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Apple Plans To Launch an 'All-New' 16-inch MacBook Pro and 32-inch 6K Monitor This Year, Says Report (theverge.com)
Apple is planning an "all-new" MacBook Pro design for this year, well-connected analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has said. From a report: The lineup is reportedly led by a model with a screen of between 16 and 16.5 inches, which would make it the biggest screen in a Mac notebook since the 17-inch models stopped being sold in 2012. Kuo says the lineup may also include a 13-inch model with support for 32GB of RAM; right now only the 15-inch MacBook Pro can be configured with that amount of memory.
[...] More interestingly, Kuo has the first credible details of the external monitor that will mark Apple's return to the pro display market. It's said to be a 31.6-inch 6K display with a "Mini LED-like backlight design." Apple discontinued its last monitor, the Thunderbolt Display, back in 2016; right now the best option for owners of more modern Macs is the Apple-sanctioned but imperfect 27-inch LG UltraFine 5K.
[...] More interestingly, Kuo has the first credible details of the external monitor that will mark Apple's return to the pro display market. It's said to be a 31.6-inch 6K display with a "Mini LED-like backlight design." Apple discontinued its last monitor, the Thunderbolt Display, back in 2016; right now the best option for owners of more modern Macs is the Apple-sanctioned but imperfect 27-inch LG UltraFine 5K.
Neat! I gave up on Apple making serious hardware years ago. I get my *nix meets met via Virtualbox on Windows on *any* size laptop with *any* amount of RAM and *any* size hard drive I want, thanks.
I don't respond to AC's.
I have long awaited the return of the 17" Macbook Pro ever since Apple stopped selling them - mine is still used to this day every day for work in my house.
The 15" I have been using primarily is fine as it has the same resolution, but I really missed the physically larger screen of the 17".
With Apple's reduction in bezel sizes the new 16" should have about the same screen size as the old 17" in a slightly smaller form factor.
The only downside to having a larger laptop is a surprising number of bags or laptop compartments are optimized for the 15" laptops, and may not even fit a larger laptop - maybe the 16" can squeeze into a few bags the 17" could not.
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I'm really surprised that VMWare doesn't make their own laptop with a VMWare hyperviser in firmware. Basically, boot into any OS you want, and backup the entire stack to the cloud.
Life is not for the lazy.
The MacBook Pro Pro. Starting at $3999.
I miss the days when minor new features and upgraded components were part of a normal product refresh and didn't justify a new name and pricing tier.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
Does "Support for 32GB of RAM" mean you can plug in two 16GB modules, or does it just mean that you can pay 3x the street price of the RAM extra to buy a laptop with it soldered to the motherboard?
Even the automakers didn't weld their wheels on to keep for from changing tires.
And just what Mac will be able to run such a thing without having shedloads of problems?
If you use DisplayPort from any modern TB3 Mac, you can drive any 4k display at 60FPS.
I never had any issues even using my older 2013 MacBook Pro (with discreet GPU) on an LG 4k monitor using DisplayPort adaptors. Certainly no flickering.
Not that I'm saying Apple couldn't stand to improve GPU drivers, mind you. Just saying there are ways to use 4K displays more reliably.
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It will be the glued-shut, no-port, soldered-everything version of the old 17" MacBook Pro
That seems very unlikely given what they did with the iMac Pro, and even the MacBook Pro updates - more ports and some flexibility in expansion.
I am even fine with all USB-C ports, as long as there's four or so. In a larger form factor they will probably include more ports.
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TB3 can't drive 6K so what is there plan there?
Full DP 1.5 port?
HDMI 2.1?
Display with build in video card (linked by pci-e X4 over TB3) at a cost of $1500-$2000?
No wired network is a killer in some settings.
And no updates at all after 1-2 years? no put it on a small pci-e ssd.
>planned obsolescence
Really? My 2014 macbook pro still runs like a champ.
Will we see a return to the non craptacular keyboards that don't let dust freak them out?
If no, then I'll continue to stick with my aging 2015 Macbook Pro. No reason to ever upgrade until they either change the style of keyboard or revert back to a design that works.
Steve Jobs is clearly turning in his grave at what has become of Apple.
We don't even have true HD in most cases and you think there is going to be 8K content.
I hate to break it to you but that's not how screen sizes are measured.
True, I forgot that was really referring to screen size and not the laptop dimensions itself
Still should have a decently larger physical display in a substantially smaller physical package than the older 17".
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I have been a hard core OpenBSD developer and user for two decades but this laptop has me and many of my colleges drooling. A huge number of us will be making the switch permanently to Apple and at this point I see no reason to ever consider any other product. Apple absolutely rules when it comes to technology.
I moved on this week. Literally, just placed my order on a Lenovo X1E after using a Macbooks professionally for almost 20 years.
A 15" Macbook Pro actually has a 15.4" diagonal screen (16:10 aspect ratio, vs 15.6" 16:9 aspect ratio for most PC laptops). So you're going to be hard-pressed to tell the difference between a 16" and the existing 15" model. A 16.0" screen would have 16^2 / 15.4^2 = 1.07944 or just 8% more screen area than the 15". Most people won't be able to tell them apart unless they're side-by-side. A 16.5" screen would have 16.5^2 / 15.4^2 = 1.148 or 15% more screen area than the 15", which might be noticeable.
By contrast, the 17" model (17.0" 16:10 aspect ratio, vs 17.3" 16:9 aspect ratio for most PC laptops) was 17^2 / 15.4^2 = 1.2186 or 22% more screen area than the 15", which is definitely noticeable.
You need 8k three feet from your face? Do you have a Borg implants?
Can I get some?
Wharrr. Wharrr pro tower?
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your next app at 6K.
Got the needed GPU?
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
4K for the 4K video.
The extra 2K is for the software to place its GU to work on the 4K video.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
so an $1000 GPU vs an $500 GPU for that 8K at apple pricing.
also 8K content will cost a lot on apple over priced SSD's as well.
Heh, 16 millimetres is sub-micropenis territory, and 16 inches is just going to hurt her cervix, but 16 centimetres is a respectable length. You know what they say though - it ain't the size of the boat, it's the motion of the ocean.
I understand the most recent Macbook pro has more modular components and ports, suggesting they are responding to criticism of the glued together, fake pro direction they had been taking. Is it an inflection point in design philosophy after burning the goodwill they created for pro users?
Not a fan boy, but typing this on a 2009 17 inch MB pro that has been used every day for the last decade and still works like new. Possibly the best machine I have owned of ANY kind. That level of quality earns loyalty. It was assumed they would never again make a laptop larger than 15 inches because the profit margins are too small. Selling a loss leader product to command respect from the pros is the kind of strategy they displayed when Jobs ran the show. Could be a good sign.
(But not holding my breath.)
Neat! ... Windows ...
HERETIC!!!
Monitors and laptops are hardly new for Apple.
A company of that size should be diversifying, before they find it is too late, and they implode like Kodak, Nokia or Xerox.
Sony and IBM may not have their former glory, but are still alive and making big money. As well as diversifying, they actually did basic research and genuine innovation. Why doesn't Apple?
Apple makes wonderful products, don't get me wrong, but the closest they have ever come to an original invention is probably the App Store.
Quick Survey. did anyone ask for?
Here is what was on my list:
Better keyboard
Option for Touch Screen
Better Repairability (See Louis Rossman, easy to replace keyboard and battery)
Better Upgradability (Not Soldered in HDD and RAM)
Better Water Resistance
Return of the MagSafe
More Ports on the Pro Model including a classic USB3.0 port
eGPU Options for High End Cards with Plug N Play
Now that would actually be a lovely idea - *if* it used a standard PC video-card slot so that you could easily upgrade the GPU in the future. Somehow though I suspect that's not the case.
I have the same basic objection to "all-in-one" PCs - a good monitor is worth investing in, and will likely outlast many PCs - unless you integrate the two, and generate a huge additional stream of trash as the fast-evolving tech goes predictably obsolescent, taking a perfectly good screen with it.
Even if you've got the money to burn, and upgrade your monitor as often as your PC, consigning a high-quality monitor to an early grave rather than many years of cherished second-hand value should hurt your heart. It's wanton wealth-destruction.
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Good choice, the Dell XPS has weak body construction.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
I work with iOS and the only reason I have a Macbook is because of that. I tried going Mac-only at home and I lasted about 6 months before I went back to PCs where I could get software I wanted besides graphic design apps.
Every time I see a pitch for Apple's next "oooh" product, it's like getting an email from the car dealership who ripped you off on that jalopy you just sold at a loss.
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
Lots of content is generated at 4K - and judging from the number of 8K cameras at CES, there will be a lot of 8K content as well. Netflix and cable will still dither it down to 1080p (at best), but for the content creators - you need an 8K screen to edit your 8K video.
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Except that he won't be able to source the parts.
The above post mirrored my sentiments, but i would add in just one thing.
Can we get off the thinner fetish and make the machine thick enough where it can cool itself properly?
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Words of a guy who never got much shore leave.
Stability? Works out of the box? Productivity? I'm done futzing around trying to get Linux to work on a laptop
I'd gladly take an upgradable Windows laptop over a non-upgradable MacBook these days. Both are just as stable. With most PCs you get an upgradable system at a lower price. Apple's vision of the future is to make the landfill as big as it can be while charging the customer twice as much as their competitors.
No wired network is a killer in some settings.
I agree. What bothers me is the increasing lack of Ethernet ports and no support for an inexpensive alternative. All it would take is the small step of support for USB to USB networking with a passive cable. This was written in the USB spec 10 years ago, but it seems few people bothered to implement it. It's in section 5.5.2 of the USB 3.0 whitepaper.
https://www.usb3.com/whitepape...
Apple doesn't have this problem because they have USB-C ports on all new computers and support networking over a passive cable by use of the Thunderbolt protocol. An inexpensive passive cable will connect two Apple computers at 10 Gbps. A wired network does not necessarily mean Ethernet.
I guess if Apple supported this kind of connection with USB 3.0 it might go just as fast, and be able to connect to any computer with a USB-A port with a widely available an inexpensive USB-A to USB-C cable, but then the other computer would have to support this as well. There's little incentive by Apple to support this if Windows and Linux can't be bothered to support a direct PC to PC connection by USB.
Oh, and if you really needed to have Ethernet to connect by a wire to another computer then there's all kinds of adapters out there for this. Given the increasing scarcity of Ethernet ports on new Windows computers, especially laptops and tablets, the need for such an adapter is shared with Apples. But, again, I can connect two new Apple computers together at 10 Gbps with a $10 cable I can get at most any Best Buy, Wal-Mart, or whatever. I can't do this with Windows or Linux, or at least I haven't seen it yet.
I'd like to be able to do the same with Windows and Linux. Why after 10 years has no one bothered to read the USB spec and implement a very useful wired connection between PCs? Seems to me that there would be no hardware limitation for this, all we need is the software. Has no third party read this either and seen the possibilities?
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>apple could care less
So they care more?
I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
I've got a LapLink cable you can have:)
It's an 'all-new' Apple, so they won't renew the connectors, they'll just invent new ones. Proprietory, never-seen-before, custom, Apple-licensed connectors that require a 'new generation of peripherals' that conform to a new standard that lasts 24 months.
New law: Any consumable part must be user replaceable, e.g. batteries.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
can you believe those apple fans?
unless it's a screen with an apple logo on it, it's imperfect.
only a real apple thunderbolt display will do!
pure lunacy
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Laplink over Thunderbolt. There is a good idea...
The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
I am pretty sure your local red light district will have an establishment that caters to your needs
The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
No wired network is a killer in some settings.
Do you think these use cases are ones Apple actually gives a shit about? For those who care there are USB-C and Thunderbolt docking stations available and they work fine. Personally I'm with you and would rather have a 8P8C ethernet port built in but clearly I'm not the customer Apple is courting.
Another Macbook Pro - with even fewer ports!
It's such a rarity these days that a (laugh all you want) dongle works good enough.
Sager/Clevo just released a line of 16.1" screens in the same chassis as their previous 15.6" models. They just reduced the size of the bezel. This isn't a massive step forward, exactly.
So is my 2013 model. And I schlep it around every single day
The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
Also glued-in keyboards that feel horrible and die at the end of the warranty period.
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The IBorgEye is planned for 2021. Only monoscopic in v1.0. V2 will be Stereo
You should check the specs. NASA is planning to replace Hubble with a few astronauts with these puppies. Can see to the edge of the universe.
And v3 can do IR and UV
The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
Margins are thin and even if you just get a Chinese OEM to build the laptop for you, you still have to provide on-going support for it. There probably just isn't enough money in it, especially with the relatively small volumes they would be selling, and when the competition is someone like Lenovo with world-wide support coverage and established business relationships.
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Air doesn't like to make the right-angled turns required from a thin laptop. Apple will likely not produce a notebook computer with the big heatsinks and power brick necessary for serious work. A small heatsink is fine when you apply an occasional Photoshop filter, or nudge something in a CAD program, but when it comes time to export video, or animate something, render something, or compile something, or run a solver, then a computer needs proper cooling.
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5K was useful for pros who do 4K video editing, to have room for a UI around the video. But the next mastering size is 8K. I don't see what the point of 6K is except "it's one bigger".
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Not having read the spec myself, I have one simple question: Is it an optional feature? If yes, then there is your answer. Manufacturers want to say they provide USB support, but they want to put the minimum effort into it, so they will only do the bare minimum.
Also, with USB-C there is no such thing as passive cables anymore. Literally every single cable needs to be active to negotiate capabilities with the host device. Why TF this needs to happen on the cable and not between the host and target devices is beyond me, but that's how it is AFAIK.
USB-C is the single most idiotic, consumer-unfriendly "standard" produced in a very long time.
That's one of the things I miss about Firewire: being able to run a standard cable between two PC's and getting a network link. No fuss, no special cables, nothing. And at the time it was faster than using ethernet.
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
There were a couple of attempts by different companies to make client-side type 1 hypervisors a thing but they never caught on.
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
I can just see the commercials. But they get it backwards. A 32-inch Macbook Pro, and a 16-inch 6K monitor.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
Slightly lighter than my Macbook Pro and is being immediately wiped and having Linux installed. I will enjoy.
I replaced a glued in keyboard on my daughter's Macbook Air last month. It was a MASSIVE pain in the ass and took two hours, but the total cost was $50 vs the $700 that the Apple Store was going to charge for it.
Don't spill nail polish remover on your keyboards, people.
The keyboard and overall build quality is lightyears better than the current generation for that matter.
Macs do support 5k/60Hz, you are right that you use thunderbolt but only insofar as you need to get a thunderbolt3 to dual DisplayPort adaptor.
Since from that adaptor you can use DisplayPort, you can use any 5k monitor that has DisplayPort. Some may require both DisplayPort cables to be connected (see first link I posted as it talks a little about that).
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Apple can launch whatever they want. I will NEVER buy anything overpriced from them. Never had, never will. No wonder they are losing sales and sales year after year.
My guess it's probably related to OEM pricing, you can use "any" OS but Apple doesn't license OS X and Microsoft is sure to put some clauses requiring it to boot Windows natively and exclusively to get the best price. After all Microsoft has their own virtualization technology and is a direct competitor plus they don't want to give any other OS a foothold, like I've never seen any OEM offer dual-boot. Even if they can't formally do it because of anti-trust I'm sure anyone who did would be put on the unofficial shit list. And if you're doing Linux-on-Linux virtualization there are better options...
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Serious question: What software *can't* you get for Mac? About five years ago, I worked in an MS Office environment where no one knew I was using Pages, Numbers or, in a pinch, NeoOffice/LibreOffice. I used OmniGraffle for Visio needs. Nowadays, I do embedded development for Cortex chips using MCUXpresso natively on the Mac. When I was playing with the nvidia Jetson platform, it needed a Linux environment to perform the firmware updates, but I was able to run a Linux instance under VirtualBox for that. I use CrossOver to run some Windows app for programming Digi XBee chips. I understand The Gimp isn't exactly "soup" for replacing Photoshop, so that's a possibility.
So, again, what software can't you get for Mac?
of course 4K is also more pixels than you eye has, so having room for editing controls around such a video is hilarious... unless said video going to be used in circumstance where people were going to be looking at sections of it at a time. for a monitor or movie screen it's an absurdity, wasted.
I know Laplink still sells transfer cables, they have a USB 3.0 version for $50. https://web.laplink.com/cables...
At that price I'd be better off buying a couple USB to Ethernet adapters and an Ethernet cable. That would be faster, possibly cheaper, not require any drivers (or at least none not easily obtained), and still offer the ability to breakup this "home brew Laplink" to connect a couple computers to an Ethernet network.
By looking hard enough I was able to find someone selling a passive, and USB 3.0 compliant, USB-A to USB-A cable for about $15. https://www.datapro.net/produc...
The warning on the DataPro webpage indicates that this cable will not support networking or file transfer with Windows, macOS, or Linux. Well, why not? Clearly this is supported in the USB spec and Microsoft provides debugging on this cable with some registry editing. Apple seemed to figure out how to write the software needed for networking on a passive cable for Thunderbolt, Firewire, Ethernet, and going all the way back to serial ports with LocalTalk. Seems to me that they are more than halfway there with the hardware and software, they need only to take those last few steps to take this from the realm of superusers to the everyday.
I can understand why Apple doesn't support direct USB to USB networking. First, they support higher speeds on other ports. Second, there's a lot of non-compliant USB cables floating about and they likely don't want to be held responsible for someone burning up their laptop over this. Third, without support from other manufacturers and OS publishers there's no real market for it.
Let's ignore the USB-A to USB-A aspect of this for a moment. I should be able to connect a couple computers together with a USB-A to USB-C cable, or USB-C to USB-C cable, and do more than charge up a laptop battery. There is a data connection there, all we need is the software to transfer some data. Given that Ethernet ports are disappearing from computers, and USB-C is taking their place, one would think that a computer manufacturer would want to assure that the ability to make a fast and direct connection to another computer was maintained. Well, I mean, besides just Apple.
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wrong, Distance and size irrelevant to the truth of my statement. If the whole screen is in view, it pointless to have more pixels on screen than there are in the eye. There is no way for you to distinguish more than one pixel on the screen focused on one pixel in the eye.
You have false statistic, the eye has only 2M "pixels", that's 6M cones divided by the 3 color types.
You are the one making false and meaningless statements, the science of the situation is as I have stated.
Oh, and if you really needed to have Ethernet to connect by a wire to another computer then there's all kinds of adapters out there for this.
I've used the adapters, and they work pretty well. Some Slashdotters really hate adapters though.
But on laptops, the Ethernet port has pretty much gone the same way as the DB9 serial port.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
It's an 'all-new' Apple, so they won't renew the connectors, they'll just invent new ones. Proprietory, never-seen-before, custom, Apple-licensed connectors that require a 'new generation of peripherals' that conform to a new standard that lasts 24 months.
I too miss my parallel port and telephone modem ports.
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