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A Hole Opens Up Under Antarctic Glacier -- Big Enough To Fit Two-Thirds of Manhattan (nbcnews.com)
Scientists have discovered an enormous void under an Antarctic glacier, sparking concern that the ice sheet is melting faster than anyone had realized -- and spotlighting the dire threat posed by rising seas to coastal cities around the world, including New York City and Miami. From a report: The cavity under Thwaites Glacier in West Antarctica is about six miles long and 1,000 feet deep -- representing the loss of 14 billion tons of ice. It was discovered after an analysis of data collected by Italian and German satellites, as well as NASA's Operation IceBridge, a program in which aircraft equipped with ice-penetrating radar fly over polar regions to study the terrain. The discovery is described in a paper published Jan. 30 in the journal Science Advances. The researchers expected to see significant loss of ice, but the scale of the void came as a shock.
So much for my Fortress of Solitude.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Wasn't this the proposed theme to Iron Sky 2. Hint: It's Lizard people living down there below Antarctica.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Quit flying planes over it then!
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Stop Building there!
PLENTY of available land in Colorado!
So, there's less ice than we thought and the rise in sea levels has not been as severe as we thought for the amount of ice that has melted. How is this not a positive thing?
It's a UFO hanger, guaranteed.
When the scientific establishment calls for relocation policies that encourage colonization of "flyover country" in the US by the coastal population.
I'm perfectly willing to accept the possibility that "global warming" is happening, but until the discussion is "it's happening, but why" and all "whys" are entertained including "we have no control, move in with the Hillbillies if you don't want to drown" I'm not going to give much credence to the fearmongering because skin in the game determines the degree of commitment one has.
How many football fields is two thirds of a Manhattan?
Good job on that straw man.
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i won't understand how much unless you tell me in Libraries of Congress !
I'm asking a serious question here, help me understand how this is possible...
The melting is at the BOTTOM of the glacier, where the effects of climate change are at the absolute lowest, being isolated from the air above by many feet of ice, snow and other stuff. Plus, the ice that's now melted was frozen and buried centuries ago. Plus, this is now a void, so one presumes that the conductive water flowing between the rocks below and the ice above is gone.
How is this due to global warming?
Seems to me that this void would be from the earth below is warmer at this spot than in others... But that's geothermal changes, not climate change. Is that wrong? If so, how do we know what caused this?
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You are willfully ignorant, and it is clear you never even read the article.
In the article, they explain that the retreat of the glacier and the sinking of the surface are explained by the interior melting. The landscape is changing, and it stands to reason that something is causing these changes. Thanks to ground penetrating radar, we know what.
If you believe the void within the glacier was there the entire time, then you have to explain why the glacier is only retreating now and why the surface has just started sinking. So, I guess I'll be waiting for your publication.
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Can't deny it any longer.
Chewbacon
The Bible is like Wikipedia: written by a bunch of people and verifiable by questionable sources.
Hey hey hey, you do realize you're calling into question their religion.
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A STEAM education makes you think you should install a valve system.
I thought it was the other way 'round.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Then that is less water to fill the oceans that cause sea rise. win win!
Um, they watched the void grow over the past three years. Most of the melting has occurred in that timespan. Find another sandpile to stick your head in.
The problem is there is a bunch of hot, arable land that will be rendered unusable. Because of the shape of the earth, humanity as a whole is likely to lose more territory than it gains, and that is without taking into account coastal flooding.
Finally a place we can stick Manhattan! I kid, but no really let's do it!
Now we just need a hole big enough for New Jersey (obvious jokes aside).
As an ice age species, we have a vested interest in not accelerating the rate of change. Absolutely the glaciers are going to melt. We need to adapt, but we need to buy time too. The changes at play are much bigger than you're imagining.
Do these morons think that if humans had never graced the face of the Earth that these glaciers would never ever melt for all of time?
The glaciers are going to melt, because their existence is cyclical, as the very same climate "scientists" will tell you. There are well-established periods of glaciation followed by well-established periods of pole-to-pole tropics.
THE GLACIERS ARE GOING TO MELT WITH OR WITHOUT HUMAN ACTIVITY.
This means that human contributions to climate are COMPLETELY FUCKING IMMATERIAL.
We should be focusing our energy on adaptation rather than obstinate refusal to go along with mother nature. We could spend the sum total of human wealth on trying to stop it, only to buy ourselves maybe a couple hundred years, or we can just adapt.
Say what? Human contribution is, of course, completely material.
If you put an ice cube on the kitchen counter, it will melt. If you take a flame to it, it will melt much faster. But according to you, the flame is immaterial. Besides, the glaciers formed naturally many years ago. So assuming they will melt regardless does not really make sense. I'd advise you to work on your own reasoning skills before calling people morons.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
So let's all move under the ozone hole in Antarctica.
Nope, Colorado is full. you idiots from SoCal came and parked in the fucking left lane of the interstate. That and you went to escape the cost of living down there, and brought your retarded politics to run up the cost of living here.
"representing the loss of 14 billion tons of ice."
So they KNOW for a fact that ice has always been there? Or are we just assuming it was there because we did not find this until now? There are a lot of assumptions going on here... and because of the "Cult of Global Warming" it is now impossible have have responsible discussion.
Was the ice there before? Why is that information not being provided? Oh wait... I get it... just like people of faith are required to accept the existence of their Gods, the GW Cult expects all the deniers to take what they think on faith too!
Science these days is starting to require more faith than many religions.
This post is unintentionally hilarious. It is indeed impossible to have a responsible discussion, when one side of it doesn't even bother to know the facts. If you had read the article you would know that the researchers have been watching the area for years and have recorded an increase in the size of the void. How can you expect to be taken seriously when you can't be bothered to do some basic research?
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
...if only it WOULD take 2/3 of Manhattan.
Can we order up one about Washington DC sized?
If this is the outcome of warming, I'm not going to really be upset?
-Styopa
We live in an era where people decide what's true or not beforehand.
I'm an old fart. I remember when the climate scientists were starting to give out warnings. They talked about crazy weather, more extremes and melting glaciers and ice caps and the environmental and economic problems associated with that.
I think US conservatives do not understand how our economy is tied to the environment. The Chinese do. And their autocratic state allows for the leadership to override the ignorance of the populace - to a point. (No, I am not saying Chinese government is better than democracies. Just stating fact - for those of you who need this clarification.)
If you want examples, just look at anything to do with water in the USA. Farmers, fishermen (toxic run-off from a coal miner affects fisheries and the fishing industry as does oil drillers. B2B Environmental Lawsuits.)
The "Green Revolution" will create a technological revolution that will rival the Moon shots of the 60's or the Cold War weapons tech.
Let's face it, fossil fuels is old technology. It's horribly inefficient, deadly, and costly.
I want to upgrade to new tech: green tech.
This news is very serious and very bad, but I spit my coffee when I saw the first four words, which I of course misread as:
A-Hole Opens Up
Indeed there are climate cycles. This should be the cooling part of the cycle.
So I ran some numbers...void is approximately 14 square kilometers (which is pretty big for us humans). Spread over the 362 million square kilometers of ocean, it works out to about the thickness of a human hair. Go figure.
Lost in space at an early age. Survived the vacuum. Now rebuilding castle in air.
The hole is big enough to contain two thirds of Manhattan?! EVERYONE has to admit this is pretty fucking bad.
The hole needs to be at least 50% larger!
It's best to understand this by looking at a globe rather than a Mercator projection, and take into account that even though Canada and Siberia are big, Africa is huge. And not everyone in Canada and Siberia will want people from places where crops don't grow moving there. Some parts of the USA may even be less hospitable for crops.
But, there is already to much man-made trash in the oceans.
Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki
Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
- Upton Sinclair
Google melting ice in a microwave. The experiments show that the ice doesn't actually melt that fast, if at all. The reason all of them point to is that the microwave causes the water molecules to vibrate which then causes friction that heats up the material. But ice is a solid so the molecules don't vibrate. The melting you do see is most likely due to being exposed to the open air and picking up residual heat from the environment.
Not at all what I expected, but it makes sense if you think about it. Either way I'm going to test it myself tonight when I get home.
Can you imagine standing on the surface of the ice when it gave way? That would be one hell of a sight and a crazy ride down to the bottom.
True.
False. We are in an ice age, you know, and have been for millions of years. There has been permanent ice at the north pole for the last ±2.5 million years and longer than that at the south pole.
I get that this is an important find but I have trouble believing the hype that this means that we are about to have a 2m rise in sea level - at the very least there seem to be some additional assumptions being made before that conclusion is reached. Indeed, if climate models can be so significantly affected by one unexpected find under one glacier then doesn't this suggest that the models have significant uncertainties? This is the real problem I have with the climate change discussion. One side of the media is trying to portray it as the end of the world while the other camp is trying to present it as nothing to worry about at all.
The reality is clearly somewhere but as a scientist, but not a climate scientist, I find it almost impossible to filter out the true signal from the wild exaggerations on either side so I can figure out exactly how much we should be worrying. This concerns me because if someone ever does come up with a real "apocalyptic" indicator (or a "it's not so bad" indicator) I doubt many will believe it.
Maybe you'll find answers in the paper. Did you try reading it ?
Until someone actually puts 2/3rds of Manhattan in that hole, I refuse to believe it.
This is what happens if you don't brush your glacier.
dont have kids, problem solved.
but wherever the a-hole is comfortable, I guess.
Ever notice a "denier" makes a simple common sense statement, and then the AGW "priests" come along...
No. But I have noticed that denialists like to change the subject when confronted with facts.
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If it is a hole big enough to fit two-thirds of Manhattan, it raises the obvious question. Where should we put the other third?
A hotter world is a wetter world. Already data shows since the 1970s as the world has got warmer rain in the Shara has increased and the edges are now scrubland instead of pure desert. Also famines in Africa have gone down since the 1980s as a hotter world is leading to more rain in Africa.
Global Warming may suck for Britain and Northern Europe as the Guf Stream will switch off and these places will be frozen wastelands but there are areas like Canada, Siberia which will be warmer and areas like Tibet, Sahara, Australia which will be wetter hence increasing the amount of arable land.
We can adapt to Global Warming as long as we are willing to have immigration.
Anti Global Warming folks are basically from countries which have a good climate today and dont want to share their prosperity or from countries who will have warmer climates but dont want browner people to come over there.
**Life is too short to be serious**
Yes please hurry up Manhattan is in the middle of some very expensive real estate.
Wait, you mean mining all those bitcoins wasn't useful?
Bitcoin is staging a massive recovery now you mention it.
no its not you idiot
That question, by the way, is actually a modern invention. There is no evidence it was ever debated by the Scholastics.
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Where are you getting the 333 J/g? Just melting 0 degree celcius ice to water takes 419 J/g, and you need 4.186 joules for every degree you raised each gram of ice to get to 0 in the first place.
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