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'Captain Marvel' Review Bombers Have Dropped Rotten Tomatoes Audience Rating To Lowest Among MCU Movies (comicbook.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: The fake Rotten Tomatoes review onslaught continues for Captain Marvel, giving the film the lowest-rating of all Marvel Cinematic Universe movies on the site nearly two weeks ahead of its release. As of this writing, Captain Marvel now has a 28% Audience Rating, a whopping 18 points below the next lowest MCU flick -- 2008's The Incredible Hulk. Starting earlier this week, a certain section of the internet -- for whatever reason -- decided to start filing fake negative reviews in an attempt to purposefully lower the film's Audience Rating.
These are NOT reviews! This is the Audience "WANT TO SEE" rating, which is completely different. People NOT wanting to see a film, is NOT review bombing. STOP LYING!
It's not reviews, it's audience interest. It's literally asking "Are you interested in this movie?" and most people said no. It's not a review of the movie. This is fake news.
I'll point out that no one is posting review on this movie yet, they're merely posting weather or not they want to see the movie.
And that reality really does show exactly what's wrong with sites like Comicbook.com. They're more interested in pushing a narrative than anything else.
Pushing identity politics agendas really just ends up alienating markets. There's so many great movies with female leads that did really well without ever having to push the "straight white male bad!" narrative that Larson tried, and then went into damage control mode after pressure from Disney.
Alien
Wonder Woman
Terminator
X Files
Hunger Games
Resident Evil
Rogue One
Mad Max: Fury Road
Avatar
Fifth Element
Annihilation
etc..
Go to Rotten Tomatoes to see what it actually is. The movie hasn't been released. So, these are "Want to see" votes, that all upcoming movies show. Once released actual audience scores will be shown. It should do okay, if well written and produced.
Strong women scare the hell out of insecure little boys.
No. They're not bombing reviews.
Because the movie isn't out yet. So RT isn't accepting reviews for the film's Tomatometer score yet.
What is being affected is the "Want to see" score (currently at 29% and falling).
This is where the person marks whether or not they are interested in seeing the film.
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These are "do you plan to see the movie" responses. Actual public movie reviews are only available AFTER the movie is released in theaters. Boring as hell movie trailers and sexist marketing hurt this movie. I imagine this movie will still do well but it will cast a shadow on future Marvel movies (similar to what Last Jedi did to the Solo movie). Someone at Disney needs fired for this mess.
This should not be modded down, it is actually the truth. I don't think I can blame people for not being interested in Captain Marvel either... it's not a superhero name most people are familiar with.
So just how well do you think Blank Panther would have fared with "immature trolls" if they had cast Matthew McConaughey as the lead?
Or maybe, just maybe, fans of specific characters just don't like to see large deviations from source material without good reason.
I never read Captain Marvel so I have no strong feelings about it myself, apart from the trailers making the movie appear a bit generic - I'm sure I'll rent it at some point though (like I have for pretty much every marvel movie). To me the thematically competing Shazam seems more fun.
Maybe they could give fans what they want by giving Captain Marvel a "Crying Game" reveal at the end...
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The original Captain Marvel was a white man
You don't get to call others hypersentitive when others are being triggered about Danvers picking up the Ms. Marvel/Captain Marvel mantle fucking decades ago.
42,343 user ratings for Captain marvel vs 139 for Wonder Park, 114 for Triple Frontier, 58 for The Kid, or 43 for I'm Not Here. Seems like a coordinated effort by Culture Warriors fighting the good fight against the first.
It should do okay, if well written and produced.
It's a Marvel show, neither of those things matter. All that matters is how good the CGI is- that's all the majority of people who watch the film are going to go see. The writing and producing is backstage to that. Helps if they have a few pretty women in it too.
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https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/02/05/brie-larson-captain-marvel-is-my-form-of-activism
The movie was the biggest and best opportunity I could have ever asked for. It was, like, my superpower. This could be my form of activism: doing a film that can play all over the world and be in more places than I can be physically.”
Larson does get back to her idea of turning Captain Marvel into an opportunity to push her activism. “Inclusion has to be a choice; it’s not happening naturally. You really have to fight for it.”
I just wanna see an entertaining super-hero comic-book flick, not some preachy vehicle for Larson's "activism". Apparently many people feel the same. It's not all about you and your politics, Brie.
Carol Danvers has more recently taken the title Captain Marvel but her character under the title of Ms Marvel has been part of the Marvel universe for years.
Perhaps, in our hyper sensitive, over victimized culture, people are tired of changes made solely in the name of "equality".
But the second comic book iteration of Captain Marvel was a different woman, Monica Rambeau. She first appeared in 1982 and held the Captain Marvel title 'til 1996, appearing again in other forms. (Source: http://comicbookdb.com/charact...)
I'm no fan of change for change's sake, but let's not pretend that the character has always been a white guy. I've got no reason to complain about Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel, and I'm looking forward to at least seeing the movie when it comes out, before I judge it too harshly.
There's no background, just a link to the page. And as another poster pointed out it's not reviews, it's the "Want to See" rating.
/. links for one more ad impression. Shame on you /. editors.
It's possible somebody is using bots or just plain organizing a movement against the film for some reason or another (I can't imagine what, sure it's a female lead but so what? It's not like Supergirl gets this treatment or that the gender swapped Batman or something).
Without context this looks like more click bait meant to exploit the ongoing SJW debate on the Internet. It shouldn't have been greenlit. It's an obnoxious attempt to get more folks clicking
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NO! We can put out infinite numbers of cartoon based superhero stories all with essentially the same plotline and people will line up to see them forever! It has to be bombers! No wait... it could be.... RUSSIAN bombers!!!
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It is indeed unfortunate that white men are only represented in leading roles in Marvel films via Steve Rogers, Bruce Banner, Tony Stark, Peter Parker, Thor, Wade Wilson, Eddie Brock, Frank Castle, Stephen Strange, Peter Quill, and Scott Lang. Equality is nice and all, but the Marvel Cinematic Universe has only had fifteen movies starring white men, three with ensemble casts, one with a black man as lead, one with both a man and a woman in title roles, and zero with leading women. Isn't that enough? Shouldn't women be happy as supporting characters and, 5% of the time, secondary protagonists?
It's also terrible that the film writers chose to stick with the 2012 canon of Ms Marvel taking on the role of Captain Marvel, becoming the first -- sorry, the... fourth? female Captain Marvel, a role that had previously been exclusively reserved for men since the character's inception in 1967 -- whoops, the Monica Rambeau storyline from 1982 to 1993 -- sorry, the Phylla-Vell era Captain Marvel's end and replacement in 2007. This is unprecedented revisionism just for the sake of views. Male roles should remain male roles.
Seriously...like the late 70s. People who think this is some sort of gender swap in the name of equality are showing just how comic book clueless they actually are.
some juvenile Fedora wearing basement dwellers no doubt have a problem with female leads
Bad movie after bad movie has gone to this excuse, but it's largely bullshit. Yes, there's some tiny group like that. No, they don't matter. That's not why people didn't like the sad Ghostbusters reboot, That's not why people didn't like The Last Jedi.
A large subsection of the comic-book movie crowd are apparently intimidated by leading ladies.
A non-zero subsection, but there's no reason to believe it's "large", except as a worn-out excuse for a bad movie. No, moviegoers don't hate women. Comic books especially have always led entertainment when it comes to diversity, and comic book fans have never had a problem with that.
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Captain Marvel was caught in a explosion in 1969. In 1977 it was revealed that Carol Danvers inherited his powers to become Ms Marvel. So folks have had since 1977 to deal with this. It's not like Marvel suddenly looked at the Trump administration and MAGA folks and said, "Let's take away their cherished male superhero!"
Not true. Captain Marvel is a relatively well known superhero name. Unfortunately for Marvel, the well-known Captain Marvel is in DC's stable, along with the rest of the Marvel family. (They've been promoting Captain Marvel more recently as Shazam, however that's not his name; Shazam is the wizard who granted Captain Marvel his powers.)
Marvel's Captain Marvel, on the other hand? A relative unknown. I had been peripherally aware that Marvel had someone by that name in their hero pantheon, but until recently I thought he was male.
That's the power of democracy. It's not rule by assholes who imagine they're smarter than everyone else. That's why it's the least bad system that's ever been tried.
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"...some juvenile Fedora wearing basement dwellers no doubt have a problem with female leads..."
But enough about the tv execs who canceled Agent Carter.
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Honestly, most people outside of comics fans didn't know who Iron Man was either prior to his movie. He was considered a minor hero that Marvel was trotting out to test the waters for a big movie release. They expected Iron Man to barely make a profit and just act as set up for future blockbusters. Instead, it was a huge success and now Tony Stark is a household name.
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Most of the people who have heard of Captain Marvel probably think "Shazam".
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That and the fact that... I mean... Marvel Comics introduces a character named Captain Marvel. It's hard to grasp proper words to describe what my intuitive reaction to that is, but it's not exactly "omg, I have to go and watch that".
Batman, Superman - they are household names. Thor and Loki are familiar enough that on a lazy day you'll be like "let's check what these two are up to". I didn't know about Guardians of the Galaxy before (not a comic fan), but the name is enticing. But "Captain Marvel"? Without lots of advertisement, which at least over here in Europe I haven't seen yet, I don't even know why I should care.
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A large subsection of the comic-book movie crowd are apparently intimidated by leading ladies.
The problem isn't leading ladies but plausibility. Women in general are not physiologically strong. An exceptional female is at the level of a merely above average male. Superman is supernaturally strong, but he also looks like he works out. The same is true of Captain America. Much is made visually of his musculature. Same with Black Panther. Each of these presents an image that strong men have bodies that appear to have enlarged muscles. There is a mental disconnect between the visual of a woman physically dominating men and the same happening in reality. The reality is that in a fight with Natasha Romanov a tank would take her first punch on his raised forearms, grapple her to the ground and beat the $#%^ out of her. I think this is a large part of the appeal of a hero like Katniss Everdeen. She is smart, focused and skilled in the use of weapons. This is a believable female hero.
The SJW culture is trying to tell us that men and women are equal and Hollywood is trying to confirm through film. Our brains are telling us "Something just isn't right here..."
Saw this Saturday, it's a fun movie and doesn't suck but it's pretty bad as far as what we've come to expect. Aside from the social justice pandering, which is pretty prevalent, the special effects are much less realistic and sort of cartoonish. Captain Marvel is, visually, the worst looking superhero... I was hoping for something more vision'esque in terms of CGI but she kinda looks more like a low budget SciFi channel movie character. The 90's setting is terrifically nostalgic, the movie itself is engaging enough and decently fun to watch... but it definitely falls short of the other movies by a good margin, and the excessive sjw pandering only makes it worse. If Avengers was a 9, Captain Marvel is a 6.
"Women in general are not physiologically strong. .... The reality is ... "
Assuming you didn't deliberately intend to sound like a misogynist, you know this is a movie about a comic book superhero, right?
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Feminists have a fucked up idea of what "strong" is. Asshole is asshole. We don't like male assholes either.
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40k+ for a Marvel movie, compared to four movies I've never heard of? That looks like some seriously cherry-picked data manufactured for outrage.
Avengers Endgame has over 10k with a 98% "want to see" score, and that doesn't even come out for 2 months. The last Avengers movie has 52k.
Does anyone actually pay any attention to 'reviews' before they go see a movie? Or do they watch previews and make up their own mind?
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I'm GenX - Age 52 in less than a month. In the comics I read as a kid, Captain Marvel was always a DC Property - That's how I know the name.
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I'm still keen to see the Marvel movie, though. It looks fun.
No, moviegoers don't hate women. Comic books especially have always led entertainment when it comes to diversity, and comic book fans have never had a problem with that.
To amplify the point, no one had a problem with Ripley gunning down Aliens - it was an awesome movie and perhaps one of the best SF movies of all time.
No one has a problem with Black Widow tricking Loki into revealing his plans, or largely holding her own against the Winter Soldier. I saw both of those and was impressed at how female characters in Marvel movies are *not* useless. Including Maria Hill gunning down the attacker on the helicarrier bridge. (Also of note: no one cares that Nick Fury is played by a black man, it's extremely well done.)
There's an interesting article(*) on Breitbart that sums up the current situation: a) Hollywood engages in hatred towards half the country, and b) this wouldn't be a problem if the movies were any good. As it turns out they're not any good, and this is just us hating you back.
From the article:
Yes, we’ve been insulted, and we’re sick of it. But I can overlook a lot of insults if you give me something worthy of praise. Maria Callas insulted a lot of people, but we still wanted to hear her sing. Can we say the same about the films nominated for Best Picture?
A specific instance cited in the article is Spike Lee's "BlackkKlansman" (nominated best picture this round) compared to "Giant" (1957). Spike Lee's movie casts whites as evil while doling out liberal doses of shame and humiliation, while at the end of "Giant" the audience is visibly rooting for Rock Hudson fighting with a racist diner owner.
Same message, good (versus bad) delivery.
Maybe this is why movie attendance is low, and oscars attendance is really low: the movies are crap, we're sick of the insults, and we don't like being brow-beaten with your social justice message.
(*) Yes, it's from Breitbart, get over it. It's an insightful article that largely describes the problem, and attacking the source is not the same as discussing the content.
I have watched this closely. There have been numerous very recently stories about how men are bashing this movie etc. Yet, as far as I can tell no one has or can bash this movie. Having followed film releases, a similar strategy seems to emerge. The studios get a pre-relase feed back, realize the film is going to bomb and purposely find a group to blame the poor showing on. So they are false flagging basement dwelling men as the reason this film will do poorly. They already know it's audience pre-screening is bad, so they are going to find something to blame other than themselves.
There have been plenty of beloved female characters in the past. What you mean by "strong" is "the actress is actively pushing my ideology". And you wonder why people shy away.
sound like a misogynist
What is the misogyny? Are you saying that women in general are physiologically as strong or stronger as men? This is the problem with pushing so hard on ideology that you disregard reality.
Sure, it may be about a comic book superhero but stating a simple fact is not misogyny. You could have said that fact is irrelevant to the movie because of Comic Book superhero and therefore human physiology doesn't matter. Would have been great. I would have agreed. No issue.
But no, you had to go with "facts are misogyny" because some reason in this day and age it's sexist to state a simple physiological verifiable fact about humans. There is a reason why trans women in sports is an issue now. Because idiots like you think ideology trumps reality. Fallon Fox gives her opponents a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head in the 1st round because of the benefits of growing up male. We had sex segregated sports for a reason.
Women are, in general, not as physiologically strong as men. That is irrelevant to a movie about a comic book superhero but that is still a fact.
IDK, man, Daredevil has been pretty good, and season 3 here the best of the lot. I haven't seen it, but a lot of people, including, apparently, eminem (whose opinion counts more than ours because he's famous), say that the Punisher was mighty good.
If anyone has been paying attention to what's been happening in the world of weaponized trolling, this should surprise no one. Paid foreign actors who are looking to sew discord (in largely western society) are taking up both sides of many issues (social and political) they think can be blown up into a polarizing argument. They spam away on social media, youtube, twitter etc. Along they way they hope to drag as many folks as possible into the never ending argument quagmire. By dividing a population and causing internal turmoil, they create space for their political overlords to operate with less outside scrutiny.
Don't play their games. Next time you think you should argue with some idiot on the internet save your energy for things that actually matter.
Marvel's Captain Marvel, on the other hand? A relative unknown. I had been peripherally aware that Marvel had someone by that name in their hero pantheon, but until recently I thought he was male.
Hand in your Nerd card. Carol Danvers became Captain Marvel (well Ms. Marvel), when she got zapped by the Kree Psyche Magnetron in 1977. The Kree "Captain Mar-Vell"... well he died, Carol then adopted his name to honor his memory.
Monica Rambeau (currently Spectrum) also used the name when Carol got depowered by Rogue just before she joined the X-Men.
All of that happened decades ago.
Sharon Ventura (altered human who got her powers during the Things UCWF storyline) and Kamala Khan (Inhuman ancestry, Inhumans are a Human derived species who are Kree experiments) have also used the name Ms. Marvel
^ This. And this isn't being called out nearly enough. Brie Larson specifically called out white men; she doesn't want to hear from them. She specifically mentioned reviewers, but people are taking it to mean "I want to see less white men (in regards to my movie)". Why would I give money towards someone as blatantly sexist and racist as she is?
But it's funny. All the people in this thread moaning about incels and such, if Larson made comments like these about any other group, they'd be furious. No, it's hip and socially acceptable to demean white men today, and this is just another example of that narrative. And when this racism and sexism is called out, it usually just leads to doubling down ("can't be racist against white people", etc.).
I can't say that's the sole reason that the "want to see" score is so low. I would mostly attribute it to that. I'm sure there are a few incels. But there have been lots of leading women in sci-fi/fantasy movies (see all the examples that have been posted in this thread), so that seems unlikely.
So, again, it's not about a woman in a leading role. It's about racist and sexist comments made by Brie Larson.
This thread started with claims of misogyny and fanboyism. Quite insulting and aggressive.
An AC made a comment whose point was "a good movie will do well. SJW shitting on fans doesn't help". Was equally insulting and aggressive. (What exactly are you expecting from an AC? )
GP defends claims of misogyny with "Ms Marvel was introduced in 1977." With an aggressive "No, no, really...tell us how that's affected you.".
I don't care if Captain Marvel was a women in 1977. I don't care if it has affected me. That doesn't make me interested in watching the movie that is being defended by insults (OP) and aggression (GP). Two are throwing shit and a third says "You should like this and believe this shit because I defend shit!". No thanks.
You read this thread and think only the AC is aggressive and insulting? Everyone is a critic.
Nearly every thread in this topic has insults of incel or misogyny or SJW blah blah blah. I got to the end of reading most comments and decided to reply to this one because I can.
simply asks how it honestly affects them to inspire such a hostile reaction,
Quite the loaded portrayal. Why would you give such a hostile reaction when I simple asked when you will stop cheating on your wife. Or when you will you stop murdering children.
Stunning.
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Feminists *have* done a lot for women. Women once could not vote. Maybe you don't like today's brand of feminist, but I really don't see why you would compare feminists to an organization who's famous for murdering black people for being black.
I think a good argument can be made that modern feminists have gone too far. But you know what else is too far? Equating them to the KKK. Are you really trying to combat hysterical overreaction, with even more hysterical overreaction?
That would be all well and good if this was about the over-abundance of superhero movies. In reality, the "review bombs" are from misogynists who can't fathom the idea of a female superhero, much less a female superhero played by an actress who opinions of her own and isn't afraid to express them.
Captain Marvel was created by Fawcett Comics over a year and a half after Superman was created by DC Comics. The character did so well that he was outselling Superman in the 40's.
DC Comics filed suit against Fawcett, claiming that Captain Marvel was a rip-off of Superman. DC prevailed in court in 1953, and Fawcett was forced to retire Captain Marvel permanently.
In the late 60's, Marvel Comics acquired the rights to the name "Captain Marvel," and created a superhero that was completely different from both the original Captain Marvel and Superman. Thus, they couldn't be sued by DC.
In 1972, as comic books were surging in popularity, DC was looking for new properties to publish and licensed the Captain Marvel characters from Fawcett. But when they tried to publish the comic book as "The Original Captain Marvel," Marvel Comics sent DC a cease-and-desist letter. Thus DC had to retitle the comic book, "Shazam!"
In order to retain their trademark, Marvel must publish a Captain Marvel title at least once every two years.
of how impressive the majority of the Marvel movies have been.
I am not a comic nerd, but I knew who Iron Man was. To be honest, I wasn't all that interested in seeing it when it came out, I caught it on DVD (Netflix). Needless to say, I was pretty blown away by how much I liked it. Then along comes Guardians of the Galaxy. I thought it was the beginning of the end of the Marvel movies when I saw the trailer for it. I thought they had scraped the bottom of the barrel. I didn't even see it until the 2nd movie came out on DVD, and because the reviews were good, we watched them both. Again - very surprised at how much I like them. Same with the Deadpool movies, and with Punisher on Netflix. Marvel keeps surprising me with how good they can make these movies/shows, with just the right amount of action and humor. Maybe it's because I don't really know anything about those characters is what makes it good for me, there is nothing for them to spoil.
I'll watch Captain Marvel when it comes out on DVD regardless of reviews.
I watched Aquaman with my wife because of Jason Momoa, so we're watching Captain Marvel because of Brie Larson. It's called compromising.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
There is a difference between "pro white people" and "being good for white people". I don't think anything the KKK did was good for white people in general. They killed black people. That doesn't help white people in general. They managed to keep some terrible white people out of jail. But that doesn't benefit all white people, in fact it is also very harmful to white people to have horrible white people in society.
Feminists are "pro women". They have actually have done good things for women in general, and for humanity in general. Women are better off if women can vote. And I would argue men are also better off if women can vote, in the sense that everyone is better off in a free and fair society.
Also, if your only criteria for comparing a group to the KKK is that they help one group at the expense of another, then the NFL is like the KKK because they want tax money to build their stadiums. Farmers are like the KKK because they want exclusive water rights. Almost every single political lobby is like the KKK because they benefit one group at the expense of everyone else. What a fucking dumb way to look at the world.
So, the same as some SJW's overreaction to some stupid thing someone said? Two wrongs making... tens of thousands of meaningless comments?
That's up to you. Many people are voting to not support someone that has sexist and racist views. You are free to support anyone that is racist or sexist; to many people, knowing that taint is behind the movie is a huge turn-off.
Sexism and racism may be meaningless to you, but it's not for a lot of people.
I can't think of a single instance where an actors personal beliefs affected my desire to see something they were in. And I certainly can't think of any stupid thing an actor has said that made me lose my mind and act like some brain dead 20y/o SJW.
That's your value system, and that's fine. Lots of people separate the artist and their work, and lots of people don't, and tons of variations in between. Artists and their work being separated or not is not an SJW thing. There is no "correct" answer to which way of thinking people should follow.
The movie is shit, people said they aren't interested.
Nobody has seen the movie... how do you know it's shit?
Why must everything have an agenda with you newfags?
I don't know what a "newfag" is, but *I* don't think everything has an agenda. *This* has an agenda, it's quite obvious. Nobody goes to RT and downvotes every movie they don't want to see. They only go to RT to downvote a movie when they have an agenda.
Yeah, no.
People are going out of their way in very suspiciously large numbers to vote no on it, so it really does look a troll operation. Whether it's Gamergate, 4chan, or Russian trolls, it doesn't really matter. It's obviously a co-ordinated mod bomb.
Fanatically anti-fanatical
Ah, the comment we were all waiting for, the one that proves that the original story really does have a point, and negates everyone's comments about it just being that people aren't that bothered.
You can even visualise the frothing at the mouth over the gall that a woman could attempt to play a superhero...
Have a great script.
Find great actors who are charismatic and photogenic.
Nice locations.
A budget for special effects.
Ensure the plot works for the type of movie getting promoted.
What to make a political movie? See it as a political movie.
Want to make sci fi? Make sure the movie actually is about sci fi.
Sports movie? Athletes would be a good plot given the sale of a "sports" plot.
Academics? Some plot that is proficient and professional.
Great movies and TV series are welcomed and promoted by fans and people new to a brand.
Quality sells. Skill and ability sells. The ability to follow decades of plot is what fans expect.
Want something new and very political? Create that new series, plot, movie and see how it sells as a new concept.
Got decades of quality storytelling that people like and accept? Don't change it up for politics. A totally political plot will remove everything people enjoy.
Fans notice. People doing reviews notice. The trailer looks political and very different to an accepted decades of plot.
The internet will talk about political changes and then people can write their own thoughts on decades of plot.
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I think you completely misunderstood what the comment you replied to intended to say. The commenter did not suggest that any movie he listed (or did not list) conveys some anti-male message. He suggested that the listed movies had female main characters and were successful, without making a fuss about the gender of a main character. And that making a fuss about the gender of a movie character before release may lower many people's interest in watching them, if only because there are now several example of "opposite-gender-remakes" (like Ghost Busters or Ocean's 8) that are just shitty movies, with "oh let's try to tell the same story with inverted genders" as their only idea being just way too little to make remake interesting. (And yes, there are also way to many remakes that are unrelated to gender-ado.)
Doesn't get much clearer than that. He's saying that identity politics hurt a movies performance. It's not hard to read into that either. He means left wing, SJW identity politics. I say that because the entire push against identity politics comes from the right (which is frustrating, given that the right has been using identity politics in the form of the Southern Strategy to win elections for over 70 years).
I'd still like some examples of movies that have alienated markets with identity politics. He listed what are counter examples because, well, it's easy to find those. It's not so hard to find actual movies ruined by identity politics. Even Ghostbusters wasn't political. It was an attempt to hit a broad female audience with female comedy.
Yes, chicks have their own forms of comedy, and no, I don't find it funny, being a dude. Go dig up that Rosie O'donnel buddy cop movie they made a few years back for a good example of it. That wasn't political, that was marketing.
What I'm trying to do is snap folks out of this anti-SJW fever. It's the new Southern Strategy. A new trick for the right wing to use to distract us all from worsening economics. You're not unhappy because you're wages dropped 1.5% every year for the last 20 years. It's those feminazis forcing unnatural gender roles and ruining movies/tv/video games. The videos pushing that narrative on YouTube have millions of views. True, a lot of that is down to the right wing media engine supporting them (Sargon of Aakad, one of the big ones in that field, has had a ton of help and consulting services from various right wing think tanks, he didn't get all those subbies himself, he had help).
If we let this shit go on then it won't matter that racism, homophobia and religious bigotry are winding down. The 1%ers will find another group for us to fight with while they take all the money and run. I'm fucking sick of it. Enough already. Wake. The. Fuck. Up. For the Love of God, Stop falling for the same stupid tricks again and again.
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People were pissed about Ripley? Where? When? I honestly don't know a single person who thought that her being female was bad. The worst I have heard from someone was that he was surprised a woman could pull it off.
Most people didn't give a fuck about what gender the lead has. The movie was good, the alien was awesome, the effects were, well, effective and the suspense was there. Mostly because you had an investment in the character and you were interested in her survival.
I think this mostly stems from the fact that back then nobody felt the urge to use every other scene to showcase that she is actually a woman and that she can do it. What also helped was that she did have her weak spots that made her human and relateable. That's what's missing today. Instead we get bland and uninteresting Mary-Sues like Rey and movies that dump the story to pretend they're progressive because "look, we have a FEMALE lead!" is more important than telling a compelling story that makes you interested in the characters and their problems.
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