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Samsung's $2,000 Galaxy Fold Units Are Failing Left and Right With Disastrous Display Issues (androidpolice.com)
Four Samsung Galaxy Fold review units in the hands of major US tech journalists all experienced device-breaking display failures today. AndroidPolice: Steve Kovach of CNBC, Mark Gurman of Bloomberg, and Dieter Bohn of The Verge have reported major failures of their phones' display panels, just two days after receiving them. To say this is a disaster for Samsung is probably underselling it. Well-known YouTuber MKBHD claims to be having similar problems, but hasn't posted any images. Bohn and Kovach claim their displays failed without removing the panel's protective film (Samsung says not to take it off), but both Gurman and Brownlee did. The company has yet to begin shipping the device to consumers. So far it has only handed the phone to select journalists, most of whom reported issue with it today.
...they do not catch fire!
Thank you Steve Jobs. Thank you!!!
The Fold is literally failing left and right [both left and right screens] and figuratively left and right.
and not to fold them
New, gimmicky tech? Surely its bulletproof right?
I saw a few Twtter users partially blaming themselves for removing a protective film that Samsung says you are not supposed to remove...
For one thing, if it was a layer that users should be removing, don't make it removable like the screen protectors most other phones ship with.
Secondly, there's no way removing that film would have helped since it seems like failures are often coming from stuff trapped in the hinges that bulges outward into the screen? Regardless screens should not fail so quickly because a protective film is removed.
I'm having trouble visualizing how these failures happen though, one tweet I saw said something got trapped in the hinge and bulged outward. How could anything get trapped in a hinge that would do that though? Folded the hinge is on the outside, unfolding it just opens the two halves up, I don't see how it could apply mechanical pressure to the screen from the back...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Are they holding it wrong?
Just make the bezel thin in the middle. A gap is perfectly fine.
You could even have the border pixels' light go a diagonal path and the bezel made out of some fiberoptic wires next to each other.
I, for one, still like the Nokia N900/N950 design the most.
A keyboard for blind typing on the *back* would be even better though.
Provided it wasn't designed so stupid you couldn't hold it anymore.
You're folding it wrong.
I'll let myself out...
If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
Ooops.. Wrong manufacturer.. Sorry. .
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Indeed, I folded my Tesla with no issues.
Thanks for both explaining it, and providing a dictionary link! The joke is already inherently hilarious, but when you over-explain it, it becomes even funnier!
Looking at your post history, you are quite the comedian! All these hilarious zingers! Slashdot is the wrong place for you, you should be on a comedy tour!
-- Steve Jobs
Yes, they appear to have come up with a very novel solution that problem: they make sure the screen fails more rapidly than the battery.
They were holding it wrong?
TL;DR
You've got to know when to hold 'em ( Apple antenna)
Know when to fold 'em (samsung disaster phone)
Know when to walk away (Apple to Qualcom)
And know when to run ( intel 5G)
You never count your money ( Lyft stock price)
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
n/t
looking for a purpose.
lol
Thanks, I'll be here all week. Try the meatloaf.
I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!
Who would have guessed that the first foldable screens would not be ready for prime-time, rushed out as they were in desperate hope of being the next killer feature to drive up plummeting smartphone sales?
Velociraptor = Distiraptor / Timeraptor
Does anyone really think a foldable color touch-screen was a good idea? For this to fail before it was even shipped to customers would be no surprise at all.
Bruce Perens.
Seriously, only a masochist would buy an early adopter version of a flexible phone display tech. I actually like Samsung and consider them among the better vendors, there was no way this was going to work out cleanly.
Cheap plastic smartphone ain't gonna be my satnav, music and video controller for plex/youtube/netflix/etc or give me access to various servers I need to SSH in to.
Are you suggesting I keep a laptop with me at all times?
I fail to see any way I'm better off without a smartphone, so if you could elaborate that would be fantastic. Please note I don't use any social media so don't start spouting that bollocks as any part of your argument.
Cheers.
Quick; say something stupid.
Bendy phones, walled gardens, holding it wrong.... it's only a problem when it's from Cupertino. So this will be a two day news story, like when Samsung had to recall an entire phone model because the batteries were blowing up and starting on fire.
Sometimes being early to the market is better than being good. I remember early Amazon would foul up my orders left and right*. That's "better" business-wise, not necessarily for early consumers.
Early buyers are essentially unwitting beta testers. To be fair, most probably knew the risk with the folding concept. It's first-on-the-block syndrome for status. Flaw risk is secondary for such people.
* I intentionally didn't try with anything expensive.
Table-ized A.I.
Oops.
What else could possibly go wrong?
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Five models of Samsung phones on the first page alone. But like Samsung having to recall an entire line of bomb phones due to faulty battery design, this will be a two day story. Because it's not Apple.
I wonder if it's possible to copy and paste the entire bible in a single post.
Cheap plastic smartphone ain't gonna be my satnav, music and video controller for plex/youtube/netflix/etc or give me access to various servers I need to SSH in to.
You're doing it wrong then.
So the prior burning ones "failed centrally"?
Middly? That sounds bigly wrong.
Table-ized A.I.
Explain.
Reports are now coming in that if you rotate them into landscape mode they will start failing top and bottom instead.
Samsung's already filed for 73 patents in this new and innovative market segment.
You're special forces then? That's great! I just love your olympics!
Although I am not the original poster, and I am definitely not denying smart phones have legitimate advantages. They also have disadvantages, not being connected all the time is a good thing as well, not knowing that an issue has occurred until you come into work takes away stress. Having to talk to people, instead of taking the easy route and just playing with your phone the moment you get bored. Sometimes getting lost and exploring your environment. Talking to people is a much better way of communicating that text message.
Whatever.
Kool-aid much?
Step 1: convince people smartphones were more convenient due to their size, so that all content gets shifted to assuming mobile
Step2: gradually increase screen size while dramatically increasing price, until the size is so big you have to fold it in half to put it in your pocket, and the price is substantially more than a laptop of equal power
Step3: ???
Step4: profit!
I have a fold-able device that works well, it's called a laptop. Has an even bigger screen than this thing! And is much better at content consumption, while being exponentially better at content creation.
I wish I could gloat about predicting this, but pretty much every other armchair mechanical engineer predicted this.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
Seriously, did anyone with any common sense think these things were going to work out first try? We're not even at the point where display tech can take a decent drop and not fail or crack. I know OLEDs are supposed to be more durable but asking a screen to take god know's how many fold and unfolds a day on top of the other abuse phones take throughout a day and survive as long a modern phone does (and many don't last more than a couple years as it is)
They should really just call something like this "early access" for hardware and let people know what they're getting. I think folding screen tech will be really interesting and useful, but we are least 2 or 3 more generations from it being everyday ready.
It took courage to release this thing. OK it's not quite right yet but they'll learn a lot about how stupid and clumsy people can be. The next model will be great.
and don't forget to tip your waitress
Onely and donely and finely. Oogily dutily. Thats the way the grammar nazi rolls. Still here.
Folding screens is just the latest pseudo-feature manufacturers are trying to hype into the market because they've run out of actual features they're willing to build.
How could you try with anything expensive? Amazon only sold books in the early period, and books aren't especially expensive.
"Quick; say something stupid."
OK, Bin Laden had the means and opportunity from a cave in Afghanistan. And Larry Silverstein's insurance policy isn't a good motive. I knowz cuz duh gubmint sez so.
How was that? AE911Truth Org
It's a new personal electronics device. Why wasn't it first passed out to Samsung employees for real world tests? That could have saved them a whole lotta bad press. If, as it seems, the technology just isn't ready for prime time, they could have quietly canceled the project. Too late now.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
> I wonder if it's possible to copy and paste the entire bible in a single post.
Perhaps more practical is to copy and paste one book of the bible per post.
Or one chapter per post! That would be over 1100 posts, each of non-trivial length.
But then you would need to find a site worthy of such treatment -- like Conservapedia.
And a bot to fetch the chapters from some site such as biblegateway or other.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
Samsung engineers are pretty good in most cases. But the best engineers cannot build good products when management does not listen. That was at the root of the exploding phones by Samsung and it is very likely at the root of this problem now. Seems Samsung management has (as is customary) learned nothing.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
TL;DR: it's the Unabomber manifesto.
Middly? That sounds bigly wrong.
It's failing "equidistantly from the edges". :)
Or midpoint, midway, etc etc.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
books aren't expensive
Ever been to college?
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Having to talk to people, instead of taking the easy route and just playing with your phone the moment you get bored.
On the other hand that behavior has made it much easier to tell when somebody (especially women) are not worth wasting your time on.
Lol you're taking trolling way back.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
...you're just folding it wrong.
You mean the Galaxy Note 7? Sales of those crashed and burned :)
Had a bunch of machines folding and unfolding the phones. Said they would last for over 200,000 folds. Wonder if these are the ones they gave to reviewers LOL.
Thank you.
fuck the folding :|
[($)]
Didn't Apple show what happens when employees leave prototypes lying around?
The devices must have gone through thousands and thousands of hours, but as soon as they hit the hands of American journalists...... very odd to say the least. I think this is intentional, to hit a foreign manufacturer, and repeat the over-dramatized battery issues of the past.
Cheap plastic smartphone ain't gonna be my satnav, music and video controller for plex/youtube/netflix/etc or give me access to various servers I need to SSH in to.
Did you mean to say "Cheap plastic dumbphone"? A cheap plastic smartphone certainly can do all this for you.
Given that you can buy a very capable and powerful smartphone for about £150, I'm baffled why people spend nearly 10 times that for one which offers practically nothing extra.
The really major advantage of a £150 phone is that you can drop it down a well with no more concern than a brief "Oh shit!", and just order another one and have it delivered the following day. I would really hate to walk around with a £1000 phone in my pocket.
He stopped Huawai from selling them to you.
TL;DR: it's the Unabomber manifesto.
He's a nasty, murdering little Nazi cunt who failed in everything he ever did and is guaranteed to die a virgin, so I understand his appeal to Slashdotters.
severe case of gadgetitis here! :))))
Feels like the world would be a better place if more leftards had Jesus (not their Mexican fuck boy) in their life.
You mean like in the dark ages? Such fun times.
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Even if the displays didn't go on the fritz, the plastic would scratch, warp, crease or crack. The only saving grace for Samsung is their display is on the inside so at least it's moderately protected. I bet Huawei's on-the-outside screen will suffer even worse in the real world.
Quick; say something stupid.
Hyperloop is definitely going to work.
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Explain.
Apparently what you want to be doing is carrying around a whole bunch of shit instead of one thing that can do it all. Who knew?
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Although I am not the original poster, and I am definitely not denying smart phones have legitimate advantages. They also have disadvantages, not being connected all the time is a good thing as well, not knowing that an issue has occurred until you come into work takes away stress.
There's nothing inherent about smartphones that mean they HAVE to be connected all the time. If you have a regular dumb phone you can still get the text messages and phone calls and probably emails. You're just as connected. Just don't install facebook and all that shit or at least turn off notifications.
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What I was expecting was the usual from Samsung: another explosive product. Well, I guess that Samsung is not a company on fire, after all. After this, people are probably not burning with anticipation any more.
...sometimes you bleed.
Face it, You've got a hardon for Jesus**, God boy.
**Excellent track by The Dandy Warhols BTW
I was unaware he belonged to the National Socialist Party of Germany. I'm a bit confused by the link, as murdering cunt fits him properly, but I guess I don't know everything.
...maybe they need to make this screen out of Gorilla Skin? Gorilla Paper? Gorilla Tyvek?
That first suggestion would crash and burn just on the mental imagery alone...
Wow u mad bro
Back around 2002-2004. Some of the Pavilions.
While it wasn't a 'foldable screen' like this example, it had the same sort of flaw. The display frame edge was rigid while the whole frame could flex the length of the screen. Long story short, if you caught the *CABLE* from a set of quality headphones (the round, slightly thicker and harder pvc ones, not the cheap soft rubble seperate line cables like the walkman knockoff headphones have), you could shatter the screen with just the force of the latch closing itself. Furthermore given 2-4 years of usage, even if you didn't break the screen that way, it flexed the screen enough for the in-display connections to break causing a bright red line along whatever address failed, at first intermittently and then permanently as the screen was flexed further opening and closing.
There is a reason we don't have soft screens, narrow bezels, or flexible parts surrounding our displays. For all but the thinnest and most robust materials doing so leads to the rapid destruction of the material as it is deformed or fatigued past any possible material limits. While it is certainly possible we can engineer a material that can withstand these kinds of abuses, as these devices indicate the technology has not reached maturity and these are simply gimmicks to try and keep increasing profit in an already oversaturated device market.
Battery charges in about 35 minutes!
Discharges in about 8 hours of non-use tho.
-OldUncleHo