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Is The Attention Economy Dying? (theverge.com)

"The attention economy is dying, and it's not pretty," argues the Verge, adding "there is only so much time in the day to pay attention to things, and we as a society have reached the limit..."

"The base assumption that the whole edifice is built on is becoming unstable, because what happens when society's attention is entirely monopolized? A recent report put out by the media and technology research firm Midia underscores that point: "[E]ngagement has declined throughout the sector, suggesting that the attention economy has peaked. Consumers simply do not have any more free time to allocate to new attention seeking digital entertainment propositions, which means they have to start prioritising between them." The trend, they write, has persisted for a while, and only now promises a revenue slowdown -- as told through disappointing quarterly results from a few of the major games publishers. "Arguably sooner than most of the games industry would have thought." As Midia researcher Karol Severin says, "competition within the attention economy is now more intense than ever before."

The problem is attention doesn't scale. There is only so much time in the day to be advertised to; ads themselves are becoming less effective, because they're now everywhere. When was the last time you consumed something that wasn't trying to sell you something, or harvest your personal data to sell you things better?

The article also argues that a "substantial portion" of the attention economy has been captured by the videogame Fortnite. "Last month, Netflix mentioned in its 2018 earnings report that 'we compete with (and lose to) Fortnite more than HBO'...

"That Netflix is even acknowledging Fortnite as a competitor is important, because it means that digital media companies are beginning to concede that growth isn't infinite, and are shifting their ambitions in response."

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  1. Growth isn't infinite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No shit, Sherlock.

  2. Sorry, I can't pay attention... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Too much music going on right now...

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  3. Video Killed the Radio Star by Aighearach · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The entertainment economy has always competed with the entertainment economy.

    Guess what, they're competing with imported chocolate, too.

    And skating rinks. And fancy restaurants.

    1. Re:Video Killed the Radio Star by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3

      There is more to it than just competition. People have been burned so many times they are not engaging any more.

      All the good stuff on TV gets cancelled, so don't get too engaged with that. Online is full of scams and you find that thing you were really into is just some shitty viral marketing campaign. Everyone you liked turns out to be a milkshake duck.

      There is also the rise of streaming that means everything is transient and probably won't be available in a year or two, so no point getting attached to it.

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    2. Re:Video Killed the Radio Star by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      None of that is new.

      Weird Al released "I Can't Watch This" in 1992, long before most people even knew what the "internet" was or had local access. I listen to that song way more often than I watch a television. Jefferson Airplane released the song Plastic Fantastic Lover in 1967, before I was born, which is also about television. And it dovetails nicely with social media concerns; the last verse is

      Data Control and IBM
      Science is mankind's brother
      But all I see is drainin' me
      On my plastic fantastic lover

      Online scams are nothing new; in the olden days they were conducted by mail. And like the internet, just because it is scammy and you lose your money doesn't mean it is illegal; they even have chain stores where you can "rent to own" a $300 couch for $20/month for the rest of your life. I remember in the mid 90s a co-worker showed me a "Finger Hut" catalog which was basically the same thing.

      Maybe you just like low quality media too much, and so you're too hurt when it turns out they don't love you back?

      If you don't like shows getting cut, my advice, wait until after it is finished running, and watch the re-runs. That way you know what you're getting into, and if the fans ended up happy or sad about the time invested in fandom.

      It is like people crying that the Beatles broke up. The music is all still there.

      If the streaming services are running stuff that is going to just disappear, it must not have very much value. The Star Wars Christmas Special survived the ages, as did Leonard Nimoy's music video of The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins. Surely with modern technology, things of value are getting preserved.

  4. I don't know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Verge did a good job of drawing attention to itself when it copyright striked two channels for reaction videos to their terrible PC build video and prompting the community to donate $7,000 for #SomethingPositive on Twitter.

    1. Re: I don't know... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2

      Mod up. The Verge is no longer a reputable news outlet as far as I concerned and we need to bring this up.

    2. Re: I don't know... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Was it ever one? The Verge, Wired and that other one - the scissors-paper-stone of semiscientific shite that is the source of 90% of PHB's "initiatives".

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  5. Help me understand Fortnite. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My suspicion is that everyone is wrong that Fortnite is a popular game. Fortnite is actually the next social media platform that younger kids have jumped onto. It's a platform that importantly does not include their parents. True?

    1. Re:Help me understand Fortnite. by owlaf · · Score: 2

      It isn't just fortnite that is a social media platform and game. I had played GTA way back but stopped after a while. I watch some vids of the latest version, and you see how you can play with a group of friends with audio chat between the whole time. There are many others

  6. Since always! by evanh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "When was the last time you consumed something that wasn't trying to sell you something, or harvest your personal data to sell you things better?"

    I guess that means there is still a group beyond that refused to be suckered. Funnily, I didn't explicitly try to avoid ads. They just happen to not appear with scripting disabled.

    1. Re:Since always! by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      I guess you never watched or listened to an episode of the Ben Shapiro show. He will stop mid-sentence to deliver an ad.

  7. Re:'The Attention Economy' by hey! · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, Wikipedia gives a nice definition of what "Attention Economy" is:

    Attention economics is an approach to the management of information that treats human attention as a scarce commodity, and applies economic theory to solve various information management problems. ...
    As content has grown increasingly abundant and immediately available, attention becomes the limiting factor in the consumption of information.

    All this seems eminently reasonable and well-supportable to me. As to what advertising executives and "content providers" mean when they use the term "attention economy", well they might not mean anything in particular. Such people often use words for how they feel rather than what they denote.

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  8. I'm sorry by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    I wasn't paying attention. What were we talking about again?

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    1. Re:I'm sorry by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      That time you went to Shelbyville.

      Again.

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    2. Re:I'm sorry by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I don't have the energy today... but I vaguely remember wearing an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time.

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  9. Re: If you want my attention... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    1. If I'm your subscriber, I'm not your free QA dev/beta tester
    2. If I'm your subsciber, I'm not going to have patience for an ad platform.
    3. Breaking up a product into DLC'S may chase me away forever.
    4. I don't have time to be pinched for pennies.
    5. I don't have time for fecal level support.

  10. Probably has not happened yet. by will_die · · Score: 4, Funny

    No way we have reached the end of the attention economy. We still have not had all the people complaining about big attention and where are all the journalists saying that peak attention is here.

    1. Re:Probably has not happened yet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Loads of youtubers were doing just fine on ads... until Youtube crippled it AND then decided that anything other than a hyper-progressive nutjob view was not allowed. There were niches all over the place. Now it's all being squashed in an attempt to return to the kind of control the establishment used to enjoy when its messengers in the mainstream media fed swill to the proles.

  11. Why do so many people get economics backwards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Economic systems are based on scarcity. The fact that our attention is limited is the reason that there can be an attention economy. It doesn't mean the opposite, that the attention economy has come to an end.

    1. Re:Why do so many people get economics backwards? by sgage · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly. In fact, you could say the 'attention economy' is now beginning. There is no longer enough 'attention' for dozens of companies to experience exponential growth every year - now they are really going to have to compete. Like in the real economy.

    2. Re:Why do so many people get economics backwards? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It's bloody obvious, and always has been, that there are 24 hours in a day, 8 of which you typically spend asleep.

      It's a ten dollar name for a ten cent idea, and now the "influencers": and other bullshit artists are latching onto it.

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    3. Re:Why do so many people get economics backwards? by Tyger-ZA · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's bloody obvious, and always has been, that there are 24 hours in a day, 8 of which you typically spend asleep.

      It's a ten dollar name for a ten cent idea, and now the "influencers": and other bullshit artists are latching onto it.

      24 hours in a day, about 8 spent asleep, 8 at work, maybe an hour in traffic, maybe another 2 hours on the preparation and consumption of food, maybe another hour for washing yourself (being generous here, I know some of you won't even shower daily)

      That's already 20 hours gone out of a day, leaving just 4 hours for whatever random errands and entertainment (not even taking into account time spent fucking your partner or parenting)

      The publishers think they can make those who don't work grind their way through the game while those of us with jobs will pay to skip the grind. They didn't consider that we paying customers will stop paying, leaving them with millions spent to make a game, and millions more spent on servers that need to remain running for people who will grind instead of pay. How many times can they take that sort of financial hit before the shareholders leave?

      I'm looking forward to a gaming market crash, hopefully some valuable franchises will get liberated from their greedy owners during liquidation proceedings and get picked up by whoever is left to actually make good games again

    4. Re:Why do so many people get economics backwards? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It's certainly changing though. Part of that is due to the shear volume of stuff competing for attention. Remember when there were four TV channels? Now multi-million dollar productions are competing with cat videos on YouTube.

      Streaming has also made media transient and disposable. Back in the 90s I modded my brother's Playstation to play imports and backups... Games, even bad ones, used to get huge time investments due to scarcity and high cost, but within a few months he was often spending more time burning the disc at 2x than playing the game. If it wasn't instantly great then move on to the next one.

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    5. Re:Why do so many people get economics backwards? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You must be preparing very elaborate meals for it to take 2 hours a day. You could surely optimize that.

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    6. Re:Why do so many people get economics backwards? by Tyger-ZA · · Score: 1

      You must be preparing very elaborate meals for it to take 2 hours a day. You could surely optimize that.

      2 hours on the preparation and consumption of food

      I don't know what slave driver you work for, but I go away during lunchtime for an hour. The other hour is for the other meals in a day.

    7. Re:Why do so many people get economics backwards? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      My employer provides decent lunch meals for people who want them. Zero prep time, they take care of all that.

      Before this place I used to go out too, but even then most of that was not spent solely preparing or eating food. In fact much of it was spent reading news or posting on Slashdot.

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    8. Re:Why do so many people get economics backwards? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      shear volume

      It transforms a cuboid into a parallelepiped?

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    9. Re:Why do so many people get economics backwards? by timeOday · · Score: 1

      It's bloody obvious, and always has been, that there are 24 hours in a day, 8 of which you typically spend asleep.

      This is not right though. Smartphones changed the game by increasing where we could consume digital media, thus allowing us to spend more time on it. Of course this came at the cost of paying attention to the kids' soccer game, or having a conversation with the person whose car we're riding in, or whatever we used to do with that time. But it was an increase in the amount of those 24 hours that was monetized.

    10. Re:Why do so many people get economics backwards? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Until that number reaches 25, my point still stands.

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    11. Re:Why do so many people get economics backwards? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Until that number reaches 25, my point still stands.

      And that's why the mods were wrong to give "insightful" to the guy following you who went to great pains to quantify the day. As long as there's only 24 hours in a day, it doesn't matter what you are using them for if there is competition for all 24 of them. Trying to say there are only 4 hours available is not insightful, it's myopic. It also ignores multitasking, like making dinner while watching TV, or watching videos at work.

    12. Re:Why do so many people get economics backwards? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Streaming has also made media transient and disposable.

      Remember when there were three TV channels? Media has for the vast majority of time been transient and disposable. People spent a dime going to see the latest installment of the action serial at the movie house, and had only fond memories of last week's episode. VCRs tried to change the transient nature of "media" and did quite a bit to help. DVRs have replaced that, but leave you with intangible things called "files" instead of a tape or DVD. Streaming is just a new wrinkle, not a new paradigm.

    13. Re:Why do so many people get economics backwards? by Tyger-ZA · · Score: 1

      Until that number reaches 25, my point still stands.

      And that's why the mods were wrong to give "insightful" to the guy following you who went to great pains to quantify the day. As long as there's only 24 hours in a day, it doesn't matter what you are using them for if there is competition for all 24 of them. Trying to say there are only 4 hours available is not insightful, it's myopic. It also ignores multitasking, like making dinner while watching TV, or watching videos at work.

      His point and mine still stand.

      All of the replies to counter the argument miss the point because they're debating *exactly* how much one might spend on any of the tasks, and/or how much time is spent on multitasking.

      The point being that there are only 24 hours in a day, most of which are engaged in "non monetized" tasks, and you don't get to increase the number of hours in a day

      If I bothered to quantify how long everything takes down the the minute, someone will still be on here moaning that it's not accurate enough, or doesn't match what they do

      To clarify: the two largest time sinks in a day are working and sleeping (2/3 of a day). You're not doing any multitasking while asleep, and work differs for each person. Not everyone is sat in an office watching Youtube when the boss isn't looking.

      If you've got a counter example with greater detail than my "rounded to the nearest hour and no multitasking" example then please provide it.

    14. Re:Why do so many people get economics backwards? by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      The real problem for media companies is the cat videos are winning.

  12. How are they measuring this? by Tolvor · · Score: 2

    Netflix stated that 'we compete with (and lose to) Fortnite more than HBO'. How are they measuring this? How do they know I'm playing Fortnite and not doing something unrelated like web development, programming, finishing the book "Atomic Habits", finishing reading some novel like "The King's Blood", or commenting on a tech forum? I would agree that all metrics point to a lot of people playing Fortnite, and maybe other metrics like less people watching Netflix, but how do they correlate the two?

    1. Re:How are they measuring this? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      I'll have to admit, that wasn't the clip I was expecting.

  13. Advertise on Fortnite by Lije+Baley · · Score: 1

    Marshmello seems to be smarter than all those "ad men".

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  14. I think this is true by erp_consultant · · Score: 2

    For years everyone has known that using a cellphone when driving is dangerous. The evidence is overwhelming. Yet the federal government has done nothing about it, largely due to the telecom lobbyists. But local governments are taking notice and passing laws. Several of them where I live have done just that due to pressures from their constituents.

    To me, this is a sign of backlash against mobile devices. People walking around like fucking zombies glued to their phones. It is similar in some ways to the backlash against smoking. It had nothing to do with the fact that smoking is bad for the smoker. It had everything to do with the fact that it stinks and it potentially bad for the non smoker.

    Sooner or later the phone zombie will be shunned and instead of being seen as hip will be seen as a loser. Everything goes in cycles and this is yet another one, only to be replaced by the next fad.

    1. Re:I think this is true by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      For years everyone has known that using a cellphone when driving is dangerous. The evidence is overwhelming. Yet the federal government has done nothing about it

      Have you read the Constitution? There is nothing in it that gives the federal government jurisdiction over driving.

      But local governments are taking notice and passing laws.

      As they should. That is what local governments are for.

    2. Re:I think this is true by DogDude · · Score: 2

      I don't know if you know, but there have been thousands, probably millions of laws written about things that aren't in the US Constitution. That's because the US Constitution was written more than 300 years ago. They didn't have cars then. Or electricity.

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    3. Re:I think this is true by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      There is nothing in it that gives the federal government jurisdiction over driving.

      Except on federally funded "postal highways", which is explicit. Or the fact that trucking is vital for "interstate commerce". Oh, and since people drive from state to state with driver's licenses, there's the "full faith and credit" clause too. And of course, there's the "necessary and proper" clause.

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    4. Re:I think this is true by Bryansix · · Score: 1

      Most laws exist at the state and not the federal level. Federal laws are struck down as unconstitutional all the time simply because they should be left to the states to decide. In fact even more federal laws should be struck down for being unconstitutional. Just because there are unconstitutional laws doesn't argue for their continued existence nor does it argue for more of them.

  15. The Verge is trash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Nobody there knows what they're talking about, they're bloggers LARPing as journalists. 11 people signed off on this project from a supposed tech journalist. Why anyone would lend any weight to what they have to say is mind-boggling.

  16. Stop reading the Verge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Consider the source. This is the same group of companies that went after actual technical Youtubers for debunking their PC "upgrading video".

    Stop giving them any attention.

  17. It's getting married by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    After all those engagements, it was to be expected that the attention economy is finally settling down with a wife and kids.

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  18. EGO - Embedded Growth Obligation by ka9dgx · · Score: 1

    Publicly traded companies have an Embedded Growth Obligation (EGO) due to the expectations of shareholders and the market. Nothing can grow forever, but the market seems to think that sustaining certain customer level for decades is equivalent to death. This will change eventually, due to the laws of physics, but it is likely to be a rough ride.

  19. Fuck the verge by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    They are not a reputable tech news outlet. Especially after this

  20. The dupe economy by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    The dupe ecopnomy is thriving!

    https://games.slashdot.org/sto...

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  21. To any effect? No. by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Yet the federal government has done nothing about it, largely due to the telecom lobbyists. But local governments are taking notice and passing laws.

    Wow, they passed some laws! Awesome! Then in areas where they have passed laws, citizens have entirely stopped using phones in cars, just as they have stopped speeding thanks to local speed limits.

    Oh wait. In fact the laws have exactly ZERO effect on behavior apart from the state mining slightly more money from citizens. Just as people still speed, people still use phones in cases because people are people.

    If you actually cared about dangers of cell phones use in cars, you would push for something that actually resulted in less danger from that activity - basically meaning a big push for autonomous or semi-autonomous driving abilities for all cars. But how much money would that earn the Sate? None, that's how much - in fact it would be a tremendous loss from speeding and cell phone use fines never to be collected.

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  22. Leveling off != dying by CptLoRes · · Score: 1

    Why is everybody so surprised in the financial sector every time the growth of starts to level off?

    1. Re:Leveling off != dying by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      In capitalism, a thing is either growing or it's dying. Like cancer.

      But I'm glad that TPTB are realizing that human attention is a finite resource, this should kill off the capitalists' hopes that we can all become YouTube stars or Instagram influencers to keep this clusterfuck rolling along in the face of mass unemployment from automation - as if there's no problem with the hellishness of everyone having to work such a degrading job. Actual camwhores seem to have a more dignified profession.

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    2. Re:Leveling off != dying by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      Nobody is, it is just that the high growth opportunities offer better returns and are thus more interesting to the financial pundits the general public normally hears about. There are trillions invested in slow to normal growth securities, but they don't get blog posts. It is much the same problem that affects science reporting (or any other niche) targeted at general audiences.

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  23. Re:To any effect? No. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    Any law which cannot be enforced, no matter how good the intentions, is a bad law. At best it teaches people to have no respect for the law in general. At worst it provides corrupt police with a convenient excuse to arrest people they dislike for any reason.

  24. Does what goes up, still go down? by epine · · Score: 1

    Let me fix that for you:

            Is the attention economy land-grab petering out?

    Betteridge's law of headlines carves out an important exception for headlines of the form:

            Does what goes up, still go down?

  25. Re:'The Attention Economy' by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

    Such people

    You're being generous...

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  26. what is this all about? by sad_ · · Score: 1

    even when i didn't have a job yet and could spend almost every waking hour on whatever i wanted, i still didn't have enough time to do all the things i wanted to do.
    this hasn't improved with getting a job, wife & kids, house, ...
    you'll always have to make choices what to do with your free time, i don't understand how there are people who are bored.

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  27. Re:WTF by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

    Well, it's apparent that your world view is not correct for the rest of the world. It may be absolutely accurate in your circle of acquaintances, but apparently people, in general, like Fortnite more than Netflix. I don't use either, but that doesn't lead me to believe that nobody else does.. They're both pretty successful companies.

  28. Re:To any effect? No. by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    I disagree. Fewer people using phones in cars leads to fewer traffic accidents and fatalities. My point has nothing to do with the State collecting more money. It is about public safety. And I say this knowing that auto manufacturers are as much at fault as anyone else. They cram every electronic gadget under the sun into the new cars and those certainly cause driver distraction as well.

    You want self driving cars? Sure I'm all for that. But the technology is not there yet. My fear is that autonomous cars will only really work if ALL cars are autonomous, not just some of them. Trying to predict erratic human behavior behind the wheel has proven to be extremely difficult. Erratic behavior like using cellphones and in car gadgets :-)

  29. It isn't "dying" by 1ucius · · Score: 1

    It's just switched from being a growth market to a mature market. And, as such, the game becomes how to take market share* away from your competitors.

    *arguably, this was always the case. It was just new media taking market share from newspapers, televised sports, movies, etc. Now, new media is also competing against new media.

  30. Makes me wonder by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    How much of their own attention do business leaders at the top of the food chain allow to take part in the Attention Economy? Beyond a certain point, doesn't spending loads of time binge-watching, playing games, etc, make one less likely to be creative, to innovate, and to successfully strategize in business and in personal endeavours? OTOH, it seems to me that overloading the mental processing power of the plebs with trivialities makes them more pliable and, (perhaps paradoxically), less likely to inquire deeply into the activities of the point-one-percenters. The attention economy is all about fleecing average people while undermining their ability to rise above the average and make full use of their capabilities.

    I don't even have to posit a conspiracy to make this argument work - it's possible that things either evolved this way or we ended up here largely by chance. However, there is ample evidence of such a conspiracy in our education system dating back more than a century. For more on the characteristics and consequences of the education system that was created by the Robber Barons for their own purposes, see John Taylor Gatto's book. (PDF).

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  31. Attention span? by The+Relentless · · Score: 1

    I feel like I have the attention span of a goldfish crackers are delicious.

  32. Re:'The Attention Economy' by Bryansix · · Score: 1

    Which is why the phrase "suggesting that the attention economy has peaked" makes zero sense. Attention was always scarce. People who were making money were doing so for mostly two reasons. Those are that people were naive and easily tricked, and the medium was novel. People are catching on though and the used car salesmen of the Entertainment industry are eventually being seen for what they are and hence attention is shifting. They could fix this by adapting, but they are a bunch of useless crybabies and so they'll just have a fit and pound the dark earth instead.

  33. Why do so many people get english backwards? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    , maybe another hour for washing yourself (being generous here, I know some of you won't even shower daily)

    That's not generous, it's stingy. So is the food prep. You're using mandatory tasks to remove free time, so "generous", implying giving the other side the benefit of the doubt, is to minimize the time. So if you assume 10 minutes reheating a pizza (eaten while you play) and 10 minutes showering, that's generous.

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  34. Re:To any effect? No. by Bryansix · · Score: 1

    This isn't a case of a law that CAN'T be enforced. It's a case of competition for which law to enforce. Plus, all things equal, they will enforce the easiest law. The easiest to enforce is speeding even though like 2-4% of accidents are found to be primarily caused by excess speed over the limit.

  35. Re: German growth is infinite by sagenumen · · Score: 1

    Oh wow. You're so edgy! Posting racist comments anonymously!