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S.u.S.E 6.2 English released
josepha48 writes "I just found out that SuSE 6.2 is released. Check out the latest details in English It has X 3.3.4 and kernel 2.2.10. " Release schedule looks like 18th for English, tomorrow for French, and Italian/Spanish on the 24th of August.
where y is even: stable kernel
where y is odd: development kernel
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Er, 6.1 is on their ftp site, with an ISO image; see for exeample mirror ats use/i386/evaluation-6.1.iso
http://sunsite.org.uk/Mirrors/ftp.suse.com/pub/
I dont know what the difference between the evaluation version and the normal one is, presumably all the commercial software on it.
$ insmod toaster.o /dev/ts0 /mnt/toaster
/dev/ts0: Error: toaster on fire. Suggest emergency eject. /dev/ts0
/dev/ts0: Toaster in use, ejection lever locked. /mnt/toaster /dev/ts0 not responding, possibly on fire. /dev/ts0 is still mounted.
ToastMaster detected. Installing toast-1.1 module.
$ mount
$ eject
$ umount
Error:
$ rmmod toaster.o
Cannot unload module.
Aaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeee! :)
-- Excerpted from Digital Screams: Why I Hate the Transistor, by Joh'omme Diwaand, pub. 2137 by Retro Press.
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
If you aren't a 100% web based company, the effect of your homepage to your business is negligible. I like SuSE's homepage, I know where to find what and don't have to search through a design which changes every two days.
:-)
Don't let this become a RH vs. SuSE thread.
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I just purchased the previous SuSE package a couple days ago. Monday evening, to be exact. And two days later, they announce the next package. Is this all a covert trick to aggravate me?
Oh well, life sucks, just have to keep going on.
Oh, and for anyone who's not familiar with it, I'd say that SuSE installs pretty darn easily. Considering it was the first time I'd installed Linux and I managed to do it without too much effort. Still tailoring the details however (like getting sound).
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"You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do."
Of course, this is (AFAIK) quite possibly the best Linux distro ever, since it contains some really cool software right there on the CD. Darn, that's a nice feeling! Hm, time to switch out my 3-year old patchwork Slackware? Naah... ;^)
main(O){10<putchar(4^--O?77-(15&5128 >>4*O):10)&&main(2+O);}
Please be more specific than "suse sucks". I happen to like it very much for it's not-so-steep learning-curve and the wealth of programs on the 6 CDs.
OK, yast may not be everybody's taste. But I know from personal experience that it really comes in handy if you're a newbie without a clue. You can always turn off yast's hooks and edit any configuration file manually.
I really like SuSE's packet selection program, it doesn't overwhelm you with a hard-to-use interface (unlike Debian) while it still gives you all the proper information (unlike RedHat).
Read the README which is in the same directory as yast on the installation cd (can also be found on ftp servers which carry ftp.suse.com).
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They have 6.1 on their ftp site, or you can do an install over ftp (never tried that). Generally they seem to lag a bit on getting the latest and greatest up there. And they don't have ISO images of the whole distrib (which kinda ticks me off). I have a subscription to SuSE, so I'll get it fairly soon, but my ADSL is 80 KBs so I might as well get some use out of it right?
I must say that $35 for 1 years subscription (translates to 3 or 4 shipments) beats the hell out of $80 bucks for redhat. Crikey.
The evaluation version is just a cut down version of the distrib, still has X and a lot of other things, but yeah I think you're right about it having no commercial stuff on it. Still it was the eval version that sucked me into SuSE. SaX is great.
They have 6.1 on their ftp site, or you can do an install over ftp (never tried that). Generally they seem to lag a bit on getting the latest and greatest up there. And they don't have ISO images of the whole distrib (which kinda ticks me off). I have a subscription to SuSE, so I'll get it fairly soon, but my ADSL is 80 KBs so I might as well get some use out of it right?
I must say that $35 for 1 years subscription (translates to 3 or 4 shipments) beats the hell out of $80 bucks for redhat. Crikey.
This has to be the single most perverse AC stunt I've ever seen. It'll take what, 11 moderator points to bang it down? Jesus.
Nice job, though. ^_^
Give Bill Gates a kiss for me.
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You could do some kind of trick to get the whole thing
-download the evaluation-iso (currently only 6.1)
-install it
-download the whole ftp-distro here
- tell yast to take the downloaded ftp-distro as installation-source
i didn't try it
There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who don't.
Mein gott! I am so confused. Next you will tell me that there's better Chinese character support in yet another distro!
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;-)
At last, some non-RH news
Will in Seattle
So why didn't you just get it through cheapbytes, instead of wasting our time?
Then we could have just ignored you.
Will in Seattle
Memory leak in the TCP code, and another in the rtl8139 driver.
I ate something that disagreed with me. Maybe I should have cooked him first.
One example is at LinuxMall.
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
And Linus uses SuSE on his home machine[0], what's your point? Free clue: all the distro's are built from the same basic code base; it doesn't matter who works where.
/., and a few times elsewhere (interviews, etc).
[0]: I've seen this at least once on
Oops. Insufficiently verbose. The aforementioned bugs are in 2.2.11; this means it's a good idea to either downgrade, or wait a couple of days for 2.2.12
I ate something that disagreed with me. Maybe I should have cooked him first.
Hmmmm. I see mentions of subscriptions on SuSE's (English) site, but their ordering page doesn't seem to list subscriptions as an option -- just their assorted one-time-purchase packages. Odd. Perhaps that's just lagging a bit?
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
Do you really want your linux to be a "breeze"? Linux/Unix is difficult stuff. And you must learn to keep your head above water. I know GUI tools make things easier, but isn't it nice to know how your system works under the hood? I'd rather tweak config files myself...you?
Perhaps try debian. It is not a breeze, but quite useful and well designed. Also the users are quite friendly on irc.openports.net #debian
Feel free to look me up for advice or good conversation. My handle is 'santa'
hmmm ... note that I was explicitly comparing the official versions, and anyhow, surprise surprise you can get GPL SuSE from various sources, e.g. www.linuxmall.com for the same price. I note that cheapbytes doesn't do that, but then don't get fooled into thinking they're the only source for cheap linux CDs. And you can download SuSE too, so it's all even.
Oh, and SuSE sells support too.
"Oh, I hope he doesn't give us halyatchkies," said Heinrich.
I cannot understand why anyone would pay for linux. It is free software. Why buy something when you can get it for free... or really cheap from cheapbytes. I would pay for Myth 2, or starcraft, but not stuff i can download or pay a nominal fee for.
disclaimer - I am a student and $60 is a weeks worth of groceries.
Mr. Gates, The time you spend crapping on linux could be used much better to make Winblows 2000 come out before 2001 rolls around.
Not your business. But SuSE have same level of
Chinese character support as RH.
You don't have to use Yast if you don't like it. Just install Linuxconf or hack the files yourself.
The best thing about SuSE is the quality and sheer number of the included packages, as well as the SaX XFree setup tool (GPL'd, in case you're interested).
And YaST's license is no big deal either. Source is available, modifiable, distributable.
You just have to ask if you want to sell it for more than the media cost (so the 2$ CD's are usually OK). Thats nothing else than with mySQL or the Cyrus IMAP server.
I did not exactly say what was printed but it is close. Must be the editor. Tis ok.
Although I do not use SuSE it is always interesting to see what they are doing . I have tried them, and was disappointed that they have an evaluation version which differs from what is at there ftp site. In fact that turned me off from them right there. If it is at there ftp site, they should allow you to burn images of from ftp to cd IMHO. SuSE has a little list of what can be included for companies like linuxmall and linuxcentral. Thus for those of us who do not have large bandwidth connections (read 28.8 like me) getting a cdrom is always better but in this case does not include all of what is at there ftp site. Yes I could buy official distro, but then I also know that later this year they will probably have another distro out and spending $100 a year is no fun.
Redhat at least lets companies download what is at there ftp site and burn to cdrom, and that is also how Mandrake came about.
Yes SuSE is a bit easier to install than RH, but not that much.
I have tried both SUSE and RH and will stick with Redhat for now until SUSE lightens up there ftp cdrom burning practices.
so don't bash RH cause you don't like them, as they do contribute back to the community, more so than SUSE.
Only 'flamers' flame!
Redhat is full of clueful hackers? Guess you haven't read BugTraq for the past couple years.
...agree with you more. let's make this a Debian vs. SuSE thread. 8)
(* Debian is a truly free ditribution that puts GNU into Linux and will be embracing the egcs compiler with the upcoming 2.2 (potato) release.)
i admit it, i never used SuSE, could someone tell me what the package selection there is and how is it so nice? i have heard people rave about it, but i myself enjoy installing/removing packages with dselect. so why is SuSE better? and i don't care about the ease of system installation because after doing it once with debian and once with redhat i learned that following correct instructions will almost always result in a working machine.
tia, mike
I was thinking of how to intentionally fail my drug test... It would make a good memoir story someday.
Other people report similar problems. I wouldn't run 2.2.11 (nor -ac*) on any production system.
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AFAIK Linus uses RedHat but it doesn't really matter.
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Umm, the last time I checked, anybody could go to ftp.suse.com and download it. My first SuSE was a cheapbytes CD. It cost the same as a RH CD, a Slackware CD, a Mandrake CD, a Debian CD.
/*flame suit on*/
In your efforts to discredit SuSE, you discredited yourself.
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You are right. But it very stupid to base ones business on assumption of others being decent enough to support it.This is the one part I have hard time understanding in all that free-software world.
I want it to be a breeze.
I started using Slackware in '93 (IIRC) and learned *all* about doing things by hand. I still prefer compiling new software than blindly installing downloaded RPMs. After an install my packages slowly get replaced with new versions compiled by me.
I know how to edit an XF86Config file. When I first started using X I kept forgetting how to install X and I hand wrote my file using the man page and the howto for references. It obviously took a while.
I know how it all works. I now use SaX. It does most everything doing it from scratch can do, but in less time. So now I generate one from SaX and make a couple of minimal changes. Changes most people don't care about.
YaST is a godsend. It does most things intelligently. If you hand edit a file, it'll detect that and save any changes in a file called filename.SuSEConfig so that you can compare the two and make changes yourself. Network setup is real easy. It took a while for me to generate config files for two NICs and masquerading on Slackware by hand, but I backed them up for subsequent installs. I thought about writing a program to automate all of this. Then I found SuSE. It turns out to be exactly what I wanted to do, but on a much larger scale.
Personally, I'd rather spend my time writing programs to do new stuff than fool around doing stuff I no longer need to do anymore.
I tried Debian twice. Why does it take so long to configure packages after install? And why do most of them fail? Most of the time it doesn't tell you why. If the packages aren't going to work, I might as well install Slackware again and compile everything from scratch. Fortunately, the SuSE packages have a very high success-rate.
Actually, if you're pushing Debian from a "hard-to-use, you'll-learn-a-lot" perspective, you should probably be pushing Slackware instead.
is that I had just bought OSS sound a few ...
months before and then I realized that it
came free with SuSE. S.H.I.T.
I've been playing with my 6.1 distribution and I've noticed that they stick the OSS sound drivers in the SuSEd kernel. I've got a Trident 4DWave DX soundcard in my machine right now - which is only supported under ALSA I think.
Is ALSA on the CD's somewhere? Can I patch it in without killing the kernel?
Hang on SuSEy, SuSEy hang on... Whoa too many egg mcmuffins this morning...
Kernel 2.2.10 got some serious bugs in it
2.2.11 is a much better one, and you can download it from SuSE web pages quite easily
Hetz (Heunique)
So they are shipping with an old kernel and a unstable version of X both with known deficiencies. So are they going to be true to SuSE form and forward all bug reports in their known-to-be-buggy software to the XFree team and the kernel list? Maybe they can get XFree to stop doing unstable releases instead of just closing their development tree.
In fact, I had 2.2.11 running with SuSE 6.1 and after SuSE 6.2 installed its 2.2.10, all I had to do was to remove the soft-link to their kernel-sources and replace it with the one I had before. make dep bzlilo modules modules_install, and I had a perfectly running SuSE 6.2 based on kernel 2.2.11. No "nasties", no problems.
BTW, I have no idea why everybody keeps insisting that SuSE will only work with a SuSE-modified kernel. The only time I have a SuSE-kernel installed is right after a SuSE-upgrade. The next boot already happens with a standard kernel from kernel.org. Again, no "nasties", no problems.
SuSE is quite good for the newbie. It got a great manual shipped with it, not to talk about the cds full of programs. YaST is a great tool when you want to install Linux to a computer with no cd-rom attached.
The hype about SuSE only running with SuSE-Kernels is all LIES! I installed a SuSE 6.0 and upgraded to 2.0.37 from kernel.org. It booted without any flaws.
AFAIK the only difference in the SuSE-Kernel is the added support for ISDN but I'm no expert.
The downside with SuSE is, that the scripts are very stuffed and almost unreadable to a newbie. With this, you could say, a Slackware is better for the newbie... =:-)
CU, Ventilator
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sorry, my bad.
i'm just too lazy to begin to describe why i dislike suse. now i don't want to start a war more than i already have, so let's just say that i've grown up with redhat and that's the way i like it.
i got a copy of suse 6.1, and i felt that i wasted my money. sure it comes with cool stuff like word perfect and sax, but over all i disliked the way is ran. i don't like yast, and i just didn't like it over all. i gave it a fair trial and it failed.
is that better?
I really liked my SuSE 6.1 install but I switched to OL 2.2 after trying it. It doesn't have that incredible software library that is so easy to install, *sigh* and OL seems to be a little less "snappy" but it is so slick. Won't appeal to the hard core but any newbie will love it. Choice is good!
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Assuming that you are sincere in what you say, you do realize that any real support you get will be above and beyond the price of the software, and if you really think you can sue Microsoft, trying reading the disclaimer's all over your NT cd's.
Furthermore, excuse me for stating the obvious, but companies like Red Hat and Linux Care offer "traditional" support, but the informal support of the highly intelligent Linux community is unbeatible. Oh yeah, if you find any really bugs in your NT software and Microsoft pays attention, you can pay for the bug fix in the next "upgrade".
Linux Rules!
No, that would go to Slackware. That's why slackware is still in libc5 land (which will change RSN, Slack5 is nearing beta readiness).
It is common to ship Linux with the latest stable kernel, unless there are *real* showstoppers.
I would call the file corruption bug a ``showstopper.'' Perhaps SuSE isn't on the linux kernel-dev mailing list. They should be. SuSE has also shipped a snapshot version of XFree in the past, and instead of telling users to upgrade to a stable version when X had problems, they forwarded bug reports to the XF86 group. That is why XF86 development is no longer open (IE, you can't get to the in-development source trees). Now they are using 3.3.4... which (in the release notice... which you would think SuSE people would read before throwing it in the distribution) has been declared to be an intermediate, non-production-quality release.
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Slashdot reader since 1997
I know GUI tools make things easier, but isn't it nice to know how your system works under the hood?
ummmm, yast is not a GUI tool. I think it's ncurses based. As for SAX, what's wrong with using a GUI tool to configure a GUI? I think that makes sense personally. And the othere CLI tools for setting up x are still there. You can write you're XF86Config file by hand if you want, I'll use SAX.
well, before start your lawsuits, (you must be American...), think about this: wouldn't you have rather been able to SOLVE your problem and not need to get lawyers involved?
.. and Did they solve your problem?
p sychics.html
Searching dejanews, I've been able to find answers to almost every linux question I've ever had.
So... how many times have *you* called Micros~1 support? How long did you wait? How much did you pay?
the following answers don't count as "solving your problem"
- you need to reboot
- you need to reinstall all of your software
- you need to upgrade to our beta version
check out the following for an interesting MS support story:
http://epoch.cs.berkeley.edu:8000/~mct/funny/ms
Have you been drinking?
Sober up a bit and on your next blue screen
or when you are bitching that this shit is
at 100% usage for no valid reason your memory
will come back and you may realize that Linux
could do a much better job than that useless
shit.
Umm, no subject, no body, no nothing.
Why does slash allow null comments to be posted?
i personally have made the decision that suse sucks. that is my opinion, sorry for sharing it. it was early in the day when i sent this out. woops, my bad. i have had several of my co-workers who are redhat users say the same thing i did: that suse sucks in their opinion.
take things people say with a grain of salt. all of you.
They got Alan Cox, and many of the other kick-ass kernel developers. Red Hat has much better/harder core hackers than SuSE.
Oh really? Do Names like Andrea Arcangeli (Kernel), Jaroslav Kysela (ALSA), Andre Hedrick (IDE), Kurt Garloff (SCSI), Thorsten Kukuk (NIS, glibc) or Andreas Schwab (glibc) sound familiar to you? They all work for SuSE...
Bye, LenZ
Yes, I want my Linux to be a breeze with potential for a hurricane. Since I still consider myself a newbie, the YaST approach appeals big time to me. I don't want to have to swap back to Win98 (necessary due to crappy HW) everytime I need to find a new config file or do something else a bit more complicated. By and by, I get into the more advanced tasks --- and SuSE allows for that *as well*, apart from being **really** nice to the newbies!!
The fact that I was introduced to Linux in a village just outside Nuremburg has biased me.
-- Exile Who do you want to be tomorrow
If their evaluation version is the same that they let german newspapers distribute --- then it's quite ok but **clearly** on the small side; doesn't even have the fortune cookie generator!!
I have SuSE 5.3 and thought I'd get a good deal when upgrading to 6.1 with one of these magazine-cds. Result: since 5.3 is libc5 and 6.1 glibc2, most of my applications went dead... luckily I discovered it when I installed the whole shaboom on a friend's computer; he wanted to discover it a bit and got a (partly) working SuSE with the advice of buying himself the distribution asap...
Now I'm just waiting for my next salary so that I finally can enter the world of glibc2 myself...
(SuSE 5.3 can run glibc2 programs, but that hack seems to be above my abilities...)
-- Exile Who do you want to be tomorrow
> A graphical login including the gnome environment
Umm.... I'm not totally certain as of what you mean by including gnome, but AFAIK I can start up gnome from kdm on my SuSE 5.3 (sic!)...
-- Exile Who do you want to be tomorrow
Everything comes out first in the German version (because they are a german company). Then they generally do either english/international version simulaneously. Or as in this case, release the english second and the rest slightly after that.
I like SuSE quite a bit, very easy to use. The SAX x configurator is miles better than what I was used to with slackware. I also like that the CD has everything and the kitchen sink. It's definitely not a light weight distrib (i.e. don't use it to put your toaster on the net) But a very good workstation IMHO.
It's here.
;^)
How could you dare to think there is something that's not on the SUSE CDs
BTW, SuSE has hired the main ALSA developer and hosts the project homepage.
So I guess they will be the driving force behind ALSA in the future...
....I was led to believe the even-numbered kernel releases were to be treated as beta, so am rather surprised to see the 2.2.10 kernel released as part of the SuSE 6.2 distro. Does this no longer apply, or are SuSE being a little irresponsible?
"Cake or death!" (E. Izzard)
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I was wondering, will they have this distribution on there ftp site? I know they have the evaluation version of 6.1, what is the evaulation version? No commercial apps, or is there some limited usage or what?
=) Sounds neat, I've been using Redhat and Mandrake for two years, it'd be enlightening to try a different distribution. Does anyone have any pointers to a high speed site with ISO images ready for burning? I know one great thing about Mandrake is that they eagerly provide it to you.
Thanks in advance for any pointers
even-numbered means it is stable. much better than shipping with the unstable odd-numbered versions. 8)
I was thinking of how to intentionally fail my drug test... It would make a good memoir story someday.
I just looked at the XFree86.org page, they say if you want the latest stable release to grab the newest 3.3.x. I believe the pre-4.0 is their development tree.
I got a email from them on the 16th saying that it was shipping that day. I had pre ordered it. I think suse is soooo much better than RedHat.
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Second number is release - even is stable, odd is development
Third number is patch level - bug fixes, etc...
So this is a stable release (and the current development release is 2.3.x).
No, you've made the decision that suse sucks *for you*. That doesn't mean it's not a good choice for someone else, and without siting something other than aesthetic purposes for the dislike, you're destroying your own credibility.
Thanks it worked! Damn, it getting very hard to complain about driver support these days, no?
you idiot... i *said* that i feel it stinks. i said it was *my* opinion, i said "i personally have made the decision that suse sucks. that is my opinion, sorry for sharing it." and once again, sorry for sharing it. i like the way redhat runs better than i do suse. that's all the reason i need. how am i destroying my credibility by saying i don't like the aesthetics? that is a prefectly fine reason for saying i dislike suse. think before you speak.
Here here...SuSe have got some of the greatest hacks working for them...i dont know much about RH...but the soon to be multinational wouldnt mind killing every other Linux distro on the face of the earth...only to leave themselves standing in the rubble
Just for the record: a "steep learning curve" is a good thing for learning: how much knowledge you have is plotted against time in a learning curve, so the steeper, the faster you learn. Not that this matters, it's like "hacker/cracker" in the mainstream media, but I felt pedantic today.
Just to keep on-topic: I find SuSE is pretty easy to administrate, and the fact that it comes with a buttload of software and is waaaay cheaper than official redhat is also a goodmaking feature. If you're a "nothing but GPL" fan, though, I suppose it might not be for you.
To the original poster: "suse sucks" != "I tried it and found it worked differently than redhat" Saying it sucks makes it sound like you have a reason for disliking it that anyone else should agree is valid for them; but you don't.
"Oh, I hope he doesn't give us halyatchkies," said Heinrich.
Every software has "nasties" in it.
If you refer to the fs corruption bug which was first in 2.2.10 kernels, I don't think that was found already (therefore it's not fixed in 2.2.11). Additionally, 2.2.11 has some leaks in the TCP code. Some people reported crashes after two days due to high network traffic.
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