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Google Found it Paid Men Less Than Women For the Same Job (techcrunch.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: The story we're used to hearing is that women get paid less than men. In Google's case, according to its own internal pay audit, it turned out male-identified Level 4 Software Engineers received less money than women in that same role. That led to Google paying $9.7 million to adjust pay for 10,677 employees. It's not clear how many of the employees who received pay adjustments were men but Google does cite the underpaying of men as a reason for why the company paid more in adjustments for 2018 than in 2017. But The New York Times reports men received a disproportionately higher percentage of the money.
Paying everyone the same amount for the same job reeks of communism. One person could be a better "Level 4 Software Engineer" than another. I've seen this time and again.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
There is still sexism in this world, I told you!
This women's liberation thing has gone too far I say, way too far. Next thing we know, we'll be seeing white men lining up for food stamps. This is outrageous!
The ladies feel like they are being paid less and how dare Google suggest their feelings aren't valid?!!! I expect they'll correct this correction within a couple weeks.
Google does cite the underpaying of men as a reason for why the company paid more in adjustments for 2018 than in 2017. But The New York Times reports men received a disproportionately higher percentage of the money.
The point of an adjustment is to adjust the lower paid party disproportionately to the higher paid party. So what is the problem here? Oh, just looking for something to bitch about? Carry on then.
Women are more likely to get a college degree (in the US anyway) and that has had a knock-on effect in job opportunities and futures for a huge number of US men.
It's not really a surprise that women are starting to get paid more in some jobs. They can't get men into those jobs to begin with because more and more of them aren't getting the education they need to get there. So there's fewer people overall to compete for those jobs.
In my opinion, getting a new job (in IT anyway) is a good way to increase an income. It should be done every 4-5 years.
The other side of that coin is people who make their nest at a company end up losing in the medium/long run. I think at least some of these gender-based salary gaps can be explained by people having been there longer for whatever reason (the company used to hire more of a certain gender group and now it's changing, gender-trending individuals wanting stability to raise family, etc.). Where longer stay = financial loser.
Under this theory, Google used to hire more software developer men, perhaps almost exlusively, and now many women have joined the company at a higher salary than the incremental.
To go after the big bucks.
Or actual male, as in genetics, brain structure, body parts?
Listen, it's alright if you are actually a man but your parents or the doctors fucked up. No need to "identify". You *are* male.
And it's alright *too*, if you wanna wear men's clothes and fuck girls for fun! No need to "identify" as something you're not, to do what you like!
It's called reality-based thinking.
I know, in a world or reality delusions by propaganda and churches, that has become a rare thing in the US.
So, Google won't promote men even when they are the best candidate. Meaning a lot of men are working above their classification.
To keep these guys, Google pays then more.
But now, Google's misandrous policies mean they have to be even more sexist by giving the less qualified women in the same pay clarification as the over qualified men.
Being an anti-meritocracy is not a sustainable business model.
It is impossible to draw any conclusions from these figures without knowing the XX/XY chromosome distribution among the male-identified cohort.
But The New York Times reports men received a disproportionately higher percentage of the money.
And how exactly did they conclude that the increase was disproportionately higher? If men really were being paid less, I would expect that leveling the pay rates would impact more men than women. And since they seem to have no problem with the premise that men were previously being paid less, they should also expect that. So I am very curious to know how they drew the conclusion that the increase was disproportionately higher towards men.
Oh sure now that the ladies are making more.
Hilarious. Called the Women Are Wonderful effect.
Both men and women treat women better across cultures as a result. So when women say they are being paid less, well women don't lie, so it must be true. When women are being paid more, who cares!
Now we get to watch people who claim to be feminists in that they believe in treating women and men equally will not in any way whatsoever fight against women being paid more than men.
$10 million to pay off 10,000 people? $1,000 per person?
Either these victims were underpaid by almost nothing, or Google is trying to sweep this under the rug with a less-than-token payment... probably trying to head off some serious lawsuits as well.
The problem was that Google took from the total pool per job classification, robbing Peter to pay Paula, when Paula was underpaid relative to the total group, but this meant less left to pay Peter.
They should have lifted Bill's pay package compensation as a senior exec to pay Paula, while not reducing the pool for Peter, under the Peter Piper Principle, which says to pay Peter Piper you take the compensation package away from the school principles.
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1. Tech companies are craving a diverse workforce and seek to hire more female software developers 2. For decades, women have been avoiding computer science and technical degrees as well as avoiding jobs in the tech industry. Therefore The demand to hire female coders has significantly exceeded the supply of talent to fill those jobs. Therefore, in order to hire a female tech worker, companies are having to offer above market salaries. I do not understand the problem here. Isn't everything working as expected?
I'm wondering how it was calculated? Was is just raw salary, salary + available benefits, or salary + used benefits? I suspect women use more of the benefits than men do. Women are more likely to stay home when kids can't go to school. Men are often more likely to have unused vacation. Also in term of health benefits, women tend to be the more expensive gender.
No good deed goes unpunished.
The job of management is to get somebody to do something they don't want to do for less than they're willing to do it for.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
This may be true for Google developers at large but I thought their SF office was staffed only with betas and trannys. Do they even allow straight men to work at Google HQ? Can't have any toxic masculinity there.
Google is actively trying to increase the diversity of their workforce. That means they are discriminating for under represented groups. Differences in pay are the easiest way things are subsidized / discriminated for.
In the supply of Level 4 Software Engineers, I'd actually think that Google would have to pay females significantly more than males to attract them, since they are almost certainly represented in the pool of Level 4 Software Engineers much less than men. Rare attributes are more expensive than common attributes.
It's not possible to treat people equally, and try to increase the diversity of a workforce that draws from an uneven pool of people. If 9/10 CS graduates are men, then why would companies be expected to have anything other than a 9/10 distribution in their workforce? When the expectations are different, then there has to be some sort of discrimination / subsidy in effect.
Isn't this basic economics, combined with basic statistics?
including execs. That is the only way to be fair. Lead the way google.
Google should be able to hire whoever they want and pay them whatever they want. For example, if google wants to only hire white males they should be able to do so, or if they want to pay white males more than non white males they should be able to do so. For it has been determined by those who are enlightened that equality and diversity is the better way, in all things, so google or apple or whoever will certainly not be able to compete in the marketplace without a strong culture of equality and diversity, and they and their ilk will certainly fall and lose out to competitors with greater equality and diversity. The free market will sort it all out. prsdntl
Hmm, who's the butt-hurt bigot? Your whiny bullshit isn't going to take away his Lexus and replace your Kia.
Tab-users vs space-users (based on the user's real preference not project's coding guidelines) vim vs emacs? In the end everyone within the same position will have to have the same salary...
They are called FEMInists for a reason.
They are the exact opposite of the women who started the equality movement.
Can't havr one without the other.
The exploitation comes from the addition of egocentric psychopathy, where the one being favored is always just oneself.
Did they discover that women were less likely to ask for a raise or not as willing to negotiate their salary?
Unless they are psychopaths, like at the foundation of US society.
YOU are actively and deliberately *making* life not fair! Beause of your decisions.
That's called being an asshole. And will quickly get you excluded from social circles. (Hence the word "social" in there.)
Which is exactly, why everyone tells the USA to fuck off, at the first instant it doesn't hold the world at gunpoint and takes its tentacles out of every controllable orifice.
Are Men at Google Paid Less Than Women? Not Really.
"The story we're used to hearing is that women get paid less than men" - the short version is most studies are exaggerated or falsified but the wage gap does exist but it is 100% due to women going to college for less high paying jobs in the first place.
White men get to die younger, less healthy, sign up for the draft, pay more for car insurance, get fucked in divorce court, and pay for children they can prove are not theirs.
There is no such thing as white male privilege of any sort. This is crap made up by Marxists in their effort to further divide the country and make it a social stigma to work hard and be successful. When someone people, such as hard working white males, do better than others (everyone else who does not work as hard) then it is important to punish them for making lazy people look like what they are: lazy useless people who want the same benefits for doing less.
over the past couple of years i have turned away recruiters and interview offers from google because the level of extreme diversity rhetoric from google made me fearful for the true equity of the environment.
this news confirms for me that had i gone to work for them i would very likely have been a victim of this positive descrimination overkill.
it’s nice to know that i dodged the bullet of such a noxious environment.
thanks!
really
What exactly is that privilege I have? That my chance to die earlier are higher? That my chance to die at a workplace related accident are higher? What exactly is that privilege everyone talks about?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Do you always suck your own dick? Please stop it. It's gross!
— the pathetic living punchline that is impersonating gerald butler
This does not answer the question. Please answer the question.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
There is no answer to that question, because it's a fabrication.
White men are the black women of the new century.
a flabby fat fuck like you ain't ending anyone
One person could be a better "Level 4 Software Engineer"
SWE Level is a well defined set of responsibilities, and not a measure of individual performance.
Pay is a range within a level. At Google, your performance will affect your pay. More importantly, your performance and experience affect promotion. That can lead your out of L4 and into L5. (L4 and L5 are equivalent to senior software engineer, L6 and beyond start moving into key roles with significantly more responsibility)
I can see how that is entirely possible due to how effeminate those male goolge employees are.
No, the point is that to reach "diversity" goals we should be discriminating against men.
And how many Marxist Republicans do you know?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
That is privilege, don't you know?
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Don't forget the privilege to own everything and then be blamed when anything goes wrong.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Finally something the red pilled incel losers can come together and support!
Google Translate cannot figure out what you said.
Can you repost in english language?
Before you complain, verify the results, that's what I did with a simple google search.
If you can't trust the alphabet who can you trust?
No brain, no pain.
If you don't like "white society" go back to Africa.
I'm sure they'll be more tolerate and inclusive of your progressive views.
You don't say...
I guess I'll use it as the stfu-question for the extreme leftists now. Just like I use "define a kind" on the bible bullshit peddlers.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The rest of the story goes on to state that a lawsuit was filed in 2017 against Google claiming that women disproportionately fill more lower level jobs at Google than men do. If men were underpaid, Google takes the position into account when Google determined that. This doesn't necessarily mean that Google is biased one way or the other. However, just because Google gave pay raises to men does not mean that Google was treating men unfairly overall. It's just as likely if not more so that Google treated women unfairly by keeping them in lower level jobs. Statistics and the big picture matter.
It's really how well you negotiate at hiring and how well you 'befriend' the decision makers once you're working (aka networking). Especially in bigger companies, even if you are a high performer but pretty much shielded from the rest of the organisation inside your group, you can count on higher-ups taking credit for your accomplishments. In that situation, the only recourse is to threaten to leave in order to get a raise (and that's pretty much a toxic environment).
I'd say in general that these days it's quite hard to find a job. With websites like https://uk.jobsora.com/ it's a bit easier but still, you need to be a good specialist to get a well-paid job. And that's why I am working so hard on education.
I was busy giving the tool to your Mom. She said she never had such a satisfying fuck. She said that every time you try to fuck her, your tiny widdle pee-pee won't penetrate her because it lacks the necessary girth, length, and rigidity. She said you end up rubbing one out on a Kleenex and then swallowing said tissue. Nasty!
Also, when I was finished satisfying your Mom, I pounded your sister until she screamed in exhilaration! She said you routinely try to incestuously rape her, but, that she refuses you and you go in the corner and cry while beating yourself off with padded tweezers! Stop trying to rape your sister! Also, stop raping and molesting children you sick fuck!
You're dismissed!
— the pathetic living punchline that is impersonating gerald butler