)) & configured via config.sys (like DOS) & though NT had a DOS 'subsystem', OS/2 was the one that had a "better DOS than DOS" (both could run multiple instances but iirc, NT has to have a reg setting for SEPARATING Win16 instances into diff. memspace - OS/2 did that off the bat for Win16 subsystem BUILT-INTO it (literally Windows 3.1)). The Workplace Shell OS/2 desktop was a TRUE OOP type desktop - IF I had to describe Win9x or NT? I'd call theirs an "Object Request Broker" @ most/best.

REXX was a scripting language I felt was a LOT MORE POWERFUL than NT had in DOS batchfiles too.

HPFS was the 'default filesystem' (or FAT) on OS/2 - NTFS was on NT (the latter is better though).

I used OS/2 2.0 - 2.1 & Warp 3 (still have the boxes for them all here, staring @ them now) as last ones I used though - things changed since then? Some, in "internetability" (for lack of a better expression)

* I don't mean to "bust your balls" - BUT they were QUITE different (& a lot of what you stated is "right on" though).

(It's been literally 24++ yrs. since I used it last but I should be FAIRLY ACCURATE above (if not, anyone can feel free to correct me/re-enlighten me/refresh me)).

I liked OS/2 a LOT - never got to develop on it though (I was mainly only a rookie programmer back then & didn't have the 'chops' to use Watcom C++ or Borland C++ for OS/2 then (I was still learning & doing character mode/tty term/DOS programs ONLY then, GUI came a year later or so circa 1992-1994 iirc for me (@ least to the point I could say I was 'fairly proficient' @ it)).

APK

P.S.=> REPOST vs. WHIPSLASH DELETING THIS POST which was +4 INFORMATIVE rated https://tech.slashdot.org/comm... ... apk

Windows 10 Fail

[Anonymous Coward]

Microsoft aggressively pushes Windows 10 onto my Windows 7 machine without my permission, and you call that a milestone? How many of those people actually wanted Windows 10, or were tricked into installing it?

Re:Windows 10 Fail

[Anonymous Coward]

If you are working for Microsoft, it's your fault too, have backup plan and leave that shiite greedy, disrespectful, pile of junk now.

Re:They could still make it great, or at least bet

[Anonymous Coward]

Will not happen as this is a grant plan to switch people to rent a software, only if it's backfire big time we will see any improvements..

Re:Windows sucks but at least it's not Android

[Anonymous Coward]

IOS = Lower IQ

Latest

[Anonymous Coward]

Latest, sure... But not greatest.

Re:Groove, Cortana, Ad crapware cannot be removed

[jwhyche]

Unfortunately, windows 10 includes crap ware like Groove, Cortana, Ads that cannot be uninstalled

All of which can be turned off, uninstalled, or other wise neutered in the windows 10 pro version. I know this because I have done it. Well I did turn cortana back on after awhile. She is kind of useful when you take the time to figure her out. Even the "spy wear" those of you of the tin foil cap like to grouse about can be turned off.

At least in the pro version of windows 10. I think if you get the home version certain things cant be turned off because that is the trade off for getting a cheaper version.

Re:Groove, Cortana, Ad crapware cannot be removed

[jwhyche]

I believe the ads he is talking about are what windows calls "suggestions." They appeared to me as "suggestions" on the windows menu. But lets be honest, they are ads and not suggestions. They where also successfully eviscerated with a few clicks.

Re:Untrue, not same (I used both extensively)... a

[Anonymous Coward]

Go cry some more about your bullshit being deleted you big gay baby.

Windows 7/10 Spied it's way to the top.

[Anonymous Coward]

Telemetry was forced in to Windows 7 helping Microsoft figure out way to force the unwitting user to Windows 10. This allowed for native Telemetry with expanded capabilities to flourish and Microsoft seizing control of all users brain functions (And balls). This user-hating platform allows not only for Microsoft to spy on users, but installs unwanted software, contains an evil advertising ID and forces the user to identify them selves to install software from the evil store.

Microsoft has seized control. Soon you won't be able to take a piss without them knowing about it.

Public masturbation of 2621787

[shanen]

Z^-1